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How bad is this for Federer ?

fsoica
03-31-2010, 05:02 PM
Two former pigeons are taking you out in back to back tourneys, both saving MPs.
What does this mean for Federer ?

how bad is it ?

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 05:06 PM
Guy is done.

star
03-31-2010, 05:21 PM
It's not bad at all. How many tournaments did Sampras go through without winning a single one before winning the USO to end his career? LOTS. Federer is at the stage in his career where he only has to win slams. He has nearly every record there is and he will set some more before he hangs up his racquet. He won't win two grand slams back to back nine years apart, but I think he's probably ok with that. If he can get the grand slam this year, he will be very satisfied.

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 05:23 PM
Berdych saving a MP and winning against Federer is just pure funny, same with Baghdatis which was an even worse choke :o

Though as it's Federer, it isn't bad at all.

MacTheKnife
03-31-2010, 05:24 PM
Well let's see, it's happened how many times ?? :lol:

You can not be serious !!

tennishero
03-31-2010, 05:28 PM
federer is declining, its normal, next.

rofe
03-31-2010, 05:30 PM
Not as bad as losing to Cañas back to back in 2007 when he was still close to his peak. He will be fine. :shrug:

Aaric
03-31-2010, 05:34 PM
He will keep kicking asses in Slams, as always

rhinooooo
03-31-2010, 05:45 PM
Close this thread until one of his pigeons does it in a Slam.

tea
03-31-2010, 05:45 PM
What does this mean for Federer ?

how bad is it ?
Those events means everything to him. Can't see him recovering after those.

As bad as one could imagine. Nadal will win the French and Wimbledon for sure now.

hallso
03-31-2010, 06:06 PM
YGS's coming. That's more than obvious.

alfonsojose
03-31-2010, 06:11 PM
:zzz: At this point, after 16 slams and so many "he's done" threads. Sooner or latr he's going to fade, but still is going to be a threat. With a wife, twins, and all the money and achievements ... let him be human. Not a fan but he's :worship:

r2473
03-31-2010, 06:17 PM
Close this thread until one of his pigeons does it in a Slam.

Or UMAG (commonly called the 5th Slam).

FSRteam
03-31-2010, 06:22 PM
I have just looked at federer's record in 3 sets matches for 2003-2010. As many peoples have pointed out, fed's been very bad in 3 sets matches lately...

Wins in 3 sets (wins with a 3rd set tie-break)-Loses in 3 sets(loses with a 3rd set tie-break)=winning % in 3 sets matches

2010 :
2(0)-2(2)=50%

2009 :
6(0)-9(1)=40%

2008 :
6(1)-8(1)=43%

2007 :
10(1)-4(2)=71%

2006 :
17(4)-1(0)=94%

2005 :
15(4)-1(1)=94%

2004 :
11(1)-3(0)=79%

2003 :
15(3)-6(2)=71%

Max Power
03-31-2010, 07:12 PM
Well, in these same events in 2007, he was losing to Guillermo Canas, then in 2008, it was Mardy Fish and Roddick, then last year, he was falling apart against Murray and Djokovic; basically, underperforming in the Indian Wells/Miami run is par for the course for Federer at this stage of his career.

Mateya
03-31-2010, 07:45 PM
Do you imagine what MTF will be like when Federer loses before the semifinal of GS????? Let's say in 4th round...
:eek: :crazy: :haha:

It will happen sooner or later...and I don't wanna be a moderator when that day comes around.

decrepitude
03-31-2010, 07:50 PM
Do you imagine what MTF will be like when Federer loses before the semifinal of GS????? Let's say in 4th round...
:eek: :crazy: :haha:

It will happen sooner or later...and I don't wanna be a moderator when that day comes around.

Don't worry - the servers will explode as usual.

Orka_n
03-31-2010, 08:12 PM
How bad is this for Federer?
Fed doesn't even care. Ask again when he doesn't make the SF of a slam.

Andy_Murray_Fan
03-31-2010, 08:20 PM
Lol wow do people really think this is a big deal? When Federer gets knocked out in the 4th round of multiple slams then we can say he is done. Geez!

By the way i am NOT a Fed fan i really dont like him

Ububub
03-31-2010, 08:22 PM
All of this Doom and Gloom! And Hand-wringing! Oh my God he's done, he's through . . . he's the holder of three of four of the Grand Slam titles. Done indeed.

Commander Data
03-31-2010, 08:35 PM
Guy is done.

:lol:

Commander Data
03-31-2010, 08:39 PM
Here is your answer:

" Only fuels my desire to go back to the practice courts and come back even stronger. I don't like to lose these type of the matches."

"Definitely need to practice harder, and that's what I'll do."


Roger Federer, 30th of March 2010.

Ichiban1920
03-31-2010, 09:02 PM
Who gives a shit about these meaningless tournaments? He'll win Wimbledon and everyone else will be slobbering all over his nuts once again.

ApproachShot
03-31-2010, 09:20 PM
I am sure the case has already been eloquently stated, but let us put everything into perspective.

It might be worth noting that he has recently been suffering from a lung infection - although I do not attach much weight to this argument because as far as I am concerned if you decide to play a tournament, you are committed to give 100%. But more importantly, he had 3 match points in the match he lost in Indian Wells to Marcos Baghdatis - a former AO finalist and top 10 player. He had 1 match point in the match he lost in Miami to Berdych - a former Masters 1000 winner and top 10 player. Had one point each of the matches gone his way, this discussion would not have been brought up in the first place.

Furthermore one can contextualise his results at present as the holder of 3 of the 4 slams whilst being 2 points away from holding all 4 simultaneously, a semifinalist at the World Tour Finals, the defending champion at 2 Masters 1000 events and the current #1 player on the ATP rankings by some margin for the last 39 weeks and is guaranteed at least 9 more.

Being the most successful player coupled with the fact that he is not getting any younger means that there is only one way in which his performances can go from here: downwards. Undoubtedly he will be disappointed at not having won the key points that would have otherwise kept him in the two previous tournaments, and naturally he is concerned that he is not playing as well as he did earlier in the year at the Australian Open. Of course many of Federer's achievements on court are unparalleled but the notion that he can maintain this form well into the future is implausible. All rational observers can expect his performances to decline as he reaches the end of his career.

But if tennis pundits are to learn anything from history, that is never to write off a player prematurely; especially not someone with the talent and success that Federer has. Let us review his performances for the rest of the season before coming to a conclusion as to whether he has declined significantly or whether this can be attributed to temporary a dip in form.

marcRD
03-31-2010, 10:03 PM
Federer doesnt like these events, he performs alot better in the summer hardcourt master series and claycourt master series because they serve a purpose (build up his game for the grand slams).

Indoor master series and these spring master series are just without much purpose for Federer, he can lie about beeing motivated but it is obvious for anyone watching that at times he is somewhere else in his head in these matches. I dont know what he was doing between 3-1 and 4-6 in the 1st set but he was not on court during this time, he didnt even seem to care or get upset.

hilluis
03-31-2010, 10:15 PM
Agree with both the last two posts. Well written. It's a strange time - the top players struggling, two highly ranked players who could take advantage are injured ( del P and Davydenko).... kind of want someone new and exciting to fixate on. Despite his terrible last year, still miss Safin.....

habibko
03-31-2010, 10:37 PM
very, very bad.

federersforehand
03-31-2010, 10:45 PM
from facebook:

31 minutes ago- back on clay!

lol fed tanked it to get in on the clay early XD XD

Jimnik
03-31-2010, 11:31 PM
Fed already focused on winning more RG titles than Borg. :worship:

He'll be greatest at everything.

partygirl
03-31-2010, 11:53 PM
:rocker2:

luie
04-01-2010, 12:43 AM
Federer is finito.

River
04-01-2010, 01:55 AM
Eh. Still good in slams.

Just don't like how careless he is in other tournaments. What an insult not to try.

brent-o
04-01-2010, 07:08 AM
Eh. Still good in slams.

Just don't like how careless he is in other tournaments. What an insult not to try.

I agree. He turns it on in slams so effortlessly, so I don't get why he looks listless and indifferent in other tournaments. Why play them?

rofe
04-01-2010, 02:14 PM
from facebook:

31 minutes ago- back on clay!

lol fed tanked it to get in on the clay early XD XD

I don't for a moment believe that he tanked but there is an interesting difference this year - he is defending RG. Lets see how the clay season plays out.

Skyward
04-01-2010, 04:22 PM
Eh. Still good in slams.

Just don't like how careless he is in other tournaments. What an insult not to try.

Losing 6-7 in the 3 rd set against top 10-50 players is hardly qualified as not trying. :shrug:

DrJules
04-01-2010, 07:19 PM
The 5 set format of the game is very different from the 3 set format.

swisht4u
04-01-2010, 07:19 PM
I watch the level of play, not so much who Fed loses to.
It's pretty clear that his general level of play is dropping off.
Fed can counteract this with smart scheduling and hard long workouts. This is what Fed does best but right now it's too hard to keep this up over the whole season, this is what we are seeing now.
Nothing surprising, no one can do it all year long for years unending, even the young top players are falling down now and then.

LleytonMonfils
04-01-2010, 07:36 PM
ZOMGBBBBQQQQQ Federer lost some matches. God forbid a guy getting older would ever have a decline from his complete dominance form he had in his prime. ZOMMMGGGBBBQ GOD FORBID!!! Still tough as hell to beat in 5 sets, and he isn't even at the peak of his career anymore. OP get a life or a clue. Actually both.

bhathiya9999
04-02-2010, 07:28 AM
Federer will bad with his normal form

desigundah
04-02-2010, 07:31 AM
the guy cant win or reach the semis of every tourney he plays, lol. no one can.

andy neyer
04-02-2010, 08:22 AM
Federer doesnt like these events, he performs alot better in the summer hardcourt master series and claycourt master series because they serve a purpose (build up his game for the grand slams).

Indoor master series and these spring master series are just without much purpose for Federer, he can lie about beeing motivated but it is obvious for anyone watching that at times he is somewhere else in his head in these matches. I dont know what he was doing between 3-1 and 4-6 in the 1st set but he was not on court during this time, he didnt even seem to care or get upset.

Federer always maintains virtually the same attitude on the court, be it in GS or MS. In the last two sets, I was surprised because Federer's body language was much more expressive than usual, even more expressive than what I've seen him at many GS when he's down in the score. He was definitely very motivated in that match, imo.

Acer
04-02-2010, 08:24 AM
the guy cant win or reach the semis of every tourney he plays, lol. no one can.

It's just that Federer set the bar way too high for himself. For MTF posters anyway, coz clearly Federer himself isn't that bothered.

opeth84
04-02-2010, 08:57 AM
The guy hasn't made a final at Indian Wells or Miami since the double in 2006. I don't think the alarm bells are ringing for Rog just yet.

andy neyer
04-02-2010, 09:38 AM
If at the end of Miami 2006 someone would have said that Federer wasn't even going to reach the final of Miami or IW in the next 4 years (or more), no-one would have believed him.

2003
04-02-2010, 11:47 AM
The 5 set format of the game is very different from the 3 set format.

Not so much so..that would mean a 5 set match if Fed came back to win the duplicate match at a slam.

He had a few 5 setters last year in slams I suppose..but not to players like Burgerdartis.

brent-o
04-02-2010, 03:07 PM
The guy hasn't made a final at Indian Wells or Miami since the double in 2006. I don't think the alarm bells are ringing for Rog just yet.

Wow, I didn't even realize that. I remember 2007 was the two Canas losses. Who'd he lose to in 2008 and 2009?

Sunset of Age
04-02-2010, 03:25 PM
Wow, I didn't even realize that. I remember 2007 was the two Canas losses. Who'd he lose to in 2008 and 2009?

Fish, Roddick, Murray, Djokovic (including awesome racket smash :drool:), if I remember well.

tennisfaNo1
04-02-2010, 03:33 PM
Fish, Roddick, Murray, Djokovic (including awesome racket smash :drool:), if I remember well.
here you are - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqDqnwfTriI :wavey:

Sunset of Age
04-02-2010, 03:38 PM
here you are - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqDqnwfTriI :wavey:

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-score009.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Certinfy
04-02-2010, 03:43 PM
Still can't believe this guy won the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award. I mean if he's going to get it, u might as well let someone like Gonzalez get it. :shrug:

HKz
04-02-2010, 04:29 PM
Means absolutely nothing lawl. Another useless thread. People cried when he lost twice in a row to Canas, when he lost to Volandri, when he choked the Montreal final vs Djokovic, when he lost twice in a row to Nalbandian, when he lost to Fish/Roddick the next year, etc. Clearly since 2007, his game is not the same for 3 set matches.

barbadosan
04-02-2010, 04:58 PM
Still can't believe this guy won the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award. I mean if he's going to get it, u might as well let someone like Gonzalez get it. :shrug:

I take it you have personal, first hand information as to how the two of them interact on a day-to-day basis with the players who vote for the award?

HKz
04-02-2010, 05:20 PM
Still can't believe this guy won the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award. I mean if he's going to get it, u might as well let someone like Gonzalez get it. :shrug:

Just because a blip here and there means you shouldn't get the award? Let's see someone scrutinize your life.