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Basel Final: Djokovic crushes Federer 6/4 4/6 6/2

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Lalalovesong
11-08-2009, 04:40 PM
deserved win!

Doomach777
11-08-2009, 04:40 PM
discuss

azinna
11-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Federer and final sets.....

samanosuke
11-08-2009, 04:41 PM
expected one. WTA Roger at his very best

asmazif
11-08-2009, 04:41 PM
;)

cakedraw
11-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Federror lost against super mental giant Novak, what year are we in

Kworb
11-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Roger :rolleyes: embarrassing loss.

Burrow
11-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Hardly crushed him :lol:

Pretty terrible from Grandaderer.

Riffrizzle
11-08-2009, 04:41 PM
miami-esque forehands

freeandlonely
11-08-2009, 04:42 PM
congrats Nole:)
Roger:hug:

JolánGagó
11-08-2009, 04:42 PM
Federina :rolls:

well done Djoko! :rocker2:

roberthenman
11-08-2009, 04:42 PM
Federer :haha:

Certinfy
11-08-2009, 04:43 PM
:D :D Awesome week of tennis.

Dini
11-08-2009, 04:43 PM
Horrible forehand.

A well deserved victory for Novak, he showed a lot of heart and grit this week. :hatoff: Congrats to him and all his fans.

But Djokovic hardly crushed him. Federror helped a lot it has to be said. But take nothing away from Nole's display this week. :yeah:

Bascule
11-08-2009, 04:43 PM
YAY!!!!:D

:ras: for never picking Novak to win to my lousy cook and house maiden, even worse lieutenant and radiohead.

alter ego
11-08-2009, 04:44 PM
Roger idiot

Goldenoldie
11-08-2009, 04:44 PM
Damn!

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 04:44 PM
There was no reason for Djokovic to be discouraged when he lost the second set, the last time the Basel final went the distance was back in 2004, and who won that year? A fellow called Novak....

Federer's 2008: F RG, F Wimbledon, W US Open, W Basel
Federer's 2009: W RG, W Wimbledon, F US Open, F Basel

munZe konZa
11-08-2009, 04:44 PM
finally a very satisfying win for Nole, now if he can win a masters and grand slams . It could have been much easier if Nole didn't serve so many double faults and so many easy errors. He clearly showed he is a superior player and every match depends on his game

Garson007
11-08-2009, 04:45 PM
Has Djokovic lost in a 500 tournament yet? :o

Orka_n
11-08-2009, 04:45 PM
Federer played like crap today. The number of his UE got to exceed the population of China.
Well... I guess Djokovic did deserve the win because he played at an even level.

Andi-M
11-08-2009, 04:45 PM
Only saw 1st set and end of last set, but what i saw from Fred was terrible, awful horrible performance. The less bad guy won.

moon language
11-08-2009, 04:45 PM
Not a very high quality match save a couple rallies here and there. Federer's nightmare forehand is back, and Djokovic threw in too many double faults.

Anyone know what Federer was grousing about to the umpire in the third set?

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 04:45 PM
finally a very satisfying win for Nole, now if he can win a masters and grand slams . It could have been much easier if Nole didn't serve so many double faults and so many easy errors. He clearly showed he is a superior player and every match depends on his game

Second sentence right, third not so.

tangerine_dream
11-08-2009, 04:46 PM
Newsflash: Roger to accept a wildcard into the 2010 Serbia Open. :p

Typical crappy Fed/Nole match but at least Novak's on the winning side this time. Congrats to the Smurf on beating Roger in his own backyard. :hatoff:

maki925
11-08-2009, 04:46 PM
Nole :rolls: :worship:

God,I loved this!!!

samanosuke
11-08-2009, 04:46 PM
Roger idiot

Idiot is a mild word . He deserves a jail for today's presentation

Foxy
11-08-2009, 04:46 PM
Really loved how McNoleo ***** rogi's backhand. Well deserved win. Congrats.
Yet another lost final for rog. It seems his is not that fit to challenge his greatest rivals when he is forced to go the distance.

Midnight Ninja
11-08-2009, 04:47 PM
Deserved win. On the bright side Djokovic gets to keep some ranking distance from Murray.

FedFan_2007
11-08-2009, 04:47 PM
Federror :retard: go find our forehand Rog :retard: :smash:

maki925
11-08-2009, 04:47 PM
Newsflash: Roger to accept a wildcard into the 2010 Serbia Open. :p

Typical crappy Fed/Nole match but at least Novak's on the winning side this time. Congrats to the Smurf on beating Roger in his own backyard. :hatoff:


No,he is going to play in Estoril the same week. :)

Sunset of Age
11-08-2009, 04:47 PM
The less crappy player won today. Congrats to Djokovic and his fans, deserved victory. :hatoff:

Atrocious match, Fed waaaaayyyyy too passive and in full Federror-mode. Djokovic should have won it in straights, but decided to go in 'mentally absent'-mode himself in the second set, producing some DFs to hand it over to Feds. :o

Most definitely on my list of 'worst matches of 2009 played by a fav player of mine'. :worship:

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2009, 04:47 PM
Pathetic from Frauderer.

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 04:48 PM
:D :D Awesome week of tennis.

Yes. But I am glad for both winners:)

MagicMilan
11-08-2009, 04:48 PM
Congrats Novak on title no.15 :worship:
Roger's forehand was a mess today, especially in the 1st set. Well deserved for Novak but apart from some good mental strength, nothing to ave about. Mediocre match :shrug:
I hope he withdraws from Paris now, that back needs a rest.

bluefork
11-08-2009, 04:48 PM
Dear Roger,
I have to apologize for not showing up to the match today. I overslept. You know how it is with three month old twins...rest is hard to come by. But I'll try my best to make it to your first match in Paris on time.

Sincerely,
Your Forehand

Orbis
11-08-2009, 04:49 PM
Uh, didn't really crush him, but whatever :lol:

Solid match from Djokovic, he didn't let up even when Fed started showing signs of life. Some great shots from him here and there.

Federer wasn't ridiculously terrible, but he was pretty bad, especially in the final set where it was just one error after the other.

abraxas21
11-08-2009, 04:49 PM
Anyone know what Federer was grousing about to the umpire in the third set?


Probably something along the lines of "Don't tell me to be quiet, when I wanna talk I talk... I don't give a shit what he said... Don't fucking tell me rules!"

MagicMilan
11-08-2009, 04:50 PM
finally a very satisfying win for Nole, now if he can win a masters and grand slams . It could have been much easier if Nole didn't serve so many double faults and so many easy errors. He clearly showed he is a superior player and every match depends on his game
:bs:

Stephie Cesc
11-08-2009, 04:50 PM
NOLE :yeah::banana:

Burrow
11-08-2009, 04:50 PM
Grandaderer said : " I don't like it when you ignore me"

zeleni
11-08-2009, 04:50 PM
:bounce::bigclap:

Newsflash: Roger to accept a wildcard into the 2010 Serbia Open. :p


:haha:

The only way for Roger to revenge this defeat is to come here and win MM Nole Open.:D

Midnight Ninja
11-08-2009, 04:51 PM
Anyone know what Federer was grousing about to the umpire in the third set?

One of the linesman called a first serve out which was in and then immediately corrected therefore having to replay. It was either at Deuce or BP (an important point).

anon57
11-08-2009, 04:51 PM
Federer's 2008: F RG, F Wimbledon, W US Open, W Basel
Federer's 2009: W RG, W Wimbledon, F US Open, F BaselNot a bad trade-off;)
Better player won today:shrug:

HarryMan
11-08-2009, 04:52 PM
Novak, congrats on a well deserved win.

Roger is one of the best front runners in the game, however, when you can fight it out, he just doesn't have it in him.

samanosuke
11-08-2009, 04:52 PM
In last 4 matches against Djokovic , Roger realizes only 12/47 bp . Really miserable . Today he did not saved any service game in which he was bp down . Lack of mentality or ... ???

Aenea
11-08-2009, 04:52 PM
Congrats Nole :) 2nd 500 title this fall :) Well done

Rogi :lol: Strategic tank from Rogi. Now he'll complain from "hurting back" and withdraw from Paris :p

habibko
11-08-2009, 04:52 PM
the final set syndrome continues :smash: :(

well done Djokovic, played great in the 3rd set :yeah:

now we know where Fed is right now :rolleyes: be sharper for WTF Roger -__-

timafi
11-08-2009, 04:52 PM
pathetic from Roger:mad:
forehand was a mess and so was the serve:mad:
15 slams to 1

Sophocles
11-08-2009, 04:54 PM
Shit. Good for Djoko though, and that's probably good for the game.

munZe konZa
11-08-2009, 04:54 PM
Swiss judges were cheating left and right and Nole never makes a challenge , where is the swiss neutrality ?

Lee
11-08-2009, 04:55 PM
Usual Federer/Djokovic match. Not of highest quality.

The one with less errors win but :yeah: to Djokovic did not fold after losing the 2nd set and credit to his new trainer.

Michael Bluth
11-08-2009, 04:55 PM
Well, the only thing I can say is I hope this motivates him to do well in Paris and the WTF like the Toronto disaster motivated him to do well in Cincinatti.

rocketassist
11-08-2009, 04:56 PM
Shankerer. :o Should not be losing to Djokovic full stop.

This is why the Slams are now all up for grabs. He was the same shit against Del Potro.

muchu
11-08-2009, 04:57 PM
I'm so happy. Novak seems better lately. his game has improved to be better. Fed stinks.

Foxy
11-08-2009, 04:57 PM
Novak, congrats on a well deserved win.

Roger is one of the best front runners in the game, however, when you can fight it out, he just doesn't have it in him.

I thought there was a thread somewhere here stating rog is the true spartan according to the numbers and statistics. :shrug:

Corey Feldman
11-08-2009, 04:57 PM
lucky week, lucky title Djokovic

as the years go on its becoming apparent Federer's fitness and lack of heart in tight matches, he can only win when he is on top form and crushing opponents (Nole included)

but when he's not on his game, B Game is as bad as someone 278th in the world.. whereas players like Nadal, Nole and Murray are still top10.

betowiec
11-08-2009, 04:57 PM
awesome stuff nOle

Certinfy
11-08-2009, 04:58 PM
Habibko :retard: The guy thought Federer would win this easily :o

Foxy
11-08-2009, 05:00 PM
lucky week, lucky title Djokovic

as the years go on its becoming apparent Federer's fitness and lack of heart in tight matches, he can only win when he is on top form and crushing opponents (Nole included)

but when he's not on his game, B Game is as bad as someone 278th in the world.. whereas players like Nadal, Nole and Murray are still top10.

Congrats on Murray's title, mate! :yeah:
How not to like this kid.

samanosuke
11-08-2009, 05:00 PM
the final set syndrome continues :smash: :(


That definitely is not only a final set syndrome. He continues to lose or he even lost a killer instinct . He can't won many tie breakers as he usually won , his bp realization in big occasions is more and more miserable , he can't save that many bp as he usually do . He problem is more and more deeper ....

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 05:00 PM
Typical crappy Fed/Nole match but at least Novak's on the winning side this time:hatoff:

:yeah: Tangy.

HarryMan
11-08-2009, 05:01 PM
I thought there was a thread somewhere here stating rog is the true spartan according to the numbers and statistics. :shrug:

No, he was never a fighter. His game was good enough to crush his opponents during his prime. Now if you can fight it out, Fed will fold.

lucky week, lucky title Djokovic

as the years go on its becoming apparent Federer's fitness and lack of heart in tight matches, he can only win when he is on top form and crushing opponents (Nole included)

but when he's not on his game, B Game is as bad as someone 278th in the world.. whereas players like Nadal, Nole and Murray are still top10.

So true.

cakedraw
11-08-2009, 05:03 PM
3rd. Dubai, Beijing and now Basel

:smash:

Nole fan
11-08-2009, 05:03 PM
lucky week, lucky title Djokovic

as the years go on its becoming apparent Federer's fitness and lack of heart in tight matches, he can only win when he is on top form and crushing opponents (Nole included)

but when he's not on his game, B Game is as bad as someone 278th in the world.. whereas players like Nadal, Nole and Murray are still top10.

Excuses, excuses... Novak won because he was simply better. Now can you say Fed was playing with mono or some rubbish like that? Fed fans always make excuses for him, no good. And i'm a Fed fan but I don't make excuses for him. He's not unbeatable as we have seen before many times against big players like Nadal or Djoko. Fed always expects to win easy, sometimes he needs to humble down and give it all there... I thought being in front of his home crowd and playing against his major rival Djoko would give him that extra punch... but no. Deserved win by Nole, I'm proud of him.

Start da Game
11-08-2009, 05:04 PM
djokovic played like crap.......i am not happy with his game though it proved to be enough against federer who certainly wasn't at his best either today.......i am not liking djokovic's mental ability either(rather the lack of it).......he choked some million times in the match.......

i still rate his first two victories(montreal and AO) against federer by far his best against the swiss........

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:05 PM
That definitely is not only a final set syndrome. He continues to lose or he even lost a killer instinct . He can't won many tie breakers as he usually won , his bp realization in big occasions is more and more miserable , he can't save that many bp as he usually do . He problem is more and more deeper ....

Yes, but to put it in perspective, it was a real problem six months ago with 13 Slams. With 15 and RG, it's simply the inevitable consequence of getting older and poorer in all departments, hardly a desperate crisis.

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 05:05 PM
Swiss judges were cheating left and right and Nole never makes a challenge , where is the swiss neutrality ?

Second BS from Novak fans.

Jaz
11-08-2009, 05:06 PM
It was horrid.

Roger was completely and totally lost. His forehand went from solid to absolutely fucking atrocious in 1 game.

No need to overreact, looking forward to the AO!

Bascule
11-08-2009, 05:06 PM
lucky week, lucky title Djokovic

as the years go on its becoming apparent Federer's fitness and lack of heart in tight matches, he can only win when he is on top form and crushing opponents (Nole included)

but when he's not on his game, B Game is as bad as someone 278th in the world.. whereas players like Nadal, Nole and Murray are still top10.

now take the plate, frodo boy!:p

tennizen
11-08-2009, 05:06 PM
Spartan week from Nole:rocker2: Stole Fed's favorite title away from him.

habibko
11-08-2009, 05:06 PM
That definitely is not only a final set syndrome. He continues to lose or he even lost a killer instinct . He can't won many tie breakers as he usually won , his bp realization in big occasions is more and more miserable , he can't save that many bp as he usually do . He problem is more and more deeper ....

that's because he is not as good as he used to be and past his peak, so it's only natural this happens.

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2009, 05:06 PM
How can Federer live with a loss like this: losing at his home tournament to an absolute mug without a game, who should've lost both previous matches.

Frauderer is pathetic.

Certinfy
11-08-2009, 05:07 PM
Very weird tournament from Nole.

cakedraw
11-08-2009, 05:07 PM
How can Federer live with a loss like this: losing at his home tournament to an absolute mug without a game, who should've lost both previous matches.

Frauderer is pathetic.

What kind of game are you referring?

star
11-08-2009, 05:07 PM
It was horrid.

Roger was completely and totally lost. His forehand went from solid to absolutely fucking atrocious in 1 game.

No need to overreact, looking forward to the AO!

:hug: :hug:

I'm loving the forehand. :hearts:

Also love the way he went from winning the second set to going two breaks down in the third.

Brick Top
11-08-2009, 05:08 PM
Nole:hatoff:
Federer`s forheand:smash:

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2009, 05:09 PM
What kind of game are you referring?

Game = game.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:09 PM
How can Federer live with a loss like this: losing at his home tournament to an absolute mug without a game, who should've lost both previous matches.

Frauderer is pathetic.

I think he'll survive somehow. Mind you, he might be dwelling on Djokovic's near-escape yesterday almost as much as Stepanek will, it was the fifth time this year that a tournament winner has saved match points en route and only the second time it was a top player (the other being Nadal against Nalbandian in IW).

The epic last game of the first set was really the match in microcosm, Djokovic incredibly nervous but Federer constantly handing him errors; and in fairness, he saved the last couple of breakpoints with a big second serve and a risky forehand to the sideline, so he played just enough good tennis of his own to merit the victory, in addition to the numerous gifts from Federer.

rocketassist
11-08-2009, 05:11 PM
:hug: :hug:

I'm loving the forehand. :hearts:

Also love the way he went from winning the second set to going two breaks down in the third.

You are so bitter you know.

munZe konZa
11-08-2009, 05:11 PM
last game in the 1st set was absolutely crazy, it was 15 deuces at least, this is the most dramatic game this year .

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:12 PM
You are so bitter you know.

Alas poor star, the disintegration happened six months too late. ;)

cakedraw
11-08-2009, 05:12 PM
Game = game.

What is wrong with Nole's game? He might not come up with the smartest decision making, but he has enough power and his shots can be devastating.

star
11-08-2009, 05:12 PM
I think he'll survive somehow. Mind you, he might be dwelling on Djokovic's near-escape yesterday almost as much as Stepanek will, it was the fifth time this year that a tournament winner has saved match points en route and only the second time it was a top player (the other being Nadal against Nalbandian in IW).

The epic last game of the first set was really the match in microcosm, Djokovic incredibly nervous but Federer constantly handing him errors; and in fairness, he saved the last couple of breakpoints with a big second serve and a risky forehand to the sideline, so he played just enough good tennis of his own to merit the victory, in addition to the numerous gifts from Federer.

Not so bad a summation although a bit biased toward Federer. Djokovic gave Federer quite a few gifts as well and Federer had every opportunity to take advantage of them. But, Federer folded in the third.

Myrre
11-08-2009, 05:13 PM
Federer has had too much time off. Forehand is M.I.A. Anyone know the ratio for forehand winners vs forehand unforced errors?

Ad Wim
11-08-2009, 05:13 PM
Yeah yeah yeah! :woohoo:

What a good and important win, Djokovic is actually the best player these last months. The only bad thing is that it's a 500 tournament, why not in Shanghai, Canada/Cincy or especially the US Open :sad:

Bascule
11-08-2009, 05:14 PM
last game in the 1st set was absolutely crazy, it was 15 deuces at least, this is the most dramatic game this year .
7 set points, 5 break points and 9 Federror's forehand errors, as I remember.:eek:

Nidhogg
11-08-2009, 05:14 PM
Amazing scenes as Djoke served out the first set in style. The Fed forehand was just lethal.

As it was obvious the quality of the match had it's peak there, I gave up on the rest.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:15 PM
Not so bad a summation although a bit biased toward Federer. Djokovic gave Federer quite a few gifts as well and Federer had every opportunity to take advantage of them. But, Federer folded in the third.

Well let's put it this way, Djokovic was definitely the less bad of the two out there.

star
11-08-2009, 05:15 PM
You are so bitter you know.

Not at all bitter! I'm thrilled and happy! :bounce: Delighted and over the moon. I'm so happy that Nole won! :dance:

I loved every forehand long and forehand in the net (at least those from Federer :lol: ) and loved Nole's down the line winners and that lovely winner on the second serve and so many things that Nole did better than he had been doing even though, Nole wasn't at all playing up to capacity, imo.

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2009, 05:15 PM
What is wrong with Nole's game? He might not come up with the smartest decision making, but he has enough power and his shots can be devastating.

He doesn't have a game.

Shit shots and pathetic decision making.

FedFan
11-08-2009, 05:17 PM
:hug: :hug:

I'm loving the forehand. :hearts:

Also love the way he went from winning the second set to going two breaks down in the third.

And I love the way Rafa has managed not to win a single set against a top ten player since May 2009.

Surely the sign of a true Spartan. ;)

Forehander
11-08-2009, 05:17 PM
lol tanked it

star
11-08-2009, 05:17 PM
Well let's put it this way, Djokovic was definitely the less bad of the two out there.

I can agree with that! :lol:

I was ready to strangle him in that last game of the first set, and was very relieved that Federer couldn't take advantage of the break points handed him.

rocketassist
11-08-2009, 05:17 PM
Not at all bitter! I'm thrilled and happy! :bounce: Delighted and over the moon. I'm so happy that Nole won! :dance:

I loved every forehand long and forehand in the net (at least those from Federer :lol: ) and loved Nole's down the line winners and that lovely winner on the second serve and so many things that Nole did better than he had been doing even though, Nole wasn't at all playing up to capacity, imo.

No, you are bitter towards Federer, always have been and always will be. That was summed up in your first post mocking Federer and not praising Djokovic, a player you claim to support.

paseo
11-08-2009, 05:17 PM
Fed would've won if the damn net was 20cm lower and the freakin' court 2m longer.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:18 PM
He doesn't have a game.

Shit shots and pathetic decision making.

You know Glenn, sooner or later you're going to have to accept that you're watching a different sport to the rest of us, since none of us appear to be blessed with your unique insight into players' strategy.

A_Skywalker
11-08-2009, 05:18 PM
He doesn't have a game.

Shit shots and pathetic decision making.

Yeah probably that's why he is winning and is in top 4 long time.

I dont like him too, but your arguements are simply stupid.

Outfielder
11-08-2009, 05:18 PM
How can Federer live with a loss like this: losing at his home tournament to an absolute mug without a game, who should've lost both previous matches.

Frauderer is pathetic.

Almost 40.000 posts and still wrote only stupidity... :tape:

star
11-08-2009, 05:19 PM
And I love the way Rafa has managed not to win a single set against a top ten player since May 2009.

Surely the sign of a true Spartan. ;)

:yeah: You know , you are right! I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it. That totally influenced the outcome of this match and certainly takes away from Nole's win.

:worship: You are the tennis savant.

cakedraw
11-08-2009, 05:21 PM
You know Glenn, sooner or later you're going to have to accept that you're watching a different sport to the rest of us, since none of us appear to be blessed with your unique insight into players' strategy.

supporting Gooch and Tsonga, nuff said :tape:

rocketassist
11-08-2009, 05:21 PM
supporting Gooch and Tsonga, nuff said :tape:

Because everyone should support the top four/five, nuff said :tape:

star
11-08-2009, 05:22 PM
No, you are bitter towards Federer, always have been and always will be. That was summed up in your first post mocking Federer and not praising Djokovic, a player you claim to support.

:lol: :lol:

Sorry to have broken you rules of posting. How could I possibly be bitter toward Federer today when he lost to one of my favorite players? He could only have made me happier if he had cried at the trophy presentation. :lol:

cakedraw
11-08-2009, 05:22 PM
Because everyone should support the top four/five, nuff said :tape:

I meant as players that suppose to have some kind of a "game" that Djokovic is missing.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:23 PM
I can well understand Glenn's support for the Sex Machine and the mighty Gooch, I just can't quite fathom why any player who fails to cross the service line during a match must automatically be tactically vacant; there are plenty of 'em around, yes, but Djokovic is smarter than most, the well-placed backhands down the line and the barrage of angles to Federer's backhand today proved it.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:24 PM
:lol: :lol:

Sorry to have broken you rules of posting. How could I possibly be bitter toward Federer today when he lost to one of my favorite players? He could only have made me happier if he had cried at the trophy presentation. :lol:

Beneath that amiable exterior of yours lurks a truly dark soul.

rocketassist
11-08-2009, 05:24 PM
:lol: :lol:

Sorry to have broken you rules of posting. How could I possibly be bitter toward Federer today when he lost to one of my favorite players? He could only have made me happier if he had cried at the trophy presentation. :lol:

You're a Nadal fan bitter that Federer has won 15 Slams and dominated the rankings/tour since 2004.

You are a hata, accept that.

Start da Game
11-08-2009, 05:25 PM
He doesn't have a game.

Shit shots and pathetic decision making.

i can understand your frustration but you are a bit too much after djokovic these days........the guy can play........he is trying but unable to find his old touch.......and i don't like his choking mentality either.......he choked like some 10 thousand times today.......he is also looking at his racket weirdly even after winning some rallies as if those were mishits and he was expecting errors........a re-switch to wilson rackets could solve his problem a little at least i guess........

River
11-08-2009, 05:25 PM
Great win by Nole~

Federer is saving whatever miracles he has left on his forehand. He's gotta show /something/ to his little girls when they get older so they can continue the Evil Empire.

Nole's career is finally picking up.

FedFan
11-08-2009, 05:25 PM
:yeah: You know , you are right! I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it. That totally influenced the outcome of this match and certainly takes away from Nole's win.

:worship: You are the tennis savant.

Not the outcome of the match, but the outcome of the year-end number 1, which Roger will held for the fifth time. ;)

Basel is not as important as the slams.

rocketassist
11-08-2009, 05:26 PM
Federer's B game is a shanky forehand and no backhand.

Nadal, Murray and Djokovic's B game is rally and push. Perhaps Fed needs to start pushing it and junking it if he's off his game. Worked against Del Potro in Paris (but not NY)

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:27 PM
You're a Nadal fan bitter that Federer has won 15 Slams and dominated the rankings/tour since 2004.

You are a hata, accept that.

In fairness to star, I seem to remember her having a certain animus for Federer before Nadal ever appeared on the scene; she even had the temerity to criticise his fashion sense when I mentioned him in early 2003, back in the days when he wore the legendary ponytail and tie-dye shirts.

scoobs
11-08-2009, 05:28 PM
Well done to Nole.

This sort of result is becoming increasingly common - still the feeling that Roger can beat all before him on this sort of a surface if he brings his best to bear, but increasingly he can't seem to do so.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:29 PM
Not the outcome of the match, but the outcome of the year-end number 1, which Roger will held for the fifth time. ;)

Basel is not as important as the slams.

True, but this one would undoubtedly have hurt. If you'd said to me at the start of this year that Federer was going to lose the Australian, US and Basel finals and still have an all-time great season, I'd have been astonished to say the least.

MrChopin
11-08-2009, 05:30 PM
Congrats Novak. Kind of expected, though hoped against. Fed is playing more and more passive as the days roll on. I didn't see this one, but if you compare it to last year's final against Nalbandian, I'd guess you are seeing two different players.

Novak just needs to have patience and wait a few years until Fed and Nadal are burned and gone. Once that happens, he should be rolling in slams compared to now. Definitely the most slam-consistent player aside from those two.

guga2120
11-08-2009, 05:31 PM
Great fight all week by Novak. He deserves the title. It's very good to see the arrogant one lose another final.:)

Dini
11-08-2009, 05:33 PM
I think he was nervous today too. Felt it after the third service game. His forehand wasn't as shanky as much as it was snappy - landing in the net so many times. Djokovic did well to play through that crap and concentrate on his own game. I thought Nole returned the serve really well too. Can't help but feel that Fed wasn't pushed enough in his matches this week and it might have a cost him a bit. Djokovic on the other hand had to fight for it throughout his matches and it gave him confidence that was never there prior.

What Fed needs right now is to go back to basics. Do what he is most comfortable with - that is playing aggressively. He was playing a lot of defensive shite today and Djokovic was pouncing on it. Aggressive play worked in Cincinatti with a shitty first serve percentage, so stick to what you're best with. If that's not got enough against the likes of Djokovic and Murray then too good but at least then he would be in control of his destiny more.

Sapeod
11-08-2009, 05:33 PM
Federer :o :o

Very bad.

Singularity
11-08-2009, 05:34 PM
Well done to Nole.

This sort of result is becoming increasingly common - still the feeling that Roger can beat all before him on this sort of a surface if he brings his best to bear, but increasingly he can't seem to do so.
I just hope Federer can continue to find (something like) his best in the slams.

Commander Data
11-08-2009, 05:34 PM
And I thought Djokovic is gonna be the one that looks flat. tztztztz..
Nole was the better player today.


Congrats to the Serbian Slayers and his fans!

Adri89
11-08-2009, 05:34 PM
Mister ATP 500 stikes again.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:36 PM
I think he was nervous today too. Felt it after the third service game. His forehand wasn't as shanky as much as it was snappy - landing in the net so many times. Djokovic did well to play through that crap and concentrate on his own game. I thought Nole returned the serve really well too. Can't help but feel that Fed wasn't pushed enough in his matches this week and it might have a cost him a bit. Djokovic on the other hand had to fight for it throughout his matches and it gave him confidence that was never there prior.

What Fed needs right now is to go back to basics. Do what he is most comfortable with - that is playing aggressively. He was playing a lot of defensive shite today and Djokovic was pouncing on it. Aggressive play worked in Cincinatti with a shitty first serve percentage, so stick to what you're best with. If that's not got enough against the Djokovic and Murray then too good but at least then he would be in control of his destiny more.

Yes, once the upsets occurred early on in Federer's half I was worried that he wouldn't be tested for the final, his true level was really exposed today by someone who could return his serve well and control the rallies. That garbage slice backhand that just sat up for Djokovic to run round and take on the off-forehand keeping Federer pinned in the backhand corner has got to stop, he has to use it aggressively to get some short angles and draw opponents in.

xargon
11-08-2009, 05:37 PM
Djokovic deserved this win on Fed's home court, and he played tough matches on the way....

batavlada
11-08-2009, 05:44 PM
Anyone knows what they told on ceremony?

Dini
11-08-2009, 05:45 PM
Yes, once the upsets occurred early on in Federer's half I was worried that he wouldn't be tested for the final, his true level was really exposed today by someone who could return his serve well and control the rallies. That garbage slice backhand that just sat up for Djokovic to run round and take on the off-forehand keeping Federer pinned in the backhand corner has got to stop, he has to use it aggressively to get some short angles and draw opponents in.

Agreed. He didn't play a single seeded player and let's face it his serve or strokes weren't going to be tested by guys like return giants Korolev or Seppi. :p But he should expect Djokovic to return big and upset his rhythm. After all they've played each other a lot. He adjusted a bit in the second set at least with his own serve, but then it was back to square 1 in the third for some reason or another. He didn't seem up for the fight and his forehand was still MIA.

I hope he learns from this though and doesn't play the same horrendous passive rubbish. Backhand slice works against the giants most of the time but against Nadal and Djokovic it's fail unless hit very deep and low.

Practice harder, impose your game right from the start of the third, show emotion and never underestimate opponents. I'm not ready to write him off yet.

moon language
11-08-2009, 05:45 PM
Yes, once the upsets occurred early on in Federer's half I was worried that he wouldn't be tested for the final, his true level was really exposed today by someone who could return his serve well and control the rallies. That garbage slice backhand that just sat up for Djokovic to run round and take on the off-forehand keeping Federer pinned in the backhand corner has got to stop, he has to use it aggressively to get some short angles and draw opponents in.

I thought he got in more trouble when he hit his topspin backhand as Djokovic's backhand is better. I think if he went completely Steffi Graf and just sliced every single backhand he'd end up driving players who attack his backhand mad and ultimately be more effective. Djokovic did a good job of handling those slices today but he also had his share of mishits off them. Djokovic doesn't like dealing with that slice as much as he likes grooving off pace.

Corey Feldman
11-08-2009, 05:46 PM
Hardly crushed him :lol:

Pretty terrible from Grandaderer.exactly, and ask yourself why the mods went with that title over Doomach's normal title.

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 05:48 PM
Anyone knows what they told on ceremony?

He's pretty subdued after winning...sad ti zamisli. Verovatno kao u*ran golub.

ArgieFan
11-08-2009, 05:49 PM
Great win Novak, played an excellent third set.

tangerine_dream
11-08-2009, 05:54 PM
Wow. Could Roger and the other "neutral Swiss" have looked more disgusted?

http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=206229&stc=1&d=1257702808

http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=206228&stc=1&d=1257702808

scoobs
11-08-2009, 05:56 PM
I just hope Federer can continue to find (something like) his best in the slams.
And yet rarely even in the slams this year has Roger found his best against quality opposition - He was lucky to get a clearly inhibited Soderling at RG in the final and as for Wimbledon, well even with Roddick playing well, that was only going to end one way - and even then Roger didn't play a great match, in the end he just decided to outlast Roddick in that fifth set. And we know what happened at the Aussie and US Opens in the final.

Dini
11-08-2009, 05:57 PM
Wow Tangy! Showing the whole picture. =)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01Tbg2i4MNgu0/1000x.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0chL3GQedBbkv/1000x.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04gb99OgWx9QN/1000x.jpg

No reason for him to jump up and down after playing his 2nd worst match of the year. But at least he managed to smile. :D Great effort though Tangy gotta hand it to you.

MrChopin
11-08-2009, 05:58 PM
Wow. Could Roger and the other "neutral Swiss" have looked more disgusted?

I suppose they should have been staring at Novak the entire time, smiling and waving?

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 05:58 PM
I thought he got in more trouble when he hit his topspin backhand as Djokovic's backhand is better. I think if he went completely Steffi Graf and just sliced every single backhand he'd end up driving players who attack his backhand mad and ultimately be more effective. Djokovic did a good job of handling those slices today but he also had his share of mishits off them. Djokovic doesn't like dealing with that slice as much as he likes grooving off pace.

But when you're just playing slice to hang in the rallies from behind the baseline it's a losing tactic, he needs to be playing at a high tempo and keeping opponents off balance, and for that he needs a decent topspin backhand to rush them at least some of the time. I've been watching him since 2001, during his peak years of 04-07 he could actually hit it damn well, despite what some people say who've only watched the serve-and-scramble version of the last two years.

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 06:05 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04gb99OgWx9QN/1000x.jpg



Nice picture Nadine...

docking34
11-08-2009, 06:07 PM
hmmmm did fed not live up to his standards or what?

NOVAKSHUGESTFAN
11-08-2009, 06:08 PM
yes! go Novak!!!

star
11-08-2009, 06:09 PM
Beneath that amiable exterior of yours lurks a truly dark soul.

Amiably dark. :lol:

Not the outcome of the match, but the outcome of the year-end number 1, which Roger will held for the fifth time. ;)

Basel is not as important as the slams.

:worship: Again and again you astound me with your deep tennis knowledge. Thanks for letting me know a 500 is not as important as a slam. I might have gone to bed deluded. :hatoff:

In fairness to star, I seem to remember her having a certain animus for Federer before Nadal ever appeared on the scene; she even had the temerity to criticise his fashion sense when I mentioned him in early 2003, back in the days when he wore the legendary ponytail and tie-dye shirts.

True. I've never been a fan. I would say that I was neutral for a time before I tipped over into being anti. :) I think I first saw Federer around 2000 or 2001. So, Nadal had nothing to do with my forming opinions about Federer. He just never found his way into my heart. And then I encountered Federer fans -- :lol: That tipped me. :lol: But, you know, I never cared much for Sampras or Agassi either. Maybe I simply don't like dominant players. Who knows? It's sport. Few people like every player.

Mister ATP 500 stikes again.

:hug: Yes. You can look forward to him losing miserably at Paris. :hug:

MIMIC
11-08-2009, 06:10 PM
YES!!!! :cool:

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 06:14 PM
There was no reason for Djokovic to be discouraged when he lost the second set, the last time the Basel final went the distance was back in 2004, and who won that year? A fellow called Novak....

Oh, and something else I remembered that would have given Djokovic heart before the match - the last man to beat Federer in a final in Switzerland? Also a fellow named Novak....

shotgun
11-08-2009, 06:16 PM
Talk about ruining a party. :lol:

Dini
11-08-2009, 06:16 PM
Nice picture Nadine...

Thanks Misha. And a big congrats to you. :kiss:

Thanks for the rep btw. :p :hug:

Corey Feldman
11-08-2009, 06:16 PM
Oh, and something else I remembered that would have given Djokovic heart before the match - the last man to beat Federer in a final in Switzerland? Also a fellow named Novak....Fed with a very average, for him, record in Finals in his home country now... 4-4 i think?

seems he's not 1 to be inspired by home field advantage.

today was rank rotten and the good vibes from the summer are gone again, we are back to good old 2008 Federer who will blow plenty of semi and finals no doubt.

Swiss Mountain
11-08-2009, 06:16 PM
Give me a break, Rog is 28, it's normal his level of play is getting lower. He appeared tired.

star
11-08-2009, 06:16 PM
Oh, and something else I remembered that would have given Djokovic heart before the match - the last man to beat Federer in a final in Switzerland? Also a fellow named Novak....

Just another reason to love the Serb. :)

I would love him more if he started playing like he did two years ago. :)

Start da Game
11-08-2009, 06:19 PM
But when you're just playing slice to hang in the rallies from behind the baseline it's a losing tactic, he needs to be playing at a high tempo and keeping opponents off balance, and for that he needs a decent topspin backhand to rush them at least some of the time. I've been watching him since 2001, during his peak years of 04-07 he could actually hit it damn well, despite what some people say who've only watched the serve-and-scramble version of the last two years.

another attempt to glorify a great player........how many times more should we hear this 04-07 horse shit? really, if some novice follower of the sport came and read this stuff, he would be bluffed up all ends.......

federer is still playing great.......these days, he is up against more players who can match him from the ground.......his serve and his returning capabilities are what keeping him at the top.......better forget about the 04-07 mug era.......he looked so good back then because he had no real confrontation except nadal who had always owned him.......most of the mugs showed up to the court only to shake hands with him........it's not for nothing that at a time when mugs like davydenko, robredo, gonzalez used to lose to him 8 times, 10 times in a row that djokovic came along and beat him twice in 3 meetings.......

star
11-08-2009, 06:19 PM
Fed with a very average, for him, record in Finals in his home country now... 4-4 i think?

seems he's not 1 to be inspired by home field advantage.

He had trouble notching his first tournament win in Basel, no? I seem to remember that.

I still think that Federer is more likely to be beaten in non-slams. He will be a threat at slams for several years. Even though he loses more now, he still goes deep. I'm not at all ready to write him off.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 06:19 PM
Fed with a very average, for him, record in Finals in his home country now... 4-4 i think?

seems he's not 1 to be inspired by home field advantage.

Yes, but at least he's not one of these top players from a small country who has a mental block in home finals - Rios springs to mind instantly, an 0-4 record in finals in Chile, I believe. In fact reaching those finals in Basel so early on in his career, combined with his strong DC performances when he was still fairly young, show that he's always been a good performer on home soil.

Rita
11-08-2009, 06:21 PM
another attempt to glorify a great player........how many times more should we hear this 04-07 horse shit? really, if some novice follower of the sport came and read this stuff, he would be bluffed up all ends.......

federer is still playing great.......these days, he is up against more players who can match him from the ground.......his serve and his returning capabilities are what keeping him at the top...

I know right?

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 06:22 PM
another attempt to glorify a great player........how many times more should we hear this 04-07 horse shit? really, if some novice follower of the sport came and read this stuff, he would be bluffed up all ends.......

federer is still playing great.......these days, he is up against more players who can match him from the ground.......his serve and his returning capabilities are what keeping him at the top.......better forget about the 04-07 mug era.......he looked so good back then because he had no real confrontation except nadal who had always owned him.......it's not for nothing that at a time when mugs like davydenko, robredo, gonzalez used to lose to him 8 times, 10 times in a row that djokovic came along and beat him twice in 3 meetings.......

No need to be so vehement, it's blatantly obvious that Federer is a poorer player than he was a couple of years ago AND the opposition is tougher for him, it's a combination of both. If you seriously think he played like he did today back in 06-07, you should watch more of his matches.

MIMIC
11-08-2009, 06:22 PM
Newsflash: Roger to accept a wildcard into the 2010 Serbia Open. :p


:haha: :haha: :yeah:

star
11-08-2009, 06:24 PM
another attempt to glorify a great player........how many times more should we hear this 04-07 horse shit? really, if some novice follower of the sport came and read this stuff, he would be bluffed up all ends.......

federer is still playing great.......these days, he is up against more players who can match him from the ground.......his serve and his returning capabilities are what keeping him at the top.......better forget about the 04-07 mug era.......he looked so good back then because he had no real confrontation except nadal who had always owned him.......most of the mugs showed up to the court only to shake hands with him........it's not for nothing that at a time when mugs like davydenko, robredo, gonzalez used to lose to him 8 times, 10 times in a row that djokovic came along and beat him twice in 3 meetings.......

It seems obvious to me that Federer's game has declined. He's had a weakness on the backhand always, but he could cover that against most players by dominating with his forehand and running around that backhand. Now it's more difficult for him. Yes, some has to do with ambitious players coming along who have challenged him tactically, but it also has something to do with age and concentration and hunger. That's just my opinion.

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 06:27 PM
^^^ my fellow countryman;)

MIMIC
11-08-2009, 06:27 PM
15 slams to 1

1 Embarrassment in hometown to 0

:p

star
11-08-2009, 06:29 PM
:hug: Fellow.

Dini
11-08-2009, 06:30 PM
1 Embarrassment in hometown to 0

:p

I know which stat Novak would choose out of the two. ;)

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 06:32 PM
:hug: Fellow.

Hey fellow, PM in a minute. This fellow thing is not just for love:angel:

Noleta
11-08-2009, 06:36 PM
Lol never thought i'll see this scoreline in favor of Nole:eek:Looks like it was yet another bad Fed-Djoko match,not a surprise really:shrug:

Nole:yeah:
Fed:hug:
Habibko:hug::p

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 06:37 PM
Lol never thought i'll see this scoreline in favor of Nole:eek:Looks like it was yet another bad Fed-Djoko match,not a surprise really:shrug:

Nole:yeah:
Fed:hug:
Habibko:hug::p

:yeah::worship:

acionescu
11-08-2009, 06:38 PM
You are so bitter you know.

No, she's just honest :shrug:

And I love the way Rafa has managed not to win a single set against a top ten player since May 2009.



Fair enough but nothing to do with the subject of this thread :hug:


Sorry to have broken you rules of posting. How could I possibly be bitter toward Federer today when he lost to one of my favorite players? He could only have made me happier if he had cried at the trophy presentation. :lol:

Nep, you know he gives his all only in Slams now days :D. Although he did his share in Basel if I remember correctly few years ago against Henman. You should ask his Scottish adoring No.1 fan, he knows the details, he was a fan of Henman too :p

Wow. Could Roger and the other "neutral Swiss" have looked more disgusted?

http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=206229&stc=1&d=1257702808

http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=206228&stc=1&d=1257702808

Yes, they could. There was another official guy, a bald one who looked utterly disgusted :rolls:

About the match, I was forced to root for Nole for TT purposes :o and it wasn't a nice feeling :( But Nole played great and Fed was at his very muggish best :o and while behind he lost it completely, tirade with the umpire included.... :rolls:

Start da Game
11-08-2009, 06:39 PM
It seems obvious to me that Federer's game has declined. He's had a weakness on the backhand always, but he could cover that against most players by dominating with his forehand and running around that backhand. Now it's more difficult for him. Yes, some has to do with ambitious players coming along who have challenged him tactically, but it also has something to do with age and concentration and hunger. That's just my opinion.

any great player's game will take a dip as time passes on but some of his fans sound like he was unbeatable during 04-07 and now is 5% of what he was then.......din't murray and djokovic beat him in 2006 and 2007? nadal has been beating him since 2004.......

his backhand has always been weak and he never brought in any significant changes to it.......it proved to be enough against one dimensional mugs of 03-06 but these current players will rip it apart.......

munZe konZa
11-08-2009, 06:40 PM
No need to be so vehement, it's blatantly obvious that Federer is a poorer player than he was a couple of years ago AND the opposition is tougher for him, it's a combination of both. If you seriously think he played like he did today back in 06-07, you should watch more of his matches.

Federererer was the best player in the universe when Nole was 19 years old, think about it :o

Jade Fox
11-08-2009, 06:40 PM
tirade with the umpire included.... :rolls:

Okay I was watching this on livestream and at one point I switched over to see some of the Valencia final. I clearly missed this. What did he say?

star
11-08-2009, 06:41 PM
No reason for him to jump up and down after playing his 2nd worst match of the year. But at least he managed to smile. :D Great effort though Tangy gotta hand it to you.

When the crowd was applauding for him, he smiled. :) :)

No smiles when Djoko hoisted the trophy in victory. In fact he could barely even watch it.

Ah well, Federer is getting more practice at missing the coronations.

Dini
11-08-2009, 06:43 PM
When the crowd was applauding for him, he smiled. :) :)

No smiles when Djoko hoisted the trophy in victory. In fact he could barely even watch it.

Ah well, Federer is getting more practice at missing the coronations.

Why should he smile? :scratch: No player is happy to lose. Is he supposed to bounce up and down and bow down to Djokovic? I don't get it.

That's what I call nitpicking.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 06:43 PM
Federererer was the best player in the universe when Nole was 19 years old, think about it :o

And since he hit his prime Djokovic has beaten Federer time after time at Grand Slams, as opposed to losing 3 out of 4? Oh wait...

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 06:44 PM
Why should he smile? :scratch: No player is happy to lose. Is he supposed to bounce up and down and bow down to Djokovic? I don't get it.

You should give star's opinions on Federer about as much attention as fellow geniuses like Black Adam, sawan, R=FK, etc. ;)

Dini
11-08-2009, 06:45 PM
You should give star's opinions on Federer about as much attention as fellow geniuses like Black Adam, sawan, R=FK, etc. ;)

OK I see what you mean. :lol:

star
11-08-2009, 06:46 PM
any great player's game will take a dip as time passes on but some of his fans sound like he was unbeatable during 04-07 and now is 5% of what he was then.......din't murray and djokovic beat him in 2006 and 2007? nadal has been beating him since 2004.......

his backhand has always been weak and he never brought in any significant changes to it.......it proved to be enough against one dimensional mugs of 03-06 but these current players will rip it apart.......

Yes, I know how irritating Fed fans can be. :lol: I think Federer's arc is similar to that of Sampras. Sampras had a killer game and a confidence that made his opponents crumble when perhaps they shouldn't, but as age came along, his weaknesses became more exposed. Truth is that players always have to improve a little all the time to avoid being beaten. Staying at the same level will lead to defeat. Going off one's game by 5% or 10% is very bad.

karadjordje
11-08-2009, 06:50 PM
Ha,ha Novak you are a legend, crushing swiss crybaby at his backyard priceless.

~Maya~
11-08-2009, 06:51 PM
Crappy match, but

Nole :yeah: :woohoo:

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 06:51 PM
any great player's game will take a dip as time passes on but some of his fans sound like he was unbeatable during 04-07 and now is 5% of what he was then.......din't murray and djokovic beat him in 2006 and 2007? nadal has been beating him since 2004.......

his backhand has always been weak and he never brought in any significant changes to it.......it proved to be enough against one dimensional mugs of 03-06 but these current players will rip it apart.......

I don't think I implied that he was unbeatable in that period, in fact when he won his first title here three years ago he had to come through an epic 16-14 tiebreak against Ferrer and then barely squeaked past an inspired Srichaphan 7-6 in the third, getting a rather lucky call on the way.

As far as the backhand goes, if you saw him play early in his career then it's obvious that he improved it, he would never have been able to beat Hewitt, Agassi, Nalbandian et al without strengthening the topspin drive. In particular his consistency in the claycourt season of 2006 was largely due to his improved backhand, that's why he made the finals of every clay event he played and pushed Nadal so close in those MC and Rome matches. To be honest it's the forehand that's deteriorated more than the backhand, it's certainly his more erratic side nowadays.

star
11-08-2009, 06:52 PM
Why should he smile? :scratch: No player is happy to lose. Is he supposed to bounce up and down and bow down to Djokovic? I don't get it.

That's what I call nitpicking.

He doesn't have to smile. I was just countering what the other guy said about him smiling. He doesn't have to bounce up and down and bow down to Djokovic. I didn't even intimate that he should. Fed's pretty much a sore loser, and I know his fans accept that and some even admire it. It's also fair not to admire it and point it out.

Mechlan
11-08-2009, 06:54 PM
I don't think I implied that he was unbeatable in that period, in fact when he won his first title here three years ago he had to come through an epic 16-14 tiebreak against Ferrer and then barely squeaked past an inspired Srichaphan 7-6 in the third, getting a rather lucky call on the way.

As far as the backhand goes, if you saw him play early in his career then it's obvious that he improved it, he would never have been able to beat Hewitt, Agassi, Nalbandian et al without strengthening the topspin drive. In particular his consistency in the claycourt season of 2006 was largely due to his improved backhand, that's why he made the finals of every clay event he played and pushed Nadal so close in those MC and Rome matches.

Your comments are too sensible and probably wasted here.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 06:55 PM
Maybe, but I haven't got into a decent blarney on MTF in a long time, so I might as well give it a go.

Noleta
11-08-2009, 06:57 PM
Why should he smile? :scratch: No player is happy to lose. Is he supposed to bounce up and down and bow down to Djokovic? I don't get it.

That's what I call nitpicking.

Is it too much to ask?:p

Mechlan
11-08-2009, 06:59 PM
Maybe, but I haven't got into a decent blarney on MTF in a long time, so I might as well give it a go.

Well the nice thing about MTF is someone's always ready to give you that opportunity. :p

Start da Game
11-08-2009, 07:03 PM
I don't think I implied that he was unbeatable in that period, in fact when he won his first title here three years ago he had to come through an epic 16-14 tiebreak against Ferrer and then barely squeaked past an inspired Srichaphan 7-6 in the third, getting a rather lucky call on the way.

As far as the backhand goes, if you saw him play early in his career then it's obvious that he improved it, he would never have been able to beat Hewitt, Agassi, Nalbandian et al without strengthening the topspin drive. In particular his consistency in the claycourt season of 2006 was largely due to his improved backhand, that's why he made the finals of every clay event he played and pushed Nadal so close in those MC and Rome matches. To be honest it's the forehand that's deteriorated more than the backhand, it's certainly his more erratic side nowadays.

hewitt would offer dull balls as resistance, agassi was already finished, nalbandian was a mental moron.......the point is, he did not bring in major changes to his game after 2005 because he was winning with what he had.......better players came along and exposed it......

if we go by what you say, i don't think we would have witnessed a slam final like the us open 2009 final.......

karadjordje
11-08-2009, 07:08 PM
He doesn't have a game.

Shit shots and pathetic decision making.

And still wins against swiss crybaby good one you mate.:worship:

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 07:11 PM
hewitt would offer dull balls as resistance, agassi was already finished, nalbandian was a mental moron.......the point is, he did not bring in major changes to his game after 2005 because he was winning with what he had.......better players came along and exposed it......

if we go by what you say, i don't think we would have witnessed a slam final like the us open 2009 final.......

Ah, so now it's after 2005 that he made no changes, not 2003? Still wrong anyway, as Roche made more changes to his game like strengthening the backhand, getting more spin and control on the forehand, improving the first serve percentage (during 05 and 06 he often hit three-quarter pace first serves followed by a winning forehand, now he relies far more on hitting outright serve winners because his second shot in a rally is nowhere near as lethal). In fact Federer dropped Roche during the clay season of 2007 because he felt he was trying to change his game too much and depart from his strength, which was to stay aggressive. Those tactics worked perfectly in Cincinnati against Murray and Djokovic, and appropriate that you should mention the US Open final since it was Federer's utter lack of strategy against Del Potro from the end of the second set onwards that cost him the match, trying to outrally him without using the angles and slow balls to get him off balance.

Federer's last match of 2006 was against Blake in the TMC final and he produced his greatest ever backhand performance, because his backhand had been peppered all week by Nalbandian's sharp angles, Roddick's huge kick serves and Nadal's topspin and it had got a lot stronger as a result. Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro have all improved because they had to improve to challenge Federer, that doesn't mean Federer's level hasn't dipped in turn because it happens to EVERY player sooner or later. This is how the balance of power shifts at the top in tennis, it happened in previous decades too, so we're hardly claiming some special exemption for Federer to excuse every defeat.

acionescu
11-08-2009, 07:12 PM
Okay I was watching this on livestream and at one point I switched over to see some of the Valencia final. I clearly missed this. What did he say?

I didn't hear it because someone was yelling itsy-bitsy spider in my ear in the same time :o He was sitting in his chair and he had the same disgusted face as in USO and changed a few rather heated words with Lars Graff. Did I mention he was 0-4 down? :D

Matt01
11-08-2009, 07:12 PM
Congrats, Djoker :hatoff:

Roger :bigwave:


You're a Nadal fan bitter that Federer has won 15 Slams and dominated the rankings/tour since 2004.



Maybe you missed it but Federer's "domination" has ended already years ago. He's getting beaten left and right nowadays by players like Murray, Nadal and (like today) Djokovic :lol:

Jade Fox
11-08-2009, 07:13 PM
I didn't hear it because someone was yelling itsy-bitsy spider in my ear in the same time :o He was sitting and he had the same disgusted face as in USO and changed a few rather heated words with Lars Graff. Did I mention he was 0-4 down? :D

Okay from this point on, if Roger gets bitchy with umpires, I'm just taking that as a bad, bad, sign. :lol:

Jimnik
11-08-2009, 07:16 PM
Well done Djoker. :yeah:

Feder hasn't lost in Switzerland in over 6 years.

Start da Game
11-08-2009, 07:19 PM
Ah, so now it's after 2005 that he made no changes, not 2003? Still wrong anyway, as Roche made more changes to his game like strengthening the backhand, getting more spin and control on the forehand, improving the first serve percentage (during 05 and 06 he often hit three-quarter pace first serves followed by a winning forehand, now he relies far more on hitting outright serve winners because his second shot in a rally is nowhere near as lethal). In fact Federer dropped Roche during the clay season of 2007 because he felt he was trying to change his game too much and depart from his strength, which was to stay aggressive. Those tactics worked perfectly in Cincinnati against Murray and Djokovic, and appropriate that you should mention the US Open final since it was Federer's utter lack of strategy against Del Potro from the end of the second set onwards that cost him the match, trying to outrally him without using the angles and slow balls to get him off balance.

Federer's last match of 2006 was against Blake in the TMC final and he produced his greatest ever backhand performance, because his backhand had been peppered all week by Nalbandian's sharp angles, Roddick's huge kick serves and Nadal's topspin and it had got a lot stronger as a result. Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro have all improved because they had to improve to challenge Federer, that doesn't mean Federer's level hasn't dipped in turn because it happens to EVERY player sooner or later. This is how the balance of power shifts at the top in tennis, it happened in previous decades too, so we're hardly claiming some special exemption for Federer to excuse every defeat.

he did all those even in 2004........by the midst of 2004, he had already developed a good drive backhand and that was it for his backhand.......he had always had problems with it because he lacks power off that wing.......even today, he tends to slice it a lot.......

just watch his australian open and wimbledon 2004 matches.......he did all the things that you described in the post.......the only major improvement has been the serve.......he is now serving better than ever.......

A_Skywalker
11-08-2009, 07:22 PM
Okay from this point on, if Roger gets bitchy with umpires, I'm just taking that as a bad, bad, sign. :lol:

hes just a loser, Roger.

iriraz
11-08-2009, 07:26 PM
For Djokovic to win the match i believe winning that 24 minute last game of the first set was key.Loosing that game would have been tough to take for him so in this match where both players struggled getting a few lucky breaks here and there were the deciding factor

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 07:26 PM
he did all those even in 2004........by the midst of 2004, he had already developed a good drive backhand and that was it for his backhand.......he had always had problems with it because he lacks power off that wing.......even today, he tends to slice it a lot.......

just watch his australian open and wimbledon 2004 matches.......he did all the things that you described in the post.......the only major improvement has been the serve.......he is now serving better than ever.......

I don't think so somehow, I saw Federer outrallying Agassi and Nalbandian on the backhand side in 05 and 06 respectively, that wouldn't have been possible in 2004; in fact I recall his IW match with Agassi where virtually every time he tried to hit through his backhand it resulted in an error. It's no coincidence to me that he had several very close encounters with Agassi at the 2003 TMC, then in IW, then at the US Open in those absurdly windy conditions, before beating him a lot more easily in early 2005 at tournaments like the Australian Open and Miami, Agassi's favourite events where he dominated in the past.

He also had a lot of improvement to make on clay, in hindsight it was obvious that Guga would outclass him on the backhand side during their RG encounter, but even then he was slipping all over the place because he couldn't seem to handle the footing on Chatrier. Producing consistent performances at the French was something else he had to develop after essentially wasting three prime years of his career there from 02-04.

ZakMcCrack
11-08-2009, 07:40 PM
No, he was never a fighter. His game was good enough to crush his opponents during his prime. Now if you can fight it out, Fed will fold.



So true.

No need to be ignorant, Federer has also had very tough matches in Basel even during his prime - Srichaphan was very much at eye level anno 2006 and Fed had to battle his way to victory back then. Today he was just not playing well enough to make combative spirit a deciding factor concerning the outcome of the match.

star
11-08-2009, 08:01 PM
I don't think so somehow, I saw Federer outrallying Agassi and Nalbandian on the backhand side in 05 and 06 respectively, that wouldn't have been possible in 2004; in fact I recall his IW match with Agassi where virtually every time he tried to hit through his backhand it resulted in an error. It's no coincidence to me that he had several very close encounters with Agassi at the 2003 TMC, then in IW, then at the US Open in those absurdly windy conditions, before beating him a lot more easily in early 2005 at tournaments like the Australian Open and Miami, Agassi's favourite events where he dominated in the past.

He also had a lot of improvement to make on clay, in hindsight it was obvious that Guga would outclass him on the backhand side during their RG encounter, but even then he was slipping all over the place because he couldn't seem to handle the footing on Chatrier. Producing consistent performances at the French was something else he had to develop after essentially wasting three prime years of his career there from 02-04.

You should factor in that Agassi was declining while Federer was improving during that time.

Also, Guga, though not the player he once was because of his hip injury, was a player who could get to Federer's backhand and hurt Federer. He beat Federer at IW in 2003. It was the inability of the rest of the field (save Nalbandian) at the time to take advantage of Federer's weaknesses that helped Federer's record.

Also it wasn't as you paint it that Federer was helpless on clay early in his career. At age 18 he made it to the quarterfinals of RG and lost first round at Wimbledon. He won Hamburg in 2002. He won in Munich on clay in 2003 and got to the final of Rome that year as well.

Sjengster
11-08-2009, 08:05 PM
I didn't suggest that he was helpless, but that he had a lot of improving to do; those first round defeats at RG and Wimbledon occurred back to back in 2002, then it happened again at the French in 2003, during which time he was perfectly capable of performing well on clay in best of three but always flopped in Paris. That was largely mental, but partly technical too.

star
11-08-2009, 08:16 PM
I didn't suggest that he was helpless, but that he had a lot of improving to do; those first round defeats at RG and Wimbledon occurred back to back in 2002, then it happened again at the French in 2003, during which time he was perfectly capable of performing well on clay in best of three but always flopped in Paris. That was largely mental, but partly technical too.

Probably he overplayed a bit in 2002 leading up to Wimbledon. He got the the semis at Halle and then the quarters at 's-Hertogenbosh. He didn't make that mistake again.

I would say that he improved on clay, but he improved overall in 2003, not just on clay. Probably it was as he said at the time more of gaining confidence in himself and his game than an actual improvement. If you recall at the time, he said over and over that the only thing lacking was self confidence.

Juli_V
11-08-2009, 09:10 PM
I'm so happy for Noleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D

jcempire
11-08-2009, 09:15 PM
D-Joker

What a good JOB gets done

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 09:19 PM
Federer, whose previous loss in Basel came in the second round in 2003, was gracious in defeat.

"It's disappointing to lose a final at home," he said. "I tried hard, I was just outplayed.
"I was always down in the score and every time I got a momentum shift he would break me again. I could never get any momentum. Things did not go my way at all today.
"There are no excuses. Novak played tough and saved a ton of break points. I needed to play much better on attack."

Link (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12110_5683335,00.html)

http://i37.tinypic.com/hvdses.png

Noleta
11-08-2009, 09:22 PM
Roger said that?:eek:NO WAYhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0053.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-msn-smileys.php)

Lee
11-08-2009, 09:24 PM
Federer, whose previous loss in Basel came in the second round in 2003, was gracious in defeat.

"It's disappointing to lose a final at home," he said. "I tried hard, I was just outplayed.
"I was always down in the score and every time I got a momentum shift he would break me again. I could never get any momentum. Things did not go my way at all today.
"There are no excuses. Novak played tough and saved a ton of break points. I needed to play much better on attack."

Link (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12110_5683335,00.html)

http://i37.tinypic.com/hvdses.png

Sounds like Roger, Rafa and Nole are all schooled by the same person in interview. :p

star
11-08-2009, 09:28 PM
Sounds like Roger, Rafa and Nole are all schooled by the same person in interview. :p

Well, for sure Rafa and Nole. Don't they share a PR person?

Okonsky
11-08-2009, 09:29 PM
Well, for sure Rafa and Nole. Don't they share a PR person?

Still do as far as I know. Surprising for Roger but it's never too late:p

habibko
11-08-2009, 09:33 PM
better forget about the 04-07 mug era.......he looked so good back then because he had no real confrontation except nadal who had always owned him

expected bullshit from you.

Federer/Nadal H2H in 04/07 era:

hard: Federer leads 3-2

grass: Federer leads 2-0

clay: Nadal leads 6-1

the only place he "owned" him was on clay, where he owned everyone else anyway.

and the other chunk of bullshit about Fed being no different from 04/07 and the difference is only the level of players is NID from Nadaltards.

n8
11-08-2009, 09:40 PM
Djokovic is the king of ATP500s! He's won Beijing, Dubai and now Basel and never lost.

Rita
11-08-2009, 09:42 PM
expected bullshit from you.

Federer/Nadal H2H in 04/07 era:

hard: Federer leads 3-2

grass: Federer leads 2-0

clay: Nadal leads 5-1

the only place he "owned" him was on clay, where he owned everyone else anyway.

and the other chunk of bullshit about Fed being no different from 04/07 and the difference is only the level of players is NID from Nadaltards.

who are the other Nadal fans who said this in this thread :confused:

Foxy
11-08-2009, 09:50 PM
expected bullshit from you.

Federer/Nadal H2H in 04/07 era:

hard: Federer leads 3-2

grass: Federer leads 2-0

clay: Nadal leads 5-1

the only place he "owned" him was on clay, where he owned everyone else anyway.

and the other chunk of bullshit about Fed being no different from 04/07 and the difference is only the level of players is NID from Nadaltards.

Hey, mug, by your calculation it appears H2H at that time was only 7:6 in favor of Rafa. Who let you pass the maths exam? Or how match did you pay for not having a F?

habibko
11-08-2009, 09:50 PM
who are the other Nadal fans who said this in this thread :confused:

not in this thread.

habibko
11-08-2009, 09:55 PM
Hey, mug, by your calculation it appears H2H at that time was only 7:6 in favor of Rafa. Who let you pass the maths exam? Or how match did you pay for not having a F?

there you go Rita.

not as "match" as you payed for your English lessons.

Lee
11-08-2009, 09:56 PM
:topic: :p

Amber Spyglass
11-08-2009, 09:57 PM
Djokovic is the king of ATP500s! He's won Beijing, Dubai and now Basel and never lost.

500 not out this year(to say it in cricketing terms :D)

star
11-08-2009, 10:01 PM
and the other chunk of bullshit about Fed being no different from 04/07 and the difference is only the level of players is NID from Nadaltards.

Only one poster in this thread said that, and I don't think he is a Nadal fan particularly. Maybe so.

Federer is not enormously different than in his glory years. There are some ways in which he has improved. I think his serve now is far better than it was in 2004. He's improved his backhand too or at least added to it. It is like this with every great champion. They improve, but the trajectory of improvement is not as steep as it is with the oncoming younger challengers. The part I see as declining is the concentration and the desire. These things happen with time and with success. Also there is a touch of slowing of his step. Maybe a quarter of a step. Small things make a huge difference when playing at the top level. Federer is always a threat to make the final in any format, but, imo, a bigger threat for the title in a GS format.

batavlada
11-08-2009, 10:03 PM
Last game of first set - 24 minutes.

Bascule
11-08-2009, 10:04 PM
As I remember, in all finales (15, right?) when Novak got the first set, he usually won that match too. The good tradition goes on and on...so, the key was in winning the first set again. http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/animated/anim_19.gif

Lee
11-08-2009, 10:04 PM
Only one poster in this thread said that, and I don't think he is a Nadal fan particularly. Maybe so.

Federer is not enormously different than in his glory years. There are some ways in which he has improved. I think his serve now is far better than it was in 2004. He's improved his backhand too or at least added to it. It is like this with every great champion. They improve, but the trajectory of improvement is not as steep as it is with the oncoming younger challengers. The part I see as declining is the concentration and the desire. These things happen with time and with success. Also there is a touch of slowing of his step. Maybe a quarter of a step. Small things make a huge difference when playing at the top level. Federer is always a threat to make the final in any format, but, imo, a bigger threat for the title in a GS format.

Same for all previous GOATs The motivation is always there in GS no matter the age and even though it's best of 5 in GS, the day rest in-between matches makes it easier for older player.

Noleta
11-08-2009, 10:05 PM
Last game of first set - 24 minutes.

:eek::eek::eek:

Lee
11-08-2009, 10:07 PM
Last game of first set - 24 minutes.

officially it's 22 minutes whereas the first set is 50 minutes.

batavlada
11-08-2009, 10:09 PM
ceremony

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Montego
11-08-2009, 10:09 PM
This is an awesome win for Djoko and his confidence.

What a week for him !!!!

Twice won after saving matchpoints, a double bagel and a win over Federer in final in Basel !!!

I want to see a Djokovic like that more often.

Kudos for Fedaddy as well, I am reading here that he was a Federror and not Ninja today. Well, it happens.... He is still the best.

habibko
11-08-2009, 10:12 PM
Only one poster in this thread said that, and I don't think he is a Nadal fan particularly. Maybe so.

Federer is not enormously different than in his glory years. There are some ways in which he has improved. I think his serve now is far better than it was in 2004. He's improved his backhand too or at least added to it. It is like this with every great champion. They improve, but the trajectory of improvement is not as steep as it is with the oncoming younger challengers. The part I see as declining is the concentration and the desire. These things happen with time and with success. Also there is a touch of slowing of his step. Maybe a quarter of a step. Small things make a huge difference when playing at the top level. Federer is always a threat to make the final in any format, but, imo, a bigger threat for the title in a GS format.

the biggest and most important differences are speed, footwork and power, it's clearly visible to anyone who watched Federer back in those years, and those are basic element of anyone's game and affect everything else and all the player's strokes.

add to that his inability to play at a high standard of tennis for long periods during a match or day in-day out like he used to do, which is down to - but not only to - the things you mentioned on concentration and motivation.

he probably isn't "enormously" different, but the difference isn't small either, and it will only go downhill fron now on.

Jaz
11-08-2009, 10:13 PM
This is an awesome win for Djoko and his confidence.

What a week for him !!!!

Twice won after saving matchpoints, a double bagel and a win over Federer in final in Basel !!!

I want to see a Djokovic like that more often.

Kudos for Fedaddy as well, I am reading here that he was a Federror and not Ninja today. Well, it happens.... He is still the best.

It was only awesome for the first 5 games, then Djoker was not playing too well. What's worse is that FedError was worse than Federror, there were times when the forehand was such a liability.... Jesus

star
11-08-2009, 10:13 PM
Same for all previous GOATs The motivation is always there in GS no matter the age and even though it's best of 5 in GS, the day rest in-between matches makes it easier for older player.

The format favors the older champions -- or at least evens things out against their younger opponents.

star
11-08-2009, 10:14 PM
Same for all previous GOATs The motivation is always there in GS no matter the age and even though it's best of 5 in GS, the day rest in-between matches makes it easier for older player.

I think he forgot to count one of Rafa's clay wins in that period. I could be wrong though.

malisha
11-08-2009, 10:15 PM
congrats Djoko

Jaz
11-08-2009, 10:16 PM
the biggest and most important differences are speed, footwork and power, it's clearly visible to anyone who watched Federer back in those years, and those are basic element of anyone's game and affect everything else and all the player's strokes.

add to that his inability to play at a high standard of tennis for long periods during a match or day in-day out like he used to do, which is down to - but not only to - the things you mentioned on concentration and motivation.

he probably isn't "enormously" different, but the difference isn't small either, and it will only go downhill fron now on.

You're completely overreacting. He simply doesn't need to play his best in these tournaments, he's just come back off a massively long rest and imo, he did well in this tournament. Roger always needs a consistent, good run. The time of "play and win" are well past him, and he knows it, that's why he has so many "warm up" tournament before the grandslams now.

star
11-08-2009, 10:17 PM
the biggest and most important differences are speed, footwork and power, it's clearly visible to anyone who watched Federer back in those years, and those are basic element of anyone's game and affect everything else and all the player's strokes.

add to that his inability to play at a high standard of tennis for long periods during a match or day in-day out like he used to do, which is down to - but not only to - the things you mentioned on concentration and motivation.

he probably isn't "enormously" different, but the difference isn't small either, and it will only go downhill fron now on.

I think he still has a lot of power. I think the speed of the challengers neutralizes it more than one was used to seeing some years ago. Nadal always was able to blaze the court to neutralize the power. Before chicken pox, Hewitt also had the speed to run down cannon shots from Fed.

But, your mouth in god's ear. I don't count out a champion until he no longer plays.

habibko
11-08-2009, 10:18 PM
You're completely overreacting. He simply doesn't need to play his best in these tournaments, he's just come back off a massively long rest and imo, he did well in this tournament. Roger always needs a consistent, good run. The time of "play and win" are well past him, and he knows it, that's why he has so many "warm up" tournament before the grandslams now.

you are one to talk about overreacting, Mr. "Federer should retire for his fans".

star
11-08-2009, 10:20 PM
You're completely overreacting. He simply doesn't need to play his best in these tournaments, he's just come back off a massively long rest and imo, he did well in this tournament. Roger always needs a consistent, good run. The time of "play and win" are well past him, and he knows it, that's why he has so many "warm up" tournament before the grandslams now.

Seriously, do you see him playing more warm up tournaments before GS now? His schedule seems much the same to me. In fact, this year he dropped Halle. Other than that, his pre GS schedule seems the same, but you probably follow it more closely than I.

Oh, I remember he added that exhibition at the beginning of the year, but I thought that was for money and loyalty to the Dubai folks. He's got some kind of deal with them, I think. And then, did he substitute that for the Melbourne exho? I think so.

sawan66278
11-08-2009, 10:21 PM
I don't know...to me, the match had some very high quality rallies and shot making. Again, when the points don't end with winners...and players miss shots after rallies of over 10-15 shot, haters claim the match was poor.

I thought both men played pretty well...and why Novak won was because he took Federer's pace time and time again...and brought it back with more pace or incredible retrieving. Novak was VERY mentally strong today...and facing Fed's home crowd, he made the man look second rate.

Why Federer did not come to the net more is beyond me...or use the drop shot. Still, Novak earned the victory...and full credit is due.

Could have done without the "obligatory" Djokovic injury time-out/massage to recover from the long last game of the first set. What can you say? The man has made strides with respect to sportsmanship, but is still not completely above gamesmanship.

Watch out for Novak in 2010...his forehand is looking better than it has all year.

Federer? Looked like the pre-Roland Garros Fed...and appeared to not be too upset about it.

Jaz
11-08-2009, 10:28 PM
I thought both men played pretty well...

Lol. No need to read further.

@habibko: ad hominem much?

habibko
11-08-2009, 10:35 PM
Sawan, Djokovic played extremely well in the 3rd set, and tense/crappy for the rest of it, Federer started the match strongly but since he got broken he never got his shit together for the rest of it.

so no both players didn't play pretty well.

Lol. No need to read further.

@habibko: ad hominem much?

nope, just a classical case of "he who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones".

Sunset of Age
11-08-2009, 10:36 PM
I don't know...to me, the match had some very high quality rallies and shot making. Again, when the points don't end with winners...and players miss shots after rallies of over 10-15 shot, haters claim the match was poor.

You think a match with one guy netting easy balls some 1000+ times (in case he didn't send them long or wide) and the other fellow DF'ing and UE'ing to hand over a complete set to the opponent is a very high quality one? :o
As for those rallies, there barely were any. :shrug:

And no, I'm not a hater.

sawan66278
11-08-2009, 10:43 PM
Again, poor matches, in my opinion, are when players can't keep the ball in play. Time and time again, Novak FORCED Roger to mistime his shots. To me, those who didn't want Novak to win...are again trying to rationalize their "hero's" loss. Pathetic loss, I might add...playing at home.

Lee
11-08-2009, 10:45 PM
Again, poor matches, in my opinion, are when players can't keep the ball in play. Time and time again, Novak FORCED Roger to mistime his shots. To me, those who didn't want Novak to win...are again trying to rationalize their "hero's" loss. Pathetic loss, I might add...playing at home.

Most of the Djokovic fans watching the match live and talking in his forum also said it's not a good match. Djokovic was not playing his best but Federer was worse.

Sunset of Age
11-08-2009, 10:46 PM
Most of the Djokovic fans watching the match live and talking in his forum also said it's not a good match. Djokovic was not playing his best but Federer was worse.

Exactly. The less crappy player won today. Keep in mind that that doesn't make Djokovic' victory any less deserved.

Lee
11-08-2009, 10:51 PM
Exactly. The less crappy player won today. Keep in mind that that doesn't make Djokovic' victory any less deserved.

IMO, this is the most deserved title he has this year. Weathering the storms Wawrinka and Stepanek threw at him and managed to win 3 3 setters in 3 days. His new trainer deserves a raise.

whattheheck
11-08-2009, 10:54 PM
Congrats Nole!

Sunset of Age
11-08-2009, 10:55 PM
IMO, this is the most deserved title he has this year. Weathering the storms Wawrinka and Stepanek threw at him and managed to win 3 3 setters in 3 days. His new trainer deserves a raise.

Indeed. :)
Most impressive, I think, was his mental fortitude all throughout the week. Came back after having MPs against himself twice this week (very impressive indeed), and didn't even blink his eyes after losing that second set to Fed (due to his own UE's), but just came in the third set doing MAJOR BUSINESS, immediately going into Total Destruction-mode. :yeah:

Bascule
11-08-2009, 11:04 PM
Could have done without the "obligatory" Djokovic injury time-out/massage to recover from the long last game of the first set. What can you say? The man has made strides with respect to sportsmanship, but is still not completely above gamesmanship.
Of course, no posts about Novak without mentioning the same time and time again.:devil:


I don't know...
I already knew that.http://www.dogmall.co.uk/smile/animated/anim_26.gif (http://www.dogmall.co.uk/dog-beds-baskets/large-dog-beds/)

star
11-08-2009, 11:08 PM
IMO, this is the most deserved title he has this year. Weathering the storms Wawrinka and Stepanek threw at him and managed to win 3 3 setters in 3 days. His new trainer deserves a raise.

Indeed. :)
Most impressive, I think, was his mental fortitude all throughout the week. Came back after having MPs against himself twice this week (very impressive indeed), and didn't even blink his eyes after losing that second set to Fed (due to his own UE's), but just came in the third set doing MAJOR BUSINESS, immediately going into Total Destruction-mode. :yeah:

:worship: Good thoughts both.

phelbyn
11-08-2009, 11:12 PM
Hardly what I would consider 'crushing'.

Too bad Federer... you wasted soooooo many break point chances it was ridiculous. First set down 4-5... and he had like a 10 deuce game and couldn't capitalize. Oh well. Good prep for Paris.

Making that year end #1 more of a definite too! 1500 point lead over Nadal is looking pretty sweet! :)

RafitoGoat
11-09-2009, 12:36 AM
His Australian Open chances aren't looking pretty sweet; I wonder how much longer Federer will want to hang on if it means losing to the elite 6-2 in final sets in big matches. Federer is a very proud person.

Clay Death
11-09-2009, 12:39 AM
His Australian Open chances aren't looking pretty sweet; I wonder how much longer Federer will want to hang on if it means losing to the elite 6-2 in final sets in big matches. Federer is a very proud person.


it wasnt that big of a match. you still have to deal with him at the slams and that is what is called big.

still i am happy for the great serbian slayer. he needed this win to get some sort of confidence and momentum going.




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Action Jackson
11-09-2009, 12:43 AM
Doesn't matter how Djokovic got the W, he managed it and since there are no extra points for playing well, then good for him.

RafitoGoat
11-09-2009, 12:46 AM
And Djokovic got the win over a player who wanted desperately to win in his hometown and defend his title for the 5th time.

sanshisan
11-09-2009, 12:47 AM
The Basel match was a major turning point in the Federer-Djokovic rivalry. Novak beat Roger in his home town, at his favorite tournament, that Roger had won 3 times already. Novak will defeat Roger on a regular basis now. The tide has turned. :)

Sunset of Age
11-09-2009, 12:50 AM
The Basel match was a major turning point in the Federer-Djokovic rivalry. Novak beat Roger in his home town, at his favorite tournament, that Roger had won 3 times already. Novak will defeat Roger on a regular basis now. The tide has turned. :)

I think I heard this before, not that long ago.
"The King is dead, long live the new king!" ;)

sanshisan
11-09-2009, 01:06 AM
Kudos to the 84% of MTF Know-It-ALL Clowns who voted that Federer was sure to win the Basel tournament. :worship:

:haha::haha::haha::devil:

star
11-09-2009, 01:07 AM
The Basel match was a major turning point in the Federer-Djokovic rivalry. Novak beat Roger in his home town, at his favorite tournament, that Roger had won 3 times already. Novak will defeat Roger on a regular basis now. The tide has turned. :)

That's to be hoped, but easier said than done. Just beating a player once doesn't mean you can always beat him.

I remember that Federer (to his chagrin) after his win over Nadal in Hamburg made the famous statement that he had figured Nadal out and now could beat him. That didn't work out so well.

Sunset of Age
11-09-2009, 01:10 AM
Kudos to the 84% of MTF Know-It-ALL Clowns who voted that Federer was sure to win the Basel tournament. :worship:

:haha::haha::haha::devil:

I surely wasn't one of them. ;)

Even more, from the 'Who Can Defeat Federer at Basel'-thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=153780):

He's pretty much capable of doing it himself at times... :angel:

Not THAT far off eh.

DISCLAIMER: not meaning to take away anything from Djokovic's victory, let that be clear.

RafitoGoat
11-09-2009, 01:11 AM
Kudos to the 84% of MTF Know-It-ALL Clowns who voted that Federer was sure to win the Basel tournament. :worship:

:haha::haha::haha::devil:

And on Tennis Warehouse 78% said Federer :D

Clay Death
11-09-2009, 01:15 AM
That's to be hoped, but easier said than done. Just beating a player once doesn't mean you can always beat him.

I remember that Federer (to his chagrin) after his win over Nadal in Hamburg made the famous statement that he had figured Nadal out and now could beat him. That didn't work out so well.


true but at the same time, its a little more complicated than that on hard courts.

one poor service game and one is likely to be out of a set and possibly the match if it happens in the decider.

and then if you have a poor returning game or if you dont take advantage of the opportunities on their serve, next thing you know you are down 0-4 in the decider. and that should be the match for anybody.

if they break you twice in a single set on hard courts then you have no business winning that set at all.

that said, djokovic still had to believe in himself and had to earn this one. like he said, its never easy against Fed.

Sunset of Age
11-09-2009, 01:15 AM
That's to be hoped, but easier said than done. Just beating a player once doesn't mean you can always beat him.

I remember that Federer (to his chagrin) after his win over Nadal in Hamburg made the famous statement that he had figured Nadal out and now could beat him. That didn't work out so well.

That was a pretty :silly: statement, indeed.
Still I don't think it's fair to compare the situations - Fed said that around 2006, when he was at his utmost his prime. I guess he really believed that when he said that at that time.
The situation is quite different nowadays, even if he's still a force to be very seriously reckoned with in the slams, it cannot be denied that his days of total domination are beyond him, especially in the minor tournaments.

Fedexex
11-09-2009, 01:21 AM
Roger:o