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Why is Yevgeny Kafelnikov being overlooked for HoF induction?

Rosa Luxembourg
02-14-2010, 03:48 PM
Surely, with the exception of Agassi, he is the most deserving former player who is elgible (since 2008) and has very nice achievements to back it up. Has he done something to piss off some power houses in the world of tennis? Any ideas?

Bad Religion
02-14-2010, 04:15 PM
He is not aussie , yankee , british nor french
Hope this helps

madmax
02-14-2010, 04:20 PM
no idea, as he was my favorite players from the 90's...clean, crisp ball striking at it's finest

alfonsojose
02-14-2010, 04:20 PM
Yevgeny :hearts:

Rosa Luxembourg
02-14-2010, 04:31 PM
I remember that when he was leaving in 2003, there were rumour circlulating in the fall (started at the US Open) that he had something to do with betting. Could this be the reason?

Riosreigned
02-14-2010, 04:39 PM
He should be in the Hall of Fame by now. His accomplishments exceed many inductees such as Chang and Sabatini. Non-Americans sometimes get short shrift for whatever reasons.

Every year that goes by that Kafelnikov is not voted in is a massive insult to the credibility of the entire voting process.

Rosa Luxembourg
02-14-2010, 04:44 PM
He should be in the Hall of Fame by now. His accomplishments exceed many inductees such as Chang and Sabatini. Non-Americans sometimes get short shrift for whatever reasons.

Every year that goes by that Kafelnikov is not voted in is a massive insult to the credibility of the entire voting process.


And this year - hold on to your seat - Anders Jarryd. :p

NYMIKE
02-14-2010, 04:53 PM
He was much better player than Chang who is a hall of famer, also he was the first Russian champion, deserves induction in my book.

abraxas21
02-14-2010, 04:54 PM
Westerners don't like Russians.

Puschkin
02-14-2010, 04:57 PM
no idea, as he was my favorite players from the 90's.
Mine, too, though he sometimes made it hard to like him. ;)

Goldenoldie
02-14-2010, 05:18 PM
I think it's a meaningless distinction. I didn't even know tennis had a Hall of Fame until this thread.

CooCooCachoo
02-14-2010, 05:26 PM
I think it's a meaningless distinction. I didn't even know tennis had a Hall of Fame until this thread.

In general it is rather meaningless, but it becomes meaningful when a deserving player is omitted from the meaninglessness :lol:

lessthanjake
02-14-2010, 08:26 PM
- 1999 Australian Open Champion
- 1996 French Open Champion
- 2000 Olympic Gold Medalist
- Former World #1
- 2000 Australian Open Runner Up
- 1997 Year End Championships Runner Up
- 26 ATP Titles
- 2002 Davis Cup Champion
- 4-time Slam Champion in Doubles

Clearly should be in the Hall of Fame.

But as others have said, the tennis hall of fame isnt really a big deal like it is in other sports, like baseball.

OnyxRose
02-14-2010, 08:45 PM
I didn't like him but I thought he was already in. That's strange.

SetSampras
02-14-2010, 09:18 PM
They got Chang in. Safin is gonna go in. Roddick will go in.. They all have 1 or 2 slams.. So yess.. Yevgeny should go in. He didnt win a masters events but he did win two slams on two separate surfaces and reached world #1. Good enough considering the qualifications these days u need to go in

LoveFifteen
02-15-2010, 02:27 PM
He has only been eligible for one or two years, right? Let's calm down, children. :o

Sophocles
02-15-2010, 02:57 PM
Westerners don't like Russians.

Not sure about that. Check out the sex trade in major Western cities.

Everko
02-15-2010, 03:52 PM
If Kafelnikov is good enough then nadal should be inducted 4 times.

Timariot
02-15-2010, 03:54 PM
Funny bit from old Yevgeny interview:

Q. Are you playing in Acapulco?

YEVGENY KAFELNIKOV: No.

Q. Why?

YEVGENY KAFELNIKOV: Acapulco is gone, three weeks ago. The tournament is over.

Persimmon
02-15-2010, 03:54 PM
If Chang was inducted so should Kafelnikov.

JackPumpkinHead
02-15-2010, 06:14 PM
I am an American and hell yeah i feel Yvgeny deserves to be in hall. I loved watching that guy.

NYMIKE
02-16-2010, 02:54 AM
Kafelnikov to this day is 6th on the all time money list, he played a very high number of tournaments, which probably contributed to him being done at the age 29. He also won 4 grand slams as a doubles player, as well as olympic gold. One of the few to beat Roger at Wimbledon and owns a winning record against him. Hall of Famer in my book.

fred perry
02-16-2010, 04:07 AM
his record, outside of casinos, is spotty.

Ibracadabra
02-16-2010, 03:43 PM
He is russian.

ad-out
02-16-2010, 09:20 PM
Westerners don't like Russians.

That's not true. :mad:

boughtmypoints
02-18-2010, 07:55 AM
One match result and plenty of rumours :

Lyon 2003 Vicente 6-2 6-3 over Kafelnikov

Vicente owner of quite possibly the worst backhand to have ever graced the ATP top 100
over arguably one of the best backhands ever.

I think Kafelnikov will get in the HOF once he comes clean about what really happened but for various reasons don't hold your breath.

Puschkin
02-18-2010, 08:17 AM
:topic: Happy birthday Evgenij!

Mimi
02-18-2010, 08:24 AM
he was not in? If Sabatini, Chang, Notvona were in, so should he, he achieved more than them :scratch::cuckoo:

drf716
02-18-2010, 11:50 AM
is he ever going to be inducted in the hall of fame? because that should be inevitable. yevgeny made me love tennis, as i always say.

Start da Game
02-18-2010, 04:05 PM
the tennis hall of flame is flawed beyond madness........it has no proper criterion for induction.......even if they have, no one knows what it is........besides, i don't get how mere mortals like chang can be classified amongst legends like laver, sampras.......

we just have to wait a little longer for everyone to realize that hall of fame is nothing but some fantasy list of a few mad westerners........when players like hewitt, roddick are inducted into the hall of fame, that is when HOF will become a complete joke and people will start realizing its value(the lack of it).......

SetSampras
02-18-2010, 05:02 PM
the tennis hall of flame is flawed beyond madness........it has no proper criterion for induction.......even if they have, no one knows what it is........besides, i don't get how mere mortals like chang can be classified amongst legends like laver, sampras.......

we just have to wait a little longer for everyone to realize that hall of fame is nothing but some fantasy list of a few mad westerners........when players like hewitt, roddick are inducted into the hall of fame, that is when HOF will become a complete joke and people will start realizing its value(the lack of it).......



I agree but if they are going to put one slam Roddick in, two slam Hewitt in, one slam Chang in... Kafelnikov should go in, not to mention he was a hell of a doubles player .. Personally I believe it should be reserved for the upper echelon. 5 slams or more IMO. You can just put one slam wonders in I dont care how popular they are. They are kind of scraping the bottom of the barrell with alot of these guys. Of course Chang being the youngest to ever win a slam is pretty impressive. But still... I guess I take the Hall a little more seriously instead of just throwing in a bunch of one or two slam wonders

Kolya
02-18-2010, 11:53 PM
Last man to win the singles and doubles of a grand slam in the same year :worship:

NYMIKE
02-19-2010, 12:13 AM
Chang gets bonus points for being first major singles Asian player, Kafelnikov was the first Russian champion, there were players before him I remember Chesnokov, but they weren't champions.

xargon
02-19-2010, 12:34 AM
You have to be from:
USA, Britain, Canada, Australia, then Western Europe. It's a club. Forget Russians. Kuz and Davy can't even get endorsements.

JackPumpkinHead
02-19-2010, 01:50 AM
I dont mind one slam wonders getting in. All hall of fame have there "best of the rest" inductees. I mean most people in the Hockey hall of fame arent in the discussion with Gretzky, or Lemeiux, or Orr but they are in there.

Start da Game
02-19-2010, 07:05 AM
I agree but if they are going to put one slam Roddick in, two slam Hewitt in, one slam Chang in... Kafelnikov should go in, not to mention he was a hell of a doubles player .. Personally I believe it should be reserved for the upper echelon. 5 slams or more IMO. You can just put one slam wonders in I dont care how popular they are. They are kind of scraping the bottom of the barrell with alot of these guys. Of course Chang being the youngest to ever win a slam is pretty impressive. But still... I guess I take the Hall a little more seriously instead of just throwing in a bunch of one or two slam wonders

yes, kafelnikov should definitely be in.......

Roddickominator
02-19-2010, 07:31 AM
Rich Man's Davydenko should be in the HOF.

LeChuck
02-19-2010, 08:29 AM
Unlike the baseball and basketball hall of fames in the US which are considerably bigger and wealthier organisations, the tennis hall of fame simply can't afford not to induct at least one player every year. These ceremonies are a major source of their income. If they only inducted the Becker's and Wilander's of the world, they would go many years without any ceremonies, and the organisation would most likely go out of business.
I don't see what the problem is with players like Kafelnikov, Roddick etc getting into the hall of fame anyway. These are elite players after all. Only a miniscule % of all players who turn pro achieve what they have done. Kafelnikov for instance is one of just 19 players to have won 2 grand slam titles and reached world no. 1 since the ATP rankings were introduced in 1973. How many pro tennis players have there been in that time? Tens of thousands. And of course on top of that Kafelnikov won the Davis Cup, had consistent results across the tour during his career winning titles on all surfaces, and had an excellent doubles career.

NYMIKE
02-19-2010, 06:06 PM
Do great doubles players or mixed doubles players get inducted, I'm looking at the list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Tennis_Hall_of_Fame dont recognize any doubles specialists, though Mcenroe, Wilander, Navratilova, etc were some of the greatest doubles players ever.

JackPumpkinHead
02-19-2010, 08:26 PM
Pam Shriver got inducted. She was pretty much all doubles

kittens25
06-30-2011, 06:30 AM
the tennis hall of flame is flawed beyond madness........it has no proper criterion for induction.......even if they have, no one knows what it is........besides, i don't get how mere mortals like chang can be classified amongst legends like laver, sampras.......

we just have to wait a little longer for everyone to realize that hall of fame is nothing but some fantasy list of a few mad westerners........when players like hewitt, roddick are inducted into the hall of fame, that is when HOF will become a complete joke and people will start realizing its value(the lack of it).......

yes, kafelnikov should definitely be in.......



Hewitt is by far a better player than Kafelnikov. He owned Kafelnikov when Kafelnikov was in his prime. And Hewitt's credentials, singles anyway, are well beyond Kafelnikov's. So if you say no way should Hewitt shouldnt be in then no way should Kafelnikov who is cleary inferior to Hewitt be.

kittens25
06-30-2011, 07:33 AM
He was much better player than Chang who is a hall of famer, also he was the first Russian champion, deserves induction in my book.

If nothing but # of slam titles matters then Kafelnikov would be better than Chang. Just as if nothing but slam titles mattered Johansson would be better than Murray.

Chang has 7 Masters titles to 0 for Kafelnikov. It is embarassing for a 2 slam winner to not have even won a Masters title. And I would say 7 Masters is worth more than 1 extra slam.

Chang has also been in more slam finals (4 to 3), won many more tournaments, and had more success vs other top players. Kafelnikov has never posted a huge individual win in a slam. Sampras, Stich, or Krajicek on clay are not really one. Neither is Martin or young Haas on hard courts. Chang has beaten Agassi in 2 hard court slam semis, and beaten Lendl and Bruguera at the French.

Also compare their opponents in slam finals. Chang faced Edberg, Muster on clay, Becker, and Sampras, 4 legends. Kafelnikov faced Agassi in his final loss, but Stich on clay and Enqvist in his 2 wins. If Chang had Kafelnikov's final opponents he wins atleast 2 slams as well. If Kafelnikov had Chang's he probably wins zero. Kafelnikov did well to peak at the perfect times when the draw opened up and he had a golden opportunity fall into his lap which to his credit he took.

Lastly Kafenlikov has many horrible head to headsl 0-9 vs Sampras on non clay surfaces. 1-7 vs Hewitt, mostly before Hewitt's prime. 5-9 vs Tomas Johansson who many consider the worst slam winner in history. He is 4-0 vs Chang but all but one of those matches was after Chang's permanent decline began.

I for one totally understand why people like Chang, Sabatini, and even Novotna get the nod into the Hall of Fame over Kafelnikov. The only one I dont understand is Noah.

MaxPower
06-30-2011, 07:52 AM
Very solid player with immense talent shown by the fact that he was also an amazing doubles players. He took so many titles and earned almost $24M during his career which is way more than Hewitt has currently for example. Would be a shame to not recognize his achievements because he was a real force on the tour for almost 10 years. To me he should definitely be in the HoF

Kafelnikov is also funny because he is one of those that totally let himself go for a while when he quit tennis. Think this is from 2005 when he was around 130kg or so
http://www.nycdiet.com/nycdiet/images/yevgeny1.jpg

Luckily he turned it around and I think he plays a little on the veteran tour now.

Chuck Palumbo
06-30-2011, 08:17 AM
Because he was a match fixer you utterly clueless cretins.

kittens25
06-30-2011, 08:43 AM
I am pretty sure the prize money figures include doubles. I am also pretty sure Hewitt earned more money in singles than Kafelnikov.

Doubles does not really factor into things unless one is a legend in doubles like Shriver and Zvereva were. I could see the argument of Kafelnikov vs someone like Novotna who isnt that much superior to Kafelnikov in doubles and only won 1 slam in singles. I guess Novotna was just seen as more memorable through some of her epic chokes, comebacks, emotions.

I could see arguments for Kafelnikov being in the Hall of Fame but it is no way clear cut. And players like Hewitt and even Chang ARE better than Kafelnikov. I laugh at anyone suggesting Kafelnikov is better than Hewitt imparticular, unless you place huge value on doubles play. Hewitt is a Wimbledon and U.S Champ, 2 time ATP World Championships winner, 2 time year end #1, has won Masters tournaments too unlike Kafelnikov, and owns Kafelnikov bigtime. Patrick McEnroe at the 2001 U.S Open called Kafelnikov a poor mans Hewitt in fact.

JolánGagó
06-30-2011, 09:25 AM
Who on Earth besides Americans cares about HoF? I honestly fail to grasp the relevancy of this shit.

AnnaK_4ever
06-30-2011, 09:37 AM
Russian media report Kafelnikov, Kuerten and Capriati are considered to be inducted into HOF in 2012.

Start da Game
06-30-2011, 09:44 AM
Hewitt is by far a better player than Kafelnikov. He owned Kafelnikov when Kafelnikov was in his prime. And Hewitt's credentials, singles anyway, are well beyond Kafelnikov's. So if you say no way should Hewitt shouldnt be in then no way should Kafelnikov who is cleary inferior to Hewitt be.

hewitt won slams in the only era he could win.......the same can't be said about kafelnikov who had better all round game compared to that weak retriever who relied heavily on running.......

it's true that kafelnikov was somewhat owned by hewitt but a lot of players found this pusher game different and it was only a matter of time before people figured out hewitt's game and started blasted him......

hewitt is just a vacuum era(2001-2006) star no matter how we cut it......kafelnikov has much superior doubles record and a better overall game.......

anyways i just don't think either hewitt or kafelnikov should be sitting alongside sampras and agassi in the hall of fame......hall of fame is basically a joke......

spencercarlos
06-30-2011, 11:35 AM
hewitt won slams in the only era he could win.......the same can't be said about kafelnikov who had better all round game compared to that weak retriever who relied heavily on running.......

it's true that kafelnikov was somewhat owned by hewitt but a lot of players found this pusher game different and it was only a matter of time before people figured out hewitt's game and started blasted him......

hewitt is just a vacuum era(2001-2006) star no matter how we cut it......kafelnikov has much superior doubles record and a better overall game.......

anyways i just don't think either hewitt or kafelnikov should be sitting alongside sampras and agassi in the hall of fame......hall of fame is basically a joke......
You don´t fool anybody.

kafelnikov was great player, very complete. But was a huge clown in the mental department.

Not everybody here saw Kafelnikov thank Pete Sampras at the Australian Open 1999 for no playing in the awards ceremony.

Neither a huge record for Kafelnikov is that he ONLY played in 6 grand slam semifinals :rolleyes: Leyton has played in 8.

Hewitt had a mental mindset than Kafelnikov and by miles, hence performed better than Kafelnikov against the likes of Sampras, Agassi. He beat Sampras on grass not once but twice. That speak volumes. Hewitt has also fared better in comparisson to his best contemporary players, vs Nadal and Federer unlike Kafelnikov who trails hugely against Sampras and some with Agassi.

careergrandslam
06-30-2011, 11:52 AM
maybe because yevgeny supported nadal.

all the elitist scum in the tennis world only wants pure classical tennis style to play and win.

since nadal has a different style and yevgeny supported nadal, thus all the elites hate yevgeny.

u have to speak good english to be in the HOF according to these elites.

Start da Game
06-30-2011, 12:28 PM
You don´t fool anybody.

kafelnikov was great player, very complete. But was a huge clown in the mental department.

Not everybody here saw Kafelnikov thank Pete Sampras at the Australian Open 1999 for no playing in the awards ceremony.

Neither a huge record for Kafelnikov is that he ONLY played in 6 grand slam semifinals :rolleyes: Leyton has played in 8.

Hewitt had a mental mindset than Kafelnikov and by miles, hence performed better than Kafelnikov against the likes of Sampras, Agassi. He beat Sampras on grass not once but twice. That speak volumes. Hewitt has also fared better in comparisson to his best contemporary players, vs Nadal and Federer unlike Kafelnikov who trails hugely against Sampras and some with Agassi.

hewitt's mental toughness is overrated as hell......the guy was tough sometimes that much is true but not much more than that......baby nadal who was still a joke on hardcourts stretched him and fed to 5 sets when they were playing at their peak.......now that's what i call mental toughness......

where was hewitt's toughness really in display and against who and in what slam? he just chipped in with a few good spells when stars of the 90s were fading away and the sport was begging for somebody to take over and run it at the top......

kafelnikov was in an entirely different era, an era that was well balanced and had so much depth and variety on all surfaces......that 2000 australian open was easily his slam, he had agassi on the ropes until the heat got to him and he let up.......

Riosreigned
06-30-2011, 02:08 PM
Surely, with the exception of Agassi, he is the most deserving former player who is elgible (since 2008) and has very nice achievements to back it up. Has he done something to piss off some power houses in the world of tennis? Any ideas?

You are right. He was #1, won OLY, Davis Cup, two slams, if he's not in the Hall, they ought to close it till they put him in. Knowing the kind of dude Kafel was, he probably doesn't care though, if there's no money to be made.

Riosreigned
06-30-2011, 02:09 PM
Rios should be in too.

MacTheKnife
06-30-2011, 02:33 PM
This hall of fame stuff is a bit of a joke. It's nothing more than a popularity contest. The same thing is true for football HOF, at least in this country.

Jagermeister
06-30-2011, 03:29 PM
You are right. He was #1, won OLY, Davis Cup, two slams, if he's not in the Hall, they ought to close it till they put him in. Knowing the kind of dude Kafel was, he probably doesn't care though, if there's no money to be made.

Exactly. I doubt he'd even show up unless they paid him

I always thought he was an underachiever and him playing every single tournament to make a buck hurt his results at the bigger events but his resume is pretty outstanding.

I'd put him and Hewitt on par as far as achievements. And Hewitt seemed to bedevil Kafelnikov. But I'd much rather watch the Russian play than watch Hewitt block balls back and act like a chimp on uppers.

kittens25
06-30-2011, 04:52 PM
hewitt won slams in the only era he could win.......the same can't be said about kafelnikov who had better all round game compared to that weak retriever who relied heavily on running.......

it's true that kafelnikov was somewhat owned by hewitt but a lot of players found this pusher game different and it was only a matter of time before people figured out hewitt's game and started blasted him......

hewitt is just a vacuum era(2001-2006) star no matter how we cut it......kafelnikov has much superior doubles record and a better overall game.......

anyways i just don't think either hewitt or kafelnikov should be sitting alongside sampras and agassi in the hall of fame......hall of fame is basically a joke......

Well you are entitled your opinion. All the stats point to Hewitt as the superior player though, as well as Kafelnikov being teenage Hewitt's lapdog. As for those saying they are on par in achievements unless you are heavily factoring doubles this is practically a blatant lie. Hewitt's singles achievements are by far superior, this isnt even debateable, every stat is equal or superior (mostly superior).

I dont agree Kafelnikov won slams in an era Hewitt could not have. Neither of Kafelnikov's slams were that impressive IMO. The 99 Australian had Sampras not playing, Agassi in a major slump still, Rafter not a top player on that surface, most of the Sampras era top players retired or washed up. He beat Todd Martin, Tommy Haas, and Tomas Enqvist in the last 3 rounds. If Hewitt were born a few years earlier he would have won the 99 Australian Open easily.

The 96 French saw Kafelnikov win after all the top clay courters lost early. He never would have won otherwise. Imagine Kafelnikov beating Muster in the semis or finals had they played, LOL! Kafelnikov was destroyed by Muster when they met on clay later that year, and at the previous years French. Kafelnikov was a hard court specialist, probably the worst clay courter to win the French in the last 25 years.

Anyway I agree on your last point. If HOF had real standards neither Hewitt or Kafelnikov would deserve to make it. For me I would either make Courier level player minimum, or perhaps up that to Becker level player.

philosophicalarf
06-30-2011, 05:43 PM
If Roddick and Chang get in, so should Kafelnikov.

I'd prefer only multi-slam winners get in. Single slam flukes happen, twin slam flukes don't.

ballbasher101
06-30-2011, 05:50 PM
The hall of fame is a bunch of boloney. Great players will always be respected and admired whether they are in the hall of fame or not.

spencercarlos
06-30-2011, 07:14 PM
hewitt's mental toughness is overrated as hell......the guy was tough sometimes that much is true but not much more than that......baby nadal who was still a joke on hardcourts stretched him and fed to 5 sets when they were playing at their peak.......now that's what i call mental toughness......

where was hewitt's toughness really in display and against who and in what slam? he just chipped in with a few good spells when stars of the 90s were fading away and the sport was begging for somebody to take over and run it at the top......

kafelnikov was in an entirely different era, an era that was well balanced and had so much depth and variety on all surfaces......that 2000 australian open was easily his slam, he had agassi on the ropes until the heat got to him and he let up.......
Jajajaj are you serious about the Australian Open 2000?

Agassi started down 4-0 that match, he got all the breaks back to *3-4 and lost the set, he then controlled the match away (did not get broken in the last 3 sets).

So pretty much since 0-4 down Agassi won 21 of 31 games played. How was he on the ropes? :lol: :facepalm:

Once again you believe people here were born yesterday... :rolleyes:

Start da Game
06-30-2011, 07:27 PM
Jajajaj are you serious about the Australian Open 2000?

Agassi started down 4-0 that match, he got all the breaks back to *3-4 and lost the set, he then controlled the match away (did not get broken in the last 3 sets).

So pretty much since 0-4 down Agassi won 21 of 31 games played. How was he on the ropes? :lol: :facepalm:

Once again you believe people here were born yesterday... :rolleyes:

maybe true but i remember kafelnikov outplayed agassi and had that first set and looked good to take the second, before the sun started beating the heck out of him......he threw away the match after that......probably he should have smelled some meth too before coming to the court......

KarlyM
06-30-2011, 09:39 PM
Kafelnikov should definitely be inducted at some point. It will just take awhile to get around to him since he did not win a large number of slams.

Russian media report Kafelnikov, Kuerten and Capriati are considered to be inducted into HOF in 2012. I don't believe Capriati has even officially retired yet? :shrug:

thrust
06-30-2011, 10:09 PM
I think it's a meaningless distinction. I didn't even know tennis had a Hall of Fame until this thread.

LOL!! The sad fact is though, the Tennis HOF is basically a joke. Too many in it do not belong there. In reality Yevgeny does not belong, but compared to others who are in, he is more than deserving.

spencercarlos
06-30-2011, 10:54 PM
maybe true but i remember kafelnikov outplayed agassi and had that first set and looked good to take the second, before the sun started beating the heck out of him......he threw away the match after that......probably he should have smelled some meth too before coming to the court......
You remmember sh.t. Period.

As i said Agassi won 21 of the last 31 games, he was leading all the way after losing the first set, never lost his serve in the last 3 sets. So whatever is in your imagination SUN, TIRING STUFF whatever, Agassi outplayed Kafelnikov. End of the story.

Topspindoctor
07-01-2011, 12:20 AM
HoF means nothing when mugs like Chang can get into it.

swebright
07-01-2011, 12:42 AM
Gambling problems. May be they didn't like he travelled with his private jet in those days. May be they don't like his attitute playing xxx = just to make $$$ (is it him or other players, I don't remember).

Plus, he may not have contributed that much to the welfare of tennis society/ how involve he is. Plus, he wasn't a darling.

stewietennis
07-01-2011, 03:14 AM
And I would say 7 Masters is worth more than 1 extra slam.

Not sure about this but Murray and Wozniacki would probably trade all their Masters titles for a Major.

tazban1
07-01-2011, 03:39 PM
I agree but if they are going to put one slam Roddick in, two slam Hewitt in, one slam Chang in... Kafelnikov should go in, not to mention he was a hell of a doubles player ..

:eek: :confused: Roddick's in the hall of fame? how can that be when he's still playing?

I'm pretty sure Kafelnikov is just not in the HOF because he was kind of an a#$shole. He was my favorite player of that era but he wasn't very popular and in the running for biggest head case in tennis history. Sampras was a better player but there's no way that Yevgeny's record should be that bad - he just walked onto the court defeated whenever Sampras was on the other side.

He likes to gamble but I don't think he actually fixed matches. He was accused of it because of that terrible result but 1. see above - head cases tend to have weird results and Yevgeny had them throughout his career and 2. he was injured in that match. I think the more likely scenario is that he was injured and shouldn't have played but didn't want to give up the appearance fee and didn't care enough to try that hard - 2 accusations throughout his career that didn't exactly endear him to fans.

But based on his accomplishments and the accomplishments of those who have entered the hall of fame before him, Yevgeny definitely deserves to be there. I'm not saying he's a better player than Hewitt or Chang (also not saying they are better), but I think HOF induction should be based on all around credentials and his doubles accomplishments do mean something. I believe Kafelnikov was also in the top 10 for 9 or 10 straight years which is an accomplishment that even some of the greats don't have on their resume. I would also say that he was one of the biggest natural talents of his era - he was just so mentally fragile that he let tenacious, hard working players like Hewitt beat him to a pulp.


I would also say that lesser accomplished players who changed the game in a meaningful way should also be in the HOF - though maybe there should be a separate category for that and greats who did both could be inducted twice or something.

Start da Game
07-01-2011, 04:24 PM
You remmember sh.t. Period.

As i said Agassi won 21 of the last 31 games, he was leading all the way after losing the first set, never lost his serve in the last 3 sets. So whatever is in your imagination SUN, TIRING STUFF whatever, Agassi outplayed Kafelnikov. End of the story.

wrong......it was an energy zapping day and kafelnikov did suffer from that......agassi took total advantage of that and raced away from the second set.......kafelnikov literally threw that third set away and din't even attempt chasing anything that was out of his reach......

AnnaK_4ever
07-01-2011, 04:53 PM
Kafelnikov should definitely be inducted at some point. It will just take awhile to get around to him since he did not win a large number of slams.

I don't believe Capriati has even officially retired yet? :shrug:

Does she have to retire? I thought it's just 5 years of inactivity and you can get a nomination.

spencercarlos
07-01-2011, 06:28 PM
wrong......it was an energy zapping day and kafelnikov did suffer from that......agassi took total advantage of that and raced away from the second set.......kafelnikov literally threw that third set away and din't even attempt chasing anything that was out of his reach......
Why you keep the lies?

Here the match and the first games of the third set. Yeah Kafelnikov pretty much gave away that set :facepalm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6_5eB_YZgo



That being said and back to this thread, Kafelnikov will eventually get into the HOF.

Ilovetheblues_86
07-01-2011, 06:47 PM
Santoro should get TO hof.

Mateya
07-01-2011, 06:49 PM
Hall of fixing? :confused:

gaitare
07-01-2011, 06:49 PM
Who on Earth besides Americans cares about HoF? I honestly fail to grasp the relevancy of this shit.

OMG I agree with GagOn on something.

ys
07-01-2011, 06:49 PM
My understanding is that by the rules some organization outside of HOF has to nominate him. And that requires also his consent. Maybe, Russian TF is too lazy to do the paperwork or maybe he does not want it..

ys
07-24-2011, 11:35 AM
Yevgeny will be inducted in 2012.

tennisfan856
07-24-2011, 02:22 PM
gambler, poker player, accused of fixing, being hard-core russian where most of the world frowns upon it. Also didn't contribute much outside the game.

Pea
07-24-2011, 05:01 PM
Um why is evryone ragging on Chang? There's least deserving players like Yannick Noah that made it in the HOF.

xdrewitdajx
07-24-2011, 05:25 PM
Virtua Tennis would have been nothing without Kafelnikov

zeleni
07-24-2011, 08:23 PM
Every former number 1 player should be in HoF.

ys
07-24-2011, 09:48 PM
Every former number 1 player should be in HoF.

Except for Jankovic.. ;)

HoorayBeer
09-07-2011, 07:00 PM
According to the news he is getting elected in 2012 along with Guga,Capriati and Nick Bollitiari

Paylu2007
09-07-2011, 07:51 PM
Yevgeny :hearts:

This 1000 times!!! I was sooo in loved with him and his game.

gaitare
09-07-2011, 07:57 PM
RMD and his biatches approve.

http://tennisinfoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/kuznetsova-serena-kafelnikov.jpg

SetSampras
09-07-2011, 08:01 PM
Former world #1, 2 time slam winner, successful doubles player.. His resume speaks for itself. If you put some 1 slam wonder clown like Chang or Roddick in, Kafel goes in.

Acer
09-07-2011, 08:45 PM
RMD and his biatches approve.

http://tennisinfoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/kuznetsova-serena-kafelnikov.jpg

Who's the man in the middle?

alfonsojose
09-08-2011, 03:49 AM
Who's the man in the middle?

Sarin W. A rapper.

name_change
09-08-2011, 08:26 AM
Who's the man in the middle?

:rolleyes:

atennisfan
09-08-2011, 01:08 PM
Capriati, Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Bollettieri Among 2012 Tennis Hall of Fame Nominees
September 7, 2011 By Tennis Panorama News Leave a Comment


Jennifer Capriati, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, and Gustavo “Guga” Kuerten have been nominated for induction into the International Tennis Hall of Fame. All three are nominated for the induction Class of 2012 in the Recent Player Category. Also in the Recent Player Category, Wheelchair Tennis superstar and three-time Paralympic medalist Randy Snow has been nominated posthumously for induction. In the Master Player Category, Thelma Coyne Long of Australia, who captured 19 Grand Slam titles between the 1930s and 1950s, and 1975 US Open champion Manuel Orantes, a Spanish star of the 1970s-1980s have been nominated. Three individuals have been nominated for their immense contributions to the sport. Legendary tennis coach Nick Bollettieri, who has guided 10 ATP and WTA stars to world No. 1 status; influential tennis promoter and administrator Mike Davies; and Eiichi Kawatei, who has played a vital role in the growth of tennis in Asia have all been nominated in the Contributor Category.



“Only a small, elite group of athletes ever achieve the status of being world No. 1 in their sport. Jennifer Capriati, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Guga Kuerten and Randy Snow are among this elite group. For their impressive rankings, along with Grand Slam titles, Olympic medals and other great contributions to the sport of tennis, I’m very pleased to announce that they have been nominated to receive our sport’s highest honor, induction to the International Tennis Hall of Fame,” said Tony Trabert, International Tennis Hall of Fame President and 1970 Hall of Fame Inductee.



Trabert added, “We are also pleased to honor both Thelma Coyne Long and Manuel Orantes, who achieved remarkable success on the court. Nick Bollettieri’s dedication to tennis has given us many of the game’s greatest champions, and Mike Davies and Eiichi Kawatei, are true trailblazers of the sport, and it is thanks to their efforts that we are able to enjoy tennis on such a grand, global scale today. On behalf of the Board of Directors and the Enshrinee Nominating Committee of the International Tennis Hall of Fame, I extend congratulations to the nominees and our gratitude for their many contributions to the sport of tennis.”



Voting for the 2012 ballot will take place over the next several months, culminating with an announcement in early 2012 to reveal the Class of 2012 Inductees. The Class of 2012 Induction Ceremony will be held on Saturday, July 14, 2012 at the International Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, Rhode Island. The Ceremony will be held in conjunction with the Campbell’s Hall of Fame Tennis Championships, an ATP World Tour event.



Recent Player: Jennifer Capriati, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Gustavo Kuerten

Recent Player, Wheelchair Tennis: Randy Snow

Eligibility criteria for the Recent Player Category is as follows: active as competitors in the sport within the last 20 years prior to consideration; not a significant factor on the ATP or WTA Tour within five years prior to induction; a distinguished record of competitive achievement at the highest international level, with consideration given to integrity, sportsmanship and character.

Rosa Luxembourg
04-13-2012, 10:56 PM
Well, Yevgeny was not voted in as he got <75% of votes.

HOF=idiotism

Pirata.
04-14-2012, 12:14 AM
Who's the man in the middle?

:rolleyes:

Sarin W. A rapper.

Queen Sarin :worship: