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Federer's record in deciding match tiebreaks

andy neyer
04-01-2010, 05:10 AM
Hey. This is my first thread on the forum. I was thinking about Federer's record in deciding tiebreaks so I looked it up and finally made a thread about it. Although there's not really a point for all this, I thought I was kind of interesting.

Federer has played a total of 37 matches which have been decided in tiebreaks. He's won 21 of them and lost 16.

In 19 of those 21 matches won, Federer has won more points than his rival, in one he won just as many points (Halle 2006 vs. Rochus) and in the remaining one he actually won more points than his rival (Basel 2001 vs Lleyton).

In 9 of the 16 matches lost, Federer has also won more points than his rivals. In 2, he has won just as many points (strangely enough, those 2 are the last ones against Berdych and Marcos). So, Federer has actually lost more points than his rival in only 5 of those 16 lost matches.



R--------------vs. Player------------Ranking-----------Score--------------Year-----Tourney----% points won

R32 Guillaume*Raoux*(FRA) 71 W*6-7(4), 7-5, 7-6(3) 1999 rotterdam 51,79%

R16 Jerome*Golmard*(FRA) 63 W*6-7(6), 7-6(5), 7-6(5) 1999 marseille 50,42%

F Marc*Rosset*(SUI) 77 L*6-2, 3-6, 6-7(5) 2000 marseille 49,44%

Q Ivan*Ljubicic*(CRO) 69 W*6-2, 3-6, 7-6(5) 2000 marseille 53,13%

S Lleyton*Hewitt*(AUS) 9 W*6-4, 5-7, 7-6(6) 2000 basel 49,78%

F Nicolas*Escude*(FRA) 60 L*5-7, 6-3, 6-7(5) 2001 rotterdam 50,22%

R16 Thomas*Johansson*(SWE) 25 W*7-6(3), 5-7, 7-6(7) 2001 miami 50,61%

R32 Marat*Safin*(RUS) 2 W*4-6, 6-4, 7-6(5) 2001 rome 50,59%

R64 Thomas*Johansson*(SWE) 24 W*7-6(3), 4-6, 7-6(5) 2001 rome 51,32%

Q Patrick*Rafter*(AUS) 10 L*6-4, 6-7(6), 6-7(4) 2001 halle 49,06%

R32 Nicolas*Kiefer*(GER) 39 L*3-6, 6-1, 6-7(4) 2001 moscow 52,15%

Q Andy*Roddick*(USA) 16 W*3-6, 6-3, 7-6(5) 2001 basel 51,41%

R32 Jiri*Novak*(CZE) 40 L*4-6, 7-6(4), 6-7(2) 2001 paris 48,70%

Q Albert*Costa*(ESP) 9 L*6-7(4), 6-4, 6-7(7) 2003 miami 50,20%

S Andy*Roddick*(USA) 7 L*4-6, 6-3, 6-7(3) 2003 canada 49,19%

R64 Scott*Draper*(AUS) 114 W*4-6, 6-3, 7-6(10) 2003 cinci 53,27%

R16 Martin*Verkerk*(NED) 16 W*6-7(3), 7-6(12), 7-6(6) 2003 paris 52,07%

RR Andre*Agassi*(USA) 5 W*6-7(3), 6-3, 7-6(7) 2003 TMC 50,21%

R16 Ivo*Karlovic*(CRO) 59 W*6-7(5), 6-3, 7-6(4) 2004 gstaad 52,22%

W Ivan*Ljubicic*(CRO) 19 W*5-7, 7-5, 7-6(5) 2005 rotterdam 52,19%

R32 Ivo*Minar*(CZE) 119 W*6-7(5), 6-3, 7-6(5) 2005 dubai 51,20%

R16 Juan Carlos*Ferrero*(ESP) 98 W*4-6, 6-3, 7-6(6) 2005 dubai 51,98%

Q Richard*Gasquet*(FRA) 101 L*7-6(1), 2-6, 6-7(8) 2005 MC 50,22%

RR Ivan*Ljubicic*(CRO) 8 W*6-3, 2-6, 7-6(4) 2005 TMC 52,02%

F David*Nalbandian*(ARG) 12 L*7-6(4),7-6(11),2-6,1-6,6-7(3)2005 TMC 46,37%

F Rafael*Nadal*(ESP) 2 L*7-6, 6-7(5), 4-6, 6-2, 6-7(5)2006 rome 50,71%

Q Olivier*Rochus*(BEL) 29 W*6-7(2), 7-6(9), 7-6(5) 2006 halle 50,00%

Q Takao*Suzuki*(JPN) 1,078 W*4-6, 7-5, 7-6(3) 2006 tokyo 53,27%

S Paradorn*Srichaphan*(THA) 54 W*6-4, 3-6, 7-6(5) 2006 basel 51,30%

R16 Guillermo*Canas*(ARG) 55 L*6-7(2), 6-2, 6-7(5) 2007 miami 50,68%

F Novak*Djokovic*(SRB) 4 L*6-7(2), 6-2, 6-7(2) 2007 canada 50,51%

S Lleyton*Hewitt*(AUS) 20 W*6-3, 6-7(7), 7-6(1) 2007 cinci 52,89%

R32 Ruben*Ramirez Hidalgo*(ESP) 137 W*6-1, 3-6, 7-6(1) 2008 MC 53,37%

R16 Ivo*Karlovic*(CRO) 22 L*6-7(6), 6-4, 6-7(5) 2008 cinci 51,21%

Q Jo-Wilfried*Tsonga*(FRA) 7 L*6-7(5), 6-1, 6-7(3) 2009 canada 52,28%

R32 Marcos*Baghdatis*(CYP) 33 L*7-5, 5-7, 6-7(4) 2010 IW 50,00%

R32 Tomas*Berdych*(CZH) 20 L*4-6, 7-6(3), 6-7(6) 2010 miami 50,00%

r2473
04-01-2010, 05:27 AM
That's kind of interesting.

I think it would be more interesting if you split it into 2 categories: "Jesus Fed" and "pre-Jesus Fed". Otherwise it is like talking about Fed's head to head with Hewitt. Sure, it is close (I think it still is). But Hewitt has now lost to Fed about 20 straight times.

It still looks like even "Jesus Fed" lost more than I would have expected.

Jimnik
04-01-2010, 05:47 AM
Surprised actually, 20-16 isn't bad. Thought it would be worse.

But I guess it's because his losses are more memorable. Then again, he has lost 6 of his last 8.

Jimnik
04-01-2010, 05:50 AM
Btw, there's an important one missing.

Federer def. Roddick, Basel 2001, 3-6 6-3 7-6(5)

The very first of 21 meetings between Roger and RAndy.

andy neyer
04-01-2010, 05:56 AM
Surprised actually, 20-16 isn't bad. Thought it would be worse.

But I guess it's because his losses are more memorable. Then again, he has lost 6 of his last 8.

Just checked and it's actually 21-15. I erroneusly included Mantilla's victory in Rome (which wasn't in a deciding tiebreaker) and like you pointed out, Fed's first win over Roddick wasn't considered.

Yeah, to be honest, I also thought it was going to be way worse than that. 21-15 is quite a decent record after all! Still, it's weird that Federer has lost 9 matches decided in tiebreaks after having won more points than his opponent whereas in all the matches he's won in deciding tiebreaks he's won more points than his opponents.

andy neyer
04-01-2010, 06:04 AM
Btw, there's an important one missing.

Federer def. Roddick, Basel 2001, 3-6 6-3 7-6(5)

The very first of 21 meetings between Roger and RAndy.

You're right.. I'll correct it right now

andy neyer
04-01-2010, 06:15 AM
That's kind of interesting.

I think it would be more interesting if you split it into 2 categories: "Jesus Fed" and "pre-Jesus Fed". Otherwise it is like talking about Fed's head to head with Hewitt. Sure, it is close (I think it still is). But Hewitt has now lost to Fed about 20 straight times.

It still looks like even "Jesus Fed" lost more than I would have expected.

That's a good point.
Counting from Canada 2003 until then end of 2006 (the period in which he was more or less in his absolute prime, imo), Federer had an great 11-4 record which means that in the rest of the time he has actually had a rather mediocre 10-12 record.
Now he's actually carrying a 4-deciding tiebreak losing streak for the first time ever.

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 10:38 AM
Your first post is still incorrect, should be added:

Basel 2000, Hewitt
Masters 2005, Nalbandian

And removed Basel 2006, Gonzalez

ApproachShot
04-01-2010, 11:19 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong Voo - but it seems that his 3rd set tiebreak record is not that much worse than his overall tiebreak statistics, which in percentage terms is the best on tour.

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 12:01 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong Voo - but it seems that his 3rd set tiebreak record is not that much worse than his overall tiebreak statistics, which in percentage terms is the best on tour.

Yes, despite his last two defeats, Federer is still good in 3rd set tie-breaks - in this stats and in his TB record overall is above 60 % what is very good, actually his TB record overall is great - 65 %. But if we take into account his TB record of deciding sets (so, his two defeats in the 5th set TB too, Nalbandian and Nadal), I'd say he's decent - 55 %.

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 12:09 PM
:scratch: BTW, I wonder which adjectives are the best to describe percentage concerning tie-breaks. This is my proposition (for at least 100 tie-breaks played in career):
more than 65% - great
more than 60% - very good
more than 55% - good
more than 50% - decent
45-50 % - rather weak
40-45 % - weak
below 40% - very weak

I'd apply the same gradation for TB in the deciding set and 5-setters with at least 20 matches taking into account.

Mateya
04-01-2010, 01:13 PM
below 40% - very weak


Which adjective would you use for Seppi and his glorious tiebreak record (w/l):

10-17 in 2009 (37%)
7-20 in 2008 (26%)
Out of 27 tiebreaks, he won 7. :tape: :tape:

When I'll have time I'll do his deciding tiebreaks record. Should be fun. :D

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 01:39 PM
Which adjective would you use for Seppi and his glorious tiebreak record (w/l):

10-17 in 2009 (37%)
7-20 in 2008 (26%)
Out of 27 tiebreaks, he won 7. :tape: :tape:

When I'll have time I'll do his deciding tiebreaks record. Should be fun. :D

I'm afraid below 30% is pathetic :o

jonas
04-01-2010, 02:23 PM
BTW, Rafa is 8-8 in deciding sets tie breaks. Voo, who's got the best record? Moya? Karlovic?

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 02:49 PM
BTW, Rafa is 8-8 in deciding sets tie breaks. Voo, who's got the best record? Moya? Karlovic?


Moya is a GOAT given the percentage ;) Karlovic has won the most... (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=93356)

Certinfy
04-01-2010, 02:50 PM
How about Isner's? :devil:

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 02:53 PM
Isner 21-7 (counting all levels)

Certinfy
04-01-2010, 03:19 PM
Damn that's impressive!

jonas
04-01-2010, 03:33 PM
Moya is a GOAT given the percentage ;) Karlovic has won the most... (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=93356)

Moya. :worship: 31-16 is sick really.

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 03:48 PM
Moya. :worship: 31-16 is sick really.

How 31-16? :) 36-13, on the main level 34-10 (77 %) and yes, this is sick :p

andy neyer
04-01-2010, 04:17 PM
Your first post is still incorrect, should be added:

Basel 2000, Hewitt
Masters 2005, Nalbandian

And removed Basel 2006, Gonzalez

I stand corrected.

Didn't think I was going to make so many errors! Thanks for the help. i think the list should be totally correct now.

It's actually quite interesting the fact that he beat Hewitt in Basel 2000 because that's the only match decided in a tiebreak won by Federer in spite of having won less points than his rival.

andy neyer
04-01-2010, 04:28 PM
Moya is a GOAT given the percentage ;) Karlovic has won the most... (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=93356)

WOW.. That's impressive

Mateya
04-01-2010, 07:40 PM
Lapentti has an awesome record too, no?
:cool:

DrJules
04-01-2010, 07:45 PM
Considering that only 1 of the grand slams has a deciding set tie break finish is it a significant issue from a Federer perspective.

jonas
04-01-2010, 10:49 PM
How 31-16? :) 36-13, on the main level 34-10 (77 %) and yes, this is sick :p

Typo. ;)

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 10:56 PM
Typo. ;)

BTW jonas, Edberg has 18-11 :yeah: Do you know some Swedish website for a newspaper with archive search engine? I'd like to know at least Edberg's all tie-breaks of Grand Slams. I don't know his 5 tie-breaks in GS (and Basel final tie-breaks '85) :mad:

jonas
04-01-2010, 11:23 PM
BTW jonas, Edberg has 18-11 :yeah: Do you know some Swedish website for a newspaper with archive search engine? I'd like to know at least Edberg's all tie-breaks of Grand Slams. I don't know his 5 tie-breaks in GS (and Basel final tie-breaks '85) :mad:

That's pretty good. :) Don't know a search engine, but as I work at a newspaper I can try to check our archive.

jonas
04-01-2010, 11:31 PM
BTW jonas, Edberg has 18-11 :yeah: Do you know some Swedish website for a newspaper with archive search engine? I'd like to know at least Edberg's all tie-breaks of Grand Slams. I don't know his 5 tie-breaks in GS (and Basel final tie-breaks '85) :mad:

You mean the points count of his tie breaks, right?

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 11:37 PM
You mean the points count of his tie breaks, right?

Yes, no tie-break scorelines on ATP website before 1991, I've found a lot before that year but still lack many of those which are "important" to me (among them some tie-breaks of Edberg, especially 7 TB's mentioned above) :o

jonas
04-01-2010, 11:39 PM
Ok. I'll see what I can do.

Voo de Mar
04-01-2010, 11:40 PM
^ It's more irritating because I know scores of tie-breaks from his first two GS events (1983) :o

General Suburbia
04-02-2010, 12:45 AM
That "win" against Srichaphan didn't count.

andy neyer
04-02-2010, 12:52 AM
That "win" against Srichaphan didn't count.

What do you mean?

NADALbULLS
04-02-2010, 03:06 AM
Only thing worth noting with these stats is Federer has lost 6 of his last 8 deciding tie-breaks. And that started when he lost 2 straight in 2007, which makes sense because his form dropped off at that point.

abraxas21
05-04-2011, 08:12 PM
olderer broke a five match third set tiebreak losing streak with his win against lópez today

Roamed
05-04-2011, 09:04 PM
olderer broke a five match third set tiebreak losing streak with his win against lópez today

Are you sure? By my reckoning he lost the last one he played against Monfils in the Paris semis, but the one before that, against Berdych in the Toronto quarters, he won?

Voo de Mar
05-04-2011, 09:09 PM
Are you sure? By my reckoning he lost the last one he played against Monfils in the Paris semis, but the one before that, against Berdych in the Toronto quarters, he won?

Exactly, he lost 4 in a row, then beat Berdych, then lost to Monfils and won today.

abraxas21
05-04-2011, 10:13 PM
Are you sure? By my reckoning he lost the last one he played against Monfils in the Paris semis, but the one before that, against Berdych in the Toronto quarters, he won?

that's correct. :yeah:
i had forgotten about that one with berdych

abraxas21
05-10-2012, 01:51 AM
today: federer b. raonic

first time since 2001 in which he wins a deciding tiebreak after winning less points than his rival

Voo de Mar
05-10-2012, 01:58 AM
Second time after (almost) exactly the same scoreline:

Tokyo '06: Suzuki 4-6 7-5 7-6(3)
Madrid '12: Raonic 4-6 7-5 7-6(4)

In both matches there were two breaks of serve and on both occasions Federer served as the first one in 2nd and 3rd set.

abraxas21
05-10-2012, 02:04 AM
cool. you know your stuff, voo

BauerAlmeida
05-10-2012, 02:31 AM
Q Takao*Suzuki*(JPN) 1,078 W*4-6, 7-5, 7-6(3) 2006 tokyo 53,27%


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Mountaindewslave
05-10-2012, 02:47 AM
Takao*Suzuki almost beat ROger Federer in his prime with at rank 1000? wow

SelvenluvJo
05-10-2012, 02:58 AM
correct me if i'm wrong plz.

R--------------vs. Player------------Ranking-----------Score--------------Year-----Tourney----% points won

R32 Guillaume*Raoux*(FRA) 71 W*6-7(4), 7-5, 7-6(3) 1999 rotterdam 51,79%

R16 Jerome*Golmard*(FRA) 63 W*6-7(6), 7-6(5), 7-6(5) 1999 marseille 50,42%

F Marc*Rosset*(SUI) 77 L*6-2, 3-6, 6-7(5) 2000 marseille 49,44%

Q Ivan*Ljubicic*(CRO) 69 W*6-2, 3-6, 7-6(5) 2000 marseille 53,13%

S Lleyton*Hewitt*(AUS) 9 W*6-4, 5-7, 7-6(6) 2000 basel 49,78%

F Nicolas*Escude*(FRA) 60 L*5-7, 6-3, 6-7(5) 2001 rotterdam 50,22%

R16 Thomas*Johansson*(SWE) 25 W*7-6(3), 5-7, 7-6(7) 2001 miami 50,61%

R32 Marat*Safin*(RUS) 2 W*4-6, 6-4, 7-6(5) 2001 rome 50,59%

R64 Thomas*Johansson*(SWE) 24 W*7-6(3), 4-6, 7-6(5) 2001 rome 51,32%

Q Patrick*Rafter*(AUS) 10 L*6-4, 6-7(6), 6-7(4) 2001 halle 49,06%

R32 Nicolas*Kiefer*(GER) 39 L*3-6, 6-1, 6-7(4) 2001 moscow 52,15%

Q Andy*Roddick*(USA) 16 W*3-6, 6-3, 7-6(5) 2001 basel 51,41%

R32 Jiri*Novak*(CZE) 40 L*4-6, 7-6(4), 6-7(2) 2001 paris 48,70%

Q Albert*Costa*(ESP) 9 L*6-7(4), 6-4, 6-7(7) 2003 miami 50,20%

S Andy*Roddick*(USA) 7 L*4-6, 6-3, 6-7(3) 2003 canada 49,19%

R64 Scott*Draper*(AUS) 114 W*4-6, 6-3, 7-6(10) 2003 cinci 53,27%

R16 Martin*Verkerk*(NED) 16 W*6-7(3), 7-6(12), 7-6(6) 2003 paris 52,07%

RR Andre*Agassi*(USA) 5 W*6-7(3), 6-3, 7-6(7) 2003 TMC 50,21%

R16 Ivo*Karlovic*(CRO) 59 W*6-7(5), 6-3, 7-6(4) 2004 gstaad 52,22%

W Ivan*Ljubicic*(CRO) 19 W*5-7, 7-5, 7-6(5) 2005 rotterdam 52,19%

R32 Ivo*Minar*(CZE) 119 W*6-7(5), 6-3, 7-6(5) 2005 dubai 51,20%

R16 Juan Carlos*Ferrero*(ESP) 98 W*4-6, 6-3, 7-6(6) 2005 dubai 51,98%

Q Richard*Gasquet*(FRA) 101 L*7-6(1), 2-6, 6-7(8) 2005 MC 50,22%

RR Ivan*Ljubicic*(CRO) 8 W*6-3, 2-6, 7-6(4) 2005 TMC 52,02%

F David*Nalbandian*(ARG) 12 L*7-6(4),7-6(11),2-6,1-6,6-7(3)2005 TMC 46,37%

F Rafael*Nadal*(ESP) 2 L*7-6, 6-7(5), 4-6, 6-2, 6-7(5)2006 rome 50,71%

Q Olivier*Rochus*(BEL) 29 W*6-7(2), 7-6(9), 7-6(5) 2006 halle 50,00%

Q Takao*Suzuki*(JPN) 1,078 W*4-6, 7-5, 7-6(3) 2006 tokyo 53,27%

S Paradorn*Srichaphan*(THA) 54 W*6-4, 3-6, 7-6(5) 2006 basel 51,30%

R16 Guillermo*Canas*(ARG) 55 L*6-7(2), 6-2, 6-7(5) 2007 miami 50,68%

F Novak*Djokovic*(SRB) 4 L*6-7(2), 6-2, 6-7(2) 2007 canada 50,51%

S Lleyton*Hewitt*(AUS) 20 W*6-3, 6-7(7), 7-6(1) 2007 cinci 52,89%

R32 Ruben*Ramirez Hidalgo*(ESP) 137 W*6-1, 3-6, 7-6(1) 2008 MC 53,37%

R16 Ivo*Karlovic*(CRO) 22 L*6-7(6), 6-4, 6-7(5) 2008 cinci 51,21%

Q Jo-Wilfried*Tsonga*(FRA) 7 L*6-7(5), 6-1, 6-7(3) 2009 canada 52,28%

R32 Marcos*Baghdatis*(CYP) 33 L*7-5, 5-7, 6-7(4) 2010 IW 50,00%

R32 Tomas*Berdych*(CZH) 20 L*4-6, 7-6(3), 6-7(6) 2010 miami 50,00%

Q Tomas Berdych (CZE) 7 W 6-3, 5-7, 7-6(5) 2010 canada 50.90%

S Gael Monfils (FRA) 14 L 6-7(7), 7-6(1), 6-7(4) 2010 paris 50.81%

R32 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 39 W 7-6(13), 6-7(1), 7-6(7) 2011 madrid 51.50%

R16 Richard Gasquet (FRA) 16 L 6-4, 6-7(2), 6-7(4) 2011 roma 51.26%

R15 Milos Raonic(CAN) 23 W 4-6,7-5,7-6(4) 2012 madrid 49.01%

Topspindoctor
05-10-2012, 03:04 AM
Olderer always pushes in tie breaks. Relies on chokes from his opponents.

BroTree123
05-10-2012, 03:08 AM
More like using his "big name" to scare away his opponents in match TBs.

Voo de Mar
05-10-2012, 03:17 AM
Federer has now won 25 deciding 3rd set tie-breaks - places him on 6th position in history behind Ljubicic, Moya, Karlovic, Sampras & Roddick.

abraxas21
06-15-2012, 11:57 PM
Takao*Suzuki almost beat ROger Federer in his prime with at rank 1000? wow

i remember that match. takao was playing well above his ranking. they also played in the AO the previous year and federer won more comfortably but apparently takao still played fairly well. i'm not sure what happened to him...

federer got one more win in a deciding set tiebreak. again v. raonic.

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 12:02 AM
Federer has now won 25 deciding 3rd set tie-breaks - places him on 6th position in history behind Ljubicic, Moya, Karlovic, Sampras & Roddick.

could you please post the list in this thread, voo?

HKz
06-16-2012, 12:13 AM
Olderer always pushes in tie breaks. Relies on chokes from his opponents.

Has nothing to do with Federer's serve I'm sure. And I'm sure Nadal is going for all of his shots in tiebreaks right? Nadal is a great tiebreak player :rolleyes:

Federer being a pusher in tiebreaks must be the reason why he is 5-1 against Nadal in tiebreaks on grass.

Caesar1844
06-16-2012, 12:15 AM
i remember that match. takao was playing well above his ranking. they also played in the AO the previous year and federer won more comfortably but apparently takao still played fairly well. i'm not sure what happened to him...
He was already 30 at that stage so his career was tailing off. I believe his ranking at the time was highly injury affected though. He was a solid player... spent most of his career in the top 150 or 200.

Something about his style obviously gave Federer problems. He put up a good fight in both their matches.

motorhead
06-16-2012, 12:31 AM
I'm afraid below 30% is pathetic :o

what's Cilic %? it must be something around 5%