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Rafa has 13 match losing streak to top 9. When will it end?

konyalikartal
03-20-2010, 10:11 AM
Beginning from Madrid final loss to Federer he had:
3 losses to Djokovic
3 losses to Davydenko
2 losses to Del Potro
2 losses to Soderling
1 loss to Federer
1 loss to Cilic
1 loss to Murray
If we don't count Roddick, who he hasn't met in this period, the losing streak is almost to top 8. According to you when will this losing streak end and who will be the first among these players to lose to Rafa?

Luinir
03-20-2010, 10:13 AM
Soda, i think.

born_on_clay
03-20-2010, 10:13 AM
On sunday Soderling will lose to Rafa in BNP Paribas Open final :D

konyalikartal
03-20-2010, 10:20 AM
He is also 2-29 in sets. Unbelievable. The stats:
0-6 to Djokovic
1-6 to Davydenko
0-5 to Del Potro
1-5 to Soderling
0-2 to Federer
0-2 to Cilic
0-3 to Murray

dodo
03-20-2010, 10:31 AM
On sunday Soderling will lose to Rafa in BNP Paribas Open final :D

Soderling might lose to Roddick, but should he reach the final, I very much like his chances to make it a 14 streak.

Yves.
03-20-2010, 10:32 AM
I love this stat :D

dodo
03-20-2010, 10:33 AM
And it will obviously end in MC semis or quarters (depending on whoever is unfortunate enough to come through).

orangehat
03-20-2010, 10:34 AM
Not that I'm a Nadal fan, but you have to admit Nadal's injuries last year were bad. I expect this streak to end once we enter the clay season.

dodo
03-20-2010, 10:35 AM
Federer made a run on this awesome record last year as well. How many did he get?

Frooty_Bazooty
03-20-2010, 11:16 AM
wow thats a really terrible stat for Nadal, well noticed konya. lets hope he can change that sooner rather than later

Doomach777
03-20-2010, 11:17 AM
Not this week.

leng jai
03-20-2010, 11:32 AM
I have a suspicion it might be NEVA!

madmax
03-20-2010, 11:33 AM
I have a suspicion it might be NEVA!

SECONDED:devil:Nadull is done

n8
03-20-2010, 11:44 AM
I noticed this a while ago (proof (http://statracket.net/?view=articles/davydenkodoha.html)). It's against the current top 9, not top 9 at the time of playing as he beat Tsonga (then ranked 9) in Paris last year. He was 8-1 against the top 8 on clay last year so things will change once the tour hits the dirt. But he'll probably even break the streak before then in the final of Indian Wells or Miami.

Acer
03-20-2010, 11:45 AM
Whether it ends or it, it's clearly been a PATHETIC 10 months or so for Nadal

delpiero7
03-20-2010, 12:32 PM
Whether it ends or it, it's clearly been a PATHETIC 10 months or so for Nadal

SF in USO, F in Shanghai, SFs in Cinci and Paris.

Fair enough there are no titles (though he should have beaten Kolya in Doha) but to call it pathetic is a tad harsh.

l_mac
03-20-2010, 12:36 PM
He won't win vs a top player anytime soon.

Certinfy
03-20-2010, 12:41 PM
Probably tomorrow, still I hope it lasts a lot longer...

tea
03-20-2010, 12:43 PM
Impressive stats.:eek:

Sadly dream can't last forever and Rafito might ruin this fantastic streak with some random win over Cilic on clay, but overall I agree with you guys - Nadal is done.:D

petar_pan
03-20-2010, 12:44 PM
tommorrow
btw, this thread is retarded because nalada played with "one leg" in the 2nd half of last year
if he was healthy he would have between 7-2 and 9-0

Orka_n
03-20-2010, 01:25 PM
Not this week.This.

Certinfy
03-20-2010, 01:32 PM
tommorrow
btw, this thread is retarded because nalada played with "one leg" in the 2nd half of last year
if he was healthy he would have between 7-2 and 9-0Errr... But this streak started in Madrid :rolleyes:

Start da Game
03-20-2010, 01:34 PM
Beginning from Madrid final loss to Federer he had:
3 losses to Djokovic
3 losses to Davydenko
2 losses to Del Potro
2 losses to Soderling
1 loss to Federer
1 loss to Cilic
1 loss to Murray
If we don't count Roddick, who he hasn't met in this period, the losing streak is almost to top 8. According to you when will this losing streak end and who will be the first among these players to lose to Rafa?

losses of zero significance/value and are of zero impact on his mental fortitude........he knows what he is capable of when he is playing at his best........

he is returning from several injuries.......to play at his best, he first needs to play on clay and then take his game to other surfaces........until then it will only be ordinary tennis off his racket.......

Orka_n
03-20-2010, 01:48 PM
losses of zero significance/value and are of zero impact on his mental fortitude........he knows what he is capable of when he is playing at his best........

he is returning from several injuries.......to play at his best, he first needs to play on clay and then take his game to other surfaces........until then it will only be ordinary tennis off his racket.......:zzz::zzz::zzz:

Jimnik
03-20-2010, 02:49 PM
When he next plays Federer. Seems like his only decent top ten match-up. :shrug:

madmax
03-20-2010, 02:52 PM
:zzz::zzz::zzz:

:devil::devil::devil:

Matt01
03-20-2010, 03:19 PM
Errr... But this streak started in Madrid :rolleyes:


In Madrid where he beat Djokivic in one of the best, longest matches of the year :rolleyes:

Franky Dubbles
03-20-2010, 03:23 PM
I believe that streak ends in the Indian Wells final.

Certinfy
03-20-2010, 03:27 PM
In Madrid where he beat Djokivic in one of the best, longest matches of the year :rolleyes:It started after that SF tho :ras:

Matt01
03-20-2010, 03:31 PM
It started after that SF tho :ras:


That is correct. :angel:

swebright
03-20-2010, 03:37 PM
This weekend!!

And then he won't lose another match for the rest of the year.:devil:

DrJules
03-20-2010, 05:05 PM
Beginning from Madrid final loss to Federer he had:
3 losses to Djokovic
3 losses to Davydenko
2 losses to Del Potro
2 losses to Soderling
1 loss to Federer
1 loss to Cilic
1 loss to Murray
If we don't count Roddick, who he hasn't met in this period, the losing streak is almost to top 8. According to you when will this losing streak end and who will be the first among these players to lose to Rafa?

losses of zero significance/value and are of zero impact on his mental fortitude........he knows what he is capable of when he is playing at his best........

he is returning from several injuries.......to play at his best, he first needs to play on clay and then take his game to other surfaces........until then it will only be ordinary tennis off his racket.......

Nadal has always been far more vunerable to defeat by top 8 players than Federer.

Everko
03-20-2010, 05:12 PM
Nadal has always been far more vunerable to defeat by top 8 players than Federer.

no. Nadal owns most of the top ten

swebright
03-20-2010, 09:50 PM
I thought the streak will end tomorrow.

Oh..well... it will go on.:devil:

superslam77
03-20-2010, 09:53 PM
hopefully never!

Skyward
03-20-2010, 09:56 PM
Soon enough. :shrug: In Monte Carlo.

Billabong
03-20-2010, 10:01 PM
no. Nadal owns most of the top ten

Indeed. Except Davydenko, I think he has a winning H2H against all the top-10?

brent-o
03-20-2010, 10:03 PM
I'll admit those are some crappy stats, but you have to give him a break. I'd like to see those same stats for Djokovic last year, or even Tsonga or Del Potro when they've been struggling with injuries and getting back to form.

Jomp1
03-20-2010, 10:09 PM
The set stats are just unbelievable.

HKz
03-20-2010, 10:13 PM
Well his streak will continue for at least a little while longer.

.-Federers_Mate-.
03-20-2010, 11:06 PM
it will end against roddick quarters of miami

Arkulari
03-20-2010, 11:10 PM
Nadal has always been far more vunerable to defeat by top 8 players than Federer.

that's not exactly true, but he does lose to more people than Roger in Slams, it's the other way around in MS ;)

Sunset of Age
03-21-2010, 04:10 AM
I believe that streak ends in the Indian Wells final.

I thought so, too... :sad:

losses of zero significance/value and are of zero impact on his mental fortitude........he knows what he is capable of when he is playing at his best........

he is returning from several injuries.......to play at his best, he first needs to play on clay and then take his game to other surfaces........until then it will only be ordinary tennis off his racket.......

http://www.dayofthejedi.com/articles/2009/01/images/motivators/b/0981.jpg

Come back strong soon, Rafa!

ssj100
03-21-2010, 05:15 AM
losses of zero significance/value and are of zero impact on his mental fortitude........he knows what he is capable of when he is playing at his best........

he is returning from several injuries.......to play at his best, he first needs to play on clay and then take his game to other surfaces........until then it will only be ordinary tennis off his racket.......

Exactly. Mug era anyway...I mean Nadal won't lose another match this year. So easy.

konyalikartal
03-21-2010, 09:01 AM
This loss is worse than the other 13 losses. I think during this titleless 10 month period, he lost his confidence in considerable amount. The loss against Davydenko when he took the first set 6-0 and had match point in the second set and this loss against the almost retired Ljubicic after he took the first set and had 5 break points in the second set are not the characteristic properties of mentally strong Nadal. He almost became a choker now. What will he do at Miami? I am curiously waiting. The last tournament for him before the clay season.

cardio
03-21-2010, 09:14 AM
Nadal has always been far more vunerable to defeat by top 8 players than Federer.

no. Nadal owns most of the top ten

Dr Jules is right and Everko is wrong.

Nadal is 4-5 against Davydenko,0-1 against Cilic, 3-2 against Söderling and 4-3 against Del Potro . Hardly ownage. He really owns only Fed and Djokovic (13-7 and 14-7 )

Nadal is 57-33 against current top 10 and Fed is 84-31 .Similar number of losses, but Fed has 27 wins more.
Considering how dominant is Nadal on clay, his overall numbers against top players are not very impressive. Winning only 63% matches against top10 is not his most spectacular stats. My guess is - outside clay he even doesnt break 50% barrier.

Apemant
03-21-2010, 12:22 PM
Nadal is 4-5 against Davydenko,0-1 against Cilic, 3-2 against Söderling and 4-3 against Del Potro . Hardly ownage. He really owns only Fed and Djokovic (13-7 and 14-7 )

yes, and that mostly due to 9-2 and 9-0 on clay. Outside of clay, he's 4-5 and 5-7 vs. them two. His biggest pigeons are people who he plays most often on clay.


Considering how dominant is Nadal on clay, his overall numbers against top players are not very impressive. Winning only 63% matches against top10 is not his most spectacular stats. My guess is - outside clay he even doesnt break 50% barrier.

25-29 (46%)

Certinfy
03-21-2010, 12:57 PM
Probably Monte-Carlo now.

Matt01
03-21-2010, 01:07 PM
yes, and that mostly due to 9-2 and 9-0 on clay. Outside of clay, he's 4-5 and 5-7 vs. them two. His biggest pigeons are people who he plays most often on clay.



We really should disregard all of Nadal's stats and numbers on clay to see what kind of player that Nadal really is, shouldn't we?


Dr Jules is right and Everko is wrong.


No they are both wrong. To say that Nadal "has always been far more vunerable to defeat by top 8 players than Federer" is ridiculous and I don't even need any stats to see that.

Apemant
03-21-2010, 01:26 PM
We really should disregard all of Nadal's stats and numbers on clay to see what kind of player that Nadal really is, shouldn't we?

No, we shouldn't and I didn't say we should. You missed the point, as always.

Persimmon
03-21-2010, 01:30 PM
On clay.

Matt01
03-21-2010, 01:43 PM
No, we shouldn't and I didn't say we should. You missed the point, as always.


Well, you missed the point of the topic long before I missed it.

cardio
03-21-2010, 06:36 PM
No they are both wrong. To say that Nadal "has always been far more vulnerable to defeat by top 8 players than Federer" is ridiculous and I don't even need any stats to see that.

Why is it ridicilous ? Lets take Rafa`s best year. There was only one period when Nadal was very dominant against top10, period when he won almost everything and became world # 1. It was in 2008.
He started 2008 "war" against top 10 with losses to Roddick in Dubai,Djokovic in IW and Davydenko in Miami . It was usual Nadal on hardcourt, noone really expected him to win a lot of tournaments on hard. Then extraordinary domination started when he destroyed the whole field during 5 months. Starting from April until August he went 12 - 1 against top 10( I mean current top 10 in March 2010) and only loss was against Djokovic in Cinci. This was one and only period in his career, when he was very dominant even outside of clay . He ended year like he usually does : lost to Murray in USO, beat Roddick on clay in Davis Cup match and lost to Davydenko in Paris. Miracle was over and it lasted little less than 5 months .
He never was and never will be field destroyer all year long like Fed was in 2004 and 2005.Nadal peaks in clay season and Wimby, before and after that he often struggles and other men in top 10 take advantage of it.

crude oil
03-21-2010, 06:43 PM
losses of zero significance/value and are of zero impact on his mental fortitude........he knows what he is capable of when he is playing at his best........

he is returning from several injuries.......to play at his best, he first needs to play on clay and then take his game to other surfaces........until then it will only be ordinary tennis off his racket.......



"I was destroyed mentally"

"I was more nervous than passive, no?"

yep. absolutely no effect on rafa mentally. None.

Orka_n
03-21-2010, 08:35 PM
"I was destroyed mentally"

"I was more nervous than passive, no?"

yep. absolutely no effect on rafa mentally. None.Sorry, Start da Game is so delusional that not even what Moonballer says himself matters. According to this guy, Nadal is lying when he says he isn't injured. And he's not telling the truth because "he's such a spartan" or some such. :crazy:

konyalikartal
04-02-2010, 07:42 PM
Now the missing part in the top 9 (Roddick) is completed and this makes 14 match losing streak to top 9! Come on Rafa! What a streak that was! Now the clay season begins. Will Rafa get revenge from all of them in this clay season? I think there is one truth for him in the coming clay season. If he won't take a title and won't win RG 2010, he will be done. After then, he will lost his mental strength and confidence completely (a little is left today) and we would see a falling period like Safin. If the situation will be opposite, he will recover his confidence and mental strength and we would see Rafa 2008 after then. Let's see what will happen in 2010 clay season. I am curiously waiting.

FNT
04-02-2010, 07:45 PM
Now the missing part in the top 9 (Roddick) is completed and this makes 14 match losing streak to top 9! Come on Rafa! What a streak that was! Now the clay season begins. Will Rafa get revenge from all of them in this clay season? I think there is one truth for him in the coming clay season. If he won't take a title and won't win RG 2010, he will be done. After then, he will lost his mental strength and confidence completely (a little is left today) and we would see a falling period like Safin:( If the situation will be opposite, he will recover his confidence and mental strength and we would see Rafa 2008 after then. Let's see what will happen in 2010 clay season.

And there is no chance for any middle ground whatsoever!

Surcouf
04-02-2010, 07:53 PM
This is a statistical proof that Nadal is done.

born_on_clay
04-02-2010, 09:02 PM
This is a statistical proof that Nadal is done.

+1

heya
04-02-2010, 09:44 PM
Does a Federer grind down count as a win? That is, if Fed reaches a semifinal.

Geo
04-02-2010, 10:42 PM
wow didn't realize he had this kind of stat going on now :tape: :o

stebs
04-03-2010, 01:03 PM
He will beat whichever top 10 players go deep enough to meet him during the clay season.

justsumma
04-03-2010, 01:18 PM
neva eva

Start da Game
04-03-2010, 05:53 PM
it doesn't matter when it ends as long as he meets the expectations of nadal fans.......

yuri27
04-03-2010, 05:59 PM
It must have something to do with the fact there is not any french player in the top 9.

dodo
04-03-2010, 08:02 PM
Beginning from Madrid final loss to Federer he had:
3 losses to Djokovic
3 losses to Davydenko
2 losses to Del Potro
2 losses to Soderling
1 loss to Federer
1 loss to Cilic
1 loss to Murray
If we don't count Roddick, who he hasn't met in this period, the losing streak is almost to top 8. According to you when will this losing streak end and who will be the first among these players to lose to Rafa?

So Roddick finally arrives at the party. Woooo.

ssj100
04-03-2010, 08:14 PM
it doesn't matter when it ends as long as he meets the expectations of nadal fans.......

Yes, Nadal is the GOAT.

luie
04-04-2010, 12:31 AM
Nadull's best isn't good enough anymore to take on the elite players.

DJ Soup
04-04-2010, 01:31 AM
Nadull's best isn't good enough anymore to take on the elite players.

to be fair, Nadal would defeat the current states of Djokovic and Murray

Guy Haines
04-04-2010, 01:36 AM
to be fair, Nadal would defeat the current states of Djokovic and Murray

don't waste fairness on luie. he exists to bash and post innuendo about nadal. he's got a fixation.

ssj100
04-04-2010, 02:39 AM
He's playing in a mug era, but if you keep getting injured and having family problems, you're going to struggle even in this era. At least Nadal holds the racquet correctly. Look at Sampras's time - everyone held racquets correctly and played 10x better than current era. All these guys currently do is hit the ball hard and stay at the baseline like robots.

Oh, and did I mention mug era? And warm regards.

out_here_grindin
04-04-2010, 02:45 AM
He's playing in a mug era, but if you keep getting injured and having family problems, you're going to struggle even in this era. At least Nadal holds the racquet correctly. Look at Sampras's time - everyone held racquets correctly and played 10x better than current era. All these guys currently do is hit the ball hard and stay at the baseline like robots.

Oh, and did I mention mug era? And warm regards.

sole purpose in life to mock Start da Game?

ssj100
04-04-2010, 02:49 AM
sole purpose in life to mock Start da Game?

Seriously man, Nadal is the GOAT. What are you talking about mocking? Sure, I exaggerate a lot, but it's to make my point hit home more effectively. I don't understand why people compare Federer to Nadal. Nadal is clearly the much better player, hence why he leads in H2H. If Nadal wasn't injured (or mentally screwed from his parents' divorce, or distracted by his girlfriend), he'd have won at least 10 French Opens, 5 Wimbledons, 5 Australian Opens, and 4 US Opens.

Wake up man!

paseo
04-04-2010, 05:14 AM
MTF Moderation

poster 1(100K posts) posts this "delightful" post
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for which poster 2(2K posts) replies in the same vein
end result: poster 2 gets a 2 point infraction, post deleted and a 10 day ban while poster 1 is allowed to slam people at his will.......

What exactly did you write in that reply post?

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-04-2010, 05:42 AM
soderling @ barcelona..maybe

tealeaves
04-04-2010, 11:22 AM
Welcome Roddick :lol:

Lopez
04-04-2010, 11:44 AM
No they are both wrong. To say that Nadal "has always been far more vunerable to defeat by top 8 players than Federer" is ridiculous and I don't even need any stats to see that.

How come is that ridiculous, given that Nadal has actually lost more against the current top 10 than Federer :confused: ?

Certinfy
04-04-2010, 12:10 PM
This stat is legendary!

Mjau!
04-04-2010, 12:51 PM
Rafa's h2h vs top 10 on HC:

3-3 vs fed (1 of last 3, lost more points than he won in 2/3 wins)
3-7 vs nole (1 of last 6, lost more games & points than he won in that 1 win)
4-3 vs murray (1 of last 4, win played in hurricane so shouldn't really count)
2-3 vs delpo (0 of last 3)
1-5 vs fixer (0 of last 5)
2-3 vs duck (1 of last 3, won on blue clay)
0-1 vs toad
0-1 vs cilic
5-1 vs jo

superslam77
04-04-2010, 02:57 PM
Beginning from Madrid final loss to Federer he had:
3 losses to Djokovic
3 losses to Davydenko
2 losses to Del Potro
2 losses to Soderling
1 loss to Federer
1 loss to Cilic
1 loss to Murray
If we don't count Roddick, who he hasn't met in this period, the losing streak is almost to top 8. According to you when will this losing streak end and who will be the first among these players to lose to Rafa?

he also lost to Hewitt in exho 6-3 6-4 last year and practicing with Fed 6-3 in AO?
http://d.yimg.com/i//ng/sp/eurosport/20090618/25/a1d12001e9fb21f7fa813c3a53e0a554.jpg

times are good :banana:

Certinfy
04-04-2010, 03:00 PM
:haha: Awesome picture Maurice :worship:

superslam77
04-04-2010, 03:02 PM
:haha: Awesome picture Maurice :worship:

Vamos Berdych today :dog:

:rocker2:

andylovesaustin
04-04-2010, 03:03 PM
All of this, and Rafa still managed to move-up in the rankings.

I mean... in a way.. Andy may have won a battle, but ultimately he hasn't won the "war," for example. The same is true for most of the guys--specifically number #4 in the world on down!

It's got to be frustrating! :rolls:

I just think it's too soon to be counting Rafa out in much the same way I think it's too soon to be counting Roger out. Both of them have proved, they can come back to dominate.

luie
04-04-2010, 03:45 PM
It will end on the red dirt,there is no competition on the red dirt.