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Speed of Light
01-24-2010, 05:31 AM
Straight set demolition for Rafa?
Or will Murray 'push' him further?

Fiberlight1
01-24-2010, 05:35 AM
Should be a great match..

Still not sold on Murray in GS's though

Xristos
01-24-2010, 05:40 AM
Murray in 4.

green25814
01-24-2010, 05:40 AM
Haven't seen anything from rafa so far. Going with Murray unless Rafa really raises his game.

Halba
01-24-2010, 05:44 AM
have to go with rafa. he won the last time they played on a hardcourt, and won well

Corey Feldman
01-24-2010, 05:45 AM
Nadal

Murray might stand a chance if he can hit 70% 1st serves - but thats unlikely

enigma
01-24-2010, 05:45 AM
Murray in 4.

Calidreth
01-24-2010, 05:47 AM
Nadal in 5

Clydey
01-24-2010, 05:48 AM
have to go with rafa. he won the last time they played on a hardcourt, and won well

This match won't be played in 40mph winds.

enigma
01-24-2010, 05:50 AM
This match won't be played in 40mph winds.



:smooch:

Langers
01-24-2010, 05:56 AM
Rafa is looking pretty good but is probably making a few too many UE's than usual.

Murray has played very well but hasn't come up against anything much. Hasn't dropped a set but again, his form guide is a bit misleading.

I'll say Rafa in 4 but this could EASILY be a memorable match.

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:06 AM
Rafa will get his act together and win in 4.

MIMIC
01-24-2010, 06:08 AM
Nadal is going to win (in 3 or 4). No question.

brithater
01-24-2010, 06:13 AM
Not seeing the upset happening. Murray looks like a dud this year so far. Rafa is a warrior and healthy right now. Rafa in 4.

xargon
01-24-2010, 06:16 AM
Rafa vs Murray H2h 7 to 2

Clydey
01-24-2010, 06:18 AM
Not seeing the upset happening. Murray looks like a dud this year so far. Rafa is a warrior and healthy right now. Rafa in 4.

Murray has a winners/UEs ratio of +72 for the tournament. He really is having a stinker of a tournament.

Could go either way. Depends on day form. Murray has looked better so far. Going for him in 4.

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:21 AM
Murray has a winners/UEs ratio of +72 for the tournament. He really is having a stinker of a tournament.

Could go either way. Depends on day form. Murray has looked better so far. Going for him in 4.

His cake draw contributes to that ratio.

brithater
01-24-2010, 06:24 AM
Intangables go to Nadal by leaps and bounds. Murray plays really well and Nadal has a bad day anthing can happen.

Clydey
01-24-2010, 06:25 AM
His cake draw contributes to that ratio.

As opposed to the titans Nadal has faced?

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:26 AM
As opposed to the titans Nadal has faced?

He played a titan today :shrug:

Clydey
01-24-2010, 06:27 AM
Intangables go to Nadal by leaps and bounds. Murray plays really well and Nadal has a bad day anthing can happen.

Because Nadal is known for mixing up his game?

Corey Feldman
01-24-2010, 06:28 AM
Rafa vs Murray H2h 7 to 27-3

Abu Dhabi

Clydey
01-24-2010, 06:30 AM
He played a titan today :shrug:

Only in terms of height. Isner was the ore difficult opponent.

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:31 AM
Because Nadal is known for mixing up his game?

Won't need to. Not vs. Murray at least.

7-3

Abu Dhabi

Don't tell me you're stooping to this.

Clydey
01-24-2010, 06:35 AM
Won't need to. Not vs. Murray at least.



Yeah, it served him well the last time they played in a major.

And the Abu Dhabi match is more relevant than the farcical IW match.

brithater
01-24-2010, 06:37 AM
Because Nadal is known for mixing up his game?

Mental Strength, Focus, Belief

jcempire
01-24-2010, 06:37 AM
I said Murray in 4

He is going to win the title............This would be first GSlam to Murray

Nadal and Murray both should to be in Semi Final... but sucks draw

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:38 AM
Yeah, it served him well the last time they played in a major.

Which was how long ago? How much has changed?

And the Abu Dhabi match is more relevant than the farcical IW match.

What makes you think Murray will win this?

Stefanos13
01-24-2010, 06:40 AM
My heart says Nadal, but it won't be easy. This one is really difficult to predict. Murray is in top form and Nadal's strokes are lacking 'zip' and confidence. However, this may be the match that awakes Nadal's lethal mood and super play. For this reason, Nadal in 4.

Foxy
01-24-2010, 06:42 AM
7-3

Abu Dhabi

Are you frightened, Mr. Feldman? Or shall I say BOL FELDMAN!!! :haha: :haha: :haha:

Clydey
01-24-2010, 06:44 AM
Which was how long ago? How much has changed?



What makes you think Murray will win this?

Because he's naturally a better hardcourt player than the Nadal. He is the aggressor in their HC matches and they hinge on his winners/UE ratio. It has been the case just about every time they have played on hard, with the exception of the farcical IW match.

Does that mean Murray will win? Of course not. As I said, it's a pick 'em match. There's no guarantee that Murray will execute the way he needs to.

Corey Feldman
01-24-2010, 06:47 AM
Don't tell me you're stooping to this.why not? you Nadal clowns celebrating his win over Soderling as if he'd just won a GS

Are you frightened, Mr. Feldman? Or shall I say BOL FELDMAN!!! :haha: :haha: :haha:of what? he who has no title since Roma :angel:

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:49 AM
Because he's naturally a better hardcourt player than the Nadal. He is the aggressor in their HC matches and they hinge on his winners/UE ratio. It has been the case just about every time they have played on hard, with the exception of the farcical IW match.

Does that mean Murray will win? Of course not. As I said, it's a pick 'em match. There's no guarantee that Murray will execute the way he needs to.

No way this is a pick em.

I just checked, and surprisingly Murray is currently 1.63 to Nadal's 2.06.

Do you think Murray is favored? Or would the smart investor back Nadal?

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:50 AM
why not? you Nadal clowns celebrating his win over Soderling as if he'd just won a GS

Don't clump me with the GM Nadal fans.

MalwareDie
01-24-2010, 06:50 AM
Murray knows what he needs to do to win and I think he'll pull it off.

Corey Feldman
01-24-2010, 06:51 AM
Don't clump me with the GM Nadal fans.your the leader of the pack

cat among mice

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:54 AM
your the leader of the pack

cat among mice

What does that make you?

Corey Feldman
01-24-2010, 06:55 AM
What does that make you?your daddy

Johnny Groove
01-24-2010, 06:56 AM
your daddy

In your wet dreams.

Corey Feldman
01-24-2010, 06:57 AM
:lol:

Clydey
01-24-2010, 07:00 AM
No way this is a pick em.

I just checked, and surprisingly Murray is currently 1.63 to Nadal's 2.06.

Do you think Murray is favored? Or would the smart investor back Nadal?

Murray is due a brainfart, so I'll be sticking a few quid on Nadal. This match is on Murray's racket, though. It is his winner/UE ratio that decides these matches with Nadal.

Foxy
01-24-2010, 07:00 AM
why not? you Nadal clowns celebrating his win over Soderling as if he'd just won a GS

of what? he who has no title since Roma :angel:

Abu Dhabi 2010.

Please, don't cry on Tuesday, tool. I will laugh at you big time.

Corey Feldman
01-24-2010, 07:00 AM
:spit:

Luinir
01-24-2010, 07:05 AM
Rafa in 3. :P

MatchFederer
01-24-2010, 07:32 AM
I reckon Murray in 4.

Lleyton_
01-24-2010, 07:55 AM
Abu Dhabi 2010.

Please, don't cry on Tuesday, tool. I will laugh at you big time.

5th slam.

vamosinator
01-24-2010, 08:09 AM
Nadal did a good job in the courtside interview today of keeping the pressure on Murray by mentioning how great Murray is at attack and defense and how Murray might send him home on the plane or whatever. Murray has maximum pressure having not dropped a set and being hyped up as usual; can't wait to see this bum fall :yeah:

Yves.
01-24-2010, 08:18 AM
Murray in 4.

+1

Not impressed with Nadal;)

madmax
01-24-2010, 08:43 AM
I'd say Murray in 4 as well...Nadull didn't impress me one bit and scott is just a better hardcourt player

vamosinator
01-24-2010, 08:46 AM
Don't forget that Murray always looks great against low ranked players, he kills them routinely but he never wins slams, so just be aware that Murray is doing in this slam what he does in most slams :yeah:

HarryMan
01-24-2010, 09:07 AM
After Davydenko, Murray has looked like the most inform player in this tournament. I don't see Nadal beating Murray in this form, he just seems to be playing very well. Murray in three or four.

Noleta
01-24-2010, 09:15 AM
Would love Rafa to win this,but Murray is the inform player so far,together with Davy.Murray is tacticus,i'm sure he'll find a way to beat Rafa,if he attacks his second serve he can make Rafa's life on court unbearable.

Mechlan
01-24-2010, 09:15 AM
Murray has the capability to win, but the smart bet here is probably Nadal.

Noleta
01-24-2010, 09:16 AM
Murray has the capability to win, but the smart bet here is probably Nadal.

But i think Murray is one of the smartest players out there,if not the smartest one:shrug:

Dyraise
01-24-2010, 09:32 AM
"Straight set demolition for Rafa"

FedFan
01-24-2010, 09:33 AM
Murray will win. He is topfit and has played great so far.

Nadal on the other side is not at the level of last year. Don't forget he has not won against the top five for eight months now.

Murray in four.

Topspin Forehand
01-24-2010, 09:33 AM
5 hour match I'm afraid. Murray is playing really well and attacking more than I thought he would.

Commander Data
01-24-2010, 09:44 AM
Time for Murray to do something in a GS. Murray in 4. you heard it here first folks. Mark my words. Murray in 4 tight sets. Will be a good match. But Murray will eventually step it up and take it.

6:4 5:7 7:6 6:3

Lottery numbers for next weekend:

45 2 5 18 34 3 19

Mechlan
01-24-2010, 09:44 AM
But i think Murray is one of the smartest players out there,if not the smartest one:shrug:

Smart bet, not smart player. :p

Just based on Nadal's history and the way the courts are playing. Haven't yet seen Murray execute the type of game he'll need to to beat Nadal.

vamosinator
01-24-2010, 09:44 AM
Same as 2009 Indian Wells, Nadal 6-1 6-2 6-0.

Also keep an eye on the 1st set because Nadal is 87-1 in Grand Slam matches that he wins the 1st set in :yeah:

Noleta
01-24-2010, 09:45 AM
Time for Murray to do something in a GS. Murray in 4. you heard it here first folks. Mark my words. Murray in 4 tight sets. Will be a good match. But Murray will eventually step it up and take it.

6:4 5:7 7:6 6:3

Lottery numbers for next weekend:

45 2 5 18 34 3 19

What about EuroMiliions?:bounce:

born_on_clay
01-24-2010, 09:50 AM
I just don't know.... :(

n8
01-24-2010, 09:55 AM
Anyone know when the last time two top four players (yes, Murray is ranked four in the world) faced each other in a Grand Slam quarter-final? Should be a great match.

vamosinator
01-24-2010, 09:57 AM
This QF is Nadal's final, he will blitz Roddick and Federer for sure :yeah:

Dyraise
01-24-2010, 10:11 AM
36-38 to Murray? Almost 50-50...
I can´t believe than so many people pick Andy. Are you blind? Did you see Marri play? Did you see Rafa play?

Noleta
01-24-2010, 10:16 AM
36-38 to Murray? Almost 50-50...
I can´t believe than so many people pick Andy. Are you blind? Did you see Marri play? Did you see Rafa play?

Yes and yes.

vamosinator
01-24-2010, 10:26 AM
People always pick Murray in bigtime matchups, but he never wins the slam, so its normal for so many posters to pick Murray :yeah: lets keep the pressure on Murray so Nadal can cruise on by as the underdog :yeah:

Will be interesting to read what posters are saying when Nadal wins the first set. Would you expect Murray to win if he loses the first set, knowing that Nadal is 87-1 in gs matches that he wins the first set in?

Logical
01-24-2010, 10:30 AM
Spanish Matador in straight sets. Finish off under one hour this overrated mug breezing through shit draw, Matador.

paseo
01-24-2010, 10:31 AM
Been waiting for this match since the tournament begin. Murray will win in 4 or 5.

Hola Mr. SK
01-24-2010, 10:35 AM
Murray needs gut to close this one out. 50/50 match

Noleta
01-24-2010, 10:36 AM
People always pick Murray in bigtime matchups, but he never wins the slam, so its normal for so many posters to pick Murray :yeah: lets keep the pressure on Murray so Nadal can cruise on by as the underdog :yeah:

Will be interesting to read what posters are saying when Nadal wins the first set. Would you expect Murray to win if he loses the first set, knowing that Nadal is 87-1 in gs matches that he wins the first set in?

Shh:(

Yeah,why not?

coonster14
01-24-2010, 10:36 AM
VAMOS RAFA!!! i think rafa takes this in 4, this should be a good match, could be an 'epic' as well. :)

rubbERR
01-24-2010, 10:39 AM
its a miracle if murray can win with his usual 1st serve %

Jōris
01-24-2010, 10:55 AM
Both are in form, both play defensive, both rely on movement, both are nicknamed Rambo. It's a coin-toss.

Yves.
01-24-2010, 10:59 AM
Both are in form, both play defensive, both rely on movement, both are nicknamed Rambo. It's a coin-toss.

??

Jōris
01-24-2010, 11:01 AM
??

I made that part up.

Clydey
01-24-2010, 11:14 AM
I made that part up.

:lol:

I've missed you.

saniapower
01-24-2010, 11:17 AM
Murray in 4

saniapower
01-24-2010, 11:18 AM
or Madal in 3

Andi-M
01-24-2010, 11:18 AM
Murray will be so up for this one. i think he'll play very well, I'd imagine that would be good enough to win, but it will depend on Nadal's form.

NadalTMC09 shows up - Murray in straights, Nadal so far 2010 shows up - Murray in 4. NadalAO09 - Nadal in 5.

Jōris
01-24-2010, 11:27 AM
:lol:

I've missed you.

Don't troll with my feelings for you.

Clydey
01-24-2010, 11:36 AM
Don't troll with my feelings for you.

Bring back the owl.

linus
01-24-2010, 12:02 PM
Really hard to say, just can sit there to watch the live :lol: maybe it depends on which one to push more pressure on the other for long enough :aplot:

arm
01-24-2010, 12:05 PM
Neither looks great. :shrug: So I guess Rafa has the edge. Also Murray's pushing won't work with Nadal like it did with isner. :rolls:

Orka_n
01-24-2010, 12:16 PM
What a match-up. Mug pusher vs. Moonballing mug pusher, to quote Ichiban1920.
Only good aspect of this match is that one of them will be knocked out.
I go for Murray in 5.

Elena.
01-24-2010, 12:31 PM
Murray in 4 or 5

Vida
01-24-2010, 12:34 PM
should be a cracker. real shame its only QF they are playing.

well, on paper its Murray in four, but thats the thing with those two, one is more of a champ - other is less. thing is, Murray's 'smartness' is overblown. if you havent got the weapons/game, being smart on court, 'tactical' or any of that invented strengths, wont do against Nadal. it just wont.

so if Murray plays his fine tennis, he wins only if Nadal is under par. when it comes to clutch, point here point there... Rafa goes forth. so yeah, Nadal wins this.

oz_boz
01-24-2010, 12:57 PM
Rafa in 4, the more impressive of them so far.

malisha
01-24-2010, 01:04 PM
Nadal in 3,4 or 5

malisha
01-24-2010, 01:08 PM
Murray is always agressive against Rafa...but his lack of matches in that "zone" will be a deciding factor here

Xenosys
01-24-2010, 01:14 PM
I'll say Murray in 5 tough sets. It has the potential to easily be the match of the tournament if both players bring their A games. The only reason I'm giving Murray any sort of edge, is due to the serene progress that's he made through the draw, relatively untroubled & physically he's looking fresher than I've ever seen him.

gorgo1986
01-24-2010, 01:16 PM
Its gonna be a very tough match but I think Rafa will win it in 4 based on his mental edge.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if Murray won in 4.

angry1
01-24-2010, 01:28 PM
Rafa in 4, the more impressive of them so far.

Most likely scoreline,no way.

TheBoiledEgg
01-24-2010, 01:55 PM
can we just put both to sleep and have Cilic in final

LinkMage
01-24-2010, 02:05 PM
Nadull will luck this out in 4 sets. :o

Goldenoldie
01-24-2010, 02:16 PM
Nadal still not back to his best, but he's getting there. Murray hasn't done a lot wrong, but except for the occasional service game he hasn't had to get out of second gear.

I reluctantly go for Nadal in straight sets, but he'll need to do it quickly, because the longer the match goes on, the more likely I think Murray is to win.

I can't help thinking that Murray shouldn't be meeting Nadal in the QF at all, if he'd played Doha and kept his #4 ranking. Time will tell if he made the right move to play Hopman Cup or not.

FedFan
01-24-2010, 02:29 PM
Nadal still not back to his best, but he's getting there. Murray hasn't done a lot wrong, but except for the occasional service game he hasn't had to get out of second gear.

I reluctantly go for Nadal in straight sets, but he'll need to do it quickly, because the longer the match goes on, the more likely I think Murray is to win.

I can't help thinking that Murray shouldn't be meeting Nadal in the QF at all, if he'd played Doha and kept his #4 ranking. Time will tell if he made the right move to play Hopman Cup or not.

Tell me, how Nadal can win a match quickly? ;)

Murray will profit from his freshness and from the fact, that he has a great return. He will have many chances to break Nadals serve.

It will surely not be a straight set win for Nadal.

Certinfy
01-24-2010, 02:30 PM
Murray in 5 :)

Commander Data
01-24-2010, 02:31 PM
People always pick Murray in bigtime matchups, but he never wins the slam, so its normal for so many posters to pick Murray :yeah: lets keep the pressure on Murray so Nadal can cruise on by as the underdog :yeah:

Will be interesting to read what posters are saying when Nadal wins the first set. Would you expect Murray to win if he loses the first set, knowing that Nadal is 87-1 in gs matches that he wins the first set in?

why don't you just shut your mouth? haven't you talked enough BS last year already?

carlhiro
01-24-2010, 02:39 PM
Rafa in 4.

Filo V.
01-24-2010, 02:47 PM
It all comes down to how Murray starts the match and serves. If he serves well, I think he will win. If he serves his usual percentage, I think Nadal will win. If Nadal wins the first set, I don't see him losing the match, and if it goes to 5 I don't see Nadal losing either. My heart says Nadal but my head is slightly leaning towards Murray. I just hope we see a great match.

selyoink
01-24-2010, 02:57 PM
Moonballer defeats Pusher, tennis edges closer to death.

foul_dwimmerlaik
01-24-2010, 03:02 PM
Only good aspect of this match is that one of them will be knocked out.
Quoted for truth. I don't care who wins as long as it goes something like 20-18 in the decider. Which means that Nadal will win.

muchu
01-24-2010, 03:12 PM
s**t. i don't think i can watch this match. murray for sure. rafa is too vulnerable and his pace of the game is too long. murray in straight.

Sophocles
01-24-2010, 03:15 PM
If Murray plays as he did at USO 2008, he'll win in 4.

vamosinator
01-24-2010, 03:26 PM
If Murray plays as he did at USO 2008, he'll win in 4.

Not on this surface (very different to the US Open, plus Nadal was worn out after the olympics back then- and still did pretty well to get up a break in the 4th set). Nadal is a brick wall, and Murray isn't the type of player to break this trend. It was always going to be a go-for-broke type of player that would trouble Nadal and this Murray certainly isn't good enough at going-for-broke (plus he seems to fail in most big matches in slams). Plus their most recent encounters don't demonstrate any edge for Murray (extremely close exhibition match just before 2009 AO, and 2009 Indian Wells Final) :yeah:

scoobs
01-24-2010, 03:37 PM
Rafa in 5 but I think this will be one hell of a scrap.

Sophocles
01-24-2010, 03:46 PM
Not on this surface (very different to the US Open, plus Nadal was worn out after the olympics back then- and still did pretty well to get up a break in the 4th set). Nadal is a brick wall, and Murray isn't the type of player to break this trend. It was always going to be a go-for-broke type of player that would trouble Nadal and this Murray certainly isn't good enough at going-for-broke (plus he seems to fail in most big matches in slams). Plus their most recent encounters don't demonstrate any edge for Murray (extremely close exhibition match just before 2009 AO, and 2009 Indian Wells Final) :yeah:

Nadal has a better chance on this surface, yes, but I still give Murray the edge. He's the better hard-court player & while he isn't a big hitter, it's a myth that only big hitters can trouble Nadal. Players with versatile & aggressive games have scored a fair few victories over him too.

Speed of Light
01-24-2010, 04:05 PM
This is a match between my most favorite player Rafa and my most hated player Muggay. Rafa you just have to win, please, for your fans like me. I wont even care if he goes out next round (which he will not), he just has to beat this mug pusher here. Come on Rafa, we the fans are behind you!
And btw i am really surprised at the number of muggay fans out there judging by the poll results so far... can't believe there are so many people out there with NO TASTE for excellence.

Speed of Light
01-24-2010, 04:10 PM
Nadal has a better chance on this surface, yes, but I still give Murray the edge. He's the better hard-court player & while he isn't a big hitter, it's a myth that only big hitters can trouble Nadal. Players with versatile & aggressive games have scored a fair few victories over him too.

Rafa can never be beaten if he isn't injured... or haven't you noticed?

Commander Data
01-24-2010, 04:26 PM
Rafa can never be beaten if he isn't injured... or haven't you noticed?

This very stupid comment fits with the rest you talk.
Why does Nadal attract so many retards as fanboys that is the puzzler..

Commander Data
01-24-2010, 04:30 PM
It was always going to be a go-for-broke type of player that would trouble Nadal and this Murray certainly isn't good enough at going-for-broke

That could prove to be a valid point. It is true that Nadal usually goes dwon against big hitters. Potro would hav ebeen the most dangerous. But what does it help if you find reasons why Nadal should win :confused:
What matters is not your fantasy arguments but his play in QF.

HKz
01-24-2010, 04:30 PM
While Nadal did defeat Murray the last time they played, I don't think Nadal can take on Murray right now. In IW last year, Nadal was just playing extremely well and Murray was just playing OK, not like the form he showed in Rotterdam/US Open. And right now, Murray is playing very well, and is definitely playing overall a bit better than Nadal. Both players do not have strong second serves yet Nadal gets broken by Karlovic from 1 out of 2 BP chances while Murray didn't even lose a set to better returning Isner.

Should be an extremely interesting and fun match to watch. But if Nadal plays like he did against Philipp/Karlovic in certain situations, I think Murray's consistency is going to prove too solid to dig himself out of the hole. Not to mention, this will be a change of pace compared to Nadal's previous opponents where long rallies were not desired by his opponent.

Personally, I have to go with how they are playing right now, so I have to say Murray in 4.

Rafa can never be beaten if he isn't injured... or haven't you noticed?

So how come he didn't win CYGS in 2006, or at least win a lot more than basically just French Open? Aside from his supposed injury at the Aussie Open that year, he was injury free. Was he also injured when he was beaten in straight sets by Gonzo at the next year's Aussie Open? Stop being a pathetic ignorant bastard and learn to love tennis and not to drool over just one player you pathetic retard.

muchu
01-24-2010, 04:33 PM
I read somewhere that Murray has tactic to beat Rafa. And also he is convinced that he can win against Rafa. Well, let's just wait till Tuesday.

Speed of Light
01-24-2010, 04:38 PM
This very stupid comment fits with the rest you talk.
Why does Nadal attract so many retards as fanboys that is the puzzler..

But what i said is true.Soon enough you will all realize that Rafa is really the best there can be and he CAN NEVER be beaten other than the times when he is injured. The day of reckoning *cough* CYGS for Rafa is coming, non-believers....

madmax
01-24-2010, 04:45 PM
But what i said is true.Soon enough you will all realize that Rafa is really the best there can be and he CAN NEVER be beaten other than the times when he is injured. The day of reckoning *cough* CYGS for Rafa is coming, non-believers....

why aren't you banned yet is a mystery to me...even RafaWOnUsOpen2009 doesn't troll as hard as you do

Arhaych
01-24-2010, 04:46 PM
I see the bitter 'Murray = pusher' brigade are out in force.

Murray won't push in this match, it won't work against Nadal.

I'm actually backing Nadal to win in 5 - don't know if the courts are quick enough to favour Murray.

Speed of Light
01-24-2010, 04:52 PM
why aren't you banned yet is a mystery to me...even RafaWOnUsOpen2009 doesn't troll as hard as you do

And who asked your opinion on this?

MsTree
01-24-2010, 04:52 PM
While Nadal did defeat Murray the last time they played, I don't think Nadal can take on Murray right now. In IW last year, Nadal was just playing extremely well and Murray was just playing OK, not like the form he showed in Rotterdam/US Open. And right now, Murray is playing very well, and is definitely playing overall a bit better than Nadal. Both players do not have strong second serves yet Nadal gets broken by Karlovic from 1 out of 2 BP chances while Murray didn't even lose a set to better returning Isner.

Should be an extremely interesting and fun match to watch. But if Nadal plays like he did against Philipp/Karlovic in certain situations, I think Murray's consistency is going to prove too solid to dig himself out of the hole. Not to mention, this will be a change of pace compared to Nadal's previous opponents where long rallies were not desired by his opponent.

Personally, I have to go with how they are playing right now, so I have to say Murray in 4.



So how come he didn't win CYGS in 2006, or at least win a lot more than basically just French Open? Aside from his supposed injury at the Aussie Open that year, he was injury free. Was he also injured when he was beaten in straight sets by Gonzo at the next year's Aussie Open? Stop being a pathetic ignorant bastard and learn to love tennis and not to drool over just one player you pathetic retard.

Awesome post, nice analysis followed by some much needed abuse. Great stuff :D

MsTree
01-24-2010, 04:53 PM
And who asked your opinion on this?

You asked everyone their opinion by opening this thread. If you can't take what you deal then MTF is not for you, troll.

roberthenman
01-24-2010, 04:54 PM
Andy in 4 :yeah:

latso
01-24-2010, 05:02 PM
Deja vue in USO

if Rafa manages to snatch a set

If Kohlschreiber had 10% of Muzza's tennis inteligence, we would have probably Murray - Karlovic here

Filo V.
01-24-2010, 05:17 PM
If Murray plays as he did at USO 2008, he'll win in 4.

Different surface. Different time of the year.

henke007
01-24-2010, 05:18 PM
Whoever wins it will be a great day for Tennis, You can't ask for more from a Draw!! :)

NadalSharapova
01-24-2010, 06:04 PM
Nadal has a better chance on this surface, yes, but I still give Murray the edge. He's the better hard-court player & while he isn't a big hitter, it's a myth that only big hitters can trouble Nadal. Players with versatile & aggressive games have scored a fair few victories over him too.

just cos murray's fav surface is hardcourt it does not mean he's a better hardcourt player than Nadal. Nadal is better than murray on all surfaces.

NadalSharapova
01-24-2010, 06:09 PM
But i think Murray is one of the smartest players out there,if not the smartest one:shrug:

why has he not been smart enough to win a major yet?

daz45
01-24-2010, 06:16 PM
This match won't be played in 40mph winds.

Nor will Rafa be limping around the court. Rafa all the way at this time of the year, hacking isn't gonna work here.

dark_ambient
01-24-2010, 06:17 PM
Why is this thread not called: WWW: Vamos(2)vs Come on(5)?
I'd go for Come on(5) in 4. :eek:

Matt01
01-24-2010, 07:00 PM
Nadal has a better chance on this surface, yes, but I still give Murray the edge. He's the better hard-court player


LOL...Murray is not a better hardcourt player than Nadal.

Arkulari
01-24-2010, 07:07 PM
Rafa in four :yeah:

tektonac
01-24-2010, 07:07 PM
hope Rafa gets this one and saves the tennis from anti-tennis.

Noleta
01-24-2010, 07:18 PM
why has he not been smart enough to win a major yet?

That's the million dollars question isn't it?:shrug:

NadalSharapova
01-24-2010, 07:25 PM
That's the million dollars question isn't it?:shrug:

not really, very easy question to answer. He simply has not been a good enough player yet. Not in the same league as Nadal/Fed and a class below Djokovic and Del Potro.

born_on_clay
01-24-2010, 08:14 PM
hope Rafa gets this one and saves the tennis from anti-tennis.

affirmative

LaFuria
01-24-2010, 08:18 PM
Mugray in 3.

Ad Wim
01-24-2010, 08:21 PM
Nadal in four. Most people going for Murray, don't know on what that is based.

zlaja777
01-24-2010, 08:26 PM
Nadal in 4 or 5.

crude oil
01-24-2010, 08:36 PM
really tough to say.

andy has the goods to take out nadal based on current form. But after 6 slams and raising his level whenever the big matches arise - time and time again. You have to believe that nadal will take it up another level.

Even if nadal is not offensive in tomorrow's match, his defense will at least take 4 or 5 sets to break down by murray. If nadal starts to find rhythm with fh and bh, then murray is gonna be in trouble. Vice versa - If murray can serve well, he will have an excellent chance of winning because he can put tons of pressure on nadal in his service games.

shot selection is going to be critical for andy murray tomorrow.

scarecrows
01-24-2010, 08:46 PM
Nadal in 4

it'll be an ugly match for sure

l_mac
01-24-2010, 08:51 PM
Because Nadal is known for mixing up his game?

Only in terms of height. Isner was the ore difficult opponent.

Because he's naturally a better hardcourt player than the Nadal. He is the aggressor in their HC matches and they hinge on his winners/UE ratio. It has been the case just about every time they have played on hard, with the exception of the farcical IW match.

Does that mean Murray will win? Of course not. As I said, it's a pick 'em match. There's no guarantee that Murray will execute the way he needs to.

Murray is due a brainfart, so I'll be sticking a few quid on Nadal. This match is on Murray's racket, though. It is his winner/UE ratio that decides these matches with Nadal.

:lol:

So much hate on this thread :hearts:

I won't lie, I want Rafa to win but if he has to lose then better to Andy than anyone else.

Murray in 4.

The eventual winner must come from this match, otherwise I will cry :tears: (could also live with a Kubot victory :rocker2:)

habibko
01-24-2010, 08:55 PM
Nadal in 3 or 4.

malisha
01-24-2010, 09:04 PM
Because he's naturally a better hardcourt player than the Nadal. He is the aggressor in their HC matches and they hinge on his winners/UE ratio. It has been the case just about every time they have played on hard, with the exception of the farcical IW match.

Does that mean Murray will win? Of course not. As I said, it's a pick 'em match. There's no guarantee that Murray will execute the way he needs to.

we all know this mate

but the big question is will he be able to exectue it after 12 sets of retriving pushing tennis?
he cant play like he did in first 4. rounds and just swith the attacking mode on
it doesnt work that way

MrChopin
01-24-2010, 09:13 PM
This thread is chalk full of Jinxertards. I want Murray, so I'll go with Rafa in 4.

selyoink
01-24-2010, 09:17 PM
Whoever wins it will be a great day for Tennis, You can't ask for more from a Draw!! :)

How about neither of these two mugs in the draw?

selyoink
01-24-2010, 09:18 PM
hope Rafa gets this one and saves the tennis from anti-tennis.

Yes because moonballing is the truest form of tennis.

Andi-M
01-24-2010, 09:19 PM
we all know this mate

but the big question is will he be able to exectue it after 12 sets of retriving pushing tennis?
he cant play like he did in first 4. rounds and just swith the attacking mode on
it doesnt work that way

1- The way he played in the first 4 rounds wasn't pushing, it was a mixture of agreessive play, % play, solid defense and Murray magic.

2- Murray has changed his gameplan from match to match many times, he can just switch attacking mode on.

Not saying he'll do it, or it'll work, but Murray has done it before.

habibko
01-24-2010, 09:22 PM
great chance for Murray to prove his worth on a GS level against a worthy opponent, no excuses for him whatsoever if he failed to deliver, Nadal is playing too sharply this year to be bossed around by Murray like he was in USO 2008, and the court is slower and higher bouncing which favors Nadal, can't see it happening for Murray.

DwyaneWade
01-24-2010, 09:42 PM
Sad to say as a Nadal fan but Murray in three :shrug:

I have not yet seen any signs that Nadal is as sharp as people here are saying. He struggled with Luczak and Kohli. The match against Karlovic is not a good indicator of how well he is playing from the baseline, as he could just settle down for what is comfortable for him (heavy crosscourt topspin).

On the other hand Murray looked very good against Isner. He was not super impressive in baseline rallies but I think he will frustrate Nadal with his defense more than vice versa.

Plus, just rewatched the painful USO 2008 match. Nadal was playing better in that match than he has showed thus far in the tournament. Murray is not playing quite at the level he was showing there, but he has still been pretty damn impressive.

Vida
01-24-2010, 09:49 PM
Sad to say as a Nadal fan but Murray in three :shrug:

I have not yet seen any signs that Nadal is as sharp as people here are saying. He struggled with Luczak and Kohli. The match against Karlovic is not a good indicator of how well he is playing from the baseline, as he could just settle down for what is comfortable for him (heavy crosscourt topspin).

On the other hand Murray looked very good against Isner. He was not super impressive in baseline rallies but I think he will frustrate Nadal with his defense more than vice versa.

Plus, just rewatched the painful USO 2008 match. Nadal was playing better in that match than he has showed thus far in the tournament. Murray is not playing quite at the level he was showing there, but he has still been pretty damn impressive.

surface here is way different here than in USO. murray will find it more difficult to handle higher bouncing balls.

rafa is the aggressor in this match- up, its down to him.

habibko
01-24-2010, 09:50 PM
LOL...Murray is not a better hardcourt player than Nadal.

tough call for me, Nadal did win a hard court GS afterall, beating Federer in the process, which Murray failed to do when given the chance, however Murray is generally a more successful player on hard courts.

I'll give the edge to the winner of this match.

zagro
01-24-2010, 10:01 PM
Heart says Nadal in 5. Head says given current form most likely Murray in 4

daz45
01-24-2010, 10:03 PM
How about neither of these two mugs in the draw?

Yeah world no2 vs world no 4, yeah total mugs:rolleyes:

DwyaneWade
01-24-2010, 10:11 PM
surface here is way different here than in USO. murray will find it more difficult to handle higher bouncing balls.

rafa is the aggressor in this match- up, its down to him.

He is 6 foot 3 inches. I doubt he will have problems with the higher bouncing balls. Right in his strike zone.

Nadal has to be aggressive consistently, something that has disappeared since clay court season a year ago.

tough call for me, Nadal did win a hard court GS afterall, beating Federer in the process, which Murray failed to do when given the chance, however Murray is generally a more successful player on hard courts.

I'll give the edge to the winner of this match.

Nadal is the much more accomplished hard court player. Better? Murray is probably better. The matchup favors him big-time.

But put it this way: if your life depended on winning a best of five hardcourt match who would you pick? Nadal over Murray easily.

Sean
01-24-2010, 10:15 PM
The Scot Should Smoke the Spaniard in Straights.

habibko
01-24-2010, 10:20 PM
Nadal is the much more accomplished hard court player. Better? Murray is probably better. The matchup favors him big-time.

But put it this way: if your life depended on winning a best of five hardcourt match who would you pick? Nadal over Murray easily.

this is because Nadal is tougher to beat in a best of 5 sets match in general, which is due to other reasons like his resilience, stamina and mental toughness, not because he plays better hard court tennis.

but yes I'd favor Nadal in this match-up on this particular surface, Murray won't find it easy to blast winners past Nadal here.

Luinir
01-24-2010, 10:43 PM
6-0 6-0 6-0 Nadal

tea
01-24-2010, 10:47 PM
Tennis will win. Tennis is Murray.

Clydey
01-24-2010, 10:54 PM
surface here is way different here than in USO. murray will find it more difficult to handle higher bouncing balls.

rafa is the aggressor in this match- up, its down to him.


Rafa has never been the aggressor in this matchup. It's Murray who takes the initiative. Even he can't grind with Nadal and expect to win.

Corswandt
01-24-2010, 11:16 PM
Rafito in str8ts.

mseles1
01-24-2010, 11:22 PM
Murray's current form is being blown outta all proportion. The man lost to Robredo a few weeks ago, cake walk draw so far, tired Isner 4th round could of been difficult but alas... He's won two matches against Nadal, one where Nadal was injured and the other Rafa was dead on his feet. Murray in straight sets?

DwyaneWade
01-24-2010, 11:38 PM
this is because Nadal is tougher to beat in a best of 5 sets match in general, which is due to other reasons like his resilience, stamina and mental toughness, not because he plays better hard court tennis.

but yes I'd favor Nadal in this match-up on this particular surface, Murray won't find it easy to blast winners past Nadal here.

See this is where we get to definition problems. What do you mean by better? Better aesthetically? Better on paper? Better without intangibles? Then sure, Murray is easily the 'better' hard-court player.

You cannot separate the above from the player. Thus I would argue that Nadal is the 'better' hardcourt player, speaking of best-of-five matches (which are honestly the only ones that really count in a historical context)

As for the matchup I meant that Murray has the matchup advantage here and is in better form. I would be pleasantly surprised (and at the same time objectively disappointed by Murray as a tennis fan in general) if Nadal wins.

rocketassist
01-24-2010, 11:38 PM
Whoever thinks Nadal is the aggressor in this match-up should find another sport to 'observe'

MalwareDie
01-24-2010, 11:40 PM
Ditto.

DwyaneWade
01-24-2010, 11:40 PM
Whoever thinks Nadal is the aggressor in this match-up should find another sport to 'observe'

Murray is definitely the aggressor in this matchup.

However, watching Murray dink and dunk against Isner yesterday...could not help but think Nadal is the much more aggressive player match to match (as passive as he can be that's saying a lot!)

cocrcici
01-24-2010, 11:46 PM
Murray in 5:lick:

Vida
01-24-2010, 11:58 PM
the h2h says it all really. its been close here and there, but its nadal who calls the shots against most guys, including murray. what rafa has that andy does not have, is the ability to 'push' an opponent behind the baseline into defensive position. thats what I mean when I say 'aggressor', and thats exactly what nadal said yesterday he plans to do against murray. will he succeed? who knows...

and yes the surface matters. this concrete works in nadals favor more than the USO fast court. ball bounces higher and further, thus making powerful spin forehands (guess who's got those in this match-up) more effective. inch by inch, the more defensive player (murray) is being pushed further and further away.

Clydey
01-25-2010, 12:03 AM
the h2h says it all really. its been close here and there, but its nadal who calls the shots against most guys, including murray. what rafa has that andy does not have, is the ability to 'push' an opponent behind the baseline into defensive position. thats what I mean when I say 'aggressor', and thats exactly what nadal said yesterday he plans to do against murray. will he succeed? who knows...

and yes the surface matters. this concrete works in nadals favor more than the USO fast court. ball bounces higher and further, thus making powerful spin forehands (guess who's got those in this match-up) more effective. inch by inch, the more defensive player (murray) is being pushed further and further away.

Nadal has literally never done that to Murray on a hardcourt. The only time he has done that to Murray was the 2008 Wimbledon demolition job.

You have to remember that 5 of those wins came before Murray had won his first MS title. I'm not saying that it means Murray will win, but the H2H is misleading.

Vida
01-25-2010, 12:05 AM
He is 6 foot 3 inches. I doubt he will have problems with the higher bouncing balls. Right in his strike zone.

Nadal has to be aggressive consistently, something that has disappeared since clay court season a year ago.

Nadal is the much more accomplished hard court player. Better? Murray is probably better. The matchup favors him big-time.

But put it this way: if your life depended on winning a best of five hardcourt match who would you pick? Nadal over Murray easily.

virtually nothing but smoke points to murray being 'probably better' player than nadal on hard courts.

its kind of weird, but people tend to see nadal as a clay court player and than neglect his game on other surfaces...

that's been made more even last years, not such a huge difference anymore.

besides, how long are we to imply andy is a head case who's got all the talent in the world but hasnt got the stones to take the prize...

its the joke press people are reading too much into.

Vida
01-25-2010, 12:05 AM
clydey, murray hasnt improved that much.

bizzle
01-25-2010, 12:06 AM
Based on current form, Murray in 4. Anything could happen though.

DwyaneWade
01-25-2010, 12:09 AM
virtually nothing but smoke points to murray being 'probably better' player than nadal on hard courts.

its kind of weird, but people tend to see nadal as a clay court player and than neglect his game on other surfaces...

that's been made more even last years, not such a huge difference anymore.

besides, how long are we to imply andy is a head case who's got all the talent in the world but hasnt got the stones to take the prize...

its the joke press people are reading too much into.

By no means is Nadal a clay court player. Winning slams on all surfaces that destroyed that myth.

But Murray's game simply put is a nightmare on hardcourts IF he uses it properly. It is more than being a headcase, it is a question of him not being strategically smart in his approach in big matches (Verdasco AO 09, Cilic USO 09, and of course the worst example, Roddick Wimbleon 09)

RagingLamb
01-25-2010, 12:12 AM
I have to give a slight edge to Murray. I don't think Rafa has found his range yet, and from what I've seen from Murray, he's playing as well as he's ever played.

Vida
01-25-2010, 12:21 AM
By no means is Nadal a clay court player. Winning slams on all surfaces that destroyed that myth.

But Murray's game simply put is a nightmare on hardcourts IF he uses it properly. It is more than being a headcase, it is a question of him not being strategically smart in his approach in big matches (Verdasco AO 09, Cilic USO 09, and of course the worst example, Roddick Wimbleon 09)

I completely disagree with this perspective.

main strength murray has - people say - is tactics! 'he is very smart and knows how to use various types of shots to lure a player into making errors' - you can read all about it. so how come he failed to use his main strength on those particular occasions, when - if everything else fails, serve, strokes - he should use his weapon?

besides, insnt 'not being strategically smart in his approach in big matches' a bit too narrow of definition of a pretty firm streak of GS losses? I mean how come it only happens in big matches? were it not perhaps something to do with another guy across the net, rather than an abstract 'big occasion' which made murray freeze?

the way I see it, murray is pretty damn good at what he does, and more or less damn consistent. it comes with the type. you are more likely to make an error if you go for broke, which andy isnt doing a lot. it was just the case, those guys played better, more aggressive tennis than him, took his time, and took the match. :shrug:

connectolove
01-25-2010, 12:36 AM
Who knows... truly. This ne is hard. Murray has beaten Nadal before eaasy. My heart goes with Nadal, but I wouold not bet any money.

Matt01
01-25-2010, 12:37 AM
tough call for me, Nadal did win a hard court GS afterall, beating Federer in the process, which Murray failed to do when given the chance, however Murray is generally a more successful player on hard courts.

I'll give the edge to the winner of this match.


It's not a tough call for me.

Nadal won his 1 HC Slam final (by beating GOAT), Murray lost his.
Both players have won Masters tourneys on HC but Rafa won the Olympics on that surface, too. So it's Nadal all the way.

vamosinator
01-25-2010, 12:47 AM
Whoever thinks Nadal is the aggressor in this match-up should find another sport to 'observe'

We'll analyze this post after the match :yeah:

McAlistar
01-25-2010, 12:49 AM
Who cares about what they have done in the past. The match is played on the day, Murray can hit hard and flat on his serve and groundstrokes, Rafa cant. I think Murray takes this in 4.

vamosinator
01-25-2010, 12:53 AM
Well, in 2008 Nadal made the semis of AO, won RG, won Wimbledon, won a Gold Medal at the Olympics, and THEN played the US Open. In the US Open semis Nadal lost a close tie-breaker and then in the 4th set was up a break before Murray came back and won. I don't see anything easy about that match, and certainly not convincing to beat Nadal at that point when he was ridden with tendinitis and would go on to take a couple of months off before the 2009 Australian Open. Of course, the US Open is Nadal's worst surface, which should also be taken into account. There is no intellectual reason to call Murray the favorite. Either Nadal wins in straight sets (ala Indian Wells 09) or its a close match with Nadal winning because he is mentally a lot stronger :yeah:

McAlistar
01-25-2010, 01:00 AM
Nobody is disputing who has a better hardcourt record. But Rafa has been at the top of the game since 2005, Murray only since 2008 so theres bound to be a disparity in terms of whos won what. What cannot be overlooked though is the fact Murray is playing better than Nadal at the moment, Rafa is also making alot more unforced errors than normal despite just looping it up the middle half the time. No doubt both will raise their games, but if Murray can serve about 60% he definetely takes this for me. Having said that its completely 50/50.

Nolby
01-25-2010, 01:21 AM
Muzza if finally going to lose a set. :eek: He will take the match though in 4 sets.

Art&Soul
01-25-2010, 01:27 AM
Muggay will win then bye bye to Nadull :bigwave:

McAlistar
01-25-2010, 01:30 AM
A bit off topic here but i found a link to a BBC thread in 2007 saying Murray hit a fastest serve of 145mph. Can this be correct? because hes officially recorded at 3 times being 138mph as his fastest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6300819.stm

rocketassist
01-25-2010, 01:39 AM
the h2h says it all really. its been close here and there, but its nadal who calls the shots against most guys, including murray. what rafa has that andy does not have, is the ability to 'push' an opponent behind the baseline into defensive position. thats what I mean when I say 'aggressor', and thats exactly what nadal said yesterday he plans to do against murray. will he succeed? who knows...

and yes the surface matters. this concrete works in nadals favor more than the USO fast court. ball bounces higher and further, thus making powerful spin forehands (guess who's got those in this match-up) more effective. inch by inch, the more defensive player (murray) is being pushed further and further away.

You haven't watched their past matches. Basically Murray is the attacker and hits hard and flat. It's easier to do this against Nadal cause Nadal's topspin loops into a perfect 'hitting zone' for Murray to crack them. Why do you think both his and Djokovic play their most explosive tennis against the Spaniard? See Del Robot as well.

If Murray hits the winners and does what he did at the USO, he will win. Hard courts are still flat. For example Nadal beat Tsonga in NY, and got creamed in Melbourne, it's slower but it's still a flat surface.

That said if Murray makes the errors and doesn't play a spot on aggression match, he doesn't go through. But he's done it twice in hard court slams, winning one and should have won the other but for Nadal's clutchness on bps (was 3/17 in their 2007 contest)

Ibracadabra
01-25-2010, 01:49 AM
I want to say nadal but it's too close to call with any real confidence

Vida
01-25-2010, 02:02 AM
You haven't watched their past matches. Basically Murray is the attacker and hits hard and flat. It's easier to do this against Nadal cause Nadal's topspin loops into a perfect 'hitting zone' for Murray to crack them. Why do you think both his and Djokovic play their most explosive tennis against the Spaniard? See Del Robot as well.

If Murray hits the winners and does what he did at the USO, he will win. Hard courts are still flat. For example Nadal beat Tsonga in NY, and got creamed in Melbourne, it's slower but it's still a flat surface.

That said if Murray makes the errors and doesn't play a spot on aggression match, he doesn't go through. But he's done it twice in hard court slams, winning one and should have won the other but for Nadal's clutchness on bps (was 3/17 in their 2007 contest)


poor bp conversion vs nadal is nothing new happens to a lot of players. nor is the 2hbh thing guys have a gainst him... old news. what you got wrong here is the 'aggression' part and the USO game (only one of their matches I didnt watch btw). murray aint the one its about here its nadal. if it were murray - than nadal would end up like he did against tsonga two years ago (talk about being aggressive and hitting winners), not a slug fest which one he won, the other - on a much faster court and at the season end when he's at his weakest - he lost.

what youre neglecting is the type of game nadal plays. he overpowers players, pushes them away. hes been doing that to federer takind advantage of his poor bh side, djokovics weak mentality, and murrays lack of ability to 'push' him back. in relative terms ofcourse. the type of surface, form, injuries and part of the year are just parts of the equasion which basically does not change. Im telling you this one is down to nadal more than murray. if rafa ups his game to, say, something near last years ao, he has bigger chances to take this. Im not sure will he be able, but partly out of sentiment I have him in five sets.

Jimnik
01-25-2010, 02:06 AM
Can't wait. :drool:

Love being a neutral in matches like these.

vamosinator
01-25-2010, 02:49 AM
Nobody is disputing who has a better hardcourt record. But Rafa has been at the top of the game since 2005, Murray only since 2008 so theres bound to be a disparity in terms of whos won what. What cannot be overlooked though is the fact Murray is playing better than Nadal at the moment, Rafa is also making alot more unforced errors than normal despite just looping it up the middle half the time. No doubt both will raise their games, but if Murray can serve about 60% he definetely takes this for me. Having said that its completely 50/50.

Except, Murray has looked better than Nadal in almost every slam for the last 2 years, until Murray loses. Murray is a genius at thrashing bums, but he loses abruptly straight after (often to nobody special) :D

vamosinator
01-25-2010, 02:51 AM
Muggay will win then bye bye to Nadull :bigwave:

You say that because if Murray doesn't wave bye bye to Nadal then Nadal will wave bye bye to Federer. Thats understandable :o

abraxas21
01-25-2010, 02:57 AM
You say that because if Murray doesn't wave bye bye to Nadal then Nadal will wave bye bye to Federer. Thats understandable :o

or maybe because he truly thinks that murray is playing well enough to out-push nadull?

Clydey
01-25-2010, 07:44 AM
Schedule out. This is the first night match on Laver.

l_mac
01-25-2010, 07:48 AM
Schedule out. This is the first night match on Laver.

Expected. And that means I'll see none of it unless I pull a sickie.

Probably for the best.

Clydey
01-25-2010, 07:53 AM
Expected. And that means I'll see none of it unless I pull a sickie.

Probably for the best.

No, I think you'll want to see this match. You'll be happy with the outcome.

Counter-jinxing you.

l_mac
01-25-2010, 07:58 AM
No, I think you'll want to see this match. You'll be happy with the outcome.

Counter-jinxing you.

I meant because I find it very hard to watch two guys I like playing each other. I don't really enjoy it.

.-Federers_Mate-.
01-25-2010, 08:01 AM
Murray will put on a show stopping performance against Rafa 6-2 6-4 6-4 and will become the favourite

gusavo
01-25-2010, 08:10 AM
Not seeing the upset happening. Murray looks like a dud this year so far. Rafa is a warrior and healthy right now. Rafa in 4.
what upset?

Won't need to. Not vs. Murray at least.

Don't tell me you're stooping to this.
lol

to what? that match was a thousand times more a match than the hurricane match they last played. in fact its worth pretty much as much as a real match.

Which was how long ago? How much has changed?

What makes you think Murray will win this?
well, murray has improved a ton of course and nadal seems so be back to a decent level again after a dip.

probably the fact that hes a favourite makes people think he will win this, or what do you think?

vamosinator
01-25-2010, 08:23 AM
Murray has gotten worse since the start of 2009, I saw him in Wimbledon semis and the US Open, was pathetic :yeah:

gusavo
01-25-2010, 10:22 AM
LOL...Murray is not a better hardcourt player than Nadal.

LOL. checkkkkk the odds...

not really, very easy question to answer. He simply has not been a good enough player yet. Not in the same league as Nadal/Fed and a class below Djokovic and Del Potro.
its a very easy question to answer. bad variance. Costa, Gaudio, Roddick better player than murray?
those two are not better

There is no intellectual reason to call Murray the favorite. Either Nadal wins in straight sets (ala Indian Wells 09) or its a close match with Nadal winning because he is mentally a lot stronger :yeah:
except that there is reason, and that he is the favourite. apparently you have got your facts all wrong. suffering from big bias.

so how big of a favourite do you think nad is?

Har-Tru
01-25-2010, 10:26 AM
Me thinks Nadal.

Clydey
01-25-2010, 10:27 AM
Me thinks Nadal.

That's enough out of you, Rafatard.

Har-Tru
01-25-2010, 10:30 AM
That's enough out of you, Rafatard.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LhJNjKgiDG8/R_UB3pSkkSI/AAAAAAAAALQ/AQyuHIbbkio/s400/t1ostrich_funny_face.jpg

Clydey
01-25-2010, 10:33 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LhJNjKgiDG8/R_UB3pSkkSI/AAAAAAAAALQ/AQyuHIbbkio/s400/t1ostrich_funny_face.jpg

Touché.

ossie
01-25-2010, 10:33 AM
nadal in 4 close sets

philosophicalarf
01-25-2010, 10:43 AM
A bit off topic here but i found a link to a BBC thread in 2007 saying Murray hit a fastest serve of 145mph. Can this be correct? because hes officially recorded at 3 times being 138mph as his fastest.


I remember seeing 139mph a few times. Don't remember 140+, and 145 seems totally implausible.

saniapower
01-25-2010, 11:05 AM
Murray in four

Nole fan
01-25-2010, 11:41 AM
Wow, that is really a dream match! If Nole can't win the AO, then I root for Rafa or Muzza. But I think this time Murray won't fail. I say Muzza in 5 (Nadal is a fighter so you know).

swebright
01-25-2010, 12:31 PM
Murray has no chance. He is missing the heart.

vamosinator
01-25-2010, 01:13 PM
Nadal will FIST PUMP after every 2nd point in this match, what a great fun match this will be :yeah:

TheWall
01-25-2010, 01:17 PM
Nadal will FIST PUMP after every 2nd point in this match, what a great fun match this will be :yeah:

And then you woke up and Murray had won in 4.

paseo
01-25-2010, 01:25 PM
Okay, to all the Nadal fans : Is Nadal healhty? Does he has any injury at all? If Nadal loses this, would you all accept his defeat without any excuses?

Speed of Light
01-25-2010, 02:12 PM
Okay, to all the Nadal fans : Is Nadal healhty? Does he has any injury at all? If Nadal loses this, would you all accept his defeat without any excuses?

Rafa is not 100%
yet i guarantee you,he will not loose to this mug.
And last part of the question is not valid as Rafa without injuries cannot be beaten...

Clydey
01-25-2010, 02:18 PM
Rafa is not 100%
yet i guarantee you,he will not loose to this mug.
And last part of the question is not valid as Rafa without injuries cannot be beaten...

What's wrong with him?

Bilbo
01-25-2010, 02:21 PM
R. Nadal

Sophocles
01-25-2010, 02:22 PM
What's wrong with him?

He's got a swarm of Internet trolls burrowing into his arsehole. That's why he's always picking.

«Ivan»
01-25-2010, 02:37 PM
i'd love rafa in 3 easy.can't stand andy's c'mons on ue's.the rudest player ever.

Vida
01-25-2010, 02:38 PM
nadal appears fine physically, doubt anything is bothering him in that sense. mentally dont think he is up there with his confidence.

Diprosalic
01-25-2010, 02:38 PM
for the first time in history im going to root for murray.

chalkdust
01-25-2010, 03:26 PM
I agree with whoever said way back in the thread that this is on Murray's racket. The thing is, I think Andy knows this and, at this point in his career, I'm not sure he can handle that sort of pressure in a five-set Slam QF. It's not that he's a choker or anything but pressure still takes a toll on everyone and I just feel it's easier for Rafa because he has much less to prove at this point.

On the other hand, I really don't know whether Rafa is physically as strong as he has been and there must be question-marks given his lack of recent form/titles. My hunch would be that we may see him return to near the top of his game starting now but I have no actual information to back this up.

So, as much as I'd love to see Andy win this, by reprising his style in AO 2007 but with more staying power, I'm going to say Rafa in 4. If it goes to five sets, I would actually favour Andy because I think at that point he will have gone through his ups-and-downs and just be more mentally focused on playing the ball in front of him rather than getting tense or bored.

I just hope Andy plays well for the sake of the match as a spectacle - and may the best man win!

brithater
01-25-2010, 03:35 PM
Do people here really think Andy is mentally strong enough to beat defending champion Rafa Nadal in a Best of 5 match on Rebound Ace? This aint the US Open and Rafa aint hurt. This would be a monumental Upset.

You guys are acting like this is a best 2 out of 3 set match.

Macbrother
01-25-2010, 03:40 PM
Still don't know where I stand on this one. Technically Murray can defeat Nadal, obviously, but it's harder to push him off the court on this surface and I just have a feeling Nadal is going to raise his level when it matters and take the important points.

Aenea
01-25-2010, 03:40 PM
Do people here really think Andy is mentally strong enough to beat defending champion Rafa Nadal in a Best of 5 match on Rebound Ace? This aint the US Open and Rafa aint hurt. This would be a monumental Upset.

You guys are acting like this is a best 2 out of 3 set match.

Plexicushion, mate. Since 2008 Rebound Ace has been replaced with Plexicushion Prestige.

rocketassist
01-25-2010, 03:44 PM
'Rafa' wasn't even hurt at the US Open 2008 you dumb ****s.

brithater
01-25-2010, 03:44 PM
Plexicushion, mate. Since 2008 Rebound Ace has been replaced with Plexicushion Prestige.

Oh yeah thats right.

miura
01-25-2010, 03:48 PM
Nadal if 4 tight sets. Murray doesn't have the balls to knock out Rafa.

brithater
01-25-2010, 03:53 PM
Lets look at this more because I think some things should be pointed out...

Murray has to go way out of his comfort level to beat Nadal as all the tactics go against his natural counter punching game. Nadal has to .....well....be Nadal. So right off the bat has the odds against him. Nadal has the mental edge. Nadal has the surface edge. Nadal has the edge in Movement. Nadal has the edge in fitness. Nadal is also better at makeing adjustments in game plan mid match. Yet he is being touted as the favorite? Nadal has head to head record advantage. People hear are on Crack.

This kind of overhyped pressure, and stagnant developmental progession (in fact regression) is why Andy is not winning majors.

abraxas21
01-25-2010, 03:54 PM
Still don't know where I stand on this one. Technically Murray can defeat Nadal, obviously, but it's harder to push him off the court on this surface and I just have a feeling Nadal is going to raise his level when it matters and take the important points.

IMO, it's going to be one hell of a tough match for both but i think murray will take a slight advantage. I think Murray will win in 4 hard fought sets. If it gets to 5, odds might be in Nadal's favour, though.

rocketassist
01-25-2010, 04:02 PM
Lets look at this more because I think some things should be pointed out...

Murray has to go way out of his comfort level to beat Nadal as all the tactics go against his natural counter punching game. Nadal has to .....well....be Nadal. So right off the bat has the odds against him. Nadal has the mental edge. Nadal has the surface edge. Nadal has the edge in Movement. Nadal has the edge in fitness. Nadal is also better at makeing adjustments in game plan mid match. Yet he is being touted as the favorite? Nadal has head to head record advantage. People hear are on Crack.

This kind of overhyped pressure, and stagnant developmental progession (in fact regression) is why Andy is not winning majors.

No.

Logical
01-25-2010, 04:04 PM
El Matador in 3 sets. Vamos!

kaylee
01-25-2010, 04:05 PM
Hmmm I still give the slight edge to Rafa - that match against Karlovic wasn't easy and Rafa is getting match tough. Andy has not had to work hard yet but either way I can't wait - will be biting the nails. I hope it lives up to the hype tho.

habibko
01-25-2010, 04:22 PM
Do people here really think Andy is mentally strong enough to beat defending champion Rafa Nadal in a Best of 5 match on Rebound Ace? This aint the US Open and Rafa aint hurt. This would be a monumental Upset.

You guys are acting like this is a best 2 out of 3 set match.

Murray is the favorite according to the bookies, which is plain ridiculous IMO.

gulzhan
01-25-2010, 04:28 PM
Rafito has zero chances.

Logical
01-25-2010, 04:31 PM
Rafito has zero chances.

Muggay is finished. He has no chance. He had cake draw until now.

brithater
01-25-2010, 04:38 PM
No.

back it up with some reasoning fanboy or your mute.

brithater
01-25-2010, 04:39 PM
Murray is the favorite according to the bookies, which is plain ridiculous IMO.

Whats the odds?

pica_pica
01-25-2010, 04:49 PM
Rafa in 5 ;)
Vamos Rafa :rocker:

Aenea
01-25-2010, 04:58 PM
back it up with some reasoning fanboy or your mute.

Maybe because Plexicushion is very similar to Deco Turf which is used at USOpen or at least that is what I read about the new AO surface.

Rafa@2, Murray@1.72 - bet365

NadalSharapova
01-25-2010, 05:05 PM
6 time grand slam champ and defending champ VS the zero slam unproven chump. To get odds of just over even money is an absolute gift. Probably the best "value" bet of all time whether it comes of or not.

brithater
01-25-2010, 05:08 PM
Maybe because Plexicushion is very similar to Deco Turf which is used at USOpen or at least that is what I read about the new AO surface.

Rafa@2, Murray@1.72 - bet365


Nah, these courts are waaaaay slower than the open. Us Open courts are glass

Andi-M
01-25-2010, 05:10 PM
Murray is the favorite according to the bookies, which is plain ridiculous IMO.

Why? Many people see it as a close 50:50 Murray started with further odds, and people felt that it worth a bet on him, now his odds have shortened more people will put more money on Nadal. It is by no means a very strong or accurate indicator of who the favorite really is.

angry1
01-25-2010, 05:20 PM
6 time grand slam champ and defending champ VS the zero slam unproven chump. To get odds of just over even money is an absolute gift. Probably the best "value" bet of all time whether it comes of or not.

I'm pleased to see Andy isn't considered a proven chump,even by one of his most enthusiastic bashers.

3c273
01-25-2010, 05:21 PM
Lets look at this more because I think some things should be pointed out...

Murray has to go way out of his comfort level to beat Nadal as all the tactics go against his natural counter punching game. Nadal has to .....well....be Nadal. So right off the bat has the odds against him. Nadal has the mental edge. Nadal has the surface edge. Nadal has the edge in Movement. Nadal has the edge in fitness. Nadal is also better at makeing adjustments in game plan mid match. Yet he is being touted as the favorite? Nadal has head to head record advantage. People hear are on Crack.

This kind of overhyped pressure, and stagnant developmental progession (in fact regression) is why Andy is not winning majors.

Murray will show up with a spectacular attacking tennis against Rafa , like he did in 2007 AO and 2008 USO, it's within his comfort zone.

Rafa's mental power faded while Murray's mental power inmproved , in fact I don't know whose is stronger at this time.

This surface is only not as bad as USO surface for Rafa , but certainly is not his favorite, while Murray like this surface.

At this particular time , Andy is fitter and stronger than Nadal ,and moving better than Nadal, actually , Murray is the best mover right now on tour if not better than the 2008' Nadal.

brithater
01-25-2010, 05:27 PM
At this particular time , Andy is fitter and stronger than Nadal ,and moving better than Nadal, actually , Murray is the best mover right now on tour if not better than the 2008' Nadal.

:haha::haha::haha: People saying it enough times just does not make it true

NadalSharapova
01-25-2010, 05:31 PM
Murray will show up with a spectacular attacking tennis against Rafa , like he did in 2007 AO and 2008 USO, it's within his comfort zone.

Rafa's mental power faded while Murray's mental power inmproved , in fact I don't know whose is stronger at this time.

This surface is only not as bad as USO surface for Rafa , but certainly is not his favorite, while Murray like this surface.

At this particular time , Andy is fitter and stronger than Nadal ,and moving better than Nadal, actually , Murray is the best mover right now on tour if not better than the 2008' Nadal.

If he's so good why has he never won anything?

angry1
01-25-2010, 05:39 PM
If he's so good why has he never won anything?

He's won masters series titles and British player of the year awards.

Also "at this particular time" might just mean during this tournament in which he's won every set.

Vida
01-25-2010, 05:45 PM
He's won masters series titles and British player of the year awards.

Also "at this particular time" might just mean during this tournament in which he's won every set.

he's also had incredibly easy draw till qf.

brithater
01-25-2010, 05:49 PM
He's won masters series titles and British player of the year awards.

Also "at this particular time" might just mean during this tournament in which he's won every set.


Could also mean that Rafa is sleeping and Andy is taking a piss.

angry1
01-25-2010, 05:52 PM
he's also had incredibly easy draw till qf.

I know he has had a good draw I was just saying you could at a stretch argue by defining "at this particular time" ludicrously narrowly that he's much closer to having won everything than nothing.

An equally daft suggestion as the one that Murray's won nothing IMO

angry1
01-25-2010, 05:54 PM
Could also mean that Rafa is sleeping and Andy is taking a piss.

In that scenario who is showing more mental toughness?

phelbyn
01-25-2010, 06:03 PM
Lets go Murray! I say Murray in 5

Alley-oop
01-25-2010, 06:08 PM
Nadal in 5

Lugburz
01-25-2010, 06:08 PM
let's hope Murrayová will beat Nadalová...