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The statistical tribute to Marat Safin (1996-2009)

Voo de Mar
11-08-2009, 06:19 AM
This week two great players: Fabrice Santoro and Marat Safin finish their careers although 7 years separates both guys. Santoro will probably play his last match in career today, Safin maybe on Monday, maybe Tuesday or Wednesday...

Today the thread about the Russian, I'll post a thread about Santoro next month...

Marat Safin, I would say one of the 5 most important players this decade (along with Federer, Nadal, Hewitt and Roddick) but perhaps the most charismatic one. At the end of last decade he has begun the new trend in men's tennis - showed that tall guys can be very fit and win mostly from the baseline. Before Safin, the best player as tall as Safin who had been playing mainly from the baseline was... Richard Fromberg.
Safin has been one of the most interesting players from psychological point of view. In my opinion "Russian roulette" is an adequate term to his on court attitude (excluding last two years when he had inclination to choking). He was one of those sparse players who can play first point of the match and a very important point after many hours of play with the same level of mental tension therefore it's tough to describe him as a mental strong or weak player, very tough player to typecasting. Very good five-set player, very poor in the tie-break of the final set (not any other player lost as many matches in the final tie-break set as Safin did), as many dramatic wins as defeats... I think on court coincidences was always strongly connected with Safin's results because of his unique mentality.

Safin at the Roland Garros 2006 (the only time with long hair in a Grand Slam tournament, lost here to F.Gonzalez).

http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113519&d=1172267274

Win/loss
Career Singles (Tour Level Only): 428 - 274 (.609)
Career Doubles (Tour Level Only): 98 - 129 (.431)

Career Singles (Incl. Futures, Challengers and Satellites): 480 - 305 (.611)
Career Doubles (Incl. Futures, Challengers and Satellites): 116 - 150 (.436)

Number of tournaments played in singles:
- Main Tour (Grand Slams and ATP Tour): 260
- Challengers: 11
- Satellites: 5
- Futures: 0

CAREER TITLES in singles: (15 ATP + 1 Challenger)
97 - Espinho (Challenger)
99 - Boston (38)
00 - Barcelona (57), Mallorca (58), Toronto (66), US OPEN (68), Tashkent (69), St. Petersburg (74), Paris (75)
01 - Tashkent (95), St. Petersburg (100)
02 - Paris (123)
04 - Beijing (155), Madrid (158), Paris (160)
05 - AUSTRALIAN OPEN (162)

Finalist: 12 ATP + 1 Challenger

The best GS results in singles:
Australian Open (winner 2005; finalist 2002, 2004)
Roland Garros (semifinalist 2002; quarterfinalist 2000)
Wimbledon (semifinalist 2008; quarterfinalist 2001)
US Open (winner 2000; semifinalist 2001)
The best MS results in singles:
Miami (quarterfinalist 2002)
Monte Carlo (semifinalist 2004; quarterfinalist 2002)
Hamburg (finalist 2000, 02)
Toronto (winner 2000; quarterfinalist 2002)
Cincinnati (quarterfinalist 2004, 05)
Madrid (winner 2004; quarterfinalist 2006)
Paris (winner 2000, 02, 04; finalist 1999; quarterfinalist 2006)
* Played three times at the Masters Cup (2000 - SF, 2002 - RR & 2004 - SF).

CAREER TITLES in doubles: (2 ATP + 1 Challenger)
98 - Wolfsburg (D.Vemic)
01 - Gstaad (R.Federer)
07 - Moscow (D.Tursunov)

Finalist: 4 ATP

# Won Davis Cup twice (2002 as a singles player and 2006 playing in the final singles & doubles)

Career High Singles: 1 (20.11.2000)
Career High Doubles: 71 (22.04.2002)

Singles ranking history at the end of the year (1996-2008):
445 - 203 - 49 - 23 - 2 - 11 - 3 - 77 - 4 - 12 - 26 - 56 - 29.
* No. 65 in the day of retirement.

Prize Money: $14,350,709

* Detailed singles statistic (including Challengers, Futures & Satellites):
5-setters: 28-13 (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9022362&postcount=13) (.682)
Tie-breaks: 223-195 (.533)
"Tight matches": 75-74 (.503)
TB's in the deciding set: 23-33 (.410)
The longest winning match: 4 hours 37 minutes; F.Mantilla 6-4 2-6 6-2 6-7 11-9 (Roland Garros 2004)
The longest losing match: 4 hours, 34 minutes; J.Ouanna 6-7 6-7 6-4 6-3 8-10 (Roland Garros 2009)
The longest winning tie-break: (13-11) twice (G.Rusedski - Boston '99; S.Grosjean - Davis Cup '02)
The longest losing tie-break: R.Federer 3-6 6-7(18) (Houston 2004)
The most served aces: 33 - twice in 2004 (A.Agassi - won, M.Mirnyi - lost)

* Detailed doubles statistic (main level):
Tournaments played: 120
5-setters: 4-4
Tie-breaks: 53-50
TB's in the deciding set: 5-3
Champions tie-break: 14-10
The longest winning tie-break: p/C.Moya - N.Broad/R.Koenig 7-6(11) 7-6 (Key Biscayne 1999)
The longest losing tie-break: (9-11) twice

The other tributes:

Thomas Johansson (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=146101&highlight=johansson)
Andrei Pavel (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=137150&highlight=pavel)
Jonas Bjorkman (http://www.menstennisforums.com/search.php?searchid=1640259&highlight=bjorkman)
Gustavo Kuerten (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=124201&highlight=kuerten)
Felix Mantilla (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=120967&highlight=Statistical)
Davide Sanguinetti (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=119396&highlight=tribute)
Kenneth Carlsen (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=111739&highlight=carlsen)
Tim Henman (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=108551&highlight=tribute)
Wayne Arthurs (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=104420&highlight=tribute)
Sjeng Schalken (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=100578&highlight=tribute)
Greg Rusedski (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=99403&highlight=tribute)

Marat :wavey:

Voo de Mar
11-08-2009, 06:20 AM
This Safin's reaction cost him a loss of point during the match with Felix Mantilla at the Roland Garros 2004.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=112784&d=1172199029

The most interesting matches in Safin's career in my subjective view:

:o Davis Cup 1998 (1R, Atlanta): J.Courier 6-0 4-6 6-4 1-6 4-6

174th in the world, unknown teenager with black dyed hair, began the decisive rubber against former No. 1 with a sensational lead 6-0 *4:1 (after identical lead lost also a match 8 years later to Ramirez-Hidalgo in Rome)! The match lasted only 2 hours 46 minutes.

:) Roland Garros 1998, 1R: A.Agassi 5-7 7-5 6-2 3-6 6-2

Qualifier Marat beat on the Suzanne Lenglen court two-time former finalist and a player who won that tournament in 1999. It was Safin's Grand Slam's debut and just 4th tournament on the main level! "I wanted to beat Agassi, but I think I was really lucky playing so well in this match," Safin said. "I do not think I will beat Kuerten. I'm very tired.'' Two days later Marat beat defending champion Kuerten on the Centre Court, also in 5 sets!

:) Toronto 2000, QF: P.Sampras 6-4 3-6 7-6(8)

Safin was up 4:1 in the tiebreak before Sampras rallied. The American had match points at 6:5, *7:6 and 8:7. "He's only 20, he's a big, strong guy, and he's got all the tools," said the best player in the world from the 90's about the young Russian. After that match Sampras won 16 consecutive tie-breaks to set a new record, broken a few years later by Andy Roddick.

:) US Open 2000, 3R: S.Grosjean 6-4 7-6(3) 1-6 3-6 7-6(5)

Grosjean was a break up at the beginning of the fifth set. The match was interrupted by rain in the 5th set with Safin serving at 4:4 (30-15) for 1 hour 19 minutes. In the decisive tie-break Safin led *5:3 but lost the point and the rain came back! This time the rain delay lasted 1 hour 40 minutes. After second break, Grosjean won first point and both players were two points away from victory - both points won Safin and advanced to the 4th round. Grosejan won 14 points more (170-156). Four rounds later Safin won the tournament destroying Sampras (6-4 6-3 6-3) in the final after "the match of life". Sampras had only two break points - in the last game of the match.

:) Paris 2000, F: M.Philippoussis 3-6 7-6(7) 6-4 3-6 7-6(8)

One of the most dramatic indoor finals in history, finished with the longest 5th set tie-break in the final. The scoreline would suggest that Philippoussis wasted some setpoints or matchpoints but he didn't: Safin led 5:1*, 6:4 in the 1st tie-break and 6:3* in the 2nd one before won the title on 6th match point. The match had two crucial moments: first happened when Safin was 0-40 down on serve at 4:4 in the 2nd set and saved all breakpoints on 2nd serve (winning volley, passing-shot and lob!); second at 3:3* (30-15) for Safin in the third set when the Russian fell down and split right eyebrow with the frame of his racquet. After medical time-out Marat lost first point but won next three, and broke Scud's serve the only time in the match! The 3 hour 29 minutes final, was dominated by serves: Safin served 22 aces and 30 service winners, Scud 22 and 52 respectively. The Australian won 12 points more (165-153). Thanks to this amazing triumph Safin became the youngest No. 1 in the world at the age of 20 years 9 months (one year later the record was broken by Lleyton Hewitt). :worship:

:) :o US Open (2R)/Lyon (SF) 2001: I.Ljubo-Tie-Break-combo 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 7-6(5) 7-6(5) / 7-6(3) 6-7(4) 6-7(7)

They played 7 tie-break sets within two months, breaking each other only twice! At the US Open played first all-tie-break 4-setter since 1991, Safin wasn't forced to save setpoint in any of 3 winning tie-break sets. In Lyon, Ljubicic took a 4:1 lead in the third set and 3:0 in the tie-break but Safin had match point at 6:5 on serve! Safin won 3 tie-break sets in one match also at the Aussie Open '05 against Ollie Rochus (4-6 7-6 7-6 7-6).

:o Davis Cup 2002 (SF, Moscow): Safin/Y.Kafelnikov - L.Arnold/D.Nalbandian 4-6 4-6 7-5 6-3 17-19

It could have been 3x 4-6 but the Russians saved break point at 4:4 in the third set. Fifth set lasted 3 hours 3 minutes! Russians had break points on Nalbandian's serve at 8:8, 10:10 and 12:12. Nalbandian finally lost his serve at 16:16 and Safin was serving to win the match. Argentinians saved two match points and broke Safin's serve for the first time in the match! Two games later also Kafelnikov lost his serve at second match point and the match after 6 hours 20 minutes - the longest doubles match in tennis history so far! Despite Argies' unbelievable win, Russians advanced to the final thanks to Safin who defeated in 4 sets Nalbandian on Sunday in the 4th rubber.

:) Australian Open 2004, SF: A.Agassi 7-6(6) 7-6(6) 5-7 1-6 6-3

86th in the world Safin (suffered injuries in 2003) saved one set point at *4:5 in the first set, and setpoints at 5:6 in both tie-breaks! Safin slammed 33 aces, and not one double fault! Agassi lost first match in Melbourne after 26 wins in a row! Safin lost the final to Federer in straight sets but equalled Solomon's record (Roland Garros '76) given the most sets played during one Grand Slam tournament - 30 (Safin en route to the final defeated in 5 sets also Todd Martin and Andy Roddick).

:) Roland Garros 2004, 2R: F.Mantilla 6-4 2-6 6-2 6-7(4) 11-9

Safin was penalized a point by Carlos Bernardes for dropping his shorts at 4:3* (15-0) in the fifth set. Instead of 30-0 for Safin, was 30-15. Safin lost concentration and found himself 4:5, and match point down a moment later. Mantilla was serving to win the match also at 6:5 and 7:6! The match was suspended because of darkness at 7-all in the fifth set and lasted 24 minutes the following day before Safin converted his first match point.
In the next round Safin saved also match point on return at 1-2, 4:5 against Starace. Both Brad Gilbert (1992) and Greg Rusedski (1998) at the US Open won two consecutive 5-setters after match point down as well...

:o Houston-MC 2004, SF: R.Federer 3-6 6-7(18)

Safin had had 2 break points at 4:1 in the 2nd set, later 6:5 (30-0)... before lost 18-20 in the tie-break - equalled record of the longest singles tie-break in terms of points. One of the six longest tie-breaks but I think the most impressing one because was played by two great players at the peak of their careers, in the semifinal of a big tournament. The tie-break lasted 26 minutes and 38 seconds, and neither player had two-point advantage until the last point of the match! "I was nervous. I was under pressure. Everybody has these moments," said Safin who wasted 6 setpoints. "I was starting to get to his serve. I put too much pressure on myself trying to win that tie-breaker".
Here is the tie-break's progress from Safin's side: 0:1, 1:2, 2:3, 3:4, 4:5, 5:6, 7:6, 7:8, 9:8, 9:10, 10:11, 11:12, 13:12, 14:13, 15:14, 15:16, 17:16, 17:18, at 18:18 Safin made the only double fault of that set!
If there was the hawk-eye system, the tie-break should have finished 11-9 for Federer - Safin's forehand landed out at third MP for Roger.
Safin lost all three longest tie-breaks he played in career. The other two: 14-16 in doubles in Wolfsburg '98 (Challenger, teaming up with Vemic) and 15-17 against Ferrero in Hamburg 2007 (wasted 5 setpoints).

:) Australian Open 2005, SF: R.Federer 5-7 6-4 5-7 7-6(6) 9-7

Sweet revenge for the Houston's semifinal a couple months later. One of the best matches of this decade although first three sets were rather of poor quality. Both 4th and 5th set played on the highest level of tennis' technique and drama though. Federer led *5:2 in the tie-break, at 6:5 had match point on serve - Safin saved it with a lob (perhaps Federer played a ball with volley which would have landed out)! In the 5th set Safin led 5:2* (30-15) - Federer played tremendous backhand lob from very difficult position. At 5:3 Safin had two adv. match points - on both occasions missed backhands trying to play winners. In the 10th game, Federer saved another match point, this time at the net (Safin had empty court to play finishing passing-shot...) Then at 6:6 Federer had 30-0 on Safin's serve and break point - missed forehand. Safin leading 7:6 had double match point (fourth and fifth). Before the last game of the match, Federer changed his shirt into a white one (all previous games in this match had been playing in blue). Federer saved 6th match point with an ace but at 7th match point fell on the court reaching Safin's backhand down the line, hit the ball but Safin this time didn't miss the opportunity and finished the point with gentle forehand playing in the open court. "To come back and still fight to win, it's a little bit difficult because psychologically you're upset that you've already had your chances," said Safin who broke Federer's streak of 26 consecutive wins! Safin won the final against Hewitt and became 7th Australian Open champion who was one point away from defeat.

:) US Open 2006, 2R: D.Nalbandian 6-3 7-5 2-6 3-6 7-6(6)

Safin has become the first player in history who won 4 matches in the tie-break of the fifth set (beside mentioned matches against Grosjean and Philippoussis, beat also Kiefer 7-6 in the 5th set). Had match point before the tie-break, in the tie-break led 5:1 and 6:5* before converted 3rd match point. "I just had the match in control after two sets and I let him come back," Safin said. "I got a little bit scared because I was playing too well, then I started to think a little bit too much, I stop to attack, I change a little bit my game, then he started to play his tennis."
A couple months later Safin lost to Nalbandian 6-7 in the third set in Madrid after controversial/ridiculous situation in the 12th game when both players and the referee forgot the scoreline and Nalbandian won the game winning one point less than should have won!

:) Davis Cup 2006 (F, Moscow): J.Acasuso 6-3 3-6 6-3 7-6(5)

Safin's last very important win... This win in the 5th and decisive rubber, gave Russia second Davis Cup within 4 years. ''This is the best thing that's happened to me in the last two years,'' said Safin “I was under pressure and I was pretty scared. I didn't want to let this cup go away.”

:) Davis Cup 2008 (1R, Moscow): T.Berdych 6-7(5) 4-6 6-3 6-2 6-4

Safin won first 5-set match being 0-2 down in sets and broke Berdych's perfect record in 5-setters (9-0). Safin saved 16 of 17 break points. "I think he has just showed that he's still a great player," Berdych said. "If somebody told me on the chair after the second set that it's going to be this way, I would not have believed it."

:o Roland Garros 2009, 2R: J.Ouanna 6-7(2) 6-7(4) 6-4 6-3 8-10

Safin led 3:1* in the fifth set, then saved match points at *4:5 and 5:6. "Christmas Day didn't come on December 25 for him, it came today. Hopefully I can forget this match" said Safin. After very similiar scoreline lost a Davis Cup rubber to Max Mirnyi, 5 years earlier (6-7 6-7 6-1 6-4 9-11).

Hola Mr. SK
11-08-2009, 06:48 AM
Great work,Mr.statistics!!
:yeah:
Safin could achieve more if not for the knee injury. He's an entertaining player to watch! Great champion! :worship:
btw,Thanks for taking Fed down at AO 2005! lol

well,have to admire Fed's consistency. Now Safin is gone...Hewitt and Roddick are semi retired...Federer,among the same age group,is still collecting his GS titles,fighting against young champions. What a legend.

Yves.
11-08-2009, 06:53 AM
we're gonna miss him

Thanks Voo :yeah:

rommel99
11-08-2009, 07:02 AM
marat will be missed.. badly..

Nidhogg
11-08-2009, 08:55 AM
Very good read. Thanks a bunch.

n8
11-08-2009, 10:46 AM
Thanks lots for putting that together for us!

Number one Safin memory: AO SF 2005.

sheva07
11-08-2009, 11:00 AM
Great job Voo! Will miss Marat.:sad:

Certinfy
11-08-2009, 11:05 AM
Awesome thread :)

fast_clay
11-08-2009, 11:22 AM
one of your best voo...

Goldenoldie
11-08-2009, 12:04 PM
Interesting stats, and interesting to see his place in the top 5 of the decade. No quarrel with that, he is clearly behind Federer and Nadal, but just ahead of Hewitt and Roddick.

His career is now over, but Hewitt's and Roddick's continue. Hewitt probably has not much more to give, but I wonder whether Roddick might pull out enough to ease him ahead of Safin in the historical perspective.

Start da Game
11-08-2009, 12:24 PM
i din't know that he beat agassi and kuerten in consecutive 5 setters in 98 on the french clay.......quite a feat that.......

good read, thanks........

Jimnik
11-08-2009, 12:26 PM
Too many injuries and too many winnable matches lost, but still a legend.

2005 AO semi-final = greatest match of the decade

Jimnik
11-08-2009, 12:27 PM
And btw, great work Voo as always. :worship:

Kolya
11-08-2009, 01:42 PM
Fantastic work as usual.

I remember 1st seeing him at the FO in 1998, now he is retiring :(

gulzhan
11-08-2009, 02:18 PM
Thanks, Voo :worship:

Jelena
11-08-2009, 03:07 PM
Great job Voo! Will miss Marat.:sad:
Agree.
I was never a die-hard Marat fan, but it was always entertaining to watch him, especially when he had his :shout: moments.
Too many injuries and too many winnable matches lost, but still a legend.

2005 AO semi-final = greatest match of the decade
Voo said he started a trend by being tall and playing successful from the baseline. The other trend coming of this generation is having injuries and in a way ruining the body.
That match in Melbourne belongs to the greatest matches for sure. I don't know if it is THE greatest though.

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2009, 04:04 PM
Great stuff, Voo. ;)

Echoes
11-08-2009, 04:07 PM
we're gonna miss him


We aren't gonna miss Voo, that's the most important. :D

Michael Bluth
11-08-2009, 04:43 PM
Coria doesn't have a tribute despite his announcing his retirement this year.

Julio
11-08-2009, 04:56 PM
marat will be missed.. badly..

For you, surely. Not for me.

scoobs
11-08-2009, 04:58 PM
I will miss him for his x-factor, that spark of charisma, something, that made having him around just a little bit more interesting. In pure tennis terms it's inconsequential - in that dept he's been retired quite some time. But it's still a shame, somehow.

MariaV
11-08-2009, 05:05 PM
Thank you so much, Voo! :worship: :bowdown:

rocketassist
11-08-2009, 05:27 PM
The AO final against Hewitt was a great one too, he basically came from 1-4 down in the third playing his A game to swat Lleyton away.

Beating Hewitt in the 2002 Paris final too, battered him there.

And Nalbandian in Madrid 04, indoor tennis supreme. Showed that Safin's A game is better than Dave's, even if Dave's A game is supreme in its own right.

Sapeod
11-08-2009, 05:46 PM
13 years of misery over. Yeeesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!

1 down, 1 to go.

Burrow
11-08-2009, 05:48 PM
13 years of misery over. Yeeesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!

1 down, 1 to go.

You're 14.

SelvenluvJo
11-08-2009, 05:58 PM
Great work,thanks Voo de Mar

czx22
11-08-2009, 06:02 PM
Fantastic work!!!thanks for everything that geven by marat...

maratsmaiden
11-08-2009, 06:03 PM
You're 14.

I was just about to post the same thing... lol


Great thread, great information, great memories... thanks so much :) Marat will be missed.

Sapeod
11-08-2009, 06:15 PM
You're 14.
I know. Usually 13 is less than 14 :)

Burrow
11-08-2009, 06:24 PM
So you've been in misery for 13 years? Get a life.

Caio_Brasil
11-08-2009, 06:29 PM
Thanks a lot Voo, this was probably the best tribute you made.

Best matches stuff is amazing.

erica
11-08-2009, 06:46 PM
Great work :worship:

He'll be missed.. It's hard to even imagine tennis without him.

rocketassist
11-08-2009, 07:29 PM
13 years of misery over. Yeeesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!

1 down, 1 to go.

Who's the other? You happy about Santoro going?

Mechlan
11-08-2009, 07:46 PM
Marat will be missed. Some really memorable matches there, thanks for recalling some of them.

The Freak
11-08-2009, 07:57 PM
Marat is going to be missed by many. :sad:

Great career :yeah:

Nadie
11-08-2009, 08:04 PM
dziękuję Voo :hatoff: brilliant work, thanks a lot.

oh Marat :sad: you will be missed :awww:

scarecrows
11-08-2009, 08:05 PM
great thread as usual :yeah:


[I]This week two great players: Fabrice Santoro and Marat Safin finish their careers although :

wasnt Santoro supposed to play the last slam at AO next year? :scratch:

out_here_grindin
11-08-2009, 08:07 PM
Will Safin's last ever match be against Del Potro?

Voo de Mar
11-08-2009, 08:38 PM
wasnt Santoro supposed to play the last slam at AO next year? :scratch:

On the ATP website is written that against Blake played his last professional match :shrug:

Sapeod
11-08-2009, 09:36 PM
So you've been in misery for 13 years? Get a life.
:crying2: :crying2: :crying2:

Good riddance Mugfin :wavey:
Who's the other? You happy about Santoro going?
Safin down, Safina to go.

Burrow
11-08-2009, 09:42 PM
:lol:

Safin is a hero and you're just jealous. :)

Montego
11-08-2009, 09:44 PM
A walking charisma :worship:

Voo de Mar
11-08-2009, 09:52 PM
Safin's H2H against No 1's:

Agassi 3-3
Becker 1-0
Courier 1-1
Federer 2-9
Ferrero 6-5
Hewitt 7-6
Kafelnikov 2-2
Kuerten 3-4
Moya 3-4
Muster 1-0
Nadal 0-2
Rafter 0-1
Rios 3-1
Roddick 3-4
Sampras 4-3

Bad Religion
11-08-2009, 10:31 PM
Ultra Mediocre 61 % of winning percentage

Burrow
11-08-2009, 10:33 PM
Ultra Mediocre 61 % of winning percentage

Probably because after 2005 he was terrible and that is why you removed him from your signature, the "Tsar". :lol:

Burrow
11-08-2009, 10:39 PM
Or he became a shadow.

TMJordan
11-08-2009, 11:27 PM
:worship: Marat Safin :worship:

Thanks Voo!

thrust
11-08-2009, 11:52 PM
Marat will be missed. Some really memorable matches there, thanks for recalling some of them.

When he won the USO against Sampras, I thought he had it all: great game, personality and looks. He had a great game, but not the desire to be a great champion. He was unique, and will be missed. I wish him, and his sister, all the best in the future.

GlennMirnyi
11-09-2009, 12:06 AM
You know the reason , I am a gloryhunter.

Translated.

Basic Boy
11-09-2009, 12:16 AM
so who's left? tennis is dead now? Only Tsonga to watch?

KarlyM
11-09-2009, 07:56 AM
Very nice tribute, Voo! :worship:

Voo de Mar
11-09-2009, 02:07 PM
I hope we'll see Safin in at least two matches this week. Ascione is maybe the weakest player in the draw, I can't imagine Safin would lose to him today. Against fit Del Potro, Safin is rather chanceless but would win a set (because Del Potro is without any match practise this indoor season), and leave good impression :)

Bernard Black
11-09-2009, 03:22 PM
R.I.P. Safin

Yves.
11-09-2009, 03:24 PM
R.I.P. Safin

holy fuck

Sapeod
11-09-2009, 04:36 PM
:lol:

Safin is a hero and you're just jealous. :)
A hero? Is he fuck :lol:

And no, I'm not jealous of that prick, I am perfectly happy with my life :)

maratsmaiden
11-09-2009, 04:44 PM
A hero? Is he fuck :lol:

And no, I'm not jealous of that prick, I am perfectly happy with my life :)

Little boy, just stop posting in this thread please. If you have something to say that is worth mentioning - perhaps about Marat's statistical data - then please, say it. If you're just going to bring childish negativity to every thread except the ones about Murray, then just stop posting in them. it's really that simple!

I realize you're not the only one around here that does this, but, I see you lurking around Marat threads in particular (as I read those before I continue to other players or threads that I'm interested in)- most likely to do with a slight obsesion with Burrow - and am quite frankly just sick of wasting time reading this kind of junk.

Sapeod
11-09-2009, 04:55 PM
Ok, maratsmaiden. Did you know that Safin has a 1-0 h2h against Murray, 2-0 of you count the one in Kooyong in 2008 :eek:

GlennMirnyi
11-09-2009, 05:02 PM
A hero? Is he fuck :lol:

And no, I'm not jealous of that prick, I am perfectly happy with my life :)

Why are you posting here, really?

This is a statistical tribute to Safin. It's not a thread to post whether you like you him or not. It's a thread about Safin's statistical achievements. The guy is retiring - let his fans enjoy his last week and show some respect, if not for his fans (not every one of them deserves it, for sure), for his achievements.

Sapeod
11-09-2009, 05:03 PM
Why are you posting here, really?

This is a statistical tribute to Safin. It's not a thread to post whether you like you him or not. It's a thread about Safin's statistical achievements. The guy is retiring - let his fans enjoy his last week and show some respect, if not for his fans (not every one of them deserves it, for sure), for his achievements.
Since when did you care what is posted in a thread?? You post shit in every thread you go into.

maratsmaiden
11-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Ok, maratsmaiden. Did you know that Safin has a 1-0 h2h against Murray, 2-0 of you count the one in Kooyong in 2008 :eek:

That's great. Thanks for telling me, and for adding actual insight into the discussion. Whether it was for or against Marat (the h2h), I wouldn't have cared, just so you know - I would have just been glad that you added something constructive to the conversation.

PiggyGotRoasted
11-09-2009, 05:14 PM
I would love it if he won this paris ms, then roddick pulls out of his first match at tmc and safin gets a place since noone ahead of him in the rankings wants to travel and wins the masters cup :devil:

Burrow
11-09-2009, 05:16 PM
Ditherless getting bitch slapped by GlennMirnyi and Maiden, fantastic.

And no, Marat doesn't have a 2-0 head-to-head against Murray, but a 2-1 head-to-head. You didn't even know that :lol:

Sapeod
11-09-2009, 05:22 PM
Ditherless getting bitch slapped by GlennMirnyi and Maiden, fantastic.

And no, Marat doesn't have a 2-0 head-to-head against Murray, but a 2-1 head-to-head. You didn't even know that :lol:
2-1?? Um, no. Take a look :) http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=S741&oId=MC10

Who's the idiot now? :)

As I said, a 1-0 h2h not counting Kooyong, a 2-0 h2h counting Kooyong. Now please get yoiur facts right :)

GlennMirnyi
11-09-2009, 05:26 PM
Since when did you care what is posted in a thread?? You post shit in every thread you go into.

I may post shit, but ON TOPIC.

Therefore, stay on topic or just get the f*** out.

And don't drag the WTA into this topic. If you wanna discuss the WTA, there's an appropriate forum for that. :)

Everko
11-09-2009, 05:30 PM
Since when did you care what is posted in a thread?? You post shit in every thread you go into.

speaking about yourself?

Sapeod
11-09-2009, 06:00 PM
I may post shit, but ON TOPIC.

Therefore, stay on topic or just get the f*** out.

And don't drag the WTA into this topic. If you wanna discuss the WTA, there's an appropriate forum for that. :)
Oh shut it. Don't patronise me. You go off topiv a lot, and I am oin topic. Ths thread is about Safin, right???

Go back to your hatertard palace.

Sapeod
11-09-2009, 06:00 PM
speaking about yourself?
Did I look like I was, genius?

Everko
11-09-2009, 06:02 PM
Did I look like I was, genius?

what you said fit yourself

oranges
11-09-2009, 06:02 PM
Did I look like I was, genius?

Would you be so kind to stop spamming this thread with your BS.

Sapeod
11-09-2009, 06:05 PM
what you said fit yourself
It fits you and a lot of other clowns.

Burrow
11-09-2009, 06:34 PM
2-1?? Um, no. Take a look :) http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=S741&oId=MC10

Who's the idiot now? :)

As I said, a 1-0 h2h not counting Kooyong, a 2-0 h2h counting Kooyong. Now please get yoiur facts right :)

They played at Kooyong in 2007 too, you idiot. So 2-1.

Burrow
11-09-2009, 07:46 PM
No reply Ditherless? Get YOUR facts right.

UsD.AnDreS
11-09-2009, 08:05 PM
saving 3 "career ending" points seems like a little nice bonus to his career statistic. so sweet.

ChinoRios4Ever
11-09-2009, 08:25 PM
Marat :worship:

Voo amazing stuff as usual :hatoff:

ad-out
11-09-2009, 08:41 PM
Thanks for the amazing thread Voo! And for reminding everyone of Marat's charisma and achievements. He will be missed! :sad:

Arkulari
11-09-2009, 09:02 PM
Thanks for the tribute Voo! :D

Marat is an unique character and deserves a note for everything he brought to tennis in this decade, his US Open 2000 against Sampras and his 2005 AO against Roger are two of the best matches I've ever seen, it shows that in terms of talent he was up there with probably the two greatest players of the last 20 years :)

He will be missed and even if I was never a fan of his like I am of Roger or Rafa, I still liked his game a lot, sadly he became a shadow of what he once was and it's better to see him go now than drag himself doing something he doesn't really care about any longer

The guy is retiring - let his fans enjoy his last week and show some respect, if not for his fans (not every one of them deserves it, for sure), for his achievements.

your words honor you in here Gu, hopefully it'll be the same when a player you hate retires ;)

Burrow
11-09-2009, 09:08 PM
Why are you saying he doesn't care though? I mean, you don't choke matches left and right because you don't care. Marat said himself that he was desperate to win. He just doesn't have the movement anymore. Even the way he is right now, he got himself into a lot of winning positions against tough opponents.

But yes, as tough as it is to say, I'd rather him retire than continue to play like 30% of his true self.

Arkulari
11-09-2009, 09:17 PM
I think it's a bit like a vicious circle: he doesn't have the movements and it frustrates him, so tennis kinda frustrates him even if he loves it because he can't play like he used to due to his lack of movement :shrug:

I'm not attacking Marat, just saying what I saw of him lately, granted, I'm not a HUGE fan but I do try to catch his matches as much as I can :)

Burrow
11-09-2009, 09:21 PM
I think it's a bit like a vicious circle: he doesn't have the movements and it frustrates him, so tennis kinda frustrates him even if he loves it because he can't play like he used to due to his lack of movement :shrug:

I'm not attacking Marat, just saying what I saw of him lately, granted, I'm not a HUGE fan but I do try to catch his matches as much as I can :)

Yeah, I agree 100%. It was clear in interviews even in 2006 that he was frustrated with his play because he was clearly not playing as well as he did a year prior and it has only gotten worse, I think he's very frustrated and bitter at times because he knows what he was once capable of and it's just not there anymore.

But he definitely cares, sometimes too much, at least the struggle is nearly over.

rocketassist
11-09-2009, 09:32 PM
They played at Kooyong in 2007 too, you idiot. So 2-1.

Kooyong the 5th grand slam.

It's 1-0- exhos don't count regardless of any player.

Burrow
11-09-2009, 09:34 PM
I know that, I'm not debating that, but Dither**** was counting one Kooyong result oblivious to the fact they had played the previous year, too. ;)

Havok
11-09-2009, 09:36 PM
Interesting stats, and interesting to see his place in the top 5 of the decade. No quarrel with that, he is clearly behind Federer and Nadal, but just ahead of Hewitt and Roddick.

His career is now over, but Hewitt's and Roddick's continue. Hewitt probably has not much more to give, but I wonder whether Roddick might pull out enough to ease him ahead of Safin in the historical perspective.
Safin behind all four mentioned players, easily. He has an extra Slam on Roddick but he has been such a yo-yo player and won sparingly on the tour that imo I simply cannot put him above Roddick who has been nothing but incredibly consistent, a threat in a handful of big events each and every year, and has won many tour titles.

Safin vs. Hewitt; both have the same amount of Slams (2), Safin winning 15 tour titles (roughly half won in only ONE year), while Hewitt has won 27 tour titles. Federer > Nadal > Hewitt > Roddick > Safin.

Burrow
11-09-2009, 09:38 PM
2 slams > 1 slam

Mickey Mouse tournaments aren't taken into account when judging greatness.

Arkulari
11-09-2009, 09:38 PM
Federer > Nadal > Hewitt > Roddick > Safin
career consistency achievements wise

Federer > Safin > Nadal > Hewitt > Roddick
talent wise IMO ;)

leng jai
11-09-2009, 09:40 PM
Putting Roddick ahead of Safin is pretty funny.

Sapeod
11-09-2009, 09:57 PM
They played at Kooyong in 2007 too, you idiot. So 2-1.
I didn't see that. Not my fault that the ATP doesn't include exhibitions, you idiot :)

Burrow
11-09-2009, 10:15 PM
Well you included one of them...??

Too young to see the 07 one I suppose, sorry.

LeChuck
11-09-2009, 10:19 PM
Great work by Voo once again.
I'll never forget watching Safin beating Sampras live in their Toronto Masters QF in 2000, on his way to the title.
It was a thrilling match and Safin showed nerves of steel to save those 3 match points in the final set tiebreak, particularly the one on Pete's serve. It's a shame that Pete double-faulted on Safin's match point at 10-9 and such a high quality match concluded that way. However Safin really impressed me that day. A few weeks later when they were about to face each other again in the US Open final, I knew that Marat had a much better chance of winning than most pundits gave him pre-match, although I wasn't expecting him to dismantle Pete quite so ruthlessly.

leng jai
11-09-2009, 10:25 PM
The US Open final was such an hilarious match. I don't think Marat even hit one winner from the back of the court. Sampras just kept net rushing and getting passed, while he was actually having a lot more success from the back of the court.

GlennMirnyi
11-10-2009, 02:25 AM
Oh shut it. Don't patronise me. You go off topiv a lot, and I am oin topic. Ths thread is about Safin, right???

Go back to your hatertard palace.

Topic. On.

This thread is about Safin's achievements. I guess reading comprehension isn't your forte.

Thanks for the tribute Voo! :D

Marat is an unique character and deserves a note for everything he brought to tennis in this decade, his US Open 2000 against Sampras and his 2005 AO against Roger are two of the best matches I've ever seen, it shows that in terms of talent he was up there with probably the two greatest players of the last 20 years :)

He will be missed and even if I was never a fan of his like I am of Roger or Rafa, I still liked his game a lot, sadly he became a shadow of what he once was and it's better to see him go now than drag himself doing something he doesn't really care about any longer



your words honor you in here Gu, hopefully it'll be the same when a player you hate retires ;)

There are threads and threads. I'm not a fan of Safin, actually, but you gotta respect his slams and Davis Cup titles.

Voo de Mar
11-10-2009, 03:01 AM
Safin has finally won a tight match, for the first time since 2007 won a match being very close to defeat :worship:

Here are his "match point saved" matches:

Won:

2000 Copenhagen: Kroslak 3-6 6-0 7-6(8) - 1 mp
2000 Toronto: Sampras 6-4 3-6 7-6(8) - 3 mp
2002 Lyon: Arthurs 6-3 4-6 7-6(10) - 2 mp
2003 Barcelona: Gaudio 6-4 4-6 7-5 - 2 mp
2004 Roland Garros: Mantilla 6-4 2-6 6-2 6-7(4) 11-9 - 1 mp
2004 Roland Garros: Starace 6-7(4) 6-4 3-6 7-5 7-5 - 2 mp
2004 Moscow: Mirnyi 6-7(8) 7-6(2) 7-6(1) - 2 mp
2005 Australian Open: Federer 5-7 6-4 5-7 7-6(6) 9-7 - 1 mp
2005 Indian Wells: Nieminen 4-6 6-1 7-5 - 2 mp
2005 Halle: Santoro 3-6 7-6(7) 3-2 ret. - 1 mp
2009 Paris: Ascione 6-4 4-6 7-6(3) - 3 mp

Lost:

1998 Mallorca: Schiessling 7-6(6) 4-6 6-7(6) - 1 mp
2000 Rotterdam: Hrbaty 6-4 1-6 6-7(7) - 1 mp
2001 Queens Club: Wessels 6-4 4-6 6-7(8) - 2 mp
2001 Indianapolis: Rafter 3-6 7-5 6-7(7) - 1 mp
2001 Moscow: Hrbaty 0-6 6-4 6-7(5) - 1 mp
2001 Lyon: Ljubicic 7-6(3) 6-7(4) 6-7(7) - 1 mp
2004 Halle: Bjorkman 2-6 7-6(3) 6-7(4) - 1 mp
2007 Monte Carlo: Vliegen 6-0 6-7(8) 4-6 - 4 mp
2008 Valencia: Haase 6-2 6-7(9) 4-6 - 3 mp
2009 Miami: Monfils 7-5 5-7 6-7(3) - 2 mp
2009 Monte Carlo: Lapentti 6-7(6) 6-2 6-7(6) - 3 mp

11-11 :devil:

GustavoM_Fan
11-10-2009, 03:26 AM
:clap2: for the work
i saw the matches vs Monfils and Lapentti this year. he was break up (or double break up, not sure) in the last sets in both of them :tape:

:eek: didnt know he doesnt win a match saving MP since 2005

Voo de Mar
11-10-2009, 03:37 AM
:clap2: for the work
i saw the matches vs Monfils and Lapentti this year. he was break up (or double break up, not sure) in the last sets in both of them :tape:


Yeah, he was double break up in both matches and double break up also against Robredo this year (6-2 6-7 2-6). It's astonishing he lost three matches this year in this style! Earlier during the whole career he lost on the main level only to Ramirez-Hidalgo in Rome being two breaks up. Safin as a powerful server didn't use to lose two service games in a set.

Arkulari
11-10-2009, 04:18 AM
There are threads and threads. I'm not a fan of Safin, actually, but you gotta respect his slams and Davis Cup titles.

*coughs* Rafa *coughs* :lol: :lol:

Voo de Mar
11-11-2009, 01:44 PM
It's sad it's the end (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=154122) but Safin played his last tournament in a good style :)


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/34/fullj.038ad6cbdf49269034d881a107e5d615/038ad6cbdf49269034d881a107e5d615-getty-90998746cr012_atp_masters_s.jpg

sports freak
11-11-2009, 01:53 PM
Thank you Marat!

Start da Game
11-11-2009, 02:02 PM
goodbye marat, we miss you!

maratski
11-11-2009, 07:24 PM
Thanks for the interesting stats!

My best memories:
First seeing him on tv at RG 2000
The Paris final in 2000
AO 2004
Tiebreak against Federer TMC 2004
AO 2005
Seeing him at 5 of my 6 visits to RG
Taking a pic with him at RG this year
And of course the shallow memory, RG 2002! He was sex on legs and still is actually.

Today's memory :sad: :sad: :sad:

MsTree
11-11-2009, 07:36 PM
Great thread and a fitting tribute :)

Ouragan
11-12-2009, 01:57 AM
Interesting that Santoro was Safin's on-court executioner, and they are now retiring at the same moment :)

Arkulari
11-12-2009, 02:58 AM
Hasta luego Marat, fue un placer verte jugar :)

Mimi
11-12-2009, 08:11 AM
the great Voo, thanks:worship:

Greg-Pete fan
11-12-2009, 08:47 AM
Thanks Voo :worship:

Marat :worship:

Psichogauchovna
11-13-2009, 07:35 AM
thanks for the thread :hug:

ClaudiuS
12-06-2009, 12:59 PM
That run in Roland Garros 1998 was awesome. That was the first time I heard from Marat Safin.

Yves.
12-06-2009, 01:31 PM
That run in Roland Garros 1998 was awesome. That was the first time I heard from Marat Safin.

That's a quick quote in your sig :eek:

ClaudiuS
12-06-2009, 01:35 PM
That's a quick quote in your sig :eek:

Sorry I couldn't help it. I just laughed a lot when I read it. :lol:

The Freak
01-11-2011, 02:41 AM
Just watched the '05 Aussie Final. Marat was playing so well there :eek: it's a shame he couldn't play at that level more often. That backhand was sick, solid as a rock and he was firing winners off of it at will, with rarely any errors...can't recall ever seeing a better two-hander. :worship:

Voo de Mar
09-11-2013, 09:00 AM
Two amazing Safin's years in Melbourne (http://voodemar.com/ao/2004-2005-australian-open/)
when he won four matches in five-setters outlasting T.Martin, Roddick, Agassi & Federer. He defeated also other class opponents: Nieminen, Blake, Ancic, O.Rochus, Hrbaty, Hewitt and... Djokovic.