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The Art of Not Going Away: Who's Best?

SheepleBuster
01-20-2010, 02:40 PM
After watching Delpo beat Federer, Nadal, and last night Blake, I am starting to believe that this guy just can't be put away that easily. He out-Nadaled Nadal in that department a year ago (in a match that Nadal called tragic). Don't want to read too much into Delpo's performance, but every-time a top player gets a break on him in a decisive set, he breaks immediately or makes a comeback. Is he better than Nadal in the art of not going away? Discuss. Who's the best in your opinion.

Sophocles
01-20-2010, 02:41 PM
Jimmy Connors.

Certinfy
01-20-2010, 02:50 PM
At this rate Del Potro would be the best in a few years time :o

A_Skywalker
01-20-2010, 02:57 PM
Del Potro is not so mentaly strong. He has a weapon that works always for saving bps and match points- his serve.
When you have great serve its easy to save those, while in play everything can happen.

Voo de Mar
01-20-2010, 03:01 PM
Del Potro is not so mentaly strong. He has a weapon that works always for saving bps and match points- his serve.
When you have great serve its easy to save those, while in play everything can happen.

His serve helped him a couple times but to beat Federer at last year's US Open he had to escape from 3-6 4:5 (0-30) on Federer's serve.
The serve helped him in final tie-break against Nadal in Miami '09 but to play that tie-break he had to overcome a deficit of two breaks against a guy who usually doesn't lose a set being only one break ahead.
Facts.

SheepleBuster
01-20-2010, 03:03 PM
Isn't it funny how Delpo comes with that ace or shot on break points? He is making those shots way too often. And even on second serves, his big ones always go in. I can say it's just luck but it's more to courage and skill. He was down 2-0 to Blake in that final set and still pulled it off. He almost pulled off the upset at the French against Roger. Remember he broke Roger back in that fifth set before losing?

madmax
01-20-2010, 03:03 PM
Pony is the clutchiest cookie out there these days - a FACT:bowdown:

River
01-20-2010, 03:29 PM
Brad Gilbert xDDD Annoying little...

tennishero
01-20-2010, 03:33 PM
Del Potro is not so mentaly strong. He has a weapon that works always for saving bps and match points- his serve.
When you have great serve its easy to save those, while in play everything can happen.

he brings his best serve at the most crucial moments when its now or never.
for example the final in washington last year against roddick, in the last set tie break he hit around 4/5 aces, whereas he'd hit around the same in the rest of the set. im not sure about the exact figure so this is just a rough estimate. voo should know this tho :)

anyway, if u had any logic you would see this shows hes incredibly strong mentally, and probably mentally toughest player atm.

other examples:
- double faulting twice in the US open finals against federer to hand him the set, yet carrying on and winning the match.
- breaking federer at the last oportunity possible to get through to the finals at the WTF in london.
- being down 0-3, two breaks of serves against nadal in Miami in the final set, and winning the match in a tie-break.

you get the picture.

Bagelicious
01-20-2010, 05:10 PM
RafawonCYGS.

tennizen
01-20-2010, 05:48 PM
RafawonCYGS.

:worship:

Voo de Mar
01-20-2010, 06:08 PM
for example the final in washington last year against roddick, in the last set tie break he hit around 4/5 aces, whereas he'd hit around the same in the rest of the set. im not sure about the exact figure so this is just a rough estimate. voo should know this tho :)


Served 5 aces in that tie-break :)

General Suburbia
01-20-2010, 06:18 PM
Santoro.

tennisfan856
01-20-2010, 06:35 PM
Probably Karlovic. If you're going to beat him, you have to earn it.

philosophicalarf
01-20-2010, 07:31 PM
Probably Karlovic. If you're going to beat him, you have to earn it.

Just hold serve, and he'll fold in the tiebreak :-)

alter ego
01-20-2010, 09:23 PM
other examples:
- double faulting twice in the US open finals against federer to hand him the set, yet carrying on and winning the match.
- breaking federer at the last oportunity possible to get through to the finals at the WTF in london.
- being down 0-3, two breaks of serves against nadal in Miami in the final set, and winning the match in a tie-break.

you get the picture.


1. The US Open final is a very bad example. After the first set, Federer's level droped while Del Potro was playing better and better. He should have taken it in 4. The 3rd set was a complete choke. Del Potro was 4-2 up and had a chance to go 5-2 with 2 breaks. He chocked, played like mug and lost the set 4-6 whith 2 consecutive double faults.Then he actually got lucky in the 4th, Federer was 2 points away from the title at 6-5 and 15-30. Had Federer rised his game as he usually does in those situation he would have won even tough Del Potro played better through the match.

2. What you said about the London match was also wrong. Del Potro said that he didn't know if he was through or not after the match ended.

MatchFederer
01-20-2010, 09:26 PM
German boxers.

***

From this generation, probably Nadal.

abraxas21
01-20-2010, 09:44 PM
Del Potro is a unidimensional player who happens to be extremly good at what he does: smacking the ball hard from the baseline. He can do it on both wings with little problems. If to this we add his big serve and his strong determination and clutch-ness, we have a very tough cookie to crack.

Even though Del Potro is faaaar from being a favourite of mine, I expect him to get to the number 1 position next year. The guy is only 21 years and when you think on how much more he can improve, it gets pretty damn scary.

Certinfy
01-20-2010, 09:49 PM
Del Potro's serve helped him at key moments as well, it saved a BP in the 2nd set which would have meant he would of gone down a set and a double break. He saved 2 Break Points in his 1st service game of the 4th using his serve pretty wisely, had he got broken Federer could of taken complete control of the match. And finally it kinda saved him in the 5th when he was facing a break back point for Federer.

Knightmace
01-20-2010, 10:16 PM
Federer is actually the best in this department he has never retired from a match ever while Del Potro has ten times already and even when Federer is injuired he keeps playing. He also never loses in straight sets (except to Davydenko) and usally doesn't lose sets very easily e.g. -6,2-6 etc1

SheepleBuster
01-21-2010, 12:20 AM
Del po's transformation is stunning to me. After Fed demolished him here last year, I really thought he had no shot at catching Roger anytime soon. Then Paris happened. I thought well, Fed won and Del Po was playing out of his mind. Then U.S. Open happened. Then London happened. And lets not forget about Cilic vs. Delpo. Cilic was cleaning his clock before Delpo suddenly turned it around.