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London RR : Söderling def. Nadal 6-4 6-4

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Action Jackson
11-23-2009, 03:08 PM
Good stuff Toad.

jonas
11-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Söderling, you legend. :worship:

cakedraw
11-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Respect

fsoica
11-23-2009, 03:09 PM
not too early this time ;)

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees :haha: :haha: :haha:

elessar
11-23-2009, 03:10 PM
Good stuff Toad.
Good for the game?

tealeaves
11-23-2009, 03:10 PM
:hearts:
Tennis WON.

tennishero
11-23-2009, 03:10 PM
rofl pathetic from nadal... he'll be lucky to win a set in this group.

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:10 PM
Good boy Robin.


Hey Gago, taste it.

alter ego
11-23-2009, 03:10 PM
:worship: Soderking :worship:

Acer
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Roasted!

rocketassist
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
:woohoo:

Soderking was about 60% of his level at RG, still enough. Dedicated to Haines and Foxy.

No doubt Nadal is injured, waiting for that one.

theseth1119
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
I honestly think Rafa should pull out of this event now and focus on Spain's Davis Cup final. He's not doing any good here. He lost to Soderling 6-4 6-4 for crying out loud. He has no chance of beating Davydenko and Djokovic. I say Rafa needs to pull out and let Tsonga play.

timafi
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
good day of tennis:lol:
:hatoff:Mr Robin:yeah:

go home dirtballer and stay there!

GHETTOTENNIS
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
"RG was just a fluke, it means nothing"

:lol::lol::lol:

rolandgarros
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Expected one...

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Excellent. Not a patch on their French Open match, but Toad keeps Rafa in his place. Does this mean Federer's top ranking is now secure?

Jarl_02
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Never in doubt

madmax
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Tennis wins, pushing loses - goof for the game:worship:

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
rofl pathetic from nadal... he'll be lucky to win a set in this group.

Actually what was pathetic was the fat man in your avatar blowing his match against Nadal last time.

Shirogane
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Expected.

freeandlonely
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssss

cakedraw
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Good for the game?

yessir

sheva07
11-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Tennis is the big winner today.

Go SöderKing!:bounce:

Noleta
11-23-2009, 03:12 PM
Horrible play from Rafa:help:

Soderling:yeah:

freeandlonely
11-23-2009, 03:12 PM
Tennis wins, pushing loses - goof for the game:worship:

:hearts::yeah:

SerenaFederer
11-23-2009, 03:12 PM
rafa :smash: but soderling held his game together so well played....

but *DEATH* @ MATCH POINT running across the arena :rolls: no pressure at al

mickymouse
11-23-2009, 03:12 PM
So, did Soderling beat Nadal at RG because he was 'a very injured man'?

cocrcici
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
Rafa is not himself yet

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
Nadal is digusting. He is an embarassment for himself. he is so bad this is incredible. he turned into a tomato can. I hope he will withdraw as he will probably not win a single set.

His level is awful and he has all the signs of a player who is shot, done. That's a shame. He was really on his way to become one of the best and now he is not playing at a top 20 level anymore.

He should quit the masters and try a comeback next season. He may do better than now.

Fed Express
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
:haha:

Soderling well done!!

Voo de Mar
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
Good win Toad :yeah: albiet his face becomes to remind me an owl...

His volley at 2:2 in the 2nd set which landed in the crowd was the worst one I've ever seen (what an idea to play a classic volley with forehand grip?) :lol: Soderling definitely has the ugliest game in the elite but knows his weapons very well and Norman has finally taught him how to use them.

Poor Nadal is getting bald more and more. Is he the new Agassi?

tyruk14
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
Great performance from Soderling. This was good for tennis.

And Le Sod proves, emphatically, that he deserves his spot.

Mechlan
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
Nadal has been suffering a lot of beatings at the hands of his nemeses recently. Well played Toad. The better player today.

rocketassist
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
Tennis won.

Clydey
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
Too big from Toad.

Corey Feldman
11-23-2009, 03:13 PM
easy win for an average display from Soderking :lol:

he is the Nadal=Killa

Robin you big Fedtard, gifting Fed a Roland Garros title and #1 all in one year :kiss:

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:14 PM
Dedicated to I_Mac, Jolan, NadalSharapova, Bazooka, RFK :haha:

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:14 PM
So, did Soderling beat Nadal at RG because he was 'a very injured man'?

Yes, and if you think otherwise you are retarded.

Nadal is shot now. He is losing to everybody.

Dini
11-23-2009, 03:14 PM
Puts the king in Soderling. :yeah: He was favourite for this match and pulled it off. Impressed.

All you saying he's a fluke think again. He's had big wins this season and a lot of top 10 ones at that. Throughouly deserves that WTF spot after Roddick pulled out. Credit to Nadal for doing what he does best throughout the match and staying close though.

Foxy
11-23-2009, 03:14 PM
:woohoo:

Soderking was about 60% of his level at RG, still enough. Dedicated to Haines and Foxy.

No doubt Nadal is injured, waiting for that one.

He is injured.

Corey Feldman
11-23-2009, 03:14 PM
He is injured.:haha::haha::lol:

box of tissues for Foxy

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:15 PM
Yes, and if you think otherwise you are retarded.


:haha:

Do you know anything about matchups? Whenever these 2 play the match is on Robins racket.

Everko
11-23-2009, 03:15 PM
Good for Soderling,he can beat an injured man twice

cocrcici
11-23-2009, 03:15 PM
Yes, and if you think otherwise you are retarded.

Nadal is shot now. He is losing to everybody.

yes

dylan24
11-23-2009, 03:15 PM
what a spartan this soderling is
rafa needs to get back on the juice

MIMIC
11-23-2009, 03:15 PM
It begins.

Action Jackson
11-23-2009, 03:16 PM
Nadal was slicing his backhand more than Vicente, except on the passing shots which were good for the most part.

tennizen
11-23-2009, 03:16 PM
So, did Soderling beat Nadal at RG because he was 'a very injured man'?

Nadal has all the confidence of a house mouse now. I could beat him playing with my left hand.

Yves.
11-23-2009, 03:16 PM
Pathetic from Nadal, but well played by Soderling :yeah:

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:16 PM
:haha:

Do you know anything about matchups? Whenever these 2 play the match is on Robins racket.

You are an idiot.

Rafa was up 3-0 against Soderling before getting injured.

Now he is not top 10 anymore and is getting crushed by the likes of Cilic and Del Potro. Soderling is a non factor.

cocrcici
11-23-2009, 03:16 PM
good for Nole:D

scarecrows
11-23-2009, 03:16 PM
PARERA is so bad

Arkulari
11-23-2009, 03:16 PM
He is injured.

COME ON!!!

Rafa himself has said that he's perfectly fine in the physical department, saying otherwise is just calling him a liar

rocketassist
11-23-2009, 03:17 PM
He is injured.

Good for him.

Dini
11-23-2009, 03:17 PM
Nadal isn't injured any more. :shrug: Unless I've missed something. :scratch:

SwedSerbia
11-23-2009, 03:17 PM
Great stuff Robin! Rafa is out, RAFA IS OUT!. He stand no chance against Djokovic :)

Well played Robin, Murray watch out!

WHO ARE YA, WHO ARE YA?

oranges
11-23-2009, 03:17 PM
Well done Soda :yeah:

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:17 PM
Good for Soderling,he can beat an injured man twice

:sad: :hug:

Clydey
11-23-2009, 03:17 PM
Nadal has all the confidence of a house mouse now. I could beat him playing with my left hand.

I hear Barry Cowan straight-setted him in practice.

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Whats wrong with you guys? Did nadal burn down your house or what? The hate on this board is still pretty irritating to me. At least I udnerstand all the Fedhate better now. Success brings haters.

Rafa is clearly not were he once was. I don't expect him to survive the group games. IMO Rafa should focus on getting his body to old shape for the 2010 clay season. he is not going to dominate on other surfaces anymore.

Sunset of Age
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Deserved victory for the Toad. :hatoff:
Didn't crumble, kept his cool, by far the better player during the entire match. Very impressive for a debutant I think (compare with Verdasco yesterday...). :yeah:

Rafa... :rolleyes: - bad WTA-serving and passive rubbish isn't going to be of any help here! Worse performance than I expected, or rather, hoped for. Meh. :(
Good luck Raf in your next matches, you're going to need it. :hug:

cakedraw
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
so if Rafa is injured constantly for a long time, then retire, enough with the excuses already.

Ilovetheblues_86
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Well Söderling was alwyas injured before RG 2009 so I gues this makes their h-2-h non-existant or irrelevant.

gulzhan
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
:sad:

Rafa is still in awful form.

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
You are an idiot.

Rafa was up 3-0 against Soderling before getting injured.

Now he is not top 10 anymore and is getting crushed by the likes of Cilic and Del Potro. Soderling is a non factor.

Look clownface, Nadal is washed up and a shadow of what he once was. Soderling was a late bloomer but will now hit Nadal off the court everytime they play, so will the likes of Del Potro and Cilic. The Future is now. Nadal will not win another major. EVER.

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Nadal isn't injured any more. :shrug: Unless I've missed something. :scratch:

Yes Nadal is not injured anymore, he is just done, finished, washed up.

Clydey
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Nadal isn't injured any more. :shrug: Unless I've missed something. :scratch:

Nadal is always injured when he loses. He will be injured until he starts to win again.

Macbrother
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
We need more entries in the Rafa excuse book. Keep 'em coming.

Foxy
11-23-2009, 03:19 PM
COME ON!!!

Rafa himself has said that he's perfectly fine in the physical department, saying otherwise is just calling him a liar

He says that always.
He is badly injured. You can see it.

Nidhogg
11-23-2009, 03:20 PM
Average match in terms of quality, but I like the mental fortitude from Robin. To hold that twelve minute-service game was impressive.

The court doesn't play great for being indoor, but at least it's better than Bercy.

It's also fascinating to think of what a great matchup Nadal is för Söderling. Robin used the same pattern of play over and over again to great success. Serve to the forehand, rally to the backhand and pull the trigger out wide to the forehand.

Art&Soul
11-23-2009, 03:20 PM
Yes, and if you think otherwise you are retarded.


You're a retard coz Nadull is becoming SoderKing's bitch :devil: Love the bitterness from the Nadulltards when Nadull lost to Soderling :haha::haha::haha:

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:20 PM
Look clownface, Nadal is washed up and a shadow of what he once was. Soderling was a late bloomer but will now hit Nadal off the court everytime they play, so will the likes of Del Potro and Cilic. The Future is now. Nadal will not win another major. EVER.

Rafa is washed up and the shadow of what he was.

But in his prime, he was the deciding factor. Soderling was inexistant when nadal was at his best. Soderling is nothing special while Nadal was a great player.

Vida
11-23-2009, 03:21 PM
a sad site. I had hoped sodeling will choke, but alas...

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 03:21 PM
Wonderful to see the Nadal-tards - who by & large seem to be intellectually challenged pre-pubescent girls who know nothing about tennis - suffer. There will be more suffering in store for them this week. Maybe they should go back to drooling over boy bands. Or try spending a couple hours at school.

Chiakifug
11-23-2009, 03:21 PM
He says that always.
He is badly injured. You can see it.

Its true, ive heard his knees are being held together with blue tac until after this tournament when he'll be getting new knees from some kid in CHina.

phelbyn
11-23-2009, 03:21 PM
Well done Soderling!!!!! What does this mean now for year-end #1? Guess Federer has almost clinched it! :)

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:21 PM
Nadull needs to pull out to keep the diggnity of himself & the tournament, would be the right thing to do.

TennisLurker
11-23-2009, 03:21 PM
Nadal fans may say that Rafa is the same weight as always, but to me he looks thinner, weaker, less ripped, and his shots have less pace and heavyness.

Rafa needs to hit the Gym again, or whatever it was that made him so strong

Rafa isn't a flat clean ball striker, if you want to hit hard penetrating shots with exagerated heavy topspin, you need strength. Otherwise, the result you get is those crappy loopy shots Nadal has been hitting for months.

MurrayFan1
11-23-2009, 03:21 PM
Get iiiiiiiiiin! Was so hoping I didn't have to settle for the inevitable event of Soderling-Davydenko on Weds night! So this means I wiill probs see either Nadal or Djokovic on Weds! Unless Davydenko wins... when we will of course miss Nadal-Djokovic in the morning :-(

tealeaves
11-23-2009, 03:21 PM
We need more entries in the Rafa excuse book. Keep 'em coming.

menstruation problems?

born_on_clay
11-23-2009, 03:22 PM
What a clownish performance from Rafa.
Why he keeps on playing so defensive ?
:o

Everko
11-23-2009, 03:22 PM
We need more entries in the Rafa excuse book. Keep 'em coming.

that book is still 700 pages shorter than the rafa hater book

Vaccine
11-23-2009, 03:22 PM
Nadal isn't injured for god's sake. He's just not mentally there, where he used to be

Arkulari
11-23-2009, 03:22 PM
He says that always.
He is badly injured. You can see it.

I do hope you're just saying that to get a higher seeding at the ACC, otherwise...:o

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:22 PM
You're a retard coz Nadull is becoming SoderKing's bitch :devil: Love the bitterness from the Nadulltards when Nadull lost to Soderling :haha::haha::haha:

When Federer will retire, you will not watch sport anymore. I laugh at all the Swiss who discovered that sporting events existed when Federer started to win.

ShotmaKer
11-23-2009, 03:22 PM
He says that always.
He is badly injured. You can see it.

and you can shut the eff up. go suck your thumb elsewhere you stupid tool.

alter ego
11-23-2009, 03:22 PM
Well done Soderling!!!!! What does this mean now for year-end #1? Guess Federer has almost clinched it! :)

Not yet. Fed is 1100 points clear of Nadal. Nadal can still get 1300.

Topspin Forehand
11-23-2009, 03:23 PM
I just gotta say that Nadal played like crap today. What is wrong with him?

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:23 PM
Rafa is washed up and the shadow of what he was.

But in his prime, he was the deciding factor. Soderling was inexistant when nadal was at his best. Soderling is nothing special while Nadal was a great player.

As I said Soderling fully developed his game at a later stage and is just coming into his own as Rafa is on the way out so it's hard to say much of there matches years ago. And no Soderling is a great player and Nadal is a dirtballer.

Corey Feldman
11-23-2009, 03:24 PM
and you can shut the eff up. go suck your thumb elsewhere you stupid tool.:spit:

Nidhogg
11-23-2009, 03:25 PM
But in his prime, he was the deciding factor. Soderling was inexistant when nadal was at his best. Soderling is nothing special while Nadal was a great player.

I guess that's why Söderling won more points than Nadal during their five setter from Wimbledon 07.

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:26 PM
As I said Soderling fully developed his game at a later stage and is just coming into his own as Rafa is on the way out so it's hard to say much of there matches years ago. And no Soderling is a great player and Nadal is a dirtballer.

You don't know what you are talking about. Soderling is just an average player and will never win a big tournament.

Nadal was a great player with 6 slams and countless MS.

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:27 PM
I guess that's why Söderling won more points than Nadal during their five setter from Wimbledon 07.

The 4 days match explains everything. Nadal was winning quite easily before the rain.

Art&Soul
11-23-2009, 03:27 PM
Yes Nadal is not injured anymore, he is just done, finished, washed up.

So he'd better retire for his fans, no?:devil:

Chiakifug
11-23-2009, 03:27 PM
:spit:

rocketassist
11-23-2009, 03:27 PM
You don't know what you are talking about. Soderling is just an average player and will never win a big tournament.

Nadal was a great player with 6 slams and countless MS.

Nadal was a player who has taken advantage of slow courts, homogenized surfaces, a weak era and players who all play the same.

Any other time he'd be no greater than a Sergi Bruguera.

ShotmaKer
11-23-2009, 03:27 PM
Good for Soderling,he can beat an injured man twice

shows how clueless you are, once again :)

Everko
11-23-2009, 03:27 PM
Wonderful to see the Nadal-tards - who by & large seem to be intellectually challenged pre-pubescent girls who know nothing about tennis - suffer. There will be more suffering in store for them this week. Maybe they should go back to drooling over boy bands. Or try spending a couple hours at school.

The haters eed to go to school to learn about what hate really is

scarecrows
11-23-2009, 03:28 PM
Soderling is just an average player and will never win a big tournament.



that is a bold statement
he was 1 match away from winning a GS title and if he didnt have the usual mental problems when facing Federer he might have got it

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 03:28 PM
When Federer will retire, you will not watch sport anymore. I laugh at all the Swiss who discovered that sporting events existed when Federer started to win.

You don't laugh at many Swiss then.

Ilovetheblues_86
11-23-2009, 03:29 PM
You don't know what you are talking about. Soderling is just an average player and will never win a big tournament.

Nadal was a great player with 6 slams and countless MS.

We have big trolls in MTF but some of them will never win the ACC, it happens, don´t worry, you are still great. :hug:

Aaric
11-23-2009, 03:29 PM
Well done :yeah:
Rafa :hug:

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:29 PM
Surcouf :haha:

Dini
11-23-2009, 03:30 PM
How was the handshake? I missed it. :o

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:30 PM
So he'd better retire for his fans, no?:devil:

He'd better take some time off to try to clean his head and to refocus on playing than playing like a can.

Nadal was a player who has taken advantage of slow courts, homogenized surfaces, a weak era and players who all play the same.

Any other time he'd be no greater than a Sergi Bruguera.

Nadal was a player who was owning the so called best player of all time on a regular basis. And that's why he is hated by some idiots.

Soderling is just another Federer's bitch who is always losing and can't win a big tournament.

Bernard Black
11-23-2009, 03:30 PM
Great stuff Soderking.

Thought Nadal would take this opportunity to dish out some revenge but, instead, it's back to the drawing board.

TheBoiledEgg
11-23-2009, 03:30 PM
indoor toad roasting piggy :lol: :bowdown:

and a 2-0 win is even better
Piggy in deep shit.

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 03:30 PM
The haters eed to go to school to learn about what hate really is

I don't hate Nadal. I hate, or rather despise, his tards (as opposed to fans).

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:31 PM
You don't know what you are talking about. Soderling is just an average player and will never win a big tournament.

Nadal was a great player with 6 slams and countless MS.

Soderling will win a big tournament. :) He may even win this tournament.


Well Nadal is a dirtballer and only has 6 GS because he plays against mental migets. Also Nadal suck.

Arkulari
11-23-2009, 03:31 PM
some tards are really going over the top with this, toad deserved the victory, he was the better player, rafa wasn't up to par with him, get over it! :rolleyes:

madmax
11-23-2009, 03:31 PM
Nadal was a player who has taken advantage of slow courts, homogenized surfaces, a weak era and players who all play the same.

Any other time he'd be no greater than a Sergi Bruguera.

:bowdown::bowdown: True words have never been spoken...

tennizen
11-23-2009, 03:31 PM
that is a bold statement
he was 1 match away from winning a GS title and if he didnt have the usual mental problems when facing Federer he might have got it

So was Baghdatis. What Surcouf said is true. Soderling is always going to be a tough player to beat for anybody but he is not a tournament winner:shrug:.

Action Jackson
11-23-2009, 03:31 PM
How was the handshake? I missed it. :o

Functional.

Vaccine
11-23-2009, 03:31 PM
For me, Nadal looks stressed. His body language was never such as it is now. I highly doubt it's another injury, if it was he wouldn't go to London. His form is non-existant and I don't believe he really sees himself on top spot again this year. He lacks sth inner and dunno what must be done by him to regain it. But it's obvious it's mental stuff

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 03:31 PM
that is a bold statement
he was 1 match away from winning a GS title and if he didnt have the usual mental problems when facing Federer he might have got it

naive statement. Fed was flawless that day.

rocketassist
11-23-2009, 03:31 PM
He'd better take some time off to try to clean his head and to refocus on playing than playing like a can.



Nadal was a player who was owning the so called best player of all time on a regular basis. And that's why he is hated by some idiots.

Soderling is just another Federer's bitch who is always losing and can't win a big tournament.

Big deal, he matches up well with Federer, what about elsewhere? Any flat ball striker in form cleans him up on a faster surface.

Horatio Caine
11-23-2009, 03:33 PM
BOOM Soders. :D

Worst possible result for Rafa if he is to survive the group stage...assuming he loses to Djokovic, his only chance would be a 1-2 tie with Soderling and Davydenko, and losing in straight sets today won't have done him any favours on the ratios.

Really needs to win his remaining two matches, and that will take a mighty effort...

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 03:33 PM
Soderling will win a big tournament. :) He may even win this tournament.



:haha: clueless at its finest.

Fedexex
11-23-2009, 03:33 PM
well done Soderking:worship:

Corey Feldman
11-23-2009, 03:33 PM
How was the handshake? I missed it. :o
http://shahmeer.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nadal-soderling.jpg
http://pacejmiller.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nadal-soderling.jpg
http://superb87.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/soderling.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/ap_photo/20090829/all/l3986801.jpg

SerenaFederer
11-23-2009, 03:34 PM
You are an idiot.

Rafa was up 3-0 against Soderling before getting injured.

Now he is not top 10 anymore and is getting crushed by the likes of Cilic and Del Potro. Soderling is a non factor.

didn't del p. stop nadal in miami which was BEFORE the clay and during his hc hot streak? coming back when he looked all but out of the match?

Bascule
11-23-2009, 03:35 PM
put on that clownish pants again...it suits you.

Nidhogg
11-23-2009, 03:36 PM
The 4 days match explains everything. Nadal was winning quite easily before the rain.

That's not how I remember it. There were servicebreaks left and right all through the match, but Robin lacked the edge more times than Rafael.

I also wonder why the rain would not affect Söderling just as much as Nadal.

prima donna
11-23-2009, 03:36 PM
Soderling beats Nadal on an indoor court, you don't say.

What's next -- the earth rotating around its rotational axis ? Perhaps something even crazier will occur, such as, say, trees shedding their leaves in the fall.

Cheap sarcasm aside, this should not come as a surprise: Soderling is at his best indoors.

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:36 PM
that is a bold statement
he was 1 match away from winning a GS title and if he didnt have the usual mental problems when facing Federer he might have got it

He might get a fluke victory but he will never be a great player. Nadal was a multiple slam winner and a dominant player who was slapping Soderling in his prime.

Now that he appears to be done, it's sill his form who is the factor.

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:36 PM
http://shahmeer.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nadal-soderling.jpg
http://pacejmiller.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nadal-soderling.jpg
http://superb87.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/soderling.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/ap_photo/20090829/all/l3986801.jpg

:lol:

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:38 PM
He might get a fluke victory but he will never be a great player. Nadal was a multiple slam winner and a dominant player who was slapping Soderling in his prime.

Now that he appears to be done, it's sill his form who is the factor.

Nadull overachieved in an era with another guy who shits himself whenever he plays him. He's lucky the courts were slowed down for him and that there no other greats like Sampras & Agassi to compete with him.

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:38 PM
:haha: clueless at its finest.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:



Soderling definatly has chance to win this tournament.

Nidhogg
11-23-2009, 03:39 PM
For me, Nadal looks stressed. His body language was never such as it is now. I highly doubt it's another injury, if it was he wouldn't go to London. His form is non-existant and I don't believe he really sees himself on top spot again this year. He lacks sth inner and dunno what must be done by him to regain it. But it's obvious it's mental stuff

He has looked unsettled and frustrated with himself more often than usual lately, yes. His confidence is far from what it once was.

He might get a fluke victory but he will never be a great player. Nadal was a multiple slam winner and a dominant player who was slapping Soderling in his prime.

Now that he appears to be done, it's sill his form who is the factor.

Of course, cause Söderling has the same level all the time, and played yet another match of his life today. :lol:

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:39 PM
didn't del p. stop nadal in miami which was BEFORE the clay and during his hc hot streak? coming back when he looked all but out of the match?

Nadal has beaten Del Potro without difficulty at IW. Then he loses in the 3rd set tie break in a tournament where he was not playing well. And now he can't even win a set or make a set close?

You are blind if you don't realize that Nadal is palying really really bad, light years away from his usual level. Nadal is losing to everybody right now.

Arkulari
11-23-2009, 03:40 PM
He might get a fluke victory but he will never be a great player. Nadal was a multiple slam winner and a dominant player who was slapping Soderling in his prime.

Now that he appears to be done, it's sill his form who is the factor.

Rafa is a GREAT player, but he's not perfect and he can lose once in a while to a lot of players, before his 2008-early 2009 streak he was losing to a lot of people in HC, so it's not rare unless you have started following him after Wimbledon last year :rolleyes:

«Ivan»
11-23-2009, 03:41 PM
rafa haters are :retard:
"knowlegable" jkay knows tennis just as i know his deep space(welcomed one)
mr.feldman is an old clown,sapeod's mind in old body.picture his ugly face.disgusting
army of lonely idiots.

rafa lost,not in form 'n that is it.
nooo,those mouses outside their rooms have to insult 50 ppl just for "oh,i'm good,i'm so good"(jer**ing off in the mean time)

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 03:42 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:



Soderling definatly has chance to win this tournament.

lets talk in a couple days, ok? Soderling is not going to beat Nole, Murray or Fed. he certainly is not going to get thru two of them in one week.

How clueless can you be?

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:42 PM
chopa u hate me again? :tears:

I'm just having a little fun here....

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:42 PM
Nadull overachieved in an era with another guy who shits himself whenever he plays him. He's lucky the courts were slowed down for him and that there no other greats like Sampras & Agassi to compete with him.

I laugh again, Federer is supposed to be the best player ever, and Nadal was always dominating him. Your observation don't work.

Nadal, before his injury, was getting better and better. He was dominating on every surface. And you want to make me believe that it's not his big injury who stopped him? Some sportsmen are never the same after these kind of injuries. That's what happened to Nadal. I hope he can come back next season, but it won't be easy.

Nadal's shape is the only factor I take account as he is the main factor.

Certinfy
11-23-2009, 03:42 PM
AWESOME!!! =) Nice win.

djb84xi
11-23-2009, 03:43 PM
I'm just stunned. I expected Nadal to come in here with a new game plan, and yet, it was the same one that makes him extremely vulnerable to everyone else. I wish Uncle Toni would take Rafa and shake some sense into him. WTF is going on? Is Davis Cup really that much more important than trying to get the No. 1 ranking back? I'm a big Rafa fan, but I'm tired of the excuses. He needs to quit being stubborn and start being realistic. Rafa, you need to SERIOUSLY change your game!!!:eek:

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:43 PM
Nadal has beaten Del Potro without difficulty at IW. Then he loses in the 3rd set tie break in a tournament where he was not playing well. And now he can't even win a set or make a set close?

You are blind if you don't realize that Nadal is palying really really bad, light years away from his usual level. Nadal is losing to everybody right now.

Del Potro has improved all season long, with his US open win to show for it. Everyone's getting better, it isn't Nadull playing poorly :o

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:43 PM
lets talk in a couple days, ok? Soderling is not going to beat Nole, Murray or Fed. he certainly is not going to get thru two of them in one week.

How clueless can you be?

I don't think he will beat Fed because of the mental aspect but Fed is beyond horrible right now. Djokovic has played a lot of matches latley and they had a very close match in Paris. Murray? Who is Murray the guy is nothing short of garbage.

Clydey
11-23-2009, 03:45 PM
Are people ready to admit that Nadal's forehand is bordering on a liability on these courts? He gets no penetration and it just sits there, waiting to be flattened out.

DanaKz
11-23-2009, 03:45 PM
:hearts:
Tennis WON.

Right!!!!!

Soderking!!!!!!!! You are the best! You are the beast!

Arkulari
11-23-2009, 03:45 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/029y6zS7ZX22j/610x.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02EK19m5E716M/610x.jpg

this is what toad did when he won :p

these two definitely don't like the other at ALL

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:45 PM
Rafa is a GREAT player, but he's not perfect and he can lose once in a while to a lot of players, before his 2008-early 2009 streak he was losing to a lot of people in HC, so it's not rare unless you have started following him after Wimbledon last year :rolleyes:

I am following Nadal since a lot of years now, and I was never worried by his end of season. But this is different this time, I have the feeling that he may never come back to his best level. It happens in sport. The reason is that he says that he is injury free, and he is still playing awful. His tennis and his shots are absents, his will seems gone.

Goldenoldie
11-23-2009, 03:46 PM
Nadal's moonballing today made even Murray look aggressive. Yes, he was outplayed, but don't write him off yet. I don't think he will qualify for the semis in this tournament, but he will still be a factor in all the slams in 2010. He is still world #2.

cocrcici
11-23-2009, 03:47 PM
Vuelvo enseguida,ahorita regreso,ser derecha espalda.

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 03:47 PM
I laugh again, Federer is supposed to be the best player ever, and Nadal was always dominating him. Your observation don't work.

Nadal, before his injury, was getting better and better. He was dominating on every surface. And you want to make me believe that it's not his big injury who stopped him? Some sportsmen are never the same after these kind of injuries. That's what happened to Nadal. I hope he can come back next season, but it won't be easy.

Nadal's shape is the only factor I take account as he is the main factor.

Nadal matches up well against Federer. So what? So does Murray. Krajicek matched up well against Sampras. Who gives a toss?

Nadal had a brief peak when he was clearly the best player in the world. If he had been good enough to sustain it, he would be getting back to it post-injury, and he isn't.

Against hard, flat-hitting players the match is never on Nadal's racquet (except perhaps on clay) as he's a primarily defensive player, and was primarily defensive even during his brief peak.

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:48 PM
Del Potro has improved all season long, with his US open win to show for it. Everyone's getting better, it isn't Nadull playing poorly :o


Yes right. Everybody waited Nadal's inury to become good players while Nadal's level has not suffered at all from his big injury. Yes, you make perfect sense, 20/20, genius. :worship:

ShotmaKer
11-23-2009, 03:48 PM
Nadal's moonballing today made even Murray look aggressive. Yes, he was outplayed, but don't write him off yet. I don't think he will qualify for the semis in this tournament, but he will still be a factor in all the slams in 2010. He is still world #2.

Too true. And the Goldenoldie spoke the truth once again :worship:

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 03:48 PM
I don't think he will beat Fed because of the mental aspect but Fed is beyond horrible right now. Djokovic has played a lot of matches latley and they had a very close match in Paris. Murray? Who is Murray the guy is nothing short of garbage.

In theory you might have a point, in reality you don't. Soderling lacks consistency and mental strenght to win this. I might win a big title at some point when everything goes his favour, I give you that, but not here. it is really too though to win the atp finals for him.

Dini
11-23-2009, 03:48 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02EK19m5E716M/610x.jpg

I like his face here. :lol:

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 03:50 PM
Nadal matches up well against Federer. So what? So does Murray. Krajicek matched up well against Sampras. Who gives a toss?

Nadal had a brief peak when he was clearly the best player in the world. If he had been good enough to sustain it, he would be getting back to it post-injury, and he isn't.

Against hard, flat-hitting players the match is never on Nadal's racquet (except perhaps on clay) as he's a primarily defensive player, and was primarily defensive even during his brief peak.

Nadal had a positive H2H against everybody but Nalbandian and Blake on HC. Your "match up well with" does not work.

TMJordan
11-23-2009, 03:50 PM
In theory you might have a point, in reality you don't. Soderling lacks consistency and mental strenght to win this. I might win a big title at some point when everything goes his favour, I give you that, but not here. it is really too though to win the atp finals for him.
OK fair enough, we will see. ;)

tennizen
11-23-2009, 03:50 PM
http://shahmeer.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nadal-soderling.jpg
http://pacejmiller.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nadal-soderling.jpg
http://superb87.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/soderling.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/ap_photo/20090829/all/l3986801.jpg

:rolls: Mikey consider yourself good repped for this post. So mean yet so cute:lol:

Arkulari
11-23-2009, 03:52 PM
I am following Nadal since a lot of years now, and I was never worried by his end of season. But this is different this time, I have the feeling that he may never come back to his best level. It happens in sport. The reason is that he says that he is injury free, and he is still playing awful. His tennis and his shots are absents, his will seems gone.

that sounds a bit more coherent than the whole Soderling should have never beaten Rafa
yes, Rafa suffered from an injury, and his confidence was hit very badly, but it also has to do with the fact that a lot of the field now has the belief that they can beat him as well, it's a 50/50, Rafa played his worst match of the season against Almagro and still won, that's because Almagro couldn't seize the opportunity like Soderling did today, so Toad deserves the credit, because Rafa never gives a match away ;)

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 03:52 PM
I am following Nadal since a lot of years now, and I was never worried by his end of season. But this is different this time, I have the feeling that he may never come back to his best level. It happens in sport. The reason is that he says that he is injury free, and he is still playing awful. His tennis and his shots are absents, his will seems gone.

Yes. It is perfectly normal and to be expected. Nadal can't keep up his insane intensity style of play for ever. it burns you out eventually.

Fed might be the only one that lasts more then a couple years because he plays more energy conserving.

Nadal might find the energy to win RG again but I duobt he will find his old form again. Kinda sad, I agree.

Nidhogg
11-23-2009, 03:52 PM
I'm just stunned. I expected Nadal to come in here with a new game plan, and yet, it was the same one that makes him extremely vulnerable to everyone else. I wish Uncle Toni would take Rafa and shake some sense into him. WTF is going on? Is Davis Cup really that much more important than trying to get the No. 1 ranking back? I'm a big Rafa fan, but I'm tired of the excuses. He needs to quit being stubborn and start being realistic. Rafa, you need to SERIOUSLY change your game!!!:eek:

Yeah, I mean, we all know that's the easiest thing ever. Why on earth hasn't Nadal just started to blast people off the court yet when he is so high on confidence and everything?

Byrd
11-23-2009, 03:53 PM
Yes right. Everybody waited Nadal's inury to become good players while Nadal's level has not suffered at all from his big injury. Yes, you make perfect sense, 20/20, genius. :worship:

Wtf, Nadull's injury has resulted in lack of form, but not to the point where it's resulted in him becoming redundant in matches. Look at all his losses since he's been back, Djokovic, Del Potro, Cilic and Soderling, all are playing much better than 2008. Stop trying to blame every loss on his form...:o

Ilovetheblues_86
11-23-2009, 03:53 PM
Nadal had a positive H2H against everybody but Nalbandian and Blake on HC. Your "match up well with" does not work.

Federer outside clay too.

Chiakifug
11-23-2009, 03:53 PM
This end of year cant be compared to every end of year for Rafa considering he had a big break in the middle of it and has played less since then.

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 03:53 PM
Nadal had a positive H2H against everybody but Nalbandian and Blake on HC. Your "match up well with" does not work.

Nadal has done brilliantly in H2Hs so far, but he blossomed early and has only just started his decline. His H2Hs won't look so good in another 2 years. The point about Federer is that by every conceivable standard of measurement, Federer is a superior player to Nadal, so (just as in the case of Sampras & Krajicek) the only possible conclusion is that in *this* case, Nadal's good H2H is largely down to the match-up, particularly on clay (where Nadal has scored 70% of his wins against Fed).

Certinfy
11-23-2009, 03:54 PM
Roddick and Federer :haha: :haha:

ImmzB
11-23-2009, 03:54 PM
Who's Nadal playing next? Djokovic or Davydenko?

l_mac
11-23-2009, 03:54 PM
:sad:

George :haha: :haha:

0 for 3 I think Rafito :hug:

Spanish team should be in a real positive frame of mind come DC Final :rocker2:

London crowd :hearts:

Björki
11-23-2009, 03:55 PM
Who's Nadal playing next? Djokovic or Davydenko?

the loser of them.

l_mac
11-23-2009, 03:55 PM
Who's Nadal playing next? Djokovic or Davydenko?

Depends which one loses.

Burrow
11-23-2009, 03:55 PM
:haha: YAAAAAAAAAAAAS

Dedicated to JulianGago, I_Mac, Nadal=FedKiller etc etc.

Start da Game
11-23-2009, 03:56 PM
@nadal fans

let the haters celebrate........this is a defeat of zero importance.......i din't even care for this match and din't comment before the match because i knew rafa is just not himself at present and might fall short against soderdung who is playing on his favorite surface........his groundgame is totally out of sync and is not even 20% of what it was earlier this year.......he displayed some of his tenacity against tsonga but really it looks like he is struggling with his movement towards his right and is totally out of rhythm due to that main reason.......his backhand looks pathetic at best, both when returning and rallying.......a long break and some tennis on clay again is what he needs.......this is all a result of rushing himself into the tour........he really should have rested all of beijing and shanghai and let his body heal totally.......anyone who has been following the sport even for 1 year knows that he is not half of what he was earlier this year.......

bottomline:he will not gain much from this event and will end the season by crushing israel on clay in december.......a fresh start in january after a month of rest to heal himself up fully will help him immensely.......sometimes, all it takes is a little rub of green going his way to turn things around.......staying fit must be his biggest goal for the next year.......

Orka_n
11-23-2009, 03:56 PM
Expected result and SO awesomely good for the game. Although to Nadull-fans this still doesn't mean Soderling is a good player, just that Rafa is still injured. Injured... the most pathetic excuse ever. If you're not fit, then don't take the court. Yeah, Nadal is out of form, fine. Call me when he finds it again.

ImmzB
11-23-2009, 03:56 PM
the loser of them.

Thanks

Burrow
11-23-2009, 03:57 PM
I'm just stunned. I expected Nadal to come in here with a new game plan, and yet, it was the same one that makes him extremely vulnerable to everyone else. I wish Uncle Toni would take Rafa and shake some sense into him. WTF is going on? Is Davis Cup really that much more important than trying to get the No. 1 ranking back? I'm a big Rafa fan, but I'm tired of the excuses. He needs to quit being stubborn and start being realistic. Rafa, you need to SERIOUSLY change your game!!!:eek:

I told you that you were talking absolute crap. You must've watched tennis for about 30 minutes in your whole life.

Corey Feldman
11-23-2009, 03:57 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02EK19m5E716M/610x.jpg

whoaa :eek:

Burrow
11-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Expected result and SO awesomely good for the game. Although to Nadull-fans this still doesn't mean Soderling is a good player, just that Rafa is still injured. Injured... the most pathetic excuse ever. If you're not fit, then don't take the court. Yeah, Nadal is out of form, fine. Call me when he finds it again.

:lol: Nadal is basically never in form at this time of year so that excuse is bullshit.

This is a slow playing indoor court, Soderling just humped him yet again.

lina_seta
11-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 04:00 PM
Nadal has done brilliantly in H2Hs so far, but he blossomed early and has only just started his decline. His H2Hs won't look so good in another 2 years. The point about Federer is that by every conceivable standard of measurement, Federer is a superior player to Nadal, so (just as in the case of Sampras & Krajicek) the only possible conclusion is that in *this* case, Nadal's good H2H is largely down to the match-up, particularly on clay (where Nadal has scored 70% of his wins against Fed).

No, fail. I consider Nadal as a better player than Federer overall. Federer has just a lot more of consistancy. It's not a match up problem on clay, as Nadal was beating everybody. Nadal is also one of the few players that does not fear playing Federer and does not choke against the Swiss. He was able to handle the pressure.

Nadal was winning the majority of his match against everybody, so you can't call that "match up".

Sunset of Age
11-23-2009, 04:01 PM
Nadal's moonballing today made even Murray look aggressive. Yes, he was outplayed, but don't write him off yet. I don't think he will qualify for the semis in this tournament, but he will still be a factor in all the slams in 2010. He is still world #2.

Too much sense for this board. :yeah:
People write off players much, much too soon, and on the other hand, they expect too much from them just the same at times. Söderling was the better player today, Rafa is out of form but even so, he's never been a HC Wonder, whereas indoor HC is supposed to be Söderling's best. :shrug:
Reality, folks.

your_valentine
11-23-2009, 04:01 PM
Nadull :haha::haha::haha:

Robin :kiss:

Schu
11-23-2009, 04:02 PM
Nadal is digusting. He is an embarassment for himself. he is so bad this is incredible. he turned into a tomato can. I hope he will withdraw as he will probably not win a single set.

His level is awful and he has all the signs of a player who is shot, done. That's a shame. He was really on his way to become one of the best and now he is not playing at a top 20 level anymore.

He should quit the masters and try a comeback next season. He may do better than now.

CLearly Nadal is in a slump, mentally and physically, from which he may or may not recover. But quiting is not the answer. At least he is man enough to play instead of run and hide because he's not playing his best.

Most players have ups and downs in their careers and MTF loves to write off players waaay too quickly. Nadal is on a down (much to the delight of MTF Rafa haters) but he is too competitive a person to stay that way. He may never see #1 or #2 again but it won't be because he gave up - might just be because he's loosing to better players.

Maybe it's time to say :wavey: to Uncle Toni... and get a fresh coaching approach. It might have been good for Nadal to have "family" supporting him when he was younger but perhaps it's time to spread his wings. I'm not blaming Uncle Toni for Rafa's decline but it looks like Nadal needs a new approach as the old one is just that -old and not working any more.

Nolby
11-23-2009, 04:03 PM
whoaa :eek:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05LI5bufdv9lt/610x.jpg

:hug:

Orka_n
11-23-2009, 04:04 PM
No, fail. I consider Nadal as a better player than Federer overall. Federer has just a lot more of consistancy. It's not a match up problem on clay, as Nadal was beating everybody. Nadal is also one of the few players that does not fear playing Federer and does not choke against the Swiss. He was able to handle the pressure.

Nadal was winning the majority of his match against everybody, so you can't call that "match up".:haha:
Go back to school.

ShotmaKer
11-23-2009, 04:04 PM
No, fail. I consider Nadal as a better player than Federer overall. Federer has just a lot more of consistancy. It's not a match up problem on clay, as Nadal was beating everybody. Nadal is also one of the few players that does not fear playing Federer and does not choke against the Swiss. He was able to handle the pressure.

Nadal was winning the majority of his match against everybody, so you can't call that "match up".

whatever rocks your boat :baby:

timafi
11-23-2009, 04:04 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02EK19m5E716M/610x.jpg



Robin:yeah::devil::devil:

Jarl_02
11-23-2009, 04:06 PM
@nadal fans

let the haters celebrate........this is a defeat of zero importance.......i din't even care for this match and din't comment before the match because i knew rafa is just not himself at present and might fall short against soderdung who is playing on his favorite surface........his groundgame is totally out of sync and is not even 20% of what it was earlier this year.......he displayed some of his tenacity against tsonga but really it looks like he is struggling with his movement towards his right and is totally out of rhythm due to that main reason.......his backhand looks pathetic at best, both when returning and rallying.......a long break and some tennis on clay again is what he needs.......this is all a result of rushing himself into the tour........he really should have rested all of beijing and shanghai and let his body heal totally.......anyone who has been following the sport even for 1 year knows that he is not half of what he was earlier this year.......

I think this is unfair to Soderling then, I mean, you're saying Soderling just won becuase Nadal wasn't himseld :confused: you're kinda right, Nadal hasn't playing the way he played at beginning of the season, but that doesn't mean it a match with "zero importance" Nadal has always struggle a little bit with these kind of players like Soderling.

So everytime Federer hast lost this year you can say those matches have zero importance becuase Federer isn't playing like he played in 2006 and 2007.

You have to give credits to Soderling, this match was all Soderling all the good and bad things, Nadal was just....like standing there

Byrd
11-23-2009, 04:06 PM
Nadal a better player than Fed overall... :lol:

Surcouf
11-23-2009, 04:07 PM
CLearly Nadal is in a slump, mentally and physically, from which he may or may not recover. But quiting is not the answer. At least he is man enough to play instead of run and hide because he's not playing his best.

Most players have ups and downs in their careers - Nadal is on a down (much to the delight of MTF Rafa haters) but he is too competitive a person to stay that way. He may never see #1 or #2 again but it won't be because he gave up - might just be because he's loosing to better players.

Maybe it's time to say :wavey: to Uncle Toni... and get a fresh coaching approach. It might have been good for Nadal to have "family" supporting him when he was younger but perhaps it's time to spread his wings. I'm not blaming Uncle Toni for Rafa's decline but it looks like Nadal needs a new approach as the old one is just that - old.

Maybe you are right and Nadal needs a new approach. But his game was working just fine and finding back his level would be the easiest rather than chaging his game.

I can't imagine Nadal staying in that kind of shaoe and continuing to play just for losing. I don't see him being able to take that and become a Marat Safin bis. I think that he would rather than retire than continue to lose like that. It's either make or break for the two next seasons in my opinion.

madmax
11-23-2009, 04:07 PM
No, fail. I consider Nadal as a better player than Federer overall. Federer has just a lot more of consistancy. It's not a match up problem on clay, as Nadal was beating everybody. Nadal is also one of the few players that does not fear playing Federer and does not choke against the Swiss. He was able to handle the pressure.

Nadal was winning the majority of his match against everybody, so you can't call that "match up".

that, ladies and gents, is delusionat it's finest:haha::haha:

Arkulari
11-23-2009, 04:07 PM
technically speaking, Rafa isn't a better player than Roger, mentally speaking yes ;)

barbadosan
11-23-2009, 04:07 PM
No, fail. I consider Nadal as a better player than Federer overall. Federer has just a lot more of consistancy. It's not a match up problem on clay, as Nadal was beating everybody. Nadal is also one of the few players that does not fear playing Federer and does not choke against the Swiss. He was able to handle the pressure.

Nadal was winning the majority of his match against everybody, so you can't call that "match up".

Guess you started watching AFTER Fed was winning all of his matches against everybody... like winning 18 finals in a row!

HarryMan
11-23-2009, 04:08 PM
Soderling proving RG was not just one off thing, clearly had Nadal running all over the court with his huge groundstrokes. He didn't play as well he played at RG but on this surface that was enough for him to beat Nadal.

Nadal is a champion and will be back, many on this board overreact over a win or a loss, sadly.

tennisace28
11-23-2009, 04:08 PM
painful watching rafa shanking shots, hitting with zero depth, returning horribly and serving soo erractically. I just feel he needs to put this year behind him and start a fresh 2010. The remaining 2 matches against davydenko and djokovic is gonna be brutal on rafa. Im just waiting for rafa to end this season and comeback next year strong, ready, focused and sharp again!

scarecrows
11-23-2009, 04:08 PM
Maybe it's time to say :wavey: to Uncle Toni... and get a fresh coaching approach. It might have been good for Nadal to have "family" supporting him when he was younger but perhaps it's time to spread his wings. I'm not blaming Uncle Toni for Rafa's decline but it looks like Nadal needs a new approach as the old one is just that - old.

I heard the same thing at the end of 2007, then he became no.1, then he won AO.

Toni is a genius IMO, with the dough he had he was able to prepare the best possible bread

manuel84
11-23-2009, 04:10 PM
Nadal matches up well against Federer. So what? So does Murray. Krajicek matched up well against Sampras. Who gives a toss?


Don't forget co-GOAT Laver who had trouble w/ the likes of Rosewall and Pancho G.

Anyway, it's not so much the losses but the way Nadal has been losing lately. Timid by his standards.

rofe
11-23-2009, 04:12 PM
Nadal was ok but these past few months, Nadal has been letting good shots from his opponent go for winners. Last year, he would retrieve everything, and make his opponents overcook their shots trying to get through his defense.

It is possible he is trying to protect his knees but if that is the case, he will have no choice but to be more aggressive. That presents a dilemma for him. Should he wean himself away from his naturally defensive game and tinker with such a core part of his game or keep doing what he has been doing lately and in the process lose more and hope for the best?

zicofirol
11-23-2009, 04:13 PM
Söderling wasn't even playing that great, but he always had the game to beat nadal but he always choked, hopefully that has changed after RO... as for Nadal, is their a top 10 player aside from any spanish player in the top 10, that he can beat???

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 04:14 PM
I consider Nadal as a better player than Federer overall.

Nadal doesn't.

sawan66278
11-23-2009, 04:15 PM
put on that clownish pants again...it suits you.

Well put.:sad:

Where to begin? For Rafa fans, THE most disappointing loss since RG...To lose to this classless clown? Shameful. The Swede's reaction after winning was borderline psychotic...and indicative of a player who will NEVER achieve slam success in the end: because he's obviously obsessed with defeating Rafa...and feels like THAT'S as good as winning a slam. When you stick your finger up after winning a match and your name is Boris Becker, it's the trappings of a legend. When you stick your finger up and you've never even cracked the top five, its like seeing the child of police officer dressing up in daddy's uniform: cute if you're five, but pathetic if your in your 20's.

As for Rafa? The man's game is a complete wreck. No pace on his shots. Strategy? Rats in a maze make better adjustments. Mentally? Nervous on the big points...freezing up to the point of NOT challenging a clear ace in the first that turned the ENTIRE match around. From 5-5, to losing the first. Then, after breaking in the second, turning around a giving the break back. And, failing to win the turning point fifth game of the second...par for the course for Rafa now.

Where is the flat forehand? Why is he not hitting down the line any longer? Hitting to the backhand time and time again? Almost as certain as the rising of the sun. How about going forehand, backhand, forehand, backhand a few times a game? Beyond the "intelligence" of Rafa and his team.

Rafa needs to:

1. Change or add to his coaching squad. EVERY player or team eventually realizes...its time to move on from one coach to another...if for no other reason than freshness. No one says get rid of Toni...but add someone (a la Novak), and grow...or go the way of the dinosaurs.
2. Get rid of the polo shirt...and go back to bare basics...mentally moving back to fighting...and not preening.
3. Work on his movement and strategy...which makes three month stale bread look fresh.
4. Create a checklist of "revenge desires"...Jimmy Connors said he would chase Borg to the ends of the world...Rafa needs to want to do this.

Rafa is close in these matches...a few points here and there. But, if he doesn't make these changes, better to retire now. Mr. Gilbert, Mr. Cahill, or Mr. McEnroe are awaiting your calls.

Commander Data
11-23-2009, 04:18 PM
Nadal was ok but these past few months, Nadal has been letting good shots from his opponent go for winners. Last year, he would retrieve everything, and make his opponents overcook their shots trying to get through his defense.

It is possible he is trying to protect his knees but if that is the case, he will have no choice but to be more aggressive. That presents a dilemma for him. Should he wean himself away from his naturally defensive game and tinker with such a core part of his game or keep doing what he has been doing lately and in the process lose more and hope for the best?

He should keep his natural style of play that won him Slams and all surfaces and just reduce his scheduling to give his body less strain. I don't think there is another way. Gotta keep doing what he does best.

Nolby
11-23-2009, 04:20 PM
The key to the match was Robin holding serve in that 12 minute service game at 6-4, 2-2. That game about gave me a heart attack! Great win, Robin!!!! R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08y23kd6EQ6Sd/610x.jpg

Certinfy
11-23-2009, 04:21 PM
How many BP's did Robin save in the 5th game of 2nd set?

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahhahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahhahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahhahahahahahaha

Suck It Nadull And Your Pathetic Fanboys.
Piggy Got Fucking Roasted...gooooo Soderking.

rofe
11-23-2009, 04:22 PM
He should keep his natural style of play that won him Slams and all surfaces and just reduce his scheduling to give his body less strain. I don't think there is another way. Gotta keep doing what he does best.

The thing with Nadal is that he needs to keep playing a certain number of tournaments or he gets rusty real fast. Reducing the total number of tournaments to protect his knees may not work out.

Sunset of Age
11-23-2009, 04:22 PM
The key to the match was Robin holding serve in that 12 minute service game at 6-4, 2-2. That game about gave me a heart attack! Great win, Robin!!!! R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!!

Yep, I feel the same. If he had lost his serve there, outcome might well have been very different. Kudos for him being able to keep his cool there. :yeah:

Dini
11-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Well put.:sad:

Where to begin? For Rafa fans, THE most disappointing loss since RG...To lose to this classless clown? Shameful. The Swede's reaction after winning was borderline psychotic...and indicative of a player who will NEVER achieve slam success in the end: because he's obviously obsessed with defeating Rafa...and feels like THAT'S as good as winning a slam. When you stick your finger up after winning a match and your name is Boris Becker, it's the trappings of a legend. When you stick your finger up and you've never even cracked the top five, its like seeing the child of police officer dressing up in daddy's uniform: cute if you're five, but pathetic if your in your 20's.

Selectively seeing things are we? ;) Nadal does that all the time. :shrug:

cardio
11-23-2009, 04:23 PM
Del Potro and Söderling won last 5 matches they played against Rafa . They are both tall, aggressive and hitting solid double-handed backhand . Obviously it is the worst possible matchup for Nadal and he is running out of ideas how to hurt them.

dylan24
11-23-2009, 04:23 PM
time for nike or adidas to pay the toad.
sad a legend like this has to wear fucking lotto

Deivid23
11-23-2009, 04:23 PM
Expected straight sets win by Soderling

foul_dwimmerlaik
11-23-2009, 04:25 PM
How many BP's did Robin save in the 5th game of 2nd set?
Just one. There was a lot of deuce-ad in.

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:26 PM
Well put.:sad:

Where to begin? For Rafa fans, THE most disappointing loss since RG...To lose to this classless clown? Shameful. The Swede's reaction after winning was borderline psychotic...and indicative of a player who will NEVER achieve slam success in the end: because he's obviously obsessed with defeating Rafa...and feels like THAT'S as good as winning a slam. When you stick your finger up after winning a match and your name is Boris Becker, it's the trappings of a legend. When you stick your finger up and you've never even cracked the top five, its like seeing the child of police officer dressing up in daddy's uniform: cute if you're five, but pathetic if your in your 20's.



Nadull is about as classless as anyone in the game of tennis in terms of oncourt antics so shut the fuck up with your obviously biased selective memory. That is why you Nadull-fanboys are so pathetic. Fuck off.

Corey Feldman
11-23-2009, 04:27 PM
:lol:

Orka_n
11-23-2009, 04:27 PM
time for nike or adidas to pay the toad.
sad a legend like this has to wear fucking lottoVery true. But I think I heard somewhere it was going to be Adidas from next year on... I read it on this board I think.

*Jean*
11-23-2009, 04:28 PM
Just WOOOOW!
Robin :eek: Well done! :hearts:

Dini
11-23-2009, 04:30 PM
Wasn't he with Adidas previously? :scratch:

Start da Game
11-23-2009, 04:30 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahhahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahhahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahhahahahahahaha

Suck It Nadull And Your Pathetic Fanboys.
Piggy Got Fucking Roasted...gooooo Soderking.

you are trying to swim in a godown full of cow dung and are stuck at the bottom, no oxygen........get yourself breathing again so that you can think and write.......

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:31 PM
you are trying to swim in a godown full of cow dung and are stuck at the bottom, no oxygen........get yourself breathing again so that you can think and write.......

Nadull fanboys:

"WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

Nolby
11-23-2009, 04:31 PM
Yep, I feel the same. If he had lost his serve there, outcome might well have been very different. Kudos for him being able to keep his cool there. :yeah:

Thanks, Bonnie. I'm not sure how many BPs he saved, but there must have been about 10 Deuces. Rafa played tough and one point could have turned this match around. It was extremely close and both played well. Rafa will win his next match. Count on it! :yeah:

Robin's reaction was about getting respect and winning a big match the way Nole does too. It was not personal.

All haters putting down Rafa and making Sod into some kind of demon, please look at the eye to eye contact, respect from both players at the net and warm handshake. These two pros respect each other. :hug:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05LI5bufdv9lt/610x.jpg

Corey Feldman
11-23-2009, 04:32 PM
you are trying to swim in a godown full of cow dung and are stuck at the bottom, no oxygen........get yourself breathing again so that you can think and write.......
http://astrology.earthlyreturns.com/Doctor%20offering%20a%20box%20of%20tissues.jpg

tennisace28
11-23-2009, 04:32 PM
couldnt agree more with everything you had to say, the first truly insightful post on this thread! as usual sawan! although I am still devastated that he can lose to a mono dimensional player like the swede who screamed like a barbarian at the end. DISGUSTING!

Well put.:sad:

Where to begin? For Rafa fans, THE most disappointing loss since RG...To lose to this classless clown? Shameful. The Swede's reaction after winning was borderline psychotic...and indicative of a player who will NEVER achieve slam success in the end: because he's obviously obsessed with defeating Rafa...and feels like THAT'S as good as winning a slam. When you stick your finger up after winning a match and your name is Boris Becker, it's the trappings of a legend. When you stick your finger up and you've never even cracked the top five, its like seeing the child of police officer dressing up in daddy's uniform: cute if you're five, but pathetic if your in your 20's.

As for Rafa? The man's game is a complete wreck. No pace on his shots. Strategy? Rats in a maze make better adjustments. Mentally? Nervous on the big points...freezing up to the point of NOT challenging a clear ace in the first that turned the ENTIRE match around. From 5-5, to losing the first. Then, after breaking in the second, turning around a giving the break back. And, failing to win the turning point fifth game of the second...par for the course for Rafa now.

Where is the flat forehand? Why is he not hitting down the line any longer? Hitting to the backhand time and time again? Almost as certain as the rising of the sun. How about going forehand, backhand, forehand, backhand a few times a game? Beyond the "intelligence" of Rafa and his team.

Rafa needs to:

1. Change or add to his coaching squad. EVERY player or team eventually realizes...its time to move on from one coach to another...if for no other reason than freshness. No one says get rid of Toni...but add someone (a la Novak), and grow...or go the way of the dinosaurs.
2. Get rid of the polo shirt...and go back to bare basics...mentally moving back to fighting...and not preening.
3. Work on his movement and strategy...which makes three month stale bread look fresh.
4. Create a checklist of "revenge desires"...Jimmy Connors said he would chase Borg to the ends of the world...Rafa needs to want to do this.

Rafa is close in these matches...a few points here and there. But, if he doesn't make these changes, better to retire now. Mr. Gilbert, Mr. Cahill, or Mr. McEnroe are awaiting your calls.

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:33 PM
It's amazing how every mounting Nadull loss continues to expose Nadull fans how mentally retarded and delusional they really are. :lol:

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:34 PM
couldnt agree more with everything you had to say, the first truly insightful post on this thread! as usual sawan! although I am still devastated that he can lose to a mono dimensional player like the swede who screamed like a barbarian at the end. DISGUSTING!

As opposed to Nadull screaming Vamos and jumping around like a fucking monkey after each point? STFU fanboy.

Start da Game
11-23-2009, 04:35 PM
http://astrology.earthlyreturns.com/Doctor%20offering%20a%20box%20of%20tissues.jpg

shove it up your arse.......

Orka_n
11-23-2009, 04:36 PM
Wasn't he with Adidas previously? :scratch:Yes he was... bah, I dunno. I HOPE Adidas will take him back 2010 now that he's actually a player to be reckoned with. :)

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:36 PM
shove it up your arse.......

:lol::lol:

Nadull fanboys are all committing suicide right now as we speak.

Burrow
11-23-2009, 04:39 PM
where can i find highlights?

Byrd
11-23-2009, 04:40 PM
Ichiban is tearing it up :lol:

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:41 PM
It's my job to put these pathetic Nadull-fanboys in their place. They're the scourge and bane of the tennis world.

DanaKz
11-23-2009, 04:41 PM
Why don't just agree that Robin was simply better? If Nadal was "injured" or "stressed" of "nervous" - it's not Robin's problems.
Don't forget: Robin is injured (he has a lot of problems with his elbow), Robin is stressed and nervous (it is his first WTF and he is ALLWAYS nervous) - with all these excuses don't forget - Soder has all of them too!

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 04:42 PM
:lol::lol:

Nadull fanboys are all committing suicide right now as we speak.

What an irreparable loss!

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:43 PM
Where's Clay-death-retard at?

Start da Game
11-23-2009, 04:44 PM
:lol::lol:

Nadull fanboys are all committing suicide right now as we speak.

Ichiban is tearing it up :lol:

soderdung fans / rafa haters are funnier than dwarfs........enjoy your good time which won't last for much time, soderling is making his tennis life over nadal's injuries....... :D

Burrow
11-23-2009, 04:45 PM
What? So the (bullshit) excuses right now for Nadal are: Injured :bs:, Stressed :spit: , nervous :haha:, out of form :rolls:

Unreal.

Burrow
11-23-2009, 04:45 PM
soderdung fans / rafa haters are funnier than dwarfs........enjoy your good time which won't last for much time, soderling is making his tennis life over nadal's injuries....... :D

You are so deluded, he isn't injured. :o

Knotty Fort
11-23-2009, 04:47 PM
Well one thing I have noticed that is missing from Nadal's present game is his running ability. Remember those days he would hit at least 2 or 3 "screamers" from the most jaw-dropping positions on the court for a winner? I don't think those shots are just flashy, they also demoralize the opponent A LOT, making them to go for too much eventually. Nowadays, he can't do them anymore and his oppoents are definitely in a much better frame of mind to go for controlled aggression because there is no need to go for so much.

madmax
11-23-2009, 04:47 PM
What? So the (bullshit) excuses right now for Nadal are: Injured :bs:, Stressed :spit: , nervous :haha:, out of form :rolls:

Unreal.

don't you just love the fountain of excuses flowing already?:devil:

superslam77
11-23-2009, 04:47 PM
Hello Soderking faaaaaans!!!! :yippee:

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:


:banana: turn in line for kolya roaster and nole HC roaster :worship:

the time has come for tennis to be ALIVE AND WELL :worship:

Byrd
11-23-2009, 04:47 PM
soderdung fans / rafa haters are funnier than dwarfs........enjoy your good time which won't last for much time, soderling is making his tennis life over nadal's injuries....... :D

:sad:

Chiakifug
11-23-2009, 04:49 PM
Soderking is the new boogeyman for Rafa fangirls. :sad:

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 04:49 PM
No, fail. I consider Nadal as a better player than Federer overall. Federer has just a lot more of consistancy. It's not a match up problem on clay, as Nadal was beating everybody. Nadal is also one of the few players that does not fear playing Federer and does not choke against the Swiss. He was able to handle the pressure.

Nadal was winning the majority of his match against everybody, so you can't call that "match up".

Nurse!

My posting said "by any conceivable standard of measurement". Your delusions fail to constitute a standard of measurement. By what conceivable standard is Nadal to be judged better than Federer? Slam record? Titles won? Rankings history? All-surface versatility? The only meaningful stat in Nadal's favour is his overall win-loss %, but that, as I say, will change as Nadal declines. So given that Federer is better than Nadal, the only explanation of their H2H is that Nadal is a bad match-up for Federer. This isn't needed to explain Nadal's good H2Hs with other players, as we can all agree that by any conceivable standard of measurement Nadal is better than all current players apart from Federer.

Ad Wim
11-23-2009, 04:50 PM
Nadal is done.

Start da Game
11-23-2009, 04:51 PM
Well one thing I have noticed that is missing from Nadal's present game is his running ability. Remember those days he would hit at least 2 or 3 "screamers" from the most jaw-dropping positions on the court for a winner? I don't think those shots are just flashy, they also demoralize the opponent A LOT, making them to go for too much eventually. Nowadays, he can't do them anymore and his oppoents are definitely in a much better frame of mind to go for controlled aggression because there is no need to go for so much.

finally some sense after a bunch of whores screaming and bitching nadal.......he is not moving well to his right hand side.......as a result of that, his backhand is just not what it was earlier.......it is affecting his return of serve a ton as well.......they are just dragging him to the backhand side over and over and opening the court with the next shot.......time and rest are the only solutions for this problem.......we understand, retards don't........

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:51 PM
Nadull is done.

mandeep
11-23-2009, 04:52 PM
I laugh again, Federer is supposed to be the best player ever, and Nadal was always dominating him. Your observation don't work.

Nadal, before his injury, was getting better and better. He was dominating on every surface. And you want to make me believe that it's not his big injury who stopped him? Some sportsmen are never the same after these kind of injuries. That's what happened to Nadal. I hope he can come back next season, but it won't be easy.

Nadal's shape is the only factor I take account as he is the main factor.

I have nothing against rafa, but injuries are part of pro sports. I remember back when rafa was making his big run, people were saying he will burn out and he can't continue to play this way. His style is too hard on his body. It seems those people were right, he has paid long term price for his short term success. such is life.

Corey Feldman
11-23-2009, 04:53 PM
Well one thing I have noticed that is missing from Nadal's present game is his running ability. Remember those days he would hit at least 2 or 3 "screamers" from the most jaw-dropping positions on the court for a winner? I don't think those shots are just flashy, they also demoralize the opponent A LOT, making them to go for too much eventually. Nowadays, he can't do them anymore and his oppoents are definitely in a much better frame of mind to go for controlled aggression because there is no need to go for so much.its like Federer, the glory days wernt gonna last forever.. sooner or later they come down of that stratosphere

DanaKz
11-23-2009, 04:54 PM
Hey guys, let's remember Nadal's own words: he said he is in good form phisically and mentally, he is close to his best form and blah-blah-blah...
Oh my god... You think Nadal is just a liar? It's so pity...

Guy Haines
11-23-2009, 04:56 PM
Respect (blech) to (ugh) Soderling. Beating Nadal is his raison d'être thus far so he must be in hog heaven.

Not a good look for Nadal. He has a lot if corners to try and turn next year.

Christmas comes early (again) on MTF in 09.:lol:

Ichiban1920
11-23-2009, 04:56 PM
Nadull fanboys will continue to cling to their pathetic little delusions and hopes that Nadull is truly more than just a moonballing mug who's past his prime. Sad really.

Byrd
11-23-2009, 04:56 PM
Old man Nadull he ain't what he used to be, ain't what he used to be, ain't what he used to be :lol:

DanaKz
11-23-2009, 04:57 PM
That's pathetic - to excuse Nadal because of injuries - Robin can be called one of the most injured men in the Tour.

Apemant
11-23-2009, 04:58 PM
No, fail. I consider Nadal as a better player than Federer overall. Federer has just a lot more of consistancy. It's not a match up problem on clay, as Nadal was beating everybody. Nadal is also one of the few players that does not fear playing Federer and does not choke against the Swiss. He was able to handle the pressure.

Nadal was winning the majority of his match against everybody, so you can't call that "match up".

My IQ just dropped like 10 points after the unfortunate event of accidentally reading this post above. :worship:

SetSampras
11-23-2009, 04:59 PM
Im through with Nadal. Hes nothing short of a fucking CLOWN for going on a year now. Now I hear he missed Wimbeldon due to family reasons. It had nothing to do with being injured. If hes gonna put on half assed performances like this against a mental goof in Soderling, he may as well just sit home and not poison us with his mediocrity

mandeep
11-23-2009, 04:59 PM
@nadal fans

let the haters celebrate........this is a defeat of zero importance.......i din't even care for this match and din't comment before the match because i knew rafa is just not himself at present and might fall short against soderdung who is playing on his favorite surface........his groundgame is totally out of sync and is not even 20% of what it was earlier this year.......he displayed some of his tenacity against tsonga but really it looks like he is struggling with his movement towards his right and is totally out of rhythm due to that main reason.......his backhand looks pathetic at best, both when returning and rallying.......a long break and some tennis on clay again is what he needs.......this is all a result of rushing himself into the tour........he really should have rested all of beijing and shanghai and let his body heal totally.......anyone who has been following the sport even for 1 year knows that he is not half of what he was earlier this year.......

bottomline:he will not gain much from this event and will end the season by crushing israel on clay in december.......a fresh start in january after a month of rest to heal himself up fully will help him immensely.......sometimes, all it takes is a little rub of green going his way to turn things around.......staying fit must be his biggest goal for the next year.......

The match is not of zero importance. Perhaps, it is of zero importance to you because it does not in any way feed into your tardism.

It is important to the rest of the tennis world because it goes to confirm that Rafa, the number 2 ranked player in the world is not playing well.

You have to learn to take the good with bad. I could imagine you as a child. You were that kid on the playground that kept asking for re-do's and making excuses every time you lost, and if you ever won, you refused to play again, due to the fear of losing.