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Are Spaniards white?

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 04:14 PM
First of all, for the love of all that's worthy please keep racism out of here.

I've had the chance to travel a lot and talk to many people from many places, and I've had many puzzling experiences regarding my nationality and race. Although in Europe I've never found anyone who didn't regard me as member of the white race (granted I don't go around asking), when I was in the US I was approached three times by three different people who after I told them I was Spanish went "oh really? but... but you look white." Rather puzzling that was... maybe our American friends can comment on this.

Anyway seeing as this is a very international place, I'd like to know what the perception is regarding the racial classification of Spaniards in your country.

Again, please keep this civil...

miura
02-01-2010, 04:38 PM
Yes you are white. And you talk to much.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 04:40 PM
Yes you are white. And you talk to much.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6yTsJ-1_cYA/SG05rQW7YII/AAAAAAAAAKM/6V6l3TwVlLU/s400/GrammarNazi.jpg

Andresito
02-01-2010, 05:50 PM
Spain and Argentina are very similar in ethnic composition.

We not enter on "black" or "asian" gender, but we're not 100% "white" either.

I think "latin" is the name closest to reality.

Anyway, please try to not use the word race. Millions of years have passed, so today is nearly impossible to encounter someone "100% pure".

jonathancrane
02-01-2010, 05:55 PM
First of all, for the love of all that's worthy please keep racism out of here.

I've had the chance to travel a lot and talk to many people from many places, and I've had many puzzling experiences regarding my nationality and race. Although in Europe I've never found anyone who didn't regard me as member of the white race (granted I don't go around asking), when I was in the US I was approached three times by three different people who after I told them I was Spanish went "oh really? but... but you look white." Rather puzzling that was... maybe our American friends can comment on this.

Anyway seeing as this is a very international place, I'd like to know what the perception is regarding the racial classification of Spaniards in your country.

Again, please keep this civil...

:lol:
3 rednecks :shrug:

And yes, we're white (mainly)

clandis
02-01-2010, 06:06 PM
I think you ran into three ignorant people. I never thought of Spaniards as black, and I don't really know why it would matter. What part of the US were you traveling?

superslam77
02-01-2010, 06:11 PM
White is an American social construct. Yes spaniards are caucasian, caucasoid or something in between.

tedlesurfeur
02-01-2010, 06:15 PM
The very thread title is misleading :

You're trying to match a Nationality to an Ethnicity, which is quite dumb in my opinion.
It's as if you were saying "are Americans white?" or "Are South Africans black?"

So, the answer, which you could have found by yourself, is very simple:
Yes there are white spaniards.
Some of them aren't, because they're black, or arab.
I'd say a consequent amount of the spanish population stems from interbreeding.

tedlesurfeur
02-01-2010, 06:17 PM
Yes spaniards are caucasian, caucasoid or something in between.

Wrong. Just as I said.

ad-out
02-01-2010, 06:17 PM
I think it is because there are many people here (stupidly enough) that view Spanish as exactly the same as Mexican - or any other Latin American origin. And since people from Latin America are called "latino" by many people here they assume you should have that kind of look and call yourself that.. Hate to hear things like this because it just reinforces what others think of our country..

superslam77
02-01-2010, 06:26 PM
Wrong. Just as I said.

No i think it's obvious we are talking about ethnic spaniards that have adapted there at least few centuries. We aren't talking about nationality...i can understand that's the American and Latin American view. Not the euro view of things.

tedlesurfeur
02-01-2010, 06:30 PM
No i think it's obvious we are talking about ethnic spaniards that have adapted there at least few centuries. We aren't talking about nationality...i can understand that's the American and Latin American view. Not the euro view of things.

I don't understand what you're saying.

Snoo Foo
02-01-2010, 06:30 PM
I have no idea what they were thinking (you should have asked the people who said it) but my guess is they meant that you don't look like the stereotypical US image of a Spaniard: dark-haired, dark-eyed, darker skinned (Rafa, Antonio Banderas, Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz).

Also in the US there is a common misconception that latino/hispanic is a discrete "race" and since you don't look like their idea of a latino (again, dark) or their idea of a black person or their idea of an Asian person, you "look white" by default.

superslam77
02-01-2010, 06:47 PM
I don't understand what you're saying.

You said that he is trying to match nationality to ethnicity and classify it as wrong. well you know that is the case in most of europe or any other place that has an ethnic or stabilized population. For americans it's just nationality(they are a country made of inmigrants).

So what i'm saying is: "you know we are talking about the majority".

superslam77
02-01-2010, 06:51 PM
btw i could say that arab is not a race but a nationality(So in that case how is an arab a spaniard) Arabs have like 7 ethnicities including Caucasians. All very subjective and misleading like you said.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 06:52 PM
The very thread title is misleading :

You're trying to match a Nationality to an Ethnicity, which is quite dumb in my opinion.
It's as if you were saying "are Americans white?" or "Are South Africans black?"

So, the answer, which you could have found by yourself, is very simple:
Yes there are white spaniards.
Some of them aren't, because they're black, or arab.
I'd say a consequent amount of the spanish population stems from interbreeding.

I know that Einstein. As another poster pointed out I'm talking about ethnic Spaniards with no recent blood influx from other peoples.

I think you ran into three ignorant people. I never thought of Spaniards as black, and I don't really know why it would matter. What part of the US were you traveling?

I have no idea what they were thinking (you should have asked the people who said it) but my guess is they meant that you don't look like the stereotypical US image of a Spaniard: dark-haired, dark-eyed, darker skinned (Rafa, Antonio Banderas, Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz).

Also in the US there is a common misconception that latino/hispanic is a discrete "race" and since you don't look like their idea of a latino (again, dark) or their idea of a black person or their idea of an Asian person, you "look white" by default.

I was in New England.

My guess is that too, that they mixed me up with Latin Americans who, although very distinct racially, have for the most part a significant percentage of Native American blood (especially the ones living in the US). I guess they were expecting me to look like them and not like an Italian, a Frenchman or a Jew (which were the answers they gave me when I asked them what I looked like).

Still, among educated Americans, are Spaniards considered white?

miura
02-01-2010, 06:56 PM
I change my opinion. You're not white José. You're pale.

:banana:

tedlesurfeur
02-01-2010, 07:01 PM
You said that he is trying to match nationality to ethnicity and classify it as wrong. well you know that is the case in most of europe or any other place that has an ethnic or stabilized population. For americans it's just nationality(they are a country made of inmigrants).

So what i'm saying is: "you know we are talking about the majority".

It's still wrong :lol: and very dangerous if I may say.
Let me give you an example of why should Nationality and Ethnicity be really distinguished.
In France, we often hear "He looks French / He looks Black / He looks Arab". To, me this is highly disrespectful. Doesn't it imply somehow that black and arab people, even if they are French citizens, are "less" French ?
Then, in school, we have black or arab kids that get confused, because they don't feel French, even if they are. They feel, at some unconscious level, rejected and think that their "real" nationality is abroad. And this feeling of misfit stays with them as they grow up.

Moreover, even if they are "stabilized", what's the point in matching a country to an ehtnicity. It's not what nationality is about, is it? In this area, Americans see clearer than Europeans, for once.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 07:05 PM
It's still wrong :lol: and very dangerous if I may say.
Let me give you an example of why should Nationality and Ethnicity be really distinguished.
In France, we often hear "He looks French / He looks Black / He looks Arab". To, me this is highly disrespectful. Doesn't it imply somehow that black and arab people, even if they are French citizens, are "less" French ?
Then, in school, we have black or arab kids that get confused, because they don't feel French, even if they are. They feel, at some unconscious level, rejected and think that their "real" nationality is abroad. And this feeling of misfit stays with them as they grow up.

Moreover, even if they are "stabilized", what's the point in matching a country to an ehtnicity. It's not what nationality is about, is it? In this area, Americans see clearer than Europeans, for once.

Look mister, if you want to talk about that, open another thread. I made clear what I was referring to (which everyone seemed to get except for you).

tedlesurfeur
02-01-2010, 07:08 PM
I know that Einstein. As another poster pointed out I'm talking about ethnic Spaniards with no recent blood influx from other peoples.

Such a thing is a dangerous misconception.

I was in New England.

My guess is that too, that they mixed me up with Latin Americans who, although very distinct racially, have for the most part a significant percentage of Native American blood (especially the ones living in the US). I guess they were expecting me to look like them and not like an Italian, a Frenchman or a Jew (which were the answers they gave me when I asked them what I looked like).

Still, among educated Americans, are Spaniards considered white?

Does it matter? I mean, my question now is "why are you sensitive about this subject?". Do you really need to feel like you belong to an ethnic group? That bothers me.
Moreover, I think you're using the word "race" like it was used before world wars, which is also dangerous. Now, scholars speak about the human race. There can't different races among human beings. This is yet another misconception. There can only be ethnical differences. You could say that I'm playing with words, but words translate thoughts, and one word can easily lead to a misconception. Maybe the lessons taught by the WW are nothing to you, however I stongly suggest you think again about the whole nationality-ethnicity confusion.

Snoo Foo
02-01-2010, 07:09 PM
Still, among educated Americans, are Spaniards considered white?

:lol: the subject does not often arise in conversation. the "race" of spaniards has not been something i've ever given much thought to and i live in a large cosmopolitan city and i watch a shitload of tennis. based on how little time (zero) i've thought about it, i'm guessing very few people have any thoughts whatsoever regarding the "race" of spaniards. i'm going to go out on a limb and say that prolly most "educated Americans" consider spaniards to be "white," insofar as they've considered it at all, which i suspect is very little. we're too busy classifying and categorizing and stereotyping the people around us to worry about you, no offense.

tedlesurfeur
02-01-2010, 07:11 PM
Look mister, if you want to talk about that, open another thread. I made clear what I was referring to (which everyone seemed to get except for you).

Well, I tried to answer and help, sorry if it wasn't what you expected :p

Snoo Foo
02-01-2010, 07:12 PM
I guess they were expecting me to look like them and not like an Italian, a Frenchman or a Jew (which were the answers they gave me when I asked them what I looked like).

:lol: there are lots of people in this country who don't consider italians and jews to be white, either.

superslam77
02-01-2010, 07:14 PM
It's still wrong :lol: and very dangerous if I may say.
Let me give you an example of why should Nationality and Ethnicity be really distinguished.
In France, we often hear "He looks French / He looks Black / He looks Arab". To, me this is highly disrespectful. Doesn't it imply somehow that black and arab people, even if they are French citizens, are "less" French ?
Then, in school, we have black or arab kids that get confused, because they don't feel French, even if they are. They feel, at some unconscious level, rejected and think that their "real" nationality is abroad. And this feeling of misfit stays with them as they grow up.

Moreover, even if they are "stabilized", what's the point in matching a country to an ehtnicity. It's not what nationality is about, is it? In this area, Americans see clearer than Europeans, for once.

Wrong or nothing more than an opinion... france is an inmigrant country as well so no wonder their view will be similar to that of Americans.

The truth is a non native looking person will feel different because they are and look different.It's just political correctness what are kids supposed to be blind and not notice any difference? Make sure i don't support name calling or anything of the sort.

Also natives are more adapted to local weather and culture...this is not even questionable. This kind of American thinking is what wiped out the north american natives.

Back to the topic like José said btw.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 07:19 PM
Such a thing is a dangerous misconception.



Does it matter? I mean, my question now is "why are you sensitive about this subject?". Do you really need to feel like you belong to an ethnic group? That bothers me.
Moreover, I think you're using the word "race" like it was used before world wars, which is also dangerous. Now, scholars speak about the human race. There can't different races among human beings. This is yet another misconception. There can only be ethnical differences. You could say that I'm playing with words, but words translate thoughts, and one word can easily lead to a misconception. Maybe the lessons taught by the WW are nothing to you, however I stongly suggest you think again about the whole nationality-ethnicity confusion.

I suggest you stop telling me what to do. Especially if it has to do with words and meanings. Thank you.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 07:22 PM
:lol: the subject does not often arise in conversation. the "race" of spaniards has not been something i've ever given much thought to and i live in a large cosmopolitan city and i watch a shitload of tennis. based on how little time (zero) i've thought about it, i'm guessing very few people have any thoughts whatsoever regarding the "race" of spaniards. i'm going to go out on a limb and say that prolly most "educated Americans" consider spaniards to be "white," insofar as they've considered it at all, which i suspect is very little. we're too busy classifying and categorizing and stereotyping the people around us to worry about you, no offense.

:lol: there are lots of people in this country who don't consider italians and jews to be white, either.

OK now I'm even more confused than before. :lol:

tedlesurfeur
02-01-2010, 07:23 PM
Sure :lol: the thread title said it all anyway :haha:

Snoo Foo
02-01-2010, 07:31 PM
OK now I'm even more confused than before. :lol:

most of us are. i suggest you stop worrying about it.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 07:33 PM
most of us are. i suggest you stop worrying about it.

Curiosity more than anything. ;)

Though I'd be surprised if at least three posters didn't accuse me of being a nazi.

tangerine_dream
02-01-2010, 07:48 PM
First of all, for the love of all that's worthy please keep racism out of here.
Good luck with that.

when I was in the US I was approached three times by three different people who after I told them I was Spanish went "oh really? but... but you look white." Rather puzzling that was... maybe our American friends can comment on this.
Most Americans' experiences with spanish-speaking people come in the form of mexicans, and central americans/caribeans, i.e. a lot of brown people. Spaniards in the US are rare (http://names.mongabay.com/ancestry/Spaniard.html), so I'm not surprised you get a lot of puzzled looks.

The only Spaniards most Americans would know off the top of their head, thanks to Hollywood, would be the dark and mysterious types like Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz. Yes, it's a stereotype, but not necessarily a bad one.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 07:57 PM
Good luck with that.


Most Americans' experiences with spanish-speaking people come in the form of mexicans, and central americans/caribeans, i.e. a lot of brown people. Spaniards in the US are rare (http://names.mongabay.com/ancestry/Spaniard.html), so I'm not surprised you get a lot of puzzled looks.

The only Spaniards most Americans would know off the top of their head, thanks to Hollywood, would be the dark and mysterious types like Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz. Yes, it's a stereotype, but not necessarily a bad one.

But Banderas and Cruz aren't the typical Spaniards...

thanks.

JolánGagó
02-01-2010, 08:11 PM
Many Americans won't know the difference between "Hispanic" and "Spanish", most think Spain is somewhere "down there" between Jalisco and Guatemala :shrug:

JolánGagó
02-01-2010, 08:12 PM
Penelope is quite stereotypical Spanish and no, she isn't dark skinned at all.

Nidhogg
02-01-2010, 09:07 PM
These racial terms are becoming more and more obselete, if they weren't already from the start, considering that the entire population of Homo Sapiens today most likely derives from a group of no more than 10,000 individiuals.
There's actually very little genetic variation to talk of, despite specialised features coming from isolated refinement (such as Tibetans or people living at a high altitude who have developed a very good lung capacity, or how Inuits are stocky built to help them in the cold).

Penelope is quite stereotypical Spanish and no, she isn't dark skinned at all.

Penelope Cruz?

To use tennisplayers as examples, are F. Lopez and Robredo just as stereotypically Spanish as, say, Verdasco and Almagro? Is there a certain skin shade which fits to that stereotype?

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 09:14 PM
These racial terms are becoming more and more obselete, if they weren't already from the start, considering that the entire population of Homo Sapiens today most likely derives from a group of no more than 10,000 individiuals.
There's actually very little genetic variation to talk of, despite specialised features coming from isolated refinement (such as Tibetans or people living at a high altitude who have developed a very good lung capacity, or how Inuits are stocky built to help them in the cold).

That is well true, but my question was a social one, not a scientific one.

kai.
02-01-2010, 09:18 PM
First of all, for the love of all that's worthy please keep racism out of here.

I've had the chance to travel a lot and talk to many people from many places, and I've had many puzzling experiences regarding my nationality and race. Although in Europe I've never found anyone who didn't regard me as member of the white race (granted I don't go around asking), when I was in the US I was approached three times by three different people who after I told them I was Spanish went "oh really? but... but you look white." Rather puzzling that was... maybe our American friends can comment on this.

Anyway seeing as this is a very international place, I'd like to know what the perception is regarding the racial classification of Spaniards in your country.

Again, please keep this civil...

Don´t waste your time in thinking or analyzing what the Americans say.
80% of Americans (When i say "Americans" i mean people that was born here and grew up here) don't know anything else apart what they see on their tv.

when you ask them "were colon land of the first time" they answer you "Peru" :o or "Brasil" :rolleyes:, and they keep saying "Mexican" as the Spanish language. and on... :S

So don´t use your time thinking on what they think or what they wanted to say, because is a waste of time. :angel:

star
02-01-2010, 09:19 PM
Many Americans won't know the difference between "Hispanic" and "Spanish", most think Spain is somewhere "down there" between Jalisco and Guatemala :shrug:

I don't think that's true. I think most Americans know that Spain is a European country.

But, where I live, not New England, many people of long ago mexican descent call themselves "Spanish" to distinguish themselves from the more newly arrived Mexicans. Some of these people's ancestors were in this part of the world when it was still part of the Spanish empire. Some ancestors were hiding their jewish origins and maybe some their arab origins too by coming to the far reaches of the Spanish empire. I'm digressing, but it's a fascinating part of Spanish colonial history in this country.

star
02-01-2010, 09:23 PM
That is well true, but my question was a social one, not a scientific one.

I don't think you are going to get an answer that satisfies you.

Three people asked you this question. I would assume you talked to more than three people, and I assume these people did not ask you that question. If I went somewhere and three out of many many people thought something, I would not assume everyone in the whole nation thought the same thing -- not even if it were Luxenborg, and certainly not a nation as diverse as the U.S.

Nidhogg
02-01-2010, 09:24 PM
Well, to keep it simple, I guess most Spaniards mainly have caucasian features. Some with a sprinkle of arabic touch, due to the Moors.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 09:28 PM
I don't think you are going to get an answer that satisfies you.

I already got them.

Three people asked you this question. I would assume you talked to more than three people, and I assume these people did not ask you that question. If I went somewhere and three out of many many people thought something, I would not assume everyone in the whole nation thought the same thing -- not even if it were Luxenborg, and certainly not a nation as diverse as the U.S.

While, on the other hand, I did?

I don't know where Luxenborg is by the way.

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 09:30 PM
Well, to keep it simple, I guess most Spaniards mainly have caucasian features. Some with a sprinkle of arabic touch, due to the Moors.

Let's not go into the genetic history... like most European peoples Spaniards have had influxes of Phoenician, Greek, Roman, Germanic and Arab blood, and that's only the main ones.

star
02-01-2010, 09:32 PM
Curiosity more than anything. ;)

Though I'd be surprised if at least three posters didn't accuse me of being a nazi.


I think I am beginning to see the point of the thread.

I was confused for awhile.

Nidhogg
02-01-2010, 09:36 PM
Let's not go into the genetic history... like most European peoples Spaniards have had influxes of Phoenician, Greek, Roman, Germanic and Arab blood, and that's only the main ones.

Naturally.

All right. If we are to go on nothing but the social, a Spaniard is nothing else than someone living or coming from Spain. :lol:

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 09:38 PM
I think I am beginning to see the point of the thread.

I was confused for awhile.

That makes two I take it.

Anyone else??

Naturally.

All right. If we are to go on nothing but the social, a Spaniard is nothing else than someone living or coming from Spain. :lol:

:o :ras:

tangerine_dream
02-01-2010, 09:47 PM
But Banderas and Cruz aren't the typical Spaniards...
You asked for some insights regarding the racial classification of Spaniards in your country. I gave you one theory why many Americans think Spaniards are dark.

It doesn't help that that another famous Spaniard Rafa looks like a delicious mocha flavored coffee bean. http://i45.tinypic.com/ev18p4.gif

Har-Tru
02-01-2010, 09:50 PM
You asked for some insights regarding the racial classification of Spaniards in your country. I gave you one theory why many Americans think Spaniards are dark.

It doesn't help that that another famous Spaniard Rafa looks like a delicious mocha flavored coffee bean. http://i45.tinypic.com/ev18p4.gif

I know, I got what you meant. ;) And yes Rafa is incredibly dark. :lol: My father among other people in Spain sustains the theory that he's half gipsy.

Snoo Foo
02-01-2010, 09:53 PM
sounds like spaniards are as obsessed with race as the people of my country

kai.
02-01-2010, 10:23 PM
It doesn't help that that another famous Spaniard Rafa looks like a delicious mocha flavored coffee bean. http://i45.tinypic.com/ev18p4.gif

jajajajajaj :rolls:

star
02-01-2010, 10:30 PM
That makes two I take it.

Anyone else??



:o :ras:

:lol: :lol:

No, it means you posted the thread looking for people to attack you and call you a Nazi.

I don't think you are, I just think you want to be the center of attention for awhile.

buddyholly
02-01-2010, 10:44 PM
In Ireland, the descendants of Spaniards that were shipwrecked when the fleeing Armada ran into storms off the Irish coast, and the survivors that weren't slaughtered on the beaches ***** our Irish women, are called BLACK IRISH. So, if you are a Spaniard you are not white, but black.

Aloimeh
02-01-2010, 11:17 PM
There is a large group of Americans, even educated ones, who have bizarre notions on race.

As you know, I'm mostly Serbian, and not a particularly dark one (that's me in the avatar), and my sister's Southern blonde-haired blue-eyed friend asked what race she was. This girl has a PhD in biology and in later conversations seemed convinced that Mediterranean features (i.e. darker hair, eyes, tanner skin) must be due to African/Asian blood. It certainly might, but she has no concept of blue/green eyes and blondism (which are recessive mutations) arising *after* Caucasians (broadly speaking) diverged from other racial groups.

In short, there is a large group of Americans that thinks that anyone who isn't at least blonde/light brown-haired or blue/green-eyed or pasty-white skinned cannot be white. The fact that probably most Europeans have dark hair and/or dark eyes and a good number have olive skin is something they have difficulty wrapping their heads around.

Also, they have no notions that Middle Easterners like Arabs and Persians, and many south Asians like Indians, are Caucasian. They think they are something else.

As for your Spanish question, they probably think Spaniards are like New World Hispanics, i.e. look like typical Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc.

Henry Chinaski
02-01-2010, 11:23 PM
In Ireland, the descendants of Spaniards that were shipwrecked when the fleeing Armada ran into storms off the Irish coast, and the survivors that weren't slaughtered on the beaches ***** our Irish women, are called BLACK IRISH. So, if you are a Spaniard you are not white, but black.

I'm pretty sure I've got a Spanish rapist somewhere in the family tree. dad was very dark skinned and so's one of my brothers.

Props to the rapists anyway, black irish girls are generally very hot.

Aloimeh
02-01-2010, 11:26 PM
One other thing: there is such a thing as a Spanish ethnic group. There's this nonsense tedlesurfeur posted of how "dangerous" it is to say so, but the fact remains that nation states have been formed, through history, on a particular ethnic group. Ethnicity is not race: it is culture, which carries with it things like language, traditions, etc. So while Spain has ethnic minorities, and all people in Spain are Spaniards (in the sense of equal citizens of Spain), there is no denying that there are distinct ethnic groups in Spain, whether it be autochthonous/indigenous ones, like ethnic Spaniards and Basques and Catalans, or more recent immigrant groups, such as Roma and French and Romanians and Moroccans.

Likewise, a Russian may be an ethnic Russian - the Eastern Slav people (which includes anyone assimilated into this culture, of course) that speaks Russian as its original native language - or belong to any of a number of ethnic groups living in Russia such as Mordvin, Tatar, Chukchi, Georgian, Finnish, Yakut, etc. The fact that the latter are all Russians in the national sense does not imply that the original ethnic group that formed Russia as a political entity does not exist.

To deny the relevance of ethnicity to world affairs, as tedlesurfeur does, is to be stupid. Kurds desire a Kurdish state because although they are Turkish citizens they are ethnically Kurds and face certain consequences for that. Cyprus is inhabited by Cypriots, but it matters a great deal whether you are a native Greek speaker or a native Turkish speaker (and what religion you are, since the religion and the language overlay almost perfectly on Cyprus).

Aloimeh
02-01-2010, 11:27 PM
I'm pretty sure I've got a Spanish rapist somewhere in the family tree. dad was very dark skinned and so's one of my brothers.

Props to the rapists anyway, black irish girls are generally very hot.

He's yoking. The British Isles have lots of Iberian influence pre-the Spanish Armada. And the idea that Celts were "originally" all red haired or blonde is probably also a myth.

JolánGagó
02-01-2010, 11:54 PM
One other thing: there is such a thing as a Spanish ethnic group. There's this nonsense tedlesurfeur posted of how "dangerous" it is to say so, but the fact remains that nation states have been formed, through history, on a particular ethnic group. Ethnicity is not race: it is culture, which carries with it things like language, traditions, etc. So while Spain has ethnic minorities, and all people in Spain are Spaniards (in the sense of equal citizens of Spain), there is no denying that there are distinct ethnic groups in Spain, whether it be autochthonous/indigenous ones, like ethnic Spaniards and Basques and Catalans, or more recent immigrant groups, such as Roma and French and Romanians and Moroccans.

Likewise, a Russian may be an ethnic Russian - the Eastern Slav people (which includes anyone assimilated into this culture, of course) that speaks Russian as its original native language - or belong to any of a number of ethnic groups living in Russia such as Mordvin, Tatar, Chukchi, Georgian, Finnish, Yakut, etc. The fact that the latter are all Russians in the national sense does not imply that the original ethnic group that formed Russia as a political entity does not exist.

To deny the relevance of ethnicity to world affairs, as tedlesurfeur does, is to be stupid. Kurds desire a Kurdish state because although they are Turkish citizens they are ethnically Kurds and face certain consequences for that. Cyprus is inhabited by Cypriots, but it matters a great deal whether you are a native Greek speaker or a native Turkish speaker (and what religion you are, since the religion and the language overlay almost perfectly on Cyprus).

It's a French thing, they like to act as "races" doesn't exist, it's taboo.

Kolya
02-02-2010, 12:29 AM
Depends on the person IMO rather than the race.

Like compare Nadal and someone like Gimeno-Traver.

It is obvious Gimeno has some Aryan blood in him compared to Nadal.

So he's more "white" than Nadal.

Henry Chinaski
02-02-2010, 12:41 AM
He's yoking. The British Isles have lots of Iberian influence pre-the Spanish Armada. And the idea that Celts were "originally" all red haired or blonde is probably also a myth.

I wasn't being 100% serious either...

WarriorA
02-02-2010, 03:04 AM
These racial terms are becoming more and more obselete, if they weren't already from the start, considering that the entire population of Homo Sapiens today most likely derives from a group of no more than 10,000 individiuals.
There's actually very little genetic variation to talk of, despite specialised features coming from isolated refinement (such as Tibetans or people living at a high altitude who have developed a very good lung capacity, or how Inuits are stocky built to help them in the cold).


So is there an anthro chat thread in the house? This puts me in the mood to talk Australopithecus. I Love Lucy :angel: :D

tedlesurfeur
02-02-2010, 09:09 AM
To deny the relevance of ethnicity to world affairs, as tedlesurfeur does, is to be stupid. Kurds desire a Kurdish state because although they are Turkish citizens they are ethnically Kurds and face certain consequences for that.

For one thing, I never denied its relevance to world affairs, but I pointed out something that bothered in the matching of nationality and ethnicity. Moreover, in your example, I'm not sure how relevant is the ethnic difference between Kurds and the rest of Turkey, I'd rather focus on the cultural difference, which is the most striking in my opinion. Out of all the groups that want independence, like Tibet or else, it's rather based on an cultural, ideological (and at times religious) difference. People from Corsica who want independence, or the Basques for that matter, want it because of a cultural and identity-related difference.
In my opinion, ethnicity comes after and is sometimes non relevant, just like for the examples I just mentionned.

It's a French thing, they like to act as "races" doesn't exist, it's taboo.

No, it's not taboo, it's just that we disagree, can you bear with that? :haha:

Action Jackson
02-02-2010, 10:15 AM
Some are and some aren't, then again this is not exactly surprising. People from Galicia and Asturias tend to be lighter skinned than from Andalusia, even then that is just a generalisation.

JolánGagó
02-02-2010, 11:48 AM
No, it's not taboo, it's just that we disagree, can you bear with that? :haha:

Yes, it is taboo. People cannot even be legally asked about their "race", "ethnicity", etc, nor any kind of stat about racial composition of the population allowed to be kept in la République.

tedlesurfeur
02-02-2010, 01:20 PM
Yes, it is taboo. People cannot even be legally asked about their "race", "ethnicity", etc, nor any kind of stat about racial composition of the population allowed to be kept in la République.

Usually the French don't care about nationalities as much as in other countries, but for once I'm glad to be French :haha:

Har-Tru
02-02-2010, 01:30 PM
Usually the French don't care about nationalities as much as in other countries

That is a joke, right?

JolánGagó
02-02-2010, 01:32 PM
Usually the French don't care about nationalities as much as in other countries, but for once I'm glad to be French :haha:

:haha:

Getta
02-02-2010, 01:51 PM
Some are and some aren't, then again this is not exactly surprising. People from Galicia and Asturias tend to be lighter skinned than from Andalusia, even then that is just a generalisation.

same goes for the Greeks.

well there is a little difference between the two groups, Spaniards and Greeks. here, different people have varying degrees of uniqueness to them regardless of what region of Greece they come from.

Har-Tru
02-02-2010, 02:00 PM
same goes for the Greeks.

well there is a little difference between the two groups, Spaniards and Greeks. here, different people have varying degrees of uniqueness to them regardless of what region of Greece they come from.

It's pretty much the same here really. It's just there are a bit more people with light hair in the north and more tanned people in the south.

I always saw Greeks as having darker hair but lighter skin than Spaniards, on the average of course.

Getta
02-02-2010, 02:09 PM
I always saw Greeks as having darker hair but lighter skin than Spaniards, on the average of course.

that's true in most cases. the colour of my skin, for example, happens to be the same as Roger Federer's. so perhaps that's why i'm considered to be a dark force and positively dangerous around here. :shrug:

Har-Tru
02-02-2010, 02:28 PM
that's true in most cases. the colour of my skin, for example, happens to be the same as Roger Federer's. so perhaps that's why i'm considered to be a dark force and positively dangerous around here. :shrug:

Federer is positively dangerous? What does that mean anyway?

argh the Greeks and their philosophy...

;)

TennisLurker
02-05-2010, 09:34 PM
In Argentina they are seen as white.

TennisLurker
02-05-2010, 09:39 PM
I think the only country in which Spaniards would not be considered whites would be Australia, there people from southern Europe are considered Wogs. I remember a girl made a thread here asking why Nalbandian was white (because of his blondness) when he was from Argentina, and for example, she did not consider Calleri, who is basically an ethnic italian, to be white.

In the USA spaniards get confused with latin americans, so that is probably wha happened to you.

marcRD
02-10-2010, 02:49 PM
I once talked to an american who thought Guga Kuerten must be some product of a nazi german who escaped to Brazil and had sex with the natives, he pointed out the light skin mixed with the curly hair and that all hispanics are somekind of mix of many things.

Ofcourse there are so many wrongs in logic here that I dont even know where to begin, I asked him if he thought Gisele Bundchen also was had kind of mixup and he answered that she probably is a fullblood daughter of nazi fugitives.

Rafa = Fed Killa
02-10-2010, 05:25 PM
Usually the French don't care about nationalities as much as in other countries, but for once I'm glad to be French :haha:

Drugs are bad

Chiseller
02-10-2010, 10:13 PM
Wait, you are white?
Sorry for being an ass then.

Arkulari
02-11-2010, 01:52 AM
Some are and some aren't, then again this is not exactly surprising. People from Galicia and Asturias tend to be lighter skinned than from Andalusia, even then that is just a generalisation.

People from the north of Spain tend to be lighter skinned than from other regions for several reasons: less historical moor presence (for example in Euskadi and Navarra)and less current inmigration, there are far less different ethnic groups in the north than in the south of Spain; latinamerican people for example tend to inmigrate to Madrid, Andalucia and sometimes Barcelona, but they won't go to Santiago de Compostela or Vitoria unless they have a very good reason to do so

I think I'm supposed to be a Caucasian, since my father's family has been Basque since God knows when and my mother is an Scandinavian woman with Scandinavian family but my husband is half Basque half Berber (weirdest combo ever, his mother's family comes from Ceuta/Morocco) though neither one of us is the common denominator in our region, most people around Euskadi tend to marry "regional" people due to the fact that inmigration is not that big (at least not since the first "industrial revolution" of Euskadi and the coming of the "maketos" or non basque spanish to work there :lol: ) unlike people in Madrid or Barcelona who would probably end up marrying people from other regions of Spain or even foreigners

And for the record: there are a lot of people in LatinAmerica that would be considered Caucasian/White depending on the country, if you go to places like Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, Uruguay or even some Colombian regions, not everyone has the stereotypical native american look, but if you go to Peru/Bolivia/Ecuador, most people around there are like that

Chloe le Bopper
02-11-2010, 02:18 PM
...

Anyway, please try to not use the word race. Millions of years have passed, so today is nearly impossible to encounter someone "100% pure".

I tried to share this idea with one of my students and they were extremely confused, because Korea is horribly broken.

Deivid23
02-11-2010, 03:19 PM
Red & white in my case, thx

nevenez
10-16-2010, 02:19 PM
Spanish people from Spain are white Europeans; in fact some of the oldest genes in Europe are found in Spain! There is this myth that they are all really dark, but it's not true. In the north in particular there are many blue eyed people with varying shades of hair. They are not all that much darker than the average Brits (to whom they are closely related genetically through ancient migration from this area.) They may have more of a tan...but hey, that's what happens when you live in a sunny climate!

Elena.
10-16-2010, 07:17 PM
.....when I was in the US I was approached three times by three different people who after I told them I was Spanish went "oh really? but... but you look white." Rather puzzling that was... maybe our American friends can comment on this.

Anyway seeing as this is a very international place, I'd like to know what the perception is regarding the racial classification of Spaniards in your country.

Again, please keep this civil...

The average American doesn't even know where Spain is !The average level of education there is quite low ...

tangerine_dream
10-16-2010, 08:29 PM
The average American doesn't even know where Spain is !The average level of education there is quite low ...
Another victim of the Italian education system (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/family-fiefdoms-blamed-for-tainting-italian-universities-2089120.html), I see.

Aloimeh
10-16-2010, 08:39 PM
The average American doesn't even know where Spain is !The average level of education there is quite low ...

Where did you come up with this idea?

I am really tired of the insults heaped upon this country day in and day out, usually by rather snobby and ignorant Europeans.

America has the strongest institutions of higher education in the world, the strongest research institutions, the greatest funds for research, the best hospitals, and there are people from all over the world flocking to this country for graduate studies, post-doctoral studies, residency training, and employment. Yet somehow these foreigners always find ways to bash this great nation, which has opened its doors wide open to them, and I simply cannot understand why.

If Americans are a bit more ignorant of the outside world than, for instance, Italians, it largely has to do with the relative positions of the US and Italy in the world. Italians live in a rather small country territorially-speaking, which borders many other countries that speak different languages. Italy has had a very long and turbulent history, directly seen two world wars, invasions, Roman empire, etc. Italians have to be aware of their geography and their history. The US has largely been insulated from the past several centuries of turbulence that was seen in Europe and Asia, is vast in size and population, and Americans can get by very well in our society without needing to go abroad, without needing to know about European geography or history, and without needing to learn foreign languages. So the average American doesn't necessarily learn that which he doesn't need.

Elena.
10-16-2010, 08:49 PM
Where did you come up with this idea?

I am really tired of the insults heaped upon this country day in and day out, usually by rather snobby and ignorant Europeans.

America has the strongest institutions of higher education in the world, the strongest research institutions, the greatest funds for research, the best hospitals, and there are people from all over the world flocking to this country for graduate studies, post-doctoral studies, residency training, and employment. Yet somehow these foreigners always find ways to bash this great nation, which has opened its doors wide open to them, and I simply cannot understand why.

If Americans are a bit more ignorant of the outside world than, for instance, Italians, it largely has to do with the relative positions of the US and Italy in the world. Italians live in a rather small country territorially-speaking, which borders many other countries that speak different languages. Italy has had a very long and turbulent history, directly seen two world wars, invasions, Roman empire, etc. Italians have to be aware of their geography and their history. The US has largely been insulated from the past several centuries of turbulence that was seen in Europe and Asia, is vast in size and population, and Americans can get by very well in our society without needing to go abroad, without needing to know about European geography or history, and without needing to learn foreign languages. So the average American doesn't necessarily learn that which he doesn't need.

It comes from direct experience.What can i say ?I am talking about general schooling levels,not University level,which is probably better in the Us like tangerine pointed out.
There are for example east European countries where the general level of education is very high ,higher than Italy or whatever,just sharing some impressions,anyway i read your reasons ,maybe right ...

FormerRafaFan
10-16-2010, 08:51 PM
Where did you come up with this idea?

I am really tired of the insults heaped upon this country day in and day out, usually by rather snobby and ignorant Europeans.

America has the strongest institutions of higher education in the world, the strongest research institutions, the greatest funds for research, the best hospitals, and there are people from all over the world flocking to this country for graduate studies, post-doctoral studies, residency training, and employment. Yet somehow these foreigners always find ways to bash this great nation, which has opened its doors wide open to them, and I simply cannot understand why.

If Americans are a bit more ignorant of the outside world than, for instance, Italians, it largely has to do with the relative positions of the US and Italy in the world. Italians live in a rather small country territorially-speaking, which borders many other countries that speak different languages. Italy has had a very long and turbulent history, directly seen two world wars, invasions, Roman empire, etc. Italians have to be aware of their geography and their history. The US has largely been insulated from the past several centuries of turbulence that was seen in Europe and Asia, is vast in size and population, and Americans can get by very well in our society without needing to go abroad, without needing to know about European geography or history, and without needing to learn foreign languages. So the average American doesn't necessarily learn that which he doesn't need.

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Seingeist
10-16-2010, 09:07 PM
fJuNgBkloFE

A 5-minute Youtube video that shows Americans on the street giving dumb answers to questions? Well that settles it then!! I guess America doesn't have the best institutions of higher education after all.

Sorry Aloimeh, it looks like you've been refuted.

finishingmove
10-16-2010, 09:32 PM
depends how u want to see it

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Mjau!
10-16-2010, 10:12 PM
First of all, for the love of all that's worthy please keep racism out of here.

I've had the chance to travel a lot and talk to many people from many places, and I've had many puzzling experiences regarding my nationality and race. Although in Europe I've never found anyone who didn't regard me as member of the white race (granted I don't go around asking), when I was in the US I was approached three times by three different people who after I told them I was Spanish went "oh really? but... but you look white." Rather puzzling that was... maybe our American friends can comment on this.

Anyway seeing as this is a very international place, I'd like to know what the perception is regarding the racial classification of Spaniards in your country.

Again, please keep this civil...

You should have replied "Spanish is a nationality, not a "race", tonto!" :retard:

FormerRafaFan
10-16-2010, 10:14 PM
A 5-minute Youtube video that shows Americans on the street giving dumb answers to questions? Well that settles it then!! I guess America doesn't have the best institutions of higher education after all.

Sorry Aloimeh, it looks like you've been refuted.

You want more proof? Here's another one.. People don't even now WHEN the 9/11 attack happened! I'm not American, but even I know that.

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Mjau!
10-16-2010, 10:15 PM
fJuNgBkloFE

Don't they teach you the concept of source evaluation in norwegia? :silly:

buddyholly
10-16-2010, 11:14 PM
Sometimes I wish I was so blissfully ignorant. It must be liberating.

cobalt60
10-16-2010, 11:25 PM
Sometimes I wish I was so blissfully ignorant. It must be liberating.

I bet the ignorant don't have ulcers or hypertension. Such bliss; how I long for those days;)

icecastle
10-17-2010, 12:42 AM
Sometimes I wish I was so blissfully ignorant. It must be liberating.

I bet the ignorant don't have ulcers or hypertension. Such bliss; how I long for those days;)

:lol:

Pirata.
10-17-2010, 01:18 AM
fJuNgBkloFE

And then on the flip side, you have a couple of very well educated children who probably know more than all the people in this video combined and then some.

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elena_k
10-17-2010, 01:20 AM
hispanic

Echoes
10-17-2010, 12:15 PM
"Who won the Vietnam War? We did."

That response is perfectly correct.

---------

As Woody put it, the best thing when you are intelligent, is that you can also be stupid while the reverse is not possible. :p

Kiedis
10-17-2010, 03:43 PM
In Ireland, the descendants of Spaniards that were shipwrecked when the fleeing Armada ran into storms off the Irish coast, and the survivors that weren't slaughtered on the beaches ***** our Irish women, are called BLACK IRISH. So, if you are a Spaniard you are not white, but black.

So a black irish is the founding father I guess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89amon_de_Valera

«Ivan»
10-17-2010, 05:57 PM
hispanic

new rase?

caucasian but i'm not sure what colour catalans are:rolleyes:

Har-Tru
11-07-2010, 07:04 PM
new rase?

caucasian but i'm not sure what colour catalans are:rolleyes:

Pink. You'd like them.




Had completely forgotten about this thread. Good stuff in those last posts...

from what I could see, American primary and secondary education is rather lacking and poor, even poorer than in Spain which is saying a lot. But their higher education, post-graduate education etc. is undoubtedly the best in the world.

GeoMaster
11-07-2010, 07:13 PM
of course Spanish are white :D

vucina
11-07-2010, 07:53 PM
Define "white".

Har-Tru
11-08-2010, 11:52 AM
Define "white".

No, you do it.

That was the point of this thread in the end.

vucina
11-08-2010, 12:09 PM
No, you do it.

That was the point of this thread in the end.

I can't, and I don't think such a thing exists. Are Turks white? Chechens? I would like to hear criteria for "whiteness" and then I'll answer.

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 04:07 PM
All the genetic researchs made in Europe show that the spanish genetic mapping does not specially differs from the rest of Western Europe.

Y-DNA (paternal lineages) map: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

mt-DNA (maternal lineages) map: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtml

I don't know which should be the international criteria for "being white" (biology discarded the term "race" a long time ago anyways) but if we aren't whites I guess most of western europeans aren't either.

Greetings.

Mjau!
11-11-2010, 04:11 PM
Why do you people care so much about being "white" anyway? :shrug:

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 04:12 PM
Who's caring about being white?

Mjau!
11-11-2010, 04:14 PM
You people? :unsure:

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 04:17 PM
I'm simply replying to the topic by providing scientific data. Your question doesn't make sense. I haven't said that "I want" to be something specific... nobody has said that.

Mjau!
11-11-2010, 04:21 PM
No normal person has a clue about the "genetic mapping" of spaniards compared to other western europeans. :wavey:

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 04:26 PM
Scientists are no "normal persons"?

Read the source I posted (Eupedia.com). It's a website managed by a belgian geneticist. He has made a compilation of all the genetic studies made in Europe.

I don't know which kind of uncivilized person would consider scientists to be "no normal persons". :retard:

:wavey:

Mjau!
11-11-2010, 04:39 PM
Scientists are no "normal persons"?

Read the source I posted (Eupedia.com). It's a website managed by a belgian genetist. He has made a compilation of all the genetic studies made in Europe.

I don't know which kind of uncivilized person would consider scientists to be "no normal persons". :retard:

:wavey:

No, it's obviously not normal. I'm sure that less than 0.1% of europeans have even a rudimentary knowledge of genetical differences between the populations of its countries, because they do not care enough to research the topic. Unlike you, evidently.

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 04:46 PM
Excuse me for being a "no normal person" by being interested in science and (more specifically) in anthropology then.

It's pretty evident than the 99.9% of the population are most interested in football, Lady Gaga, Brad Pitt and Angelina's problems, or Paris Hilton... But thanks to the "no normal people" the world advances every day.

Congratulations on being part of the 99.9%. :wavey:

Mjau!
11-11-2010, 04:49 PM
So have we established your pronounced caring for "anthropology" then? :shrug:

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 05:19 PM
I'm also interested in astronomy, paleontology and history.

But I guess that's too much to take for a swedish girl. http://foros.fotech.cl/style_emoticons/default/spektor.gif

So I'll understand if you call me "no normal person" from today on. :D

:wavey:

Har-Tru
11-11-2010, 05:35 PM
http://www.thecoast.ca/images/blogimages/2010/03/29/1269881537-clapping-gif.gif

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 05:40 PM
It's always a pleasure to put a payoponi into shame. :cool:

Mjau!
11-11-2010, 05:44 PM
Anthropology is just a nicer name for race-biology anyway. I find your abnormal interest in this most questionable branch of "science" highly disturbing!

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 05:47 PM
Anthropology is just a nicer name for race-biology anyway. I find your abnormal interest in this most questionable branch of "science" highly disturbing!

If you find "not disturbing" being an illiterate about anthropology that's your problem. :shrug:

And by the way, I've already said in an earlier message that biology discarded the term "race" a long time ago.

Educate yourself and learn to read, darling. ;)

Har-Tru
11-11-2010, 05:53 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/52/Kyle_Moar.jpg

JolánGagó
11-11-2010, 07:41 PM
Anthropology is just a nicer name for race-biology anyway. I find your abnormal interest in this most questionable branch of "science" highly disturbing!

You're a total idiot, Im pleased to inform you.

Har-Tru
11-11-2010, 07:48 PM
You're a total idiot, Im pleased to inform you.

She's also very eager to run to the mods and cry when she feels she's being unfairly attacked, so watch out.

JolánGagó
11-11-2010, 07:58 PM
All the genetic researchs made in Europe show that the spanish genetic mapping does not specially differs from the rest of Western Europe.

Y-DNA (paternal lineages) map: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

mt-DNA (maternal lineages) map: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtml

Very interesting, thanks.

Some curious things, Spain is the the most homogeneous country on the maternal lineage :speakles: and the 4th on the paternal one, first three being Wales, Ireland and Scotland, England the 5th (!) the haplogroup in question is "Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Hittite, Armenian (!!)

I think it pretty much answers the title rather absurd question.

JolánGagó
11-11-2010, 08:00 PM
She's also very eager to run to the mods and cry when she feels she's being unfairly attacked, so watch out.

It was considered. Pleasure easily won.

scoobs
11-11-2010, 08:03 PM
Anthropology is just a nicer name for race-biology anyway. I find your abnormal interest in this most questionable branch of "science" highly disturbing!
Have I misread this or are you really trying to imply here that people interested in anthropology must be borderline racist?

Or what is your criteria for "abnormal interest"?

Nekromanta
11-11-2010, 08:07 PM
this most questionable branch of "science"

I have to agree with that. The less math a science contains the less of a "science" it is. Anthropology is a joke.

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 08:09 PM
@ scoobs

She is either trolling or being amusingly ignorant.

I'm expecting an infraction if she doesn't manage to clarify her post.

Greetings.

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 08:21 PM
LOL, look at this:

Scientific studies have shown that scandinavians are physically stronger and are blessed with superior fatigue resistance. These are probably the main reasons for our GREAT SUCCESS:yeah: on the surface.

Thread: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=144917&highlight=lactose

Now that's a piece of garbage borderlining racism. What a joke of a human being. :lol:

Once more from the same thread:

You jest, but there is a seed of truth to this! The grueling conditions up here have greatly benefited the current gene pool. For example, our remarkable lactose tolerance is a product of the non-milk drinkers failing to last the long, harsh winters!

OWNED.

vucina
11-11-2010, 08:23 PM
Political correctness must be a disease of epidemic proportions in Sweden.

Chair Umpire
11-11-2010, 08:30 PM
I think it's safe to say now that she was indeed trolling by implying that I was a racist.

So I'm expecting an infraction, scoobs.

Greetings.

scoobs
11-11-2010, 08:31 PM
I don't need you to tell me my job, thanks. Greetings.

Mjau!
11-12-2010, 02:13 AM
LOL, look at this:



Thread: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=144917&highlight=lactose

Now that's a piece of garbage borderlining racism. What a joke of a human being. :lol:

Once more from the same thread:



OWNED.

Wow, that is sooo creepy :scared: and pathetic! Quit stalking me you freak! :(

Reported.

Mjau!
11-12-2010, 02:14 AM
I think it's safe to say now that she was indeed trolling by implying that I was a racist.

So I'm expecting an infraction, scoobs.

Greetings.

:rolleyes: You confessed to trolling when admitting that the Carl-Gustaf and the now deleted 'shooting immigrants' thread were sad attempts at getting back at me because I said something that hurt your sense of nationalistic pride. :awww: :wavey:

Telling the mods to warn me... :o I'm afraid the spanish national soccer team has set a poor example for this impressionable young man. :nerner:

Mjau!
11-12-2010, 02:15 AM
I'm also interested in astronomy, paleontology and history.

But I guess that's too much to take for a swedish girl. http://foros.fotech.cl/style_emoticons/default/spektor.gif

So I'll understand if you call me "no normal person" from today on. :D

:wavey:

I'm forced to report this post as it is both xenophobic and misogynist... and awkward

Mjau!
11-12-2010, 02:17 AM
You're a total idiot, Im pleased to inform you.

As it is painfully obvious that you are a social:retard: suffering from some sort of empathy (deficit) disorder, I will refrain from reporting you out of pity. :hug:

Mjau!
11-12-2010, 02:19 AM
I don't need you to tell me my job, thanks. Greetings.

You tell him, Scoobie! :yeah:

Mjau!
11-12-2010, 02:20 AM
Very interesting, thanks.

Some curious things, Spain is the the most homogeneous country on the maternal lineage :speakles: and the 4th on the paternal one, first three being Wales, Ireland and Scotland, England the 5th (!) the haplogroup in question is "Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Hittite, Armenian (!!)

I think it pretty much answers the title rather absurd question.

Another one who's obsessed with being "white"... :rolleyes:

Chair Umpire
11-12-2010, 02:27 AM
Wow, that is sooo creepy :scared: and pathetic! Quit stalking me you freak! :(

Reported.


I exposed your hypocrisy and put you into shame. Deal with it. :wavey:

You have been OWNED ridiculous troll. :lol:

Mjau!
11-12-2010, 02:33 AM
I exposed your hypocrisy and put you into shame. Deal with it. :wavey:

You have been OWNED ridiculous troll. :lol:

I realize his must be difficult to fathom for someone with a 19th century world view, but you can't own another human being! :(

Chair Umpire
11-12-2010, 02:36 AM
Talking about having 19th century views...

Scientific studies have shown that scandinavians are physically stronger and are blessed with superior fatigue resistance. These are probably the main reasons for our GREAT SUCCESS:yeah: on the surface.

Shamefull. :o

Chair Umpire
11-12-2010, 03:10 AM
Have I misread this or are you really trying to imply here that people interested in anthropology must be borderline racist?

Or what is your criteria for "abnormal interest"?


As expected this coward and pitiful troll didn't answer to your question... so go and figure it by yourself. :o