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Big Problems Mounting In The UK-BNP

Iván
10-23-2009, 04:45 PM
A serious problem is starting to gather pace in the UK, The British National Party are starting to get political votes and their values and ideals are shocking.

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11/griffinPA_415x275.jpg

Last night he said that London was become ethnically cleansed and that white people were being forced out of the capital by muslims, he is against gay rights and said that watching two fully grown men kiss made him feel creepy.

Their growing support is supported by racist cases like this, especially the north of the uk.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQLrrarlNfE

All this was braught to a head last night when their leader Nick Griffin attended a famous BBC political programme called Question time.

You can watch it here

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=question+time+nick+griffin&search_type=&aq=0&oq=question+time+ni

here are some of his previous statements

Griffin in quotes

On the Holocaust

I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat… I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter-day witch-hysteria.”

On Race

Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create ‘Black Britons’, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land.”

On power

When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate. We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation. If people come to crack our heads we will break theirs.”

On Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf

The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation – there were some really useful ideas there.”

Ivanatis
10-23-2009, 04:55 PM
That's indeed scary. But not more scary than extreme right parties in other European countries. The negative highlight for me still is Le Pen qualifying for the 2nd round in 2002.

JolánGagó
10-23-2009, 05:00 PM
what a colourful character...

GlennMirnyi
10-23-2009, 05:18 PM
Pathetic from Europeans to support fascist and pseudo-fascist parties.

Har-Tru
10-23-2009, 05:21 PM
That's indeed scary. But not more scary than extreme right parties in other European countries. The negative highlight for me still is Le Pen qualifying for the 2nd round in 2002.

That case was truly the highlight, but the BNP is clearly more radical than other Continental far-right parties.

Jimnik
10-23-2009, 05:30 PM
It's been blown a little bit out of proportion. BNP got a couple of EU parliament seats because they're anti-Brussels. In the UK general elections they always get less than 1% popular vote which is smaller than most nationalist parties. In Germany the equivalent NPD got 1.5% at the recent domestic elections.

Jimnik
10-23-2009, 05:31 PM
That case was truly the highlight, but the BNP is clearly more radical than other Continental far-right parties.
You sure about that? By definition a far-right party is suppose to be radical.

Har-Tru
10-23-2009, 05:41 PM
You sure about that? By definition a far-right party is suppose to be radical.

Of course, but there's degrees within radicalism.

Spadea TT
10-23-2009, 05:43 PM
That's indeed scary. But not more scary than extreme right parties in other European countries. The negative highlight for me still is Le Pen qualifying for the 2nd round in 2002.

In Italy at the moment an important part of extreme right wing is at government. Alessandra Mussolini (Mussolini's granddaughter) is deputee in the party that has the relative majority in the country (which comes from the union of Berlusconi party and extreme right wing party, ex neofascist). In addition there is a strange party, called "Lega Nord", which is not really right-winged, but is often described as xenophobe by foreign newspapers.

The main problem that brings people to join right wing is inmigration and new safety problems connected to it. Here in Italy especially strong group of inmigrants from all over the world increased criminality and sense of fear in people. The left wing with its will to let everybody come to our country lost all its votes. Nevertheless, during left wing governments everything went worse and worse, even economic situation.

GlennMirnyi
10-23-2009, 05:51 PM
:lol:

As if immigration were responsible for violence...

rocketassist
10-23-2009, 05:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk&feature=player_embedded

This great bit of edited work sums him up.

Har-Tru
10-23-2009, 05:57 PM
:lol:

As if immigration were responsible for violence...

There is a direct correlation between the rise of immigration and the rise of criminality, that's a fact.

Now the reasons, that's another story.

Har-Tru
10-23-2009, 06:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk&feature=player_embedded

This great bit of edited work sums him up.

Does he deny the holocaust there? That might be why the video isn't available here in Germany.

Spadea TT
10-23-2009, 06:08 PM
:lol:

As if immigration were responsible for violence...

We have criminals made in Italy. Why should we get more and more and more??

Spadea TT
10-23-2009, 06:12 PM
Does he deny the holocaust there? That might be why the video isn't available here in Germany.

It's full of cuts from word to word, I don't understand well talked English, but I don't think it's reliable video.

It's sad to see that in some so called "democracies" it isn't possible to make debates about historical events...

GlennMirnyi
10-24-2009, 02:00 AM
There is a direct correlation between the rise of immigration and the rise of criminality, that's a fact.

Now the reasons, that's another story.

There's a direct correlation between weight gain and working out but it doesn't mean you're getting fat, does it?

The point is - it's bullshit to say immigration is responsible for violence.

We have criminals made in Italy. Why should we get more and more and more??

Close the borders then.

Why don't you all integrate the immigrants instead of marginalizing and excluding them?

stebs
10-24-2009, 02:26 AM
I think that show highlighted how far we are from a serious problem rather than alluding to us being close to one. Griffin was ripped to shreds in an unrepenting manner which made him look both foolish, callous and slimy. He was out of his depth trying to reason his extreme views against minorities and that showed a lot.

If anything this is raising awareness about the type of party this really is and stops ignorant and suggestible people from being influenced and duped into becoming part of it.

Henry Chinaski
10-24-2009, 02:29 AM
It's been blown a little bit out of proportion. BNP got a couple of EU parliament seats because they're anti-Brussels. In the UK general elections they always get less than 1% popular vote which is smaller than most nationalist parties. In Germany the equivalent NPD got 1.5% at the recent domestic elections.

they got a couple of seats because proportional representation is used for eu elections and because the turnouts are so piss poor.
your first point is right though. blown totally out of proportion. they don't have a prayer of evert winning a seat in a first past the post general election.

Spadea TT
10-24-2009, 01:22 PM
Close the borders then.

Why don't you all integrate the immigrants instead of marginalizing and excluding them?

Many want to be excluded (ROM gipsy groups, Arabians). Immigrants that want to be integrated and that work honestly, are integrated in fact. The problem is that an important part of immigrants comes here to be thief, drug dealer, to get money from prostitution (by treating girls as slaves) and so on... When there was little immigration, we didn't have so big problems in Italy...

Action Jackson
10-24-2009, 01:47 PM
Yes, blame all immigrants, the easy solution. Instead of looking at both sides of the problem, institutional racism, the majority being suspicious of different individuals and customs. Then the other side are the ones who want to take the piss out of the host country that they are in and complain about everything and minimise efforts to integrate. No, this does not mean forget your cultural background and traditions, it's about mutual respect.

The third generation have some problems for sure, some are doing fine and others don't feel they belong to the country they are born in and then when they go back to the homeland, they realise in many cases, that they are considered foreigners.

Considering if there were no immigrants, what there isn't going to be crime, drug problems and other social problems in homogenised societies.

Jimnik
10-24-2009, 01:54 PM
they got a couple of seats because proportional representation is used for eu elections and because the turnouts are so piss poor.
Dude, that can't be true. The Greens, for instance, got 2 seats with 8.6% of the popular vote and the SNP got 2 seats with only 2.1%. Doesn't even come close to proportional representation.

BNP got 6.2% - that's ten times more than their average general election result. The nationalist parties always fair better in European than domestic elections. UKIP is another example. It's about independence from Brussels, not an agreement with the entire agenda.