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Rank them: Ljubicic, Haas, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Blake, Gonzalez

marcRD
03-22-2010, 03:35 PM
All are players around their 30s who never were ranked nr1 and never won a slam but were quite often in the top 10 and all won more than 10 titles and challenged top players for a long time. This is a tribute to those who always were always there challenging the big guns, but never really made it all the way.
Here is what they have achieved:

Ljubicic:

Age: 31 years old
Highest ranking: nr3
Slam results: 1 slam SF (lost to Nadal in RG) and 1 slam QF
master series+cup results: 3 finals and one title
Years in top 10: 2
Titles:10
Greatest achievments:Winning Davis cup almost by himself+winning Indian Wells at 31 beating 3 top players on his way to the title.

Davydenko:

Age:28 years old
Highest ranking: nr3
Slam results: 4 slam SF, 6 slam QF
master series+cup results: 3 master series, 1 master cup, 1 master cup final.
Years in top 10: 5
Titles:20
Greatest achievments:Master cup defeating Nadal, Del Potro and Federer on his way to the title.

Haas:

Age:31 years old
Highest ranking: nr2
Slam results: 4 slam SF, 3 slam QF
master series+cup results: 1 master series, 1 master series final
Years in top 10:1
Titles:12
Greatest achievments:Still beeing a force at 31 beating top players on his way to Wimbledon SF was impressive.

Nalbandian:

Age:28 years old
Highest ranking: nr3
Slam results: 1 slam final, 5 slam SF, 3 slam QF
master series+cup results: 1 master cup, 2 master series titles, 4 master series finals
Years in top 10:5
Titles:10
Greatest achievments:His h2h against top 10, leading against Djokovic and Nadal and beaten Federer 8 times. His master cup 2005 was very impressive, his davis cup and indoors stats are better than almost anyone in the tour. Also has been to all 4 slams SF atleast once and has been to QF in all slams atleast twice.

Gonzalez:

Age:29 years old
Highest ranking: nr5
Slam results: 1 slam final, 1 slam SF, 5 slam QF
master series+cup results: 2 master series finals
Years in top 10:2
Titles:11
Greatest achievments:Played outstanding tennis in the 2007 australian open to get to the final, also has olympic medals of every color (gold in doubles, silver and bronze in singles).

Blake:

Age: 30 years old
Highest ranking: nr4
Slam results: 3 slam QF
master series+cup results: 2 master series finals, 1 master cup final
Years in top 10:1
Titles:10
Greatest achievments:I have some difficulty picking anything specific, but he beat some really good players to get to a master cup final. Maybe what is more impressive is that he was ranked around 200th in the world at 22 and didnt even make a choise to become a proffesional tennis player until very late in his life.

If I had to I would rank these players:

1.Nalbandian
2.Davydenko
3.Gonzalez
4.Haas
5.Ljubicic
6.Blake

How would you rank these players?

Apemant
03-22-2010, 03:43 PM
1.Nalbandian
2.Davydenko
3.Gonzalez
4.Haas
5.Ljubicic
6.Blake


I'd switch Gonzo and Haas... I know Gonzo has that AO final to his name but still... Haas had way more complete game and was #2 in the world so...

Also, if Davy had just one slam final I'd put him above Nalby.

zeleni
03-22-2010, 04:03 PM
Davydenko > Nalbandian > Haas, LJubicic, Gonzelez, Blake

Purple Rainbow
03-22-2010, 04:10 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=89043

Davydenko
Nalbandian
...
Haas
...
Gonzalez
...
Ljubicic
Blake


Shamelessly plugging my own thread!

petar_pan
03-22-2010, 04:15 PM
nalbandain>ljubicic>haas>davydenko>gonzalez>blake

oranges
03-22-2010, 04:22 PM
Nalbandian
Davydenko

Nalby has the edge IMO despite Kolya being generally more consistent at the top. He has a slam final and semis in all four slams to his name.
...
Haas

It's impressive that in between all the injuries he makes deep runs in slams again and again :hatoff:
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Ljubicic
Gonzalez
Gonzo undoubtedly has more impressive slam results, but I'm a huge DC nut and that was a feat only McEnroe pulled off.
...
Blake

Blake really lacks some result you'd associate with former No4

scarecrows
03-22-2010, 05:21 PM
Davydenko > Nalbandian > Haas, LJubicic, Gonzelez, Blake

pretty much this

Gonzalez88
03-22-2010, 05:23 PM
Nalbandian
Gonzalez
Davydenko

Start da Game
03-22-2010, 05:26 PM
king david
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and the rest.......

Speed of Light
03-22-2010, 05:27 PM
With respect for being the tour clowns and the Frauderer poultry for a long time i would rank these pathetic zero slam winning group of loosers as follows-
Haashole= lubed up bitch= fat dave= fixer= shames flake= forhando goonzales
This unbiased ranking is based on sheer muggery of the players.. and in this they have all proved to be worthy equals. :bigclap:

duong
03-22-2010, 05:29 PM
1. Nalbandian and Davydenko (I would have said Nalbandian for sure several months ago, now I would still say so, but I have far more doubts). Both of them are underrated imo : in other times with less competition they would have been far better considered

3. Haas, more multi-surface than the others, was hammered by injuries, even though he was lucky enough to reach number 2 (like number 3 for Ljubicic it was a bit lucky)

4. Gonzalez : a little bit ahead of the two others for longer time on top, also more varied results

5. Blake, a little bit ahead of Ljubicic, longer time on top, more results in slams and WTF, good victories over Nadal (and Federer in the Olympics)

6. Ljubicic, had a problem with slams for a long time unfortunately, also his game is not as exciting and didn't give as many good matches as Blake's imo, although I've always had affection for his lovely touch and seemingly simple and nice personality.

gorgo1986
03-22-2010, 05:36 PM
In term of results:

1.Nalbandian (although Davydenko is about to overthrow him)
2.Davydenko
3. Haas (undoubtedly one of the most wasted talents ever)
4.Gonzalez
5.Ljubicic
6.Blake

Start da Game
03-22-2010, 05:40 PM
With respect for being the tour clowns and the Frauderer poultry for a long time i would rank these pathetic zero slam winning group of loosers as follows-
Haashole= lubed up bitch= fat dave= fixer= shames flake= forhando goonzales
This unbiased ranking is based on sheer muggery of the players.. and in this they have all proved to be worthy equals. :bigclap:

we can exclude king david from the poultry........he schooled fed and rafa when he played his best........he would easily have been a 2 slam winner with some luck........the same can't be said about the rest of them.......

Ibracadabra
03-22-2010, 05:50 PM
Gonzo has 3 olympic medals for me thats a great acheivement, definately 3rd behide nalbadian and davy.

Certinfy
03-22-2010, 06:18 PM
Nalbandian
Davydenko
Gonzalez
Haas
Ljubicic
Blake

samanosuke
03-22-2010, 06:20 PM
Nalbandian
Davydenko
Haas
Ljubicic
Gonzalez
Blake

DrJules
03-22-2010, 07:04 PM
If I had to I would rank these players:

1.Nalbandian
2.Davydenko
3.Gonzalez
4.Haas
5.Ljubicic
6.Blake

How would you rank these players?

Agree.

However,by retirement expect Davydenko to be ahead of Nalbandian and Gonzalez to confirm position ahead of Haas.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-22-2010, 07:18 PM
Imho:

1. Nalbandian: SF or better in all slams, 2 time DC finalist (with him as the key player of the team), TMC winner, 2 Masters 1000 titles, top 3 at best, good record vs Federer and Nadal, one of the best peak players on tour

2. Davydenko: regular top 5 player since 2005, DC winner, TMC winner (one time finalist too), 3 Masters 1000 titles, zero GS finals but reached SF in 2

3. Ljubicic: top 3 at best, DC winner, 1 Masters 1000 title, an indoor legend at his peak, bad record at GS

4. Gonzalez: one of the most regular players on tour since 2002, Olympic hero (only man to have gold, silver and bronze), reached QF or better in all slams, but he never won a big tournament (one olympic final, 1 GS final and 3 Masters finals)

4. Haas: former #2, heck of a talent, good results in GS overall, 1 Masters 1000 title, olympic silver medal in singles, no success in DC

5. Blake: top 5 at best, DC winner, TMC finalist, 2 Masters 1000 finals, zero SF in GS

:wavey:

LocoPorElTenis
03-22-2010, 07:18 PM
Good thread but what is Blake doing among the options? :lol:

LocoPorElTenis
03-22-2010, 07:20 PM
You should have Söderling instead of Blake. Söderling is younger than the others but I think he'll end up having a comparable career to the other players (better than Blake but probably no better than Nalbandian).

Purple Rainbow
03-22-2010, 07:24 PM
You should have Söderling instead of Blake. Söderling is younger than the others but I think he'll end up having a comparable career to the other players (better than Blake but probably no better than Nalbandian).

Robredo and Ferrer could be up for discussion too.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-22-2010, 07:24 PM
You should have Söderling instead of Blake. Söderling is younger than the others but I think he'll end up having a comparable career to the other players (better than Blake but probably no better than Nalbandian).

Blake is a DC winner and former #4. Soderling will be better in the future probably, but at the moment Blake > Soderling imo.

LocoPorElTenis
03-22-2010, 07:28 PM
Blake is a DC winner and former #4. Soderling will be better in the future probably, but at the moment Blake > Soderling imo.

At the moment Blake's career is just slightly better than Söderling's. A GS final beating the 4-time consecutive champion is a bigger achievement than anything Blake has done, but Robin needs consistency and getting a bit higher up in the ranking. Also it's not Söderling's fault that he's the only good Swedish player ATM.

LocoPorElTenis
03-22-2010, 07:29 PM
Robredo and Ferrer could be up for discussion too.

If you're going to include Blake then Robredo and Ferrer should also be included, I agree. IMO neither of the three can be compared to Ljubo, let alone the other players under consideration.

timafi
03-22-2010, 08:42 PM
Nalbandian
Davydenko
Haas

Ljubicic
Gonzalez


Blake

timafi
03-22-2010, 08:45 PM
Blake is a DC winner and former #4. Soderling will be better in the future probably, but at the moment Blake > Soderling imo.

nobody will remember Blake winning his fluke DC but everyone will remember Soderling making the FINALS in Paris and beating the crap out of Nadal in Nadal's backyard(practically):Shrug:

Blake at the age of 30 can't even make and has NOT made it to a slam semifinal:rolleyes::tape:

Blake has NO business being there anyway:shrug: it's an insult to the others if you ask me:o

leng jai
03-22-2010, 09:38 PM
Donkey
Burgerbandian
Haashole
Gonzo
Ljuba Truba



Flake

selyoink
03-23-2010, 12:00 AM
Davydenko
Nalbandian

Haas
Gonzalez

Ljubicic

Blake

tennishero
03-23-2010, 12:16 AM
davydenko cant be top when hes lost to federer 13-1.

oranges
03-23-2010, 12:21 AM
davydenko cant be top when hes lost to federer 13-1.

That's definitely a crucial argument, not to mention outdated data :yeah:

Frooty_Bazooty
03-23-2010, 12:29 AM
nalbandian
davydenko
ljubicic
haas
gonzalez
blake

duong
03-23-2010, 07:04 AM
Blake at the age of 30 can't even make and has NOT made it to a slam semifinal:rolleyes::tape:


he was very near to doing it against Agassi in the US Open.

He had several runs in grand slams, whereas Ljuba's semifinal in RG was really isolated (he had one run later in RG beating Davydenko again yet)

I'm surprised the reaction to him in this poll : I think he belongs to this although in the lower part.

For instance consider his regularity in the rankings (well yes Robredo could also compete for that but lacks bigger achievements, that's the problem : his win in Hamburg was in a depreciated tournaments without Fed and Nadal)

As for Söderling, I understand that he's not included as being too young and recent as a top-player : all of the players in the poll are quite old and have achieved the biggest part of their carreer.

Ferrer might have been included, but not Robredo imo.

But Ferrer is also a bit younger than the other ones, and with a different style.

leng jai
03-23-2010, 07:21 AM
he was very near to doing it against Agassi in the US Open.

He had several runs in grand slams, whereas Ljuba's semifinal in RG was really isolated (he had one run later in RG beating Davydenko again yet)

I'm surprised the reaction to him in this poll : I think he belongs to this although in the lower part.

For instance consider his regularity in the rankings (well yes Robredo could also compete for that but lacks bigger achievements, that's the problem)

As for Söderling, I understand that he's not included as being too young and recent as a top-player : all of the players in the poll are quite old and have achieved the biggest part of their carreer.

Ferrer might have been included, but not Robredo imo.

But Ferrer is also a bit younger than the other ones, and with a different style.

This thread was made after Legenda just won IW, so go figure.

.-Federers_Mate-.
03-23-2010, 07:53 AM
1.Blake..seriously hes noe of my favourite players
2.Nalbandian
3.gonzo
4.haas
5.davydenko
6ljubicic

oranges
03-23-2010, 10:47 AM
He had several runs in grand slams, whereas Ljuba's semifinal in RG was really isolated (he had one run later in RG beating Davydenko again yet)



He has 3 QFs, compared to a semi and QF, that's not exactly anything more impressive. (The Davydenko win was not for quarters, QF was at AO when he lost to Baghdatis)

nestingus
03-23-2010, 11:52 AM
Nalbandian - If he had less injuries I'm pretty sure he would have had a slam to his name. Great on all surfaces and can beat all the top players when at his best. Shanghai 05 is a good example.

Davydenko - Still improving imo and very consistent. Might still have his chance at a slam. Struggles over 5 sets when it comes to the crunch. Not sure his game and style can be sustanined over 4 or 5 as well as some of the other players.

Haas - Ravaged by injuries but not as talented as the previous two imo.

Ljubicic - Very consistent a couple of years ago but struggled to beat the top players and make inroads at bigger event. As much as I think he deserved a MS he couldn't have faced the top guys when they were on worse form.

Gonzalez - Absolutely unplayable when he is in the zone. People forget how astonishingly good he was against Murray at RG. Still, his record against the top players is poor and he lacks variety and a plan b when his forehand isn't firing. Had a great chance to pick up a clay MS in his prime but didn't step up.

Blake - Probably fulfilled his potential more than any of the above. Unlucky to face Federer in all the MS finals and probably could have won more. Tough call between him and Gonzo.

mr_burns
03-23-2010, 11:55 AM
the stat years in top 10 is missleading...I think u mean Year end top ten...But that is only 'luck ' that your best 52 weeks were at the end of the season. the fact that haas was in the top 10 in 01 and again in 07 I think(after serious injury) is very outstanding

Maybe you should replace it with weeks in top 10

tea
03-23-2010, 12:05 PM
Davydenko - great tennis and personality.:worship:
Nalbandian - not the worst player.
Haas - thanks for RG 2009. but generally he kinda sucks.
Blake - i think in form he would a good player. i also think he never was and never will be in form.
Ljubicic - :zzz:
Gonzalez - one of the biggest mugs on tour.:retard:

Puschkin
03-23-2010, 12:14 PM
Rank according to what? The following order reflects the efforts I would make to watch them.

1. Nalbandian
2. Davydenko
3. Haas and Gonzalez
..........
5. Blake
............
..........endless
6. Ljubicic

timafi
03-23-2010, 12:24 PM
he was very near to doing it against Agassi in the US Open.

He had several runs in grand slams

less than a handful of quarterfinals on 2 surfaces;since he is nothing but a hard court specialist who can't and hasn't won shit on anything but hard courts ain't all THAT in a 10 year career;fool :rolleyes::o

he lost to Seppi last year at Wimbledon.SEPPI !:rolleyes::o

marcRD
03-23-2010, 12:27 PM
It is true Ferrer maybe should have been included, he would probably deserve a ranking about as good as Blake, they have similar achievments.

Doomach777
03-23-2010, 01:40 PM
Ljubicic
Nalbandian
Haas
Davydenko
Gonzalez
Blake

MariaV
03-23-2010, 01:45 PM
According to their tennis careers:
1. Davydenko
2. Gonzalez
3. Nalbandian
4. Haas
5. Blake
6. Ljubicic

Team_Roddick
03-23-2010, 02:24 PM
1.Nalbandian
2.Davydenko
3.Haas
4.Gonzalez
5.Blake
6.Ljubicic

duong
03-23-2010, 04:24 PM
He has 3 QFs, compared to a semi and QF, that's not exactly anything more impressive. (The Davydenko win was not for quarters, QF was at AO when he lost to Baghdatis)

in grand slams, I'm interested and keep memories of who the player beats and how he does it.

That's why Robredo for instance does not give me many memories :shrug:

Also the first big achievement for me in a slam is R16, not QF. All the more as quite often players have to meet the very big guns in that round, unless they are a bit lucky with the draws.

Of course I knew that his win over Davydenko was not for QF but yet he had called it his biggest win in grand slams (bigger than the wins to reach RG semifinal in 2006 where his draw had not been tough actually), I perfectly remember that. Next round Monfils was too hard that year, but yet it was a run imo.

As for Blake, it's clear that I'm influenced a lot by his victories over Nadal in slams ... even when it was not a victory, I can remember some great matches in slams and that's important for me.

Anyway, I hesitated to rate Blake over Ljubicic, I rather thought of them equal but I decided to take a risk to separate them.

Of course all this always depends how you rate this and this.
I don't rate MS1000 tournaments very high, same for Davis Cup, I rate Masters cup very high on the opposite, if I compare with some of the comments which have been made.

And diversity of the surfaces, quality of the matches are also important for me.

That's why for instance Robredo will not stay in my book, although he would have definitely some reasons to take part in that poll if you just look at his results.

duong
03-23-2010, 04:25 PM
less than a handful of quarterfinals on 2 surfaces;since he is nothing but a hard court specialist who can't and hasn't won shit on anything but hard courts ain't all THAT in a 10 year career;fool :rolleyes::o

he lost to Seppi last year at Wimbledon.SEPPI !:rolleyes::o

well he reached the final in Estoril beating Davydenko :o

and few results in Roma ...

tennishero
03-23-2010, 06:40 PM
That's definitely a crucial argument, not to mention outdated data :yeah:

i dont know if u were being sarcastic about crucial.. but i find its a good benchmark to compare with. 13-2 or something? dont cry.

jcempire
03-23-2010, 06:52 PM
Haas = Nalbandian
>Ljubicic
>Davydenko
>Gonzalez
>Blake
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be honest about it. Haas is pretty great when he plays his best tennis

Go back to ten years ago.....you would agree
Ljubicic is better than Davy in my mind because you can't just compare about the Ranking

Nalbandian is one of my all time favorite players.... He is one of best ever if he plays his best

gorgo1986
03-23-2010, 07:19 PM
Haas = Nalbandian
>Ljubicic
>Davydenko
>Gonzalez
>Blake
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be honest about it. Haas is pretty great when he plays his best tennis

Go back to ten years ago.....you would agree
Ljubicic is better than Davy in my mind because you can't just compare about the Ranking

Nalbandian is one of my all time favorite players.... He is one of best ever if he plays his best


Yeah I agree if we are talking about accomplishments than its;

1.Nalbandian
2.Davydenko (could argue that he should be first)
3.Haas
4.Gonzalez
5.Ljubicic
6.Blake

but if we are talking in terms of talent and the best they are capable of than its;

1.David Nalbandian- Tommy Haas
3.Gonzalez
4.Ljubicic
5.Blake
6.Davydenko


Davydenko is just a really hard work, he is consistently good. Tommy Haas(unlucky with injuries, lazy) and David Nalbandian are underachievers. They could have won multiple grand slams. I remember back in the day everyone saying Tommy Haas would be much better than Boris Becker, the next best thing!

Gonzo, Blake(no heart, mentally fragile) and Ljubicic are underachievers as well.

Davydenko has worked hard and has achieved the best he could.

Ivo#1Fan
03-23-2010, 07:22 PM
Wow, Haas has only been in the top 10 one year?! That's amazing. I'd have guessed 5-7 years. He has so much more talent than Roddick but seeing this I realize he's really acheived a lot less.

oranges
03-23-2010, 07:28 PM
i dont know if u were being sarcastic about crucial.. but i find its a good benchmark to compare with. 13-2 or something? dont cry.

Ah, you're one of those that would rank Nadal higher than Federer than :yeah: You might want to see how I ranked them and for what reasons before going all juvenile. I just happen to find your contribution stupid :kiss:

oranges
03-23-2010, 07:35 PM
Wow, Haas has only been in the top 10 one year?! That's amazing. I'd have guessed 5-7 years. He has so much more talent than Roddick but seeing this I realize he's really acheived a lot less.

That's not really true, he was in top 10 again in 2007, when he made the AO semi and USO QF (despite missing the RG :crazy:) Perhaps it's just year-end ranking

samanosuke
03-23-2010, 07:39 PM
According to their tennis careers:
1. Davydenko
2. Gonzalez
3. Nalbandian
4. Haas
5. Blake
6. Ljubicic

And on which stage of his own carrier Blake is more impressive or successful then Ljubo ?????

rocketassist
03-23-2010, 08:26 PM
Nalbandian just edges it over PMK still for me with his four Slam SFs, which during his prime was a lot tougher to achieve than now and the one slam final.

Davydenko comes next of course, with DC win, three AMS shields and a TMC.

Haas has won a TMS title and been to no 2 in the world, great shotmaker. He's next.

Ljubicic thanks to his TMS title comes next but also his almost single handed effort to drag Croatia to the DC. Unreal.

Gonzalez made a slam final but hasn't fulfilled his talent other than that, reached two AMS finals but never was a threat to win either.

Blake's best result in a Slam was a QF, blew his chance v Agassi with Ginepri waiting and he choked the first set of that IW final with Fed, and never looked like winning a big title after that. Contributed to a DC win, but was peripheral compared to Roddick and the Bryans.

tennishero
03-23-2010, 08:53 PM
Ah, you're one of those that would rank Nadal higher than Federer than :yeah: You might want to see how I ranked them and for what reasons before going all juvenile. I just happen to find your contribution stupid :kiss:

no, i know theres bad matchups, but nadal is better than fed on clay and he surpassed him during 2008.

i see from ur assumptions that ur ignorant and i really couldnt care less about ur clownish opinions. :kiss:

leng jai
03-23-2010, 09:13 PM
Wow, Haas has only been in the top 10 one year?! That's amazing. I'd have guessed 5-7 years. He has so much more talent than Roddick but seeing this I realize he's really acheived a lot less.

Its hard to maintain a decent ranking when you're injured every 2 seconds.

oranges
03-23-2010, 09:24 PM
i see from ur assumptions that ur ignorant and i really couldnt care less about ur clownish opinions. :kiss:

See, ignorant is much more adult way to throw insults, you care about my opinion after all. Ur kul.

jcempire
03-24-2010, 04:36 AM
Wow, Haas has only been in the top 10 one year?! That's amazing. I'd have guessed 5-7 years. He has so much more talent than Roddick but seeing this I realize he's really acheived a lot less.

Injury.....(that kills Haas)

Otherwise, he should be one of Top guys

Klaas_nalbandian
03-24-2010, 07:49 PM
Nalbandian-Davydenko-Gonzalez-Haas-Ljubicic-Blake

tennisfaNo.1
03-25-2010, 08:38 AM
Davy, Nalbandian, Gonzalez, Haas, Ljubicic, Blake

timafi
03-25-2010, 12:08 PM
well he reached the final in Estoril beating Davydenko :o

and few results in Roma ...

Houston and Estoril are a joke:rolleyes: :lol: and Rome;glad you said just a "few":tape:

I raise you the annual First round loses in the French capital:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

now GO AWAY:bigwave: