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Baghdatis Beats Federer 5-7 7-5 7-6

SheepleBuster
03-17-2010, 05:24 AM
wow. Federer was god awful. 3 match points choked. My god. this is the roger who lost to Tsonga when was ahead 5-1

Knotty Fort
03-17-2010, 05:24 AM
:help:

Xristos
03-17-2010, 05:24 AM
Match of the year so far.

HKz
03-17-2010, 05:24 AM
Poor

jonas
03-17-2010, 05:24 AM
:haha:

rubbERR
03-17-2010, 05:24 AM
federer sucked

Clydey
03-17-2010, 05:24 AM
Federer blew 3 match points. Fun match, but Federer's groundies were pretty shocking.

Smoke944
03-17-2010, 05:24 AM
yikes...pretty bad from Roger....now who will win this tournament :rolleyes:

FlameOn
03-17-2010, 05:25 AM
Federer's such a UE machine. :haha: :tape:

ssj100
03-17-2010, 05:25 AM
Expected. Didn't expect it to be so close - Federer had 3 match points. Mug era.

bluefork
03-17-2010, 05:25 AM
Wow. I watched it, but I'm still not sure how Federer managed to lose this match.

Smoke944
03-17-2010, 05:26 AM
federer sucked

well said :lol:
hmm I actually agree with rubbERR for once

SheepleBuster
03-17-2010, 05:26 AM
I am a Federer fan but somebody forgot to tell him this was not an exhibition match. God awful. So bad. But better to lose to baghdatis than to Roddick or Murray I guess

~*BGT*~
03-17-2010, 05:26 AM
TGFB -- Thank God for Baghs because seriously, I didn't want another Federer/Roddick quarterfinal :lol:

samanosuke
03-17-2010, 05:26 AM
Amazing shot selection from Roger on those MP's. He chokes as usually in the close matches

foul_dwimmerlaik
03-17-2010, 05:27 AM
Wow

Arhaych
03-17-2010, 05:27 AM
Meanwhile, in a Californian hotel room, Andy Murray whips out the baby oil and starts to masturbate over his potential road to the final.

Arkulari
03-17-2010, 05:27 AM
Roger choked spectaculary, like he did against Tsonga in Montreal 09 :retard:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2wd5x87.jpg

He wasted what? 4 MP?

Playing some passive game and when he attacked it was mishit after mishit after mishit

Haters: rejoice, Roger lost, now you can get back to your bashing ways without shame :yeah:

Amazing shot selection from Roger on those MP's. He chokes as usually in the close matches

yeah, like he did at Roland Garros against Haas and Juan and Wimbledon against Duck :p :yeah:

but yeah, he does choke in close best of three matches a lot :lol:

Baggy, like Benneteau looked as if he won a Slam :lol:

Voo de Mar
03-17-2010, 05:27 AM
UNBELIEVABLE! :D

What a story, Kohlschreiber yesterday lost first match in career after wasting match points in 134th tournament, now Baghdatis won first match in career (94th tournament) after saving match points - and did it in two sets :eek: Wow, Federer experienced something what isn't common for a long career - to lose a match having MP in 2 sets. A little consolation, almost certain it won't happen to him again :yeah:

chowdahead25
03-17-2010, 05:27 AM
MARCOS:woohoo:

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 05:28 AM
Federer, you have always been a choker but this was fucking ridiculous. as usual when things get tight, federer's footwork becomes pathetic and starts missing shots he usually makes.


2 MP in the second set, gone. 4-1 lead in the third set, gone. 1 more MP at 6-5 in the third set, gone.

this choke is on par with the one you pulled against Clownga last year.

foul_dwimmerlaik
03-17-2010, 05:28 AM
Is that Baggy's first career victory over top 3?

Snoo Foo
03-17-2010, 05:28 AM
YES

HarryMan
03-17-2010, 05:28 AM
:spit:On to Miami :sport:

Federer could care less about these events. :D

Jomp1
03-17-2010, 05:29 AM
I was just waiting for Fed to close it, but too much fail.

Good for Baggy.

Geo
03-17-2010, 05:29 AM
Federer certainly made a lot of silly mistakes :tape: , but credit goes to Baghdatis :hatoff: He really had some nice shots tonight. It's so nice to see him doing well again-such a fun game and personality. Hopefully he can keep winning here :)

Baghdatis#1
03-17-2010, 05:29 AM
Marcos :banana:

ssj100
03-17-2010, 05:29 AM
Amazing shot selection from Roger on those MP's. He chokes as usually in the close matches

Nah, Federer was lucky to even have pushed it to the third set. Baghdatis totally out-played him, despite making so many errors. Only surprise is that the score-line looked close. Baghdatis had 2 match points, and only needed the one. Clutch player. Unfortunately, he'll probably lose next round.

LinkMage
03-17-2010, 05:30 AM
NID

Best of 3 sets shit mode on for Mugerer.

Almost always wins the 1st set easily and then disappears from the match expecting his opponent to bend over for him. :retard:

He then transforms into an UE machine and loses.

Someone should tell this clown this is a best of 3 match, not a best of 1 match. :idiot:

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 05:30 AM
Great job by Baggy, congrats!!! :hatoff:

The better player of the two got the deserved win this night. And I'm happy to see it happen to such a lovely guy. :hatoff: Baggy! :D

Fed's level was never up to his best all throughout this tournament so far, the 3-sets-job against Hanescu (who is a decent player but still) was a clear 'Sign-on-the-Wall'.

And please, don't give any 'pneumonia'-excuses, eh???
Feds faced a BETTER player this evening. It happens. DEAL WITH IT!

SheepleBuster
03-17-2010, 05:30 AM
Federer brought out the spirit of Davydenko to choke this one. As a fan I have to say I am not surprised. First, Federer doesn't exactly play too well in 2 out of 3 set tournaments. Just look at his results lately. Second, Fed was just bad tonight. It wasn't anything Baghdatis did really. This match should be over in 2 sets and Fed had 2 match points to do it. The good news is Baghdatis needs these wins. Federer really doesn't

holagirl56
03-17-2010, 05:30 AM
abysmal from federer...up a set then up a break and he still can't close the guy out. reminiscent of last year's struggles at IW and miami, except he was in the semis then.

credit to baggy though, was fearless on match points and never backed down even when he was in a 1-4 hole

Orysbestos
03-17-2010, 05:31 AM
Nice to see Marcos get a decent win.

screenerluv
03-17-2010, 05:31 AM
thank god fed lost
he can't take another
loss to rafa.

dabeast
03-17-2010, 05:31 AM
yeesh Roger. In last 2 sets, every time he loaded up on his bh, I started cringing cos I knew he was gonna make an ue. His fh was slightly less erratic but that's not saying much. Wasted mps, 2/8 bp conversion, just get ready for maimi Rog. That was just terrible.

piss off gwen stefani

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 05:31 AM
:spit:On to Miami :sport:

Federer could care less about these events. :D

BULLSHIT.

Clydey
03-17-2010, 05:32 AM
Meanwhile, in a Californian hotel room, Andy Murray whips out the baby oil and starts to masturbate over his potential road to the final.

Andy_Murray Twitter: "I just came."

2 minutes ago.

Baghdatis72
03-17-2010, 05:32 AM
At last Baggy played the way he should always play. Got that 1st serve % up and didn't choke on important points but instead played with passion and will.

This is a new beginning for him.

alboX
03-17-2010, 05:32 AM
great match :worship:

roberthenman
03-17-2010, 05:32 AM
amazing Baghdatis

Federer BYE:::::::::::::::::::::::

Arkulari
03-17-2010, 05:33 AM
oh yeah, The Gwen Stefani Curse strikes again, everytime she watches Roger he loses :lol:

SheepleBuster
03-17-2010, 05:33 AM
I am going to be bold here and predict Roger won't win another tournament till Wimbledon (if he wins that one). I am not sure he is still that motivated and once he starts losing in slams, it's pretty much over. Not over for him. But his career as the best is really closed. He won't have to prove anything

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 05:33 AM
BULLSHIT.

Exactly.
Baghdatis was the better player tonight - DEAL WITH IT!!!

rubbERR
03-17-2010, 05:33 AM
thank god fed lost
he can't take another
loss to rafa.

isner - nadal, nadal fails

Fantome
03-17-2010, 05:33 AM
Not unexpected, Roger hasn't played decent tennis at Indian Wells or Miami for years now. I seriously wonder why he bothers showing up at tournaments he doesn't seem to care about winning. Expect another early loss in a couple of weeks too. :scratch:

Baghdatis72
03-17-2010, 05:33 AM
Is that Baggy's first career victory over top 3?

Yes :woohoo:

Jomp1
03-17-2010, 05:34 AM
Well, he said could care less, not couldn't ;)

SheepleBuster
03-17-2010, 05:34 AM
The luckiest man alive today: Roddick! haha. Poor guy. I mean if he faces Federer, can he win with set points at hand? That wimbledon loss would crush anybody's psyche

swebright
03-17-2010, 05:34 AM
ugh................ he's just giving a chance to other players to beat him.

holagirl56
03-17-2010, 05:34 AM
Federer brought out the spirit of Davydenko to choke this one. As a fan I have to say I am not surprised. First, Federer doesn't exactly play too well in 2 out of 3 set tournaments. Just look at his results lately. Second, Fed was just bad tonight. It wasn't anything Baghdatis did really. This match should be over in 2 sets and Fed had 2 match points to do it. The good news is Baghdatis needs these wins. Federer really doesn't

looking at the quality of this match, it's pretty obvious federer needs all the matches he can get

he was obviously disappointed when he walked off the court, as he rightly should have been

Smoke944
03-17-2010, 05:34 AM
Andy_Murray Twitter: "I just came."

2 minutes ago.

:lol:

rubbERR
03-17-2010, 05:34 AM
big deal? he has already 2000 points under his belt this year :lol:

Voo de Mar
03-17-2010, 05:35 AM
I was surprised how Federer was indifferent in this match. Actually showed a sign of good will only at 5:5 (15-30) in the third when played inside-outside forehand winner. What was he thinking? That Baghdatis always loses matches when an opponent reaches MP? ;)

Havok
03-17-2010, 05:35 AM
TGFB -- Thank God for Baghs because seriously, I didn't want another Federer/Roddick quarterfinal :lol:

Yup.

rubbERR
03-17-2010, 05:36 AM
murray the pushpush is going to lose his rankingpoints next round to spanish choker almagro

HarryMan
03-17-2010, 05:36 AM
Exactly.
Baghdatis was the better player tonight - DEAL WITH IT!!!

There seems to be a big disparity between him winning 3 out of the last 4 slams and his performance in these best of three set tournaments to call that just a coincedence. :p

philosophicalarf
03-17-2010, 05:36 AM
Fed masters record the last three years:

3R 2R W QF W SF 3R SF SF QF 3R 2R F SF QF F QF SF 3R W F W F 3R F 4R 2R


Fits the pattern really, nothing at all unusual.

maratsmaiden
03-17-2010, 05:36 AM
i thought it was a great match! baggy showed such heart coming back from 1-4 in the 3rd set... so proud of him tonight, and so glad i stayed up to watch! :woohoo:

ChinoRios4Ever
03-17-2010, 05:37 AM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssss Marcos :woohoo:

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 05:38 AM
Exactly.
Baghdatis was the better player tonight - DEAL WITH IT!!!

Yes.. and the thing is, Federer didn't play bad but he was a complete choker in the important moments, imo.

Some times I wish Federer was stronger mentally even if that would mean being less talented. All this close losses after having the lead gotta hurt and Federer is by far the player leading the top 10 in choking matches.

Baggy played pretty well.

swebright
03-17-2010, 05:38 AM
I think, if possible, Fed only wants to play the slams these days. But it's risky he's collecting points only at those tournaments. Once he won't make it, he'll be in...................

Baghdatis72
03-17-2010, 05:39 AM
Oeoeoeoe Marcos oe :woohoo::banana::banana::hatoff::bowdown:

rubbERR
03-17-2010, 05:39 AM
yes its a win but its not worth this much celebration because he only achieved 4th round spot

rolandgarros
03-17-2010, 05:39 AM
:rolleyes:

betowiec
03-17-2010, 05:41 AM
lung infection

EnriqueIG8
03-17-2010, 05:41 AM
Yes.. and the thing is, Federer didn't play bad but he was a complete choker in the important moments, imo.

Some times I wish Federer was stronger mentally even if that would mean being less talented. All this close losses after having the lead gotta hurt and Federer is by far the player leading the top 10 in choking matches.

Baggy played pretty well.

Dude what are you talking about? Federer is definately not the biggest choker in the top 10. He is/was one of the best frontrunners in the game.
Easily how people forget matches like Berdych AO9, Haas RG09 and many others in contrast to the matches he did actually choke.

You're being wayyyyyyyyyy to dramatic.

And to stay ontopic: Baghdatis was playing really well, Federer needs some match rhythm because obviously he cared about this match after hearing some come one's at 5-5 in the third set. He didn't play for almost 2 months so we need to cut him some slack.
I know Rafa also didn't play for 2 months but he's having a much higher standard level right now and I think Baghdatis also pushed him to three if he played like today. Nothing to worry about though, Djokovic isn't performing any better than Federer and neither is Murray. But I know at least they are winning...

tangerine_dream
03-17-2010, 05:41 AM
Marcos! :yippee: :woohoo: Finally. :D :hatoff:

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 05:41 AM
I was surprised how Federer was indifferent in this match. Actually showed a sign of good will only at 5:5 (15-30) in the third when played inside-outside forehand winner. What was he thinking? That Baghdatis always loses matches when an opponent reaches MP? ;)

Voo, do you have a list about number of times in which players have lost matches after having MP?

rubbERR
03-17-2010, 05:42 AM
youre playing against real mens quarterfinal matches, baghdatis just won against some who is grandslam king and pansy masterseries player

Bibberz
03-17-2010, 05:42 AM
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/phototime_01/January%202010/ohbaggy-1.jpg

SheepleBuster
03-17-2010, 05:42 AM
I am pretty sure Robredo will take this guy out. And if not him, then Roddick will. I am glad for Marcus. I really am. I just don't think he WON the match tonight. Federer lost it. That means if he plays a guy like Roddick or Murray, he won't be that lucky. Let's not forget Federer famously said "thank god hard court season is over" last year after Miami. This year it could be worse for him.

soraya
03-17-2010, 05:43 AM
Fed is generous, he knew Baghi needed a moral boost, and what a boost that is.;)

crude oil
03-17-2010, 05:43 AM
this match resembled the tsonga match..and to a certain extent the del potro match.

when federer had the lead, he was just way too relaxed. He was playing like a practice match...trying different shots...going for low percentage ones.

when the match got tight, he lost confidence and then started to guide his shots, and ended up netting bhs and missing fhs.

credit to baghdatis for hanging in there and just staying alive.

Voo de Mar
03-17-2010, 05:44 AM
Voo, do you have a list about number of times in which players have lost matches after having MP?

No, but I can easily count it when I need to know about a particular player.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-17-2010, 05:44 AM
Dude what are you talking about? Federer is definately not the biggest choker in the top 10. He is/was one of the best frontrunners in the game.
Easily how people forget matches like Berdych AO9, Haas RG09 and many others in contrast to the matches he did actually choke.

You're being wayyyyyyyyyy to dramatic.

Fully agree. Fed only cares of GS, people have to deal with this.

samanosuke
03-17-2010, 05:44 AM
I was surprised how Federer was indifferent in this match. Actually showed a sign of good will only at 5:5 (15-30) in the third when played inside-outside forehand winner. What was he thinking? That Baghdatis always loses matches when an opponent reaches MP? ;)

Actually about that I am thinking the hole time . He played the hole match like he was on the practice . Hole time I have a felling like this match isn't relate with him . And those match points he played like he wanted to miss . Why he even plays tournaments about which he doesn't care . He only sells out his reputation

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 05:45 AM
There seems to be a big disparity between him winning 3 out of the last 4 slams and his performance in these best of three set tournaments to call that just a coincedence. :p

I don't think it's a coincidence at all.
His performances in best-of-3 matches aren't in any way comparable to best-of-5's - Roger just somehow seems to be losing it a bit too often in the shorter format.

In this particular case, he got beaten by a clearly BETTER player, so what's the deal? Please don't give me any 'injuries, sickness, tiredness'-nonsense. THAT just happens to all of them players once in while.

Fedsie bumped into a BETTER player tonight, and that's all there is to say about it. Congrats, Marcos!!! :hatoff:

2moretogo
03-17-2010, 05:45 AM
how did that happen? Wow, Fed feeling it. Great job Marcos stepping it up when it mattered.

Haelfix
03-17-2010, 05:46 AM
Eesh, this was not a choke by Federer, he was mentally strong on a lot of points. Still, he got outplayed in the important points of the match. His bh was erratic tonight (as it often is early in tournaments, even slams), and it cost him against a really good player.

Anyone who knows anything about Roger, know's that he is a guy that gradually builds confidence and rhythm through a tourney. This time, he just happened to face a real hard 2nd round match in a best of 3.

Overall I thought the quality was pretty high between both guys. On many rallies, they were both playing brilliant tennis.

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 05:46 AM
Dude what are you talking about? Federer is definately not the biggest choker in the top 10. He is/was one of the best frontrunners in the game.
Easily how people forget matches like Berdych AO9, Haas RG09 and many others in contrast to the matches he did actually choke.

You're being wayyyyyyyyyy to dramatic.

Hmmm... on second thought, Roddick is a bigger choker than Fed but I genuinely think that Federer comes second in that department.

Not even players like Tsonga or Soderling would lose a match after having 2 MP in the second set, a 4-1 lead in the third and another MP at 6-5. And this is not the first time Federer loses a match like this. He does it way too often simply because he can't play at his best when things get tight and he's feeling the pressure. You could see at this match how his footwork was completely off in the important moments. He was just static. Hence the UE.

holagirl56
03-17-2010, 05:46 AM
Yes.. and the thing is, Federer didn't play bad but he was a complete choker in the important moments, imo.

Some times I wish Federer was stronger mentally even if that would mean being less talented. All this close losses after having the lead gotta hurt and Federer is by far the player leading the top 10 in choking matches.

Baggy played pretty well.

Are you shitting me? Extreme hyperbole there. Yes, Fed has choked away several matches, the most notable of recent chokes being the USO 2009 F. But to say that you'd trade his talent for better mental strength? He wouldn't be in half the positions TO choke without his talent.

And it's not like the guy is a complete mental midget. Wimbledon 2008 he saved two (or three?) match points with WINNERS against his biggest adversary -- it was his game that let him down in the end. Even when he was dominating, he had tight as shit matches like Halle 2006 where Rochus held 4 MP against him or TMC 2006 where Roddick held 3 MP against him. And how many times have we seen Federer face break points and just ace opponents? One particular moment comes to mind when Agassi had 3 bp against Fed and Fed hit three straight aces. Things swung his way back then because his game wasn't as volatile as it is now.

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 05:47 AM
No, but I can easily count it when I need to know about a particular player.

Could you help me with Federer, Nadal and Kolya please?

crude oil
03-17-2010, 05:48 AM
Hmmm... on second thought, Roddick is a bigger choker than Fed but I genuinely think that Federer comes second in that department.

Not even players like Tsonga or Soderling would lose a match after having 2 MP in the second set, a 4-1 lead in the third and another MP at 6-5. And this is not the first time Federer loses a match like this. He does it way too often simply because he can't play at his best when things get tight and he's feeling the pressure. You could see at this match how his footwork was completely off in the important moments. He was just static. Hence the UE.

its okay...even nadull lost a match like that to del potro.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 05:48 AM
SHEET, fellows, ever thought about the notion that some other, younger, player might just be BETTER than the Old Legend at times???

Michael Bluth
03-17-2010, 05:49 AM
Oh well. Maybe he'll follow this up like he did in Cincy; by winning. One can dream, no?

Guys, give Baghdatis his due though, all credit to him, he played really well.

I know a couple of Andy's who are happy about this.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 05:50 AM
ALL CREDITS to Bagghy, And please, let him BOINK out any of the upcoming Andy's... :worship:

swisht4u
03-17-2010, 05:51 AM
Baggy just played a darn good match. Fed wasn't at his best but it doesn't matter. Come prepared or go home.

holagirl56
03-17-2010, 05:51 AM
Hmmm... on second thought, Roddick is a bigger choker than Fed but I genuinely think that Federer comes second in that department.

Not even players like Tsonga or Soderling would lose a match after having 2 MP in the second set, a 4-1 lead in the third and another MP at 6-5. And this is not the first time Federer loses a match like this. He does it way too often simply because he can't play at his best when things get tight and he's feeling the pressure. You could see at this match how his footwork was completely off in the important moments. He was just static. Hence the UE.

There's a difference between choking while playing well and losing because your game isn't good enough on that particular day. I'd say it was a combination of those two factors tonight. It wasn't just the important moments that Fed was off...he was consistently missing easy putaways at 40-0, 40-15 up that helped Marcos build confidence.

Baghdatis72
03-17-2010, 05:51 AM
I am pretty sure Robredo will take this guy out. And if not him, then Roddick will. I am glad for Marcus. I really am. I just don't think he WON the match tonight. Federer lost it. That means if he plays a guy like Roddick or Murray, he won't be that lucky. Let's not forget Federer famously said "thank god hard court season is over" last year after Miami. This year it could be worse for him.


And Marcos lost many matches himself but the truth is that you have to be under pressure to get to that point and Federer was under pressure tonight. He was forced to lose the match. Kind of what happens with Djokovic who "forces" his opponents to lose the match against him in his last 5-6 encounters.

Bottom line though is that he saved 3 match points, served well, didn't choke and finished the match in style. Also some of the points were unbelievable and this was his 1st win over Federer/Nadal/Djokovic trio.

This was the break he needed for so long, regardless of what happens in the next rounds.

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana::banana::banana::banana:

Voo de Mar
03-17-2010, 05:53 AM
Could you help me with Federer, Nadal and Kolya please?

Ok.

Federer has won 10 matches after saving MP, lost 8 (with today's one) - 212 tournaments
Nadal 7-5 (126 tournaments)
Denko 5-2 (246 tournaments)

n8
03-17-2010, 05:54 AM
Roger choked spectaculary, like he did against Tsonga in Montreal 09 :retard:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2wd5x87.jpg

He wasted what? 4 MP?

Playing some passive game and when he attacked it was mishit after mishit after mishit

Haters: rejoice, Roger lost, now you can get back to your bashing ways without shame :yeah:



yeah, like he did at Roland Garros against Haas and Juan and Wimbledon against Duck :p :yeah:

but yeah, he does choke in close best of three matches a lot :lol:

Baggy, like Benneteau looked as if he won a Slam :lol:

UNBELIEVABLE! :D

What a story, Kohlschreiber yesterday lost first match in career after wasting match points in 134th tournament, now Baghdatis won first match in career (94th tournament) after saving match points - and did it in two sets :eek: Wow, Federer experienced something what isn't common for a long career - to lose a match having MP in 2 sets. A little consolation, almost certain it won't happen to him again :yeah:

I'm loving the stat contributions thanks.

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 05:54 AM
Are you shitting me? Extreme hyperbole there. Yes, Fed has choked away several matches, the most notable of recent chokes being the USO 2009 F. But to say that you'd trade his talent for better mental strength? He wouldn't be in half the positions TO choke without his talent.

And it's not like the guy is a complete mental midget. Wimbledon 2008 he saved two (or three?) match points with WINNERS against his biggest adversary -- it was his game that let him down in the end. Even when he was dominating, he had tight as shit matches like Halle 2006 where Rochus held 4 MP against him or TMC 2006 where Roddick held 3 MP against him. And how many times have we seen Federer face break points and just ace opponents? One particular moment comes to mind when Agassi had 3 bp against Fed and Fed hit three straight aces. Things swung his way back then because his game wasn't as volatile as it is now.

In a career with hundreds of matches, I and you can find the ones in which Federer won in tight conditions but I believe that the number of lost matches under those conditions are far bigger.
When Federer is leading and winning comfy, he's unstoppable but when things get really close, his game lets him down a little bit. I has always been like that. Hell, when he was younger it was a lot worse actually.

Federer already leads the all time ATP in matches lost after winning more points than his opponent.


I still like the bloke. He's my fave player and I think he's the most talented player I've ever seen but I do recognize he's mentally weaker than most of the top guys... And today was further proof of it.

EnriqueIG8
03-17-2010, 05:55 AM
Hmmm... on second thought, Roddick is a bigger choker than Fed but I genuinely think that Federer comes second in that department.

Not even players like Tsonga or Soderling would lose a match after having 2 MP in the second set, a 4-1 lead in the third and another MP at 6-5. And this is not the first time Federer loses a match like this. He does it way too often simply because he can't play at his best when things get tight and he's feeling the pressure. You could see at this match how his footwork was completely off in the important moments. He was just static. Hence the UE.

Okay Mr. Tennis Connaisseur tell me ALL the matches he choked away...because there are a lot aren't there?
If he was such a choke artist he wouldn't get to 16 slams and have a tremendous SF streak right?

Oh of course not, Tsonga is a really mentally strong player hence all the things he accomplished with his talent. Soderling didn't choke against Federer in USO 09 4th set tiebreak, Wimbledon 09 tiebreak and I can remember him choking away some set points at Wimbledon 07 or 08. But okay that obviously isn't choking to you.

The footwork was also static in the match against Hanescu, just like I said..he needs some match rhythm to get his footwork good again. He told a reporter at an interview he was just disappointed he got hit by the lung infection because his footwork was finally getting together at AO this year so I don't think this loss is a big deal.

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 05:56 AM
Ok.

Federer has won 10 matches after saving MP, lost 8 (with today's one) - 212 tournaments
Nadal 7-5 (126 tournaments)
Denko 5-2 (246 tournaments)

thanks for that :)

n8
03-17-2010, 05:57 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=159235

Arkulari
03-17-2010, 05:58 AM
thanks for that :)

so, he still has a positive number on that unlike you said :p

I though Rafa's numbers were better, he's just like Rogelio, with a +2 differential :scratch:

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 06:00 AM
Rafa to win the IW title/defend his points again. :dance:

holagirl56
03-17-2010, 06:02 AM
In a career with hundreds of matches, I and you can find the ones in which Federer won in tight conditions but I believe that the number of lost matches under those conditions are far bigger.
When Federer is leading and winning comfy, he's unstoppable but when things get really close, his game lets him down a little bit. I has always been like that. Hell, when he was younger it was a lot worse actually.

Federer already leads the all time ATP in matches lost after winning more points than his opponent.


I still like the bloke. He's my fave player and I think he's the most talented player I've ever seen but I do recognize he's mentally weaker than most of the top guys... And today was further proof of it.

I don't disagree entirely, but I think it's important to look at what part of his career. Because I'd say in the last few years, that can be the case, but only because his game isn't what it used to be. Especially in close matches where he may be missing a particular shot, when it comes down to it, is he really going to have confidence to make that shot?

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 06:05 AM
so, he still has a positive number on that unlike you said
?
I never said he didn't

JolánGagó
03-17-2010, 06:12 AM
:haha:

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 06:13 AM
Okay Mr. Tennis Connaisseur tell me ALL the matches he choked away...because there are a lot aren't there?
If he was such a choke artist he wouldn't get to 16 slams and have a tremendous SF streak right?

Oh of course not, Tsonga is a really mentally strong player hence all the things he accomplished with his talent. Soderling didn't choke against Federer in USO 09 4th set tiebreak, Wimbledon 09 tiebreak and I can remember him choking away some set points at Wimbledon 07 or 08. But okay that obviously isn't choking to you.

The footwork was also static in the match against Hanescu, just like I said..he needs some match rhythm to get his footwork good again. He told a reporter at an interview he was just disappointed he got hit by the lung infection because his footwork was finally getting together at AO this year so I don't think this loss is a big deal.

There are many of such matches... A bunch of times vs Nalby, Djokovic, Nadal and also a few times against others like that Simon guy.

Federer has achieved so much because he's amazingly talented and also because he's managed to control his emotions a lot better than he used to during mathces. He's not bad in the mental department but among the best he certainly is. He's far from being a cold blooded player like Borg or Nadal and I don't even think he's better than Tsonga as far as emotional mentality goes.

Federer's footwork has been a problem since the last 2 and a half years but you can see that when things get close, his footwork quality decreases a lot. Tonight I actually put a lot of attention on his movement (I generally do as I think Fed's footwork is an indication of his game) and it was clear when that he wasn't moving as much as it was needed in the big points. However, his overall footwork in this match -although it wasn't at his very best- wasn't bad.

That said, this loss isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things but it's revealing to see how Fed loses once again. If he had lost 6-3, 6-2 playing badly, it wouldn't bother me but to see him losing like this, choking the big points one more time... well, it just sucks.

I never expected to win this tournament but I would have preferred if he didn't lose this way... Well, at least it didn't happen against Nadal.

Xristos
03-17-2010, 06:14 AM
Roger choked spectaculary, like he did against Tsonga in Montreal 09 :retard:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2wd5x87.jpg

He wasted what? 4 MP?

Playing some passive game and when he attacked it was mishit after mishit after mishit

Haters: rejoice, Roger lost, now you can get back to your bashing ways without shame :yeah:



yeah, like he did at Roland Garros against Haas and Juan and Wimbledon against Duck :p :yeah:

but yeah, he does choke in close best of three matches a lot :lol:

Baggy, like Benneteau looked as if he won a Slam :lol:
Now watch him win Miami like he did Cincy last year.

Turquoise
03-17-2010, 06:15 AM
No matter what form Federer is in, all matches against him are mentally tough.

Baghdatis got a well deserved scalp. Many congratulations to him :worship:

leng jai
03-17-2010, 06:20 AM
Call me when he does this in a slam.

Mechlan
03-17-2010, 06:21 AM
Very glad to see Baghdatis win, you could see how important it was to him. Played better and better as the match went on, and a good fight, I thought he was toast at 4-5 in the second. :yeah:


That said, this loss isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things but it's revealing to see how Fed loses once again. If he had lost 6-3, 6-2 playing badly, it wouldn't bother me but to see him losing like this, choking the big points one more time... well, it just sucks.


It also has something to do with the way he plays. When Federer is missing slightly or his serve is somewhat off, he finds the balance between offense and defense tough and ends up missing what appear to be relatively easy shots. But don't underestimate his fight, there are a lot of matches he should have lost much more easily that he drags out even when he's not playing well.

leng jai
03-17-2010, 06:29 AM
FEDCLOWN STRIKES AGAIN....LOL

(This is a pitty reply)

Bibberz
03-17-2010, 06:33 AM
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/phototime_01/January%202010/ohbaggy-1.jpg

Bibberz
03-17-2010, 06:34 AM
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/phototime_01/January%202010/ohbaggy-1.jpg

Bibberz
03-17-2010, 06:34 AM
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/phototime_01/January%202010/ohbaggy-1.jpg

jcempire
03-17-2010, 06:38 AM
I lost 12000 ..........

What's wrong with FED? give me my money back.

jcempire
03-17-2010, 06:39 AM
yikes...pretty bad from Roger....now who will win this tournament :rolleyes:

DID I say it before it starts....

Nadal or Murray

No one else can beat this two

and 100% Nadal is way better than 100%Fed

paseo
03-17-2010, 06:40 AM
Now Baghdatis, please, please, pretty please... don't lose in the next round. And make it to the SF while you're at it :D

@ abraxas21 :
don't take it too hard. judging from your posts here, it's very obvious that this loss is really hurting you. Fed will be fine, he just needs more matches to get his AO form back.

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 06:44 AM
yeah, it bothered me for some reason. even though i never expected federer to win this after not playing in 1 and a half month...

I hope Baggy keeps his form. I think there's a chance he might beat Murray if he gets to the SF but he's certainly not beating Nadal in an eventual final.

Eden
03-17-2010, 06:52 AM
The Sampras course strikes again I see. No more exhos with Pete please, Roger :p j/k

Really not the news I wanted to wake up to as much as I like Marcos. But from what I heard he played very good and hopefully he will keep up his kind of level. Congrats to this victory which will surely mean a lot for him :)

Disappointing to see Roger losing, especially after having MPs. This must be the first time since Rome 2006 where he lost a match after wasting MPs.

Well, hopefully he will play better in Miami.

Topspin Forehand
03-17-2010, 06:52 AM
Vamos Baghdatis.

dabeast
03-17-2010, 06:55 AM
There are many of such matches... A bunch of times vs Nalby, Djokovic, Nadal and also a few times against others like that Simon guy.

Federer has achieved so much because he's amazingly talented and also because he's managed to control his emotions a lot better than he used to during mathces. He's not bad in the mental department but among the best he certainly is. He's far from being a cold blooded player like Borg or Nadal and I don't even think he's better than Tsonga as far as emotional mentality goes.

Federer's footwork has been a problem since the last 2 and a half years but you can see that when things get close, his footwork quality decreases a lot. Tonight I actually put a lot of attention on his movement (I generally do as I think Fed's footwork is an indication of his game) and it was clear when that he wasn't moving as much as it was needed in the big points. However, his overall footwork in this match -although it wasn't at his very best- wasn't bad.

That said, this loss isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things but it's revealing to see how Fed loses once again. If he had lost 6-3, 6-2 playing badly, it wouldn't bother me but to see him losing like this, choking the big points one more time... well, it just sucks.

I never expected to win this tournament but I would have preferred if he didn't lose this way... Well, at least it didn't happen against Nadal.

Wow, that's just BS. You don't get to where Fed is, with his GS semi streak and record 16 slams being a so-called choker. Look, it happens, Fed got tight and nervous in the latter stage of the match, his game went off, whether it's the pressure directly resulting his game or not, but the combination of nerves and he being off his game resulted in a loss to the better player. I mean with the kind of game he plays, considering he shanks more balls than any other player in the top 10, you'd expect Fed to start making errors on even the easiest shots. His game is based on timing and footwork, tonight he didn't have both, and once the timing goes, take a look at what happened to his grounstrokes. No way in hell he was winning this match. when i saw how strained his face was, I knew he knew he couldn't win it, not with his current form.

Also, if Fed was traded in half his talent for mental strength, I for sure wouldn't support him. His genius is the big reason why i'm his fan. most times, I'd rather him lose beautifully than win ugly that's for sure.

Clydey
03-17-2010, 06:58 AM
FEDCLOWN STRIKES AGAIN....LOL

(This is a pitty reply)

Cheers for that, Bruce. :hug:

Clydey
03-17-2010, 06:59 AM
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/phototime_01/January%202010/ohbaggy-1.jpg

Quite.

leng jai
03-17-2010, 06:59 AM
Cheers for that, Bruce. :hug:

Call me Chang

samanosuke
03-17-2010, 07:00 AM
Disappointing to see Roger losing, especially after having MPs. This must be the first time since Rome 2006 where he lost a match after wasting MPs.




And he throw them in the wind in almost similar way as he did in Rome

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 07:00 AM
FEDCLOWN STRIKES AGAIN....LOL

(This is a pitty reply)

:haha:

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/phototime_01/January%202010/ohbaggy-1.jpg

:worship: :worship: :worship: Mr. Baggster. :D

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 07:01 AM
Wow, that's just BS. You don't get to where Fed is, with his GS semi streak and record 16 slams being a so-called choker. Look, it happens, Fed got tight and nervous in the latter stage of the match, his game went off, whether it's the pressure directly resulting his game or not, but the combination of nerves and he being off his game resulted in a loss to the better player. I mean with the kind of game he plays, considering he shanks more balls than any other player in the top 10, you'd expect Fed to start making errors on even the easiest shots. His game is based on timing and footwork, tonight he didn't have both, and once the timing goes, take a look at what happened to his grounstrokes. No way in hell he was winning this match. when i saw how strained his face was, I knew he knew he couldn't win it, not with his current form.

Also, if Fed was traded in half his talent for mental strength, I for sure wouldn't support him. His genius is the big reason why i'm his fan. most times, I'd rather him lose beautifully than win ugly that's for sure.

after having wasted 3 MP and squandered a 4-1 lead in the third set, I think Federer actually should have won this match... but what the hell...

I like Federer for his talent too. I just wish he was stronger mentally.

Clydey
03-17-2010, 07:03 AM
Call me Chang

Your full name is Bruce Chang. I like to call you both to mix it up a little.

But sure, I'll call you Chang, Chang.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 07:05 AM
Your full name is Bruce Chang. I like to call you both to mix it up a little.

But sure, I'll call you Chang, Chang.

Gorgeous avvy. :hearts: :worship:

Edited. Beecsaue of the ´Monster´ designed already in my avvy. :o:angel:

abraxas21
03-17-2010, 07:08 AM
Andy_Murray Twitter: "I just came."

2 minutes ago.

:lol:

good one :)

leng jai
03-17-2010, 07:08 AM
KarEn is taking the racism to the next level, calling you Adrian.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 07:10 AM
KarEn is taking the racism to the next level, calling you Adrian.

Corrected right there love. :hug:









.... :ras:

Clydey
03-17-2010, 07:14 AM
Gorgeous avvy. :hearts: :worship:

Edited. Beecsaue of the ´Monster´ designed already in my avvy. :o:angel:

KarEn is taking the racism to the next level, calling you Adrian.

I missed it. Karin called me Adrian? Who's Adrian, Chang?

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 07:20 AM
I missed it. Karin called me Adrian? Who's Adrian, Chang?

Something like that. :angel:

Kudos to Muzza Wuss, he´s going through, where as Fedsie doesn´t.
And deservedly so. ;)

tea
03-17-2010, 07:23 AM
Gotta love these full of motivation Federer matches.:hearts: And that's always good when this mug loses to classy players, so well done Marcos.:yeah:

Call me when he does this in a slam.
Yea, that's gonna be a long wait.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 07:30 AM
Yea, that's gonna be a long wait.

I don´t think so. It´s a mere matter of time.

Bash me if you like for this statement, I´ve gotten used to that by now...

*Ljubica*
03-17-2010, 07:40 AM
Marcos :bigclap: Wonderful result to wake up - can't wait to catch the highlights on TV when I get home from work tonight. Congrats :D

leng jai
03-17-2010, 07:41 AM
I missed it. Karin called me Adrian? Who's Adrian, Chang?

My non cliche/racist name is actually Adrian, but its a moot point since no calls me Adrian anyway.

bokehlicious
03-17-2010, 07:45 AM
Call me when he does this in a slam.

This. :)

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 07:46 AM
My non cliche/racist name is actually Adrian, but its a moot point since no calls me Adrian anyway.

:ras: :hearts: :D

leng jai
03-17-2010, 07:48 AM
The irony is that this has surpassed the "official" Federer/Bagdhatis thread in every way imaginable. Vamos!

Clydey
03-17-2010, 07:49 AM
My non cliche/racist name is actually Adrian, but its a moot point since no calls me Adrian anyway.

I know that's your name. I was being facetious, jokingly asking who Adrian is while calling you Chang.

karadjordje
03-17-2010, 07:53 AM
Ha,ha what happened Nole haters ,Fed is a has been. Fed has lost to a guy that Nole toys with. Nole future number 1 :rolleyes:

leng jai
03-17-2010, 07:56 AM
I know that's your name. I was being facetious, jokingly asking who Adrian is while calling you Chang.

Yes I know you know, I was pretending to not know to increase the post count of this quality thread.

Eden
03-17-2010, 07:58 AM
Ha,ha what happened Nole haters ,Fed is a has been.

Great has been Fed is with being ranked #1 and holding the first GS title of the year ;)

Beside this don't generalize people. I'm sure you'll find people here who don't like Novak who aren't just Roger fans ;)


Fed has lost to a guy that Nole toys with. Nole future number 1 :rolleyes:

Roger has lost to way more weaker players as Marcos :shrug:

madmax
03-17-2010, 08:08 AM
GOAT was generous enough to gift a meaningless match to struggling Mughdatis...now watch him pulling a Cincy in Miami next week

manadrainer
03-17-2010, 08:33 AM
Waiting for some "Fed should retire" thread...

-Valhalla-
03-17-2010, 08:35 AM
Good match. Too bad Fed couldn’t close the show [I wanted a Naderer final :( ], but all credit to Bags for some spectacular shotmaking and clawing his way back when all seemed lost.

Well done Bags ... and I hope you put a beatdown on Boredo tomorrow.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2010, 08:38 AM
Ha,ha what happened Nole haters ,Fed is a has been. Fed has lost to a guy that Nole toys with. Nole future number 1 :rolleyes:

Just a matter of time for some Serbian tool (NB: no insult to the nice Djokovic fans!) to show up in a thread that has NOTHING to do with Djokovic, again. :rolleyes:

Good match. Too bad Fed couldn’t close the show [I wanted a Naderer final :( ], but all credit to Bags for some spectacular shotmaking and clawing his way back when all seemed lost.

Well done Bags ... and I hope you put a beatdown on Boredo tomorrow.

Couldn't agree with you more! :D
Go Baggsie!!! :rocker2:

Topspin Forehand
03-17-2010, 08:39 AM
Indian Wells is definitely slower than the Australian Open. Too bad Indian Wells isn't a slam.

Aenea
03-17-2010, 08:45 AM
Good match. Too bad Fed couldn’t close the show [I wanted a Naderer final :( ], but all credit to Bags for some spectacular shotmaking and clawing his way back when all seemed lost.

Well done Bags ... and I hope you put a beatdown on Boredo tomorrow.
Today :) All 4th rnds will be played today.

paseo
03-17-2010, 08:45 AM
Waiting for some "Fed should retire" thread...

This mug Federer is done. He should retire.


(not a thread, but here's a post for you to get started).

Chiseller
03-17-2010, 08:49 AM
Not sure what's funnier.
To put money on Federer outside of Slams. Writing in caps that no one shall dare (in a morally superior manner) to bring up the pneumonia while no one actually did. Calling Federer the biggest choker in the top ten. Baggy showing in manly way what he did to Federer.
Though, the winrar is
http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv137/psp358/gifs/rafaelnadal-fu.gif

dodo
03-17-2010, 08:53 AM
oh jeez

manadrainer
03-17-2010, 08:55 AM
This mug Federer is done. He should retire.


(not a thread, but here's a post for you to get started).

Expected.



(Another epic comment around here.) :haha:

scoobs
03-17-2010, 08:59 AM
Good effort from Baggy. Nice that he gets a spin on the "I beat Federer in best of 3" fairground attraction.

As Adrian Chang-san said, call me when someone does this in best of 5.

Jelena
03-17-2010, 03:59 PM
Not unexpected, Roger hasn't played decent tennis at Indian Wells or Miami for years now. I seriously wonder why he bothers showing up at tournaments he doesn't seem to care about winning. Expect another early loss in a couple of weeks too. :scratch:
You obviously forget that he is OBLIGATED to play those two tournaments. ;)

guga2120
03-17-2010, 04:08 PM
Great fight Marcos, its great to see somebody not choke against Roger for a change.

I am a little disappointed I wanted to see Murray/Federer play again, but too good from Baghdatis.

Olorin
03-17-2010, 04:14 PM
Hopefully Nadal gets knocked out by Isner next round.

Regards,

Midnight Ninja
03-17-2010, 04:49 PM
Tennis won.

thrust
03-17-2010, 04:51 PM
federer sucked

OF COURSE HE DID, HE LOST-LOL!! True, Roger was erratic, but he did play rather well. The good news is that Marco did not choke it away and seems to be in good shape and playing well again. BRAVO MARCO!!

rofe
03-17-2010, 05:16 PM
Fed will obviously be disappointed but he will get over it. Unlucky that he came across an in form Baggy in the 3rd round after such a long absence.

This match should be a great confidence builder for Baggy though and some of this shots were out of this world. He just went for broke and it worked.

tnosugar
03-17-2010, 05:31 PM
Fed will obviously be disappointed but he will get over it. Unlucky that he came across an in form Baggy in the 3rd round after such a long absence.

This match should be a great confidence builder for Baggy though and some of this shots were out of this world. He just went for broke and it worked.

He's been in form since Dubai. Gave Novak a run for the money. If his stamina was at IW level back then, he could have very well won the tourney.
Let's see if he can keep it up. I'm glad he's back. A great personality.

rocketassist
03-17-2010, 05:36 PM
If only the third set in Melbourne had gone the way it should have...this Chokerer bottles it when it's tight.

Everko
03-17-2010, 06:01 PM
what a shock. Not a choke, finally someone dosen't let Fraud off the hook

a_boy
03-17-2010, 06:02 PM
I've never believed that Federer doesn't try at the smaller tournaments, but he really looked like he just didn't give a shit on those match points. :o He didn't look tight to me, just not sharp and focused on hitting the ball. Baghdatis obviously played very well though.

elessar
03-17-2010, 06:13 PM
What a ridiculous loss regardless of Baggy's level of play :mad:

Certainly not the first choktastic loss in MS but it's been a while since he wasted MPs, it was a nice added touch Roger :hug:
Congrats Baggy :worship:

tennishero
03-17-2010, 07:13 PM
great victory for baggy, happy for him and he won me some nice cash, bet him to win 2-1 :)

marcRD
03-17-2010, 07:17 PM
Federer was shit, I still think he was somewhat better than what Murray and Djokovic have been in this tournament so far. Nadal plays always his best in indian wells, this is his chanse to find some old form before clay season.

DrJules
03-17-2010, 07:19 PM
Federer certainly had his chances with 3 match points and a break up in 3rd set.

All 3 match points Federer had ended with an unforced error from Federer.

marcRD
03-17-2010, 07:29 PM
Federer certainly had his chances with 3 match points and a break up in 3rd set.

All 3 match points Federer had ended with an unforced error from Federer.

Yeah, Federer was just playing too aggressive out there, the opposite of Murray. He was just not in the mood to play long rallies with Baghy for 3 sets, he was kind of gambling. But I would expect him to play smart when he has match points and Baghy is nervous, he was just trying to just finish it quickly with difficult shots even then and he was not playing good enought to play ultra aggressive tennis.

If this would be a grand slam ofcourse Baghy would prob not even get a set from Fed and Fed would rally for 3 hours if that would be required for him to beat Baghy, but I guess in Fed's mind it isnt worth it to play long rallies for 2-3 hours against pushers and defensive minded players for 6 days in a tournament that in history wont matter anyway, he goes for broke and just starts playing sharp tennis in semifinals and finals.

Just look at how Djokovic has been wasting physical and mental energy week in and out, if this continues in the clay season and he once again gets far in every tournament there he will get to RG and Wimbledon very tired and I would expect a similar result as last year.

In the end this tournament is only important for the nr1 record which is still very safe, it is not even a buildup to a big tournament like cincy and canada or the clay MS, Federer wont win many Indian Wells/Miami for the rest of his career, that is my prediction. I think he still might win a clay MS and one of the summer hardcourt MS.

Commander Data
03-17-2010, 07:33 PM
kinda expected. sigh.

KoOlMaNsEaN
03-17-2010, 07:40 PM
first time in 4 years losing when having a match point.

Unfortunately I was waiting for a loss in this tournament.

BlackSilver
03-17-2010, 07:42 PM
All 3 match points Federer had ended with an unforced error from Federer.

Stop talking crap, one of them Baghdatis won with a cross court backhand

Orka_n
03-17-2010, 08:45 PM
Expected tank from Feddy. I'm a little happy for Baggy though. :)

JeffCandoi
03-17-2010, 08:47 PM
fed is :retard: no fight, no heart.. Baghi is bigger :yeah:

Arkulari
03-17-2010, 08:51 PM
what a shock. Not a choke, finally someone dosen't let Fraud off the hook

:haha: :haha: :haha:

as usual Everko delivers :worship:

it's not as if Roger had the lead and choked it away (though Baggy was playing very well, he still would have lost if Roger hadn't choked)

oh wait...

the things I gotta see after a shitty flight... *facepalm*

Lopez
03-17-2010, 08:55 PM
My draw challenge is screwed now, have to hope that some random mug like Almagro makes the final so that everyone else's draws will get messed up as well :lol:

alfonsojose
03-17-2010, 08:57 PM
Roger in SerenaFed mode. Slams are what matters :p
And what was doing Baghdatis wearing those Cyprus logos and flags?. Don't mix tennis with politics :smash:

Getta
03-17-2010, 09:12 PM
And what was doing Baghdatis wearing those Cyprus logos and flags?. Don't mix tennis with politics :smash:

his contract with Adidas has not been renewed.

so, now Marcos is branding Cyprus tourism; i'd say he's a kind of global ambassador to promote Cyprus as a holiday destination. in other words, the Cyprus Tourism Organisation (http://www.visitcyprus.com/wps/portal) is Marcos' key sponsor.

KarlyM
03-17-2010, 09:22 PM
This was definitely not the worse match I've ever seen Federer play. It's just surprising to see him lose after having 3 MP's and being up a break in the 3rd. Fed was making quite a number of easy mistakes, and Baggy did a great job hanging in there - some great cross court shots and taking advantage of Fed's 2nd serves.

I'm happy to see Baggy get a big win. :hug:

When I was watching this last night, I was laughing at how disinterested Gwen Stefani looked at the match and how it reminded me of the Wimbledon '08 final... :spit:

Bashak
03-17-2010, 09:31 PM
Good Job Marcos!
Shame on mtf board for going down and not letting me vbet on this :ras:

I don't understand why his adidas contract was not renewed. Adidas sponsors much lower ranked players. :confused: I don't understand why any sponsor would dump him, he clearly has more fans than some of the higher ranked players.

Hingisova
03-17-2010, 10:04 PM
Well done by the Bagman to hang in there...Rog just had too many aggressive errors:rolleyes: his looping forehand was from hell:devil: Congrats to Marcos!:D

hingisova:wavey:

habibko
03-17-2010, 10:13 PM
Great stuff from Baggy, fought hard and believed in himself playing confidently even when facing match points, as for Fed it's more of the same from him outside of Slams, I got used to it.

federersforehand
03-17-2010, 11:34 PM
lol at baggy saying it was his best win ever, 3rd round of a TMS event...and kisses the court, such is federers aura these days i guess..

as for fed, the rustiness from not playing for 2 months was evident here tonight, even so, he played shiiiiiiiiiiterific by his standards,
meh a dissapointment, but until fed goes out before a semi in a GS im not worried at all :P

Topspin Forehand
03-17-2010, 11:36 PM
Federer is done.

JoshDragon
03-18-2010, 05:17 AM
Expected. Didn't expect it to be so close - Federer had 3 match points. Mug era.

How was this expected? isn't Federer the number 1 seed?

And in what way does his loss, reflect on this era being weaker or stronger. Fed's reached 23 straight semis at the majors, you can't possibly call him a mental weakling.

tennis2tennis
03-18-2010, 05:24 AM
How was this expected? isn't Federer the number 1 seed?

And in what way does his loss, reflect on this era being weaker or stronger. Fed's reached 23 straight semis at the majors, you can't possibly call him a mental weakling.

please refrain from feeding the trolls;)

Corey Feldman
03-18-2010, 10:56 AM
unbelievably pathetic from Federer .. as expected

why is he playing these tournaments? seriously... it seems to me thesedays he turns up to these tournaments for charity purposes or if he is to get some award presented to him

its a complete joke how he treats the matches, choking to Baghdatis of all ppl is the lowest of all his pathetic losses in the last 3 years - although he shouldnt even have been in the position to choke

Rafa#Uno:-)
03-18-2010, 11:52 AM
Federer, you have always been a choker but this was fucking ridiculous. as usual when things get tight, federer's footwork becomes pathetic and starts missing shots he usually makes.


2 MP in the second set, gone. 4-1 lead in the third set, gone. 1 more MP at 6-5 in the third set, gone.

this choke is on par with the one you pulled against Clownga last year.

a little hard calling Federer a choker. If you say so everybody is a choker. His playing style is leaves no room for errors. Maybe he should start to moonball on matchpoints....:angel:

coonster14
03-18-2010, 12:02 PM
nice work baggy!!! didnt think he would beat federer, although this is a MS, bit surprised fed had 3 match points and still lost...has not happened for a while where he lost a match where he held match points.

too bad baggy could not beat robredo :(

Rafa#Uno:-)
03-18-2010, 12:02 PM
Yeah, Federer was just playing too aggressive out there, the opposite of Murray. He was just not in the mood to play long rallies with Baghy for 3 sets, he was kind of gambling. But I would expect him to play smart when he has match points and Baghy is nervous, he was just trying to just finish it quickly with difficult shots even then and he was not playing good enought to play ultra aggressive tennis.

If this would be a grand slam ofcourse Baghy would prob not even get a set from Fed and Fed would rally for 3 hours if that would be required for him to beat Baghy, but I guess in Fed's mind it isnt worth it to play long rallies for 2-3 hours against pushers and defensive minded players for 6 days in a tournament that in history wont matter anyway, he goes for broke and just starts playing sharp tennis in semifinals and finals.

Just look at how Djokovic has been wasting physical and mental energy week in and out, if this continues in the clay season and he once again gets far in every tournament there he will get to RG and Wimbledon very tired and I would expect a similar result as last year.

In the end this tournament is only important for the nr1 record which is still very safe, it is not even a buildup to a big tournament like cincy and canada or the clay MS, Federer wont win many Indian Wells/Miami for the rest of his career, that is my prediction. I think he still might win a clay MS and one of the summer hardcourt MS.

all this talk about Slams is everything its a explanation. Of course not! Fed wants to win all matches he is professional and a winner. You cant be a winner and want to loose. But best of 5ives suits Fed better.
Better players likes best of 5.

SerenaFederer
03-18-2010, 12:28 PM
all this talk about Slams is everything its a explanation. Of course not! Fed wants to win all matches he is professional and a winner. You cant be a winner and want to loose. But best of 5ives suits Fed better.
Better players likes best of 5.

it's not the he wants to lose...he just won't fight as much for the win as if he were at a slam :shrug:

abraxas21
03-18-2010, 12:43 PM
a little hard calling Federer a choker. If you say so everybody is a choker. His playing style is leaves no room for errors. Maybe he should start to moonball on matchpoints....:angel:

yeah, i was a little bit too haesh... my way of coping with my own frustration, i guess :)

calvinhobbes
03-18-2010, 05:59 PM
Roger is giving back old favors. All his pigeons of yore will get their reward on due time...:devil::devil::devil:

soraya
03-18-2010, 06:25 PM
Roger is giving back old favors. All his pigeons of yore will get their reward on due time...:devil::devil::devil:
I can see each one of them saying, "the best day/victory of my life was when I beat Fed."

Certinfy
03-18-2010, 06:33 PM
Beating Federer then losing to Robredo :haha:

Baghdatis72
03-18-2010, 07:10 PM
:help:

Corey Feldman
03-18-2010, 07:20 PM
Beating Federer then losing to Robredo :haha:becoming a trend, they give the all to beat Fed and celebrate like they won the tournament (look at Benneteau, Radek and Karlovic) in recent years

no surpise they play so bad the next match

Sunset of Age
03-18-2010, 07:22 PM
becoming a trend, they give the all to beat Fed and celebrate like they won the tournament (look at Benneteau, Radek and Karlovic) in recent years

no surpise they play so bad the next match

:lol: - well it should be something to be able to tell your grandchildren in 2074, "hey I beat the GOAT on March 16th 2010" eh?

dodo
03-18-2010, 07:26 PM
becoming a trend, they give the all to beat Fed and celebrate like they won the tournament (look at Benneteau, Radek and Karlovic) in recent years

no surpise they play so bad the next match

cant blame them, really.

Smoke944
03-18-2010, 07:51 PM
becoming a trend, they give the all to beat Fed and celebrate like they won the tournament (look at Benneteau, Radek and Karlovic) in recent years

no surpise they play so bad the next match

yep, says a lot about these player's mindsets and what they truly believe what they can achieve.

habibko
03-18-2010, 08:39 PM
Actually about that I am thinking the hole time . He played the hole match like he was on the practice . Hole time I have a felling like this match isn't relate with him . And those match points he played like he wanted to miss . Why he even plays tournaments about which he doesn't care . He only sells out his reputation

it isn't like he doesn't give a shit about anything outside of GSs, yes he doesn't care as much but he is a competitive person and never likes to lose, and that's why he became the GOAT and achieved all these records.

it's not like he is losing 6-1, 6-0 ala Llodra and co., there is no reputation selling here :retard: and needless to say Baghdatis deserves alot of credit for this win.

«Ivan»
03-18-2010, 08:40 PM
it isn't like he doesn't give a shit about anything outside of GSs, yes he doesn't care as much but he is a competitive person,

fed told you this crap personally?as a friend?

habibko
03-18-2010, 08:47 PM
SHEET, fellows, ever thought about the notion that some other, younger, player might just be BETTER than the Old Legend at times???

I understand what you kept repeating that Baggy was better at the day and hence he won, but this? :confused:

if Baghdatis played Federer in AO this year, he would have done well to win one set.

Sunset of Age
03-18-2010, 08:55 PM
I understand what you kept repeating that Baggy was better at the day and hence he won, but this? :confused:

Simple. Feds isn't getting any younger, and thus, not getting any better. Hence, the chances of him running into a better player on a given day will only get bigger as time goes on. This time, it happened to be an on-fire Baggy. :shrug:
Or are we having some misunderstanding here of which I am not aware? :wavey:

if Baghdatis played Federer in AO this year, he would have done well to win one set.

Whatever would have happened at the AO doesn't have anything to do with what happened here... if only for the simple reason that bo5 matches suit Federer a lot better than bo3 nowadays.
So yes, you are probably right on this, but... like I said. :shrug:

habibko
03-18-2010, 09:01 PM
fed told you this crap personally?as a friend?

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv137/psp358/gifs/rafaelnadal-fu.gif

habibko
03-18-2010, 09:05 PM
Simple. Feds isn't getting any younger, and thus, not getting any better. Hence, the chances of him running into a better player on a given day will only get bigger as time goes on. This time, it happened to be an on-fire Baggy. :shrug:
Or are we having some misunderstanding here of which I am not aware? :wavey:

Whatever would have happened at the AO doesn't have anything to do with what happened here... if only for the simple reason that bo5 matches suit Federer a lot better than bo3 nowadays.
So yes, you are probably right on this, but... like I said. :shrug:

yes Federer is not good enough to beat Baghdatis these days... :rolleyes:

he had match points in this one but couldn't capitalize, he was a few points away from victory against Benneteau and led 5-1 against Tsonga before losing both, and then he won AO with style afterwards.

these type of matches mean nothing as to where Federer's game stands right now.

Sunset of Age
03-19-2010, 12:24 AM
yes Federer is not good enough to beat Baghdatis these days... :rolleyes:

That's NOT what I said, and you know it, Habib. ;)
Federer lost THIS match, partly due to his own bad playing, and even more, due to Baghdatis taking his chances when he got them, whereas Feds shanked them big time. It... happens, you know, just like it happens to many, if not ALL, top players once in a while.
Credits given where they are due.

he had match points in this one but couldn't capitalize, he was a few points away from victory against Benneteau and led 5-1 against Tsonga before losing both, and then he won AO with style afterwards.

Yep. We all know that. What's your point, exactly? :confused:
Like I said before, bo5-matches suit Federer a lot more than bo3-s, what's the deal? :shrug:

these type of matches mean nothing as to where Federer's game stands right now.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, of course.
I happen to think that Fed's struggling in bo3-format matches clearly tells a story about where his game stands right now. He's just no longer in his prime, no big deal, it was bound to happen sooner or later. As long as he continues to do well at the slams, he's still a force to reckon with. :)

And that said, I hope he's learned a lesson from this loss, and will be able to do better in Miami. I'm sure he'll at least give his best try over there. :D

Ibracadabra
03-19-2010, 12:42 AM
says alot about the player if baggy can beat you

soraya
03-19-2010, 07:50 AM
becoming a trend, they give the all to beat Fed and celebrate like they won the tournament (look at Benneteau, Radek and Karlovic) in recent years

no surpise they play so bad the next match

:lol::lol: it starts by kissing the court, eyes upward to heaven while kissing the cross, hugs and kisses to whoever comes across while sprinting to their camp's box. More talk, hugs, kisses, pat in the backs, in the privacy of the locker room with the closest well wishers. No sleep, dreaming with eyes wide open about the "one in a lifetime match" all these can be emotionally draining, no wonder they are wiped out the next day by...whoever.;)

Nr 1 Fan
03-19-2010, 06:51 PM
Fed should only be involved playing in Slams.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck for other tournaments.

leng jai
03-19-2010, 10:55 PM
I love people still arguing about Fedclown and his non-slam event shenanigans. Its pretty obvious that he doesn't really care, has he ever lost a match like this in the last 5 years at slams? How many times had he done it in 250s/500s Masters events?

Sunset of Age
03-19-2010, 11:01 PM
I love people still arguing about Fedclown and his non-slam event shenanigans. Its pretty obvious that he doesn't really care, has he ever lost a match like this in the last 5 years at slams? How many times had he done it in 250s/500s Masters events?

How about the possibility of him just not being as good as he used to be anymore? Saying 'he doesn't care' is a sheer offence to the better playing opponent who managed to win these matches, imho.
He hasn't lost like 'this' in a slam in the past five years, no. Obviously. But it's bound to happen and I won't be surprised if it will happen very soon indeed.
But whatever rocks your boat. :shrug:

leng jai
03-19-2010, 11:29 PM
He doesn't care as much these days, and its easy to see why when you look at his record. Yes he is getting worse which is natural but his slam record has been pretty much identical for the last 5 years while his performances at lesser events has plummeted in comparison.

heya
03-19-2010, 11:45 PM
2006 Australian Open- Baghdatis had a 7-5, 3-0 lead against FedTiger, & choked with a 30-40 chance to go up 2 breaks.
That's after Baghdatis' semi-difficult draw.

2005 Australian Open- Every apologist felt sorry for FederinaWoods. Hit the ball between his legs. 5-1 tiebreak loss.

Then again, his draws were 1-2 hour cake walks.

His match "win" in the 2004 Indian Wells QF was a robbery. It didn't stop Espn from showing it again in 2005.

Voo de Mar
03-20-2010, 12:31 AM
2006 Australian Open- Baghdatis had a 7-5, 3-0 lead against FedTiger, & choked with a 30-40 chance to go up 2 breaks.


2:0* (40-30).