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London RR: Federer outclasses Murray 3-6, 6-3, 6-1

habibko
11-24-2009, 10:56 PM
beautiful attacking tennis from the start of the 2nd set, Fed firing on all cylinders, Murray never had a chance once the demolition started :banana: :rocker2: :devil:

another broken spirit, tell me it's another mental midget and choker you haters!! :haha: :haha:

go for the title Roger :worship:

whattheheck
11-24-2009, 10:57 PM
A great match to watch. Federer coming back to his best in the latter stages.

TheBoiledEgg
11-24-2009, 10:57 PM
well done Roger :bounce: :woohoo:

great comeback to win

rocketassist
11-24-2009, 10:57 PM
If Andy Murray is gonna win a grand slam, he is gonna need Roger Federer to go out of it before he meets him, or pull out.

Simples.

Allegretto
11-24-2009, 10:57 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2267/2413215395_b5f2de35be.jpg?v=0

habibko
11-24-2009, 10:57 PM
Fed king of comebacks this week, what a Spartan!

TheBoiledEgg
11-24-2009, 10:57 PM
still Roger cant afford to lose to Del Potro or he's out if Murray wins 2-0

l_mac
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Brilliant second set from Federer. :worship:

Murray :retard: Injured?

tennizen
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Murray deserves all the insults he gets from Federer. Useless mug

siddy
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Mostly terrific play second set onwards -- Roger just raised his game a few notches and Murray imploded. Is the Year-end #1 a done deal now?

scarecrows
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
niiiiiiiice


he'll still need to beat Del Potro to qualify though

phelbyn
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Well done Fed! At now there is no more talk about the #1 ranking! Well done!!!!!!!!!!

:worship::worship::worship:

:worship::worship::worship:

jonas
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Well that was a nice performance from Federer in the last two sets. Best I've seen in a while. Not a great match overall, however.

FiBeR
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
good for the game (And i dont usually say this crap).

Now anything can happen in the group.

If verdasco upsets murray or del potro upsets federer this could be interesting.

scarecrows
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Is the Year-end #1 a done deal now?

yup :yeah:

cakedraw
11-24-2009, 10:59 PM
this was AMAZING!

Sophocles
11-24-2009, 10:59 PM
Is that Fed's first indoors win against Murray? Or was Bangkok indoors? Anyway great win for him, proved himself right about attacking well etc. Used slice superbly, served well after 1st set, played excellently at the net, some great big forehands, even some decent topspin backhands. Murray fell away a bit after 1st set and hit way too many double faults, but fck it, who cares? Number One again!

tkr
11-24-2009, 10:59 PM
TMF stuff in 2nd and 3rd. Great stuff!

Tennis wins again!

EnriqueIG8
11-24-2009, 10:59 PM
still Roger cant afford to lose to Del Potro or he's out if Murray wins 2-0

ATP site says winner of this is through to the Semi's :confused:

SerenaFederer
11-24-2009, 10:59 PM
:bounce: thank you GOAT!!! now beat del pruny

castle007
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Awesome match from Federer :) He has locked the year end number 1 ranking! And he does it by staging a comeback and playing aggressive tennis!! :D

GOAT

munZe konZa
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
murray was asleep, he didn't want to be there

Dini
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Sure that the third set score is right?! :sobbing:

jonas
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
still Roger cant afford to lose to Del Potro or he's out if Murray wins 2-0

Nah, if Fed takes a set it will be game count, and Roger has way better ratio than Murray and Delpo.

madmax
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
well done champ, show these young punks how it's done old school baby...:devil: Now demolish that lingering lumberjack and the mission will be accomplished.

Clydey
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Outclasses. :lol:

It was a 3 set match.

Habibko's sycophancy aside, Murray just couldn't match Federer tonight. He didn't maintain his first set level, while Federer found his forehand and his serve.

Murray's second serve is a huge problem now. He is under so much pressure that he throws in a truckload of double faults. Sets 2 and 3 were a horror show from Andy, though. Needs to sort out his forehand and second serve ASAP.

Great match from Federer, though. Final set was awesome.

prima donna
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
One word: mediocrity.

LocoPorElTenis
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
ATP site says winner of this is through to the Semi's :confused:

ATP site = wrong

TheBoiledEgg
11-24-2009, 11:01 PM
ATP site says winner of this is through to the Semi's :confused:


they havent got a clue

nanoman
11-24-2009, 11:01 PM
NinjaFed appeared in the 2nd set and for once stayed till the very end.
Murray was utter crap in the 3rd when he realised Fed is not going to hand it to him this time.

freeandlonely
11-24-2009, 11:01 PM
Roger:yeah:
Losing crappy first set, good strategy.:lol:

Riffrizzle
11-24-2009, 11:02 PM
Federer again with the final set ramp-up.

timafi
11-24-2009, 11:03 PM
Simon Reed suck on that!
Roger deserved world # 1:bowdown:
as for Murray shut your arrogant NO slam ass until you surpass Federer's 15 and a big http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0248.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)you too while I'm at it and kiss Roger'shttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0240.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-jumping-smileys.php)

EnriqueIG8
11-24-2009, 11:03 PM
niiiiiiiice


he'll still need to beat Del Potro to qualify though

What's up with this?

http://i45.tinypic.com/k4e7vs.jpg

munZe konZa
11-24-2009, 11:03 PM
Awesome match from Federer :) He has locked the year end number 1 ranking! And he does it by staging a comeback and playing aggressive tennis!! :D

GOAT

Enjoy it while it lasts, Nole will lock up #1 at Australian Open :D

Apemant
11-24-2009, 11:03 PM
Nah, if Fed takes a set it will be game count, and Roger has way better ratio than Murray and Delpo.

Wrong.

If Fed takes a set, BUT Murray wins in TWO - then Fed is out. Why? Because then him and Del Potro will have the same sets win/loss, but Murray will top them both. Hence Murray is automatically 1st, so there's no loop, but the winner of Del Pony vs. Federer match is second, regardless of games won.

:devil:

philosophicalarf
11-24-2009, 11:03 PM
Murray turned up without a serve, and made more errors than Fed. He's not looked confident in his game since the comeback in Valencia, but this was really the first time it was put under pressure, and he collapsed. 8 doublefauts.....oops.

Dini
11-24-2009, 11:04 PM
First 3rd set win for Fed over Murray?

LocoPorElTenis
11-24-2009, 11:04 PM
What's up with this?

http://i45.tinypic.com/k4e7vs.jpg

Once again mate, the atp website is just plain wrong about that. High chance of qualifying? Yes. Automatic qualification. Nope. If Pony beats Fed in 2 and Murray beats Nando in 2, then Murray and Pony are through.

alter ego
11-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Love you Roger. Now go on and beat Del Pony.

Macbrother
11-24-2009, 11:05 PM
46% first serves in sure ain't gonna cut it when you're winning only 38% of your second serve points, Muggay. Not Federer's best day but he was absolutely clinical at the net, 20/25.

Rita
11-24-2009, 11:05 PM
'mon.

Clydey
11-24-2009, 11:05 PM
First 3rd set win for Fed over Murray?

Yeah. I expected it this time, though. Murray just wasn't playing well enough in that second set and Federer was serving brilliantly, so I expected more of the same in the 3rd. Couldn't really make an impression on the Federer serve.

Arkulari
11-24-2009, 11:06 PM
thanks for the b-day present Roger :hatoff:
great great great third set for him

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/125/rogeliomuzzawtf09.png (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/rogeliomuzzawtf09.png/)

«Ivan»
11-24-2009, 11:06 PM
2 evils,1 win,horrible evening in london.overall i'm glad.bigger evil(thanks to mr.feldman) lostttttttttttt.

3rd set-2nd serve points won-5-18 or 28%.disgusting for no.4:haha: what a retard.

prick(thanks to habibko) will see in sf or final what tennis is(thanks to nole).devil played well,quite average in 2nd 'n 3rd though(hate to say that)

cheers.

DJ Soup
11-24-2009, 11:06 PM
LOOOOOVELY!!!!

I love Roger and his game, man.
THIS IS TENNIS.

I think Roger has Murray figured out.
He knows how to attack him.

ClaudiuS
11-24-2009, 11:06 PM
Enjoy it while it lasts, Nole will lock up #1 at Australian Open :D

I believe the upcoming summer in Australia will be hotter than ever, no way he can reach the Number 1 there. :shrug: Do you remember his "breathing problems"?

Certinfy
11-24-2009, 11:07 PM
:haha: murray :yeah:

habibko
11-24-2009, 11:07 PM
Sure that the third set score is right?! :sobbing:

oh yes it is, Fed never let go at that service game, he DESIRED a breadstick :devil:

GOAT match, he still schools 'em youngsters even after he did everything to be done, will never forget it :worship:

EnriqueIG8
11-24-2009, 11:07 PM
Once again mate, the atp website is just plain wrong about that. High chance of qualifying? Yes. Automatic qualification. Nope. If Pony beats Fed in 2 and Murray beats Nando in 2, then Murray and Pony are through.

Thanks for clearing this out. I overlooked your first reply...
Anyways great win for Roger. 2nd and 3rd set were really good!

Andi-M
11-24-2009, 11:07 PM
OutPlayed. FedGoat showed up.

Sucky attitude from Muz in 3rd set.

This group is really interesting. Anything could happen 6-1 spanking in final set wont help if it comes down to games won. Muz has to beat Nando in 2 I fear.

«Ivan»
11-24-2009, 11:08 PM
LOOOOOVELY!!!!


THIS IS TENNIS.



:haha: among kids perhaps.

Garson007
11-24-2009, 11:08 PM
Murray's serve sucks. :lol:

Clydey
11-24-2009, 11:08 PM
On the plus side, I won Ł30 for betting on Fed and Pony. Nice consolation. :lol:

Clydey
11-24-2009, 11:09 PM
OutPlayed. FedGoat showed up.

Sucky attitude from Muz in 3rd set.

This group is really interesting. Anything could happen 6-1 spanking in final set wont help if it comes down to games won. Muz has to beat Nando in 2 I fear.

I expect Federer to beat Pony, so I don't see sets and games being an issue.

freeandlonely
11-24-2009, 11:10 PM
ATP site = wrong

Indeed. They have been wrong more than enough times. It should not happen at any pro sports official website.

Bilbo
11-24-2009, 11:10 PM
what a player this federer

«Ivan»
11-24-2009, 11:10 PM
I believe the upcoming summer in Australia will be hotter than ever, no way he can reach the Number 1 there. :shrug: Do you remember his "breathing problems"?

up in clowns list,imediately.

nobama
11-24-2009, 11:10 PM
Congrats Roger on beating the best tactician in the game. :hatoff: Now don't play a WTF match against JDMP. :o

Rosa Luxembourg
11-24-2009, 11:10 PM
well done Roger.

Jōris
11-24-2009, 11:10 PM
In the first set Murray played a better game than against Del Potro. I guess the pressure of being the home favourite took over.

Vida
11-24-2009, 11:11 PM
I like the comparison some press-man made of andy murray and a shrink. he invites players to lay down, relax, and speak up, like 'show me what youve got and I'll diagnose your problem'. but sometimes, the 'problem' patient has is far too complex for this young doctor to solve.

fed :yeah:

scarecrows
11-24-2009, 11:11 PM
I expect Federer to beat Pony, so I don't see sets and games being an issue.

i believe so too

but better know all the possible scenarios beforehand

jonas
11-24-2009, 11:11 PM
Wrong.

If Fed takes a set, BUT Murray wins in TWO - then Fed is out. Why? Because then him and Del Potro will have the same sets win/loss, but Murray will top them both. Hence Murray is automatically 1st, so there's no loop, but the winner of Del Pony vs. Federer match is second, regardless of games won.

:devil:

Yup, I see you are right now. However, if Murray wins 2-1 and Delpo wins 2-1 then it will be game count between all three of them.

Andi-M
11-24-2009, 11:11 PM
I expect Federer to beat Pony, so I don't see sets and games being an issue.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

Dini
11-24-2009, 11:11 PM
Yeah. I expected it this time, though. Murray just wasn't playing well enough in that second set and Federer was serving brilliantly, so I expected more of the same in the 3rd. Couldn't really make an impression on the Federer serve.

He couldn't make much of an impression on Fed's serve and Roger just swung freely at every ball. A bit shocked not to see a reply from Murray though - he usually does everything he's able to do to put him self in the match but midway through the second you felt that he was down and out already.

Byrd
11-24-2009, 11:11 PM
Good match, unlucky Muzza. Well done to Fed for finding his balls in the 3rd set, and playing brilliant.

tealeaves
11-24-2009, 11:12 PM
Delpo, please beats Fed while Verdasco, this is my 1st time rooting for you against Andy :devil:

philosophicalarf
11-24-2009, 11:12 PM
In the first set Murray played a better game than against Del Potro. I guess the pressure of being the home favourite took over.

Murray can't maintain any intensity in any of his recent matches, he tends to get in the lead and lose the plot a bit - it even happened against the likes of Gimeno-T in Valencia. Today that coincided with Fed really finding his forehand, and on a day Murray essentially had no serve at all, so it became a bit one sided.

Bascule
11-24-2009, 11:13 PM
beautiful attacking tennis from the start of the 2nd set, Fed firing on all cylinders, Murray never had a chance once the demolition started :banana: :rocker2: :devil:

another broken spirit, tell me it's another mental midget and choker you haters!! :haha: :haha:

go for the title Roger :worship:

LOL for the "outclasses", Habib. He still lost a set.;)

And, yes, Murray is a mental midget comparing to Fed lately, you put it right, Roger broke his spirit in the second set. :haha:

justsumma
11-24-2009, 11:14 PM
Rather very composed throughout the match. I didn't see Roger emitting any emotions throughout. Good sign?

madmax
11-24-2009, 11:14 PM
and Fed still can't afford to lose in straights to Pony...however lose in three sends him through probably

Clydey
11-24-2009, 11:14 PM
He couldn't make much of an impression on Fed's serve and Roger just swung freely at every ball. A bit shocked not to see a reply from Murray though - he usually does everything he's able to do to put him self in the match but midway through the second you felt that he was down and out already.

He looked like he lost a bit of belief. Murray is such a great returner that when he isn't getting a sniff, it's bound to erode his confidence. He didn't look like he believed he could win that 3rd set.

Dini
11-24-2009, 11:14 PM
I thought Roger had to win three matches to secure Ye#1. :shrug: Or was that only the case if Rafa had gone undefeated and won the tournament? :confused:

Arkulari
11-24-2009, 11:15 PM
roger means business in this tournament, i don't think he's losing to juan and if he loses it'll be in three

Dini
11-24-2009, 11:15 PM
He looked like he lost a bit of belief. Murray is such a great returner that when he isn't getting a sniff, it's bound to erode his confidence. He didn't look like he believed he could win that 3rd set.

His body language in the first point of the third after DFing said it all.

ClaudiuS
11-24-2009, 11:16 PM
up in clowns list,imediately.

what? :lol: I'm just refreshing the memory from the Nole fans.

The clowns list should be filled with those guys. ;) But well why bother? after seeing how you write, it's almost impossible to think that you're able to understand my point.

bizzle
11-24-2009, 11:17 PM
Bleeeeehhh

Nole fan
11-24-2009, 11:17 PM
Murray was very nervous all through the match and Fed played some of his best tennis... finally. :yeah:

Andi-M
11-24-2009, 11:18 PM
roger means business in this tournament, i don't think he's losing to juan and if he loses it'll be in three

Knowing he is through he will be half arsed bout it. Which mesans he'll either play really well cos he feels no pressure, or he'll not try as much and we've seen Fed not caring Vs Bennetau and what happened there....Pony as exhausted as he is will be up for it. I think it could go either way.

Corey Feldman
11-24-2009, 11:20 PM
well played Fed, his form is a bit up and down but the signs are promising

Muzza playing like he has been for a while, just make sure you beat Verdasco son

Clydey
11-24-2009, 11:20 PM
Knowing he is through he will be half arsed bout it. Which mesans he'll either play really well cos he feels no pressure, or he'll not try as much and we've seen Fed not caring Vs Bennetau and what happened there....Pony as exhausted as he is will be up for it. I think it could go either way.

Federer isn't through yet, though. That's why I was saying that I expect him to beat DP.

cocrcici
11-24-2009, 11:20 PM
:sad:

doublebackhand
11-24-2009, 11:20 PM
its good to see Roger picking up his game after losing the first set. First serve was back and the rest of the game was flowing, never faced another break point in the last 2 sets.

this is gonna be a confidence booster and should be able to take out del Potro. revenge tastes sweet!

petar_pan
11-24-2009, 11:20 PM
Enjoy it while it lasts, Nole will lock up #1 at Australian Open :D

bs, last time he was in final of GS 2 years ago while federer has 4 GS finals this year and has ubnormal strike with consecutive semis.
for basel that was his first tournament after US Open while djokovic was in top form (many say form of his life) with final of 500 tournament and semis of 100 tournament before the tournament.
also djokovic has only one big win on GS in his life (against federer at Australian Open, btw many considered that he won because federer had mono and federer really played bad in that match)
federer murray and del potro will be in top form for AO (and maybe rafa).
all of them are better on GS in last one or two years.
and all of them had or have problems with injuries.

bravo federer

wally1
11-24-2009, 11:20 PM
Excellent from Federer in the 2nd and 3rd. I haven't seen him so aggressive for a long time, great netplay and was all over Murray's 2nd serve.

mystic ice cube
11-24-2009, 11:20 PM
Federer looked crazy good nearing the end of the match. It all depends if the same RF comes out against Delpo come the following day.

Brick Top
11-24-2009, 11:21 PM
Roger winning in 3.This is a surprise
Congratz

Corey Feldman
11-24-2009, 11:21 PM
2 evils,1 win,horrible evening in london.overall i'm glad.bigger evil(thanks to mr.feldman) lostttttttttttt.

3rd set-2nd serve points won-5-18 or 28%.disgusting for no.4:haha: what a retard.

prick(thanks to habibko) will see in sf or final what tennis is(thanks to nole).devil played well,quite average in 2nd 'n 3rd though(hate to say that)

cheers.STFU Borat :zzz:

Midnight Ninja
11-24-2009, 11:21 PM
I thought Roger had to win three matches to secure Ye#1. :shrug: Or was that only the case if Rafa had gone undefeated and won the tournament? :confused:

Precisely the case. The 3 match scenario was in case Nadal went undefeated.

pica_pica
11-24-2009, 11:22 PM
Roger :woohoo: :yeah: Congratz in beating Murray in front of his crowd, and congratz to be #1 in year-end ranking again. Must watch the replay later :D

Murray :hug: I'm not rooting for you but it's tough to lose like that in front of home crowd.

HarryMan
11-24-2009, 11:22 PM
Well play Fed, congrats legend. :D

freeandlonely
11-24-2009, 11:23 PM
Federer said to multiple media that he take this tour seriously.

wally1
11-24-2009, 11:24 PM
Murray :hug: I'm not rooting for you but it's tough to lose like that in front of home crowd.There was a heck of a lot of support for Federer too.

Andi-M
11-24-2009, 11:24 PM
Fed effectively needs 1 set to qualify right?

Arkulari
11-24-2009, 11:26 PM
There was a heck of a lot of support for Federer too.

it's always like that, Roger is a local practically everywhere in the world where he goes

Corey Feldman
11-24-2009, 11:26 PM
First 3rd set win for Fed over Murray?Yep, at the sixth attempt

'mon.;)

Sunset of Age
11-24-2009, 11:27 PM
I thought Roger had to win three matches to secure Ye#1. :shrug: Or was that only the case if Rafa had gone undefeated and won the tournament? :confused:

With Rafa losing yesterday and Roger winning today, the YE #1 is SECURED. Another one for the record books, tied with Lendl, the ONLY other guy ever to be able to reclaim the YE #1 after losing it in the entire open era. :worship:

What a match. After that craptastic 1st set - from BOTH, let that be clear - I thought he was toast. Both were serving horribly, but Murray managed to take advantage of it, whereas Federer... :o

But what entered the building thereafter? A completely different Mr. Federer. Suddenly all-guns-blazing, aggressive, good serving... I think Murray didn't really knew what hit him at the beginning of that second set to be honest, and he never recovered from it. Tasty breadstick as well :drool:, might come in handy should it indeed end up with it being a matter of games won to decide who goes through (as others have pointed out already, the ATP site is entirely WRONG about this matter, Federer is NOT yet sure of being in the semis).

What a performance from Federer in that 2nd and 3rd set. Haven't seen him like that for a very long time (outside of the slams I mean, of course). I personally despise the 'Spartan'-rubbish, but this was indeed a Spartan performance. :yeah:

Well done Roger! :hatoff:

Dini
11-24-2009, 11:27 PM
Yep, at the sixth attempt

:tape:

Better late than never, I guess.

jonas
11-24-2009, 11:32 PM
Fed effectively needs 1 set to qualify right?

If Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-0, then Delpo and Murray advances.
If Delpo beats Fed 2-0 and Murray wins 2-0 or 2-1, then Delpo and Murray advances.
If Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-1, then it's game count between the three of them that decides.

LocoPorElTenis
11-24-2009, 11:32 PM
Fed effectively needs 1 set to qualify right?

No. Apparently, if Murray beats Nando in 2 and Potro beats Fed, even 2-1, then Potro and Murray are through.
Fed will murder Pony anyway so it's a moot point.

DorianGray7
11-24-2009, 11:34 PM
Federer in no way is gonna get past Djokovic if he gets to the final.

He'll be toast and disgraced with a soul-crushing defeat like at Basel 2 weeks ago. It'll be downright watershred pathetic.

Can Federer even beat Djokovic anymore when he's losing to mugs like Del Petro, Tsonga, Benneteau left and right for the past 4 months? Face it he hasn't won a tournament since Cinncinnati and he's been going down HARD since the US Open.

RagingLamb
11-24-2009, 11:34 PM
thanks for the b-day present Roger :hatoff:
great great great third set for him

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/125/rogeliomuzzawtf09.png (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/rogeliomuzzawtf09.png/)

Didn't see the match unfortunately, but the serve stats don't look very good for Murray. He needs that first serve to go in.

Anyhow, well done Roger

Geo
11-24-2009, 11:36 PM
Federer :woohoo: :dance: :rocker2:

nice 6-1 beatdown in the 3rd :drool:



Murray hype :spit: he was lucky to have beaten Del Potro the other day :lol:

nobama
11-24-2009, 11:36 PM
Federer in no way is gonna get past Djokovic if he gets to the final.

He'll be toast and disgraced with a soul-crushing defeat like at Basel 2 weeks ago. It'll be downright watershred pathetic.

Can Federer even beat Djokovic anymore when he's losing to mugs like Del Petro, Tsonga, Benneteau left and right for the past 4 months? Face it he hasn't won a tournament since Cinncinnati and he's been going down HARD since the US Open.You musn't forget to take your meds. That's not a good thing. :o

dylan24
11-24-2009, 11:36 PM
this clown will end up w/ the same number of slam wins as henman.

Sunset of Age
11-24-2009, 11:36 PM
If Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-0, then Delpo and Murray advances.
If Delpo beats Fed 2-0 and Murray wins 2-0 or 2-1, then Delpo and Murray advances.
If Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-1, then it's game count between the three of them that decides.

This is correct.
Whatever happens, I don't care less after this great victory. :worship:

dylan24
11-24-2009, 11:36 PM
oh wait, he's still going to peak in a couple years..........

dodo
11-24-2009, 11:42 PM
Can Federer even beat Djokovic anymore when he's losing to mugs like Del Petro, Tsonga, Benneteau left and right for the past 4 months? Face it he hasn't won a tournament since Cinncinnati and he's been going down HARD since the US Open.

Definitely cannot beat Djokovic. I mean, he was on a 50-day no-win streak after US Open. What a mug! He is done for sure.

Voo de Mar
11-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Good for Verdasco he has still theoretical chances to qualify to the semis: Nando beats Murray 2-0, Federer beats Delpo 2-0 and Verdasco is in :D Obviously very unlikely. Murray will rather beat Nando, and Federer will play against Del Potro a "winner goes to the semifnal" match on the assumption that Murray won 2-0 against Nando :yeah:
I hope Murray will play against Nando in day session.

Andi-M
11-24-2009, 11:44 PM
If Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-0, then Delpo and Murray advances.
If Delpo beats Fed 2-0 and Murray wins 2-0 or 2-1, then Delpo and Murray advances.
If Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-1, then it's game count between the three of them that decides.

thnx

Bascule
11-24-2009, 11:46 PM
STFU Borat :zzz:

Borat :lol:

How do you feel about the match?

HarryMan
11-24-2009, 11:48 PM
The old guy still hasn't in him, doesn't he? :p

Sophocles
11-24-2009, 11:52 PM
Not a Spartan performance, but an Athenian one.

Actually, can we lay this Spartan stuff to bed once & for all? Sparta was an extremely unpleasant, primitive, savage society that produced nothing of value, ever. All they could do was fight (although their navy was crap compared to that of Athens), and they wouldn't even be remembered for that if Athenian historians hadn't written about it. The only decent thing they did was to protect Greek (i.e., Athenian) civilisation from the depredations of the Persians, but they managed to fuck up even that legacy by prosecuting the Peloponnesian War against Athens & her allies, which caused the decline of Greek culture. And Thermopylae aside, they generally fought battles from a position of strength and didn't take many prisoners; in other words, they were the opposite of heroic underdogs.

Corey Feldman
11-24-2009, 11:55 PM
Borat :lol:

How do you feel about the match?it doesnt make any difference it seems, Fed #1 now was the main thing

but they both need to qualie so both must win again on Thurs

Dini
11-24-2009, 11:56 PM
There was this point at deuce 4-2 in the second set, Roger serving... an amazing volley pick up. He may not be the best guy in the forecourt, but when you see shots like that, you wonder, well why isn't he? I'm glad he was able to find a way to control his forehand. Usually in Murray matches, his forehand consistency doesn't last longer for more than half a set - but today it was solid as rock in the last two. As soon as he started making more first serves everything fell into place and you just knew that he'd never lose it from there. After losing so many matches in deciders, this is a good turnaround (winning after losing first set in consecutive matches). JMDP has looked very good in large patches of his matches, and Fed shouldn't take anything for granted thinking he's found his form. It might cost him big time, but I'm sure revenge and pride will play a big part too. IF DelPo is to beat Roger on Thursday, then I expect it to be a close one.

And last but not least, tying another Lendl record is added bonus. Congrats. :hatoff:

Burrow
11-24-2009, 11:58 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2267/2413215395_b5f2de35be.jpg?v=0

David Brent :worship:

ChinoRios4Ever
11-24-2009, 11:58 PM
All motivation, this Fed.

Congrats on finishing the year #1. :yeah:

Burrow
11-24-2009, 11:59 PM
The old guy still hasn't in him, doesn't he? :p

has it

Sunset of Age
11-24-2009, 11:59 PM
There was this point at deuce 4-2 in the second set, Roger serving... an amazing volley pick up. He may not be the best guy in the forecourt, but when you see shots like that, you wonder, well why isn't he?

Should appear on YouTube asap. :worship:

And last but not least, tying another Lendl record is added bonus. Congrats. :hatoff:

I was a massive Lendl fan at that time, so I'm very happy to see Roger tieing that record today. Couldn't have happened to any a better player. :bounce:

fsoica
11-25-2009, 12:02 AM
rafa will do it also...

MurrayFan1
11-25-2009, 12:04 AM
He was outclassed tbh. The 1st set was quality, loads of beautiful rallies from both men, lots of spin and variety, really mixing it up. Federer really got into him in the last 2 sets. Brutal display in the end.

Sunset of Age
11-25-2009, 12:04 AM
rafa will do it also...

With matters being with him as they are right now (:sad:), and him having to defend some 6000+ points in the first half of the coming year, I wouldn't count on that too much. His - and Roger's for that matter - problem may most possibly be that Djokovic and Murray aren't that far behind Roger & Rafa anymore either. ;)
The struggle for #1 will be a very tight one in 2010, I think.

KoOlMaNsEaN
11-25-2009, 12:04 AM
GOOOOOOOOOO Roger! :)

3 more to go. I hope he keeps his focus against JMDP. It's easy to do after you've won ur 2 RR matches.

Too bad BBC smashed up their satelitte dish so we couldnt watch the 3rd

munZe konZa
11-25-2009, 12:04 AM
Murray was asleep , he looks depressed , maybe it's british weather

moulux
11-25-2009, 12:06 AM
rafa will do it also...

:rolleyes:

Nidhogg
11-25-2009, 12:06 AM
Signs of life from Federer in the last two sets. A nice show with good intent.

The slice seems to work well on this court. A poll on how many underspun backhands Fed will use against Delpo is all good business. I would be optimistic and say three skidders in total.

munZe konZa
11-25-2009, 12:07 AM
why do they play so late ,,,

Nole fan
11-25-2009, 12:07 AM
But Federer didn't look promising in the first set... too many ups and downs lately. No good.

Corey Feldman
11-25-2009, 12:08 AM
But Federer didn't look promising in the first set... too many ups and downs lately. No good.it takes us old men a while to get going

Sunset of Age
11-25-2009, 12:10 AM
But Federer didn't look promising in the first set... too many ups and downs lately. No good.

:lol: - 'didn't look promising'? He looked like GARBAGE. ;)
It was his amazing come-back after that first set that makes me denounce this match of his as 'spartan'. :spit:

munZe konZa
11-25-2009, 12:17 AM
But Federer didn't look promising in the first set... too many ups and downs lately. No good.

he only played good because Murray gave up and gave him the match. Federer enjoyed 2 victories that were given to him :p

recessional
11-25-2009, 12:21 AM
:hearts:

Midnight Ninja
11-25-2009, 12:23 AM
he only played good because Murray gave up and gave him the match. Federer enjoyed 2 victories that were given to him :p

Djokovic just outplayed Davydenko didn't he?

Yes Federer has been a shadow of himself but at least he SEEMS to be getting better in final sets mentally. His earlier form would be win the first set, become complacent in the next and lose. You have to give credit where credits due. Verdasco imploded but if it happens the second time, you have to give credit to Federer.

P.S. I like Djokovic after Federer as a player so I'm not a hater.

FiBeR
11-25-2009, 12:24 AM
If Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-0, then Delpo and Murray advances.
If Delpo beats Fed 2-0 and Murray wins 2-0 or 2-1, then Delpo and Murray advances.
If Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-1, then it's game count between the three of them that decides.

Federer= 32 - 22 (+10 games)
Murray= 25 - 26 (-1 games)
Del Potro= 27 - 31 (-4 games)

FiBeR
11-25-2009, 12:30 AM
King Fed will make SF if Delpo beats Fed 2-1 and Murray wins 2-1.

if delpo had closed it 6-2 or 6-3 against verdasco (lets say 6-2 when his first matchpoint came) he would be tied in games with Murray :( still murray would have the edge on h2h. :shrug: but well.. del potro needs to win 4 more games to outplay murray in games :shrug:

something like 6-3 6-7 6-4 (dpot) vs 1-6 6-4 6-3 (scot) could do it (or 2-6 , 6-4, 6-4.. anyway verdasco must doublebreak at least on the set he wins against murray and delpo must lose it closely with no breaks and have at least 1 break in each set that wins)

munZe konZa
11-25-2009, 12:31 AM
Djokovic just outplayed Davydenko didn't he?

Yes Federer has been a shadow of himself but at least he SEEMS to be getting better in final sets mentally. His earlier form would be win the first set, become complacent in the next and lose. You have to give credit where credits due. Verdasco imploded but if it happens the second time, you have to give credit to Federer.

P.S. I like Djokovic after Federer as a player so I'm not a hater.

Murray and Verdasco both capitulated before the finnish. Davydenko played way better ,see how he broke back in the 3rd set to 5-5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sscCxkgfcU

elessar
11-25-2009, 12:37 AM
Federer= 30 - 22 (+8 games)
Murray= 25 - 26 (-1 games)
Del Potro= 27 - 31 (-4 games)
32 (4+7+6+3+6+6)

SerenaFederer
11-25-2009, 12:39 AM
Murray and Verdasco both capitulated before the finnish. Davydenko played way better ,see how he broke back in the 3rd set to 5-5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sscCxkgfcU

see how davy then hit 4 straight errors to hand the break right back :lol:

Getta
11-25-2009, 12:40 AM
Not a Spartan performance, but an Athenian one.

Actually, can we lay this Spartan stuff to bed once & for all? Sparta was an extremely unpleasant, primitive, savage society that produced nothing of value, ever. All they could do was fight (although their navy was crap compared to that of Athens), and they wouldn't even be remembered for that if Athenian historians hadn't written about it. The only decent thing they did was to protect Greek (i.e., Athenian) civilisation from the depredations of the Persians, but they managed to fuck up even that legacy by prosecuting the Peloponnesian War against Athens & her allies, which caused the decline of Greek culture. And Thermopylae aside, they generally fought battles from a position of strength and didn't take many prisoners; in other words, they were the opposite of heroic underdogs.

this is a topic that has already been debated extensively on here (1 (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9205419&postcount=4841), 2 (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9205430&postcount=4842), 3 (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9205438&postcount=4843)) and rejected.

i felt like an idiot, that keeps ringing in my ear.

Nole fan
11-25-2009, 12:52 AM
this is a topic that has already been debated extensively on here (1 (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9205419&postcount=4841), 2 (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9205430&postcount=4842), 3 (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9205438&postcount=4843)) and rejected.

i felt like an idiot, that keeps ringing in my ear.

This is a case of too many guys watching 300. That's what Hollywood does to you. :rolleyes:

Dini
11-25-2009, 12:58 AM
Guardian also think he was "outclassed"

Clinical Roger Federer outclasses and outwits Andy Murray

Ichiban1920
11-25-2009, 12:58 AM
how is murray supposed to win a grand slam with his game?

habibko
11-25-2009, 01:05 AM
Guardian also think he was "outclassed"

copyright thieves :mad: :p

rocketassist
11-25-2009, 01:07 AM
how is murray supposed to win a grand slam with his game?

He has to avoid Federer, or he won't win one.

Dini
11-25-2009, 01:13 AM
gejVypJm5K0

Around 4:34 is quite nice.

Art&Soul
11-25-2009, 01:54 AM
Congrats FedGOAT for year end #1 :worship::worship::worship::worship::worship: And take the title, Champ :yeah:

sawan66278
11-25-2009, 02:05 AM
Have to give it to him: Federer, for me, has proven to be in a class all by himself. An impressive validation of his top status: whipping the Scot in the third to clinch the top ranking. Congrats to he and all his fans...well done.

Deivid23
11-25-2009, 02:15 AM
Some pretty good stuff from Federer from 2nd set onwards

tektonac
11-25-2009, 02:31 AM
someone must have left the arena door open and cold air completely derailed muggay. :eek:

SaFed2005
11-25-2009, 02:35 AM
Where is Clydey?

Does Murray have the best slice in the game today?

I wonder what happened.

petar_pan
11-25-2009, 02:36 AM
this was outclassing

malisha
11-25-2009, 02:37 AM
very good tennis from Federer

but keep your chin up Andrew..you still need to qualify

Clydey
11-25-2009, 02:47 AM
Where is Clydey?

Does Murray have the best slice in the game today?

I wonder what happened.

I'm right here. Look through the thread and you'll see my posts.

And I didn't say that Murray has the best slice in the game. As for what happened, Murray got outplayed.

Sunset of Age
11-25-2009, 02:49 AM
I'm right here. Look through the thread and you'll see my posts.

And I didn't say that Murray has the best slice in the game. As for what happened, Murray got outplayed.

Fair assesment, Clydey. I didn't see it coming at all after Muzza took that first set, et al.
In fact... I was shocked to see Feds coming back like he did. :eek:

Clydey
11-25-2009, 02:55 AM
Fair assesment, Clydey. I didn't see it coming at all after Muzza took that first set at all.
In fact... I was shocked to see Feds coming back like he did. :eek:

I saw it coming when Fed picked up his game towards the end of the 1st set. Murray got the break, but Federer was constantly in Andy's service games. It was a matter of time.

The incessant double faults didn't help Murray's cause either. He was terrifed of Federer spanking his second serve for a winner and he kept producing needless doubles.

Sunset of Age
11-25-2009, 03:02 AM
I saw it coming when Fed picked up his game towards the end of the 1st set. Murray got the break, but Federer was constantly in Andy's service games. It was a matter of time.

The incessant double faults didn't help Murray's cause either. He was terrifed of Federer spanking his second serve for a winner and he kept producing needless doubles.

Okay, there...

I really thought Feddie was cooked & boiled after that first set. :)

As you say, both of them seemed nervous and making a true mess out of their serve games. Eventually Feds smelled BLOOD and took it. Quite a surprise to me, and I guess, to a lot of other folks just the same! :eek:

I still don't harbour any doubts that Muzza will be able to get to the semis here. ;)

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-25-2009, 03:28 AM
Poor 0 GS pansy Murray, gets owned again

dabeast
11-25-2009, 03:30 AM
Once a champ, always a champ! Good job Roger. Keep it going for the next match.

Ugly Scot's volleys better than Fed? What a freakin joke. Whiny pusher totally outclassed.

SaFed2005
11-25-2009, 03:35 AM
I'm right here. Look through the thread and you'll see my posts.

And I didn't say that Murray has the best slice in the game. As for what happened, Murray got outplayed.

Interesting, I thought you were the one who argued that Murray's slice is far superior to that of Fed's.

Tchovs
11-25-2009, 03:38 AM
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd73/njiyans/ROGER/GENIUS-5.jpg

Clydey
11-25-2009, 03:44 AM
Interesting, I thought you were the one who argued that Murray's slice is far superior to that of Fed's.

Once again, completely false. I said that I think Murray has a better slice, but that I wouldn't argue with someone who disagreed, as I think it's a close call. At no time did I say that Murray's slice is far superior.

Secondly, Federer does not have the best slice on tour, and nor does Murray. Therefore, I did not argue that Murray has the best slice on tour.

Thirdly, what the fuck did tonight's result have to do with Federer's slice? Federer's forehand and Murray's inept serving won him the match.

Arkulari
11-25-2009, 03:45 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/25/atp-finals-andy-murray-roger-federer


Roger Federer reels in Andy Murray to show who is No1

• Federer turns on the power to win from behind
• Victory over Verdasco should take Murray through


London becomes Roger Federer. Having won the Wimbledon title for six of the last seven years, the Swiss came from a set down in the 02 Arena last night to beat Britain's Andy Murray 3-6, 6-3, 6-1 with a stunning display of sustained attacking tennis over two sets that sucked the lifeblood out of the Scot.

With one round of matches left in Group A of the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals this result did not decide anything, although it did guarantee that Federer, for the fifth time in the last six years, will finish the year as the world's No1. Nobody who watched him pulverise Murray in the final set would have ever been in any doubt.

Murray was inclined to blame himself, notably his serve – and there were eight double faults. "I didn't play well. It happens sometimes. If you miss so many first serves you put yourself under pressure and I made more mistakes than normal." That may be true but it should take nothing away from Federer's excellence. He forced Murray into errors and then went for the clean, swift kill in a manner that has sometimes eluded him in recent times.

The complications of the round-robin format mean that nothing will be decided until the final two matches tomorrow when Murray plays Spain's Fernando Verdasco and Federer meets Argentina's Juan Martín del Potro, the man who defeated him in this year's US Open final and who beat Verdasco 6-4, 3-6, 7-6 in yesterday's opening match.

"If I win in straight sets against Verdasco, then I have a great chance," said Murray. The odds are that Federer and Murray will reach Saturday's semi-finals or at least that is what the supporters would love to happen, preferably with Murray playing Federer again in Sunday's final in front of another capacity crowd of 17,500. That would be dream time in the 02.

Murray, ranked No4 in the world, had played beautifully in the opening set,save for dropping his opening service game. It was immediately apparent that both men were very much up for this encounter, with a real frisson of danger in the air.

The 22-year-old had won six of their previous nine meetings, though the one that had really mattered, the 2008 US Open final, went Federer's way with some ease. Murray was determined to make his point again and opened with such poise and assurance, his backhand continually catching Federer off balance, that it seemed he well might.

All the leading players know that attack is the best form of defence against Murray, who has the guile and steadiness of shot to prolong rallies to breaking point. The first contained 23 strokes, ending with a mis-timed forehand by the Scot. Federer bent low, his concentration deep as Murray served, and secured the break with a roar of delight. It was exactly the opening he would have wanted, only for two forehand errors to set Murray on the road to an immediate break back. A net-cord left him with an easy kill and all waslevel again, though this time Federer was winded, his initial confidence punctured.

Sensing the mood switch, and even though the crowd were by no stretch of the imagination partisan, Murray went for the big hammer serve, twice reaching 133 mph. Then in the sixth game, with Federer double faulting for 0-30, Murray took control of the set at 4-2. Or so it seemed. Suddenly it was Murray under pressure and at 15-30 on his second serve a voice from the crowd halted him in mid-service action. He duly double faulted but to his great credit settled himself and managed to hold.

Federer is the great genius of modern tennis, having won every grand slam title and a record 15 in total. Murray barely had time to savour his advantage before the Swiss was at his throat, serving with a verve and accuracy to which Murray could find no response, and hitting winners of stupendous accuracy, freedom, and power.

Murray's hairline cracks widened in the sixth game as Federer broke for 4-2 and levelled the match. Both sets had taken 42 minutes, though it had seemed the Swiss, now in full flow, had won the second much more quickly.

Time was an illusion. Murray briefly managed to cling to the wreckage at the start of the third but all thoughts of stemming Federer's inexorable flow were quickly banished. This was Federer in his pomp.

Bagelicious
11-25-2009, 03:56 AM
Thanks for posting!

Mimi
11-25-2009, 04:11 AM
poor Murray, loses face in front of home crowd :o. I think if Roger is "determined" to beat Murray, then most probably he would win :angel:

Mimi
11-25-2009, 04:13 AM
oh wait, he's still going to peak in a couple years..........

the loyal fed fan dylan is back ;). You have been using the same avator from the day you joined till now, very loyal :p

Fedexex
11-25-2009, 04:46 AM
welldone Roger:hearts:
great win!

Art&Soul
11-25-2009, 06:18 AM
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd73/njiyans/ROGER/GENIUS-5.jpg

:hearts::yeah::hearts:

FedererBulgaria
11-25-2009, 07:13 AM
:worship: Love this win

Foxy
11-25-2009, 07:24 AM
Murray is badly injured as I said before the group draw. So it doesn't count.

Dini
11-25-2009, 07:32 AM
Murray is badly injured as I said before the group draw. So it doesn't count.

:baby: :baby: :baby:

Foxy
11-25-2009, 07:38 AM
:baby: :baby: :baby:

Wishing and enjoying player's injury is as low as you could get. :confused:

freeandlonely
11-25-2009, 07:39 AM
Murray is badly injured as I said before the group draw. So it doesn't count.

yeah, a lot of tennis matches results don't count, isn't it?

Dini
11-25-2009, 08:09 AM
Wishing and enjoying player's injury is as low as you could get. :confused:

Who the hell wished on a player's injury? :confused: Murray is not injured, so stop making excuses in a match where Murray was completely outplayed for the vast majority of it. But I guess this is Foxy I'm talking to a.k.a "Nadal is always injured when he loses, and Federer can only beat injured players so none of them count". You need help, and I mean that.

Mimi
11-25-2009, 08:12 AM
Wishing and enjoying player's injury is as low as you could get. :confused:
i don't think she is enjoying Murray's injury. A win is a win, so better accept that the winner plays better. Its better to be a gracious loser :angel:

Acer
11-25-2009, 08:34 AM
Wishing and enjoying player's injury is as low as you could get. :confused:

Being bitter AND irrelevant is as low as anyone could get

cakedraw
11-25-2009, 08:39 AM
Murray injured? get out :rocker2:

Apemant
11-25-2009, 09:04 AM
Okay, there...

I really thought Feddie was cooked & boiled after that first set. :)

As you say, both of them seemed nervous and making a true mess out of their serve games. Eventually Feds smelled BLOOD and took it. Quite a surprise to me, and I guess, to a lot of other folks just the same! :eek:

I still don't harbour any doubts that Muzza will be able to get to the semis here. ;)

Murray still depends just on his own tennis, likewise Del Potro. Verdasco however, must pray Federer also beats Del Potro, to have any chances. So he doesn't depend just on himself, unlike the other three of them.

Anyhow, if Murray beats Verdasco in 2, he is certain to qualify. Even Murray doesn't know that :haha: he only said he had 'great chances' in that scenario.

Commander Data
11-25-2009, 09:51 AM
Very good for Fed. Finally beating Murray in the 3rd and securing end of year no. 1.
Some help from Murray in the 3rd though, thanks Andy.
Fed looks pretty fired up should be able to beat pony too.
happy.

Tutu
11-25-2009, 09:53 AM
Pusher Murray. :bigwave::wavey:

Commander Data
11-25-2009, 10:09 AM
he only played good because Murray gave up and gave him the match. Federer enjoyed 2 victories that were given to him :p

In that case the Basel victory was given to Djokovic by Federer.

dylan24
11-25-2009, 10:10 AM
murray clearly injured.
barely could move at the end.
even muppet tennis channel announcers noticed it

Commander Data
11-25-2009, 10:14 AM
Have to give it to him: Federer, for me, has proven to be in a class all by himself. An impressive validation of his top status: whipping the Scot in the third to clinch the top ranking. Congrats to he and all his fans...well done.

What?!!! That coming from you is pretty creepy. :p

Commander Data
11-25-2009, 10:18 AM
Murray is badly injured as I said before the group draw. So it doesn't count.

I heard that only invalids and Spanish are Rafatards, I know to which group you belong..

Bernard Black
11-25-2009, 10:43 AM
Took Federer a while to get out of the blocks but once he did, there was no stopping him. Even though I was supporting Murray you just have to doff your cap to amazing tennis like that.

Great to see Federer really utilising the slice again. Pretty much put to bed any notion that Murray's slice is up to the same standard, it simply isn't. The Federer backhand wing is bullet-proof when he's hitting the slice well and it just teases the opponent to hit a topspinner to the forehand, and today was one of those days where the forehand was finely tuned (after the first set at least!). When he's taking the net away too, it makes Federer pretty much unstoppable with his whole game in synch.

As for Murray, he will just have to take this one on the chin. He was given a lesson but chances are still there to qualify. Definitely a lot of work needs to be done in the off-season though if he's going to be challenging for top honours next year.

Sophocles
11-25-2009, 10:59 AM
Thirdly, what the fuck did tonight's result have to do with Federer's slice? Federer's forehand and Murray's inept serving won him the match.

He drew a lot of errors from Murray with the slice and also set up a lot of winners with it. It was one of his biggest weapons last night.

By the way, who do you think does have the best slice, particularly now that Santoro's retired?

your_valentine
11-25-2009, 11:00 AM
Ahhhh I shouldn't have gone to bed after the first set. Vamos Roger :rocker2:

Bernard Black
11-25-2009, 11:17 AM
Secondly, Federer does not have the best slice on tour, and nor does Murray. Therefore, I did not argue that Murray has the best slice on tour.

Thirdly, what the fuck did tonight's result have to do with Federer's slice? Federer's forehand and Murray's inept serving won him the match.

Federer has a strong claim for best slice on tour, who is better in this area?

Last night's result had everything to do with Federer's slice. Any time Murray got a foothold in a rally Federer was able to neutralise it with a slice, it helped him get the forehand into play to win points and it was the slice approach which got Federer the decisive break in the second set.

The slice turned the tide of the match, basically, but I think you were perhaps too preoccupied with what Murray was doing to appreciate it :p

Beat
11-25-2009, 12:46 PM
fuck yeah!!! :D

year-end no. 1 for the FIFTH time :yeah:

prima donna
11-25-2009, 01:07 PM
Secondly, Federer does not have the best slice on tour.
Who does ?

Forehander
11-25-2009, 01:44 PM
Secondly, Federer does not have the best slice on tour.

lol?

Bargearse
11-25-2009, 01:47 PM
I lost interest in tennis for awhile... yawn. Until I saw Federer beat Murray. Oh yeah! Just watching the replay now because it feels so good. :woohoo:

Florida
11-25-2009, 02:18 PM
As expected. Fed is the father of all the ATP tennis clowns around him. Murray has a lot of work to do in off season........

duong
11-25-2009, 02:30 PM
I saw it coming when Fed picked up his game towards the end of the 1st set. Murray got the break, but Federer was constantly in Andy's service games. It was a matter of time.

The incessant double faults didn't help Murray's cause either. He was terrifed of Federer spanking his second serve for a winner and he kept producing needless doubles.

yes I saw the same as you : Federer was a little bit better from the middle of the first set (even he had made a very good first game but a little bit too many errors in next games, where Murray also played very well to say the truth), but it took time to concretize because Murray actually served very well in the end of the first set.

Anyway, the difference between them on hard courts is quite tight and their serve is a key-point, even more Murray's serve maybe which is more erratic than Fed's (his first serve is a huge danger for Federer when it works, but it's still erratic).

In third set, Murray clearly decreased his level.

But I didn't have the impression that he made so many double faults before third set.

duong
11-25-2009, 02:39 PM
Once again, completely false. I said that I think Murray has a better slice, but that I wouldn't argue with someone who disagreed, as I think it's a close call. At no time did I say that Murray's slice is far superior.

Secondly, Federer does not have the best slice on tour, and nor does Murray. Therefore, I did not argue that Murray has the best slice on tour.

Thirdly, what the fuck did tonight's result have to do with Federer's slice? Federer's forehand and Murray's inept serving won him the match.

at least we would compare their slices yesterday once again, and once again see that Federer has far more "bite" in it, as Leng Jai says.

But we could also see many of Murray's other great qualities, a lot of variety, direction changes, down-the-line shots, etc ... you don't need to talk about his slice to say great things about Murray :lol:

munZe konZa
11-25-2009, 02:45 PM
I am afraid there is something wrong with Murray when he gave up that match , to me he looks sick and weak, I think he may suffer from vitamin D deficiency like the rest of the British people

bokehlicious
11-25-2009, 02:46 PM
I lost interest in tennis for awhile... yawn. Until I saw Federer beat Murray. Oh yeah! Just watching the replay now because it feels so good. :woohoo:

This :sport: :cool: :D

Bernard Black
11-25-2009, 03:25 PM
Plenty of bait for Clydey to sink his teeth into.

Noleta
11-25-2009, 03:33 PM
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/25112009/58/world-tour-finals-murray-serve-pants.html

"I made more mistakes than normal. I just didn't play well," added the Scot, whose misfiring serve produced eight double faults. "I served so poorly that anyone would have looked good against me tonight."

A little more respect towards Fed won't hurt you Andy:hug:

bokehlicious
11-25-2009, 03:34 PM
what a douche this Scot :rolleyes:

Arkulari
11-25-2009, 03:36 PM
yes Murray, it was only your serve...

the slice bh, the volleys, the dropshots, getting wrongfooted time and time and time again didn't have anything to do with that ;)

Clydey
11-25-2009, 03:43 PM
at least we would compare their slices yesterday once again, and once again see that Federer has far more "bite" in it, as Leng Jai says.

But we could also see many of Murray's other great qualities, a lot of variety, direction changes, down-the-line shots, etc ... you don't need to talk about his slice to say great things about Murray :lol:

I'm not saying it for the sake of it. Just because you don't agree, it doesn't mean I'm just pretending that I think he has a better slice.

Besides, I really don't think the slice had any impact on the result whatsoever.

Clydey
11-25-2009, 03:44 PM
Plenty of bait for Clydey to sink his teeth into.

Not really. I agree with most of the criticisms. I thought Murray was horrific in the 3rd set and I thought Federer was brilliant. That's all you can really say to sum up that third set scoreline.

tennizen
11-25-2009, 03:44 PM
yes Murray, it was only your serve...

the slice bh, the volleys, the dropshots, getting wrongfooted time and time and time again didn't have anything to do with that ;)

If you are not serving well, its hard for the other elements to fall in place. Same thing happened to Federer in the early stages of the first set. He got his game back together once his serve started clicking.

munZe konZa
11-25-2009, 03:46 PM
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/25112009/58/world-tour-finals-murray-serve-pants.html

"I made more mistakes than normal. I just didn't play well," added the Scot, whose misfiring serve produced eight double faults. "I served so poorly that anyone would have looked good against me tonight."

A little more respect towards Fed won't hurt you Andy:hug:

it's the truth because he says he is not good and Murray at least admits he has a problem

Clydey
11-25-2009, 03:48 PM
yes Murray, it was only your serve...

the slice bh, the volleys, the dropshots, getting wrongfooted time and time and time again didn't have anything to do with that ;)

Federer always points to his own performance when he loses, too. I didn't see him admit that he was outclassed when he only won 4 games in the final 2 sets against Murray in Doha.

The fact is that it was a combination of both. It generally is when top players play. It's about whoever imposes their game. Federer imposed his in the last two sets and took advantage of Murray's poor serving. A lot of these players are so evenly matched that it generally just comes down to who is better able to impose their game.

munZe konZa
11-25-2009, 03:56 PM
Federer didn't impose anything, he just saw someone who was totally weak in body and mind and took advantage, like a hyena that smells blood and attacks defenseless

Sunset of Age
11-25-2009, 04:10 PM
Federer didn't impose anything, he just saw someone who was totally weak in body and mind and took advantage, like a hyena that smells blood and attacks defenseless

:haha:

prima donna
11-25-2009, 04:18 PM
I'm not saying it for the sake of it. Just because you don't agree, it doesn't mean I'm just pretending that I think he has a better slice.

Besides, I really don't think the slice had any impact on the result whatsoever.
Which active player possesses the most effective slice ?

Clydey
11-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Which active player possesses the most effective slice ?

Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. I certainly think Haas possesses a better slice than Federer, though. I also think Dent has an outstanding slice. Better than both Federer and Murray.

prima donna
11-25-2009, 04:47 PM
Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. I certainly think Haas possesses a better slice than Federer, though. I also think Dent has an outstanding slice. Better than both Federer and Murray.
Haas' backhand is certainly better equipped for coming over the ball than Federer's, which probably explains why his slice is nothing to write home about. The same can be said of Gasquet, whose top-spin backhand is exquisite and therefore absolves him of the need to alter his pace of shot by implementing variety shots, such as the slice.

The slice is not only a defensive shot, but can also be used aggressively, which is what distinguishes Federer's from the pack. He imparts a great deal of sidespin and underspin on his, so much so that it's more of an attacking shot than a defensive one. Indeed, much of Roger's success against big hitters can be attributed to this very fact, the slice is a liability only against Nadal.

I am not even sure that I would compare Murray's slice to Federer's, as they serve entirely different purposes. Dent is a net rusher, therefore any comparison of his slice to that of Federer is analogous to mixing oil and water: his objective is only to keep the ball deep, whereas Roger's court postioning necessitates that he be able to use the slice to both attack and bait his opponents.

Clydey
11-25-2009, 04:51 PM
Haas' backhand is certainly better equipped for coming over the ball than Federer's, which probably explains why his slice is nothing to write home about. The same can be said of Gasquet, whose top-spin backhand is exquisite and therefore absolves him of the need to alter his pace of shot by implementing variety shots, such as the slice.

The slice is not only a defensive shot, but can also be used aggressively, which is what distinguishes Federer's from the pack. He imparts a great deal of sidespin and underspin on his, so much so that it's more of an attacking shot than a defensive one. Indeed, much of Roger's success against big hitters can be attributed to this very fact, the slice is a liability only against Nadal.

I am not even sure that I would compare Murray's slice to Federer's, as they serve entirely different purposes. Dent is a net rusher, therefore any comparison of his slice to that of Federer is analogous to mixing oil and water: his objective is only to keep the ball deep, whereas Roger's court postioning necessitates that he be able to use the slice to both attack and bait his opponents.

Dent has a very aggressive slice. It isn't solely used as an approach shot. His slice stays lower than that of any other player on tour. He really knifes it.

SerenaFederer
11-25-2009, 04:56 PM
Federer didn't impose anything, he just saw someone who was totally weak in body and mind and took advantage, like a hyena that smells blood and attacks defenseless

:rolls:

prima donna
11-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Ken Rosewall is the only player who comes to mind whose slice was equally, if not more aggressive than Fed's -- he could use it as a bait shot, approach shot, and passing shot. Alas, he's inactive.

shmeeko69
11-25-2009, 05:01 PM
I thought half way through the second set, It
was becoming obvious who had the upper
hand mentally & so it proved.

When it went to the third set, Murray's
body language changed & he seemed to be
accepting defeat ealier on in the 3rd &
Rodger sensed that.

Mark :wavey:

prima donna
11-25-2009, 05:08 PM
Dent has a very aggressive slice. It isn't solely used as an approach shot. His slice stays lower than that of any other player on tour. He really knifes it.
So do you really believe this, or are you ardently clinging to a comment made, probably in the heat of anger, following Murray's defeat ?

Commander Data
11-25-2009, 05:10 PM
Federer didn't impose anything, he just saw someone who was totally weak in body and mind and took advantage, like a hyena that smells blood and attacks defenseless
:baby:

Clydey
11-25-2009, 05:42 PM
So do you really believe this, or are you ardently clinging to a comment made, probably in the heat of anger, following Murray's defeat ?

What are you talking about, in anger? I said this before Murray and Federer even played. Also, I have hardly been bitter about Murray losing. I'm generally annoyed for about 2 minutes after Murray loses and then it passes. In case you missed it, I also said that I think Dent has a better slice than Murray.

And yes, I do believe it.

prima donna
11-25-2009, 05:44 PM
And yes, I do believe it.
All right.

R.Federer
11-25-2009, 05:49 PM
Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. I certainly think Haas possesses a better slice than Federer, though. I also think Dent has an outstanding slice. Better than both Federer and Murray.

Not..... er, Roddick?! :eek: :D

A-dick has at least got the most improved slice this year. Okay, critics, I know that starting at zero it's easy to move up but still .... :armed: :lol: It was great to see Andy make the rounds this week.

doublebackhand
11-25-2009, 08:11 PM
Dent has a better backhand slice than Federer?!? Thats news for the day! :worship::worship:

NYCtennisfan
11-25-2009, 08:42 PM
Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. I certainly think Haas possesses a better slice than Federer, though. I also think Dent has an outstanding slice. Better than both Federer and Murray.

Do you really believe this?

leng jai
11-25-2009, 08:45 PM
Even I don't think Haas has a better slice than Fedclown, but its pretty close. One things for sure, both guys don't use that shot anywhere to the best of their abilities.

Clydey
11-25-2009, 09:18 PM
Do you really believe this?

I should clarify that I think Dent has a better aggressive slice. And yes, I absolutely believe it. He knifes the fuck out of it. In boxing, we talk about a punch being thrown with bad intentions. That's how Dent hits his slice.

crude oil
11-25-2009, 11:54 PM
:haha:

:haha:

MTF gets better and better. Now HAAS, MURRAY and DENT have better slices than federer.

totally deluded.

Roddickominator
11-25-2009, 11:59 PM
Dent does have a better aggressive slice....to say otherwise would indicate that you've never seen it.

Roger has, by far, the best defensive slice.

Nadal has the worst slice ever, even behind Roddick's and Gonzo's.

Clydey
11-26-2009, 12:06 AM
:haha:

:haha:

MTF gets better and better. Now HAAS, MURRAY and DENT have better slices than federer.

totally deluded.

Have you seen Dent's slice?

Jōris
11-26-2009, 12:16 AM
Gilles Muller's slice approach to the net. Also better than Federer's.

Clydey
11-26-2009, 12:47 AM
Gilles Muller's slice approach to the net. Also better than Federer's.

Davydenko's too.

Haelfix
11-26-2009, 01:46 AM
Federers 'baiting' slice is probably the best in the history of tennis. The way he can bait people off that short cc slice is legendary and generally his defense with the shot is epic. He can also hit passing shots with the slice (no one has seen that since Rosewall).

Many other people hit the aggressive type slices better, as well as the approach slices (guys like Dent obviously live off that shot, so have a lot more practise)

Sophocles
11-26-2009, 01:23 PM
Let's not get carried away. Federer has an excellent slice, one of the very best on tour, but let's not compare him to Ken Rosewall.