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Montego
11-27-2009, 08:07 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-bk-tiger-woods-accident,0,1369881.story

anyone knows more ?

Dini
11-27-2009, 08:10 PM
:eek: :sad:

Sunset of Age
11-27-2009, 08:10 PM
Just read about that... hope it's not too serious! :o

Midnight Ninja
11-27-2009, 08:17 PM
I hope he's fine. I'm still wondering how fast he was going since he was just pulling out of his driveway.

nobama
11-27-2009, 08:23 PM
Weird. Supposedly hit a fire hydrant and a neighbors tree at 2:30 in the morning. That's an odd time to be leaving your house. And the news wires say charges are pending. Very strange. :scratch:

Dini
11-27-2009, 08:25 PM
And apparently he's been cheating on his wife? :scratch:

They said it wasn't alcohol related. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/golf/8383782.stm

nobama
11-27-2009, 08:28 PM
And apparently he's been cheating on his wife? :scratch:

They said it wasn't alcohol related. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/golf/8383782.stm:eek: Are you serious?

Corey Feldman
11-27-2009, 08:31 PM
Tiger's world crumbling apart

my news saying face injuries only

maybe his wife beat him up after finding out about his cheating

swebright
11-27-2009, 08:32 PM
I'd only say very strange.:confused::confused:

swebright
11-27-2009, 08:33 PM
I think the news are exaggerating extent of injuries. If there's no air bag deployed/low impact, how can it be serious? I don't think facial injuries can be called serious injuries.

Rita
11-27-2009, 08:45 PM
Tiger's world crumbling apart

my news saying face injuries only

maybe his wife beat him up after finding out about his cheating

Sounds like the most plausible explanation really.

Nadine where did you hear about the cheating?

Dini
11-27-2009, 08:46 PM
Rita :unsure:

http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/beautifulyoungthings/2009/11/26/is-tiger-woods-cheating-on-his-wife/

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/11/foul-fourplay-rachel-uchitel-claims-affair-with-tiger-woods/

http://www.hollyscoop.com/tiger-woods/report-tiger-woods-cheating-on-his-wife_22262.aspx

Sunset of Age
11-27-2009, 08:48 PM
:eek: Are you serious?

Yes, I read that rumour as well. I can only hope it's just a lame rumour! :o
Seems he's rather out-of-sorts - that's one FREAK of an accident, at 2:30 AM in the morning? :o

Gretchen.
11-27-2009, 08:48 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? :speakles: Now there is cheating involved??

CNN just reported that he is out of the hospital now, but everywhere else it's saying that he was in serious condition.:unsure:

Rita
11-27-2009, 08:55 PM
Rita :unsure:

http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/beautifulyoungthings/2009/11/26/is-tiger-woods-cheating-on-his-wife/

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/11/foul-fourplay-rachel-uchitel-claims-affair-with-tiger-woods/

http://www.hollyscoop.com/tiger-woods/report-tiger-woods-cheating-on-his-wife_22262.aspx

Thanks.

If it's true all I can say is: Men :rolleyes: :p

Midnight Ninja
11-27-2009, 08:58 PM
"A statement from Woods' publicist and Health Central Hospital called the accident "minor," and said Woods was "admitted, treated and released today in good condition."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/11/27/tiger.woods/index.html

Gretchen.
11-27-2009, 09:00 PM
If it's true all I can say is: Men :rolleyes: :p

They never fail. :o:rolleyes:

Garson007
11-27-2009, 09:04 PM
Golfers always get the weirdest injuries.

buddyholly
11-27-2009, 10:21 PM
Americans have car crashes every day. It's part of their culture. Who cares about another one?

buddyholly
11-27-2009, 11:16 PM
OK, I care now. Tiger had scratches on his face. Latest report says his wife smashed the rear window in the vehicle with a golf club.

Now the question is: were the scratches on his face and the window smashed before or after the SUV hit the hydrant?

This story has legs.

Corey Feldman
11-27-2009, 11:17 PM
dont make jokes buddyholly

husband beating is serious stuff

Sunset of Age
11-27-2009, 11:44 PM
Thanks.

If it's true all I can say is: Men :rolleyes: :p

You've been bumping into the Wrong Ones, Rita. :hug:

I now read that his injuries are minor. Pfew.

nobama
11-28-2009, 12:12 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/27/tiger-woods-fight-wife-crash-elin-nordegren/


Tiger Woods & Wife Argued Before Crash
Posted Nov 27th 2009 6:10PM by TMZ Staff

Multiple law enforcement sources tell TMZ Tiger Woods' early morning accident came right after an argument with his wife, Elin Nordegren.

We're told Elin told cops about the argument at the scene of the accident and Tiger gave the same story to authorities at the hospital where he was treated.

One Florida law enforcement official called it "a domestic issue."

Elin apparently was able to forgive and forget -- according to Windermere Police Chief Daniel Saylor, Nordegren smashed out the back window of Tiger's car to help get him out.

Woods ran into a fire hydrant and a tree at around 2:20 AM near his home in Florida. He was treated for minor injuries and released.

Sunset of Age
11-28-2009, 12:18 AM
Big Mess in his personal life right now, apparently. Shucks. :(

Corey Feldman
11-28-2009, 12:28 AM
Yes Karin, it seems for some men having everything is not enough :(

maybe he's depressed coz Fed 15 >>>>>> 14

;)

betowiec
11-28-2009, 12:34 AM
tiger forgot his driver
:)

Sunset of Age
11-28-2009, 12:36 AM
Yes Karin, it seems for some men having everything is not enough :(

maybe he's depressed coz Fed 15 >>>>>> 14

;)

I don't think that THAT is anywhere on his mind right now, but I guess you're joking eh? :p

nobama
11-28-2009, 12:44 AM
Big Mess in his personal life right now, apparently. Shucks. :(:lol: Well I'm sure he's not the first married man to have a domestic.

But it seems odd that his wife would need to smash a window with a golf club. I mean he was driving a Cadillac Escalade and hit a fire hydrant. Not sure how that would pin him in the car. Especially since it's a big SUV. :scratch:

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c469014a.jpg

l_mac
11-28-2009, 12:50 AM
Bad week for Gillette's "heroes".

Johnny Groove
11-28-2009, 12:52 AM
Tiger wanted to get away from that bitch quickly and crashed. Sucks.

betowiec
11-28-2009, 01:23 AM
:lol: Well I'm sure he's not the first married man to have a domestic.

But it seems odd that his wife would need to smash a window with a golf club. I mean he was driving a Cadillac Escalade and hit a fire hydrant. Not sure how that would pin him in the car. Especially since it's a big SUV. :scratch:

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c469014a.jpg

imo they are hiding the thruth :)

nobama
11-28-2009, 01:42 AM
The woman in the National Enquirer story. I hate women with fake lips. :o

http://eplay.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008d68b968834012875d9b203970c-pi

buddyholly
11-28-2009, 02:30 AM
tiger forgot his driver
:)

Yeah, that's why Erin tried to pass it through the window.

MJ angel
11-28-2009, 11:11 AM
The woman in the National Enquirer story. I hate women with fake lips. :o

http://eplay.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008d68b968834012875d9b203970c-pi

OMG tiger,.. why ? I am disappointed, i thought you were a honest husband ...and this woman is ugly..

jeremda01
11-28-2009, 11:52 AM
this might cheer us up. light humor.

http://www.stopmikelupica.com/images/TigerWoodsSmile.jpg

betowiec
11-28-2009, 01:08 PM
Here we go: "Tiger Woods did not suffer facial lacerations from a car accident. They were inflicted by his wife, Elin Nordegren — according to a conversation Woods had Friday after the accident." And when he tried to get away... ...Elin went all Angry Jack Nicholson on Tiger's SUV. Distracted by his scorned wife chasing him with a golf club, he plowed into a fire hydrant. The golf world and his sponsors await a more sanitized version of this from Woods' people so they can move past this as quickly as possible in order to maintain the illusion that Eldrick's only flaws are his super-competitive nature and his foul-mouthed temper on the golf course. Especially Gillette. It's tough to have a million-dollar razor pitchman with a mangled face.
And the alleged other woman, Rachel Uchitel, is trying to lay low by speaking with every single media outlet that has contacted her via Facebook so far. She vehemently denies she ever had sex with, texted, sexted, or spoke with Tiger Woods and would appreciate if people would just stop making the numerous trashy photos of her that are already available online a hot Google trend.

JolánGagó
11-28-2009, 01:18 PM
:haha:

all that aura of fakery around Tiger was bound to bust one day...

jonathancrane
11-28-2009, 01:43 PM
The woman in the National Enquirer story. I hate women with fake lips. :o

http://eplay.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008d68b968834012875d9b203970c-pi

:tape:
That woman is horrendous

Ivanatis
11-28-2009, 01:55 PM
why would I give a shit about what Tiger Woods is doing :shrug:

gulzhan
11-28-2009, 02:11 PM
Here we go: "Tiger Woods did not suffer facial lacerations from a car accident. They were inflicted by his wife, Elin Nordegren — according to a conversation Woods had Friday after the accident." And when he tried to get away... ...Elin went all Angry Jack Nicholson on Tiger's SUV. Distracted by his scorned wife chasing him with a golf club, he plowed into a fire hydrant.

:haha:

Sunset of Age
11-28-2009, 02:20 PM
Oups, this is getting ugly. Not just that woman. :tape:

Byrd
11-28-2009, 04:51 PM
Gillete, the best a man can get...

Jōris
11-28-2009, 05:33 PM
Tiger lost control of his car because the tyres had a hole in one. I imagine his face is looking below par.

:sad:

cobalt60
11-28-2009, 05:36 PM
Gives new meaning to the words "close shave". Apologies if this has been stated before. Guess it goes to show that money doesn't hide stupidity.

nobama
11-28-2009, 08:12 PM
http://www.hollywoodcelebgossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Rachel-Uchitel-Picture-Rumored-Tiger-Woods-Mistress-Pic.jpg

jonathancrane
11-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Fake tits too? :o

ExcaliburII
11-28-2009, 10:34 PM
i would bang her without a doubt.

betowiec
11-28-2009, 11:05 PM
http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/e/b/ebdab211e45497be1de4aa1d2fae1ed5_tigerwoodsgirlfri endracheluchitelphotos.jpg
on the left

Kolya
11-29-2009, 12:55 AM
:haha:

Tiger, Tiger, Tiger...

buddyholly
11-29-2009, 03:17 AM
Looks like this time the tail was got by Tiger.

Action Jackson
11-29-2009, 03:18 AM
Tiger sinking his putts elsewhere.

JolánGagó
11-29-2009, 04:16 AM
WTF, the lady is fine :shrug:

buddyholly
11-29-2009, 04:23 PM
Tiger sinking his putts elsewhere.

I'll give you post of the year if that was an intended pun. Be honest.

Action Jackson
11-29-2009, 04:26 PM
I'll give you post of the year if that was an intended pun. Be honest.

Of course it was honest.

It's like Tiger wanted to drive a Lada instead of a Cadillac.

Johnny Groove
11-29-2009, 04:28 PM
Tiger could do better.

R.Federer
11-29-2009, 04:41 PM
Giving the run around to the police.... doesn't help people's suspicions about the whole thing.

Tommy_Vercetti
11-29-2009, 04:46 PM
Yeah, that makes no sense. Even if it was some sort of domestic squabble that caused him to leave and crash, what the hell is with saying you are unavailable to police? For someone in his situation, how stupid can you be?

Kolya
11-30-2009, 12:40 AM
Probably another hoax attempt to get his own TV show.

buddyholly
11-30-2009, 12:53 AM
Of course it was honest.

It's like Tiger wanted to drive a Lada instead of a Cadillac.

OK, no post of the year honours this time. You seem to have missed that ''putz'' (pronounced putts) is slang for penis.

cobalt60
11-30-2009, 12:55 AM
OK, no post of the year honours this time. You seem to have missed that ''putz'' (pronounced putts) is slang for penis.

Not to many here on MTF would know that:p It was a great pun :yeah: 2 points GW. Wish I had thought of it :sad: ;)

buddyholly
11-30-2009, 12:57 AM
It doesn't count if you didn't know. And besides, I wanted to say it.

I thought you were banned for abusive posts in my PC thread.

superslam77
11-30-2009, 01:03 AM
:eek: Fed better stop hanging out with Woods from now on :o

Very bad influence :o.

cobalt60
11-30-2009, 01:07 AM
It doesn't count if you didn't know. And besides, I wanted to say it.

I thought you were banned for abusive posts in my PC thread.

I am an :angel: Besides I forced myself away from this place for a bit. That will occur again soon anyway.

star
11-30-2009, 01:22 AM
:eek: Fed better stop hanging out with Woods from now on :o

Very bad influence :o.

We'll see if he gets another invite to Fed's box at the USO next year. ;)

superslam77
11-30-2009, 02:15 AM
We'll see if he gets another invite to Fed's box at the USO next year. ;)

Hopefully he won't try to seduce Mirka and her Luscious boobies ;)

Hey Tiger better not offer the Fed something illegal or will ya :mad: ?

dabeast
11-30-2009, 02:41 AM
http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/e/b/ebdab211e45497be1de4aa1d2fae1ed5_tigerwoodsgirlfri endracheluchitelphotos.jpg
on the left

mannish-looking.

Never really liked tiger, always thought he was kinda untrustworthy. Now I see why. If the rumours are true. But seriously, he could have any woman he wanted plus his wife is seriously hot, there are women 10x hotter than the one above.

Henry Chinaski
11-30-2009, 04:12 AM
things looking good for gilette with henry the cheat and woods the adulterer. I expect Federer to be implicated in a child porn scandal any day now

out_here_grindin
11-30-2009, 06:43 PM
The media blew this up. I was watching the Iron Bowl and they interrupt it with pictures of Tiger and sad music playing. "Several news sources are reporting that Tiger Woods is in serious condition after beign in a car accident today." I was expecting them to say that he died by the way they portrayed it. Turns out he has a couple of scratches on his face.

l_mac
11-30-2009, 08:38 PM
things looking good for gilette with henry the cheat and woods the adulterer. I expect Federer to be implicated in a child porn scandal any day now

He already has his match fixing scandal :shrug:

jmf07
12-01-2009, 06:21 AM
Looks like Tiger's wife just discovered that Tiger's been cheating on her with Roger.

Mimi
12-01-2009, 07:30 AM
i would bang her without a doubt.
you better have a check with your eyes, this woman is so damn ugly, looks like a man :bolt::help:

Corey Feldman
12-01-2009, 06:36 PM
Tiger WD's from his own event .. wont play again till 2010 :(

betowiec
12-02-2009, 12:43 AM
you better have a check with your eyes, this woman is so damn ugly, looks like a man :bolt::help:

she is hot

nobama
12-02-2009, 12:13 PM
Tiger WD's from his own event .. wont play again till 2010 :(More women coming out now. And pics from tmz.com

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/12/1130_tiger_tao_2.jpg

Corey Feldman
12-02-2009, 12:31 PM
thats doesnt prove much to me other than America, like England, has plenty of these Ho's who will throw themselves next to some big name.. know a few pics are being taken and hope for their 15 minutes of fame by lying through their teeth

nobama
12-02-2009, 12:56 PM
thats doesnt prove much to me other than America, like England, has plenty of these Ho's who will throw themselves next to some big name.. know a few pics are being taken and hope for their 15 minutes of fame by lying through their teethCould be. Apparently one of these skanks has a recent voicemail from Tiger. Now if the audio of that comes out and it's clearly Tiger's voice then he's toast. Otherwise it's just rumor that can't be proven.

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 04:22 PM
Well here it is from Tiger himself:
Tiger Woods Apologizes for His 'Sins'


Embattled athlete Tiger Woods all but fessed up to having strayed from his image as a family man in a heartfelt public apology on his Web site (http://web.tigerwoods.com/news/article/200912027740572/news/) Wednesday.

"I have let my family down and I regret those transgressions with all of my heart," he writes. "I have not been true to my values and the behavior my family deserves. I am not without faults and I am far short of perfect."

In the wake of a one-car accident (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20323179,00.html) last week, rumors swirled that the crash was somehow caused by allegations that Woods, 33, had had an affair (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20323278,00.html) behind wife Elin Nordegren's back. Despite Florida authorities saying they considered the case closed (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20323584,00.html), scrutiny only grew – and another woman (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20323728,00.html) emerged, claiming she and the pro golfer had had a 31-month romance.

Woods, while not explicitly admitting to extramarital affairs, pleaded for privacy in his Wednesday mea culpa.

"I am dealing with my behavior and personal failings behind closed doors with my family," he writes. "Those feelings should be shared by us alone."

Later, he adds: "Personal sins should not require press releases and problems within a family shouldn't have to mean public confessions ... I will strive to be a better person and the husband and father that my family deserves. For all of those who have supported me over the years, I offer my profound apology."





http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20323755,00.html


Boy, does that woman who said there is no affair, look pretty good now! Literally too! The "actual other woman" is so ... blah

Dini
12-02-2009, 04:26 PM
Disgusting.

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 04:31 PM
Elin will leave. The payout will be huge!

JolánGagó
12-02-2009, 04:35 PM
"Personal sins should not require press releases and problems within a family shouldn't have to mean public confessions ...

sorry dude, that would be true for my neighbor but not for someone making zillions out of making the world believe he's a saint on legs... now live up to your fakery and shut the f*ck up.

Gretchen.
12-02-2009, 04:55 PM
:o :o :o

Elin should leave, she'll get enough money so she has nothing to worry about.

betowiec
12-02-2009, 04:59 PM
there is a price you pay for fame
no privacy for him

star
12-02-2009, 05:06 PM
I'm only amazed that Tiger could have kept up a shield on his private life for so long. He gave one indiscrete interview for GQ at the beginning and after that closed the shutters. It took something big to open them a crack.

As far as I'm concerned, his statement says what he needs to say. He had affairs. He wasn't the husband and father he should have been. Now that he knows he doesn't have some sort of immunity from scandal, we'll see what happens.

Problem is that every girl who saved texts and voice mails will be seeking a pay day from the tabloids. It seems that Tiger was a busy boy.

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 05:17 PM
He must have dumped the mistress recently (he probably got caught) for her to come clean and sell the story. Wow, 31 months. THat's a long time.

Whether he had sex 30 times or 100 with the mistress-- well, really doesn't matter any more. Details will come out. Damage is done even if it was a one-night stand. No wonder Elin whacked him with the golf clubs that, she alleged, were used to whack the SUV instead ;)

nobama
12-02-2009, 06:46 PM
:lol: just a couple days ago he was attacking the malicious rumors out there. Now when there is audio proof of his cheating ways he fesses up but says he's human and not perfect (I guess that makes adultery ok then). I hope he does right for his family, but I wouldn't be surprised if his wife says 'see ya' and walks off with half his fortune.

Stensland
12-02-2009, 06:50 PM
what a lying piece of shit this guy must have been over the last couple of years, in all kinds of ways (family, media, fans).

thank god he's not doing sports. would've shed a bad light on athletes.

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 06:52 PM
thank god he's not doing sports. would've shed a bad light on athletes.

:haha:

tangerine_dream
12-02-2009, 07:48 PM
:haha: What an ass.

Tiger Woods cellphone message to one of his mistresses (http://www.examiner.com/x-14650-Entertainment-Examiner~y2009m12d2-Jaimie-Grubbs-voicemail-from-Tiger-Woods-audio)

Tommy_Vercetti
12-02-2009, 08:00 PM
He sounds even more nasal and boring in that message.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 08:01 PM
Poor Tiger.

Bitches gonna clean out his bank account.

I think if he wasn't black, there wouldn't be nearly as much public tabloid scrutiny on him. Of course there still would be, since he is the #1 golfer in the world, but being black on top of it really made the shit hit the fan.

Tommy_Vercetti
12-02-2009, 08:06 PM
I think if he wasn't black, there wouldn't be nearly as much public tabloid scrutiny on him.

Because of the media, Tiger is the most well-known and richest athlete in the world. It certainly wasn't because of his charming and exciting personality. Making the one quarter black argument is the reason for his problems just doesn't work.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 08:11 PM
Ok, Tiger is the most well-known and richest athlete in the world. He's also a black athlete in a traditionally white sport. If he was 100% white, I guarantee he wouldn't be as big a deal as he is now and his checkbook would be slimmer.

Why is it that the media feel the need to viciously go after any athlete that makes a mistake in his life and tear him down? The same thing happened to Kobe Bryant.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 08:15 PM
if tiger was a white woman his wife would be in jail by now, especially if she was a black dude

l_mac
12-02-2009, 08:16 PM
Ok, Tiger is the most well-known and richest athlete in the world. He's also a black athlete in a traditionally white sport. If he was 100% white, I guarantee he wouldn't be as big a deal as he is now and his checkbook would be slimmer.

Why is it that the media feel the need to viciously go after any athlete that makes a mistake in his life and tear him down? The same thing happened to Kobe Bryant.

And OJ :tears:

:rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 08:23 PM
if tiger was a white woman his wife would be in jail by now, especially if she was a black dude

Without a doubt.

And OJ :tears:

:rolleyes:

Nah, OJ did it.

Dini
12-02-2009, 08:46 PM
Why "poor Tiger"? :scratch: I don't feel any sympathy for him. Why get married and exchange vows if you want other girls? It's not like he got married young, 29 is a pretty mature age... but obviously one sexual partner is not enough.

And I don't get the racial thing at all. If anything it's made him more unique. He's getting a lot of stick for cheating because 1) cheating is not really acceptable in any class/society and 2) because he's massively famous and rich. Rich and famous people get a lot of criticism as it is, but it's deserving when that guy is a cheat.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 08:54 PM
Of course when women see that Tiger has cheated on his wife, they immediately think he is a scumbag and deserving of all this criticism and its his fault entirely. :rolleyes:

When I heard that he had cheated, I immediately assumed that the woman was to blame. This guy is Tiger fucking Woods. She is his wife. She should be the one MAKING SURE that he need not look anywhere else for his thrills by providing them herself.

Men don't cheat for no reason at all. Men cheat because their wives give them reason to do so.

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 09:01 PM
Of course when women see that Tiger has cheated on his wife, they immediately think he is a scumbag and deserving of all this criticism and its his fault entirely. :rolleyes:

When I heard that he had cheated, I immediately assumed that the woman was to blame. This guy is Tiger fucking Woods. She is his wife. She should be the one MAKING SURE that he need not look anywhere else for his thrills by providing them herself.

Men don't cheat for no reason at all. Men cheat because their wives give them reason to do so.


what a load of old crap.

Some people cheat because they are in bad relationships and there are problems with their partner but some people cheat just because they like the thrill of it and the best of both worlds.

I don't know what category Tiger is in. He is probably away from home a lot and it's easy to give in to temptation but that doesn't automatically mean that it's his wife's fault. People in relationships make compromises especially when they have kids. Life isn't perfect and you can't always have what you want all of the time.

If he wanted to play around maybe he shouldn't have married and had a family.

There is no excuse for domestic violence from either party howeve.r

Dini
12-02-2009, 09:01 PM
Nice generalisation there, Jon. I don't think he's a "scumbag" as such because really I don't know him, but I don't excuse cheating at the same time, no matter what Elin did or did not do. He should not have married her if he wanted to sleep around - he's got the fortune and fame to get as many girls as he'd like and he wouldn't get criticised for it if he didn't commit to any of them... he could do it Safin style. But he is married FFS has a family and his son (?) was born in February of this year. This girl he cheated on Elin with claimed the relationship started in 2007. What is he doing having two sexual partners at one time and having babies as well? If he's not happy with Elin then separation or divorce would be a much better way out. :shrug: Celebrities get divorced all the time and he would have a better reputation had he done that.

But as things stand now he's not done himself any favours and he deserves all the stick he's getting for it, too.

l_mac
12-02-2009, 09:01 PM
Of course when women see that Tiger has cheated on his wife, they immediately think he is a scumbag and deserving of all this criticism and its his fault entirely. :rolleyes:

When I heard that he had cheated, I immediately assumed that the woman was to blame. This guy is Tiger fucking Woods. She is his wife. She should be the one MAKING SURE that he need not look anywhere else for his thrills by providing them herself.

Men don't cheat for no reason at all. Men cheat because their wives give them reason to do so.

I'm really embarassed for you now.

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 09:08 PM
Boo, tell me that you've been on a three day krell bender for writing something like this. You know how I feel about you, but if you're gonna chuck all of my kind under a bus....

'Splain, else we'll throw down right now. I've got nowhere to be for the next two hours. :D

Of course when women see that Tiger has cheated on his wife, they immediately think he is a scumbag and deserving of all this criticism and its his fault entirely. :rolleyes:

When I heard that he had cheated, I immediately assumed that the woman was to blame. This guy is Tiger fucking Woods. She is his wife. She should be the one MAKING SURE that he need not look anywhere else for his thrills by providing them herself.

Men don't cheat for no reason at all. Men cheat because their wives give them reason to do so.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 09:15 PM
I knew that post would get a row from the female gender. :p

All I'm saying is that sometimes in a relationship, the globe-trotting athlete is not at fault. Do we know Tiger and his wife's relationship status? No. Do we know if she was violent and abusive, which is possible seeing as she smashed the shit out of his car with a 9-iron? No.

I do agree with Nadine that if there was some domestic disturbance then he should have divorced her then and there and gotten it over with, but those divorces usually end up with the man losing half his stuff. And in the case of Tiger, that's quite a bit.

So while he's out playing tournaments, he meets this wonderful woman and decides to cheat on the wife he wasn't happy with and the shit hit the fan recently. I'm not saying it was the correct decision for him to make, but perhaps he was backed into a corner and really didn't know what to do. :shrug:

I like giving men some slack in this area probably because I understand. Most (not all) women immediately villify Tiger and assume it is 100% his fault and I think that's wrong.

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 09:19 PM
I knew that post would get a row from the female gender. :p

All I'm saying is that sometimes in a relationship, the globe-trotting athlete is not at fault. Do we know Tiger and his wife's relationship status? No. Do we know if she was violent and abusive, which is possible seeing as she smashed the shit out of his car with a 9-iron? No.

I do agree with Nadine that if there was some domestic disturbance then he should have divorced her then and there and gotten it over with, but those divorces usually end up with the man losing half his stuff. And in the case of Tiger, that's quite a bit.

So while he's out playing tournaments, he meets this wonderful woman and decides to cheat on the wife he wasn't happy with and the shit hit the fan recently. I'm not saying it was the correct decision for him to make, but perhaps he was backed into a corner and really didn't know what to do. :shrug:

I like giving men some slack in this area probably because I understand. Most (not all) women immediately villify Tiger and assume it is 100% his fault and I think that's wrong.


That isn't what you said in your last post at all.

l_mac
12-02-2009, 09:23 PM
I like giving men some slack in this area probably because I understand. Most (not all) women immediately villify Tiger and assume it is 100% his fault and I think that's wrong.

He's the one caught with his pants down, issuing public apologies. HUGE leap to assume he might be in the wrong. :yeah:

:retard:

Some part of me hopes that you are only taking this position to get a reaction, another part of me assumes it is your age and inexperience showing.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 09:27 PM
That isn't what you said in your last post at all.

I'm just expanding on what I said :shrug:

He's the one caught with his pants down, issuing public apologies. HUGE leap to assume he might be in the wrong. :yeah:

:retard:

Some part of me hopes that you are only taking this position to get a reaction, another part of me assumes it is your age and inexperience showing.

What, you expect the woman to come out and apologize for being an abusive bitch? :spit:

Just look deeper than this. Tiger has been trying to sweep this under the rug and do some damage control ever since this thing came out.

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 09:28 PM
Decode that for a second-

My wife did/did not do X, Y, Z. Well, I'll go have sex with someone other than her.

It's nonsensical. I'd accept it if you had made the argument like-

I love my wife, but I desire multiple sexual partners and want an open relationship.

I'm not the type to vilify at all- I couldn't care less what some guy does naked, but the decision to dip his wick into someone other than his wife is independent of circumstance.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 09:31 PM
Who else's fault could it possible be? The "other women" don't owe anything to Tiger's wife or kids. You can't blame them. Elin didn't make him cheat. It is 100% his own doing.

Decode that for a second-

My wife did/did not do X, Y, Z. Well, I'll go have sex with someone other than her.

It's nonsensical. I'd accept it if you had made the argument like-

I love my wife, but I desire multiple sexual partners and want an open relationship.

I'm not the type to vilify at all- I couldn't care less what some guy does naked, but the decision to dip his wick into someone other than his wife is independent of circumstance.

Kelli, you should know better than most than men and women's brains operate very differently. I look at this situation and see it one way, while women look at the EXACT SAME THING and see it entirely different.

We will never see eye-to-eye on this until the entire story comes out and why Tiger cheated in the first place. Until then, I'm giving Tiger the benefit of the doubt. :shrug:

l_mac
12-02-2009, 09:32 PM
Just look deeper than this. Tiger has been trying to sweep this under the rug and do some damage control ever since this thing came out.

Of course most celebrities, especially those with colosall endorsement deals, prefer to have their private troubles played out in full public view. Especially when it tarnishes their image :yeah:

Him trying to brush it under the carpet is a clear indication that he is not at fault.

Dini
12-02-2009, 09:33 PM
He's rich and famous, of course girls are going to be around him. But no, of course temptation doesn't factor in at all, right?

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 09:35 PM
why give him the benefit of the doubt and not hsi wife?

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 09:35 PM
Of course most celebrities, especially those with collosall endorsement deals, prefer to have their private troubles played out in full public view. Especially when it tarnishes their image :yeah:

Him trying to brush it under the carpet is a clear indication that he is not at fault.

So what is your point here? All I see is sarcasm.

He's rich and famous, of course girls are going to be around him. But no, of course temptation doesn't factor in at all, right?

Temptation factors in, of course. But if his marriage and life at home was full of love and roses, do you think he would have cheated?

Temptation increases exponentially when life at home is in the shitter.

l_mac
12-02-2009, 09:37 PM
So what is your point here? All I see is sarcasm.


My point was that your point was complete crap.

ad-out
12-02-2009, 09:38 PM
We will never see eye-to-eye on this until the entire story comes out and why Tiger cheated in the first place. Until then, I'm giving Tiger the benefit of the doubt. :shrug:

But that's just it - there is really no acceptable excuse for cheating on one's wife. He should have just left her if he wanted to sleep around. Too bad for him if he didn't want to pay 1/2 or the pre-nup amount. He should have thought of that before he got married.

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 09:38 PM
My point was that your point was complete crap.

Agreed.

So maybe he should have spent the time at home mending the marriage instead of shagging around. Don't see how that is his wife's fault.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 09:41 PM
why give him the benefit of the doubt and not hsi wife?

1. Because I'm a male.

2. Because I've seen this exact scenario play out in my own family.

I'll give you an example.

My aunt, after getting married to my uncle and being together for years and having a young baby, has started her own business and is more and more independent of my uncle. He is out working his ass off to support her and her business, giving her advice and helping her out, and she is too busy with said business and the new baby to give him any mind. She becomes more and more bitchy to him and he feels unappreciated.

He decides to go out and cheat on her for a much younger woman that makes him feel like a million bucks. It comes to bite him in the ass. My aunt moves to another state with the child, and he now feels even shittier than before. Then, his 2nd wife cheats on him because my uncle couldn't support her excessive financial necessities.

It's all a shitty cycle, really. And no one benefits. I feel Tiger was in a similar position to my uncle and made the same act.

Dini
12-02-2009, 09:42 PM
Temptation factors in, of course. But if his marriage and life at home was full of love and roses, do you think he would have cheated?

Temptation increases exponentially when life at home is in the shitter.

So instead of trying to sort out his shitty home life, he goes and makes it worse. Now any point he may have had against Elin has completely gone down the drain, because no matter what bad Elin did, not a lot is worse than cheating in marriage. Two wrongs definitely don't make a right. Whichever angle you see this from, Woods is in deep shite and deservedly so.

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 09:43 PM
Kelli, you should know better than most than men and women's brains operate very differently. I look at this situation and see it one way, while women look at the EXACT SAME THING and see it entirely different.

We will never see eye-to-eye on this until the entire story comes out and why Tiger cheated in the first place. Until then, I'm giving Tiger the benefit of the doubt. :shrug:

Jon, what you posted above has nothing to do with what I wrote. What I wrote holds true from a logistical point, which is something men are supposed to pick up quickly. This is not a male perspective vs. female perspective thing.

I don't care why Tiger cheated in the first place, nor am I calling it wrong or anything else. I have no moral judgment for anyone who decides to have sex with more than one person- it's not my business.

What I said was, it is not logical to say that because of action X, Y, or Z, that prompted him to engage in an extramarital affair. He did so because he wanted to, not because of what his wife did or did not do. He is 100% responsible for his actions.

GustavoM_Fan
12-02-2009, 09:45 PM
hole in one Tiger?

http://www.canchallena.com/anexos/fotos/10/1122810.jpg

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 09:53 PM
Of course when women see that Tiger has cheated on his wife, they immediately think he is a scumbag and deserving of all this criticism and its his fault entirely. :rolleyes:

When I heard that he had cheated, I immediately assumed that the woman was to blame. This guy is Tiger fucking Woods. She is his wife. She should be the one MAKING SURE that he need not look anywhere else for his thrills by providing them herself.

Men don't cheat for no reason at all. Men cheat because their wives give them reason to do so.

Spoken like a man. :worship:

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 09:54 PM
Still can't figure out why "I did not cheat with Tiger Woods" woman (above picture) needs a lawyer.

What is Allred going to fight? That National Enquirer printed a lie -- I mean, there is no way of disproving what was written.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 09:55 PM
So instead of trying to sort out his shitty home life, he goes and makes it worse. Now any point he may have had against Elin has completely gone down the drain, because no matter what bad Elin did, not a lot is worse than cheating in marriage. Two wrongs definitely don't make a right. Whichever angle you see this from, Woods is in deep shite and deservedly so.

I don't agree with him cheating on his wife. Its stupid and does nothing but make it worse, but at the same time, I can see why he slipped and did what he did :shrug:

Jon, what you posted above has nothing to do with what I wrote. What I wrote holds true from a logistical point, which is something men are supposed to pick up quickly. This is not a male perspective vs. female perspective thing.

I don't care why Tiger cheated in the first place, nor am I calling it wrong or anything else. I have no moral judgment for anyone who decides to have sex with more than one person- it's not my business.

What I said was, it is not logical to say that because of action X, Y, or Z, that prompted him to engage in an extramarital affair. He did so because he wanted to, not because of what his wife did or did not do. He is 100% responsible for his actions.

I dunno.

Being in an unhappy marriage like I assume he was in, there was no way that Tiger could have gotten out of this in a good way. Let's say he tried to divorce her. Do you know how crazy the media will get to dig the story out of why the divorce happened?

Tiger was fucked either way.

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 09:58 PM
Being in an unhappy marriage like this, there was no way that Tiger could have gotten out of this in a good way. Let's say he tried to divorce her. Do you know how crazy the media will get to dig the story out of why the divorce happened?

Tiger was fucked either way.

Well, now he has crazy media, he has impending divorce, leaked tapes+texts, and presumably some loss in endorsement income. It is only now that he is truly screwed!

I am waiting to see what Roger says at the next post-match interview when he is inevitably asked if he has recently spoken to his box-sharing-Gillette-using-Nike-sponsored buddy.

Bibberz
12-02-2009, 10:03 PM
Temptation factors in, of course. But if his marriage and life at home was full of love and roses, do you think he would have cheated?

Tiger began his affair with that cocktail waitress when his wife was seven months pregnant with their first child. Think about the type of man who would do that--that's the type of man who would cheat on his wife regardless of whether "life at home was full of love and roses."

Temptation increases exponentially when life at home is in the shitter.And it also increases exponentially when you're the richest and most famous athlete on the planet.

By the way, bringing up Kobe Bryant makes zero sense. He was at that time one of the biggest athletes in America and he was charged with ****. ****. If Kobe is going to embrace the way the media/sponsors portray him as the world's greatest fucking role model (and they did--those commercials were :retard:), he has to accept that the media/public will vilify him when he (1) gets charged with **** and (2) immediately confesses to committing adultery.

EDIT: Full disclosure: I found the media's scrutiny of Kobe to be both hilarious and awesome. :D

Pigpen Stinks
12-02-2009, 10:03 PM
Of course when women see that Tiger has cheated on his wife, they immediately think he is a scumbag and deserving of all this criticism and its his fault entirely. :rolleyes:

When I heard that he had cheated, I immediately assumed that the woman was to blame. This guy is Tiger fucking Woods. She is his wife. She should be the one MAKING SURE that he need not look anywhere else for his thrills by providing them herself.

Men don't cheat for no reason at all. Men cheat because their wives give them reason to do so.

I'm not a female, and I still found this post completely absurd. Then again, when I was 20 I may have felt differently.

Bibberz
12-02-2009, 10:06 PM
Spoken like a man. :worship:

:retard:

Dini
12-02-2009, 10:08 PM
I am waiting to see what Roger says at the next post-match interview when he is inevitably asked if he has recently spoken to his box-sharing-Gillette-using-Nike-sponsored buddy.

He'll come up with some PC bullshite again like he did when asked about Agassi "cheating" (different kind of cheating of course).

---

Cheating on your wife is bad enough but I think it's 278973 times worse if it happens when the wife is pregnant.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 10:09 PM
Tiger began his affair with that cocktail waitress when his wife was seven months pregnant with their first child. Think about the type of man who would do that--that's the type of man who would cheat on his wife regardless of whether "life at home was full of love and roses."

And it also increases exponentially when you're the richest and most famous athlete on the planet.

By the way, bringing up Kobe Bryant makes zero sense. He was at that time one of the biggest athletes in America and he was charged with ****. ****. If Kobe is going to embrace the way the media/sponsors portray him as the world's greatest fucking role model (and they did--those commercials were :retard:), he has to accept that the media/public will vilify him when he (1) gets charged with **** and (2) immediately confesses to at least committing adultery.

Oh yeah, I forgot Kobe was facing **** charges. :o I thought it was just adultery, my bad, you're correct. Really not comparable. Although in the end, he was found innocent.

7 months pregnant, eh? That's tough.

I dunno, I just have this image of Tiger Woods that he is as clean-cut and vanilla as they come.

I guess its tough for me to think that he'd do something like this without provocation.

l_mac
12-02-2009, 10:11 PM
I dunno, I just have this image of Tiger Woods that he is as clean-cut and vanilla as they come.


Gosh, I wonder where you get that from :scratch:

l_mac
12-02-2009, 10:12 PM
:retard:

BD :rolleyes: You know you are a girl.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 10:13 PM
Gosh, I wonder where you get that from :scratch:

Probably from watching and listening to the guy for such a long time.

Btw, Linda, when do you ever post anything non-sarcastic?

star
12-02-2009, 10:14 PM
When I heard that he had cheated, I immediately assumed that the woman was to blame. This guy is Tiger fucking Woods. She is his wife. She should be the one MAKING SURE that he need not look anywhere else for his thrills by providing them herself.

Men don't cheat for no reason at all. Men cheat because their wives give them reason to do so.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha;


I do agree with Nadine that if there was some domestic disturbance then he should have divorced her then and there and gotten it over with, but those divorces usually end up with the man losing half his stuff. And in the case of Tiger, that's quite a bit.



Prenup. You can be sure Tiger has one. Sure, he'll have to cough up a lot of money, but nothing like half, and when you've got a billion bucks, he'll be able to make a nice pay out and never notice.


Temptation factors in, of course. But if his marriage and life at home was full of love and roses, do you think he would have cheated?



Studies say that the majority of married men who cheat describe their marriages as happy. Happy that is before the cheating. :p

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 10:14 PM
He'll come up with some PC bullshite again like he did when asked about Agassi "cheating" (different kind of cheating of course).

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Cheating on your wife is bad enough but I think it's 278973 times worse if it happens when the wife is pregnant.

I am guessing, just a random guess, that he is not going to extend an invitation to the Woods family for his next outing in the States. :D

Would it shock you more/less/same if it was Roger who was in this mess? I am expecting it, any day now ...

R.Federer
12-02-2009, 10:15 PM
Prenup. You can be sure Tiger has one. Sure, he'll have to cough up a lot of money, but nothing like half, and when you've got a billion bucks, he'll be able to make a nice pay out and never notice.


Does FL not have the CA rules about splitting income in a divorce? Maybe THAT's why he lives there!



Studies say that the majority of married men who cheat describe their marriages as happy. Happy that is before the cheating.


You mean" Happy that is before the cheating is caught"

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 10:15 PM
I think Rogi is far too scared of Mirka to play away.

Everko
12-02-2009, 10:16 PM
Woman is usually always to blame for these situations. They expect them to be loyal to you when you never give attention.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 10:17 PM
Studies say that the majority of married men who cheat describe their marriages as happy. Happy that is before the cheating. :p

This doesn't make any sense, though.

Why would men cheat if they are happy with their marriage?

I blame the "studies" for spreading false information :p

star
12-02-2009, 10:19 PM
I dunno, I just have this image of Tiger Woods that he is as clean-cut and vanilla as they come.

It's because he has one of the most tightly controlled public images of any athlete ever. He got outed once for telling racy and maybe racist jokes about the size of a black man's penis, and ever since then -- nothing has gotten out.

I guess its tough for me to think that he'd do something like this without provocation.

Well -- that depends on what you mean by provocation. Those women look provocative to me. :aplot:

tangerine_dream
12-02-2009, 10:20 PM
Men don't cheat for no reason at all. Men cheat because their wives give them reason to do so.
You are a man and yet you know nothing about men. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad006.gif

Tiger is a typical control-freak hyper-successful athlete (black has nothing to do with it): massive ego with a huge sense of entitlement. He had the affair(s) because he could and he thought he could get away with it and still be Mr. Perfect, not because of anything his wife did.

To that end, I can't wait until Roger's illicit sex tapes are released by vindictive lovers in a few years. ooh boy :devil:

Dini
12-02-2009, 10:21 PM
I am guessing, just a random guess, that he is not going to extend an invitation to the Woods family for his next outing in the States. :D

Would it shock you more/less/same if it was Roger who was in this mess? I am expecting it, any day now ...

Yeah a bit. I don't know with Roger it's a bit different as he had been with Mirka for nearly 9 years before marrying. So if he did want to play around he did have about a decade to do it and he didn't as far as we know. I don't know, I guess I shouldn't be shocked at anything.

For some reason I had this image of David Beckham being a faithful family man. But he turned out to be a bit of a cheat too.

star
12-02-2009, 10:22 PM
This doesn't make any sense, though.

Why would men cheat if they are happy with their marriage?

I blame the "studies" for spreading false information :p

Blame away. I think married men cheat because they want to feel sexy and desirable and dangerous and excited -- that's a little difficult when you've been having sex with the same woman for 5 years or so -- of course, it wears off faster for some men.

I also think that some men do it just because they can.

One survey showed 74% of married men saying they would cheat if they could be sure they would never get caught.

Talk to me after you've been married for awhile.

star
12-02-2009, 10:23 PM
Yeah a bit. I don't know with Roger it's a bit different as he had been with Mirka for nearly 9 years before marrying. So if he did want to play around he did have about a decade to do it and he didn't as far as we know. I don't know, I guess I shouldn't be shocked at anything.

For some reason I had this image of David Beckham being a faithful family man. But he turned out to be a bit of a cheat too.

Mirka barely lets Rogi Rogi out of her sight. Smart girl.

star
12-02-2009, 10:26 PM
Does FL not have the CA rules about splitting income in a divorce? Maybe THAT's why he lives there!

It has them, however, a prenuptual agreement can specify a different distribution. You can be sure Tiger has one. He lives in Florida because of the weather for golfing and because of the more favorable tax and property laws there.




You mean" Happy that is before the cheating is caught"


Precisely. :yeah: Excellent correction. :)

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 10:31 PM
It's because he has one of the most tightly controlled public images of any athlete ever. He got outed once for telling racy and maybe racist jokes about the size of a black man's penis, and ever since then -- nothing has gotten out.

:lol:

If this is how he is, then I wish they would just let these athletes be who they are and not control their public image.

Well -- that depends on what you mean by provocation. Those women look provocative to me. :aplot:

Exactly.

You are a man and yet you know nothing about men. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad006.gif

Tiger is a typical control-freak hyper-successful athlete (black has nothing to do with it): massive ego with a huge sense of entitlement. He had the affair(s) because he could and he thought he could get away with it and still be Mr. Perfect, not because of anything his wife did.

To that end, I can't wait until Roger's illicit sex tapes are released by vindictive lovers in a few years. ooh boy :devil:

I don't know how you can assume that was the reason he did it any more than I can assume that his wife was a bitch. Neither have merit, its just what we think.

Blame away. I think married men cheat because they want to feel sexy and desirable and dangerous and excited -- that's a little difficult when you've been having sex with the same woman for 5 years or so -- of course, it wears off faster for some men

This sounds like why a woman would cheat more than a man.

I also think that some men do it just because they can.

One survey showed 74% of married men saying they would cheat if they could be sure they would never get caught.

Talk to me after you've been married for awhile.

I guess I won't have the "correct" point of view for another 20 years.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 10:31 PM
Why would men cheat if they are happy with their marriage?

because they can :yeah:

there are plenty of men who love, adore, cherish etc. their wives and still think nothing of stepping out on her, to them it's not mutually exclusive. they don't want a divorce, they don't want to leave, they don't want to marry someone else, they just want a little extra on the side. i've seen it a million times.

tangerine_dream
12-02-2009, 10:35 PM
She looks like a classic bunny boiler to me. :unsure:


http://www.canchallena.com/anexos/fotos/10/1122810.jpg

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 10:35 PM
because they can :yeah:

there are plenty of men who love, adore, cherish etc. their wives and still think nothing of stepping out on her, to them it's not mutually exclusive. they don't want a divorce, they don't want to leave, they don't want to marry someone else, they just want a little extra on the side. i've seen it a million times.

Well then perhaps the institution of marriage is to blame rather than Tiger or his wife.

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 10:36 PM
I dunno.

Being in an unhappy marriage like I assume he was in, there was no way that Tiger could have gotten out of this in a good way. Let's say he tried to divorce her. Do you know how crazy the media will get to dig the story out of why the divorce happened?

Tiger was fucked either way.

Too bad. He has to man up and be an adult. That's what happens when you cheat and get caught. You can't have everything, and if you aren't prepared to deal with the reality of marriage, which is a contract first and foremost, you shouldn't say "I do."

If he wanted an open marriage, he needed to tell Elin that. I get it- monogamy is a forced, unnatural state for many people. Just deal like an adult and be honest- less bullshit and drama in the long run.



To that end, I can't wait until Roger's illicit sex tapes are released by vindictive lovers in a few years. ooh boy :devil:

A friend of mine and I have this ongoing war about Federer. She is convinced he's a freak somehow. I can't see it at all.

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 10:36 PM
Is anyone happy in life 100% of the time. You can be happy in your relationship but have low moments. There is always temptation and being caught at a weak moment, but that is no excuse.

Bibberz
12-02-2009, 10:37 PM
because they can :yeah:

there are plenty of men who love, adore, cherish etc. their wives and still think nothing of stepping out on her, to them it's not mutually exclusive. they don't want a divorce, they don't want to leave, they don't want to marry someone else, they just want a little extra on the side. i've seen it a million times.

http://yuppieaddict.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/don-draper.jpg

l_mac
12-02-2009, 10:40 PM
Probably from watching and listening to the guy for such a long time.

Btw, Linda, when do you ever post anything non-sarcastic?

Yes, but not very often in response to something I find stupid/sexist/offensive.

Like star said, all that you know about Tiger is from his carefully protected public image.

This has been a major blow :lol:

l_mac
12-02-2009, 10:41 PM
http://yuppieaddict.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/don-draper.jpg

Is that you BD :hearts:

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 10:44 PM
Yes, but not very often in response to something I find stupid/sexist/offensive.

Like star said, all that you know about Tiger is from his carefully protected public image.

This has been a major blow :lol:

A major blow to his image for sure. But he will get a 2nd chance, everyone does.

I only hope that more revelations don't come out and dig Tiger into an even deeper hole.

Bibberz
12-02-2009, 10:45 PM
Is that you BD :hearts:

:D

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 10:49 PM
if rihanna had said, oh chris was just helping remove a rabid possum that attacked my face, he's a hero, i am solely to blame for approaching the rabid possum in the first place, this is a private matter between me and chris, i apologize to my family, no i don't want to talk to any cops cuz it was just an accident. oprah & dr. phil would be doing a tag-team intervention on her.

star
12-02-2009, 10:50 PM
A major blow to his image for sure. But he will get a 2nd chance, everyone does.

I only hope that more revelations don't come out and dig Tiger into an even deeper hole.

We'll see. It looks as if he had two women on the side at the same time. So he was like triple timing. :lol:

I wonder what Rachel thinks about the cocktail (interesting word) waitress.

star
12-02-2009, 10:51 PM
if rihanna had said, oh chris was just helping remove a rabid possum that attacked my face, he's a hero, i am solely to blame for approaching the rabid possum in the first place, this is a private matter between me and chris, i apologize to my family, no i don't want to talk to any cops cuz it was just an accident. oprah & dr. phil would be doing a tag-team intervention on her.

:lol: :lol:

And Dr. Drew too.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 10:51 PM
if rihanna had said, oh chris was just helping remove a rabid possum that attacked my face, he's a hero, i am solely to blame for approaching the rabid possum in the first place, this is a private matter between me and chris, i apologize to my family, no i don't want to talk to any cops cuz it was just an accident. oprah & dr. phil would be doing a tag-team intervention on her.

And she still wanted Chris back :cool:

We'll see. It looks as if he had two women on the side at the same time. So he was like triple timing. :lol:

I wonder what Rachel thinks about the cocktail (interesting word) waitress.

I would like to see Tiger and all his mistresses throw down on an episode of Jerry Springer.

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 10:51 PM
Domestic abuse whoever the perpetrator is 100% unacceptable. I don't think anyone has tried to excuse that.

But do you think he was cheating because of that?

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 10:55 PM
I'm thinking he cheated for any one or more of the following reasons:

1) he can

2) for him, trade is plentiful, available and procured without effort

3) he craves variety

4) boredom/stagnation

5) he can

star
12-02-2009, 10:55 PM
This sounds like why a woman would cheat more than a man.


Oh, honey. I've been around so many men who cheat. They don't want to get divorced. They don't want their wives to know. They like the hunt and the excitment and the ego boost of a woman who hasn't seen all their faults and whining and ridiculousness. They want someone to look up to them and be excited about them.

Sex in the first few months is a lot more exciting than sex 2 years into a relationship.

Plus there are men who aren't even faithful to girlfriends. Some even cheat on their girlfriends and then marry their girlfriends.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 10:56 PM
But do you think he was cheating because of that?

no, other way round1

star
12-02-2009, 10:56 PM
Domestic abuse whoever the perpetrator is 100% unacceptable. I don't think anyone has tried to excuse that.

But do you think he was cheating because of that?

Nope.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 11:04 PM
This sounds like why a woman would cheat more than a man.

:lol: men's egos are much needier than women's when it comes to this shit

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 11:04 PM
Domestic abuse whoever the perpetrator is 100% unacceptable. I don't think anyone has tried to excuse that.

But do you think he was cheating because of that?

I think its possible. Maybe not domestic abuse, but something she did may have tipped the scales to make him cheat.

Oh, honey. I've been around so many men who cheat. They don't want to get divorced. They don't want their wives to know. They like the hunt and the excitment and the ego boost of a woman who hasn't seen all their faults and whining and ridiculousness. They want someone to look up to them and be excited about them.

Sex in the first few months is a lot more exciting than sex 2 years into a relationship.

Plus there are men who aren't even faithful to girlfriends. Some even cheat on their girlfriends and then marry their girlfriends.

This is my point, though. Women know that men like the hunt and the excitement. Women know that men have needs. After getting married, the woman then expects the man to turn off all of his primal instincts like a simple light switch?

I think women need to do more (read: sexually) to keep their men from ever wanting to stray. If my wife is a mysterious and ridiculously sexy woman who gives me all of my sexual desires and gives me my children, why would I want to cheat?

ExcaliburII
12-02-2009, 11:05 PM
Why in hell did Tiger marry?

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 11:07 PM
I think women need to do more (read: sexually) to keep their men from ever wanting to stray. If my wife is a mysterious and ridiculously sexy woman who gives me all of my sexual desires and gives me my children, why would I want to cheat?

Does he need to do anything to compel her to continue to want to fuck him? If so, what?

Corey Feldman
12-02-2009, 11:09 PM
how on earth did Blaze lose 1r of ACC

:haha: What an ass.

Tiger Woods cellphone message to one of his mistresses (http://www.examiner.com/x-14650-Entertainment-Examiner~y2009m12d2-Jaimie-Grubbs-voicemail-from-Tiger-Woods-audio):eek:

Tiger humping around eh

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 11:09 PM
It's difficult to be mysterious when you've been together a long time and have kids together funnily enough.

star
12-02-2009, 11:10 PM
I think its possible. Maybe not domestic abuse, but something she did may have tipped the scales to make him cheat.



This is my point, though. Women know that men like the hunt and the excitement. Women know that men have needs. After getting married, the woman then expects the man to turn off all of his primal instincts like a simple light switch?

I think women need to do more (read: sexually) to keep their men from ever wanting to stray. If my wife is a mysterious and ridiculously sexy woman who gives me all of my sexual desires and gives me my children, why would I want to cheat?

:hug: :hug: You are so sweet. I hope that you never do.

However, it's hard to maintain mystery after you've been vomiting all night into the toilet because of a stomach virus and when you've been up all night with a sick child or two or have swollen ankles from carrying his children.

And here's the other thing: Nobody can make anybody do anything. As thrilling as the wife may be, she can't make a man be faithful. That's the man's choice, not hers. That goes for women as well because women cheat and it's the same for them.

l_mac
12-02-2009, 11:10 PM
I think its possible. Maybe not domestic abuse, but something she did may have tipped the scales to make him cheat

Unless she forced him to cheat while holding a gun to his head, you cannot make an argument for "making" him cheat.

This is my point, though. Women know that men like the hunt and the excitement. Women know that men have needs. After getting married, the woman then expects the man to turn off all of his primal instincts like a simple light switch?

I think women need to do more (read: sexually) to keep their men from ever wanting to stray. If my wife is a mysterious and ridiculously sexy woman who gives me all of my sexual desires and gives me my children, why would I want to cheat?


:haha:

Women have needs and like the hunt too. I can't take any more of this.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 11:11 PM
I think its possible. Maybe not domestic abuse, but something she did may have tipped the scales to make him cheat.

i can tell you exactly what she did to make him cheat: she married him (getting knocked up prolly didn't help either)

I think women need to do more (read: sexually) to keep their men from ever wanting to stray. If my wife is a mysterious and ridiculously sexy woman who gives me all of my sexual desires and gives me my children, why would I want to cheat?

dude you're not getting it, this is irrelevant, she could have been sasha grey and it wouldn't have mattered... he's still gonna want the thrill of an entirely new and different person wanting his dick

Cloudygirl
12-02-2009, 11:13 PM
i can tell you exactly what she did to make him cheat: she married him (getting knocked up prolly didn't help either)



dude you're not getting it, this is irrelevant, she could have been sasha grey and it wouldn't have mattered... he's still gonna want the thrill of an entirely new and different person wanting his dick


exactly and what about her needs.

TMJordan
12-02-2009, 11:17 PM
Tiger Woods is a giant doucher.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 11:17 PM
Why in hell did Tiger marry?

forrealz, if i was him i never would get married, he shoulda done it jeter-style instead of cheater-style :sport:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/gallery/minka-kelly/derek-jeter-minka-kelly.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/jeter_mariah.jpg http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/database/vanessaminnillo/vanessa_minnillo5_240.jpg

http://lesterslegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/marko-jarics-girlfriend.jpg

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 11:19 PM
Does he need to do anything to compel her to continue to want to fuck him? If so, what?

Keep giving her that good dick :p

I think if Tiger and his wife's sex life was off the chain and reallllly good from both sides, neither would want to cheat.

It's difficult to be mysterious when you've been together a long time and have kids together funnily enough.

That's true, but the mysterious part was just thrown in there as an afterthought :hug:

:hug: :hug: You are so sweet. I hope that you never do.

However, it's hard to maintain mystery after you've been vomiting all night into the toilet because of a stomach virus and when you've been up all night with a sick child or two or have swollen ankles from carrying his children.

And here's the other thing: Nobody can make anybody do anything. As thrilling as the wife may be, she can't make a man be faithful. That's the man's choice, not hers. That goes for women as well because women cheat and it's the same for them.

I guess I need to be married to really see the blunt effect that it has on one's libido.

Unless she forced him to cheat while holding a gun to his head, you cannot make an argument for "making" him cheat.

:haha:

Women have needs and like the hunt too. I can't take any more of this.

I'd really like it if you actually formed some kind of argument like the other girls in this thread instead of laughing like an idiot and then scurrying away :rolleyes:

And you wonder why you have the 3 seed for the ACC.

i can tell you exactly what she did to make him cheat: she married him (getting knocked up prolly didn't help either)



dude you're not getting it, this is irrelevant, she could have been sasha grey and it wouldn't have mattered... he's still gonna want the thrill of an entirely new and different person wanting his dick

I can understand the thrill of wanting a new and entirely new person wanting his dick, but I think this goes back to the fact that marriage in and of itself is something that is doomed to fail. Whether the man or the woman cheats.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 11:20 PM
I think if Tiger and his wife's sex life was off the chain and reallllly good from both sides, neither would want to cheat.

i think you are wrong

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 11:21 PM
i think you are wrong

And we will probably never agree on this :kiss:

star
12-02-2009, 11:22 PM
Keep giving her that good dick :p

I think if Tiger and his wife's sex life was off the chain and reallllly good from both sides, neither would want to cheat.



That's true, but the mysterious part was just thrown in there as an afterthought :hug:



I guess I need to be married to really see the blunt effect that it has on one's libido.



I'd really like it if you actually formed some kind of argument like the other girls in this thread instead of laughing like an idiot and then scurrying away :rolleyes:

And you wonder why you have the 3 seed for the ACC.



I can understand the thrill of wanting a new and entirely new person wanting his dick, but I think this goes back to the fact that marriage in and of itself is something that is doomed to fail. Whether the man or the woman cheats.

You're dead wrong. But, we'll never convince you. Time and thought may.

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 11:23 PM
Keep giving her that good dick :p

I think if Tiger and his wife's sex life was off the chain and reallllly good from both sides, neither would want to cheat.

Jon, do you know who Jay Grdina is? He was married to Jenna Jameson and was admittedly unfaithful to her many, many times during their relationship.

Explain the above to me again.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 11:23 PM
And we will probably never agree on this :kiss:

check back with me in 25 years :lol:

Gretchen.
12-02-2009, 11:24 PM
Apparently she doesn't wanna leave him.

Report: Tiger Woods, Wife in "Intense Marriage Counseling"

Tiger Woods may have let his family down, but according to a new report, his affairs with Jaimee Grubbs, Rachel Uchitel and other women haven't done enough damage to cause wife Elin Nordegren to leave.

Tiger isn't alone -- see sports' biggest scandals of all time!

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the two "have already begun intense marriage counseling." The therapy has allegedly been taking place at their home "with a counselor who has been conducting sessions several times daily."

The reason Nordegren isn't leaving her 33-year-old pro golfer husband? A "hefty seven-figure amount" of money promised to her if she stays.

According to the Sun-Times, a source close to the family said she demanded "a total rewrite on the couple's prenuptial agreement" that makes the "incentives" for her to remain Mrs. Tiger Woods more appealing.

The couple -- who have daughter Sam, 2, and son Charlie, 9 months -- have been married five years, and according to their current agreement, they need to remain married for 10 years in order for Nordegren to collect a divorce settlement of $20 million.

Thus, the updated prenup would likely be revised with a shortened marriage timeframe and a higher dollar amount.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/report-tiger-woods-wife-in-intense-marriage-counseling/32057

Corey Feldman
12-02-2009, 11:26 PM
only 20million of Tiger's billion? unreal

although i wouldnt say no to it, could get my mum a nice new ironing board for christmas with that

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 11:27 PM
i hope she had them add something in there about no penalties for her if she beats him up

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 11:27 PM
No surprise. Statistically, women don't leave their husbands over infidelity, especially when they have children together and when he is the primary means of financial support. Men will move toward divorcing a cheating spouse, women not so much.

Whether they like it or not, to a degree, all marriages are open. Mrs. Woods' situation is no different. Of course, there is a $$$ factor in her case. :lol:

Corey Feldman
12-02-2009, 11:28 PM
Apparently she doesn't wanna leave him.



Jen what would you do to a guy if he cheated on you

Dini
12-02-2009, 11:29 PM
If she wanted money then she'd get more by divorcing. But if that report is true, that she wants to stay, then I have no words. She's swallowed her pride big time by doing that. Maybe she's doing it for the children, but doing it because she wants money? :scratch: Isn't she getting loads already?

l_mac
12-02-2009, 11:31 PM
If she wanted money then she'd get more by divorcing. But if that report is true, that she wants to stay, then I have no words. She's swallowed her pride big time by doing that. Maybe she's doing it for the children, but doing it because she wants money? :scratch: Isn't she getting loads already?

She has her kids to think about. They probably take precedence over pride.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 11:32 PM
You're dead wrong. But, we'll never convince you. Time and thought may.

I guess.

At least I am prepared for when this situation arises later in my life :yeah:

Jon, do you know who Jay Grdina is? He was married to Jenna Jameson and was admittedly unfaithful to her many, many times during their relationship.

Explain the above to me again.

They are both porn stars and both cheated on each other, if I recall.

check back with me in 25 years :lol:

:yeah:

Apparently she doesn't wanna leave him.



http://omg.yahoo.com/news/report-tiger-woods-wife-in-intense-marriage-counseling/32057

Can't say I'm surprised at ALL with this.

TMJordan
12-02-2009, 11:33 PM
Isn't she getting loads already?

She's not the only one getting loads from Tiger.




Sorry I had to.

Dini
12-02-2009, 11:33 PM
She has her kids to think about. They probably take precedence over pride.

True.

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 11:34 PM
pffft if i was tiger she'd be in jail right now, lucky for her his bazillionty $ponsors would have him assassinated by the CIA if they thought he was gonna go public about getting beat up by a retired au pair

Gretchen.
12-02-2009, 11:35 PM
Jen what would you do to a guy if he cheated on you

Leave him.I don't tolerate or have any respect for people who commit to a person and then go running off with some other chick either cause they are unhappy with the relationship or aren't happy with one girl.If you want to be with someone else you leave your girlfriend and got with that person, you don't put other people in situations like this to make em feel bad about themselves, do you know how cheating can affect a person and how they trust other people.Most men usually also stay with their wives when they cheat cause of the fear of being left alone in the end.Cause one day the other girl will leave you and you will be alone.

I hope Elin isn't just staying for the money, hope that she is staying to try to make this better for the kids, who obviously Tiger wasn't thinking about. :o

Bibberz
12-02-2009, 11:37 PM
I'm seriously digging this thread title right about now.

I think women need to do more (read: sexually) to keep their men from ever wanting to stray. If my wife is a mysterious and ridiculously sexy woman who gives me all of my sexual desires and gives me my children, why would I want to cheat?

What if your wife is ridiculously mysterious, ridiculously sexy, and ridiculously infertile? Would you want to cheat just because you didn't have a Jon-Jon Jr. to play catch with? :awww:

although i wouldnt say no to it, could get my mum a nice new ironing board for christmas with that

:lol:

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 11:40 PM
I'm seriously digging this thread title right about now.



What if your wife is ridiculously mysterious, ridiculously sexy, and ridiculously infertile? Would you want to cheat just because you didn't have a Jon-Jon Jr. to play catch with? :awww:

Now this is a very difficult situation :awww:

I really don't know what I'd do.

What is the name of the process where the man donates his sperm into another woman and then she has the man's child? (No, not adultery, the one where there is no penetration :p)

That or adoption.

star
12-02-2009, 11:43 PM
I dunno. I think all that stuff about "I'd leave whoever cheated on me" changes when you have children. You want them to have a stable marriage.

My grandmother said to me: You stay through the bad times so you can have the good times.

If they can put things back together and heal and be happy, that's the best thing for their children.

Fee
12-02-2009, 11:46 PM
Did you know that Tiger Woods nickname has been changed? It is now "Cheetah".

Snoo Foo
12-02-2009, 11:48 PM
If they can put things back together and heal and be happy, that's the best thing for their children.

for some women that's a pretty big fucking if. and if the healing process involves chasing-daddy-around-the-yard-with-a-3-wood, i don't know if that's necessarily the best thing for the kids.

star
12-02-2009, 11:51 PM
for some women that's a pretty big fucking if. and if the healing process involves chasing-daddy-around-the-yard-with-a-3-wood, i don't know if that's necessarily the best thing for the kids.

That's part of what has to change.

I mean, sometimes, it can't be fixed. But, it's worth the effort.

And in this case worth it for Elin to get the bigger payout.

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 11:54 PM
If the prenup accounted her that money now, do you think she would already be out of there with the kids?

TMJordan
12-02-2009, 11:56 PM
Prenup doesn't mean shit. Tiger is still giving her a big chunk if she wants out.

Kitty de Sade
12-02-2009, 11:56 PM
They are both porn stars and both cheated on each other, if I recall.

He did, she did not. She had affairs with women, but that had been established at the start. No men for her, no women for him. Nice try.

What if your wife is ridiculously mysterious, ridiculously sexy, and ridiculously infertile? Would you want to cheat just because you didn't have a Jon-Jon Jr. to play catch with? :awww:


Score. :worship:

I dunno. I think all that stuff about "I'd leave whoever cheated on me" changes when you have children. You want them to have a stable marriage.

My grandmother said to me: You stay through the bad times so you can have the good times.

If they can put things back together and heal and be happy, that's the best thing for their children.

My mom attempted this maneuver for the sake of her children. Worked like a charm, provided you discount the fact that it essentially excused the infidelity, and the cycle repeated itself.

Fair idea, but I question whether or not it's really possible. For the duration of your marriage, you'll always know his (fill in at your leisure) was somewhere else, by design. Tough road. :shrug:

Did you know that Tiger Woods nickname has been changed? It is now "Cheetah".

Even for you, Fee. Come on. :rolleyes:

Ivanatis
12-02-2009, 11:57 PM
This is my point, though. Women know that men like the hunt and the excitement. Women know that men have needs. After getting married, the woman then expects the man to turn off all of his primal instincts like a simple light switch?

I think women need to do more (read: sexually) to keep their men from ever wanting to stray. If my wife is a mysterious and ridiculously sexy woman who gives me all of my sexual desires and gives me my children, why would I want to cheat?

what the fuck was that? quality arseclowning:yeah:

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 11:58 PM
He did, she did not. She had affairs with women, but that had been established at the start. No men for her, no women for him. Nice try.

Well that wasn't fair from the start :( :p

Johnny Groove
12-02-2009, 11:59 PM
what the fuck was that? quality arseclowning:yeah:

And yet I lost first round.

Go figure.

DrJules
12-02-2009, 11:59 PM
If she wanted money then she'd get more by divorcing. But if that report is true, that she wants to stay, then I have no words. She's swallowed her pride big time by doing that. Maybe she's doing it for the children, but doing it because she wants money? :scratch: Isn't she getting loads already?

We do not know all the factors and issues in their relationship. Much I assume remains private and makes it difficult to accurately judge her decision.

Fee
12-03-2009, 12:01 AM
I think women need to do more (read: sexually) to keep their men from ever wanting to stray. If my wife is a mysterious and ridiculously sexy woman who gives me all of my sexual desires and gives me my children, why would I want to cheat?

Jon this might be the single most naive statement that I've ever seen you post on this forum. In a way, it's okay considering your age and lack of experience with long term, seriously committed relationships. Marriage is a two way street and it is not about a women's ability to open the door to her husband every day already on her knees, wearing a French maid's outfit with her mouth open and tongue out. Any woman who gives you all the children you want isn't going to have time to be your personal superfreak unless you are willing to pay for 24/7 nannies (male, considering your implied level of horniness), children are a full time job.

Men cheat for different reasons, and its not just because they are bored and not getting it at home. Some need the ego boost, they need to feel powerful and desirable at every turn (and I suspect this might be part of Tiger's problem). Some need the thrill from the risk tasking, getting away with something dangerous, tempting fate with getting caught. Some are just flat out horndogs who just want to get off 3 times a day and don't care who with (and those types should never get married). I'm sure there are many more reasons, and I'm sure that all of these reasons apply to women too.

Johnny Groove
12-03-2009, 12:07 AM
Jon this might be the single most naive statement that I've ever seen you post on this forum. In a way, it's okay considering your age and lack of experience with long term, seriously committed relationships. Marriage is a two way street and it is not about a women's ability to open the door to her husband every day already on her knees, wearing a French maid's outfit with her mouth open and tongue out. Any woman who gives you all the children you want isn't going to have time to be your personal superfreak unless you are willing to pay for 24/7 nannies (male, considering your implied level of horniness), children are a full time job.

Men cheat for different reasons, and its not just because they are bored and not getting it at home. Some need the ego boost, they need to feel powerful and desirable at every turn (and I suspect this might be part of Tiger's problem). Some need the thrill from the risk tasking, getting away with something dangerous, tempting fate with getting caught. Some are just flat out horndogs who just want to get off 3 times a day and don't care who with (and those types should never get married). I'm sure there are many more reasons, and I'm sure that all of these reasons apply to women too.

I guess I don't understand Tiger's (or any other married man's) thinking because I'm not in his shoes. Your post painted a pretty accurate picture here.

But now I ask you this: What is the point of marriage if it causes all these problems? For both genders.

DrJules
12-03-2009, 12:07 AM
And yet I lost first round.

Go figure.

Normally you do the ACC PR before the event not after.

Cloudygirl
12-03-2009, 12:09 AM
Normally you do the ACC PR before the event not after.

re-match

Johnny Groove
12-03-2009, 12:11 AM
Normally you do the ACC PR before the event not after.

re-match

Oh, well :p

There's always next year :shrug:

star
12-03-2009, 12:15 AM
My mom attempted this maneuver for the sake of her children. Worked like a charm, provided you discount the fact that it essentially excused the infidelity, and the cycle repeated itself.

Fair idea, but I question whether or not it's really possible. For the duration of your marriage, you'll always know his (fill in at your leisure) was somewhere else, by design. Tough road. :shrug:





Everybody is different. There are cultures where men cheat and women look the other way because that's what they expect. Obviously, it's different here. I think some women can tolerate the cheating (Hillary Clinton)because of other strengths in the marriage. Some can't. I don't say either is wrong.

Also, some men reform. They don't cheat again. Other men can't stop. That makes a difference too. If Tiger can stop (huge, to borrow his word, question mark there,) it's worth it to try to make it work. If he can't, then she needs to evaluate again.

I've not been faced with this problem, so I don't know how I would react. My grandmother didn't face it either as far as I know.

And yet I lost first round.

Go figure.

But if the vote were held today???? :)

l_mac
12-03-2009, 12:15 AM
Jon this might be the single most naive statement that I've ever seen you post on this forum. In a way, it's okay considering your age and lack of experience with long term, seriously committed relationships.



There's still hope for Jonathon though. :hug: He seems to want to understand.

Cloudygirl
12-03-2009, 12:16 AM
A couple of months I was having a drink with a friend, talking through the breakdown of my relationship and this guy who had been eavesdropping (mid thirties at the youngest) told me that I could have saved the relationship if I had given my bf a blowjob every day as soon as he came home. :yeah:


did you resist the urge to smack him.

l_mac
12-03-2009, 12:18 AM
did you resist the urge to smack him.

:confused: Huh? I went home with him, so grateful was I for the golden advice. :worship:

Johnny Groove
12-03-2009, 12:19 AM
But if the vote were held today???? :)

Who knows? :p

Maybe I wouldn't have lost by one vote :D

A couple of months I was having a drink with a friend, talking through the breakdown of my relationship and this guy who had been eavesdropping (mid thirties at the youngest) told me that I could have saved the relationship if I had given my bf a blowjob every day as soon as he came home. :yeah:

There's still hope for Jonathon though. :hug: He seems to want to understand.

:spit:

I don't think giving the man a blowjob everyday would have saved the relationship (although he probably would have stuck around longer). Relationships are complex. Sure, great sex can mask a lot of problems, but couples need to find the root cause of the problem in order to fix it.

Cloudygirl
12-03-2009, 12:21 AM
:confused: Huh? I went home with him, so grateful was I for the golden advice. :worship:

you are a wise woman :yeah:

Fee
12-03-2009, 12:26 AM
I guess I don't understand Tiger's (or any other married man's) thinking because I'm not in his shoes. Your post painted a pretty accurate picture here.

But now I ask you this: What is the point of marriage if it causes all these problems? For both genders.

The point of marriage is up to the individuals involved to decide, at least in this country (and many others).

Marriage is not a license to unlimited sex. Never has been, never will be. You want unlimited sex, move to Vegas and set up an account with a licensed brothel and work hard to support your habit.

Linda, perhaps your relationship would have survived if HE had met you at the door every day on HIS knees with his tongue out. Tell that to the next anonymous punk that dares to interrupt you in a pub.

star
12-03-2009, 12:27 AM
A couple of months I was having a drink with a friend, talking through the breakdown of my relationship and this guy who had been eavesdropping (mid thirties at the youngest) told me that I could have saved the relationship if I had given my bf a blowjob every day as soon as he came home. :yeah:



And....... then it would be... if you had been kneeling at the door waiting to give him the bj when he came home .... and then kneeling at the door naked ... and then ....

there's always something.

But I wonder if it's really sex that breaks up relationships.

l_mac
12-03-2009, 12:27 AM
:)

tangerine_dream
12-03-2009, 12:29 AM
Why do guys even bother to ask women to give them blowjobs when they know their best mate could do it better? :shrug:

Snoo Foo
12-03-2009, 12:29 AM
Sure, great sex can mask a lot of problems, but couples need to find the root cause of the problem in order to fix it.

:confused: but if Tiger and his wife's sex life was off the chain and reallllly good from both sides, neither would want to cheat. right?

l_mac
12-03-2009, 12:31 AM
Why do guys even bother to ask women to give them blowjobs when they know their best mate could do it better? :shrug:

:lol:

Snoo Foo
12-03-2009, 12:33 AM
But I wonder if it's really sex that breaks up relationships.

a lot of times it's money, sometimes it's family stuff, but if a married dude is having sex with three different females who aren't his wife, there's a very good chance that in that situation, sex could break up the relationship

Johnny Groove
12-03-2009, 12:34 AM
:)

Before you deleted it :spit: :lol:

:confused: but if Tiger and his wife's sex life was off the chain and reallllly good from both sides, neither would want to cheat. right?

If a lackluster sex life was the root, yeah :p

~*BGT*~
12-03-2009, 12:43 AM
:lol:

http://i48.tinypic.com/nbon69.gif

prima donna
12-03-2009, 12:46 AM
:hug::lol:
:smooch:

Sjengster
12-03-2009, 01:07 AM
Why do guys even bother to ask women to give them blowjobs when they know their best mate could do it better? :shrug:

Because we appreciate the greater effort which a woman must of necessity put in, of course. And naturally one doesn't want to compromise the potential beauty and tenderness of a budding masculine friendship with spurious offers of blowjobbery.

JolánGagó
12-03-2009, 01:42 AM
Report: Tiger Woods, Wife in "Intense Marriage Counseling"

Tiger Woods may have let his family down, but according to a new report, his affairs with Jaimee Grubbs, Rachel Uchitel and other women haven't done enough damage to cause wife Elin Nordegren to leave.

Tiger isn't alone -- see sports' biggest scandals of all time!

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the two "have already begun intense marriage counseling." The therapy has allegedly been taking place at their home "with a counselor who has been conducting sessions several times daily."

The reason Nordegren isn't leaving her 33-year-old pro golfer husband? A "hefty seven-figure amount" of money promised to her if she stays.

According to the Sun-Times, a source close to the family said she demanded "a total rewrite on the couple's prenuptial agreement" that makes the "incentives" for her to remain Mrs. Tiger Woods more appealing.

The couple -- who have daughter Sam, 2, and son Charlie, 9 months -- have been married five years, and according to their current agreement, they need to remain married for 10 years in order for Nordegren to collect a divorce settlement of $20 million.

Thus, the updated prenup would likely be revised with a shortened marriage timeframe and a higher dollar amount.

:haha: talk about "love" :spit:

i think they must redo this pic:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9250/tigerwoodsfamily600x400.jpg

place must be found in it for the prenup...

star
12-03-2009, 01:43 AM
a lot of times it's money, sometimes it's family stuff, but if a married dude is having sex with three different females who aren't his wife, there's a very good chance that in that situation, sex could break up the relationship


Excellent chance! :lol: :lol:

Fee
12-03-2009, 02:03 AM
Because we appreciate the greater effort which a woman must of necessity put in, of course. And naturally one doesn't want to compromise the potential beauty and tenderness of a budding masculine friendship with spurious offers of blowjobbery.

I love you.

Jade Fox
12-03-2009, 02:14 AM
Interesting thread.:p

I think Jonathan what rankles a lot of people about your initial post, that makes it seem like it was Elin's fault for Tiger's infidelities, is that there's not only the case of your lack of actual relationship experience but also, the fact that women often get blamed for everything. ****, domestic violence, infidelity, you name it, we've been blamed for it. It's like we are not only responsible for our own actions but for the actions of everyone else. We're mothers, daughters, aunts, nieces, wives, girlfriends, coworkers etc. And in a man centered, patriarchal society like ours, this is rampant and great for men in general because well, they don't have to take the blame for anything. Boys will be boys after all. :rolleyes:

While I never had a huge emotional investment in Tiger Woods, I hope he is taking responsibility for his actions in private. No bullshitting his wife, no arrogance. Just own up to his mistakes and atone for them.

As for Roger well, he's probably got his own Gimp in the basement of his house. ;)

cobalt60
12-03-2009, 02:15 AM
I love you.

I told him that a long time ago and it didn't work. Good luck.

Fee
12-03-2009, 02:20 AM
I told him that a long time ago and it didn't work. Good luck.

Thanks, but I don't need anything in return except more brilliant posts like that to lighten my day (and add words like 'blowjobbery' to my vocab). :lol:



Right, I have to go out and get some dinner for us (because I wasn't on my knees when hubby got home from work today and because I don't feel like cooking tonight). Wok unlimited to the rescue!

cobalt60
12-03-2009, 02:30 AM
Thanks, but I don't need anything in return except more brilliant posts like that to lighten my day (and add words like 'blowjobbery' to my vocab). :lol:



Right, I have to go out and get some dinner for us (because I wasn't on my knees when hubby got home from work today and because I don't feel like cooking tonight). Wok unlimited to the rescue!

Ah I have you beat; I sent hubby out to pick up Thai;) And no I did not meet him at the door when he brought it home.

JolánGagó
12-03-2009, 02:49 AM
me thinks ACC should start all over again from the begining...

And no I did not meet him at the door when he brought it home.

:lol:

betowiec
12-03-2009, 03:13 AM
you can buy love with $ :)

Fee
12-03-2009, 03:34 AM
Ah I have you beat; I sent hubby out to pick up Thai;) And no I did not meet him at the door when he brought it home.

Well I'm not working right now, he is, so the least I can do is go out and pick up Chinese takeaway for the professor so he can grade papers and exams all night.

Ilovetheblues_86
12-03-2009, 03:38 AM
you can buy love with $ :)

The ugly T. Woods did it.

Getta
12-03-2009, 03:42 AM
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9250/tigerwoodsfamily600x400.jpg

it was there somewhere all the time

fast_clay
12-03-2009, 03:52 AM
As for Roger well, he's probably got his own Gimp in the basement of his house. ;)

yes roddick sometimes hangs out with fed...

Minn
12-03-2009, 04:03 AM
Part of Tiger's official statement today:

Personal sins should not require press releases and problems within a family shouldn't have to mean public confessions.

"Whatever regrets I have about letting my family down have been shared with and felt by us alone. I have given this a lot of reflection and thought and I believe that there is a point at which I must stick to that principle even though it's difficult.

"I will strive to be a better person and the husband and father that my family deserves. For all of those who have supported me over the years, I offer my profound apology."

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=4705945

Clay Death
12-03-2009, 04:09 AM
he is a fucking tramp. a very bloody rich tramp at that.

and i am not buying any of these apologies. not now and not in the future either. that is just a little bit of damage control but he is liar and a cheat and always will be.

i can understand if it was just 1 woman but there are likely to 5 or more after all the dust settles down.

Action Jackson
12-03-2009, 09:13 AM
Jesper Parnevik, the guy who introduced Elin to Tiger.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12176_5742329,00.html

Parnevik's scathing attack
'We thought Woods was a better guy than he is' claims Swede

Ryder Cup ace Jesper Parnevik has broken ranks by launching a scathing attack on Tiger Woods.

World No.1 Woods was forced to issue an apology on Wednesday for letting his "family down" following a series of allegations over his private life.

The speculation has mounted after the 33-year-old was involved in a one-car accident outside his Florida home in the early hours of November 27 and required hospital treatment for facial lacerations, cuts and bruises.

And while a number of players have rallied around Woods, Swedish golfer Parnevik, a three-time member of the European Ryder Cup side, has been angered by what has gone on.

The 44-year-old has claimed he only has sympathy for Woods' wife Elin particularly as he introduced the former model to the 14-time major winner.

Parnevik told the Golf Channel: "I feel especially sad about it as I feel sorry for Elin as me and my wife are at fault for hooking her up with him. We probably thought he was a better guy than he is

"I probably would have to apologise to her and hope she uses a driver next time rather than a three-iron, I would say.

"It is a private thing, of course. But when you are the guy he is, when you are the world's best athlete, you should think little bit more before you do stuff."

R.Federer
12-03-2009, 09:27 AM
This guy and his behavior reminds me of Eliot Spitzer for I don't know what reason. Had everything going for him, had everything to lose and was almost trying to get caught by behaving in this bizzare fashion hooking up all over the place.

R.Federer
12-03-2009, 10:01 AM
I thought she vehemently denied it. What's she going to say ...?


Rachel Uchitel to break silence on relationship with Tiger Woods

Rachel Uchitel, the nightclub hostess accused of having an affair with Tiger Woods, is expected to break her silence about her relationship with the golfer later today.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/tigerwoods/6715896/Rachel-Uchitel-to-break-silence-on-relationship-with-Tiger-Woods.html

JolánGagó
12-03-2009, 10:10 AM
Ryder Cup ace Jesper Parnevik has broken ranks by launching a scathing attack on Tiger Woods.
.....
Parnevik told the Golf Channel: "I feel especially sad about it as I feel sorry for Elin as me and my wife are at fault for hooking her up with him. We probably thought he was a better guy than he is

"I probably would have to apologise to her and hope she uses a driver next time rather than a three-iron, I would say.

"It is a private thing, of course. But when you are the guy he is, when you are the world's best athlete, you should think little bit more before you do stuff."

What a clown, totally out of place statement. If he feels he and wife should apologize to Elin do it in private, there is no f*cking need to go on TV about it, it is a private thing of another couple, not your frigging business to rant about for everyone to know... not to mention it's highly stupid to think one bear any "responsibility" for how couples one once introduced behave several years, two kids and a few mistresses later.

R.Federer
12-03-2009, 10:16 AM
Not sure about the legitimacy of Tmz, but who cares!


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/12/1202_tiger_rachel.jpgTiger Woods' alleged mistress claims she was lying when she said she did not have an affair with Tiger Woods ... and sources tell TMZ the fight at Tiger's home the morning of the crash was triggered by a series of text messages between Tiger and the woman.

Rachel Uchitel has publicly denied she had sexual relations with Tiger Woods, but we've learned she has said she did indeed have an affair with the golfer. And, we're told it was her -- not Jaimee Grubbs -- who caused an argument between Tiger and his wife, Elin Nordegren, that immediately preceded Tiger's SUV crash.

Sources say less than an hour before Tiger's accident, Rachel and Tiger were texting each other. Elin confronted Tiger and asked whom he was texting. She grabbed the phone and we're told she called Rachel to confront her. According to sources, Tiger and Elin began arguing and the phone broke in the process.

We're also told there was damage as a result of the altercation in the vestibule area of Tiger's home -- damage that cannot be easily repaired, and that is why Tiger would not let police come in.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0YcS5BTQM (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0YcS5BTQM)

R.Federer
12-03-2009, 10:22 AM
Allegedly, he also added:


Parnevik says Tiger may have taken his Nike credo too far and that next time, "Maybe not just do it."






Jesper Parnevik, the guy who introduced Elin to Tiger.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12176_5742329,00.html

Parnevik's scathing attack
'We thought Woods was a better guy than he is' claims Swede

Ryder Cup ace Jesper Parnevik has broken ranks by launching a scathing attack on Tiger Woods.

World No.1 Woods was forced to issue an apology on Wednesday for letting his "family down" following a series of allegations over his private life.

The speculation has mounted after the 33-year-old was involved in a one-car accident outside his Florida home in the early hours of November 27 and required hospital treatment for facial lacerations, cuts and bruises.

And while a number of players have rallied around Woods, Swedish golfer Parnevik, a three-time member of the European Ryder Cup side, has been angered by what has gone on.

The 44-year-old has claimed he only has sympathy for Woods' wife Elin particularly as he introduced the former model to the 14-time major winner.

Parnevik told the Golf Channel: "I feel especially sad about it as I feel sorry for Elin as me and my wife are at fault for hooking her up with him. We probably thought he was a better guy than he is

"I probably would have to apologise to her and hope she uses a driver next time rather than a three-iron, I would say.

"It is a private thing, of course. But when you are the guy he is, when you are the world's best athlete, you should think little bit more before you do stuff."

MJ angel
12-03-2009, 11:50 AM
This thread is so full of macho-men , damm...!

scoobs
12-03-2009, 12:17 PM
Naughty Tiger, using his wood on another woman's fairway