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EnriqueIG8
11-14-2009, 01:36 PM
Rafa already dodged a couple of bullets this week but this one couldn't be avoided.
Big hearted performance from Nole. Used the right tactics today, forehand was working extremely well.

whattheheck
11-14-2009, 01:36 PM
Didn't see that coming. Novak playing aggressively, Rafa just didn't have any answers.

SheepleBuster
11-14-2009, 01:37 PM
That arrogant Nadal finally congratulated Novak. Fed is No. 1?

alter ego
11-14-2009, 01:37 PM
Justice

Burrow
11-14-2009, 01:37 PM
Nadal :o

asmazif
11-14-2009, 01:37 PM
THATS how you do it, guys.

Mario Sharapov
11-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Nole :worship:

Save the tournament, win the title! :o

LocoPorElTenis
11-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Godlike performance from Djokovic for much of the match

Clydey
11-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Djokovic is finally going to win another Masters title.

Great performance. It almost invariably is when he plays Nadal on hard. The Rafa forehand is too much of a liability on that surface. It just sits there, begging to be flattened out.

Orka_n
11-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Very well played by Djokovic. Put a stop to Nadull's absurd run here.

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Not only that, but he gets to #2 in the world for the first time ever, and Federer clinches his 5th YE #1. :worship:

whattheheck
11-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Next question is when will Novak be No.2?

speranza
11-14-2009, 01:39 PM
Nole is becoming a tennis genius. That was rather exquisite.

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 01:39 PM
Good for the game


shove that up your ass Foxy!!!! hahahahahah

Yves.
11-14-2009, 01:39 PM
djoko played out of this world. finally that ugly nadal loses. Now Federer practically has the year end no 1:)

HarryMan
11-14-2009, 01:39 PM
Nadal was absolutely schooled today. Novak you fucking beauty, now win the whole damn thing. :D

Scotso
11-14-2009, 01:39 PM
Wow.

batavlada
11-14-2009, 01:40 PM
In first set, at first break, 11 points for Djokovic in a row and 15 of 16. Amazing. Best set played this year by far.

Commander Data
11-14-2009, 01:40 PM
Congrats to Nole and his fans!

Djokovic backs up his Basel win by more impressive tennis. Looks like he is back at the top of his game. Good to see.


Nadal looked a bit flat.

Hola Mr. SK
11-14-2009, 01:40 PM
FAK! I miss Nalbandian!

Fed Express
11-14-2009, 01:40 PM
Solid performance from Djokovic. But Nadal was absilutely pathetic... Every ball mid court and barely passed the service line :haha:

Djokovic was good, but Nadal made him look so..

Nadal really does not have a plan B.. :haha:

cakedraw
11-14-2009, 01:40 PM
Not only that, but he gets to #2 in the world for the first time ever, and Federer clinches his 5th YE #1. :worship:

:confused:

tennizen
11-14-2009, 01:40 PM
Rafa did not have a clue in the match and this is not because Nole played well. Staring from 3-2 in the first set he didn't win a fucking point on his serve till 3-0 in the second set. Something is seriously wrong with him mentally when he meets a half decent opponent. No decent strategy, half-arsed defensive pushing. He's going to have to do some major reevaluation in the off-season.

Well deserved win for Nole. He did what was needed from his side.

maki925
11-14-2009, 01:41 PM
SF tennis from Nole! :worship:

Adri89
11-14-2009, 01:41 PM
10th final of the year, congrats Novak! :yeah:

SwedSerbia
11-14-2009, 01:41 PM
Amazing Nole! The best player around for the moment!:worship:

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 01:41 PM
:confused:

It's too bad for you that you're ignorant of scenarios.

Art&Soul
11-14-2009, 01:42 PM
Nadull is done, he is so weak and Djokovic is too much for him, Nole just toying with Nadull tonight :o:devil:

rocketassist
11-14-2009, 01:42 PM
Beatdown.

Hope Steps can win the title.

samanosuke
11-14-2009, 01:43 PM
ahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahah Nadal did not do any thing wrong and looked on the court like amateur hahahahhahahahahahaahahahahhah :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:


He showed all his talent today . What a player !!!!WOOOW :haha::haha::haha::haha:

Voo de Mar
11-14-2009, 01:43 PM
Expected - they played one-sided match as usual against each other :o

Riffrizzle
11-14-2009, 01:43 PM
Powerful from Djoker. He better not lose the final. 0-5 in masters series finals for the year would be agonising. I hope he gets to world number 1, preferably after Fed breaks Sampras' total weeks at #1 record.

Cloudygirl
11-14-2009, 01:43 PM
Not only that, but he gets to #2 in the world for the first time ever, and Federer clinches his 5th YE #1. :worship:

Doesn't he have to win to get to number 2?

anon57
11-14-2009, 01:43 PM
Not only that, but he gets to #2 in the world for the first time ever, and Federer clinches his 5th YE #1. :worship::confused:What are you talking about, Djokovic is still a pretty far behind Nadal in the rankings and Federer mathematically hasn't clinched YE#1 yet.

Lacklustre performance from Nadal, most of the forehands he hit were short and just waiting to be put away by Djokovic. Solid performance by Djokovic though.

tealeaves
11-14-2009, 01:44 PM
Tennis WON. byebye Nadull.

foul_dwimmerlaik
11-14-2009, 01:44 PM
Just delightful.

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 01:44 PM
I'm not sure, I thought if Nole won this match he got the #2 ranking. But yeah maybe he needs to win tomorrow(which is a done deal).

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 01:44 PM
ahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahah Nadal did not do any thing wrong and looked on the court like amateur hahahahhahahahahahaahahahahhah :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:


He showed all his talent today . What a player !!!!WOOOW :haha::haha::haha::haha:LOLLLLLLLL

THERE WAS NO ALMAGRO ON OTHER SIDE OF THE NET THIS TIME!!!!

see 1st MP here? 1st serve > FH Winner, beeyatch!

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 01:45 PM
Incredible Novak! Tremendous game, 100% effective, perfect from start to end. I can't find no fault, not even one, with his game today. He demolished Rafa (poor Rafa) in one of his best matches I've seen, he got everything right today. If he keeps it like that watch out for him in 2010, he's going to destroy everyone. He's the man now, next he's the king. :worship: :rocker2:

gorgo1986
11-14-2009, 01:45 PM
Its sad watching Rafa play so pathetically hitting his passive forehands to Nole's backhand, which is clearly his best shot.
It seems Rafa takes one step forward and three steps back on his game this year and it was really sad watching him out there, he got destroyed by Nole! Embarrassed!!! Anyway no matter what happens I am always his fan but he needs to change his game plan when taking on someone like Nole! Anyway congrats to Nole and his fans!

Lovya Rafa!!!:sad:

Noleta
11-14-2009, 01:46 PM
Great strategy by Nole today.Very excited how he played today,considering how jaded he looked against the Sod:D

Noleta
11-14-2009, 01:47 PM
Incredible Novak! Tremendous game, 100% effective, perfect from start to end. I can't find no fault, not even one, with his game today. He demolished Rafa (poor Rafa) in one of his best matches I've seen, he got everything right today. If he keeps it like that watch out for him in 2010, he's going to destroy everyone. He's the man now, next he's the king. :worship: :rocker2:

:lol:no need to get ahead of ourselves:p;)

Kiman
11-14-2009, 01:47 PM
Crushed Rafa like this while serving pretty bad. This was one good ground game from Novak. Best in a long long time.
Rafa was far from playing well, but it didn't matter anyway.

Bascule
11-14-2009, 01:47 PM
Finally a great one performance from Novak. Probably the best match he played this year. Wonderful forehands, many winners (over 30).
On the other side, you can not say Nadal played so bad, cause he had only 8 UE (Novak had more - 14). He was simply outplayed. Djokovic is probably winning this one (otherwise it would be shameful), thank God, at least one great tour at the end of the year, and if he wins tomorrow, he will be on the no.2 position at least for two weeks. Problem may be defending those 1000 points in London.

:lol: I was right about the first set...

Brick Top
11-14-2009, 01:47 PM
that was great show from Nole,now take it please!

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 01:48 PM
Incredible Novak! Tremendous game, 100% effective, perfect from start to end. I can't find no fault, not even one, with his game today. He demolished Rafa (poor Rafa) in one of his best matches I've seen, he got everything right today. If he keeps it like that watch out for him in 2010, he's going to destroy everyone. He's the man now, next he's the king. :worship: :rocker2:

Hold your horses. Paris is no indicator for Novak's future greatness. Let's see him actually defend a title(YEC) for the first time. ;)

cakedraw
11-14-2009, 01:48 PM
I'm not sure, I thought if Nole won this match he got the #2 ranking. But yeah maybe he needs to win tomorrow(which is a done deal).

he's 2000 points away from Rafa

n8
11-14-2009, 01:48 PM
I think it will be 5th time lucky for Djokovic in this Masters Series final (5th of year) because his four others where all against fellow top four players (Nadal in Monte Carlo and Rome, Murray in Miami and Federer in Cincy).

ReturnWinner
11-14-2009, 01:48 PM
This was a typical Nadull roasting on hard like the ones he got before from Djokovic himself,Nalbandian,Davydenko,Cilic,Del Potro and such players.

phelbyn
11-14-2009, 01:48 PM
Doesn't he have to win to get to number 2?

Djokovic is still 1700 points away from the #2 ranking. If he wins this tournament he still trails Nadal by a solid 1300 points. That means he cannot really finish the year at #2. Even if he wins WTF and gets his 1500 pts... as long as Nadal shows up and wins a match he secures #2.

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 01:49 PM
Rafa firmly rejected Nole's **** hug

practically pushed him away

maki925
11-14-2009, 01:50 PM
I'm not sure, I thought if Nole won this match he got the #2 ranking. But yeah maybe he needs to win tomorrow(which is a done deal).

If Nole wins tomorrow,he is #2, but then Rogi and Rafa have (almost) nothing to defend in London,and Nole defends 1300 points,so it wont last anyway...:mad:

momo_momo
11-14-2009, 01:50 PM
:lol: Didn't get my predictions right. I don't like to eat my words too sooner...

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 01:51 PM
Djokovic is still 1700 points away from the #2 ranking. If he wins this tournament he still trails Nadal by a solid 1300 points. That means he cannot really finish the year at #2. Even if he wins WTF and gets his 1500 pts... as long as Nadal shows up and wins a match he secures #2.

You don't know what hell you're talking about. Djokovic entered this week 500 points behind Rafa and if he wins tomorrow he gets the #2 ranking.

coonster14
11-14-2009, 01:51 PM
AJDE NOLE!!! great match from him, nadal just got whipped.

now please Nole, win your first ATP 1000 title for this year!!! :wavey:

tangerine_dream
11-14-2009, 01:51 PM
Where's the fire, Nole? Damn, what a performance. Do that in the final please. :cool:

Rafa :hug: He needs to win a title soon.

tennizen
11-14-2009, 01:51 PM
Finally a great one performance from Novak. Probably the best match he played this year. Wonderful forehands, many winners (over 30).
On the other side, you can not say Nadal played so bad, cause he had only 8 UE (Novak had more - 14). He was simply outplayed. Djokovic is probably winning this one (otherwise it would be shameful), thank God, at least one great tour at the end of the year, and if he wins tomorrow, he will be on the no.2 position at least for two weeks. Problem may be defending those 1000 points in London.

:lol: I was right about the first set...

Sometimes, you should try and look at the opponent too, even though I know it can be hard when Nole is playing.

Midnight Ninja
11-14-2009, 01:51 PM
Nadal has become pusher extraordinaire. If he continues with this I don't see how he can defend AO.

freeandlonely
11-14-2009, 01:52 PM
Nadull:haha:
ugly tennis and pants

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 01:52 PM
Rafa :hug: He needs to win a title soon.only about 3 months till Acapulco 250

prima donna
11-14-2009, 01:52 PM
Such a dear pity.

freeandlonely
11-14-2009, 01:53 PM
I Nole wins tomorrow,he is #2, but then Rogi and Rafa have (almost) nothing to defend in London,and Nole defends 1300 points,so it wont last anyway...:mad:

but that's still good for Nole:)

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 01:54 PM
This match doesn't really mean much :shrug: Rafa is still getting into form while Nole is at the top of his. Let's see if Nole can win where it really counts in Australia!

Cloudygirl
11-14-2009, 01:54 PM
:confused:What are you talking about, Djokovic is still a pretty far behind Nadal in the rankings and Federer mathematically hasn't clinched YE#1 yet.

Lacklustre performance from Nadal, most of the forehands he hit were short and just waiting to be put away by Djokovic. Solid performance by Djokovic though.

Rafa has 8,845 and Nole 8,300 so 545 points between them at the moment. Each will drop their highest other countable tournament for Bercy I think so Novak drops 90 and Rafa 45. So if Nole wins the tournament he takes number 2 just. But then he defends 1,300 at WTF and Rafa defends 0 and I think gets Davis cup points too if he plays the finals so I can't see Rafa losing year end number 2.

I'm not sure about year end number 1 but I think it is still up for grabs.

maki925
11-14-2009, 01:54 PM
Amazing Nole! The best player around for the moment!:worship:

And the most successful with 74 wins this year!:)

anon57
11-14-2009, 01:54 PM
I Nole wins tomorrow,he is #2, but then Rogi and Rafa have (almost) nothing to defend in London,and Nole defends 1300 points,so it wont last anyway...:mad:Even if Djokovic wins tomorrow he won't be #2 on Monday because his points from TMC last year drop off on Monday as well.

Brick Top
11-14-2009, 01:55 PM
he's 2000 points away from Rafa

Djokovic is still 1700 points away from the #2 ranking. If he wins this tournament he still trails Nadal by a solid 1300 points. That means he cannot really finish the year at #2. Even if he wins WTF and gets his 1500 pts... as long as Nadal shows up and wins a match he secures #2.

wtf are you talking
Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 8,845
Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 8,300

blueskye
11-14-2009, 01:55 PM
Great job from Novak ;) Good too see him doing well in back to back tournaments! Right now he is playing like the best player in the world, so if he does get the number 2 ranking, it will be well deserved. I do think it will be a big test next week, seeing if he can defend his Year end title..

freeandlonely
11-14-2009, 01:58 PM
So TMC points drop off this coming Monday? Or a week later?

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 01:58 PM
we know what Nole is like when he's a match away from #2 rank ;)

http://clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/wcj.gif

Cloudygirl
11-14-2009, 01:59 PM
So TMC points drop off this coming Monday? Or a week later?


Good point the drop date is actually this monday.

Betty
11-14-2009, 01:59 PM
nole...

xHm-rXe2n2Y

rafa is finish,follow marat( :hug::worship:) in the retire way:yeah:or play only the clay season

alter ego
11-14-2009, 01:59 PM
This monday. Novak won't be nr.2 even if he wins tomorrow.

MIMIC
11-14-2009, 01:59 PM
Superb form from Novak. :worship: Pretty much kept Nadal from doing anything. So glad to see Novak step it up against the big guys.

And he will be #2 if he wins tomorrow? Hmmmm...don't tell Novak that. Whenever he holds his destiny in his own hands, he chokes. He has had 3 opportunities so far.

Jaffas85
11-14-2009, 02:00 PM
I'm not sure, I thought if Nole won this match he got the #2 ranking. But yeah maybe he needs to win tomorrow(which is a done deal).

If Djokovic wins the Paris final he'll still be about 1200 points behind Nadal.

Don't you read the figures on the first page of the rankings page?

Betty
11-14-2009, 02:00 PM
we know what Nole is like when he's a match away from #2 rank ;)



and andy n.3:worship:

Andi-M
11-14-2009, 02:01 PM
Beautiful tennis from Novak, just perfect.
Rafa is just not good enough second half of the season. I can't see him beating the likes of Nole and Del Potro on a HC anytime soon.

Bascule
11-14-2009, 02:03 PM
funny how fedtards are much more exalted then noletards :lol:

@tennizen: good to know you're paying attention to my posts.

Bascule
11-14-2009, 02:05 PM
we know what Nole is like when he's a match away from #2 rank ;)

http://clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/wcj.gif

:haha: good one smiley

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 02:05 PM
Anyone who loves tennis, appreciates what Nole did out there. :worship: that was fantastic tennis.

rubbERR
11-14-2009, 02:06 PM
to be that happy when someone wins tennismatch is funny:lol:

aeronatasha
11-14-2009, 02:08 PM
Two of my favourite boys, and this time it was Nole's time to shine.:worship:
Those forehands were just unbelievable.
At some point, he had 10 winners from that side to Nadal's zero. It only hit me then how powerful he was playing.
Nadal kept his UEs low as always, but Nole was flying today.
S&V on 2nd serves, whipping forehands Rafa style, gorgeous backhands dtl..
He deserved this fair and square.

Best of luck tomorrow, Novak and let's win Paris. :bounce:

See you in London, hijito. :hug:

zlaja777
11-14-2009, 02:09 PM
Perfect Novak!

Bascule
11-14-2009, 02:10 PM
If Djokovic wins the Paris final he'll still be about 1200 points behind Nadal.

Don't you read the figures on the first page of the rankings page?

Don't you? :lol:

Surcouf
11-14-2009, 02:10 PM
Nadal is done , shot, washed up.

How sad it's to see that? He is not even the shadow of the player he was in 2008 and before his injury.

I would like to see him prove me wrong next season and I had never doubted him before this period but now it's too much. He just seems to not care about tennis anymore and to not be able to produce tennis shots.

sammy01
11-14-2009, 02:10 PM
i just hope nole goes on to win the title.

nadal did well to get this far, his tennis wasn't that good all week.

noles looking good for a paris/london double given everyone elses level of play/injuries.

Orka_n
11-14-2009, 02:11 PM
to be that happy when someone wins tennismatch is funny:lol:If you consider yourself too high and mighty to become excited over something so darn trivial as tennis... what are you doing on this forum? Please leave.

ImmzB
11-14-2009, 02:12 PM
Djokovic played really well.

Vamos Rafa in WTF!!

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 02:13 PM
The rankings page is bullshit propaganda. Nole can get the #2 ranking on Monday if he wins the final.

Farrow
11-14-2009, 02:15 PM
The rankings page is bullshit propaganda. Nole can get the #2 ranking on Monday if he wins the final.

No, he can't. Points come off from 2008 Shanghai Masters Cup, as it was played earlier.

Nole loses 1300 points. Rafa loses 0 points.

munZe konZa
11-14-2009, 02:15 PM
great match but Nole can be number 1 in Australia if he wins there

Noleta
11-14-2009, 02:15 PM
we know what Nole is like when he's a match away from #2 rank ;)

http://clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/wcj.gif

:haha::worship:

Nole needs to win tomorrow,so don't understand all this number 2 talk lol.

philosophicalarf
11-14-2009, 02:15 PM
You don't know what hell you're talking about. Djokovic entered this week 500 points behind Rafa and if he wins tomorrow he gets the #2 ranking.

Probably better off not being so aggressive when you don't really understand the ranking system yourself ;)

Anyway, look here:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Djokovic.aspx?t=rb

Djoko thus loses his 1300 TMC points, adds his Paris points, and also loses his lowest 250 event (Marseille, 90pts) because he's played a full schedule of >18 tournaments. Thus, win the tournament and he's at 8300-1300+1000-90 = 7910.

Nadal drops nothing on Monday, because he didn't play TMC last year. His 360 Paris points also don't displace a 250 because he hasn't played a full schedule this year. Thus, 8845+360 = 9205.


Thus, instead of Djoko catching Nadal, the gap has actually increased from 545 to 1295 points. Nadal's ranking will be under serious pressure early next year though, defendng 2k at the Aus, 300 at Rotterdam, 180 at Miami, 1000 at Indian Wells, 1000 at Monte Carlo, 1000 at Rome, 600 at Madrid. He could easily drop to 4 or even 5 before Roland Garros, after which he'll probably rocket back up with nothing to defend there and Wimbledon.

Midnight Ninja
11-14-2009, 02:15 PM
The rankings page is bullshit propaganda. Nole can get the #2 ranking on Monday if he wins the final.

He could have if the London points weren't coming off at the exact same time which they are.

shotgun
11-14-2009, 02:16 PM
:lol:

Rita
11-14-2009, 02:17 PM
The rankings page is bullshit propaganda. Nole can get the #2 ranking on Monday if he wins the final.

Will you please just shut up.

Burrow
11-14-2009, 02:17 PM
Edmonds becoming number 2 is a joke. Federer and him are lucky Nadal got injured.

batavlada
11-14-2009, 02:17 PM
He could have if the London points weren't coming off at the exact same time which they are.

Thats what I think too


Tennis Masters Cup W points 1,300 drop date 16.11.2009

SheepleBuster
11-14-2009, 02:19 PM
Now if this was Federer losing like that, he should retire or he should just play another sport. But Nadal gets crushed, embarrassed I might add, and oh it's no big deal. He just played bad. he was tired, no? His pants were dirty and couldn't focus, no? Stop this man. Federer played so bad at Basel and still got a set off of Novak. Novak is not the best player in the world. For starters, he can't beat Murray and he chokes in grand slams. And he has beaten Rafa and Fed in the past. Federer is probably playing the worst tennis of his year now which is something after all the break he has had. Rafa will continue losing to Novak and people who can expose his game on hard courts.

batavlada
11-14-2009, 02:21 PM
Last game from set no 1. enjoy

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pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-14-2009, 02:21 PM
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cena like performance

Murray for Number 3- Del potro for no.4

Nadal won't make the semis in Australia, will be destroyed in the early year and will barely be in the top 5 before the clay season saves his ass from getting roddick-ized

sanshisan
11-14-2009, 02:21 PM
Novak - so happy for you :worship:

Bascule
11-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Probably better off not being so aggressive when you don't really understand the ranking system yourself ;)

Anyway, look here:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Djokovic.aspx?t=rb

Djoko thus loses his 1300 TMC points, adds his Paris points, and also loses his lowest 250 event (Marseille, 90pts) because he's played a full schedule of >18 tournaments. Thus, win the tournament and he's at 8300-1300+1000-90 = 7910.

Nadal drops nothing on Monday, because he didn't play TMC last year. His 360 Paris points also don't displace a 250 because he hasn't played a full schedule this year. Thus, 8845+360 = 9205.

Too complicated. And not fair.:sad:

Iván
11-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Novak always peaks at this time of the year, must be getting some extra sexual attention

freeandlonely
11-14-2009, 02:24 PM
Edmonds becoming number 2 is a joke. Federer and him are lucky Nadal got injured.

As if keep away from injury is others' business.

Burrow
11-14-2009, 02:25 PM
Novak always peaks at this time of the year, must be getting some extra sexual attention

No he doesn't :confused:

Just cause he won the Masters Cup last year? :lol:

philosophicalarf
11-14-2009, 02:29 PM
Too complicated. And not fair.:sad:

:-)

It's only really complicated because of shifting calenders. As for fair.... Nadal has done better this year: he's won 1 slam and 3 masters after all, where Djoko went SF/QF/QF/R3 in the slams and hasn't yet won a masters (although surely will tomorrow).

The only reason Djokovic is close to rankings is because Nadal missed TMC and Wimbledon through injury, and had a freak loss at Roland Garros. Djoko hasn't actually had that good a year at the very top events, he's just played a ton of matches and won three 500s (Basel/Beijing/Dubai) with lesser fields. Paris is essentially a 500 in quality too, given the top players flopping out, so it kinda would make sense if he wins this too.

Noleta
11-14-2009, 02:30 PM
Novak always peaks at this time of the year, must be getting some extra sexual attention

No.

Yes.

Guy Haines
11-14-2009, 02:32 PM
That was a classic beating. Novak has Rafa's number on hardcourts. I'd like to see them go best of 5 on hardcourts, but he has Rafa figured out better than Rafa does.

Novak is looking stronger and thicker as of late. Easy on the eyes, but it also makes it easier to hit through the court.

Rafa's shorts are terrible. He needs to lose them :) Novak looks best in black.

MrChopin
11-14-2009, 02:34 PM
The trends...

1.) Nadal is 1-3 in the last four hardcourt matches against Nole, each loss being a bad straight setter and the only win being the Beijing three-setter.

2.) Nadal is 2-2 in the last four hardcourt matches against Murray.

3.) Nadal is 0-3 in the last three hardcourt matches against Del Potro, winning just 1/8 sets.

***

A quote for miserable Nadaltards showing why it's always good to play it safe and back the other guy. This was yesterday after the win over Tsonga:

He can lose some points and become #1 if Fed loses some more.

But I agree, he will probably not regain his #1 until June (RG) and before that he may even go down to #3. No shame in that.

However, things to note from this match.

A) Nadal is back. His FH down the line, his serve from 2008, his movement. 8 errors in a long, hard match. 28 winners! 12 points at the net!!! He may have bounced back even better than he was.
B) He can defeat heavy hitters on a fast court if he is in top form. Stop the carpet whinning, I would also prefer more variety but the present surfaces are these.
C) Given how the other top seeds are playing, he is my favourite to win the whole thing, and start the Masters only 300 points behind Federer.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-14-2009, 02:36 PM
To be fair to Rafa

he missed Wimbledon- crashed out of his fave slam early. and has been injured or semi-injured for most of the year

and yet

he has still has had a better year than most of Sampras' and Agassi's best years

Iván
11-14-2009, 02:38 PM
No he doesn't :confused:

Just cause he won the Masters Cup last year? :lol:

Ermmm yes he does:confused:

This is his record from 2006 -2009 indoor season

2006- Wins Metz & Q/F Madrid
2007-Wins Vieanna & S/F Madrid
2008- Bangkok Final & Wins Tennis masters cup
2009-Wins Basel & Final of Paris

How is this not consistent peak form? Please explain.

He likes this time of season and the previous 4 years prove it.

timafi
11-14-2009, 02:42 PM
brilliant beat down:lol:

FedFan
11-14-2009, 02:49 PM
Nadal should thank to the tennis gods (or uncle Toni? :devil:), that recently he always meets his Spanish toy boys in the Masters like Boredo or Almugro and gets some easy ranking points.

If he has to play some of the better players he is toast, as we have seen today.

Congratulations to Nole, he will be a real competitor for the number 1 next year. :)

Congratulations to Roger he will finish the year as number 1 for the fifth time. :angel:

Jōris
11-14-2009, 02:49 PM
:woohoo:

Burrow
11-14-2009, 02:50 PM
Ermmm yes he does:confused:

This is his record from 2006 -2009 indoor season

2006- Wins Metz & Q/F Madrid
2007-Wins Vieanna & S/F Madrid
2008- Bangkok Final & Wins Tennis masters cup
2009-Wins Basel & Final of Paris

How is this not consistent peak form? Please explain.

He likes this time of season and the previous 4 years prove it.

:haha:

How about this.

2006: Wins Amersfoort, reaches the final of Umag. Barely dropped a set. This coming off the back of a quarter at RG and 4th round at Wimbledon. I think he played better then than getting fucked in Vienna and Paris.

2007: Final Indian wells, wins Miami. (better than those indoor results) then he has better results on clay than 1 mickey mouse and a semi final in madrid. Then he wins Canada, reaches final of the US Open. Are you telling me that all three of these are not better than winning a IS and reaching semi final in madrid? :lol:

2008: Wins Australian Open and Indian wells. With various other good results. (I like how you totally missed out the fact that he flopped at both Madrid and Paris :))

2009: I think he peaked during the NA HC swing, Quarters in Canada, final in Cincinnati and Semi's at the US Open. IS tournaments mean fuck all.

He clearly doesn't regularly peak at this time of year. Most of your claims are winning IS tournaments which mean nothing.

Certinfy
11-14-2009, 02:51 PM
Took out the trash nicely :)

xargon
11-14-2009, 02:52 PM
[QUOTE=FedFan;9318865]

Congratulations to Nole, he will be a real competitor for the number 1 next year. :)

QUOTE]

Gimelstob said on TV that Murray will be the next NEW number one.

petergor
11-14-2009, 02:53 PM
:worship::worship: GREAT GOING NOLE :worship::worship:

Keep this form up tomorrow and make our day !!!!!

selyoink
11-14-2009, 02:54 PM
Finally Nadull faced a player who didn't mug it up on court. And per usual Nadull was made to look like a juniors clown.

siloe26
11-14-2009, 02:58 PM
Nadull is done, he is so weak and Djokovic is too much for him, Nole just toying with Nadull tonight :o:devil:
At least, Rafa was able to reach the SF on his worst surface. I know some players who lost their first match. Maybe there are done as well.:D

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 03:03 PM
Wake me up when Nole beats Rafa on clay :o

Iván
11-14-2009, 03:05 PM
:haha:

How about this.

2006: Wins Amersfoort, reaches the final of Umag. Barely dropped a set. This coming off the back of a quarter at RG and 4th round at Wimbledon. I think he played better then than getting fucked in Vienna and Paris.

2007: Final Indian wells, wins Miami. (better than those indoor results) then he has better results on clay than 1 mickey mouse and a semi final in madrid. Then he wins Canada, reaches final of the US Open. Are you telling me that all three of these are not better than winning a IS and reaching semi final in madrid? :lol:

2008: Wins Australian Open and Indian wells. With various other good results. (I like how you totally missed out the fact that he flopped at both Madrid and Paris :))

2009: I think he peaked during the NA HC swing, Quarters in Canada, final in Cincinnati and Semi's at the US Open. IS tournaments mean fuck all.

He clearly doesn't regularly peak at this time of year. Most of your claims are winning IS tournaments which mean nothing.

:haha::haha:
:haha::haha::haha:

:timebomb::timebomb::timebomb::timebomb::aplot::si lly::silly::silly:


i watched all his title wins in those months that i refered to and in MY OPINION he played to the best of his ability and PEAKED

siloe26
11-14-2009, 03:06 PM
Finally Nadull faced a player who didn't mug it up on court. And per usual Nadull was made to look like a juniors clown.

Don't worry for Rafa, he will still make many players look like clowns. Vamos Rafa, good tournament!

Burrow
11-14-2009, 03:07 PM
Yescause beating guys like Seppi and Wawrinka take more than beating Murray and Nadal...

TMJordan
11-14-2009, 03:07 PM
Just how pathetic does this make Tsonga look?

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 03:10 PM
Tsonga would have lost today to Nole too.

rocketassist
11-14-2009, 03:12 PM
Tsonga would have lost today to Nole too.

Just like all the other times...

philosophicalarf
11-14-2009, 03:13 PM
Just how pathetic does this make Tsonga look?

Very. And rightly so, he was about as anti-clutch and selfdefeating as it's possible to get.

alfonsojose
11-14-2009, 03:13 PM
Pocahontas playing short :help:

Iván
11-14-2009, 03:13 PM
tsongas been injured hasnt he?

Dini
11-14-2009, 03:14 PM
Very. And rightly so, he was about as anti-clutch and selfdefeating as it's possible to get.

He got so pathetically tight at 5 all in each set.

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 03:15 PM
To be fair to Rafa

he missed Wimbledon- crashed out of his fave slam early. and has been injured or semi-injured for most of the year

and yet

he has still has had a better year than most of Sampras' and Agassi's best yearsNo, the year Nadal has had wouldnt get in Pete's top 6 or 7 seasons

Manon
11-14-2009, 03:18 PM
Rafa firmly rejected Nole's **** hug

practically pushed him away

Red one - not true, Novak didn't try tis '****' hug
Navy one - not true - Nadal is simply fair and decent enought not to do such a Federer move.

I don't know what you saw or what you wanted to see.
--------------------------------------------------------------

Great Novak today:worship:
As for Nadal I agree with tennizen (with her comment and with her answer to Bascule)

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 03:19 PM
Too many mugs & losers in this thread.

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 03:20 PM
Manon - yes Nole did try his **** hug and Rafa firmly rejected it. :o

Manon
11-14-2009, 03:23 PM
Even if Djokovic wins tomorrow he won't be #2 on Monday because his points from TMC last year drop off on Monday as well.

Yes.

wtf are you talking
Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 8,845
Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 8,300

God no. I'm sure you didn't listen/hear out commentator and his explanation. Nadal is over 2000 points aheaf of Novak. If Novak wins this he would reduce to 1.500.

Dini
11-14-2009, 03:24 PM
Too many mugs & losers in this thread.

You top the list, literally.

CescAndyKimi
11-14-2009, 03:25 PM
Take it Nole. Adje

born_on_clay
11-14-2009, 03:28 PM
Rafa was unwatchable today
Congrats Nole, win it please :)

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 03:28 PM
You top the list, literally.

Eh tu, Nadine?

Fiberlight1
11-14-2009, 03:29 PM
It's funny.. For as much as you haters dislike Nadal, you sure do loveee to talk about him. :)

tnosugar
11-14-2009, 03:30 PM
But those volleys!
Bless you Todd!

Manon
11-14-2009, 03:31 PM
But those volleys!
Bless you Todd!

:yeah:

Ozon
11-14-2009, 03:36 PM
You don't know what hell you're talking about. Djokovic entered this week 500 points behind Rafa and if he wins tomorrow he gets the #2 ranking.

:lol: You can repeat it as often you want, it's wrong!

Bascule
11-14-2009, 03:37 PM
As for Nadal I agree with tennizen (with her comment and with her answer to Bascule)

I didn't say anything wrong saying nadal statisticaly didn't play so bad looking at his UE - only 8, while novak had 14. simply he was outplayed, novak didn't let him to play his game, what you can see by 2-3 times more winners by novak.

paseo
11-14-2009, 03:38 PM
Great from Djokovic. I think he's ready to beat Nadal on clay.

stebs
11-14-2009, 03:39 PM
Monstrous performance. Nadal was okay, not great but not that bad, just gave Djokovic the chance to take advantage of his passive play. Needless to say, Djokovic did it in very competent fashion. Nadal had no answer.

Bascule
11-14-2009, 03:40 PM
Yes.



God no. I'm sure you didn't listen/hear out commentator and his explanation. Nadal is over 2000 points aheaf of Novak. If Novak wins this he would reduce to 1.500.

SlayerKing wasn't wrong at all about their points at the moment. look at atp ranking. Problem is that on monday novak loses 1300 from shangai (which is now london in the next week) while he gets the points from paris at the same moment.

Manon
11-14-2009, 03:43 PM
I didn't say anything wrong saying nadal statisticaly didn't play so bad looking at his UE - only 8, while novak had 14. simply he was outplayed, novak didn't let him to play his game, what you can see by 2-3 times more winners by novak.

I love you:) but I haven't heard phrase 'statisticaly playing good/bad'. This 8UE's means asolutely nothing.

Bascule
11-14-2009, 03:45 PM
I love you:) but I haven't heard phrase 'statisticaly playing good/bad'. This 8UE's means asolutely nothing.

absolutely means - as UE as Winners, telling about someone's display a lot.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-14-2009, 03:46 PM
No, the year Nadal has had wouldnt get in Pete's top 6 or 7 seasons

http://img0.timelines.com/photos/images/e15b36a09ecb8b19abcdaa0bfdbc18c6_thumb.jpg


lets see then- Pete played from 1988-2002 (15 seasons)

lets take away his "bad" (slamless years) years

1988, 1989, 91,92, 01

now lets take away his bad years where he won a slam

1990, 2002

now lets look deeper into his 1998-200 period, he only won Wimbledon here so lets analyze

he won 1 slam and 0 super 9s (masters) in 98

1 slam and 1 masters in 99

1 slam and 1 masters in 2000

all 3 of these years can be written off also since Nadal in 2009 has won 1 slam and 3 masters

NEXT

pete's "productive" period, 1993-1997

every one of the productive years he won 2 slams except for 1996- (the year he got to his only RG semi)

in 1996 he won 1 slam and 0 masters

that leaves 1993, 94,95, 97

each of these years he won 2 slams- therefore i'd call these years better than rafa's 2009

in conclusion

your assertion that Rafa wouldn't break into Sampras' top 6 or 7 years is inncorrect

he would easily break into his top 5 and thats even when considering that Rafa screwed up at RG (his fave slam)

sawan66278
11-14-2009, 03:49 PM
Impressive, yet predictable, display from Novak. Other than the most important time;) (the 2008 Olympics), Rafa has been beaten pretty severely on hard courts/faster surfaces. As I mentioned, the first set is always key in these hard court match-ups. Particularly in a best of three (though they've never met in a best of five on hard courts).

Rafa again did not play aggressively enough...and Novak made him pay...credit to him...and nice to see the respect at the net at the end.

As for the #2 ranking...one should never be allowed to be either one or two in the rankings if you don't even make a slam final in a year. Sorry Nole fans...

Bascule
11-14-2009, 03:58 PM
why "sorry nole fans" when we are not hurt at all by your personal opinion.:shrug:

Bascule
11-14-2009, 03:59 PM
actually, sorry nadal fans for terrible crush today :lol:

sawan66278
11-14-2009, 04:00 PM
:-)

It's only really complicated because of shifting calenders. As for fair.... Nadal has done better this year: he's won 1 slam and 3 masters after all, where Djoko went SF/QF/QF/R3 in the slams and hasn't yet won a masters (although surely will tomorrow).

The only reason Djokovic is close to rankings is because Nadal missed TMC and Wimbledon through injury, and had a freak loss at Roland Garros. Djoko hasn't actually had that good a year at the very top events, he's just played a ton of matches and won three 500s (Basel/Beijing/Dubai) with lesser fields. Paris is essentially a 500 in quality too, given the top players flopping out, so it kinda would make sense if he wins this too.

Exactly. Other than a hot clay run...and feasting on the 500 series events, Novak has been good...not great. Certainly not deserving of #2 spot...and if I had to rank the years so far quality wise:

1. Federer
2. Rafa
3. Del Potro
4. Murray/Novak

Next year could/should? be Novak's year to win another slam...but this year? Not even close to the top two guys in terms of quality.

Oh...and one other point: Todd Martin HAS helped Novak's approach as far as coming to the net...Rafa should take a page from that book...and one other thing: WORK ON YOUR SERVE (which led to more double faults than usual this year too).

Bascule
11-14-2009, 04:06 PM
Exactly. Other than a hot clay run...and feasting on the 500 series events, Novak has been good...not great. Certainly not deserving of #2 spot...and if I had to rank the years so far quality wise:

1. Federer
2. Rafa
3. Del Potro
4. Murray/Novak

Next year could/should? be Novak's year to win another slam...but this year? Not even close to the top two guys in terms of quality.

Oh...and one other point: Todd Martin HAS helped Novak's approach as far as coming to the net...Rafa should take a page from that book...and one other thing: WORK ON YOUR SERVE (which led to more double faults than usual this year too).

Oh, you suddenly changed your? opinion on novak's successful year? this must hurt you a lot.:hug: or you are actually sleeping in donkauf's bed tonight and have to show some loyalty?;)
you were actually talking about the first set in every nadal's match, especially on the clay....:p

rocketassist
11-14-2009, 04:07 PM
http://img0.timelines.com/photos/images/e15b36a09ecb8b19abcdaa0bfdbc18c6_thumb.jpg


lets see then- Pete played from 1988-2002 (15 seasons)

lets take away his "bad" (slamless years) years

1988, 1989, 91,92, 01

now lets take away his bad years where he won a slam

1990, 2002

now lets look deeper into his 1998-200 period, he only won Wimbledon here so lets analyze

he won 1 slam and 0 super 9s (masters) in 98

1 slam and 1 masters in 99

1 slam and 1 masters in 2000

all 3 of these years can be written off also since Nadal in 2009 has won 1 slam and 3 masters

NEXT

pete's "productive" period, 1993-1997

every one of the productive years he won 2 slams except for 1996- (the year he got to his only RG semi)

in 1996 he won 1 slam and 0 masters

that leaves 1993, 94,95, 97

each of these years he won 2 slams- therefore i'd call these years better than rafa's 2009

in conclusion

your assertion that Rafa wouldn't break into Sampras' top 6 or 7 years is inncorrect

he would easily break into his top 5 and thats even when considering that Rafa screwed up at RG (his fave slam)

Except the competition Nadal faces is miles easier than what Sampras had to come up against on all surfaces.

Johnny Groove
11-14-2009, 04:10 PM
Djokovic owns Nadal on hard courts, this result was no surprise.

Except the competition Nadal faces is miles easier than what Sampras had to come up against on all surfaces.

Well now that is the very definition of a slippery slope.

rocketassist
11-14-2009, 04:13 PM
Djokovic owns Nadal on hard courts, this result was no surprise.



Well now that is the very definition of a slippery slope.

When Pete played styles and surfaces featured different players and challenges. Everyone plays the exact same game on similar homogenized surfaces today.

Florida
11-14-2009, 04:21 PM
Exactly. Other than a hot clay run...and feasting on the 500 series events, Novak has been good...not great. Certainly not deserving of #2 spot...and if I had to rank the years so far quality wise:

1. Federer
2. Rafa
3. Del Potro
4. Murray/Novak

Next year could/should? be Novak's year to win another slam...but this year? Not even close to the top two guys in terms of quality.

Oh...and one other point: Todd Martin HAS helped Novak's approach as far as coming to the net...Rafa should take a page from that book...and one other thing: WORK ON YOUR SERVE (which led to more double faults than usual this year too).


I love your post! Could not agree more about the Slams. With this fall performance, Nole positioned himself for a great 2010. Congrats on fighting and playing all matches........ Great performance against Rafa, but Rafa nowadays is not even close to the Rafa 2008!!!!!!!

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 04:21 PM
I didn't say anything wrong saying nadal statisticaly didn't play so bad looking at his UE - only 8, while novak had 14. simply he was outplayed, novak didn't let him to play his game, what you can see by 2-3 times more winners by novak.

Yeah, I don't think Nadal played any differently than he did versus Tsonga. The difference was Djokovic. The serb was just too good, phenomenal. Nadal was simply outplayed. I don't care if Nole ends up 2, 3 or 4 as long as he keeps playing like he did today. If hee keeps it up then we can talk about a new era in tennis starting next year. ;)

Bascule
11-14-2009, 04:22 PM
I love your post! Could not agree more about the Slams. With this fall performance, Nole positioned himself for a great 2010. Congrats on fighting and playing all matches........ Great performance against Rafa, but Rafa nowadays is not even close to the Rafa 2008!!!!!!!

is that you, moose (sawan's brother from florida)? :lol:

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 04:23 PM
Hey can anyone post the video of the press conference after this match? I'd like to see what they had to say.

Burrow
11-14-2009, 04:24 PM
Yeah, I don't think Nadal played any differently than he did versus Tsonga. The difference was Djokovic. The serb was just too good, phenomenal. Nadal was simply outplayed. I don't care if Nole ends up 2, 3 or 4 as long as he keeps playing like he did today. If hee keeps it up then we can talk about a new era in tennis starting next year. ;)

Hey, you forgot to add Murray to your signature.

Lee
11-14-2009, 04:26 PM
Hey can anyone post the video of the press conference after this match? I'd like to see what they had to say.

There's no video of press conference from the official site, only audio. But there's a video interview by tennistv.com The link is in Nole's forum video thread.

rocketassist
11-14-2009, 04:26 PM
Hey can anyone post the video of the press conference after this match? I'd like to see what they had to say.

Bad gloryhunter you.

Johnny Groove
11-14-2009, 04:30 PM
When Pete played styles and surfaces featured different players and challenges. Everyone plays the exact same game on similar homogenized surfaces today.

To an extent, sure, but I don't buy the whole weak and homogenized era bullshit that people on MTF like to spew.

Sure, carpet is gone, clay is faster and hard courts are slower, but that is all general. There are still subtle differences in surfaces. That's the reason JMDP lost 2nd round at the low bouncing Wimbledon. Do you think Hewitt has any shot to beat Del Potro at any other slam?

What about when Nadal annually gets pummelled at the USO? Those courts allow players with that game to more effectively utilize it.

Drastic court differences and the subsequent specialists that littered the tennis landscape of the 90's have been replaced with this decade's super power players. In other words, the big serve to the corner of the T, net close, and volley have been replaced by the running forehand passing shot from 10 feet behind the baseline.

The game has changed, but the skill needed to pull it off hasn't changed.

philosophicalarf
11-14-2009, 04:32 PM
I didn't say anything wrong saying nadal statisticaly didn't play so bad looking at his UE - only 8, while novak had 14.

Easy to make few UEs if you're going nowhere near the lines, which is what Nadal has done all week. At the same time, it makes it easy for your opponent to spank winners at will, because everything is short, slow and at an easy height to hit.

Manon
11-14-2009, 04:32 PM
Rafa firmly rejected Nole's **** hug

practically pushed him away

Manon - yes Nole did try his **** hug and Rafa firmly rejected it. :o

Yeah, I am Brad Pitt.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gFl3Q09Mf16f/610x.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/41/fullj.69264aab103536317911a66b542e77c5/69264aab103536317911a66b542e77c5-getty-tennis-atp-fra-bercy.jpg

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-14-2009, 04:38 PM
:worship::worship: Nole :worship::worship:

The next number 1

CyBorg
11-14-2009, 04:39 PM
How many service games did Rafa lose in a row? I was watching the highlights and it appears that Rafa couldn't buy a game on serve for a while.

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 04:41 PM
Hey, you forgot to add Murray to your signature.

No, I didn't.

asmazif
11-14-2009, 04:41 PM
How many service games did Rafa lose in a row? I was watching the highlights and it appears that Rafa couldn't buy a game on serve for a while.

seven.

anon57
11-14-2009, 04:43 PM
How many service games did Rafa lose in a row? I was watching the highlights and it appears that Rafa couldn't buy a game on serve for a while.Rafa went from 3-2* to 6-2 3-0* without winning a single point on serve I think.

siloe26
11-14-2009, 04:44 PM
Impressive, yet predictable, display from Novak. Other than the most important time;) (the 2008 Olympics), Rafa has been beaten pretty severely on hard courts/faster surfaces. As I mentioned, the first set is always key in these hard court match-ups. Particularly in a best of three (though they've never met in a best of five on hard courts).

Rafa again did not play aggressively enough...and Novak made him pay...credit to him...and nice to see the respect at the net at the end.

As for the #2 ranking...one should never be allowed to be either one or two in the rankings if you don't even make a slam final in a year. Sorry Nole fans...

I don't agree. I'm a Nadal's fan, so obviously, I don't want to see Djoko take the second place, but I can't accept that the GS mean absolutely everything. I always see as disastrous the attitude of players who don't care about the other tournaments. The worst one is on the Womens Tour and she's number one. ;) Seriously, if the other tournaments are not important, I would suggest to make exhibitions of them with players coming for money and to have some fun and some practice. The fact is that a professional player has to play like a professional everywhere. There is a calender and, normally, what you can expect from a professional is that he does his best everywhere. Just my opinion.

Ichiban1920
11-14-2009, 04:47 PM
At least the lesser of two evils won and tennis was saved.

Bascule
11-14-2009, 04:56 PM
Yeah, I am Brad Pitt.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gFl3Q09Mf16f/610x.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/41/fullj.69264aab103536317911a66b542e77c5/69264aab103536317911a66b542e77c5-getty-tennis-atp-fra-bercy.jpg

Sorry, fedtards, images speak more than words.:ras:

Noleta
11-14-2009, 04:56 PM
I don't agree. I'm a Nadal's fan, so obviously, I don't want to see Djoko take the second place, but I can't accept that the GS mean absolutely everything. I always see as disastrous the attitude of players who don't care of the other tournaments. The worst one is on the Womens Tour and she's number one. ;) Seriously, if the other tournaments are not important, I would suggest to make exhibitions of them with players coming for money and to have some fun and some practice. The fact is that a professional player has to play like a professional everywhere. There is a calender and, normally, what you can expect from a professional is that he does his best everywhere. Just my opinion.

This.:worship:

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-14-2009, 04:57 PM
At least the lesser of two evils won and tennis was saved.

The great heroes of tennis played against each other. There was no evil. The evil one already lost early to some weak french player.

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 04:58 PM
I just saw today's Nadal post-match interview and it sums up perfectly my view of the match (that he didn't played much differently against Tsonga but today Novak was unstoppable). As always he's humble and gives all praise to Novak as it's due, not even Federer is such a gentleman, that's why I love him.

Q. Rafa, you struggled to find the form you had against Tsonga in that match...
A. No, I was in similar form but Djokovic played unbelivable. I've never seen Djokovic play like this against me. It was very difficult to play. He played much better than me. Novak was unstoppable to me today. At this level it's very difficult to beat him.

your_valentine
11-14-2009, 04:58 PM
Tennis has been saved once again today :bowdown:
Go for the title Novak :kiss:

l_mac
11-14-2009, 05:10 PM
That's it, Rafito, get them just where you want them :worship:

Rafa seems increasingly fond of Nole :sad:

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 05:13 PM
As always he's humble and gives all praise to Novak as it's due, not even Federer is such a gentleman, that's why I love him.

stop coming here just to bash Federer, pathetic behaviour.... fans like you

Ad Wim
11-14-2009, 05:13 PM
Wow! Where are all those haters now, who think Nole could never be a contender anymore and thought he never would reach the level of AO 08?!

:woohoo:

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 05:14 PM
Rafa seems increasingly fond of Nole

That's because they're good friends.

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 05:16 PM
Sorry, fedtards, images speak more than words.:ras:doesnt show the whole picture

Bascule
11-14-2009, 05:16 PM
That's it, Rafito, get them just where you want them :worship:

Rafa seems increasingly fond of Nole :sad:

this must hurt, eh? :lol:

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 05:17 PM
@ Corey Feldman & Burton (Are you the same annoying guy?)... I'm not gonna bother answering your taunts anymore. You're too hilarious for that. :ras:

Bascule
11-14-2009, 05:18 PM
I just saw today's Nadal post-match interview and it sums up perfectly my view of the match (that he didn't played much differently against Tsonga but today Novak was unstoppable). As always he's humble and gives all praise to Novak as it's due, not even Federer is such a gentleman, that's why I love him.

Q. Rafa, you struggled to find the form you had against Tsonga in that match...
A. No, I was in similar form but Djokovic played unbelivable. I've never seen Djokovic play like this against me. It was very difficult to play. He played much better than me. Novak was unstoppable to me today. At this level it's very difficult to beat him.

:yeah:

Manon
11-14-2009, 05:19 PM
pathetic behaviour.... fans like you

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Aenea
11-14-2009, 05:19 PM
Nole :hatoff: Great run this fall, congrats.


Rafa :help: what was that sh*tty performance, baby? Who plays against Nole like that and wins? :rolleyes: Get your things together ASAP.

Vida
11-14-2009, 05:20 PM
just my luck. I set up everything to watch the match in peace, when some bozo whom I havent seen in five years calls me for a favor that, it turned out, lasted till the mid-second set. hope I'll catch the rerun tomorrow.

nole:yeah:
rafa:hug:

Corey Feldman
11-14-2009, 05:21 PM
Burton :lol:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What the hell are you saying clown?

Manon
11-14-2009, 05:31 PM
What the hell are you saying clown?

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Manon/jerkoff.gif:kiss:

dusan1610
11-14-2009, 05:32 PM
Ajde!!!!

born_on_clay
11-14-2009, 05:33 PM
This is how a gat champion should react ater a loss:
The good thing is "I finished this tournament much better than I started...The confidence will not go away because I lost," said Rafa at the end of the match before giving Novak full credit for an incredible victory. "Nobody likes to lose, but you have to be realistic and accept when your opponent is better than you."

"He played extremely well," admitted Rafa. "He played unbelievable, in my opinion. I didn't play bad. That's the truth. But with this level of Novak’s, [it] is very difficult to play at this level, especially [on] this surface. I finish the tournament playing much better than [how] I started [it]."

elessar
11-14-2009, 05:40 PM
This is how a gat champion should react ater a loss:
"I didn't play bad"
Self denial is the way to go, worked wonders for Roger the past few years.

l_mac
11-14-2009, 05:41 PM
"I didn't play bad"
Self denial is the way to go, worked wonders for Roger the past few years.

:lol: Yeah shut up, Rafa. Sounds like something Benito wrote for him :rolleyes:

MalwareDie
11-14-2009, 05:56 PM
Expected. Mugboar should have been defeated by Almugro.

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 05:56 PM
"I didn't play bad"

Because he didn't!

born_on_clay
11-14-2009, 06:25 PM
He played unbelievable, in my opinion. I didn't play bad. That's the truth

CONTEXT !

Aenea
11-14-2009, 06:27 PM
Because he didn't!

Yes, it's only Nole playing great :rolleyes: another delusional one :wavey:
Serving subpar, playing defensively, being absent on BP is all good play, yeah

tangerine_dream
11-14-2009, 06:29 PM
Why don't you guys just start a "Rafa is finished" thread and post all your doomsday theories in there so we can keep you all in one place. That way it will be easier to quote you when Rafa wins RG again next year. :)

You top the list, literally.
:lol:


Rafa seems increasingly fond of Nole :sad:
Some day you will be, too. :hearts:

Fiberlight1
11-14-2009, 06:30 PM
Yes, it's only Nole playing great :rolleyes: another delusional one :wavey:
Serving subpar, playing defensively, being absent on BP is all good play, yeah

Nole never faced a break point..

Yeah, Rafa played defensively, but that's his primary game style.. When someone with an aggressive style is on, Rafa has no plan B..

But Nole never facing a break point against one of the better returners in the game really says something about Nole's level today.

Bascule
11-14-2009, 06:36 PM
Because he didn't!

he had only 8 UE. tennizen, did you read?

Aenea
11-14-2009, 06:38 PM
Nole never faced a break point..
Yeah, Rafa played defensively, but that's his primary game style.. When someone with an aggressive style is on, Rafa has no plan B..

But Nole never facing a break point against one of the better returners in the game really says something about Nole's level today.

Who speaks about Nole :rolleyes: absent when facing a BP :rolleyes: should I really explain. Usually Rafa is clutch on BP and saves a lot. Today he couldn't save a single one. Had he played good he wouldn't have lost 2 and 3. He may still have lost the way Nole was playing but not by this scoreline.

MrChopin
11-14-2009, 06:38 PM
Why don't you guys just start a "Rafa is finished" thread and post all your doomsday theories in there so we can keep you all in one place. That way it will be easier to quote you when Rafa wins RG again next year. :)

Because there would be about 80% of GM with "us" and 20% of GM with "you guys" trying to keep "us" in one place.

sawan66278
11-14-2009, 06:43 PM
This is how a gat champion should react ater a loss:

Classy as always...have to say, even though I mentioned earlier that for the year, Novak has had the fourth best results, he is playing better than anyone in the world right now. VERY smart, attacking well...this may be his time (2010).

Bascule
11-14-2009, 06:46 PM
Classy as always...have to say, even though I mentioned earlier that for the year, Novak has had the fourth best results, he is playing better than anyone in the world right now. VERY smart, attacking well...this may be his time (2010).

who are you to claim so?:retard:
he already had a brilliant period for several months in 2007/2008. :shrug: wouldn't be a surprise.

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 06:47 PM
Classy as always...have to say, even though I mentioned earlier that for the year, Novak has had the fourth best results, he is playing better than anyone in the world right now. VERY smart, attacking well...this may be his time (2010).

So true, I couldn't have said it better.

As for Nadal, what's not to love? he's the sweetest guy ever. I'm actually sorry for him today but he's not finished (such a stupid concept), he will come back stonger next year.

siloe26
11-14-2009, 06:54 PM
Wow! Where are all those haters now, who think Nole could never be a contender anymore and thought he never would reach the level of AO 08?!

:woohoo:

You know, those haters are always like that. Some months ago, Federer was dead for some of those haters. Djoko as well. Now, it's Nadal. Murray was almost dead after the USO. And I guess some Del Potro's haters already predict that the guy is finished.:rolleyes:

HKz
11-14-2009, 06:58 PM
Fantastic match by Djokovic employing the same strategy everyone has been to defeat Nadal these past couple of months. But I definitely do not think we should get ahead of ourselves yet. Obviously this has been his most successful couple of consistent months he has he had for a long while, but I remember a Djokovic that won the Australian only dropping one set and how much he was hyped to take control of the ATP, and that really has happened. Of course this is fantastic for him to end the year like this but we will need to see what is in store in 2010. Going to be a great year :D

born_on_clay
11-14-2009, 06:59 PM
Why don't you guys just start a "Rafa is finished" thread and post all your doomsday theories in there so we can keep you all in one place. That way it will be easier to quote you when Rafa wins RG again next year. :)


:lol:



Some day you will be, too. :hearts:

First of all Rafa had 8 UE today ! That's preety good imo

Secondly I'll post Rafa's last three results in case you forget:
SF, F, SF
Yeah, for sure, he's done

Vida
11-14-2009, 07:03 PM
Fantastic match by Djokovic employing the same strategy everyone has been to defeat Nadal these past couple of months. But I definitely do not think we should get ahead of ourselves yet. Obviously this has been his most successful couple of consistent months he has he had for a long while, but I remember a Djokovic that won the Australian only dropping one set and how much he was hyped to take control of the ATP, and that really has happened. Of course this is fantastic for him to end the year like this but we will need to see what is in store in 2010. Going to be a great year :D

words of wisdom.

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 07:11 PM
Eurosport live commentary
6-2 - ...and he caps it with an absolutely blazing backhand return of serve winner. Well, if he ever plays a better set of tennis I will be suprised. Nadal didn't do a whole lot wrong, but was absolutely blown away. Two breaks to love in that set.

karadjordje
11-14-2009, 07:12 PM
we know what Nole is like when he's a match away from #2 rank ;)

http://clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/wcj.gif

If you have nothing better to say after such a great match by Novak.
Just shut the fuck up will you.:eek:

elessar
11-14-2009, 07:28 PM
he had only 8 UE. tennizen, did you read?
And a whopping 7 winners from the ground, probably his only FHs in the match that landed beyond the service line.

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 07:31 PM
A very entertaining read.

http://www.fft.fr/bnpparibasmasters/2009_en/?ID=5649
Saturday 14 November: As it happens

3.48: The Djoker chats to the speaker, promises to speak in French if he wins tomorrow, bashes a ball into the crowd (the guy who catches it wins a load of gear and gets to play three points against the winner of the second match) and then signs autographs a-go-go. The crowd love it and he’s firmly in the role of favourite tomorrow, whoever wins the second semi which will get under way soon.

3.36: Game, set and match Djokovic 6-2 6-3! The Djoker wins, serving out to 15, in barely an hour and a quarter. Incredible. His two-handed backhands, particularly on service return, were absolutely textbook today. The crowd hails him when the speaker calls out his name, but they are strangely subdued otherwise - no doubt expecting more of a match. As we all were… DJ Fred Viktor plays Blue Monday – how does it feel, Rafa?

3.34: 5-3 Djokovic. Rafa holds to love. Let’s not forget that he’s only a break behind. New balls. Rafa changes racquet. Four points.

3.29: 5-2 Djokovic. Rafa’s turn to return with insolent ease and paint the lines, then Djoker slices a drop then passes with a two-handed backhand. Ooh, he turns his right ankle when doing it but carries on. At 40-30 he smashes and it’s called long, but it was plumb on the line. He’s four points away.

3.25: 4-2 Djokovic. Rafa holds to 30. If the Djoker can serve out here next up, then Rafa’s done like the dishes…

3.19: 4-1 Djokovic. Djoker double –faults to make it 30-all and the crowd can sniff a comeback in the air. Rafa hangs soooo tough in the next rally but the Djoker paints the corners and Rafa loooongs one (well, only longs it actually, it was barely out), then Djoker holds. Whoosh.

3.15: 3-1 Djokovic. Rafa rallies from 0-30 to take four points in a row. He looks as miserable as sin out there (not that he ever looks anything else when on court) but is this the turning point?

3.08: 3-0 Djokovic. Mini-bagel, mini mini-bagel! This is incredible. An out-of-sorts Nadal and Djokovic in a state of grace. You can stick a fork in Rafa – he’s done. Hasn’t won a point on service since… I dunno, 20 minutes! It’s incredible!

3.03: 2-0 Djokovic, break! TO LOVE! The Djoker is smiling when waiting to return serve! It’s incredible! Nadal’s shots are just sitting up and begging, waiting to be hit, and the Djoker is hitting two-handed backhands with a crispness I have rarely seen. Picking his spots, rights into the corner.

2.58: 1-0 Djokovic. Djoker opens a 40-15 lead, but then double-faults and we end up at deuce. Djoker then steps up with two big serves and it’s game. Rafa made him work there though, which he hasn’t done since 2-2 in the first set. Now, what can he do on serve?

2.54: 6-2 Djokovic, break and first set! The Djoker breaks to love! Again! He just steps into Rafa’s serve and absolutely spanks it. Sends it to bed without any supper. Confiscates its video games. Grounds it for a week. Gives it no pocket money for a month. Djoker won 91% of first service points, Rafa 42%. Yeesh.

2.49: 5-2 Djokovic! Big serves, big follow up and even the deftest of drops to round the game off. To love. Rafa hasn’t won a point since before the last change-over. The earth is trembling already…

2.47: 4-2 Djokovic, break! The Djoker races into a 0-40 lead and this is where over the past few days, Rafa has stepped up his game. But here he does what he did against Almagro – just sits back and waits for his opponent to make an error. Big mistake. Huge, as Julia Roberts said in Pretty Woman. Djoker leans into a two-handed backhand with that quirky, all knees and elbows action of his, and sends one down the line and into the corner. Break. To love. Whoosh.

2.42: 3-2 Djokovic. Djoker holds to 15, firing down an ace to finish off the game for good measure. The crowd seem to be right behind him – unlike the comments down below, where we have lots of Rafans, as was the case on Friday. Despite being an adopted Swissie, I’m really getting into Nadal’s game more and more, particularly this week.

2.39: 2-2. Nadal holds despite Djoker taking the opening point. Tight stuff, even the crowd are tense.

2.33: 2-1 Djoker, after a hold to 15 (but there was more tennis in those five points than you get in some sets).

2.30: Rafa holds comfortably and that’s one each. We’ve had some cracking points already so far though and the crowd area certainly getting their money’s worth.

2.23: What a first point! Djoker draws Rafa into the net and lobs him, then Rafa hot-dogs (between the legs) but into the net. We then get an overrule on a point by Mo Layanai which is then Hawkeyed and called back in, and Mo is full of contrition. And since it’s him, Djoker doesn’t mind. Everyone loves Mo. And in the end, the Djoker holds – 1-0 and this match has had it all already in the opening minutes!

2.20: OK, here we go, the Djoker to serve, under the watchful eye of the lovely Jelena, his girlfiend (not Jankovic, I hasten to add, but having see a photo of JJ in the exhibition catalogue you can win in the caption competition, she’s looking every bit as lovely as well when she’s off court and can scrub up a bit).

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 07:39 PM
Nole definitely has the most devastating backhand in the game right now.

malisha
11-14-2009, 08:35 PM
expected one:hatoff:

malisha
11-14-2009, 08:44 PM
where are those who said that Nadals serve,forehand DTL and movement are back after only one good match :haha:

clueless mugs

tnosugar
11-14-2009, 09:21 PM
That's it, Rafito, get them just where you want them :worship:

Rafa seems increasingly fond of Nole :sad:

guess you'll have to come up with a new status message then ;)

tnosugar
11-14-2009, 09:22 PM
A very entertaining read.

http://www.fft.fr/bnpparibasmasters/2009_en/?ID=5649
Saturday 14 November: As it happens

3.48: The Djoker chats to the speaker, promises to speak in French if he wins tomorrow, bashes a ball into the crowd (the guy who catches it wins a load of gear and gets to play three points against the winner of the second match) and then signs autographs a-go-go. The crowd love it and he’s firmly in the role of favourite tomorrow, whoever wins the second semi which will get under way soon.

3.36: Game, set and match Djokovic 6-2 6-3! The Djoker wins, serving out to 15, in barely an hour and a quarter. Incredible. His two-handed backhands, particularly on service return, were absolutely textbook today. The crowd hails him when the speaker calls out his name, but they are strangely subdued otherwise - no doubt expecting more of a match. As we all were… DJ Fred Viktor plays Blue Monday – how does it feel, Rafa?

3.34: 5-3 Djokovic. Rafa holds to love. Let’s not forget that he’s only a break behind. New balls. Rafa changes racquet. Four points.

3.29: 5-2 Djokovic. Rafa’s turn to return with insolent ease and paint the lines, then Djoker slices a drop then passes with a two-handed backhand. Ooh, he turns his right ankle when doing it but carries on. At 40-30 he smashes and it’s called long, but it was plumb on the line. He’s four points away.

3.25: 4-2 Djokovic. Rafa holds to 30. If the Djoker can serve out here next up, then Rafa’s done like the dishes…

3.19: 4-1 Djokovic. Djoker double –faults to make it 30-all and the crowd can sniff a comeback in the air. Rafa hangs soooo tough in the next rally but the Djoker paints the corners and Rafa loooongs one (well, only longs it actually, it was barely out), then Djoker holds. Whoosh.

3.15: 3-1 Djokovic. Rafa rallies from 0-30 to take four points in a row. He looks as miserable as sin out there (not that he ever looks anything else when on court) but is this the turning point?

3.08: 3-0 Djokovic. Mini-bagel, mini mini-bagel! This is incredible. An out-of-sorts Nadal and Djokovic in a state of grace. You can stick a fork in Rafa – he’s done. Hasn’t won a point on service since… I dunno, 20 minutes! It’s incredible!

3.03: 2-0 Djokovic, break! TO LOVE! The Djoker is smiling when waiting to return serve! It’s incredible! Nadal’s shots are just sitting up and begging, waiting to be hit, and the Djoker is hitting two-handed backhands with a crispness I have rarely seen. Picking his spots, rights into the corner.

2.58: 1-0 Djokovic. Djoker opens a 40-15 lead, but then double-faults and we end up at deuce. Djoker then steps up with two big serves and it’s game. Rafa made him work there though, which he hasn’t done since 2-2 in the first set. Now, what can he do on serve?

2.54: 6-2 Djokovic, break and first set! The Djoker breaks to love! Again! He just steps into Rafa’s serve and absolutely spanks it. Sends it to bed without any supper. Confiscates its video games. Grounds it for a week. Gives it no pocket money for a month. Djoker won 91% of first service points, Rafa 42%. Yeesh.

2.49: 5-2 Djokovic! Big serves, big follow up and even the deftest of drops to round the game off. To love. Rafa hasn’t won a point since before the last change-over. The earth is trembling already…

2.47: 4-2 Djokovic, break! The Djoker races into a 0-40 lead and this is where over the past few days, Rafa has stepped up his game. But here he does what he did against Almagro – just sits back and waits for his opponent to make an error. Big mistake. Huge, as Julia Roberts said in Pretty Woman. Djoker leans into a two-handed backhand with that quirky, all knees and elbows action of his, and sends one down the line and into the corner. Break. To love. Whoosh.

2.42: 3-2 Djokovic. Djoker holds to 15, firing down an ace to finish off the game for good measure. The crowd seem to be right behind him – unlike the comments down below, where we have lots of Rafans, as was the case on Friday. Despite being an adopted Swissie, I’m really getting into Nadal’s game more and more, particularly this week.

2.39: 2-2. Nadal holds despite Djoker taking the opening point. Tight stuff, even the crowd are tense.

2.33: 2-1 Djoker, after a hold to 15 (but there was more tennis in those five points than you get in some sets).

2.30: Rafa holds comfortably and that’s one each. We’ve had some cracking points already so far though and the crowd area certainly getting their money’s worth.

2.23: What a first point! Djoker draws Rafa into the net and lobs him, then Rafa hot-dogs (between the legs) but into the net. We then get an overrule on a point by Mo Layanai which is then Hawkeyed and called back in, and Mo is full of contrition. And since it’s him, Djoker doesn’t mind. Everyone loves Mo. And in the end, the Djoker holds – 1-0 and this match has had it all already in the opening minutes!

2.20: OK, here we go, the Djoker to serve, under the watchful eye of the lovely Jelena, his girlfiend (not Jankovic, I hasten to add, but having see a photo of JJ in the exhibition catalogue you can win in the caption competition, she’s looking every bit as lovely as well when she’s off court and can scrub up a bit).

is this drew's commentary? i adore that guy :cool:

Matt01
11-14-2009, 09:25 PM
The great heroes of tennis played against each other. There was no evil. The evil one already lost early to some weak french player.


+1

Geo
11-14-2009, 09:25 PM
nice work, djokovic :yeah:


nadal didn't raise his level and he finally ran into someone who wasn't going to choke or give away free points :shrug:

Nole fan
11-14-2009, 09:28 PM
I just saw the reruns and I'm impressed with some of the winners from Djokovic, the best tennis I've seen in months. Today he played like he could do nothing wrong. The Spanish commentators were at loss for words... poor Nadal.

Sophocles
11-14-2009, 09:38 PM
Well played Djokovic. Great to see him showing this kind of world-beating form again.

leng jai
11-14-2009, 09:42 PM
Hey Fedfan...

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

FedFan_2007
11-14-2009, 09:43 PM
Hey Fedfan...

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

http://robotpirateninja.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/inet_tough_guy.jpg

tennizen
11-14-2009, 10:10 PM
he had only 8 UE. tennizen, did you read?

I read his presser but I don't agree with him. He's really in denial as far as I am concerned. He played really really crap especially on his serve.

Edit: And he had only 8 UEs because he was pushing the ball to the middle of the court. Not much opportunity to commit errors there.

Topspin Forehand
11-14-2009, 10:12 PM
Great performance from Novak as usual against Nadal. Nobody is a worse matchup for Nadal than Djokovic. I've felt this way for a long time now. I think Djokovic could be the number 1 player next year.

Forehander
11-14-2009, 10:45 PM
What an absolute horrible match up. This is simply routine stuff from Djokovic, people should not be surprised. Very silly for Nadal using the same game plan over and over to tackle Djokovic.

coonster14
11-14-2009, 10:47 PM
Great performance from Novak as usual against Nadal. Nobody is a worse matchup for Nadal than Djokovic. I've felt this way for a long time now. I think Djokovic could be the number 1 player next year.

on a hard court, yes i agree that Rafa would not wish to face Nole again after the last 2 thrashings Nole has handed out to him, plus Nole now has a 6-3 record on HC against Rafa.

hopefully Nole will be able to beat Rafa on clay next year :), he was so so close in that Madrid match, :sad:.

i also think along with Nole, Del Potro is Rafa's worst matchupe as well, Del Potro has beaten him the last 3 times, most recent being US Open (and we all know what happened there...).

don't get me wrong, i am a fan of Rafa, but he is just losing badly these days because he just does not attack enough, and omg, he also does not hit the ball deep enough, his short balls are just screaming out an invitation to his opponent "Please smash me!!!".

Now please win in Paris Nole, cane Monfils in front of his home crowd just like u beat Federer in Basel last week!!! :worship: :wavey:

shotgun
11-14-2009, 10:59 PM
RedFury and Bazooka nowhere to be seen, as expected.

Clay Death
11-14-2009, 11:10 PM
RedFury and Bazooka nowhere to be seen, as expected.


i am here. what do you have to say? just say it to me and forget about red fury or bazooka. they will be here soon enough. you want to say the clay monster stunk up the court or what?

that much is fairly bloody obvious, dont you think? nobody who is intelligent and understands the game here said that he was going to win.

i said that the serbian slayer has to be the favorite going into this match. nadal could have only changed that if he had managed to win the first set and rattle djokovic a little. and then, and only then, maybe the outcome would have been less certain.

i will go so far as to say that it will not be until monte carlo next year before he is able to win his next title. at the current rate, even his clay dominance is likely to suffer.

i believe he takes the french open next year but he may not win every single clay event that enters. there will be a learning curve involved.

the fact of the matter is that his game, his fitness, his movement, and his confidence have taken quite a hit this year. it is just going to take some time.

elessar
11-14-2009, 11:17 PM
RedFury and Bazooka nowhere to be seen, as expected.
i am here. what do you have to say? you want to say the the clay monster stunk up the court or what?

So many double accounts :eek: RFK is bad enough, you're playing with fire, CD.

malisha
11-14-2009, 11:29 PM
RedFury and Bazooka nowhere to be seen, as expected.

they will be back as soon as Nadal wins a match against top player again

Clay Death
11-14-2009, 11:30 PM
So many double accounts :eek: RFK is bad enough, you're playing with fire, CD.


making assumptions like that only ruins your credibility further. mods and the super mods are about 1000 times smarter than you will ever be. you let them worry about double accounts since its pretty clear that you dont have a clue.

dont you think they know who i am and who rfk is? he happens to be a friend of mine. we talked often at tennis for you dot com before i moved here for good.

and also try staying on the subject. it makes you look slightly less stupid if you just stay on the subject.

let your fellow mtf posters just wonder if you are dense as mud than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

malisha
11-14-2009, 11:33 PM
i understand that you are happy and overrreacting when your favourite player performs good after the slump

but to say that he is back to his 2008. form is just fucking clueless

Clay Death
11-14-2009, 11:42 PM
i understand that you are happy and overrreacting when your favourite player performs good after the slump

but to say that he is back to his 2008. form is just fucking clueless

who said that? produce that post here.

i have actually been saying just the opposite for pretty much the who year actually. he started looking shaky to me even as early as monte carlo. since then he has continued to get worse.

i am simply horrified at what i saw in paris. i thought that there might be at least some minor gains in movement. his movement is the worst i have ever seen it. i know he says that his confidence is getting better but it is shattered beyond belief. trust me on this.

yes he won monte carlo, barcelona, and rome but he struggled like never before to win those 3 events. it was clear to me that he was not moving well and that was a big part of the reason why he was struggling. it took him over 4 hours to put away djokovic on clay in madrid. murray also pushed him around in monte carlo before finally losing that match.


it is simply going to take some time. he is completely out of it at the moment. beating clowns like almugro, robredo, and tsonga proves nothing.

malisha
11-14-2009, 11:50 PM
here you go

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9315420&postcount=87


but somehow i can understand it
some just see what they want to see

tektonac
11-14-2009, 11:56 PM
some high voltage stuff from nole. rafa just got zapped.:angel:

elessar
11-14-2009, 11:58 PM
who said that? produce that post here.

I've recovered from your latest crushing blow to my self esteem just long enough to find this:
Good stuff Rafael, he will surely regain his number one ranking early next year, I have no doubt about that.

Tsonga played an amazing match but Rafa was amazing today, he finally looked himself after months of slumping, this is his best match by a long shot since the end of April, early May!
!
VAMOS RAFA Welcome Back!!!


Great great match. Old Nadal is back! :worship:


28W-8UF is God mode for Nadal. This was one of the best match he has ever played. And his volleying skill lately :worship:

How about Rafa is a f..... Champion and it finally looks like he rediscovered his game. No matter fan of Rafa or not if anyone actually watched the match today, they would have to admit that Rafa played a hell of a match and he deserved this win!
Like it or not he is back so don't hate the playa, hate the game;)
The performance of Rafa today and yesterday was leagues apart! His best match in 6 months or more.:)

finally since april 2009, there was glimpses of rafa's legendary hook forehand cross court that pulls the player out wide. I almost forgot how good rafa was at that stroke. I also feel rafa served as well as I can remember for a long time. Clutch volleying too. Really happy to see rafa make a positive stride back to regaining his top form. VAMOS RAFA KEEP IT UP!!!

And everybody's fav :worship:
He can lose some points and become #1 if Fed loses some more.

But I agree, he will probably not regain his #1 until June (RG) and before that he may even go down to #3. No shame in that.

However, things to note from this match.

A) Nadal is back. His FH down the line, his serve from 2008, his movement. 8 errors in a long, hard match. 28 winners! 12 points at the net!!! He may have bounced back even better than he was.
B) He can defeat heavy hitters on a fast court if he is in top form. Stop the carpet whinning, I would also prefer more variety but the present surfaces are these.
C) Given how the other top seeds are playing, he is my favourite to win the whole thing, and start the Masters only 300 points behind Federer.


You're welcome :hug:

Clay Death
11-15-2009, 12:00 AM
here you go

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9315420&postcount=87


but somehow i can understand it
some just see what they want to see

that is bazooka`s own opinion from her/his own vantage point. i have to respect her/his opinion as it is optimistic and more positive.

however i see things differently. i see a wounded animal. wounded in every way possible. he is not even remotely close to the level he achieved in 2008.

being out no less than 3 times in a single year alone on account of injuries can do that for a player. his game, his fitness, his movement, and his confidence are in shambles at the moment.

watch and learn some more if you still dont believe. watch the world tour finals closely.

i will say this again: his next title will not come until the next clay season but even there he will struggle initially.

Clay Death
11-15-2009, 12:05 AM
[QUOTE=elessar;9320543]I've recovered from your latest crushing blow to my self esteem just long enough to find this:


just know what you are talking about next time and leave the double account business to the mods and i will spare you of these bone crushing blows to your fragile self esteem.

dont accuse me of anything. i always tell it like it is.

and finally, nobody is harder on his own players than i am. that is just a fact because i prefer to remain grounded in reality.

malisha
11-15-2009, 12:05 AM
i have no problem with positive and optimistic opinions just thought Bazooka is a serious poster

made a mistake not the first and definitely not the last one

Clay Death
11-15-2009, 12:07 AM
i have no problem with positive and optimistic opinions just thought Bazooka is a serious poster

made a mistake not the first and definitely not the last one


i have nothing but respect for bazooka. i like his/her optimism and the positive outlook. nothing wrong with that.

elessar
11-15-2009, 12:18 AM
i have actually been saying just the opposite for pretty much the who year actually. he started looking shaky to me even as early as monte carlo. since then he has continued to get worse.
Good call.
his form is not there at the moment. sufficient match play and practice on clay will fine tune his ground game as always.

Monte Carlo was a critical hurdle to cross. now all systems are pretty much go for the run at the Roland Garros.

he should take Rome and Madrid and then steamroll in Paris. he will probably take Barcelona next week as well. the smart thing to do is to skip it.


yes he won monte carlo, barcelona, and rome but he struggled like never before to win those 3 events. it was clear to me that he was not moving well and that was a big part of the reason why he was struggling. it took him over 4 hours to put away djokovic on clay in madrid. murray also pushed him around in monte carlo before finally losing that match.
He lost one set in MC, zero in Barcelona (unlike 2008, and unlike 2006 when he was down a break in the third), and zero also in Rome (unlike 2008 where he lost 2nd round, 2007 where he played a 3.30+ hours epic against Davydenko, 2006 where he played a 5 hours epic against Roger, 2005 where he played a 5 hours epic against Coria.)

Did you not watch tennis before joining MTF?

cocrcici
11-15-2009, 12:20 AM
Nole:D::eek::D