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Germany's national goalkeeper Robert Enke dies at the age of 32

Bilbo
11-10-2009, 06:48 PM
breaking news. no infos yet.

holy shit :eek: :sad:

el tenista
11-10-2009, 06:57 PM
According to Police information, Enke committed suicide at a railroad crossing. This is just unbelievable. :sad:
Rest in Peace.

Jens
11-10-2009, 07:04 PM
I'm totally shocked.

R.I.P Robert Enke :sad:

safin-rules-no.1
11-10-2009, 07:06 PM
Thats awful. My condolences to his family :sad:

SloKid
11-10-2009, 07:07 PM
Wow. :eek:

If I recall correctly he had some issues with depression in the past? And his little daughter died very young as well.

Shocking. :sad: Very good player. I really liked him as a player.

Ivanatis
11-10-2009, 07:12 PM
I feel sorry for his wife: first the child, now the husband.
But honestly, I don't feel more sorry than for every honest man dying in Gaza, Afghanistan or Iraq.:o

JMG
11-10-2009, 07:29 PM
A big shock. :sad: :sad:

JolánGagó
11-10-2009, 07:36 PM
shocking. rip.

But honestly, I don't feel more sorry than for every honest man dying in Gaza, Afghanistan or Iraq.:o

wtf? :shrug:

safin-rules-no.1
11-10-2009, 07:37 PM
I feel sorry for his wife: first the child, now the husband.
But honestly, I don't feel more sorry than for every honest man dying in Gaza, Afghanistan or Iraq.:o

You needed to add this why? :retard:

ClaudiuS
11-10-2009, 07:44 PM
Shocking news. :eek:

RIP

*Ljubica*
11-10-2009, 07:50 PM
So young :sad: RIP

Certinfy
11-10-2009, 08:12 PM
R.I.P :sad:

flynn25
11-10-2009, 08:15 PM
R.I.P:sad:

Deathless Mortal
11-10-2009, 09:31 PM
Wow I can't believe this :(
RIP :sad:

KalleOnAir
11-10-2009, 09:52 PM
what a sad day

R.I.P. Robert :sad:

tiptopdaisy
11-10-2009, 10:38 PM
r.i.p :sad:

Action Jackson
11-10-2009, 10:46 PM
Horrible news.

cakedraw
11-10-2009, 10:49 PM
Not only that he was a good player, he was also a warm person, fan favorite, others also showed respect for him. It is depressing to see a great man pass away in such tragic way, hope he is in better place now.

Black Dog
11-10-2009, 10:52 PM
Inch by inch, one of the best goalkeepers that I've ever seen playing in Benfica. Given his talent, he deserved a much better career as a player...

And he seemed to be a great man as well. I remember an interview he gave to a TV channel here in Portugal, where he was asked why he preferred to have stray dogs at home. He said they were quite docile and that he just couldn't see them abandoned in the streets without doing nothing... A good man, hope he finds some peace along with his daughter.

Sunset of Age
11-10-2009, 11:14 PM
Horrible. :sad:
I think it's 99% sure this was a suicide after having read that he lost his young two-year old daughter... poor fellow.

Commiserations to all he's left behind and RIP.

adee-gee
11-10-2009, 11:15 PM
Really sad, there was a real chance he could've been #1 for the World Cup next year.

R.I.P. I guess he never got over what happened to his daughter.

cakedraw
11-10-2009, 11:17 PM
But the saddest part that he left his wife and an adopted child all by themselves

Sunset of Age
11-10-2009, 11:22 PM
But the saddest part that he left his wife and an adopted child all by themselves

Words can't properly express how I feel for them - especially his wife, first losing a child, and then her husband. Poor, poor woman... :sad:

fast_clay
11-10-2009, 11:46 PM
crikey... he must have really been in the pits... not so much closure in a suicide... really sad...

ChinoRios4Ever
11-11-2009, 02:54 AM
Terrible. RIP :sad:

Arkulari
11-11-2009, 04:41 AM
I can't imagine how depressed he must have been to take this terrible decision :sad:
RIP and my thoughts go to his family :sad:

DanaKz
11-11-2009, 06:12 AM
I never was fan of Hanover or fan of him personally - but when I heard news this morning it was very hard to me not to cry.
RIP.
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bokehlicious
11-11-2009, 06:35 AM
Very sad news, RIP Robert :sad:

Machiavelli
11-11-2009, 06:48 AM
RIP Robert

Very sad news.....

MariaV
11-11-2009, 06:59 AM
That is so shocking and sad. :sad: :sad:

Bilbo
11-11-2009, 09:18 AM
he left a letter but it's not known what is written in there yet

poor guy :sad:

RIP brother

SloKid
11-11-2009, 09:25 AM
he left a letter but it's not known what is written in there yet
I think it was quite clear yesterday that there must've been something like a letter, because his agent came out early on and confirmed it was suicide, so he must've had some definite proof.

Jelena
11-11-2009, 09:29 AM
When I came home last night and switched on tv I only saw the second half of the newsticker. "Someone confirmed to the tv station it was suicide." I thought: "Who?", switched on teletext and read the news.

It's only unbelievable, I don't want to be in Teresa's shoes now.

:wavey: Robert, I hope you saw Lara again.

Bilbo
11-11-2009, 09:44 AM
even though we are all sad about this it has to be said he has left a big pile of fragments to many people.

first of all his wife who now has to suffer two horrible deaths in her life. second of all the train driver who might have a shock for the rest of his life.

and of course big chaos in german football and his own club.

JolánGagó
11-11-2009, 10:02 AM
even though we are all sad about this it has to be said he has left a big pile of fragments to many people.

first of all his wife who now has to suffer two horrible deaths in her life. second of all the train driver who might have a shock for the rest of his life.

and of course big chaos in german football and his own club.


Always happens when people kill themselves.

Manon
11-11-2009, 11:49 AM
He couldn't bear the thought he lost his girl...

Bilbo
11-11-2009, 12:08 PM
He couldn't bear the thought he lost his girl...

that's what many people thought but it wasn't the real reason. at least not the direct reason.

he had massive depressions since 2003 even before his daughter was borned. he was afraid to lose his adoptive daughter if anyone would know about his illness. and because he already lost his own daughter and it could have happened twice it was too much for him at the end.

Har-Tru
11-11-2009, 01:56 PM
Terrible, just terrible. :sad:

Apparently he had massive fear of failure. Ironic, seeing as he was better at what he did than 99,9% of people, but that's how the human mind works...

RIP and all my best to his wife, daughter, family and friends.

I feel sorry for his wife: first the child, now the husband.
But honestly, I don't feel more sorry than for every honest man dying in Gaza, Afghanistan or Iraq.:o

I see your point, but that was uncalled for.

ClaudiuS
11-11-2009, 02:41 PM
Some of my fellow chilean countrymens living in Europe deserve to be drown in the Baltic Sea. What a bunch of retards.

Har-Tru
11-11-2009, 02:42 PM
Some of my fellow chilean countrymens living in Europe deserve to be drown in the Baltic Sea. What a bunch of retards.

Why?

ClaudiuS
11-11-2009, 02:44 PM
Why?

They're saying that the suicide was an excuse to just not play with Chile on Saturday. And it's unfair that the match had to be suspended.

"Why the next friendly match of Germany isn't suspended either? Does the mourn only last when they play with us? cowards!"

Har-Tru
11-11-2009, 02:52 PM
They're saying that the suicide was an excuse to just not play with Chile on Saturday. And it's unfair that the match had to be suspended.

"Why the next friendly match of Germany isn't suspended either? Does the mourn only last when they play with us? cowards!"

Beyond disgraceful.

ChinoRios4Ever
11-11-2009, 05:41 PM
They're saying that the suicide was an excuse to just not play with Chile on Saturday. And it's unfair that the match had to be suspended.

"Why the next friendly match of Germany isn't suspended either? Does the mourn only last when they play with us? cowards!"

Simply pathetic! :retard:

StevoTG
11-12-2009, 03:54 AM
:sad:

This suicide has thrown me a bit, I didn't know the guy personaly but it still has.

He was a compassionate and intelligent man. He had darkness inside, demons he battled and personal tragedy, but I can not understand how he could adopt a newborn child with his wife in May of this year, and then leave them behind (and the 8 adopted dogs they had taken in). He must have been suffering terribly, but still... unbelievable

Machiavelli
11-12-2009, 07:59 AM
Enke had massive fear of failing, both in what he did as a job and regarding his family; he thought his dreams came true when he signed for Barca, he was introduced together with Van Gaal, in his first match Barca lost in a terrible way, and older players Like Frank De Boer blamed him, he was benched, never made it back; moved to Fenerbahce to Christoph Daum, he was no.1there before turkish legend Recber Rustu, again his team loses badly, and tempered turkish fans throw bottles and coins at Enke, he was lost, quits his contract there, moves back to Germany to Hannover, slowly recovers his form, becomes a top contender, then his little girl dies, Hamburger SV wanted to sign him in 2007 and he said he would not want to move away from the place where his daughter was buried; he was an outstanding goalkeeper and everyone liked him but no-one new he was having so many problems with depression;

Very sad

Jōris
11-12-2009, 11:14 AM
RIP :sad:

Jelena
11-12-2009, 11:42 AM
They're saying that the suicide was an excuse to just not play with Chile on Saturday. And it's unfair that the match had to be suspended.

"Why the next friendly match of Germany isn't suspended either? Does the mourn only last when they play with us? cowards!"
wtf?
Beyond disgraceful.
Agree.
Simply pathetic! :retard:
Idiots, yeah.
Enke had massive fear of failing, both in what he did as a job and regarding his family; he thought his dreams came true when he signed for Barca, he was introduced together with Van Gaal, in his first match Barca lost in a terrible way, and older players Like Frank De Boer blamed him, he was benched, never made it back; moved to Fenerbahce to Christoph Daum, he was no.1there before turkish legend Recber Rustu, again his team loses badly, and tempered turkish fans throw bottles and coins at Enke, he was lost, quits his contract there, moves back to Germany to Hannover, slowly recovers his form, becomes a top contender, then his little girl dies, Hamburger SV wanted to sign him in 2007 and he said he would not want to move away from the place where his daughter was buried; he was an outstanding goalkeeper and everyone liked him but no-one new he was having so many problems with depression;

Very sad
He had a HUGE fear of losing the adopted child (who is legally not yet adopted, but only a fosterchild) if the depressions would have been known publicly. Teresa said in the presser she had called the youth welfare office and they reassured her that wouldn't happen.
But another point that is important in my opinion is the public reaction: if the depressions would have been known publicly EVERYTHING would have been investigated by the press and every mistake he would have done would have been weighed doubled. There would have been surveys: "Is it possible to take a goalkeeper to South Africa as #1 who suffers from depressions?" And I'm not sure if Löw would have taken him to the WC as #1. I noticed in the last few weeks that Löw is very much influenced by the public opinion. When Robert couldn't play the quali-matches in September he said clearly: "Robert Enke is our #1." Then the healing of his physical problems took longer than everybody thought, René Adler held great in his club and tremendously vs Russia, the discussion started: "Shouldn't René Adler get at least a chance to fight for the #1 spot?" And what did Löw say: "We have 3 or 4 goalkeepers that fight for the #1 spot." Hmmmmm, we know today that Robert consulted his psychiatrist again in the beginning of October, when this discussion started. I'm not sure that Löw would have taken him to South Africa if 50 million people would have said: "No, it's not good to take him to the WC", 20 million "Yes, take him to the WC though" and 10 million: "I don't care, I don't follow football anyway."

Stensland
11-12-2009, 05:26 PM
this is the saddest all-around story i've heard this year. i so feel for his wife and his parents/in-law.

nonetheless on some level i find the suicide fairly despicable. he's survived by his wife who's been through the same kind of emotional stress he's been through when their daughter died. she apparently devoted his life to him, travelling across europe, driving him to his practise sessions, caring for him in every possible way. then they adopt a new child - and he kills himself. no matter how hard life was on him, get your fucking act together for your family, man! it's not all about you! the same goes for the two train conductors. jump off a bridge or something instead of taking down two more lives with you. these guys are traumatised forever. after all, again, "on some level" the only winner is enke himself, the others have lost pretty much everything.

Har-Tru
11-12-2009, 05:54 PM
Agree Rainer but we don't know about the train drivers. I know for a fact that, as part of their training, they receive psychological lessons warning them there is a chance this stuff will happen to them at some point, and that they mustn't feel guilty. Not that it stops them from being traumatised of course, but it's not as if they don't know it can happen.

Peta Pan
11-13-2009, 12:56 AM
Agree Rainer but we don't know about the train drivers. I know for a fact that, as part of their training, they receive psychological lessons warning them there is a chance this stuff will happen to them at some point, and that they mustn't feel guilty. Not that it stops them from being traumatised of course, but it's not as if they don't know it can happen.

I have an aunty who's husband was a train driver that hit someone in a suicide and it did indeed make him go crazy and scarred him for life. I assume some would cope better than others but it's obviously horrendous for them all. The train drivers are always the first ones I think of in a situation like this, I always get so mad when people think only of themselves to commit a suicide that is going to involve someone else.

RIP to Robert though, a tragic story. Depression is a terrible, terrible thing and I hope he has found some peace now. Condolences to his wife and family.

Peta Pan
11-13-2009, 12:57 AM
They're saying that the suicide was an excuse to just not play with Chile on Saturday. And it's unfair that the match had to be suspended.

"Why the next friendly match of Germany isn't suspended either? Does the mourn only last when they play with us? cowards!"

and this! This is just disgusting :speakles:

Henry Chinaski
11-13-2009, 03:04 AM
Agree Rainer but we don't know about the train drivers. I know for a fact that, as part of their training, they receive psychological lessons warning them there is a chance this stuff will happen to them at some point, and that they mustn't feel guilty. Not that it stops them from being traumatised of course, but it's not as if they don't know it can happen.

oh come off it man. training my balls. put yourself in that position dude.

no amount of bollocks psychology will ever prepare you for that.

JolánGagó
11-13-2009, 05:58 AM
I have a friend from a family of train drivers. She lives in terror that someone would throw himself in front of her train. All her colleagues that have lived through that experience were truly fucked-up for years if not forever, the minimum they had to leave the job.

Jōris
11-13-2009, 08:22 AM
this is the saddest all-around story i've heard this year. i so feel for his wife and his parents/in-law.

nonetheless on some level i find the suicide fairly despicable. he's survived by his wife who's been through the same kind of emotional stress he's been through when their daughter died. she apparently devoted his life to him, travelling across europe, driving him to his practise sessions, caring for him in every possible way. then they adopt a new child - and he kills himself. no matter how hard life was on him, get your fucking act together for your family, man! it's not all about you!

Goodness, I expect better posts from you. Suicide is about as irrational as it gets, no amount of reasoning, simplistic reasoning in this case, would help. What he needed was medication to restore the chemical balance in his brain. Nothing else would have worked.

JolánGagó
11-13-2009, 08:31 AM
Goodness, I expect better posts from you. Suicide is about as irrational as it gets, no amount of reasoning, simplistic reasoning in this case, would help. What he needed was medication to restore the chemical balance in his brain. Nothing else would have worked.

Not always, suicide can be a perfectly reasoned decision and as rational or irrational as any other human deed. Suicide UTI of depression isn't reasoned though and yes, only meds and therapy can help in that case.

Jōris
11-13-2009, 08:38 AM
Not always, suicide can be a perfectly reasoned decision and as rational or irrational as any other human deed. Suicide UTI of depression isn't reasoned though and yes, only meds and therapy can help in that case.

I disagree. The thought and even the preparation of suicide can be rational. But the second step, the actual act, goes against the core of our nature, as in self preservation.

JolánGagó
11-13-2009, 08:46 AM
I disagree. The thought and even the preparation of suicide can be rational. But the second step, the actual act, goes against the core of our nature, as in self preservation.

I can't agree with smth so often happening being classified as unnatural.

Stensland
11-14-2009, 12:53 PM
Goodness, I expect better posts from you. Suicide is about as irrational as it gets, no amount of reasoning, simplistic reasoning in this case, would help. What he needed was medication to restore the chemical balance in his brain. Nothing else would have worked.

yeah i've heard this "explanation" before - but i don't accept it. depressions and suicide cannot be viewed as the ultimate excuse for anything. that way out is just too easy. regarding the train drivers, apparently enke had been thinking about suicide for some time, it would've been no big deal for him to end his life in a different way if he wanted to. it's not like he was driving in his car tuesday afternoon and it suddenly hit him, like a kurzschlussreaktion. if you're able to make plans beforehand, you're able to make plans how to do it as well, sorry.

Har-Tru
11-14-2009, 01:14 PM
oh come off it man. training my balls. put yourself in that position dude.

no amount of bollocks psychology will ever prepare you for that.

I have a friend from a family of train drivers. She lives in terror that someone would throw himself in front of her train. All her colleagues that have lived through that experience were truly fucked-up for years if not forever, the minimum they had to leave the job.

OK...

Bilbo
11-14-2009, 01:48 PM
enke probably knew he would kill himself just 2 days after his last match when he went to his fans afterwards.

afterall his suicide isn't that much of a surprise after what i read about him saying in interviews over the last years.

Eden
12-03-2009, 08:43 PM
I couldn't believe it when I read the news about Robert's death on teletext. I have never felt that sad about someone being dead who I never got to knew. There are no words for this tragedy.

Eden
12-09-2009, 02:22 PM
Foundation set up in Robert Enke's name


FRANKFURT (AP) -The German soccer federation is helping to establish a foundation named after Robert Enke and dedicated to the research and treatment of depression.

The Germany goalkeeper suffered from depression for years before throwing himself in front of a train one month ago.

The foundation will also help children with heart ailments. Enke's young daughter died of a heart ailment.

The foundation is being set up by the German federation, the league association and Enke's club Hannover, and will have a starting capital of about $220,000.

Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/soccer/wires/12/09/2050.ap.soc.enke.foundation.0178/