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Who has the best volley among active players?

paseo
11-22-2009, 08:37 AM
Most of pro players nowadays are baseliners. But, even though they spend a lot of time on the baseline, some of them can hit very good volleys. Like Federer, Haas, Hewitt. But, when I'm thinking about good volleys, the S&V players like Stepanek, Dent, Lopez (is he a s&v player?) surely hit better volleys, right? or am I wrong? Is the best volleyer today playing from the baseline? or he's among the few S&V-er?

I'm curious, who do you think has the best volley among active player?

Yves.
11-22-2009, 08:38 AM
Roger Federer

leng jai
11-22-2009, 08:39 AM
Andy Murray.

rhinooooo
11-22-2009, 08:43 AM
Igor Andreev

Sri
11-22-2009, 08:46 AM
Federer started out as a serve & volley player so I believe he has a very good net game. Of course that gets over shadowed by his brilliant over all game and that "super perfect" forehand as Rafa describes it. However these days he has become FedError so Fed might not have the best net game based on current form.

n8
11-22-2009, 08:54 AM
Based on what I've seen, I would say Hewitt. Unfortunately I haven't seen enough professional tennis to make an authoritative decision.

paseo
11-22-2009, 08:55 AM
Federer started out as a serve & volley player so I believe he has a very good net game. Of course that gets over shadowed by his brilliant over all game and that "super perfect" forehand as Rafa describes it. However these days he has become FedError so Fed might not have the best net game based on current form.

Fed does have a good volley. But, is it better than Stepanek? Or even Haas? I've heard a commentator (I forgot who it is :p) said, that Hewitt has a better volley than Fed. I don't think so, but I guess it's a matter of opinion :shrug:

paseo
11-22-2009, 08:57 AM
Based on what I've seen, I would say Hewitt. Unfortunately I haven't seen enough professional tennis to make an authoritative decision.

Hey, I was just typing. Maybe you're that commentator :p

rhinooooo
11-22-2009, 08:59 AM
Llodra is a better volleyer than all of them.

Snoo Foo
11-22-2009, 09:04 AM
Llodra is a better volleyer than all of them.

si4

http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Your_Game/Instruction_Articles/Net_Game/2009_03_31_llodra2.jpg

oranges
11-22-2009, 09:35 AM
Only Llodra and he play volleys like this today

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samanosuke
11-22-2009, 09:36 AM
Andy Murray.

:haha:

n8
11-22-2009, 10:00 AM
Hey, I was just typing. Maybe you're that commentator :p

Wow, creepy. But if I was the commentator I don't think I would be saying that I haven't seen much professional tennis. I'm glad he agrees with me though:).

orangehat
11-22-2009, 10:03 AM
Llodra :)

madmax
11-22-2009, 10:04 AM
Definitely Sexy - cheeky bastard toys with his opponents at the net...

Jōris
11-22-2009, 10:12 AM
Llodra.

duong
11-22-2009, 11:22 AM
Andy Murray.

I guess you're kidding here :confused: :lol:

Stepanek or Llodra, I don't know exactly, Stepanek makes more impressive things but Llodra is more effective, I think.

I voted Stepanek but rather by personal impulsion for the "sexiest volleyer" :lol:

About Ancic why did he nearly stop volleying in his last years ?

Nidhogg
11-22-2009, 11:31 AM
About Ancic why did he nearly stop volleying in his last years ?

Surfaces fast enough for him to attack the net on became more and more of a rarity.

duong
11-22-2009, 11:36 AM
Surfaces fast enough for him to attack the net on became more and more of a rarity.

I know but the change was so huge :confused:

Nidhogg
11-22-2009, 11:45 AM
I know but the change was so huge :confused:

His confidence probably went with close matches and losses on grass to the likes of Ferrer and Verdasco, and so he felt less silly grinding away with that, cough, beautiful forehand of his from the baseline, rather than getting passed left and right up at the net.

Hellraiser
11-22-2009, 12:08 PM
Sexy Radek no doubt

born_on_clay
11-22-2009, 12:32 PM
Robredo, Tommy

latso
11-22-2009, 12:44 PM
I hate to say it but it's obvious that hot lips is the best volleyer in the tour nowadays.

He's better than the others imo because he has a bit more variety than other good volleyers like Llodra and Federer.

In any case, he has to be good at smth to be top 15, when he has no FH and no BH.

Serve, volley and footwork. These have to be top level to drag you into the top places. So no doubt for me.

The only one in ATP being close to Radek's volleying is eventually Kubot.

Of course, half of the top 20 players in the doubles ranking as well

oranges
11-22-2009, 12:47 PM
About Ancic why did he nearly stop volleying in his last years ?

He does it less often outside Wimbledon than I think he should, but it's not really nearly gone. Perhaps if he gets to play for a while without setbacks, when and how to mix it up would work better. As it is, there were matches when it looked great, but also those when I'd pull my hair out about the choices, more often when not going forward than the opposite.

oliverbwfc
11-22-2009, 12:48 PM
Stepanek, then probably roger or ancic

oranges
11-22-2009, 12:56 PM
I hate to say it but it's obvious that hot lips is the best volleyer in the tour nowadays.

He's better than the others imo because he has a bit more variety than other good volleyers like Llodra and Federer.



:scratch: Llodra can play any volley in the book, plus a few others. Federer is not in the same league at all. Stepanek is closer, but I'd still take Mika's. Very few players today ever put themselves in the position to play the volleys that he routinely pulls off. It's the entire package, technique, net coverage, touch, anticipation and reflexes.

leng jai
11-22-2009, 12:59 PM
Its highly unlikely that baseliners such as Hewitt/Haas/Murray/Fedclown are going to be able to compete with guys who earn their living soley off their netplay.

Echoes
11-22-2009, 01:08 PM
I guess you're kidding here :confused: :lol:


No I don't agree. He may be right. It may very well be that Murray has a very good volley but as we hardly see him at the net it's hard to make an opinion.:rolls:


Well from the list, I'll go with Llodra but that's a personal choice (I can hardly believe I've voted for a Frenchman :lol:;)).

seljanin
11-22-2009, 01:09 PM
What is Hewitt doing in this poll? :scratch:

:scratch: Llodra can play any volley in the book, plus a few others. Federer is not in the same league at all. Stepanek is closer, but I'd still take Mika's. Very few players today ever put themselves in the position to play the volleys that he routinely pulls off. It's the entire package, technique, net coverage, touch, anticipation and reflexes.

Agree with this 100%. Llodra's volleys are near to perfection.

leng jai
11-22-2009, 01:18 PM
What is Hewitt doing in this poll? :scratch:



Agree with this 100%. Llodra's volleys are near to perfection.

Did you watch tennis before 2006?

rhinooooo
11-22-2009, 01:19 PM
I don't think anyone is close to Llodra's volleying skills. Steps has class, but I'd say he's a league below. Oranges summed it up best.

Byrd
11-22-2009, 01:21 PM
Andy Murray, he also has the best slice.... :lol:

duong
11-22-2009, 01:23 PM
No I don't agree. He may be right. It may very well be that Murray has a very good volley but as we hardly see him at the net it's hard to make an opinion.:rolls:


Actually he was kidding ;)

if you looked at the thread "in which aspects is Murray better than Federer ?" you would understand :lol:

seljanin
11-22-2009, 01:25 PM
Did you watch tennis before 2006?

Of course, I did. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never rated Hewitt's volleys to be among the best ones. Sure, he is no clown at the net, but he usually approaches it for making easy put-away volleys. If we are talking about pure volleying skills, then Hewitt doesn't really belong in this poll, in my opinion.

rhinooooo
11-22-2009, 01:26 PM
Andy Murray, he also has the best slice.... :lol:

Also has the best forehand and teeth in the game

rhinooooo
11-22-2009, 01:30 PM
Never in doubt that the Fedtards would be out in full force to sneak him to the top.

Bobby
11-22-2009, 01:33 PM
Llodra. Not trying to be rude, but those who vote for Federer don't really know that much about the game. Oranges put it very well.

Burrow
11-22-2009, 01:38 PM
Llodra, by far.

rocketassist
11-22-2009, 02:29 PM
Llodra.

szelesvigyor
11-22-2009, 02:54 PM
I'm surprised , that nobody mentioned Taylor Dent. Far the best volleys. plus I would go with Llodra and Santoro on the 2nd and 3rd place.

Chiakifug
11-22-2009, 02:56 PM
Llodra. Sure Steps' are sexy but Llodras are better.

Guga_fan
11-22-2009, 03:02 PM
Llodra. :lol: at the poll results so far

~*BGT*~
11-22-2009, 03:54 PM
I say Llodra but he has an advantage being both a singles and a doubles player. He's won GS in doubles.

Echoes
11-22-2009, 05:08 PM
Actually he was kidding ;)

if you looked at the thread "in which aspects is Murray better than Federer ?" you would understand :lol:

OK. Haven't read it. But I was kidding too. :D

Jōris
11-22-2009, 05:42 PM
Stepanek's poll result is x = x + 1. This is called the Glenn-is-banned equation.

djb84xi
11-22-2009, 05:54 PM
:D Stepanek has a pretty good touch at the net, but I can't believe Rafa wasn't listed as an option. He doesn't come to net as often as he needs to, but he can volley very well too. I wish more of the top players came to net.

Burrow
11-22-2009, 05:56 PM
:haha: says a lot about the game today if you think nadal can volley well

scarecrows
11-22-2009, 06:01 PM
:D Stepanek has a pretty good touch at the net, but I can't believe Rafa wasn't listed as an option. He doesn't come to net as often as he needs to, but he can volley very well too. I wish more of the top players came to net.

hmmm, no

zerocool_
11-22-2009, 06:07 PM
Llodra, Zimonjic have great volleys too

bhathiya9999
11-22-2009, 06:36 PM
I think federer got the best one..

oranges
11-22-2009, 06:36 PM
:D Stepanek has a pretty good touch at the net, but I can't believe Rafa wasn't listed as an option. He doesn't come to net as often as he needs to, but he can volley very well too. I wish more of the top players came to net.

:haha: You are joking, right? Davydenko should also be listed then. :lol:

Macbrother
11-22-2009, 07:02 PM
:haha: You are joking, right? Davydenko should also be listed then. :lol:

Come on oranges, you know Davydenko's 2-hand volleys are world class.

fast_clay
11-22-2009, 08:21 PM
couldnt choose more than 1 in this poll...

but i chose federer from this group:

federer, steppa, llodra

hewitt and haas in the next group...

Stepanek's poll result is x = x + 1. This is called the Glenn-is-banned equation.

i tried, but this equation is unbreakable...

hmmm, no

also very hard to fault this equation...

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 12:16 AM
Has Santoro officially retired?

paseo
11-23-2009, 12:17 AM
I'm surprised , that nobody mentioned Taylor Dent. Far the best volleys. plus I would go with Llodra and Santoro on the 2nd and 3rd place.

I was about to put Santoro on the poll, but he's retired now. And the poll is for active players only.

Arkulari
11-23-2009, 12:22 AM
Steps, Roger, Haasi and Llodra :)

leng jai
11-23-2009, 02:48 AM
Safin not winning?

Federerhingis
11-23-2009, 05:59 AM
Of course, I did. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never rated Hewitt's volleys to be among the best ones. Sure, he is no clown at the net, but he usually approaches it for making easy put-away volleys. If we are talking about pure volleying skills, then Hewitt doesn't really belong in this poll, in my opinion.

Technically this argument is correct however Lleyton is actually quite a decent volleyer, in fact he's quite comfortable at net, his net awareness is better than most, he actually has quite soft hands so he's not a total dope at net. He did play quite a few doubles matches early on on his career and I guess that accounts for his better than average net awareness, and obviously he's aussie, he should have some respect for serve and volleying. ;)

fast_clay
11-23-2009, 07:33 AM
Technically this argument is correct however Lleyton is actually quite a decent volleyer, in fact he's quite comfortable at net, his net awareness is better than most, he actually has quite soft hands so he's not a total dope at net. He did play quite a few doubles matches early on on his career and I guess that accounts for his better than average net awareness, and obviously he's aussie, he should have some respect for serve and volleying. ;)

he only won two titles...

2000 (2) US Open (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/US-Open.aspx) (w/Mirnyi (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Max-Mirnyi.aspx), Outdoor/Hard) , Indianapolis (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Indianapolis.aspx) (w/Stolle (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/St/S/Sandon-Stolle.aspx), Outdoor/Hard)

Quakes
11-23-2009, 07:39 AM
Stepanek. Federer used to be better, before 2003.

leng jai
11-23-2009, 07:40 AM
Federer is world no 1 and has 15 slams therefore he must be the best volleyer.

fast_clay
11-23-2009, 07:45 AM
its area i feel federer didnt persue the art as much as he should have... maybe he will... as he's performed before... doesnt have the flamboyance for the shot like llodra, nor the stomach for many unlikely yet still successful net raids... but still, technically, and in a tight spot, he more often than not puts himself in a much better than 50/50 bet with a volley...

Federerhingis
11-23-2009, 07:51 AM
he only won two titles...

2000 (2) US Open (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/US-Open.aspx) (w/Mirnyi (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Max-Mirnyi.aspx), Outdoor/Hard) , Indianapolis (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Indianapolis.aspx) (w/Stolle (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/St/S/Sandon-Stolle.aspx), Outdoor/Hard)

Nevertheless, that does not diminish his good volleying skills. Novotna was a more natural volleyer than Hingis yet Hingis won wimbledon earlier and had the better career, results alone don't prove or disprove completely whether a player has certain skills or not. I would never include Hewitt in a list where John McEneroe and other classic serve and volleyers are involved, nonetheless Hewitt still remains in my opionion a better volleyer than many want to give him credit for. Hewitt will never be an Edberg or a Rafter, but for a baseliner he's a pretty fine volleyer.

fast_clay
11-23-2009, 08:07 AM
Nevertheless, that does not diminish his good volleying skills. Novotna was a more natural volleyer than Hingis yet Hingis won wimbledon earlier and had the better career, results alone don't prove or disprove completely whether a player has certain skills or not. I would never include Hewitt in a list where John McEneroe and other classic serve and volleyers are involved, nonetheless Hewitt still remains in my opionion a better volleyer than many want to give him credit for. Hewitt will never be an Edberg or a Rafter, but for a baseliner he's a pretty fine volleyer.

he can still be chosen for davis cup duty on occasion... my post was to illustrate big doubles titles were not an issue for hewitt... more balls in play on return and accomplished volleys behind his partners serve were his strength...

had everything built for him to venture to the net, but, didnt explore it enough in singles play when he should have 2004-05... doubles took a distant back seat when he was playing too much i think...

leng jai
11-23-2009, 08:11 AM
Hewitt had epic drop volleys and overheads.

Jōris
11-23-2009, 08:14 AM
Haas with only 4 votes and Federer 26. :rolleyes:

fast_clay
11-23-2009, 08:15 AM
Hewitt had epic drop volleys and overheads.

yeah, is more creative than he ever gave himself credit for... coulda done with a bit more bravado in general like hasi mate...

Har-Tru
11-23-2009, 10:54 AM
Federer.

Bernard Black
11-23-2009, 11:19 AM
Stepanek and Haas for me.

leng jai
11-23-2009, 11:20 AM
Stepanek and Haas for me.

Both of them combined have 0 slams.

Bernard Black
11-23-2009, 11:21 AM
Federer volleys well but hits poor approaches which often make him look like a clown at the net. It's hard to judge whether he's up there with the best. Personally, I don't think he belongs in this discussion.

Bernard Black
11-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Both of them combined have 0 slams.

Hehe, fair call. Slams is wot matterz innit!!!

But seriously, I can't think of an active player who has won a slam on the strength of their volleying which is sad to say.

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Of those in the list, Llodra, Haas, Stepanek, & Federer all have a claim. Honourable mentions for Murray & Hewitt. None is as good as Henman was.

leng jai
11-23-2009, 11:33 AM
Hehe, fair call. Slams is wot matterz innit!!!

But seriously, I can't think of an active player who has won a slam on the strength of their volleying which is sad to say.

Haas made a semi with it. Not bad, considering hes not even a serve and volley player.

Har-Tru
11-23-2009, 11:36 AM
Haas made a semi with it. Not bad, considering hes not even a serve and volley player.

Watching Haas S&V-ing his way to the Wimby semis this year was orgasmic.

Bernard Black
11-23-2009, 11:56 AM
Watching Haas S&V-ing his way to the Wimby semis this year was orgasmic.

Off the back of a solid baseline showing at the French Open as well, making Haas one of the few to actually change up his game for grass like the players of old had to do.

True all court greatness ;)

Ad Wim
11-23-2009, 12:17 PM
Llodra, without a shadow of a doubt. Anyone who votes otherwise, has never seen him play.

Burrow
11-23-2009, 12:20 PM
That signature is the only thing on this that actually makes me laugh.

The Tommy Robredo bit lmao

leng jai
11-23-2009, 12:22 PM
lol.

UsD.AnDreS
11-23-2009, 12:46 PM
Llodra.And I'm really proud for MTF that he is competing with Fed at that poll. it could be worse with all these fedguys.
Also i'm a bit surprised that there is no Tsonga (apart from 'Other' =) )

petar_pan
11-23-2009, 01:29 PM
haha what a retarded pool without ancic

petar_pan
11-23-2009, 01:33 PM
I know but the change was so huge :confused:

he didn't stop with volleys
i don't know where did you see that

petar_pan
11-23-2009, 01:38 PM
Llodra, Zimonjic have great volleys too

zimonjic playing doubles

moldani
11-23-2009, 08:58 PM
Llodra.And I'm really proud for MTF that he is competing with Fed at that poll. it could be worse with all these fedguys.
Also i'm a bit surprised that there is no Tsonga (apart from 'Other' =) )

I was just about to mention Tsonga as well. Whenever I watch him play, I am very impressed with his skills at the net.

Sophocles
11-23-2009, 10:43 PM
Yes, good call on Tsonga.

guga2120
11-23-2009, 11:36 PM
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/88374242.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19356863F2C054EB266799D498EFB3C3DEE B01E70F2B3269972

Dave1990
11-23-2009, 11:51 PM
Jamie Murray!

Andi-M
11-24-2009, 12:19 AM
Roddick :p

yonexforever
11-24-2009, 12:58 AM
Tsonga deserves a mention... just ask Rafa about those drop volleys down unda.
If memory serves me correctly when Willy was new on tour and a tad chubbier he was a S & V a la Taylor Dent.

JeffCandoi
11-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Andre Sa

Orka_n
11-10-2011, 12:02 PM
NoleGOAT of course

leng jai
11-10-2011, 12:18 PM
Llodra's volleys this week were incredulous.

leng jai
11-10-2011, 12:32 PM
Oh wow didn't realise Fedgimp was winning the poll by a mile.

Hahahahahaha

Forehander
11-10-2011, 03:01 PM
gotta be Ferrero or Davydenko right? Surely?

Naudio Spanlatine
11-10-2011, 03:11 PM
how can hewitt and haas be over Lopez, that i will never understand:facepalm: :facepalm: :o :o :o

LawrenceOfTennis
11-10-2011, 04:25 PM
Llodra.
It's not a question.

BIGMARAT
11-10-2011, 10:51 PM
Bryan Brothers??? duh!!!

SVK
11-10-2011, 11:22 PM
I always liked the way Llodra is playing volleys...he is natural volleyer...also looking forward for Pospisil, he has some potential for doing some damage in the net if he will improve.

SVK
11-10-2011, 11:29 PM
Oh, and I forgot Stepanek, he has a talent for volleys too

and

Jamie Murray!

This! If I would choose a name of doubles specialist, incredible reflexes, he is a joy to watch when he is on.

Bryans´ volleys are...I don´t know how to say it, sure as dobles GOATs they have great volleys, but I don´t see any difference between them and other doubles specialists, they just have this rare "feeling for doubles" which makes them unique.

Vida
11-10-2011, 11:33 PM
rocketassist.

abraxas21
11-10-2011, 11:50 PM
Its highly unlikely that baseliners such as Hewitt/Haas/Murray/Fedclown are going to be able to compete with guys who earn their living soley off their netplay.

nobody earns their living solely off their netplay these days

fact of the matter is that there are no serve and volleyers in this era

Roamed
11-10-2011, 11:59 PM
Llodra for sure.

Sapeod
11-11-2011, 12:06 AM
Murray and Federer are the best volleyers in the game.

Vida
11-11-2011, 12:09 AM
Murray and Federer are the best volleyers in the game.

headless hen has better volleys than murray.

just kidding. his volleys are mediocre.

rocketassist
11-11-2011, 12:17 AM
rocketassist.

They're definitely one of my strengths when I go for a hitting sesh.

Sonja1989
11-11-2011, 05:08 AM
Mirnyi :worship:

Topspindoctor
11-11-2011, 05:24 AM
Andy Mugray is the the best volleyer - that explains his success at Wimbledon.

leng jai
11-11-2011, 05:51 AM
Yeah the last two Wimbledon champions have been volley masters.

oranges
11-11-2011, 02:21 PM
Federer winning this poll is almost as hilarious as the results of the best single-hander ever :lol:

Rodre Fegassi
11-11-2011, 02:24 PM
Andy Mugray is the the best volleyer - that explains his success at Wimbledon.

Only thing explaining his success at Wimbledon are complete mug draws.

Gasquet? Wtf.

Nadal and Djokovic are both 10x the volleyers Murray is - their volleys are seriously underrated.

rocketassist
11-11-2011, 03:07 PM
Llodra wins this comfortably.


Only thing explaining his success at Wimbledon are complete mug draws.

Gasquet? Wtf.

Nadal and Djokovic are both 10x the volleyers Murray is - their volleys are seriously underrated.

I know there's no point arguing with a pisstake troll, but they're really not.

sexybeast
11-11-2011, 03:11 PM
Federer is overwhelmingly ahead of any other relevant player in the tour, anyone in the top 25 that is.

Overall Llodra is nr1 ofcourse, Mahut and Stepanek might be next and then I cant find anyone better than Federer.

Murray is quite good and so is Tsonga who should be in the list.

Roadmap
11-11-2011, 03:17 PM
Only thing explaining his success at Wimbledon are complete mug draws.

Gasquet? Wtf.

Nadal and Djokovic are both 10x the volleyers Murray is - their volleys are seriously underrated.

Some words just don't go together. :o

Haelfix
11-11-2011, 05:12 PM
So much of success at volleying is everything else other than volleying. The movement, anticipation, timing, reflexes, pointconstruction or serve and crucially the approach shot.

As far as hands at net, Roger Federer wins this by a mile. Only Llodra and a few double specialists are even close.

As far as overall net rushing ability (including all those other things) there are probably a few who are in the discussion. Stepanek, Llodra and a few others.

Federer contrary to what you might expect does not have the best approach shots on his forehand, for instance Djokovic's approach shot is far more traditional and effective. This allows Novak (who really has pretty poor actual volleying for a top player) to get much weaker returns and to put away a lot of easy shots.

Start da Game
11-11-2011, 08:46 PM
nobody.....

Federerhingis
11-12-2011, 05:44 AM
Federer is overwhelmingly ahead of any other relevant player in the tour, anyone in the top 25 that is.

Overall Llodra is nr1 ofcourse, Mahut and Stepanek might be next and then I cant find anyone better than Federer.

Murray is quite good and so is Tsonga who should be in the list.
Of active singles players I agree Roger is the better volleyer among current players, is he in Edberg's league not even quite.
Some words just don't go together. :o Exactly Rafael and Novak have very good approaches and with their superb movement manage to set up easy volleys. Nonetheless, technique wise their volleys are very ordinary.

So much of success at volleying is everything else other than volleying. The movement, anticipation, timing, reflexes, pointconstruction or serve and crucially the approach shot.

As far as hands at net, Roger Federer wins this by a mile. Only Llodra and a few double specialists are even close.

As far as overall net rushing ability (including all those other things) there are probably a few who are in the discussion. Stepanek, Llodra and a few others.

Federer contrary to what you might expect does not have the best approach shots on his forehand, for instance Djokovic's approach shot is far more traditional and effective. This allows Novak (who really has pretty poor actual volleying for a top player) to get much weaker returns and to put away a lot of easy shots.


Exactly among active singles players Roger is the best volleyer left around, all the top doubles players volley a lot better and have more sophisticated volley technique. Llodra, Mirnyi, Nestor and the Bryans make most of the singles players look like amateurs in a volleying competition.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 05:48 AM
Some words just don't go together. :o

sometimes i wonder do you ever watch tennis more often:scratch:

i guess not......:rolleyes: :o:o

Topspindoctor
11-12-2011, 05:50 AM
Exactly Rafael and Novak have very good approaches and with their superb movement manage to set up easy volleys. Nonetheless, technique wise their volleys are very ordinary.


:haha: A forum warrior calling Nadal's volleys "ordinary" when a legend like McEnroe claimed they were superb on several occasions. Maybe you should become a sports critic, after all they get paid to spew controversial nonsense.

Fedex
11-12-2011, 05:59 AM
:haha: A forum warrior calling Nadal's volleys "ordinary" when a legend like McEnroe claimed they were superb on several occasions. Maybe you should become a sports critic, after all they get paid to spew controversial nonsense.

Nadal's volleys aren't anything to write home about. McEnroe's trolling aside, can you name me one type of volley Nadal can execute other than the drop volley?

MuzzahLovah
11-12-2011, 06:09 AM
Murray volleys better than Federer, he just doesn't very often.

Pirata.
11-12-2011, 08:02 AM
:haha: A forum warrior calling Nadal's volleys "ordinary" when a legend like McEnroe claimed they were superb on several occasions. Maybe you should become a sports critic, after all they get paid to spew controversial nonsense.

McEnroe says Roddick will win every slam he enters, that doesn't mean it's the truth. 2009 he said Fed was the GOAT; 2010 he said Nadal was; this year he said Djokovic. Guy gets paid to speak bs to satisfy casual fans who only care about tennis roughly two months a year.

cutesteve22
11-12-2011, 09:05 AM
Granollers

Fedex
11-12-2011, 04:45 PM
Murray volleys better than Federer, he just doesn't very often.

No, he doesn't. lol

Federerhingis
11-14-2011, 04:07 AM
:haha: A forum warrior calling Nadal's volleys "ordinary" when a legend like McEnroe claimed they were superb on several occasions. Maybe you should become a sports critic, after all they get paid to spew controversial nonsense.


I am not sure how you develop as a discerning and objective fan of tennis. However, if you for a minute believe and swear by McEnroes hyperbolic comments then I must believe you have been watching tennis only for the past couple of years. John is as much a an entertainer as he is a tennis critic when commenting on a tennis booth, moreover McEnroe one day swears by Nadals volley and by the end of that fortnight considers it suspect. John is one of the least reliable tennis critics in spite of his tennis background. There is one reason why Nadal and Novak are called baseline players.

More importantly I contexted ordinary in the context of the top 50 players, naturally even Nadals "ordinary" volleys appear and are superior to anyone who is not a ranked tennis professional. However among the professionals Nadal and Novaks volleys are ordinary, lets not even compare them to Llodra's or Nestor's. Murray and Roger have better volley technique than their higher ranked rivals.

Shinoj
11-14-2011, 09:07 AM
Put all of the active Players today in line before Stefan Edberg and Edberg would still school of all them at one time. :wavey:

General Suburbia
11-14-2011, 11:11 AM
As a strictly serve and volley player I actually think Dent's volleys are quite horrible.

bjurra
11-14-2011, 12:05 PM
More importantly I contexted ordinary in the context of the top 50 players, naturally even Nadals "ordinary" volleys appear and are superior to anyone who is not a ranked tennis professional. However among the professionals Nadal and Novaks volleys are ordinary, lets not even compare them to Llodra's or Nestor's. Murray and Roger have better volley technique than their higher ranked rivals.

Rafa's volleys were quite poor until 08/09 or so, at some point he must have worked hard to improve them because they are definitely no weakness anymore. Rafa also is smart enough to pick the easiest/most effective option at the net when Federer and Murray would go for a more low percentage volley. Llodra might have the more elegant technique but what does that help when he is far more erratic at the net anyway?

Puschkin
11-14-2011, 12:16 PM
from those on the list Llodra. And bringing Rafa and Novak into this thread is a joke.

Rodre Fegassi
11-14-2011, 02:29 PM
from those on the list Llodra. And bringing Rafa and Novak into this thread is a joke.

Nope, Nadal and Djokovic's baseline games are INFINITELY better than Llodra's.

Their volleys are merely 'much better' than Llodra's.

I can see how this could give the illusion of Llodra having better volleys than Nadal and Djokovic, but really their volleys are just the weakest aspect of their game - it doesn't change the fact that the weakest aspect of their game (volleys) is still much better than the strongest aspect of Llodra's game (volleys).

green25814
11-14-2011, 02:52 PM
As a strictly serve and volley player I actually think Dent's volleys are quite horrible.

They are these days, but he's not the same player he once was at all.

Brilliant volleys in his youth. His game was awesome, pure aggression, constant forward motion.

A difference you will notice between guys like Dent and Llodra and players who aren't used to volleying is the first strike aspect. If you let those two hit a volley the point will be over one way or the other, they don't play it safe.

Rafa isn't a bad volleyer btw. He's not great, but he's certainly capable. He knows what he's doing at least.

Djokovic is below average. Murray has good hands but he lacks the confidence/self belief to be a good volleyer.

bjurra
11-14-2011, 02:56 PM
from those on the list Llodra. And bringing Rafa and Novak into this thread is a joke.

Llodra has a nice fluid volley but his execution often lets him down.

Apemant
11-14-2011, 03:06 PM
More importantly I contexted ordinary in the context of the top 50 players, naturally even Nadals "ordinary" volleys appear and are superior to anyone who is not a ranked tennis professional. However among the professionals Nadal and Novaks volleys are ordinary, lets not even compare them to Llodra's or Nestor's. Murray and Roger have better volley technique than their higher ranked rivals.

Nadal however has a sensible (for his ability) net approach - basically, closes the net when he really spots a good opportunity, for example - when the opponent isn't looking his way (and looks poised to just slice it back) etc. I have a hard time remembering Rafa doing an actual 'approach shot', when the opponent knows in advance that he's going to have to pass.

And from a good enough position, even Ljubicic pulled out some really amazing volleys. That doesn't mean he's a superb volleyer. The same applies for Djokovic and Nadal. There is a REASON why Djokovic doesn't like the net - and it's not only that his baseline game is so great. That reason being, he simply isn't all that good in volleying, and neither is Nadal.

It is ludicrous to think that those guys must be 'great' even in volleys, just because they are excellent in other parts of the game. But, on the other hand, it's not hard to understand the psychology of fans who think so. It's not unlike those fedfans who thing that Federer has the best 1H backhand of all times. ;)

Naudio Spanlatine
11-14-2011, 04:11 PM
Llodra, Federer, and Lopez

END OF STORY!

Federerhingis
11-15-2011, 05:30 AM
Rafa's volleys were quite poor until 08/09 or so, at some point he must have worked hard to improve them because they are definitely no weakness anymore. Rafa also is smart enough to pick the easiest/most effective option at the net when Federer and Murray would go for a more low percentage volley. Llodra might have the more elegant technique but what does that help when he is far more erratic at the net anyway?

Nevertheless, Llodra is a better volleyer than Nadal in spite of his flashiness and erratic net game. However, Nadal is a very effective and efficient volleyer, he has very good instincts at net, and this is why many think he is a great volleyer.

Nadal however has a sensible (for his ability) net approach - basically, closes the net when he really spots a good opportunity, for example - when the opponent isn't looking his way (and looks poised to just slice it back) etc. I have a hard time remembering Rafa doing an actual 'approach shot', when the opponent knows in advance that he's going to have to pass.

And from a good enough position, even Ljubicic pulled out some really amazing volleys. That doesn't mean he's a superb volleyer. The same applies for Djokovic and Nadal. There is a REASON why Djokovic doesn't like the net - and it's not only that his baseline game is so great. That reason being, he simply isn't all that good in volleying, and neither is Nadal.

It is ludicrous to think that those guys must be 'great' even in volleys, just because they are excellent in other parts of the game. But, on the other hand, it's not hard to understand the psychology of fans who think so. It's not unlike those fedfans who thing that Federer has the best 1H backhand of all times. ;)

Precisely Nadal is very economical and wise about his volleying and has developed a very effective net game.

By the way another good reason for playing doubles, look how playing doubles has helped Nadal develop good net instincts. McEnroe and Hingis are perfect examples of how one can develop their all court game and particularly one's net game by playing doubles. Nonetheless, John and Martina Hingis have some of the sweetest hands and touch in the modern game in their respective leagues, so their Net games were always bound to be solid at worst.

Overall yes I agree Nadal is a very efficient volleyer, a great volleyer I don't think so, especially when I grew up admiring Edbergs and Rafter's volleying, and got spoiled by Hingis and my McEnroe collectible matches. Additionally Nadal never relied heavily on his net game, Roger at one point volleyed quite significantly but realized that the net game was getting neutralized more and more as the courts got slower and the strings kept fostering more spin. Therefore, Roger is a more natural volleyer and a better volleyer in general than Nadal and his current peers on the singles tour.

Stepanek and Haas have very good net games and can stab volley reminiscent of the Beckers of yester years. Kiefer used to be a very eccentric but great volleyer, too ambitious at times, like Roger can and tends to be quite often, and hence his volleying ends up looking tentative. (Yet again the slow courts combined with the string technology have completely diminished the effectiveness of rushing the net and taking advantage of the forecourt)

I concur Fernando Lopez is one of the better volleyers and is a more natural volleyer among his fellow singles players. So yes Murray, Roger and Lopez are among the better volleyers left around in singles play today.