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Miami 4R: Berdych def. Federer 6-4, 6-7(3), 7-6(6)

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LinkMage
03-31-2010, 04:17 AM
:retard:

Loses yet another match after blowing MP (just like last week against Baghdatis).

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:17 AM
Federer is done really :) At least in these smaller tournaments. He choked badly tnigt

FlameOn
03-31-2010, 04:17 AM
:worship:

:lol: Fedclown.

dombrfc
03-31-2010, 04:18 AM
pooorrrr

Snoo Foo
03-31-2010, 04:18 AM
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Certinfy
03-31-2010, 04:18 AM
I can't move, speak, breath or anything!

dylan24
03-31-2010, 04:18 AM
i knew he'd blew it when he had match on his serve
couldn't get a first serve in.

Sjengster
03-31-2010, 04:18 AM
Words can't convey how wonderful it is to stay up till 5am for the second time in as many weeks, to watch Federer waste a matchpoint for the second time in as many weeks, and lose another tight match he should have won for the second time in as many weeks.

At least this time he saved his choking for the two Berdych service games at 5-4 and 6-5 where he was two points from victory, rather than the matchpoint itself.

rubbERR
03-31-2010, 04:18 AM
no hes not done, he is just off form, great players are never done

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:19 AM
I'll always be a fan of Federer. But I am done rooting for him. The guy really doesn't have it mentally anymore. Berdych choked again and again. And Federer couldn't finish the job in yet another tight setter.

dombrfc
03-31-2010, 04:19 AM
needs to work on those MP's!

moon language
03-31-2010, 04:19 AM
At least the right player won. Way to go Berdych.

docking34
03-31-2010, 04:19 AM
this match sucked, federer really blew it and you knew he might lose it. birdshit deserved this win guys.

yesyesok
03-31-2010, 04:19 AM
I stayed up till 5am, to watch Fed lose to fucking Berdych????

ChinoRios4Ever
03-31-2010, 04:19 AM
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

epic match, Berdych :yeah:

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:19 AM
no hes not done, he is just off form, great players are never done

Get real. He is not going to win many of these smaller tournaments. He is just not. I have accepted it as a fan. :mad:

Smoke944
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
Hilarious from Federer. Just pure comedy. Couldn't even make the most basic of shots.
Credit to Tomas, he did enough in the end.
Really though, when you watch crap like this Frauderror is kinda fitting :lol:
Anyways, congrats on winning Miami Rafa ;)

azinna
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
Well, Berdych really took that match point...and played the next point like a champ to get a MP of his own

iriraz
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
Loosing straightforward is one thing.But second tourney in a row in a deciding tiebreak where he had at least 1 match point is tough for him.

Mungo
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
Hahaha what a chokefest! lovely!

Caio_Brasil
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
Gotta love it.

Berdych proved lots of things today, certainly became a better player.

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
I stayed up till 5am, to watch Fed lose to fucking Berdych????

Me and you. seriously. The guy had the match on his racket and yet allowed this ultimate choker to win a match against him. This is even worse than Baghdatis loss. This guy is mentally owned by Fed. It's like Blake beating him in the Olympics.

RafaTheBest
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
Tennis wins.

.-Federers_Mate-.
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
wow,berdych finally showing some balls. Federer had his chances really dissapointing. Fed really dosnt give a shit about these events any more :o so much shanking :o

Arkulari
03-31-2010, 04:20 AM
http://i40.tinypic.com/30waxs5.jpg

Roger should have won the first set, but Berdych was the deserving one at the end :yeah:

william_renshaw
03-31-2010, 04:21 AM
Berdych seems to have developed physically in the last few weeks.

I think he has a grown a pair of testicles.

Macbrother
03-31-2010, 04:21 AM
All credit to Berdych from 4:4 in the TB. He played the bigger shots, took the bigger risks, and got rewarded.

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 04:21 AM
I'm crying :( And Nando next, I really can't watch that, so congrats to whoever wins that :o

Daniel
03-31-2010, 04:21 AM
:sad: :sad:

Ibracadabra
03-31-2010, 04:21 AM
Credit due, the last 3 points took balls from tomas, something i thought he didn't have

Orbis
03-31-2010, 04:22 AM
Good to see Berdych pull out a win against Federer. Both players were choking a lot unfortunately and the quality of the match sucked most of the time.

Usually Federer can get the job done, but he didn't seem to care at times tonight. Maybe he's losing interest/motivation?

Mungo
03-31-2010, 04:22 AM
Three words:

Yeah! Yeaaah! Yeaaaaaaaah!

habibko
03-31-2010, 04:22 AM
great match overall, yes Fed played a disgraceful end of a 1st set but he fought back and almost pulled it off, he certainly had his chances, but Berdych played like a mental giant at the end of that TB and saving the half chances in the 3rd set with aggressive play and huge bombs, congrats to his fans especially Certinfy, it means alot to him :hug:

Sjengster
03-31-2010, 04:22 AM
wow,berdych finally showing some balls. Federer had his chances really dissapointing. Fed really dosnt give a shit about these events any more :o so much shanking :o

If you can really still believe in that excuse after another defeat like this, then more power to you. I only wish I could.

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:22 AM
I admit. I rather see Fed losing to Berdych than Nadal. At the same time. How did he lose this match? Berdych was NOT the better player. He should've probably been bageled 6-2 6-2. Yet Fed dropped serve inexplicably and then choked in the tie-break. He is going to lose a lot of points till Wimbledon. Let's not forget that Berdych almost had Roger beat in a grand slam before choking 2 sets! So this master choker gets outchoked by Roger. Shameful. Tough to take

simplet
03-31-2010, 04:22 AM
Fucking balls of steel Berdych in that TB. Fuck my shitty stream for crashing just before match point but at least I got to see the beautiful 2 points before that.

I really hope Berdych destroys Soderling.

edit : or is it Verdasco? Hopes he wins either way

oranges
03-31-2010, 04:23 AM
:rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2:

Streaky match, with both going form muggy to good to excellent and back, but some entertaining parts overall and great drama in the end. Brilliant points by Tomas to save MP and get his own. Keep going :rocker:

aussie_fan
03-31-2010, 04:23 AM
While Federer played an awful TB, Berdych actually steeped up the play from 5-6* to *7-6, played two big points, full credit to him.

FNT
03-31-2010, 04:23 AM
High comedy.
Those TB's are at least 50% mental, and it's tough to get a mental edge when you clearly don't give a crap.
Fed should play 4 tourneys a year. Maybe Basel and World Tour Finals. He is just too lazy to try hard in any other ones.

martinatreue
03-31-2010, 04:23 AM
Why in the world did he hit his absolute weakest serve on at 6-5 in the tiebreak... Sometimes it feels like Federer hates the hawkeye system so much that he almost tries to play the next point at neutral instead of just going for the jugular... the serve wasn't really there all night long but that was an awful serve at 6-5

holagirl56
03-31-2010, 04:23 AM
Don't know what to say for Fed. Once is bad enough, but two tournaments in a row holding match point and losing? Guy's got a lot of work to do. I can only hope that these losses motivate him like they did last year and he finds some consistency to his game.

I'm delighted for Tomas. For once he didn't choke and this was a win he needed a lot. After last week's loss to Rafa, I was worried he'd lost his belief in himself, but the way he played match point down was gutsy and he very much deserved this win. Hope he beats Verdasco soundly.

juninhOH
03-31-2010, 04:24 AM
awful performance from roger except for short periods of the match.

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:24 AM
All credit to Berdych from 4:4 in the TB. He played the bigger shots, took the bigger risks, and got rewarded.

Really? Like at 5-5? Seriously. Berdych did not WIN this match. Roger LOST it. Simple as that. Yes. Berdych is a big hitter. But at 6-5, Roger loses 2 straight points on serve. Nadal wouldn't do such thing nor would a del potro or novak.

rubbERR
03-31-2010, 04:24 AM
I'm crying :( And Nando next, I really can't watch that, so congrats to whoever wins that :o

are you a man? crying because some stranger won a match

ghstwrld
03-31-2010, 04:24 AM
Hahaha what a chokefest! lovely!

Through the looking glass indeed! :eek:

hilluis
03-31-2010, 04:24 AM
Absolutely so disappointed with Federer, I mean... I sat thru that whole match - up and down as he was for this result??? And of course Berdych will just go out next round as everyone does who beats Federer. Berdych played well... All those come backs and then to lose.

.-Federers_Mate-.
03-31-2010, 04:24 AM
I'll always be a fan of Federer. But I am done rooting for him. The guy really doesn't have it mentally anymore. Berdych choked again and again. And Federer couldn't finish the job in yet another tight setter.

mate you should be ashamed, what kind of fan are you :rolleyes:. He played shit tonight, but he just won a slam a few months ago

tangerine_dream
03-31-2010, 04:24 AM
The Miami crowd sucks.

miura
03-31-2010, 04:25 AM
Woeful match. 61 UE's by Roger. Berdych should have won in straights. Fix your game for the clay season :)

.-Federers_Mate-.
03-31-2010, 04:25 AM
If you can really still believe in that excuse after another defeat like this, then more power to you. I only wish I could.

haha thats what i want think ;)

HarryMan
03-31-2010, 04:25 AM
Federer tried everything that he could but the better player who could keep his nerves in check won.

Bibberz
03-31-2010, 04:25 AM
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/7739/95613001.png

enigma
03-31-2010, 04:26 AM
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

epic match, Berdych :yeah:


:devil::devil:

Baghdatis72
03-31-2010, 04:26 AM
Well it seems that all the chokes, match points missed and break points wasted by the players who got close to beating him in the past are being returned to the sender now. He lost his aura of invisibility and can't seem to keep his level up for too long at a time. Most of all he can't convert break points and match points to save his life lately :eek:

I expect to see him losing more matches that he would normally take in the near future but he will come back stronger in the slams.

Xristos
03-31-2010, 04:26 AM
What a choke.

alter ego
03-31-2010, 04:26 AM
Wonder what he has to say after the match. 60 Ues in 3 sets, Chocking match point on his serve, numerous other chances to break Berdych throught the match, 55% first serve in. :eek:
What the hell happened to the AO form ?

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:26 AM
mate you should be ashamed, what kind of fan are you :rolleyes:. He played shit tonight, but he just won a slam a few months ago

Why? I like him but I am tired of staying up all night to see him choke match points. He doesn't owe us anything. That's a given. But come on. Show us that he cares. Not choke with match point after breaking back in the third. This is nonsense. If Roger doesn't care about winning these, then just lose 6-0, 6-0. That's easier to take than losing to a choke job like Berdych. Can Berdych really do anything at this tournament? Like beating a Nadal? Seriously?

Geo
03-31-2010, 04:27 AM
did Federer play great tennis? no He did, however, fight back and had some good moments. I'm just happy for Berdych, who finally grew a pair and didn't melt down when he lost the 2nd set. I'm sure most of us thought Federer would easily win the 3rd set, but today Tomas had a much better attitude. He didn't get as down on himself, and we even saw him smile.

Berdych has come close to beating Federer a few times (since his only victory at the Athens Olympics), so it's nice to see him finally get another win. He's far too talented to be dominated by anyone, and today he showed that. He had plenty of great shots and he moved really well today.


Hopefully Berdych can build on this victory and be more of a factor again in the big events this season :yeah: :hatoff:

FiBeR
03-31-2010, 04:27 AM
match of the tournament

crude oil
03-31-2010, 04:27 AM
not sure why federer was so aggressive in the TB. he went for shots that weren't really there.

usually, fed plays conservative against these guys and eventually wins out.

roger better go get his head straightened out.

this looks like 2007 all over again where we have deja vu in both IW and Miami - losing sort of identically being up match point.

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 04:27 AM
6-4 6-7 *4-5 0-30
6-4 6-7 *5-6 15-30
6-4 6-5 6-6 5-6*

Amazing mental strength :worship:

william_renshaw
03-31-2010, 04:27 AM
I think many people here are being rather ungracious towards Berdych. The crowd were awfully one-sided tonight, some people even screaming at least twice when Berdych was about to hit a mid-court putaway. He showed mental strength today which he has never shown before. A few months ago he would have lost the 3rd set 6-0 or 6-1.

EnriqueIG8
03-31-2010, 04:28 AM
Why? I like him but I am tired of staying up all night to see him choke match points. He doesn't owe us anything. That's a given. But come on. Show us that he cares. Not choke with match point after breaking back in the third. This is nonsense. If Roger doesn't care about winning these, then just lose 6-0, 6-0. That's easier to take than losing to a choke job like Berdych. Can Berdych really do anything at this tournament? Like beating a Nadal? Seriously?

Haha since when does Roger play to please you? If you don't wanna stay up, go to sleep next time.

Congratz Berdych. Huge cojones on the big points, that mixed up with some Fed choking makes you a worthy winner :worship:

Baghdatis72
03-31-2010, 04:29 AM
I think many people here are being rather ungracious towards Berdych. The crowd were awfully one-sided tonight, some people even screaming at least twice when Berdych was about to hit a mid-court putaway. He showed mental strength today which he has never shown before. A few months ago he would have lost the 3rd set 6-0 or 6-1.

True indeed :)

TennisLurker
03-31-2010, 04:29 AM
Fed fans should only worry when Fed's good twin no longer shows up for slams

simplet
03-31-2010, 04:29 AM
Really? Like at 5-5? Seriously. Berdych did not WIN this match. Roger LOST it. Simple as that. Yes. Berdych is a big hitter. But at 6-5, Roger loses 2 straight points on serve. Nadal wouldn't do such thing nor would a del potro or novak.

Of course they would, that and worst. Stop being a fucking drama queen, you're a FEDERER fanboy for pete's sake, don't go around whining everytime he loses a match at a master series event.

crude oil
03-31-2010, 04:29 AM
this wasn't really a choke. federer just trying to play brainless tennis and not executing when it matters almost like blake.

TMJordan
03-31-2010, 04:29 AM
F M L

coonster14
03-31-2010, 04:30 AM
there goes my wish for a Fedal final :(. hope nando beats berdych next round.

rubbERR
03-31-2010, 04:30 AM
I think many people here are being rather ungracious towards Berdych. The crowd were awfully one-sided tonight, some people even screaming at least twice when Berdych was about to hit a mid-court putaway. He showed mental strength today which he has never shown before. A few months ago he would have lost the 3rd set 6-0 or 6-1.

hard to lose set 0-6 1-6 against Federer who sprays more unforced errors than Karlovic

TennisLurker
03-31-2010, 04:30 AM
Congrats to Berdych, he really needed this victory. I enojoyed the last two sets a lot

tennis2tennis
03-31-2010, 04:30 AM
Well it seems that all the chokes, match points missed and break points wasted by the players who got close to beating him in the past are being returned to the sender now. He lost his aura of invisibility and can't seem to keep his level up for too long at a time. Most of all he can't convert break points and match points to save his life lately :eek:

I expect to see him losing more matches that he would normally take in the near future but he will come back stronger in the slams.

The problem for him is that slowly but surely that habit will start slipping into the majors; you give the other guys confidence in the masters, they'll come out fighting in the majors!

Sjengster
03-31-2010, 04:30 AM
I think many people here are being rather ungracious towards Berdych. The crowd were awfully one-sided tonight, some people even screaming at least twice when Berdych was about to hit a mid-court putaway. He showed mental strength today which he has never shown before. A few months ago he would have lost the 3rd set 6-0 or 6-1.

There's no shame in the calibre of opponent he lost to, same as with Baghdatis (these of course are the kind of weak players Federer had as competition back in his heyday before the real threats like Murray and Djokovic arrived). He was always due another loss to Berdych, particularly after the narrow escape at the AO last year, but to do it in this fashion is beyond feeble. How on earth someone can go from playing the tennis he did in the AO final to being so ridiculously unstable from point to point is a mystery to me.

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:31 AM
Fed fans should only worry when Fed's good twin no longer shows up for slams

Haha. That's actually very true. I say that happens at the French this year. So many can beat him I feel. But come on. Murray and Novak are doing worse. :devil:

Arkulari
03-31-2010, 04:31 AM
6-4 6-7 *4-5 0-30
6-4 6-7 *5-6 15-30
6-4 6-5 6-6 5-6*

Amazing mental strength :worship:

indeed :yeah:

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 04:31 AM
Career changing moment for Tomas hopefully :yeah:

As for the match, that was how to save a MP, how to create a MP, and how to take a MP :worship:

holagirl56
03-31-2010, 04:31 AM
not sure why federer was so aggressive in the TB. he went for shots that weren't really there.

usually, fed plays conservative against these guys and eventually wins out.

roger better go get his head straightened out.

this looks like 2007 all over again where we have deja vu in both IW and Miami - losing sort of identically being up match point.

If it means winning 3 slams, I'll take these two losses. However, I doubt Fed's going to be beating anyone playing like this.

freeandlonely
03-31-2010, 04:31 AM
Fed fans should only worry when Fed's good twin no longer shows up for slams

indeed

holagirl56
03-31-2010, 04:31 AM
Career changing moment for Tomas hopefully :yeah:

As for the match, that was how to save a MP, how to create a MP, and how to take a MP :worship:

Yes, I hope this does for him what RG last year did for Sod. He's needed that tough match for a while and I'm happy he finally got it.

Sunset of Age
03-31-2010, 04:32 AM
Mediocre match, to say the least.

Hmmm. I guess 'expected' covers it all.
Berdych has been playing great tennis lately, and his mental fortitude has gone up to K2-levels. About time for that!
Roger... well, I'm not going to repeat what I've already said on so many occasions. He's just not up to it anymore in bo3-format, whatever you'd like to make of it.

And eh... that Sampy record of 287 weeks on #1 is quite in limbo as well right now. Don't tell me he doesn't care about that either.

Tomas!!! :hatoff: :worship: :bowdown: well done!!!

Roger. okay, man. Maybe it's time to stop swimming and finally WAKE UP??? :rolleyes:

Baghdatis72
03-31-2010, 04:32 AM
The problem for him is that slowly but surely that habit will start slipping into the majors; you give the other guys confidence in the masters, they'll come out fighting in the majors!

Well many people were afraid of that but he always comes back strong in the slams. Even when he lost to Canas twice in a row he managed to shake it off and return with a vengeance.

The Magician
03-31-2010, 04:32 AM
Federror at his best:rolleyes: Hopefully this will teach Fed to not take a mental vacation for a set every match but I doubt it:o Nice clutch play from Berdych at the end there, especially recovering from that challenge. If Berdych can gain confidence from this victory and become the top 10 player he should be I will be a happy man. Hey Soderling did it at around the same age:angel:

SheepleBuster
03-31-2010, 04:32 AM
Career changing moment for Tomas hopefully :yeah:

As for the match, that was how to save a MP, how to create a MP, and how to take a MP :worship:

I know you are a big fan of Thomas. I used to be too. He just doesn't have it. He got spanked by Nadal just recently and should have lost tonight. Hm.. I hope he steps up. But I think he might lose to Verdasco. He has a tendency of giving chokes back. Sorry. Don't mean to make you mad :)

Sjengster
03-31-2010, 04:33 AM
Fed fans should only worry when Fed's good twin no longer shows up for slams

Not just that, he's also doing his best to flush those hopes of getting the no. 1 record down the toilet with results like these. Last year I could understand his poor play at these events when he was still so demoralised from the AO final, but he still had consistent results in them; now he should be riding a confidence high, and instead it's like he's forgotten how to play tennis, at least on the big points.

DJ Soup
03-31-2010, 04:33 AM
Berdych is not among my favourite players, but please win this whole thing. You deserve it.

william_renshaw
03-31-2010, 04:34 AM
As for people who think this match is "evidence of the decline of fed", you really don't watch a lot of tennis do you? Canas x2, Volandri, Stepanek, Benneteau, Baghdatis, Karlovic, Tsonga, Simon, Gonzalez, Fish, (as well as Roddick, Murray, nadal, Djokovic) .... all beaten Fed in Masters, in the last few years. Hasn't stopped him winning 16 slams. Just accept it, he doesn't play with 100% focus in Masters. Nobody will care about this when he retires in a few years time.

harrywang5
03-31-2010, 04:35 AM
Thank God the clay season is here!

nateyang
03-31-2010, 04:35 AM
Haha. That's actually very true. I say that happens at the French this year. So many can beat him I feel. But come on. Murray and Novak are doing worse. :devil:

Dream on. Federer was not the absolute best on clay but many of those who can beat him were just horrible there.

guga2120
03-31-2010, 04:36 AM
Congrats to Tomas. What he should have done to him in Australia.

It is great to see the Federer, lose early, again.:)

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 04:36 AM
Tomas didn't even play that well, he played a lot better against Nadal in IW IMO.

Arkulari
03-31-2010, 04:37 AM
Jase, put the TB scores in your siggy ;)

Bibberz
03-31-2010, 04:37 AM
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/7739/95613001.png

freeandlonely
03-31-2010, 04:38 AM
Not just that, he's also doing his best to flush those hopes of getting the no. 1 record down the toilet with results like these. Last year I could understand his poor play at these events when he was still so demoralised from the AO final, but he still had consistent results in them; now he should be riding a confidence high, and instead it's like he's forgotten how to play tennis, at least on the big points.

I guess that still needs a slam stage to prove.

Sjengster
03-31-2010, 04:40 AM
Congrats to Tomas. What he should have done to him in Australia.

It is great to see the Federer, lose early, again.:)

And even better, this idiot gets to have five minutes of glory again salivating over a Federer loss. The humble Czech overcomes the arrogant Swiss, naturelement.

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 04:40 AM
Jase, put the TB scores in your siggy ;)Done :D

MrChopin
03-31-2010, 04:45 AM
Go away for a month, come back, and GM looks incredibly pathetic. Same old scratching for match threads. Then the requisite next-round WWW thread 4 seconds after the online scoreboard reads finished. Then the empty match analysis: "Didn't care", "Done", "Choked", "Fedclown, frauderer, mental midget, expected, NID, Berdshitted, his arrogance lost, eat it ego king...". Then cyrusking goes on and on about how Fed is finally done, he'll no longer support him, and Nadal and Djoko and Murray are too good.

It's damn near enough to put you off your dinner. Fed's probably already eating $2k steaks and chocolate delicacies and Turkish Delight.

All I hope is that Berd releases a shit onto the Pig's face as he flies by him in the finals. Unlikely, but...

Sunset of Age
03-31-2010, 04:45 AM
not sure why federer was so aggressive in the TB. he went for shots that weren't really there.

this looks like 2007 all over again where we have deja vu in both IW and Miami - losing sort of identically being up match point.

Good point mate. :yeah:

-Valhalla-
03-31-2010, 04:45 AM
What the fuck was that? Is Roger brain-dead?

LinkMage
03-31-2010, 04:47 AM
Fedmug better play Monte Carlo now. :mad:

Ilovetheblues_86
03-31-2010, 04:47 AM
Now only Nadal needs to lose to make it interesting again. :p

HarryMan
03-31-2010, 04:48 AM
I am hoping Nadal wins this and puts more pressure on Federer for breaking Sampras's total weeks at number one.

paseo
03-31-2010, 04:51 AM
there goes my wish for a Fedal final :(. hope nando beats berdych next round.

No need to hope. The Fed's curse is already in motion. It's automatic.

leng jai
03-31-2010, 04:51 AM
He got further than Murray, which is what matters.

lazybear
03-31-2010, 04:52 AM
Roger MM "MastersMug" Federror... :lol: Eh, f**k it, you can do whatever you wanna do until you retire, you'll still be the best (for me for sure). Awful third set, really (and i guess match as well), didn't see the first two sets, but Berdych definitely deserved it. Roger's hard court game is just as pathetic right now, than it was last year, this time around. Mishits, constant hesitation, shots and serve come and go, you name it. But luckily, this year, he got the job done in january. On to the dirt!

Sunset of Age
03-31-2010, 04:52 AM
If you can really still believe in that excuse after another defeat like this, then more power to you. I only wish I could.

THIS.

Sri
03-31-2010, 04:54 AM
I called it for Berdych the minute Fed walked out before the match and didn't look like he wanted to be there.

Arkulari
03-31-2010, 04:54 AM
ooh, so cute to see some of the haters coming out of their holes :awww:
NID after a Federer loss :lol:

paseo
03-31-2010, 04:57 AM
"Thank God the hardcourt season is over".

Topspin Forehand
03-31-2010, 05:04 AM
lol at Fed losing to Berdych. What a joke this Federer is.

tektonac
03-31-2010, 05:04 AM
If Roger hasn't proved himself all these years, nobody has and never will.

Arkulari
03-31-2010, 05:08 AM
since there are still two threads...

ooh, so cute to see some of the haters coming out of their holes :awww:
NID after a Federer loss :lol:

freeandlonely
03-31-2010, 05:17 AM
Go to espn and find a job hater, you are very much alike.

chowdahead25
03-31-2010, 05:18 AM
Really epic match. Thought it was one of the best of the year, in terms of drama. 61 errors:eek:

MrChopin
03-31-2010, 05:25 AM
This post serves no other purpose than to give LinkMage much needed vcash.

scarecrows
03-31-2010, 05:29 AM
about time Berdman :yeah:

hilluis
03-31-2010, 05:35 AM
At least Roger admits his game is off.....“My game has issues at the moment. I’m definitely lacking timing. I don’t know where that comes from.” Please win your next round Berdych and dont feel your tournament is over now that you have beaten Federer.

Deivid23
03-31-2010, 05:42 AM
Gotta love it.

Berdych proved lots of things today, certainly became a better player.

Heavily disagree

Roddickominator
03-31-2010, 05:43 AM
Roger obviously tanked to avoid Nadal. He doesn't want to potentially give Rafa any momentum going into the clay season.

JolánGagó
03-31-2010, 05:44 AM
:haha:

pica_pica
03-31-2010, 05:47 AM
:cool: EPIC. And I'm only watching live commentary :eek:
From the pattern of the scoring and the stats, it seems that both are on the edge of choking....
I can't believe Federer lost another match WITH MATCH POINT.....:o
:yeah: Congratulations Berdych...I had been so sure this match will be another AO 09 but he proved me wrong...or rather, Federer choked even more severely than him :tape:

:wavey: Welcome to the Age of Turbulence in which seeds fall like seeds :o

tea
03-31-2010, 05:48 AM
How fucking I love to open MTF in the morning and see the thread title like this.
See you at Roland Garros, Federer. Goodbye till then.:wavey: Have a nice time, tennis, as well.

Mechlan
03-31-2010, 05:51 AM
:rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2:

Streaky match, with both going form muggy to good to excellent and back, but some entertaining parts overall and great drama in the end. Brilliant points by Tomas to save MP and get his own. Keep going :rocker:

This is probably the best post of this thread. 90% of posters seem to know nothing about tennis.

And while I don't think Roger "doesn't care", his mental focus now is pretty sad. The last three games of the first set especially, just horrendous. Berdych played some fabulous points, especially in the second set. Nice to see him not fold.

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 06:23 AM
Well

Onto clay now :sport:

Ibracadabra
03-31-2010, 06:25 AM
Always had a softspot for tomas but his mental fortitude always made me get angry with him, not tonight, how he got to the 2nd set tie break is anyones guess he held three ten minute+ games saving numerous break points.

I tip my hat.

Il Primo Uomo
03-31-2010, 06:42 AM
Wow Fido really doesn't give a flying fuck about M1000 anymore! Oh well, grats Tomas, I was defo NOT expecting this at all :yeah:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
03-31-2010, 07:20 AM
Always nice to see that ego king lose! :lol:
Well done,Tomas! :aparty:

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 07:21 AM
Always had a softspot for tomas but his mental fortitude always made me get angry with him, not tonight, how he got to the 2nd set tie break is anyones guess he held three ten minute+ games saving numerous break points.

I tip my hat.
Agreed, the guy never stopped believing. I guess Tomas was lying when he said earlier this year he's trying to concentrate more on court this year. :lol:

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 07:25 AM
Why aren't the 3 match threads merged?!?! If it were Nadal that lost the mods would have merged them within a minute... :rolleyes:

Fu#k!!!!

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 07:36 AM
xxxJ2_GwPvA

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 07:42 AM
Bump!

tea
03-31-2010, 08:02 AM
^Okay. Now I see it. How much time did the space between points last during that challenge? Like a minute. Berdych should have been defaulted for that.:p

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 08:04 AM
Oh come on, give the guy a break he just missed a FH by the smallest of margins to go MP down :shrug: Credit to Tomas for smiling after that happened tho :o

Ibracadabra
03-31-2010, 08:06 AM
you would think tomas had big balls watching that

Guy Haines
03-31-2010, 08:13 AM
mate you should be ashamed, what kind of fan are you :rolleyes:. He played shit tonight, but he just won a slam a few months ago

What kind of fan is cyrusking? The kind that elassar tells me doesn't care about Federer after cyrusking starts his 100th Nadal complaint thread. And yet here we have it, cyrusking in full-on Chicken Little sky-is-falling mode when Federer loses. :o

This doesn't apply to you, but some of the posts here show why it's so easy to be a Federer fan - when he's winning.

FiBeR
03-31-2010, 08:13 AM
do you ever respect a name linkmug?

Guy Haines
03-31-2010, 08:20 AM
Go away for a month, come back, and GM looks incredibly pathetic. Same old scratching for match threads. Then the requisite next-round WWW thread 4 seconds after the online scoreboard reads finished. Then the empty match analysis: "Didn't care", "Done", "Choked", "Fedclown, frauderer, mental midget, expected, NID, Berdshitted, his arrogance lost, eat it ego king...". Then cyrusking goes on and on about how Fed is finally done, he'll no longer support him, and Nadal and Djoko and Murray are too good.

It's damn near enough to put you off your dinner. Fed's probably already eating $2k steaks and chocolate delicacies and Turkish Delight.

All I hope is that Berd releases a shit onto the Pig's face as he flies by him in the finals. Unlikely, but...

Classy. And not a hint of bitterness, no. Oh how MTF suffers without your infinite superiority.

Nole fan
03-31-2010, 08:23 AM
Top 5 right now sucks. :o

ossie
03-31-2010, 08:24 AM
guess nadal isnt doing that bad eh haters?

Sunset of Age
03-31-2010, 08:41 AM
Top 5 right now sucks. :o

Just like it did from 1928-2003 :rolleyes:

zcess81
03-31-2010, 08:44 AM
I'll always be a fan of Federer. But I am done rooting for him. The guy really doesn't have it mentally anymore. Berdych choked again and again. And Federer couldn't finish the job in yet another tight setter.

So you only root for the guys when they keep winning? What's the point in rooting for someone who keeps winning all the time...back in 2006/2007 what was the point of rooting for Fed? His fans didn't have to break a sweat, it was that certain that he's win 99.9% of his matches. Few years on, he'd older and not as fast as he used to be but still the best player in the world and some of his "fans" don't root for him anymore simply because he's not winning as much he used to in his prime...and we're talking about a guy who last year won FO and Wimbledon and this year Australian...and his fans complain that he doesn't have it mentally anymore. Unreal! If ANY player was as successful as Fed last year/ this year they would still be smiling...to say the least.

Bilbo
03-31-2010, 08:50 AM
what a player this berdych

now win it all, champ :yeah:

Commander Data
03-31-2010, 09:19 AM
Not all that surprising. :mad:

Fed's form is shit since his lay-off. nothing new...I will probably find some form in the clay season and do some serious damage again come RG and Wimbledon.

But yeah, I agree, pretty disappointing for the fans that he keeps on giving these matches away in master events. :o:o:o

oematoema
03-31-2010, 09:40 AM
:haha:

He had enough of this hardcourt whacking, time to move to the gravel courts...

samanosuke
03-31-2010, 09:54 AM
Why he need this kind of shame ?? Rather stay at home if you don't mean serious . He is on a good way to become a clown

Tutu
03-31-2010, 09:56 AM
AMAZING! Didn't get to see it but fucking amazing. I knew he would do it and i'm so effin' proud. :bowdown:


Seems like the ATP is slowly moving in the direction of the WTA top-5 wise. :haha:

I'm crying :( And Nando next, I really can't watch that, so congrats to whoever wins that :o
:bowdown: Fucking amazing. :sobbing:



I have a non-Djokovic/Nadal fave in the semis of a masters. :yeah:

Guille.
03-31-2010, 10:02 AM
Tomas:bowdown:

Mateya
03-31-2010, 10:07 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Federror, I know you don't care about anything anymore except Grand slams and I understand it (lack of motivation)...but please stop producing these kind of chokes and disgraceful performaces, you are making ATP look bad and what's even worse, making WTA look good. :tape:

And he's also making people like Verdasco, Berdych, PHM look like a mental giants which is actualy very nice :) Two matches lost in two weeks after having MPs, that's quite a feat. :worship:

the graduate
03-31-2010, 10:24 AM
he tanked he just wanted to lose and go home to his babies..

samanosuke
03-31-2010, 10:28 AM
Words can't convey how wonderful it is to stay up till 5am for the second time in as many weeks, to watch Federer waste a matchpoint for the second time in as many weeks, and lose another tight match he should have won for the second time in as many weeks.




:worship:

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 10:30 AM
No threads yet?? :confused: :eek:

thedesertsun
03-31-2010, 10:34 AM
No threads yet?? :confused: :eek:
:confused:

You're the fourth :haha:

Eden
03-31-2010, 10:41 AM
Tomas, you better not go the same way as Marcos in Indian Wells and not lose your next match after a victory against Roger :kiss:

Roger, thanks God the hardcourt season is over, right?

Good luck with practicing for the next tournaments.

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 10:42 AM
I think it was not a bad match from Fed all in all, credit to Berdych for having made the most of it.

On to the clay now champ :cool:

RIboy
03-31-2010, 10:50 AM
When I grow up I wanna be Berdych :worship::worship::worship:

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 10:52 AM
This one still needs to be merged ;) :o

king_roger
03-31-2010, 10:55 AM
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/7739/95613001.png

Fantastic bp conversion, as usual :o

tea
03-31-2010, 10:57 AM
I will name my son after Berdych :worship::worship::worship:

tea
03-31-2010, 11:07 AM
P. Antonius should be elected as a mod. I see he's the only one who cares about the order in here.:shrug:

Voo de Mar
03-31-2010, 11:11 AM
Wow :eek: I wish I didn't see this match :(

Eden
03-31-2010, 11:12 AM
Wow :eek: I wish I didn't see this match :(

Why? You could see 2 TB's Voo :p

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 11:15 AM
Glad to be proven wrong on this, but Berdman tried to shit his pants. As good as this win is, it counts for shit as he can't beat Federer in the big events.

Mungo
03-31-2010, 11:19 AM
The Miami crowd sucks.

agreed! it's really pathetic to cheer for Berdych's unforced errors when the dude is giving his all to earn the win of his life!!! Ahh typical Fedtards...happy end :devil:

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 11:22 AM
agreed! it's really pathetic to cheer for Berdych's unforced errors when the dude is giving his all to earn the win of his life!!! Ahh typical Fedtards...happy end :devil:

Everybody cheers for the GOAT :shrug:

Eden
03-31-2010, 11:24 AM
As good as this win is, it counts for shit as he can't beat Federer in the big events.

This win could open him a good run at the tournament (though I won't be surprised if he would lose in the next round), therefore I think the victory means much for him. It's always an important victory when you have won against the #1. But of course you are right that a victory in a GS match is more significant.

Voo de Mar
03-31-2010, 11:24 AM
Why? You could see 2 TB's Voo :p

Honestly, I thought Roger would win once again something like 7-6 6-4, I think he had huge mental advantage over Berdych, especially in tight moments. It's tough to understand he missed match point on serve! I've just seen fragments of the match on atptennis.com, unfortunately no MP for Fed there.

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 11:26 AM
This win could open him a good run at the tournament (though I won't be surprised if he would lose in the next round), therefore I think the victory means much for him. It's always an important victory when you have won against the #1. But of course you are right that a victory in a GS match is more significant.

Berdych has already won a TMS. In the scheme of things it means shit really, look at Ducky he has had a couple of wins against Federer outside a Slam. The Wimbledon final last year with that volley sums up the difference and Berdych bought the pink dress out after leading 2 sets to 0 against Fed in Melbourne.

oranges
03-31-2010, 11:29 AM
Honestly, I thought Roger would win once again something like 7-6 6-4, I think he had huge mental advantage over Berdych, especially in tight moments. It's tough to understand he missed match point on serve! I've just seen fragments of the match on atptennis.com, unfortunately no MP for Fed there.

Certinfy posted the clip of the entire last TB a page before this one

dombrfc
03-31-2010, 11:31 AM
That matchpoint point for fed was laughable

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 11:32 AM
So you only root for the guys when they keep winning?

Don't take cyrusking seriously.

habibko
03-31-2010, 11:33 AM
Honestly, I thought Roger would win once again something like 7-6 6-4, I think he had huge mental advantage over Berdych, especially in tight moments. It's tough to understand he missed match point on serve! I've just seen fragments of the match on atptennis.com, unfortunately no MP for Fed there.

Federer is the only #1 in history that lost 2 matches in 2 consecutive tournaments after having at least 1 match point, is this possible to confirm Voo? :lol:

a new record set by the GOAT :worship:

habibko
03-31-2010, 11:34 AM
G0MolR__Enk

malisha
03-31-2010, 11:35 AM
expected one

good recovery in the TB Tomaš

Mungo
03-31-2010, 11:36 AM
Everybody cheers for the GOAT :shrug:

Not everybody, his fanatics! If you're a real tennis fan you gotta give credit to the other guy, especially if he is the underdog and he is playing well! Fedtards are Federer fanatics, not real tennis fans!

heya
03-31-2010, 11:37 AM
Yea, cheer really loudly when the opponent's injured or double faults. Welcome to humble Fed fanboyland.

oranges
03-31-2010, 11:37 AM
Berdych has already won a TMS. In the scheme of things it means shit really, look at Ducky he has had a couple of wins against Federer outside a Slam. The Wimbledon final last year with that volley sums up the difference and Berdych bought the pink dress out after leading 2 sets to 0 against Fed in Melbourne.

It means adding confidence, momentum and points. As far as slams go, his lone QF was a while ago. Making it more of a regular occurrence and going deeper would be a good start. It's not as if it's strictly about Federer. Getting some nice wins elsewhere certainly doesn't hurt

enzogiovanni
03-31-2010, 11:39 AM
Roger has mono. That's the only possible explanation when he loses. http://forum.hr/images/smilies/kava.gif

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 11:40 AM
Not everybody, his fanatics! If you're a real tennis fan you gotta give credit to the other guy, especially if he is the underdog and he is playing well! Fedtards are Federer fanatics, not real tennis fans!

Casual fans are interested in legends, not journeymen, that's the way the world goes :hug:

Voo de Mar
03-31-2010, 11:40 AM
Federer is the only #1 in history that lost 2 matches in 2 consecutive tournaments after having at least 1 match point, is this possible to confirm Voo? :lol:

No :p Kuerten lost those matches in back to back tournaments (Australian Open, Mexico City 2000) but he wasn't No. 1 in that moment, became No. 1 later that year. Probably no other No. 1 lost those 2 matches being on the top, it happens very rarely in general.
Clement is the only player whom I know, who lost MP matches in three consecutive tournaments.

heya
03-31-2010, 11:45 AM
Not everybody, his fanatics! If you're a real tennis fan you gotta give credit to the other guy, especially if he is the underdog and he is playing well! Fedtards are Federer fanatics, not real tennis fans!
Fedfanboy thinks it's an insult to Fed because anyone dares to win more matches than him, with no real talent & personality of Fed. Don't hurt their fantasy land where the world revolves around them. They get defensive & try to get other fan groups to call you a troll & remove your opinions.

habibko
03-31-2010, 11:50 AM
No :p Kuerten lost those matches in back to back tournaments (Australian Open, Mexico City 2000) but he wasn't No. 1 in that moment, became No. 1 later that year. Probably no other No. 1 lost those 2 matches being on the top, it happens very rarely in general.
Clement is the only player whom I know, who lost MP matches in three consecutive tournaments.

so until proven otherwise Fed holds the record for an active #1 :devil: thanks alot man :yeah: :D

MariaV
03-31-2010, 11:52 AM
Roger has mono. That's the only possible explanation when he loses. http://forum.hr/images/smilies/kava.gif

He has a pulmonrary disease now he got in Africa. :awww:

habibko
03-31-2010, 11:52 AM
Fedfanboy thinks it's an insult to Fed because anyone dares to win more matches than him, with no real talent & personality of Fed. Don't hurt their fantasy land where the world revolves around them. They get defensive & try to get other fan groups to call you a troll & remove your opinions.

5–7, 7–6(6), 7–6(5), 3–6, 16–14.

:D

Bilbo
03-31-2010, 11:52 AM
was berdych always this popular around here or just because he beat federer?

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 11:53 AM
It means adding confidence, momentum and points. As far as slams go, his lone QF was a while ago. Making it more of a regular occurrence and going deeper would be a good start. It's not as if it's strictly about Federer. Getting some nice wins elsewhere certainly doesn't hurt

Yo-yoing between 10-20, the odd good result will win a title somewhere this year, but more than likely to still make 3rd and 4th rounds at GS events without threatening.

He has beaten a top player for a very long time, and his record against the top 10 is still way below where it should be.

TheWall
03-31-2010, 11:54 AM
Fedfanboy thinks it's an insult to Fed because anyone dares to win more matches than him, with no real talent & personality of Fed. Don't hurt their fantasy land where the world revolves around them. They get defensive & try to get other fan groups to call you a troll & remove your opinions.

It's offtopic but I'll have to ask anway. Are you in a bad mood 24/7?

Eden
03-31-2010, 11:55 AM
Honestly, I thought Roger would win once again something like 7-6 6-4, I think he had huge mental advantage over Berdych, especially in tight moments. It's tough to understand he missed match point on serve! I've just seen fragments of the match on atptennis.com, unfortunately no MP for Fed there.

I didn't stayed up for this match either and haven't seen any highlights of it so far, I just read about it.

Roger has a mental advantage over any player on the tour apart from Rafa, but that doesn't stop him from losing here and there ;)

Berdych has already won a TMS. In the scheme of things it means shit really, look at Ducky he has had a couple of wins against Federer outside a Slam. The Wimbledon final last year with that volley sums up the difference and Berdych bought the pink dress out after leading 2 sets to 0 against Fed in Melbourne.

All this is true, but just remember what a victory against Roger in the TMC meant for Muzza when he beat him there in 2008 and even admitted that a victory against him would be more important as to win the title. Muzza paid a high price for the hard fought RR match against Roger.

Federer is the only #1 in history that lost 2 matches in 2 consecutive tournaments after having at least 1 match point, is this possible to confirm Voo? :lol:

a new record set by the GOAT :worship:

I already wrote about that in Roger's forum as well :lol:

Roger has mono. That's the only possible explanation when he loses. http://forum.hr/images/smilies/kava.gif

Wrong.

Voo de Mar
03-31-2010, 11:57 AM
The most ridiculous circumstance - Berdych's first win after saving MP since Wimbledon 2006 :o

shotgun
03-31-2010, 12:01 PM
Finally! :worship: I'd rather have that win in Australia, but still...

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 12:03 PM
Finally! :worship: I'd rather have that win in Australia, but still...

Bilbo loving it, only waiting since 2004 for another win.

heya
03-31-2010, 12:05 PM
It's offtopic but I'll have to ask anway. Are you in a bad mood 24/7?

It's embarrassing that the Fed fanboys think you're hurt if his scores are shown. It only hurts if you feel his tears running down his cheeks. Only Fed fanboys live through him & worry about his records. They think his backhand's 1 of the best shots of all time.

Bilbo
03-31-2010, 12:07 PM
Bilbo loving it, only waiting since 2004 for another win.

it has taken him only 6 years. other people make their professor in this time :lol: what a player this berdych ;)

seriously now, i love how people are overreacting just because he beat fed by 1 point. we will see if berdych can win the title here because with this performance he usually should and how good he will perform in the upcoming slams.

TheWall
03-31-2010, 12:13 PM
It's embarrassing that the Fed fanboys think you're hurt if his scores are shown. It only hurts if you feel his tears running down his cheeks. Only Fed fanboys live through him & worry about his records. They think his backhand's 1 of the best shots of all time.

There are lots of tools on this board, cheering for different players. But that's not what I meant.

I was curious when I saw that you joined here back in 2002 so I checked your posting history. Almost all of them are so negative, time to cheer up, don't you think?

Black Adam
03-31-2010, 12:14 PM
I think competitive tennis is the winner today.

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 12:14 PM
it has taken him only 6 years. other people make their professor in this time :lol: what a player this berdych ;)

seriously now, i love how people are overreacting just because he beat fed by 1 point. we will see if berdych can win the title here because with this performance he usually should and how good he will perform in the upcoming slams.

Not in Germany aren't there people studying for 10 years :p

As you know I like Berdych, but yes there is an overreaction for sure in the overall scheme of things. Yes, it's good for him he won, but has to back it up in the Slams.

enzogiovanni
03-31-2010, 12:18 PM
He has a pulmonrary disease now he got in Africa. :awww:
Oh, my bad. Anyway, he was sick, that is why he lost. Silly me. http://forum.hr/images/smilies/kava.gif


Wrong.
Read the post above and try not to eat your liver. http://forum.hr/images/smilies/kava.gif

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 12:20 PM
How the 2nd set went to a TB was beyond me, could have easily been a 6-1 set or something for Federer.

And in the 3rd set TB, the points at *5-4 and *5-5 for Tomas were so heart breaking :bigcry:

oranges
03-31-2010, 12:21 PM
Yo-yoing between 10-20, the odd good result will win a title somewhere this year, but more than likely to still make 3rd and 4th rounds at GS events without threatening.

He has beaten a top player for a very long time, and his record against the top 10 is still way below where it should be.

I'm not sure why you see this as so totally irrelevant. He's been playing well lately, showed some resilience he hasn't in the past years, added a big win yesterday, perhaps he won't be yo-yoing. I'd also add that that line of yours I stole "variety doesn't mean from which side to smack it harder" or something to that effect is not nearly as applicable for a while. It doesn't necessarily have to be a dramatic career changing win, but it's definitely a boost at the right time. It should reflect on slam results as well.

LocoPorElTenis
03-31-2010, 12:24 PM
Why are people surprised? We've known for a long time that Federer only cares about the slams.

Harmless
03-31-2010, 12:25 PM
Spring just started, it's Miami, Rafa is back in the locker room on tour, looking very handsome and all...
It's an understandable loss really, I can forgive it. :p

Great strategy Tomas, effective body serve, is effective. :lol:
The more focused player won, no surprise there.


I didn't stayed up for this match either and haven't seen any highlights of it so far, I just read about it.

Roger has a mental advantage over any player on the tour apart from Rafa, but that doesn't stop him from losing here and there ;)

All this is true, but just remember what a victory against Roger in the TMC meant for Muzza when he beat him there in 2008 and even admitted that a victory against him would be more important as to win the title. Muzza paid a high price for the hard fought RR match against Roger.

Exactly, and there are many similar examples.

I love your new avatar, Doris, btw. And the title, too. :worship: :(

malisha
03-31-2010, 12:31 PM
I'm not sure why you see this as so totally irrelevant. He's been playing well lately, showed some resilience he hasn't in the past years, added a big win yesterday, perhaps he won't be yo-yoing. I'd also add that that line of yours I stole "variety doesn't mean from which side to smack it harder" or something to that effect is not nearly as applicable for a while. It doesn't necessarily have to be a dramatic career changing win, but it's definitely a boost at the right time. It should reflect on slam results as well.

doubt it oranges

big win here yes but he is not 18 any more when every match changes you as a player and a man much more than later
he will still play nice attacking tennis while chokes on a big stage and its nothing to be shamed about
tennis needs players like Tomaš

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 12:31 PM
All this is true, but just remember what a victory against Roger in the TMC meant for Muzza when he beat him there in 2008 and even admitted that a victory against him would be more important as to win the title. Muzza paid a high price for the hard fought RR match against Roger.


Different players and different stages of their careers, just cause what happens to Murray doesn't mean Berdych will have the same impact on him.

heya
03-31-2010, 12:37 PM
Almost all of them are so negative, time to cheer up, don't you think?
I don't type smilies everywhere, that's why you read it seriously. You have to admit that the attitude of the players annoy the tennis fans. Add to that, not all your posts are approved on this forum, but bad posts are sometimes allowed.

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 12:38 PM
I'm not sure why you see this as so totally irrelevant. He's been playing well lately, showed some resilience he hasn't in the past years, added a big win yesterday, perhaps he won't be yo-yoing. I'd also add that that line of yours I stole "variety doesn't mean from which side to smack it harder" or something to that effect is not nearly as applicable for a while. It doesn't necessarily have to be a dramatic career changing win, but it's definitely a boost at the right time. It should reflect on slam results as well.

False dawn. Yes, he even hit shots with topspin yesterday and they were actually purposeful. Berdych is consistent in being inconsistent.

Baghdatis72
03-31-2010, 12:39 PM
Roger lost 3 times this year. Once to Davydenko, once to Baghdatis and once to Berdych. They are not exactly the worse players on tour and he lost match points in the last two matches. He's just going through a bad patch in a period of the tour where he hasn't actually played really well for a few years now (between AO and clay season). Also after screwing it up many times, a lot of his opponents actually managed to believe they can beat him and played with balls for a change (something only Nadal used to do regularly) which made it harder for him to get away with it.

He's a human too and after so many years it's natural for something like this to happen. However, since we know Federer it's quite likely that he will regroup and return with a punch in the near future to reestablish his throne once again (at least for a while longer).

oranges
03-31-2010, 12:39 PM
doubt it oranges

big win here yes but he is not 18 any more when every match changes you as a player and a man much more than later
he will still play nice attacking tennis while chokes on a big stage and its nothing to be shamed about
tennis needs players like Tomaš

You honestly don't see him going past 4th round?

duong
03-31-2010, 12:46 PM
Bad bad match, not like the one against Baghdatis.

He looked sleepy all week and he couldn't do anything in this tournament playing that bad.

He says he will practice but he had already said that after his loss in Indian Wells and he played far worse in Miami :lol:

I think his extra-court life has not been suitable last weeks, to explain that he's that slow and sleepy :rolleyes:

Maybe one of his children had a problem or something :shrug:

Berdych vs Verdasco will be interesting as Verdasco played very well yesterday but doesn't like playing Berdych.

jcempire
03-31-2010, 12:53 PM
It's time for Fed to think about retired

TheWall
03-31-2010, 12:56 PM
I don't type smilies everywhere, that's why you read it seriously. You have to admit that the attitude of the players annoy the tennis fans. Add to that, not all your posts are approved on this forum, but bad posts are sometimes allowed.

It's not about smiles. There just seems to be bitterness in so many of your posts, but maybe that's just your writing style.

Bad posts are obviously allowed, otherwise GM would be almost emtpy.

TheWall
03-31-2010, 12:56 PM
It's time for Fed to think about retired
Again?

electronicmusic
03-31-2010, 12:58 PM
It's time for Fed to think about retired

True, as number one. :)

habibko
03-31-2010, 12:58 PM
It's time for Fed to think about retired

yes the current holder of 3 GS titles and the final of the last should definitely retire, he can't possibly sink any deeper.

Eden
03-31-2010, 01:00 PM
I love your new avatar, Doris, btw. And the title, too. :worship: :(

Maya :hug: Seems you are in slash mood again? :angel:

Different players and different stages of their careers, just cause what happens to Murray doesn't mean Berdych will have the same impact on him.

I didn't wanted to compare both of their careers, just to point out that a victory against the #1 player is important for any player.

Roger lost 3 times this year. Once to Davydenko, once to Baghdatis and once to Berdych. They are not exactly the worse players on tour and he lost match points in the last two matches. He's just going through a bad patch in a period of the tour where he hasn't actually played really well for a few years now (between AO and clay season).

Well said :yeah:


He says he will practice but he had already said that after his loss in Indian Wells and he played far worse in Miami :lol:


There's not that much time between Indian Wells and Miami to really work on the game ;)

stebs
03-31-2010, 01:06 PM
Berdych has already won a TMS. In the scheme of things it means shit really, look at Ducky he has had a couple of wins against Federer outside a Slam. The Wimbledon final last year with that volley sums up the difference and Berdych bought the pink dress out after leading 2 sets to 0 against Fed in Melbourne.

:lol: It means shit to you because you as a fan evidently ONLY care about slams. He hasn't done anything on that level for what, 4 and a half years? Actually I think it would mean a hell of a lot to Berdych to win another title on this scale and it probably wouldn't bother him that you weren't impressed.

duong
03-31-2010, 01:06 PM
There's not that much time between Indian Wells and Miami to really work on the game ;)

He had even less time before Indian Wells, yet he played better there.

Anyway I only say his words ;)

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 01:16 PM
:lol: It means shit to you because you as a fan evidently ONLY care about slams. He hasn't done anything on that level for what, 4 and a half years? Actually I think it would mean a hell of a lot to Berdych to win another title on this scale and it probably wouldn't bother him that you weren't impressed.

It's simple whether it's right or wrong, the players are judged what they do in the Slams. If they weren't judged on how they performed in the biggest events over a sustained period of time, then Auckland would be the same as Barcelona, which would then be the same as Shanghai and not any different from RG, AO, Wimbledon or the US Open.

So you think Söderling having that great run at RG and stopping Nadal's streak would be equal if he stopped it at Monte Carlo or Barcelona?

star
03-31-2010, 01:24 PM
Federer will bounce back in the Slams. The Slam format is kind to an aging champion. When he bombs out early in a slam, then there's something to talk about. Federer most likely has trouble motivating himself for what he must consider rather minor irritating tournaments that he's required to play. He'll get more TMS titles than Agassi before he retires, and really that's all he cares about. He just wants to hold all the records when he retires and that's not going to be for 5 or 6 years. He's doing pretty good for a guy who's nearly 29.

stebs
03-31-2010, 01:26 PM
It's simple whether it's right or wrong, the players are judged what they do in the Slams. If they weren't judged on how they performed in the biggest events over a sustained period of time, then Auckland would be the same as Barcelona, which would then be the same as Shanghai and not any different from RG, AO, Wimbledon or the US Open.
No idea what your babbling about here. All I'm saying is it would be very important to Berdych's career if he won another AMS. The very top players are only going to be judged by what they did in the slams but what matters for Berdych is not the same as what matters for Federer. It's not like Berdych is a consistent challenger for slams is it? These tournaments are pretty much the biggest ones he has a realistic shot at winning and if he could grab another it would be massive for him.

So you think Söderling having that great run at RG and stopping Nadal's streak would be equal if he stopped it at Monte Carlo or Barcelona?
So you think this question has any relevance to what I posted?

Johnny Groove
03-31-2010, 01:32 PM
Good quality match to watch. The Winner/UE ration won't tell so, but I thought it was enthralling from start to finish.

Great win for Berdych who will surely lose to Nando now.

Roger just wants to play on clay now.

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 01:32 PM
No idea what your babbling about here. All I'm saying is it would be very important to Berdych's career if he won another AMS. The very top players are only going to be judged by what they did in the slams but what matters for Berdych is not the same as what matters for Federer. It's not like Berdych is a consistent challenger for slams is it? These tournaments are pretty much the biggest ones he has a realistic shot at winning and if he could grab another it would be massive for him.

You wanted to be a smart arse and say I only care about the Slams, when the facts are if Berdych beats Federer in a GS then it would mean more doing it on the bigger stage, where he had his chance to do so. The Söderling reference was breaking a drought against an opponent who had his number and he did it on the biggest stage.

It's not like Berdych is like Benji Becker where he should be content with 3rd and 4th round performances at GS level. He has already won a TMS event, but he has had time to improve his results at that level, will he win a Slam not likely, but it's a strange game.

Ariadne
03-31-2010, 01:33 PM
Federer will bounce back in the Slams. The Slam format is kind to an aging champion. When he bombs out early in a slam, then there's something to talk about. Federer most likely has trouble motivating himself for what he must consider rather minor irritating tournaments that he's required to play. He'll get more TMS titles than Agassi before he retires, and really that's all he cares about. He just wants to hold all the records when he retires and that's not going to be for 5 or 6 years. He's doing pretty good for a guy who's nearly 29.

Sanest post in this thread.

thrust
03-31-2010, 01:33 PM
I'll always be a fan of Federer. But I am done rooting for him. The guy really doesn't have it mentally anymore. Berdych choked again and again. And Federer couldn't finish the job in yet another tight setter.

Though I am not an avid Fed Fan and am thrilled that Berdych won, all this talk of choking, Fed being done, is just silly. No matter how great a player is, there will be days he is not at his best. As he gets older, Roger will have more days like this. Get used to it Fed fans!

stebs
03-31-2010, 01:39 PM
You wanted to be a smart arse and say I only care about the Slams, when the facts are if Berdych beats Federer in a GS then it would mean more doing it on the bigger stage, where he had his chance to do so. The Söderling reference was breaking a drought against an opponent who had his number and he did it on the biggest stage.
Of course it would matter MORE in a slam but your post stated that an AMS win wouldn't be significant for Berdych's career. This is plainly not true.

It's not a case of wanting to be a smart arse AJ, it's just what's the point of you commenting on these matches if you don't give a shit about anything which isn't over five sets? Clearly you are very cynical which influences your perception of these events and how much they matter but it's all relative. They matter as much as the players care about them and actually I think it would be important for all the players in the draw to win this title at this stage. Even a 6 slam champ in Nadal has been 11 months without a title and so it would be important for him even. It takes a HUGELY succesful player to not care about the AMS results. The thing is, there is a distinction between what matters in the long term and in the short term. If you don't give a shit about the things which only matter in the short term then fine, but don't get worked up just because most of the players and most of the fans do.

marcRD
03-31-2010, 01:49 PM
This match was hilarious, Federer played great at moments and there were moments I could hardly belive what I was seeing, it was absolutely horrible at times. Federer choked more badly than against Baghy, in every important point in the match he played bad and could only break Berdych with help from a double fault. Even the Federer slice was horrible, he missed so many as I have ever seen him miss.

Berdych fought good and still kind of deserved the victory. Federer, who cares? It is a master series, he can rest until the next grand slam.

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 01:59 PM
Of course it would matter MORE in a slam but your post stated that an AMS win wouldn't be significant for Berdych's career. This is plainly not true.

It counts for nowt, if he doesn't build on it for the rest of the season. He might do that or he might revert back to his inconsistency.

It's not a case of wanting to be a smart arse AJ, it's just what's the point of you commenting on these matches if you don't give a shit about anything which isn't over five sets? Clearly you are very cynical which influences your perception of these events and how much they matter but it's all relative. They matter as much as the players care about them and actually I think it would be important for all the players in the draw to win this title at this stage.

So I can't comment on a match that I watched about a player that I like and have for some time, for what reason exactly. Because I'd like to see Berdych do well and perform at a consistent level eventually, so that makes me cynical because I choose not to go over the top from this win.

Each case is different, so did I piss on Ljubo winning a TMS, because it wasn't over 5 sets.

Even a 6 slam champ in Nadal has been 11 months without a title and so it would be important for him even. It takes a HUGELY succesful player to not care about the AMS results.

Nadal hasn't won anything for a long time, but just as their different levels of tournaments, there are different levels of caring for events or would you dispute this as well?

The thing is, there is a distinction between what matters in the long term and in the short term. If you don't give a shit about the things which only matter in the short term then fine, but don't get worked up just because most of the players and most of the fans do

Ok, Federer is washed up and Berdych is the future, is that better now?

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03-31-2010, 02:01 PM
Just very happy for Tomas today. Great win! :hearts:

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 02:04 PM
The quality of the 3rd set TB was crazy compared to the rest of the match, and fuck the crowd :o

Luinir
03-31-2010, 02:05 PM
Roger :spit:

stebs
03-31-2010, 02:07 PM
It counts for nowt, if he doesn't build on it for the rest of the season. He might do that or he might revert back to his inconsistency.
Well here we can agree to disagree. Big acheivements matter. If Berdych wins this tournament, it is important to his career. Full stop. Maybe you disagree but the sport is based on acheivements and that's why Berdych would be getting lauded more highly if he won this than Verdasco did last year despite the Spainard having a very consistent year.

So I can't comment on a match that I watched about a player that I like and have for some time, for what reason exactly. Because I'd like to see Berdych do well and perform at a consistent level eventually, so that makes me cynical because I choose not to go over the top from this win.
You are entitled to comment but for the most part you don't post anything other than to say how none of it matters anyway, that is what I think is a shame.

Each case is different, so did I piss on Ljubo winning a TMS, because it wasn't over 5 sets.
Did you piss on him? I hope not but it's really none of my business how Ljubo chooses to celebrate victory.

Nadal hasn't won anything for a long time, but just as their different levels of tournaments, there are different levels of caring for events or would you dispute this as well?
No I totally agree.

Ok, Federer is washed up and Berdych is the future, is that better now?
:lol: The whole point of my attacking your first post was that I thought you were simplifying matters (i.e. slams matter completely, everything else doesn't matter at all). Now we have come full circle and you are accusing me of simplifying but in a different way. No, of course this result doesn't have huge implications for Berdych and for Federer the implications are almost non-existent. However, Berdych hopefully will take something and anyway, the discussion was about the possibility of Berdych winning the event, not just this one match. Anyway, Berdych certainly isn't the future and of course you didn't seriously think I was implying anything of the sort but decided to post this anyway. Only you can say why.

Enough probably, maybe I got you wrong, but the only major disagreements I have with your anlysis is that winning an AMS is not important for a player of Berdych's level (it plainly is imo).

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03-31-2010, 02:15 PM
I think many people here are being rather ungracious towards Berdych. The crowd were awfully one-sided tonight, some people even screaming at least twice when Berdych was about to hit a mid-court putaway. He showed mental strength today which he has never shown before. A few months ago he would have lost the 3rd set 6-0 or 6-1.
The crowd was terrible! I hope Tomas was so focused that he didn't notice. :(

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 02:20 PM
People bitching about the crowds don't seem to bitch anytime a local gets huge support, they only bitch when they back up the best ever... :o

Action Jackson
03-31-2010, 02:21 PM
Well here we can agree to disagree. Big acheivements matter. If Berdych wins this tournament, it is important to his career. Full stop. Maybe you disagree but the sport is based on acheivements and that's why Berdych would be getting lauded more highly if he won this than Verdasco did last year despite the Spainard having a very consistent year.

The Toad got a lot of love from beating Nadal and has been fairly consistent after that, so it's possible to achieve. As for Berdych winning this event, he has to stop the letdown first of all, but that is too cynical.

You are entitled to comment but for the most part you don't post anything other than to say how none of it matters anyway, that is what I think is a shame.

It's good that he won, how many times do I need to say it, but as for being a shame not really. All it showed that it's a funny game, he played better against Nadal in Indian Wells than in this match and got done there, only got to better on the day.

Did you piss on him? I hope not but it's really none of my business how Ljubo chooses to celebrate victory.

I meant piss on his achievements, not whether Ljubo likes water sports.

As for my last point it was quite clear, because I choose not to overreact to a certain result this must mean I am cynical and therefore I am just following the trend of writing off Federer or any top player once they have a surprising loss.

schorsch
03-31-2010, 02:24 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blick.ch%2Fsport%2Ftennis%2Fdie-ganze-familie-war-krank-143809&sl=de&tl=en

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03-31-2010, 02:56 PM
People bitching about the crowds don't seem to bitch anytime a local gets huge support, they only bitch when they back up the best ever... :o

I think that's terrible, too. Especially cheering for the other guy's UE, etc.. Happens a lot at the local tourney where I live b/c most causal fans don't know anyone outside of American tennis, Roger and Rafa. :o

tangerine_dream
03-31-2010, 03:19 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blick.ch%2Fsport%2Ftennis%2Fdie-ganze-familie-war-krank-143809&sl=de&tl=en

Roger Federer's second round of Key Biscayne excreted.
:lol: I love Google translator.

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 03:24 PM
I can't help but feel this is Tomas' worst performance physically since his AO loss and yet he won, shows what mentality does for this guy :o

optimism
03-31-2010, 03:24 PM
Very proud for Berdych! I thought he was going to get tight in the end but he toughed it out and went for broke.

I am a big Fed fan but Berdych needs this! Hope this win can carry him a long way. Yesterday I couldn't decide who I want roger lose to..Berdych or Soderling (as if it were up to me, LOL) Is there any small tournament that roger and soderling both enters before RG? Maybe Robin can get a win there LOL.

As to roger, I think he's mentally tired..Not that he doesn't care. he wants to perform but he just can't. Maybe it's a good thing that he got those losses out of his system. Who knows.

Schu
03-31-2010, 03:58 PM
Didn't think Berdych had it in him but the last few points of the tiebreak were a Berdych, rarely (if ever) seen. Good job Tomas!

All the Federer doesn't care talk is crazy - sure he might not be nearly as motivated as he once was but if he didn't care why did he even bother to step up his game and drag it out to 3 sets. Fed is in a different place in his life now - 2 little kids which can mentally drain ANYONE, even Jesus Fed. I'm sure his training is disrupted, no matter how many nannies he has. ANd he is getting older so put all this together and it is inevitable that there will be more and more times that Federer can't just turn on the switch and pull out a win when not playing well and there will be more and more times that he doesn't play well. Hell he's still #1 he just doesn't win EVERY match anymore.

As a fan who admires Federer's game but not him so much, I enjoy a tournament much more when I don't know who the finalists are going to be. Was pretty tired of the Fed-Nadal finals.

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03-31-2010, 04:02 PM
Didn't think Berdych had it in him but the last few points of the tiebreak were a Berdych, rarely (if ever) seen. Good job Tomas!

All the Federer doesn't care talk is crazy - sure he might not be nearly as motivated as he once was but if he didn't care why did he even bother to step up his game and drag it out to 3 sets. Fed is in a different place in his life now - 2 little kids which can mentally drain ANYONE, even Jesus Fed. I'm sure his training is disrupted, no matter how many nannies he has. ANd he is getting older so put all this together and it is inevitable that there will be more and more times that Federer can't just turn on the switch and pull out a win when not playing well and there will be more and more times that he doesn't play well. Hell he's still #1 he just doesn't win EVERY match anymore.

As a fan who admires Federer's game but not him so much, I enjoy a tournament much more when I don't know who the finalists are going to be. Was pretty tired of the Fed-Nadal finals.

What an excellent post!

Guy Haines
03-31-2010, 04:13 PM
The Toad got a lot of love from beating Nadal and has been fairly consistent after that, so it's possible to achieve. As for Berdych winning this event, he has to stop the letdown first of all, but that is too cynical.

Refresh my memory, who has the RG 09 fixation? This is the 2nd or 3rd time you've mentioned it in this thread. Time's running out, I guess.

Tomas is a lot like his girlfriend - when the game's on, it's awesome to behold. But that big-swinging Czech style sometimes goes way outside the lines. He did show some new mental fortitude (after choking) last night and his results have been solid as of late so who knows. He's done well on clay before and reached the semis of Wimbledon. I just know Lucie can play like a top 3 player one week and top 100 the next. Tomas is a more solid version of that erratic kind of play.

And yeah, the crowd was creepy.

Arkulari
03-31-2010, 04:15 PM
wishing anyone's kids an illness is such an honorable thing :rolleyes:

the twins are teething, but it doesn't have to do anything with Roger's performance, which he pretty much resumed himself:

Look, I never felt great the whole night. I just fought with what I had. I knew it was gonna be a tough third set, because thank God he wasn't in too many of my service games in the second set, which made it a bit easier for me to relax and concentrate on the return games.
But, look, I had tons of chances at the end. Match point was my serve, I mean, what more can I do? I tried everything I could. It's just not happening for me at the moment.

gulzhan
03-31-2010, 04:16 PM
This feels so good :drool:

Bravo, Berdych! :yeah: The last 3 points were absolutely perfect :worship:

Certinfy
03-31-2010, 04:18 PM
Agreed! When Tomas and Lucie are on they are both unplayable, shame they are hardly ever 'on' :o

bokehlicious
03-31-2010, 04:24 PM
I think that's terrible, too. Especially cheering for the other guy's UE, etc.. Happens a lot at the local tourney where I live b/c most causal fans don't know anyone outside of American tennis, Roger and Rafa. :o

Of course it's terrible, but people/haters make it look like it only happens to Roger :rolleyes:

nsidhan
03-31-2010, 05:20 PM
Fed was in a similar position last year and he won French Open and Wimbledon. So no need to panic yet.

star
03-31-2010, 05:24 PM
wishing anyone's kids an illness is such an honorable thing :rolleyes:

the twins are teething, but it doesn't have to do anything with Roger's performance, which he pretty much resumed himself:

Teething can be really nasty for some children. And remember there was an ear infection as well. Also Mirka was sick at the same time.

FSRteam
03-31-2010, 06:25 PM
I have just looked at federer's record in 3 sets matches for 2003-2010. As many peoples have pointed out, fed's been very bad in 3 sets matches lately...

Wins in 3 sets (wins with a 3rd set tie-break)-Loses in 3 sets(loses with a 3rd set tie-break)=winning % in 3 sets matches

2010 :
2(0)-2(2)=50% and counting...

2009 :
6(0)-9(1)=40%

2008 :
6(1)-8(1)=43%

2007 :
10(1)-4(2)=71%

2006 :
17(4)-1(0)=94%

2005 :
15(4)-1(1)=94%

2004 :
11(1)-3(0)=79%

2003 :
15(3)-6(2)=71%

MalwareDie
03-31-2010, 06:35 PM
Expected. Let's see if Federer gets his act together during the clay season.

KoOlMaNsEaN
03-31-2010, 07:02 PM
Roger, I need a reminder as to why I'm a diehard fan after the last two tournaments...
Did you not try your hardest and lose or lose while trying your hardest? I can't figure out which one is the worst of the two for you. Yes you were in the same position last year but you weren't losing to Baghdatis and Berdych while up a match point. Being up MP twice and losing is virtually unheard of from you,... I can only hope clay brings you some comfort again.

Everko
03-31-2010, 07:03 PM
I can't move, speak, breath or anything!

haha, good win for your guy.

Mateya
03-31-2010, 07:16 PM
I'm really happy for Tomaš and Certinfy :)
Why are Chechs so good, but Slovaks suck?

Federror, I know you only show up for slams...and I understand that.
He must be thinking "bring on Roland Garros and Wimbledon already. There I will be straightsetting these mugs for breakfast." :cool: :zzz: