Rotterdam SF: Youzhny def. Djokovic 7-6, 7-6

Congratulations to the Russian for beating the second best player in the world.

Too strong, Youzhny. Should have closed it out sooner, though.

Congrats to Misha and his fans. :bigclap:

Novak :hug:

anyone remember the time when Nole was actually winning tiebreaks :confused:

Laughable start to the year for Djokovic :spit:

Special thanks to Zeleni for his kind rep, see there was no need to wait for the final :hug:

Misha :hatoff: :banana:
really should have won it a bit earlier
some great pts in that TB

I watched the end of the second set, the game where Youzhny served for it. He made a very lousy error and a DF to hand the break back to Djokovic. Nole did well from there on in to weather the storm but in the TB Misha wasn't willing to fade. Epic, epic 28 shot rally made the difference. Loved that point.

Congrats to Colonel! :rocker2: I'm hoping for a cracker tomorrow.

Djokovic will drop out of top 4 this year. Delpotro and Murray are much better than him at the moment.

Very nice match :)
Youzhny when he is on is a superb shotmaker and his game is beautiful to watch. Now go for the title Misha!!! :worship:

Far from 2nd best player in the world, really. Murray should pass him soon.

Nice win for the colonel, I hope he won't be tired for tomorrow.

headcase Youzhny trying to hand it to Nole and still he couldnt take it :lol:

TB king Novak :yeah:

Nole is so depressed, only wakes up at the end and then doesn't bother . He should definitely change his coach or something because he is depressed and these results are pathetic

Bit of a choke from Misha while serving at 5-3 but still managed to close it out. :yeah:

Nicely played Colonel. :yeah:


anyone remember the time when Nole was actually winning tiebreaks :confused:
Not the 2007 USO...

Youzhny played great! Got a little tight at *5-3 in the second but came back really nicely. It's good to see him doing so well again.

On the other hand, Novak was definitely subpar and certainly should've won the second at 5-2 in the breaker.

Djokovic will drop out of top 4 this year. Delpotro and Murray are much better than him at the moment.

Djokovic with experimenting with new shots and tactics. If he had taken this match seriously he could have won it, but spent to much time with approach shots and going to the net where he looked uncomfortable.

I watched the end of the third set..:eek: How can you watch a set which was not even played? :p

Far from 2nd best player in the world, really. Murray should pass him soon.

Nice win for the colonel, I hope he won't be tired for tomorrow.

Nole is depressed but even depressed he is better than crying shame Murray

What happened to Faker? :lol:

Well done Colonel

You were crap Nole

what a fighter Misha. feel jelaous of his fans by now, great week for him.It's a pity that Misha retired at AO..could be probably a nice match against Novak, like that one)

That's what I call giving away a match, Nole. :o

:eek: How can you watch a set which was not even played? :p

:lol: I meant the second set. Obviously, I have not had enough sleep. :o Thanks, I'll correct it.

Novak was pretty pathetic in 2nd tie-break since 5-2.. gave Youzhny a win in his hands

Nole in muddy mode...

That's what I call giving away a match, Nole. :o

what? youzhny was giving it to nole and not nole to youzhny :lol:

Nole is depressed but even depressed he is better than crying shame Murray
Murray would have ***** him today.

Nole is depressed but even depressed he is better than crying shame Murrayhttp://www.smilys.net/lachende_smilies/smiley1084.gif

Djokovic was very poor.

Congrats Misha, take the title ;) :D

Djokovic with experimenting with new shots and tactics.
I also had that feeling as if he tried out things and only played points with determination when he was under pressure. However, I can' see much sense in it. Why doing that in a SF against a respectable opponent? :cuckoo:

Murray would have ***** him today.

when murray starts winning and not crying , then you can talk

i'm afraid we've seen the best of Novak, don't think it is going to get any better. well done Youzhny.

Congratulations Misha! :yeah:

Thanks for playing in Rotterdam Nole, it was great to met you and see you play :worship:

Djokovic's fourth defeat 6-7 6-7 in ATP (Mathieu, Murray, Karlovic, Youzhny).

when murray starts winning and not crying , then you can talk

what thhhee hell? :lol:

Colonel :woohoo:

He choked a bit in the second but wasn't going to be denied in the TB :D

Jeez....Novak is really giving meaning to the phrase that a number is just a number (in his case, his ranking).

I also had that feeling as if he tried out things and only played points with determination when he was under pressure. However, I can' see much sense in it. Why doing that in a SF against a respectable opponent? :cuckoo:

Personally i think that the main reason for such performance was a walkover in the previous round . Novak just got out of rthytm and could't find it till the end of the match.

As for those approaches to the net... It seems that Novak just hadn't got any clue what to do. Focus of his game was lost

Youzhny up to 15th now! If he can win tomorrow he'll be on 2180 points, and then he can seriously begin to look at top10 (9th to 14th is very congested, only 750ish points in it). With very few masters points on the board it's looking quite a realistic prospect.

Djoko looked as if he had nothing much to play for - which he didn't, winning the tournament adds 0 to his rankings cos he's maxxed out on 500s already.

there is no doubt that Andrew 'mcflurryHaggis' Murray is the real #2

Nice one Novak:yeah:

Congrats Misha.

Great job, Youzhny-not really expecting that result. I am not a big fan of Novak, but I hope he manages to get it together.

there is no doubt that Andrew 'mcflurryHaggis' Murray is the real #2

ok,Corey Haim

I doubt Djokovic was deliberately experimenting with shots and approaches. I think not being tested enough this week + the walkover against Mayer cost him match fitness and rhythm. He looked a bit clueless in some points, trying to get it done but Youznhy didn't fade. A bit of an indication that Djokovic was taking this seriously was the frustration he showed after every miss/UE. :shrug: It's not like he lost to some journeyman anyway; Youzhny has beaten top class opponents (including Novak) before and in a more impressive fashion as well.

what thhhee hell? :lol:
please, Murray is not worth polluting this thread
http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/1/7/17b69754a246aca7886e3249932f7770_andymurraycriesaf terlosing.jpg
“I can cry like Roger. It’s just a shame I can’t play like him.“

Great to see djokovic loosing

Youzhny playing one of the best tournaments in career

Incredibly weak approach shots from Nole in addition to some of the worst droppers you'll see all year. It did get entertaining at 5-3, 2nd set and the 28 stroke rally in the TB was the highlight of the match.

Soderass should take the title in straights tomorrow.

Djokovic with experimenting with new shots and tactics. If he had taken this match seriously he could have won it, but spent to much time with approach shots and going to the net where he looked uncomfortable.

this. he lost like 15 points on bad tactics.

please, Murray is not worth polluting this thread
http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/1/7/17b69754a246aca7886e3249932f7770_andymurraycriesaf terlosing.jpg
“I can cry like Roger. It’s just a shame I can’t play like him.“
do you want me to post the pics of Nole walking off the court after Olympic semi final choke v Nadal ?

That slice isn't new though, he's been experimenting with it for a while now and it's still ****. Might as well push it flat onto the baseline with no pace instead, cos most of his slices just doesn't do anything on Deco (barring the few occasions he approaches with it into the deuce court corner, that's a nice shot).

Djokovic with experimenting with new shots and tactics. If he had taken this match seriously he could have won it, but spent to much time with approach shots and going to the net where he looked uncomfortable.

If that was the case Novak is really a moron. SF against such a good player like Youzhney is not the time for such experiments. He could do rnd1 and 2 against Chiudinely, Stakhovsky and the likes but not against Youzhney and so deep into a tourney.
I'm very happy for Misha. Sometimes ago I was shocked to see him play Q for some tournaments because I always thought him to be a very good player.

Good luck tomorrow, Misha, you'll need it.

Personally i think that the main reason for such performance was a walkover in the previous round . Novak just got out of rthytm and could't find it till the end of the match.

As for those approaches to the net... It seems that Novak just hadn't got any clue what to do. Focus of his game was lost

Novak just has problems pacing himself but he loses tight matches like this because he gives to many cheap points. This trying period may be good for him later in his career if he learns to pace himself and be more efficient and not take it too personally , that's why he looks not serious today. By pacing I mean he should just return more neutral balls so that the opponent puts pressure on himself

I doubt Djokovic was deliberately experimenting with shots and approaches. I think not being tested enough this week + the walkover against Mayer cost him match fitness and rhythm. He looked a bit clueless in some points, trying to get it done but Youznhy didn't fade. A bit of an indication that Djokovic was taking this seriously was the frustration he showed after every miss/UE. :shrug: It's not like he lost to some journeyman anyway; Youzhny has beaten top class opponents (including Novak) before and in a more impressive fashion as well.

Playing Youzhny at his own game was not going to work. These variations of pace, approaches to the net and diet of variety are not the strengths of Novak Djokovic. His strength is controlled baseline power hitting. That was what worked at the end of 2007 and early 2008.

do you want me to post the pics of Nole walking off the court after Olympic semi final choke v Nadal ?

please do so but even if it happened there is a gigantic difference between misplaced nationalism at the olympics which happen 2-3 times during career and crying in any grand slam match trying to make the winner feel better

please do so but even if it happened there is a gigantic difference between misplaced nationalism at the olympics which happen 2-3 times during career and crying in any grand slam match trying to make the winner feel better
Grand slam final = Any grand slam match :spit:

I kept thinking that this munZe konZa was not for real, but he posted on Novak forum too :sobbing:

Playing Youzhny at his own game was not going to work. These variations of pace, approaches to the net and diet of variety are not the strengths of Novak Djokovic. His strength is controlled baseline power hitting. That was what worked at the end of 2007 and early 2008.

So true.

What's Murray got to do with this match today?

Grand slam final = Any grand slam match :spit:

4 grand slams a year, it's stupid to feel bad about a match he had no chance of winning

So true.

What's Murray got to do with this match today?

:lol::lol::lol:

There certainly were a lot of rally's where the intention was to keep the ball in play and wait for an error.

Playing Youzhny at his own game was not going to work. These variations of pace, approaches to the net and diet of variety are not the strengths of Novak Djokovic. His strength is controlled baseline power hitting. That was what worked at the end of 2007 and early 2008.

To me he looks lost most of the times and results prove it and he only wakes up when he is on the brink of defeat :confused: Something is holding him back or he needs someone to lit fire under him.

What's Murray got to do with this match today?

Good question. I wonder how long it will take until the usual Federer/Nadal/GOAT/decline discussion takes over. :rolleyes:

:lol::lol::lol:

There certainly were a lot of rally's where the intention was to keep the ball in play and wait for an error.

He never used to be like that,this pusher style ain't doing him any good.

To me he looks lost most of the times and results prove it and he only wakes up when he is on the brink of defeat :confused: Something is holding him back or he needs someone to lit fire under him.

At that point Novak played his normal and more instinctive game.

please, Murray is not worth polluting this thread
http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/1/7/17b69754a246aca7886e3249932f7770_andymurraycriesaf terlosing.jpg
“I can cry like Roger. It’s just a shame I can’t play like him.“

He still plays better than Novak.

At that point Novak played his normal and more instinctive game.

He plays more slice than before and I think it saves him energy which I think is good for his game. However I am not sure if slice is the reason for his passivity ?

Far from 2nd best player in the world, really. Murray should pass him soon.

Nice win for the colonel, I hope he won't be tired for tomorrow.

I was being facetious.

He still plays better than Novak.

so does Youzhny today or Tsonga before ,that doesn't make Murray any better or competent. In fact maybe he knew why he was crying in Australia because it may be his last grand slam final match ever, his first 2 were embarassing and junior league :o

Wow :woohoo:

GL in the final, Misha!

so does Youzhny today or Tsonga before ,that doesn't make Murray any better or competent. In fact maybe he knew why he was crying in Australia because it may be his last grand slam final match ever, his first 2 were embarassing and junior league :o

We'll see about that. :p

Sorry, but I think Novak is a pretty average player at this point in time.

Murray has made a better start to 2010 than Nole thats all. But even he cant be called real no 2 on hardcourts cos Del Po won US Open and Davy won TMC, lets just say Fed is the clear no1, but noone has separated themsleves as the clear no 2 on this surface as yet.

Good job Misha btw :yeah:

The rankings don't lie. Nole might not be playing like the world number 2 right now, but he's there on merit. He has been consistently going deep into tournaments without winning them, so it's hard to say that he hasn't earned his points.

We'll see about that. :p

Sorry, but I think Novak is a pretty average player at this point in time.

He certainly looked like one today.

Murray has made a better start to 2010 than Nole thats all. But even he cant be called real no 2 on hardcourts cos Del Po won US Open and Davy won TMC, lets just say Fed is the clear no1, but noone has separated themsleves as the clear no 2 on this surface as yet.

Good job Misha btw :yeah:

Exactly.

Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, Niko Davydenko and Juan M Del Potro could easily at some time this year hold the number 2 spot.

Exactly.

Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, Niko Davydenko and Juan M Del Potro could easily at some time this year hold the number 2 spot.

I'm o.k with that.. as long as they have 2 Grand Slams in total

do you want me to post the pics of Nole walking off the court after Olympic semi final choke v Nadal ?
Yes please :drool:
He never used to be like that,this pusher style ain't doing him any good.
Never? Quite often when Nole isn't playing well he "pushes". And not just this year. No player can play well all the time.
The rankings don't lie. Nole might not be playing like the world number 2 right now, but he's there on merit. He has been consistently going deep into tournaments without winning them, so it's hard to say that he hasn't earned his points.
It's impossible to say he hasn't earned his points. :shrug:

On the other hand, he's certainly had more points (taking into account the new system) and better results than he has currently, and stalled at #3. Because the rankings take into account the past 52 weeks they aren't always reflective of current form.

Pretty poor from Nole tonight, and Youzhny still looked like he might find a way to lose :cuckoo:

Yes please :drool:

Never? Quite often when Nole isn't playing well he "pushes". And not just this year. No player can play well all the time.

It's impossible to say he hasn't earned his points. :shrug:

On the other hand, he's certainly had more points (taking into account the new system) and better results than he has currently, and stalled at #3. Because the rankings take into account the past 52 weeks they aren't always reflective of current form.

Pretty poor from Nole tonight, and Youzhny still looked like he might find a way to lose :cuckoo:

I know that. That's sort of the point I'm making. He might be the world number 2, but he's not the second best player in the world right now. In fact, I think his ranking will drop rapidly in the next few months.

Never? Quite often when Nole isn't playing well he "pushes". And not just this year. No player can play well all the time

It's when he pushes,he end up losing points,he used to play aggressive tennis 3 yrs ago.

I know that. That's sort of the point I'm making. He might be the world number 2, but he's not the second best player in the world right now. In fact, I think his ranking will drop rapidly in the next few months.

Probabaly,he's got lots of points to defend apart from RG.

Of course Murray is the 2nd best player on hard courts. If you add up all points from hc events in the last year murray is a clear 2nd and his form further justifies this statement.

I'm o.k with that.. as long as they have 2 Grand Slams in total

Me 2 if both those grand slams both go to Murray :p

Choopinou, is it my imagination or am I sensing some repressed anger on your part towards me?

Youzhny was quite solid though unspectacular. Djokovic just played into his game and deservedly lost.

Great job youzhny!

It's when he pushes,he end up losing points,he used to play aggressive tennis 3 yrs ago.


He plays aggressive tennis from time to time now. He didn't play "aggressive tennis" every match he played 3 years ago. He's not playing well at the moment. :shrug:

He plays aggressive tennis from time to time now. He didn't play "aggressive tennis" every match he played 3 years ago. He's not playing well at the moment. :shrug:

3 yrs ago he was very consistent,now he plays great,then start pushing all of a sudden?

In fact, I think his ranking will drop rapidly in the next few months.doubt that

he still seems to be in finals and semis every tournament he plays (QF usually in GS's) he'll still be comfortable top3

Youzhny was quite solid though unspectacular. Djokovic just played into his game and deservedly lost.

He played the correct tactics if he was playing Soderling.

He played the correct tactics if he was playing Soderling.

You nailed it,he thought he was playing Soda:eek:

doubt that

he still seems to be in finals and semis every tournament he plays (QF usually in GS's) he'll still be comfortable top3

Lot of points to defend. Think his ranking will pick up again at RG, though.

I was being facetious.
I know, I was agreeing :D

Nole :sad:

Murray has made a better start to 2010 than Nole thats all. But even he cant be called real no 2 on hardcourts cos Del Po won US Open and Davy won TMC, lets just say Fed is the clear no1, but noone has separated themsleves as the clear no 2 on this surface as yet.

Good job Misha btw :yeah:

Nole doesn't deserve to be #2 and that much is clear and neither does Federerer deserve to be #1 , they are there solely because Nadal and Del Potro are injured . Just because Federerer exposed Murray as a weak link doesn't mean anything more than that.

time to fire todd martin.

Djokovic will drop out of top 4 this year. Delpotro and Murray are much better than him at the moment.

delpotro will be lucky to play 1/2 the season. he is injury prone.

Good news for Federer.

Good stuff Misha

WOW Colonel! :yeah: :hatoff:

Djoko :hug: - great run here, never mind, enough chances to pick up the points elsewhere.

lol Djokovic's game has already peaked. There's no more room for improvement. He's nowhere as gifted or talented as Federer, Nadal or Murray.

I don't think Nole will win a slam in 2010. Nope. Even winning a M1000 will be tough.:scared:

I don't think Nole will win a slam in 2010. Nope. Even winning a M1000 will be tough.:scared:

Because he lost a SF? No worries everything will be all right with Nole.

Nole doesn't deserve to be #2 and that much is clear and neither does Federerer deserve to be #1 , they are there solely because Nadal and Del Potro are injured . Just because Federerer exposed Murray as a weak link doesn't mean anything more than that.

:cuckoo: :rolls:

Hey mate, the ATP ranking points count doesn't lie. ;)

I don't think Nole will win a slam in 2010. Nope. Even winning a M1000 will be tough.:scared:

LOL, because he lost the SFs of Rotterdam? Okay.

Djokovic's is trying to change his game and it's taking time, and at the moment having a bit of a negative effect on his once awesome natural baseline game. We'll see how the changes go ... they could make him a better player, they might not. Who knows.

One loss cannot tell you how a season will progress.

thank goodness the joko prick is gone...what a douche bag

LOL, because he lost the SFs of Rotterdam? Okay.

Djokovic's is trying to change his game and it's taking time, and at the moment having a bit of a negative effect on his once awesome natural baseline game. We'll see how the changes go ... they could make him a better player, they might not. Who knows.

One loss cannot tell you how a season will progress.

Djokovic? Awesome natural baseline game? :confused:

I shut down my livestream when Mikail was 2-5 down in TB :sobbing:
I missed the 28-stroke rally :eek:

Well done Colonel :hatoff: Take that title again :rocker:

time to fire todd martin.
Exactly what could todd martin teach fakervic,todd martin was one off Samprass loyal servants & I'am afraid he is passing on that same tendency to fakervic. He wants fakervic to worship federer & nadull like he worshipped samprass.:o

Oh Nole. :o

GL in Dubai, where he is defending champion. :p

well done Colonel, take this title again man :yeah:

Djokovic with experimenting with new shots and tactics. If he had taken this match seriously he could have won it, but spent to much time with approach shots and going to the net where he looked uncomfortable.

Spot on. What's the deal with it, i wonder why Nole is doing this during the matches and not in the practice sessions. :shrug:

ROFL

WTF Nole...

Oh Nole. :o

GL in Dubai, where he is defending champion. :p

if he tries to pull something like this against Roger or Kolya... :help:

Djokovic is the most talented player inside the top 10 bar del potro and roger. People saying murray is more talented needs to wake up, as illustrated by novaks grand slam.

Yay for Mikhail. He was starting to play very solid at the end of last year. Very nice that he is able to continue his regained form this season so far. Can't choose Soderling or Youzhny to win the title though, I love both of their games.

Djokovic is the most talented player inside the top 10 bar del potro and roger. People saying murray is more talented needs to wake up, as illustrated by novaks grand slam.

According to Fed, Murray is more talented than Djokovic.

Roger likes to troll to be honest, when murray has won matches and tournaments as big as what novak has come back.

Roger likes to troll to be honest, when murray has won matches and tournaments as big as what novak has come back.

Since Roland Garros in 2008, Murray has been a much better player than Novak.. Hence why Murray did take the number 2 spot for that week or two during the US Open series. A spot Novak never achieved until obviously now.

During the period you mentioned from RG 08 who has been the higher ranked player for the vast majority of that period?

I think Djokovic just look unmotivated on court. He should take a break from tennis. cause it seems like he's fed up with it.

I think Djokovic just look unmotivated on court. He should take a break from tennis. cause it seems like he's fed up with it.


Looks like it.

Djokovic is the most talented player inside the top 10 bar del potro and roger. People saying murray is more talented needs to wake up, as illustrated by novaks grand slam.

A most odd time to be bringing this up... almost mistook it for sarcasm.

Bravo nikolay!

Bravo nikolay!

Yes. Davai, Marat!

love it

Mikki http://dvcreators.net/discuss/images/smilies/banana.gif

Novak http://dvcreators.net/discuss/images/smilies/confused.gif

wow! every now and then, youzhny shows what he's capable of.

anyone remember the time when Nole was actually winning tiebreaks :confused:

yes! he was winning practically every tiebreak. :shrug:

youzhny is wta server flavio cipolla like, bad loss

Well done Youzhny!

I know that. That's sort of the point I'm making. He might be the world number 2, but he's not the second best player in the world right now. In fact, I think his ranking will drop rapidly in the next few months.

You're hallucinating! Stop with the doom and gloom, my god this forum is infectious... people lose so much the perspective here that is almost ridiculous. Time will tell, haters.

noone has separated themsleves as the clear no 2 on this surface as yet.

its very clear at this time and he has been for a long time. could also be argued that he was the best at some spots in time.
it has been close between murray and nadal at some points as well

Nole is depressed but even depressed he is better than crying shame Murray
check the odds

when murray starts winning and not crying , then you can talk
what?

4 grand slams a year, it's stupid to feel bad about a match he had no chance of winning
WHAT

People saying murray is more talented needs to wake up, as illustrated by novaks grand slam.
amazing analysing

Bravo nikolay!
:yeah:

Congrats Misha!
MidgetNovak should take a rest, it looks like he isn't bothered to compete...
Murray fans seem to be here always when Novak loses. Nice :)

Nole is so depressed, only wakes up at the end and then doesn't bother . He should definitely change his coach or something because he is depressed and these results are pathetic

Agreed.

Djokovic is the most talented player inside the top 10 ... People saying murray is more talented needs to wake up, as illustrated by novaks grand slam.

This.

This.

What about Nadal?

What about Nadal?

Second to Novak.

you supported this.
Djokovic is the most talented player inside the top 10 bar del potro and roger. People saying murray is more talented needs to wake up, as illustrated by novaks grand slam.

but, you're saying this about Nadal.
Second to Novak.

When in fact Nadal has 6 GS.

you supported this.


but, you're saying this about Nadal.


When in fact Nadal has 6 GS.

She/he is referring to current form. That makes sense. Novak has wiped Rafa out on their last meetings. Let's see what happens this season on clay...

Nole is not the same player he was 2/3 yrs ago. He was much more aggressive in the past. Now he has become a bit of pusher I would say.

Shame Novak was hurting for this match. He could have made wool mittens out of Youzhny

:lol: How was he hurting?

It's strange, Novak is at a career high #2 ranking but it seems he's regressed from the level of play he won Australia with. Just a credit to the King I guess, his domination has never been more complete.

It's strange, Novak is at a career high #2 ranking but it seems he's regressed from the level of play he won Australia with. Just a credit to the King I guess, his domination has never been more complete.

Exactly.

Has Nole defeated anyone in the top 50 this year? :unsure:

Chiudinelli is his best win this year :sport:

you supported this.


but, you're saying this about Nadal.


When in fact Nadal has 6 GS.

I didn't really think that through. They're both great!

Novak is winning no slam this year fortunately..

Novak is winning no slam this year fortunately..

why? give me a b c...

why? give me a b c...I am very intuitive just like Rodger will not win Roland GARROS this year,there is going to be a surprise winner at Wimbledon this year sweetie....revisit this thread after Wimbledon:rolleyes:

Nole :sad: What's happened to you?

I am very intuitive just like Rodger will not win Roland GARROS this year,there is going to be a surprise winner at Wimbledon this year sweetie....revisit this thread after Wimbledon:rolleyes:

those are not a,b,c's! ;) intuition does not count!

Nole :sad: What's happened to you?

nothing special imo. one of the shrimps he ate in australia was crooked and he got sick. than against youzhny he completely abandoned his baseline (power) game and played various stiles which didnt pay off but it was still very close.