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Beijing SF: Cilic def. Nadal 6:1, 6:3

petar_pan
10-10-2009, 07:22 AM
what to say? i am shocked :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
i am so happy. especially because win against murray wasn't accidental
cilic was amazing. i think after this amazing performances against murray and nadal... huuuh,it's seems he is ready for big things.

Certinfy
10-10-2009, 07:22 AM
Owned!!!! :D

Vaccine
10-10-2009, 07:23 AM
Nadal was hopeless. Totally outplayed

freeandlonely
10-10-2009, 07:23 AM
fucking delicious
any excuse?

Bad Religion
10-10-2009, 07:23 AM
Nadal has become in a joke

You have to be an utter clown to lose to a limited player like Cilic

madmax
10-10-2009, 07:23 AM
there's no better smell than the one of roasted pig:devil: Good ridance of the hardcourt cancer Marin - tennis lives another day...

bokehlicious
10-10-2009, 07:23 AM
spanking! :hearts: :drool:

tennis_fan_2006
10-10-2009, 07:24 AM
This is a step back. He is long ways from where he was at the beginning of the year.

Riffrizzle
10-10-2009, 07:24 AM
That first set was ridiculous from Cilic, well done.

Kudos to Nadal for saving 4 match points in hectic fashion.

Bad Religion and madmax are the worst human beings in MTF.

Elena.
10-10-2009, 07:24 AM
Another one easy to predict,Nadal without muscles has no power in his strokes,he got outpowered by Cilic.

Topspin Forehand
10-10-2009, 07:24 AM
Cilic played like Del Potro today. Unbelievable performance from him. Watch out for him next year.

Deathless Mortal
10-10-2009, 07:25 AM
Awesome game by Marin until 6-1 2-0* (40-0) and after that he played a bit shaky but it was expected. He obviously did his homework and knew exactly what to do and how to play against Nadal and what's even more important he served very well and I've never seen him hit such a low amount of UEs.

Voo de Mar
10-10-2009, 07:25 AM
Good for the game :yeah: After this win, Cilic has opened a chance to qualify for London Masters Cup. It's good to have more players in the mix for Masters spots in the last couple of weeks of the regular season.

Nadal... Del Potro 2-6 2-6 2-6 then Cilic 1-6 3-6
well, I don't remember when the last time a player of Nadal's status was humiliated in back to back tournaments :o

lalaland
10-10-2009, 07:25 AM
This scoreline is a shocker.
Nole, please win tomorrow.

Action Jackson
10-10-2009, 07:25 AM
Super Nadal was injured.

Good stuff Cilic.

tennismaster882001
10-10-2009, 07:26 AM
Marin! :worship:
That first set was out of this world!
Amasing unexpected performance, too bad he didn't close out the match with his serve though!

Topspin Forehand
10-10-2009, 07:26 AM
Good for the game :yeah: After this win, Cilic has opened a chance to qualify for London Masters Cup. It's good to have more players in the mix for Masters spots in the last couple of weeks of the regular season.

Nadal... Del Potro 2-6 2-6 2-6 then Cilic 1-6 3-6
well, I don't remember when the last time a player of Nadal's status was humiliated in back to back tournaments :o
Don't forget Djokovic in Cincy. Not quite as humiliating though.

simplet
10-10-2009, 07:26 AM
Nadal is taking some pretty serious beatings these days...

freeandlonely
10-10-2009, 07:26 AM
Cilic played like Del Potro today. Unbelievable performance from him. Watch out for him next year.


I do hope he takes a big step from this.:)

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 07:27 AM
Awesome game by Marin until 6-1 2-0* (40-0) and after that he played a bit shaky but it was expected. He obviously did his homework and knew exactly what to do and how to play against Nadal and what's even more important he served very well and I've never seen him hit such a low amount of UEs.

thats because nadal moonballing, tall guys easy to attack

Machiavelli
10-10-2009, 07:27 AM
Sublime performance, shaky serving it out, but nevertheless, pure joy to watch this demolition......

Hats of Marinko, another step would be taking the titlew tommorow, but this is still amazing....

Certinfy
10-10-2009, 07:28 AM
Nadal is always injured when he loses...

CR3WLFC
10-10-2009, 07:28 AM
YESSS CILIC :worship:

GlennMirnyi
10-10-2009, 07:28 AM
:haha:

Vamos!

:haha:

No game.

sawan66278
10-10-2009, 07:29 AM
All you can say is: wow! What the freak happened? To be honest, this was the way Marin looked for a set and a half against Del Potro...before he choked the match away. This time, he got the job done...and smoked Rafa.

Regardless of WHAT happens health-wise, Rafa will not win another hard court major until he improves the speed on his first serve. He got 68% of his first serves in...and got killed. Players realize his serve is the worst of any #1 one in history (not named Jimmy Connors)...and on hard courts, they are making him pay.

Congrats to Marin...a really nice guy...who works hard and earned the victory. Should be a good match tomorrow.

anon57
10-10-2009, 07:29 AM
Impressive play from Cilic:yeah:Thought he might have a dip after he had failed to served out the match but he managed to stay calm and break Nadal to take the match.

arm
10-10-2009, 07:29 AM
Nadal is always injured when he loses...

He is injured even when he wins. :shrug:

Anyway, good stuff from Cilic. :worship:

alter ego
10-10-2009, 07:30 AM
Nice one Cilic, after Murray now Nadal and tomorrow he plays Djokovic.

Voo de Mar
10-10-2009, 07:30 AM
Don't forget Djokovic in Cincy. Not quite as humiliating though.

In that match Nadal at least was a competitor in the 2nd set, against Del Potro in New York and today against Cilic was looking all the time like a whiping-boy. Actually Cilic should have won 6-1 6-2 (2 mp's wasted on serve) :o

sawan66278
10-10-2009, 07:30 AM
He is injured even when he wins. :shrug:

Anyway, good stuff from Cilic. :worship:

Unless you call having a WTA-level first serve an injury, Rafa is physically fine.

Foxy
10-10-2009, 07:32 AM
Rafa was definitely not 100%. And definitely not ready yet. So, never in doubt. He will get better as time passes.

kyleskywalker007
10-10-2009, 07:32 AM
Good for the game :yeah: After this win, Cilic has opened a chance to qualify for London Masters Cup. It's good to have more players in the mix for Masters spots in the last couple of weeks of the regular season.

Nadal... Del Potro 2-6 2-6 2-6 then Cilic 1-6 3-6
well, I don't remember when the last time a player of Nadal's status was humiliated in back to back tournaments :o

Yeah, you are right. Time to panic for Nadal??? I know this is not his fav part of the year....but still, his mental strength alone helped him win these matches...in the past I guess.

your_valentine
10-10-2009, 07:33 AM
Love it :drool: Marin :kiss: I knew you had potential.
Bye bye Nadal :spit::wavey:

RIboy
10-10-2009, 07:34 AM
too big for Nadal, well done Mugrin

~*BGT*~
10-10-2009, 07:35 AM
That was a murder.

petar_pan
10-10-2009, 07:36 AM
In that match Nadal at least was a competitor in the 2nd set, against Del Potro in New York and today against Cilic was looking all the time like a whiping-boy. Actually Cilic should have won 6-1 6-2 (2 mp's wasted on serve) :o

true

petar_pan
10-10-2009, 07:37 AM
All you can say is: wow! What the freak happened? To be honest, this was the way Marin looked for a set and a half against Del Potro...before he choked the match away. This time, he got the job done...and smoked Rafa.

Regardless of WHAT happens health-wise, Rafa will not win another hard court major until he improves the speed on his first serve. He got 68% of his first serves in...and got killed. Players realize his serve is the worst of any #1 one in history (not named Jimmy Connors)...and on hard courts, they are making him pay.

Congrats to Marin...a really nice guy...who works hard and earned the victory. Should be a good match tomorrow.

so so true

Voo de Mar
10-10-2009, 07:38 AM
Time to panic for Nadal???

I think so, Del Potro and Cilic showed how to beat him -> consequently powerful strokes standing inside the court, they didn't give him too much time, didn't allow him to find the proper rhythm in defense. I think these scorelines are encouraging for the others, they'd think "if Nadal wins only 2 games in a set against DP or Cilic, I can beat him 6-4 7-5 or something like that".

adee-gee
10-10-2009, 07:38 AM
Totally lost the plot.

Take the rest of the season off Rafa. I thought the thumpings by Tsonga, Blake, Gonzo etc on hard were bad enough, but the last 2 against Del Potro and Cilic are a shambles.

petar_pan
10-10-2009, 07:39 AM
Awesome game by Marin until 6-1 2-0* (40-0) and after that he played a bit shaky but it was expected. He obviously did his homework and knew exactly what to do and how to play against Nadal and what's even more important he served very well and I've never seen him hit such a low amount of UEs.

confidence. tennis is all about confidence.

Nidhogg
10-10-2009, 07:40 AM
Good gameplan and execution from Cilic. Both he and Blake showed how to give Nadal's second serve the treatment this week, and when you're tall, have a good backhand, can hit big and move pretty well you have good chances against Nadal. Expected that Marin tightened up at the end as usual, but he pulled it off anyway.

Certinfy
10-10-2009, 07:41 AM
At this rate Nadal might not even win a match at the WTF's...

Huey84
10-10-2009, 07:41 AM
the only people who seem to be able to beat Nadal are the tall lankoids, which shows it's not really their skill winning it for them..

L James
10-10-2009, 07:43 AM
Rafa was definitely not 100%. And definitely not ready yet. So, never in doubt. He will get better as time passes.

What was the injury?

foul_dwimmerlaik
10-10-2009, 07:44 AM
Woodshed, meet Rafael Nadal. Rafael Nadal, this it woodshed, please feel at home.

I think that Nadal's moonballing kind of made Cilic look better than he really is, but still, his return game's never been bigger. Slight jitters while serving for the match, but corrected himself in the next game. Bravo!

arm
10-10-2009, 07:44 AM
Unless you call having a WTA-level first serve an injury, Rafa is physically fine.

I did not say otherwise :shrug:

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 07:44 AM
the only people who seem to be able to beat Nadal are the tall lankoids, which shows it's not really their skill winning it for them..

funniest post ever

Action Jackson
10-10-2009, 07:44 AM
What was the injury?

Heartliage.

adee-gee
10-10-2009, 07:44 AM
In that match Nadal at least was a competitor in the 2nd set, against Del Potro in New York and today against Cilic was looking all the time like a whiping-boy. Actually Cilic should have won 6-1 6-2 (2 mp's wasted on serve) :o
Today was worse than the Del Potro match....2, 2, and 2 was a misleading score at the USO, Nadal had an absurd number of break points and game points and just never took them. He was well beaten, but he almost got back into the match on quite a few occasions. Today was just a hammering, I can't even say the score is harsh.

Action Jackson
10-10-2009, 07:45 AM
the only people who seem to be able to beat Nadal are the tall lankoids, which shows it's not really their skill winning it for them..

Yes, Nalbandian is tall and lanky.

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 07:45 AM
Today was worse than the Del Potro match....2, 2, and 2 was a misleading score at the USO, Nadal had an absurd number of break points and game points and just never took them. He was well beaten, but he almost got back into the match on quite a few occasions. Today was just a hammering, I can't even say the score is harsh.

its faster court in beijing, obviously helps even more

Ad Wim
10-10-2009, 07:49 AM
Nadal is just so fucking vulnerable these days. A bit of a good day from a good HC player and he is done. We saw that twice against Potro, against Djoko and now this. Wonder if it's still an injury or that he has run out of steam, because that's what it looks like.

Voo de Mar
10-10-2009, 07:49 AM
Today was worse than the Del Potro match....2, 2, and 2 was a misleading score at the USO, Nadal had an absurd number of break points and game points and just never took them. He was well beaten, but he almost got back into the match on quite a few occasions. Today was just a hammering, I can't even say the score is harsh.

Nadal wasted break points then but the fact is - in each set lost service games twice :shrug:

Voo de Mar
10-10-2009, 07:51 AM
treba mu dati respekt za to

:haha: Sounds almost identically in Polish.

kyleskywalker007
10-10-2009, 07:54 AM
Today was worse than the Del Potro match....2, 2, and 2 was a misleading score at the USO, Nadal had an absurd number of break points and game points and just never took them. He was well beaten, but he almost got back into the match on quite a few occasions. Today was just a hammering, I can't even say the score is harsh.

You are aware of the fact that Del Potro beat him in a Slam, right? Who knows if Cilic would have been able to maintain this form throughout 3 sets. I am not saying he can't do it, but then again, he is playing against Nadal.

Let's not forget that Cilic came with all guns blazing against Del Potro but then he couldn't keep it for longer and Delpo killed him...

Nidhogg
10-10-2009, 07:56 AM
the only people who seem to be able to beat Nadal are the tall lankoids, which shows it's not really their skill winning it for them..

Haha, what the hell?

petar_pan
10-10-2009, 07:56 AM
don't forget that rafa was great against marat yesterday.
today: he was completely outplayed from the start (perfect cilic) so he did not have confidence.
when he pull out 0:40 ata 0:2 in 2nd he start to play better and had ball for 2:2
kudos for marin because he didn't choke like against del potro. that is progress.

petar_pan
10-10-2009, 07:58 AM
:haha: Sounds almost identically in Polish.

poljska u mome srcu hehe

Sunset of Age
10-10-2009, 07:58 AM
Congrats, Cilic! :eek: :eek: WOW! :hatoff:
Couldn't see the match but apparently he just blew Rafa off the court...

I hoped Rafa would be able to improve with each match he played, as his first three appearances weren't impressive at all, despite the Marat-beatdown, which had more to do with Marat than with Rafa.
Apparently he couldn't. Well, rest up for Shanghai (or perhaps even better, the tournaments thereafter?) Raf. :hug:

alter ego
10-10-2009, 07:58 AM
the only people who seem to be able to beat Nadal are the tall lankoids, which shows it's not really their skill winning it for them..

Sure the worst matchups are tall guys with solid BH, but what Cilic did today was more than that. He 's game variety was awsome. He attacked the Nadal BH in the important moments, Nadal did what he often does to get out of a bad situation in a rally. Left the ad side wide open and tried to go around the ball to his FH side an attack down the line. But Cilic saw the open court and he took all the risks to change the ball direction and go flat down the line.

paseo
10-10-2009, 07:58 AM
Rafa was definitely not 100%. And definitely not ready yet. So, never in doubt. He will get better as time passes.

Come on, man... I don't even like Cilic, but he played great today. And Nadal was outplayed. Please, no more excuses. Nobody can win them all.

Voo de Mar
10-10-2009, 08:00 AM
poljska u mome srcu hehe

= in Polish "polska w moim sercu" :p

Tsonganator
10-10-2009, 08:04 AM
Nadal does not have the game to be great on hard courts, never did, never will. If he did, his game would be unrecognizable from what it is now.

RIboy
10-10-2009, 08:07 AM
= in Polish "polska w moim sercu" :p

serbian for beginners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMw-BXaeMpw

:lol:

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 08:09 AM
before trashing nadal and praising cilic non-stop remember these: 36 titles compared to cilic 3

Labamba
10-10-2009, 08:15 AM
superb stuff from Cilic :yeah:

Vaccine
10-10-2009, 08:19 AM
before trashing nadal and praising cilic non-stop remember these: 36 titles compared to cilic 3

There's no denial that Rafa is overall a better player and have more succes. In case of talent it's also Rafa by miles. It's only the game that Cilic plays rips apart Rafa's game and shows the holes in it esp ATM :shrug:
No injuries, no other excuses. Simply that

Manon
10-10-2009, 08:20 AM
Nole girls hatred school works like a steam machine. Moto 'Only injured and humiliated Nadal is good Nadal' invented by school principal is just amazing.

Anyway, I'm glad for Marin but have to say Nadal is far from 100% sawan. He's just not phisically fine (what a crap even from you).

Machiavelli
10-10-2009, 08:29 AM
Hope for a good match tommorow and a Marin win

Manon
10-10-2009, 08:32 AM
^^^^Hope for a good match tommorow and a Novak win:)

acionescu
10-10-2009, 08:45 AM
Who said Rafa was injured? :retard:

He just got outplayed on HC, which allways happened even in his better times :shrug:

He looked so heartless :(

prima donna
10-10-2009, 08:47 AM
Good for the game.

Har-Tru
10-10-2009, 08:51 AM
Thanks for the vcash Marin! :D

Deivid23
10-10-2009, 08:59 AM
Ladies and gentleman, this is Marin Cilic :worship:

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 09:04 AM
Ladies and gentleman, this is Marin Cilic :worship:

Really? like we have never seen him play before, he just peaked one tournament and doesnt mean he can do it too often :lol:

moon language
10-10-2009, 09:06 AM
I didn't see the match but looking at the scoreline wow, Nadal needs to get it together. That is ridiculous.

Deivid23
10-10-2009, 09:13 AM
Really? like we have never seen him play before, he just peaked one tournament and doesnt mean he can do it too often :lol:

stfu, u donkey :lol:

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 09:17 AM
stfu, u donkey :lol:

uh...what did i exacly say wrong? its the truth, retard

and not masterseries quarterfinal this year proves that he is just very inconsistent and will always be

Goldenoldie
10-10-2009, 09:21 AM
Somehow this makes Murray's loss to Cilic easier to bear.

Bilbo
10-10-2009, 09:42 AM
Nadal is gone. I'll miss all these big matches I've seen in the last 2-3 years against Federer, Nole etc. Was definately one of the best times when I watched sports. I don't see Nadal ever coming back to this level. Bad for this sport.

Aenea
10-10-2009, 10:11 AM
Wow :eek: Judging by the scoreline this has been a beating, Nadal hasn't been ready for this encounter and up to the task.
Rafa, if you were not ready to compete at the highest level you shouldn't have come back. Embarrassing loss to that Cilic :o :( Get your things together and show some interest in the tennis next week in Shanghai.

Action Jackson
10-10-2009, 10:18 AM
l_mac and Jaap will like this result.

oranges
10-10-2009, 10:22 AM
That was some spanking :worship:

Really? like we have never seen him play before, he just peaked one tournament and doesnt mean he can do it too often :lol:

Of course not, only ponyboy can do that and lose only when ill. BTW, you've gone from no one can play like that for the entire match to peaking for one tournament.

Dini
10-10-2009, 10:23 AM
What an utter beatdown.

Congrats to Cilic and a special congrats to oranges. :hug:

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 10:32 AM
That was some spanking :worship:



Of course not, only ponyboy can do that and lose only when ill. BTW, you've gone from no one can play like that for the entire match to peaking for one tournament.

i saw that fucking match you fool, he lost because he was ill, simple as that.

i have no excuses his other losses outside top 4 this year because there were none and those opponents were pretty skilled.

thrust
10-10-2009, 10:34 AM
All you can say is: wow! What the freak happened? To be honest, this was the way Marin looked for a set and a half against Del Potro...before he choked the match away. This time, he got the job done...and smoked Rafa.

Regardless of WHAT happens health-wise, Rafa will not win another hard court major until he improves the speed on his first serve. He got 68% of his first serves in...and got killed. Players realize his serve is the worst of any #1 one in history (not named Jimmy Connors)...and on hard courts, they are making him pay.

Congrats to Marin...a really nice guy...who works hard and earned the victory. Should be a good match tomorrow.

Well, at least Connors was able to win 109 tournaments including 8 Slams with such a lousy serve. It seems as though Nadal has lost power in his game, especially the serve, which is killing him agains the taller players. Somethins is wrong! he was so great early season, now unable to beat the power players.

decrepitude
10-10-2009, 10:35 AM
i was batroom but i didnt know that it was wc, rabbit was horse but eye was ball.

make your post more complicated to understand, quite a job

I didn't think I would ever see a post that was less comprehensible than one of Heya's.:confused:

Edit: looks like (s)he went back and edited the post! Delighted to have preserved it for posterity :lol:

paseo
10-10-2009, 10:40 AM
Nadal is gone. I'll miss all these big matches I've seen in the last 2-3 years against Federer, Nole etc. Was definately one of the best times when I watched sports. I don't see Nadal ever coming back to this level. Bad for this sport.

What are you saying? Nadal still gonna dominate the clay court events. That alone will keep him at the top 4. And he's gonna get more chances to face Fed, Djokovic, Murray, etc in the big matches.

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 10:41 AM
I didn't think I would ever see a post that was less comprehensible than one of Heya's.:confused:

Edit: looks like (s)he went back and edited the post! Delighted to have preserved it for posterity :lol:

yeah, yeah...i wasnt happy with my effort so i had to edit that post troll once more. :lol:

tennishero
10-10-2009, 10:45 AM
cilic has deffinately improved in the last months, i think he's going to breakthrough in the top 8 soon.
i predicted a cilic win in 3 but didnt expect nadal to get destroyed.

Dini
10-10-2009, 10:50 AM
Misha (..::Manon::..) is any player at 100%? If you play a tournament and go deep in it you're bound not to be at 100%. Have there been any new press releases about his injuries? How do you know he's not fit? He looked fit to me; Cilic had a gameplan and stuck to it - nothing Nadal could do about such consistency and history also proves that with losses against Blake, Gonzo, Berdych etc.

USO he had a muscle tear. But it can't have been that bad in Beijing because he chose to play it when other top players were pulling out of other tournaments.

MariaV
10-10-2009, 10:58 AM
Nole girls hatred school works like a steam machine. Moto 'Only injured and humiliated Nadal is good Nadal' invented by school principal is just amazing.

Anyway, I'm glad for Marin but have to say Nadal is far from 100% sawan. He's just not phisically fine (what a crap even from you).

Of course Rafa's not in the best shape yet.
Good luck to Nole tomorrow! :wavey:

Well, at least Connors was able to win 109 tournaments including 8 Slams with such a lousy serve. It seems as though Nadal has lost power in his game, especially the serve, which is killing him agains the taller players. Somethins is wrong! he was so great early season, now unable to beat the power players.

Rafa couldn't serve or play tennis at all for like 2-3 weeks, of course his serve is way off yet. :shrug:

Clydey
10-10-2009, 11:01 AM
Yes, Nalbandian is tall and lanky.

:lol:

malisha
10-10-2009, 11:04 AM
i colud dedicate this to some members here but who cares for his bashers now

this is Marin Cilic ladies and gemtlemen

HarryMan
10-10-2009, 11:04 AM
That was an absolute roasting and enjoyed every bit of it. :drool:

Horatio Caine
10-10-2009, 11:08 AM
:eek:

Cilic does have that game style to hurt Nadal with, but I wasn't really expecting him to win the match. Anyway, I have read on page 1 that Rafa was injured (AJ), so that obviously might have had some bearing.

malisha
10-10-2009, 11:09 AM
and not masterseries quarterfinal this year proves that he is just very inconsistent and will always be

clueless mug...this rubbERR:lol:

Dini
10-10-2009, 11:11 AM
:eek:

Cilic does have that game style to hurt Nadal with, but I wasn't really expecting him to win the match. Anyway, I have read on page 1 that Rafa was injured (AJ), so that obviously might have had some bearing.

I thought it was a sarcastic remark.

malisha
10-10-2009, 11:11 AM
l_mac and Jaap will like this result.

you colud add Voo de mar once but now looks like he is a fan of him:D

Art&Soul
10-10-2009, 11:12 AM
:haha::haha: What a joke this Nadull, world number #2 :haha::haha: Nadull is injured again, ha :o

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 11:13 AM
clueless mug...this rubbERR:lol:

no MS QF proves that he is not realdeal, just another berdych :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-10-2009, 11:14 AM
I thought it was a sarcastic remark.

I'm sure it is.

Aenea
10-10-2009, 11:14 AM
That was an absolute roasting and enjoyed every bit of it. :drool:

:lol:

Seems like those 61 63 60 and 13-7 are still hurting :D

:haha::haha: What a joke this Nadull, world number #2 :haha::haha: Nadull is injured again, ha :o
As if a certain world #1 was any better in a certain GS final :D

Deivid23
10-10-2009, 11:20 AM
you colud add Voo de mar once but now looks like he is a fan of him:D

So true :lol:

HarryMan
10-10-2009, 11:23 AM
:lol:

Seems like those 61 63 60 and 13-7 are still hurting :D

It would if Soderling had not roasted Rafito and in the process handing Roger the RG title, and since that happened, everything is fine. :p

Coming back to this match, Nadal losing this badly is always a treat to watch. :banana::banana::banana:

Aenea
10-10-2009, 11:34 AM
It would if Soderling had not roasted Rafito and in the process handing Roger the RG title, and since that happened, everything is fine. :p

Coming back to this match, Nadal losing this badly is always a treat to watch. :banana::banana::banana:

Yeah you Fedtards should build a golden pedestal for Soderling for taking out Rafa otherwise Rogi would have still dreamed about winning FO :wavey: I know it, you know it and everyone know it. Rogi wouldn't have done it only by himself :o

Jōris
10-10-2009, 11:36 AM
I'm kind of saddened by this loss. I was really looking forward to Djokovic obliterating Nadal.

Art&Soul
10-10-2009, 11:40 AM
Yeah you Fedtards should build a golden pedestal for Soderling for taking out Rafa otherwise Rogi would have still dreamed about winning FO :wavey: I know it, you know it and everyone know it. Rogi wouldn't have done it only by himself :o

Bitter much? :wavey: Nadull get bitchslaped badly today :banana::banana:

HarryMan
10-10-2009, 11:40 AM
I'm kind of saddened by this loss. I was really looking forward to Djokovic obliterating Nadal.

:lol:

Jadranka
10-10-2009, 11:41 AM
:hearts:

Aenea
10-10-2009, 11:43 AM
Bitter much? :wavey: Nadull get bitchslaped badly today :banana::banana:

Yeah just like Rogi in 2008 FO final :wavey: only the event is way smaller and Rafa at least didn't get baggeled and didn't cry after the match :worship:

Florida
10-10-2009, 11:45 AM
i love Marin Cilic. Great win. Belive it or not I also like his chances against Nole??????!!!!

cobalt60
10-10-2009, 11:54 AM
Finally a win over a great player! After the DC match over the USA I thought he would never get going again this year! :woohoo:

Lleyton_
10-10-2009, 12:13 PM
Yeah you Fedtards should build a golden pedestal for Soderling for taking out Rafa otherwise Rogi would have still dreamed about winning FO :wavey: I know it, you know it and everyone know it. Rogi wouldn't have done it only by himself :o

The only thing I know is that Nadal was taken to the woodshed in the R16. Why? Because he was 'tired/injured/insert excuse here'. If that was the case there was no reason to believe he would beat Davydenko, gonzalez and Federer back to back. It would most likely be another Madrid final - straight sets whipping due to 'exhaustion/injury/insert excuse'. Federer won the FO with Nadal in the draw, that's all that matters. Everything else is fangirl imagination.

madmax
10-10-2009, 12:20 PM
has there ever been a match of Nadull's, when he lost and wasn't "injured" badly?:rolls::rolls:

Action Jackson
10-10-2009, 12:24 PM
:eek:

Cilic does have that game style to hurt Nadal with, but I wasn't really expecting him to win the match. Anyway, I have read on page 1 that Rafa was injured (AJ), so that obviously might have had some bearing.

Jez, I never make sarcastic remarks.

Cilic is a very hard worker and good for him he got this win, just needs to get his kick serve right and the forehand can still be a bit jerky, but that was not a problem today.

Action Jackson
10-10-2009, 12:26 PM
you colud add Voo de mar once but now looks like he is a fan of him:D

Marin laid the smackdown, but he still has his detractors of course, though Voo has softened a bit.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xEw_wnCvE_0/RxP4grDAyFI/AAAAAAAACk4/JUIxSN_bwrY/s400/sam_the_eagle.jpg

Huey84
10-10-2009, 12:53 PM
Nadal's high bounces are very troublesome for most players. Soderling, Del Potro and Cilic's height help negate this advantage. If Federer was 2-3 inches taller he would have beat Nadal at every RG final.The tall players also do well against other (poo)pushers like Murray, but 9/10 they will get taken to school by Fed or the Djoker.

I'd rather watch Nadal's unique moonballin' strokes and athletic ability than some 6' 8' lankoid bludgening every FH 100% flat because he's like 2 meters above the net chord.

ps whoever bought up Nalbandian's record against Nadal is an idiot for obvious reasons.

pps and don't try to bring up Cilic's record against Nadal because he was like 12 years old in all their previous encounters.. use your brains before making moran posts, please.

born_on_clay
10-10-2009, 12:56 PM
Cilic was too good today. He was awesome. Rafa will never win again against cilic or Del Potro with today's game :(

oranges
10-10-2009, 01:10 PM
use your brains before making moran posts, please.

Take that good advice :lol:

the only people who seem to be able to beat Nadal are the tall lankoids, which shows it's not really their skill winning it for them..

n8
10-10-2009, 01:11 PM
When Nadal looses on hard court, it is almost always a thrashing. Check out the table on the bottom of this link (http://statracket.net/?view=articles/nadalsupreme.html).

Action Jackson
10-10-2009, 01:12 PM
When Nadal looses on hard court, it is almost always a thrashing. Check out the table on the bottom of this link (http://statracket.net/?view=articles/nadalsupreme.html).

Makes sense though.

Action Jackson
10-10-2009, 01:15 PM
Take that good advice :lol:

They have made the contest with that showing. Nalbandian making Nadal look silly and yes he did it by brute power, being tall and lanky, this huey is a genius.

Btw, where are Dewey and Louie?

andylovesaustin
10-10-2009, 01:19 PM
For me, it's sad to see Rafa struggling like this for whatever reason. It's just difficult to see any champion struggle. But really, Rafa has been around a long time even though he's relatively still young in tennis years.

At the same time, it's great to see the other players stepping-up.

I just hope Rafa can handle this setback.

It's tough to tell exactly what this loss means for him. But for sure it was a great win for Cilic!

Beat
10-10-2009, 01:20 PM
Super Nadal was injured.

:haha: this is satire, right?

sawan66278
10-10-2009, 01:20 PM
I did not say otherwise :shrug:

I know...just saying: WTA-like play is not tennis...and is abused as such. Rafa...get a coach to help you with you serve: PLEASE. NOW.

sawan66278
10-10-2009, 01:31 PM
Nole girls hatred school works like a steam machine. Moto 'Only injured and humiliated Nadal is good Nadal' invented by school principal is just amazing.

Anyway, I'm glad for Marin but have to say Nadal is far from 100% sawan. He's just not phisically fine (what a crap even from you).

My point is: if you're on the court this soon after an ab injury, you're fine. Rafa's my favorite player, but I don't want to hear any more excuses. The U.S. Open? Legit. You play slams no matter what unless you cannot move: PERIOD. Even then, only address injuries when specifically asked about them. Mickey Mouse tourneys like this? If you play, no mention of injuries should EVER be used.

Again, someone please tell me the average speed of Rafa's first serve: he is getting crushed BECAUSE he cannot win cheap points on his serve. Yes, the matchup problems are there with the big guys...BUT, mentally, how much can one continue to compete against the monsters of the game when you serve like Elmo.

Corey Feldman
10-10-2009, 01:35 PM
:haha: another total pasting for the biggest fighting spartan

let me guess, injured

:lol:

Dini
10-10-2009, 01:38 PM
That's the big flaw with Spanish players IN GENERAL. Serve is not seen as a key aspect of the game it's rather seen as the starting point to a rally. Feli and Nando being the exceptions.

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 01:40 PM
dudes...match is over, it was finished couple of hours ago, this match doesnt exist anymore :lol:

time to save your energy to bash djokovic - cilic match losing finalist.

dabeast
10-10-2009, 01:45 PM
Hell to the yeah, Marin, great job! Thank you for rescuing us from the bane of tennis. Goddamn, Cilic, just Goddamn.

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 01:46 PM
expectations are high both players right now, it will be pure trashing whoever loses that final, if cilic loses ugly way it will be related to nadal automatically and nadal fans will say how badly nadal played his match.

if novak loses match everyone will say that he doesnt deserve #3 ranking and should just retire and again guys will bring up his terrible final record this year :lol:

very predictable.

Mjau!
10-10-2009, 01:49 PM
Well, at least Connors was able to win 109 tournaments including 8 Slams with such a lousy serve. It seems as though Nadal has lost power in his game, especially the serve, which is killing him agains the taller players. Somethins is wrong! he was so great early season, now unable to beat the power players.

That's probably because he's lost 12 lbs of muscle...

Vida
10-10-2009, 01:53 PM
watching the re-run now. shit, what a trashing...

habibko
10-10-2009, 01:56 PM
Nadal has been figured out?

Corey Feldman
10-10-2009, 01:57 PM
before trashing nadal and praising cilic non-stop remember these: 36 titles compared to cilic 3:bigclap: for that then

Yeah you Fedtards should build a golden pedestal for Soderling for taking out Rafa otherwise Rogi would have still dreamed about winning FO :wavey: I know it, you know it and everyone know it. Rogi wouldn't have done it only by himself :o:haha::bigclap:

Rafa was definitely not 100%. And definitely not ready yet. So, never in doubt.:haha::haha:

Bascule
10-10-2009, 01:57 PM
watching the re-run now. shit, what a trashing...

I'm watching too. Pathetic. I don't know can anyone think he will win the title next week.

Vida
10-10-2009, 01:59 PM
I'm watching too. Pathetic. I don't know can anyone think he will win the title next week.

I have faith in nadal. he was written off too many times before. but looking at this season, there is ground for speculating his career HC adventure is nearing its close.

Burrow
10-10-2009, 02:03 PM
That's probably because he's lost 12 lbs of muscle...

Muscle mass does not equal power. Strength is a basis for power and muscle mass does not equal strength, you idiot.

And to the fool saying "remember these = cilic 3 titles, nadal 36"

What does that have to do with this match?

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 02:06 PM
fanboys will be happy couple of days but thats it, next tournament is already next week

Bascule
10-10-2009, 02:06 PM
I have faith in nadal. he was written off too many times before. but looking at this season, there is ground for speculating his career HC adventure is nearing its close.

Sure...for now. But next year he's back. Just a too big fighter to leave it this way. He certainly won't defend AO title.

Riffrizzle
10-10-2009, 02:07 PM
When Nadal looses on hard court, it is almost always a thrashing. Check out the table on the bottom of this link (http://statracket.net/?view=articles/nadalsupreme.html).

I remembered reading that whilst watching the match today. Interesting stuff.

Btw, keep on updating the site Statracket, I really enjoy it.

andylovesaustin
10-10-2009, 02:09 PM
I think it's that darn outfit Nadal's wearing!

I think that sort of outfit is symbolic of his game. It's like now, he wants to "corporate" or something like that, hence the preppie look! :lol: I read he wanted to have a more mature image, but now he's playing more mature--not with the same abandon.

I'm not suggesting he go back to his other look. I'm just suggesting his current look reflects a less warrior type approach. I tell ya what... with Nadal, it's like making it to #1 was not the best thing for him mentally.

It's just weird...

Foxy
10-10-2009, 02:19 PM
Who said Rafa was injured? :retard:

He just got outplayed on HC, which allways happened even in his better times :shrug:

He looked so heartless :(

Yeap, that's why I said he was not 100% (into the match). Someone misread it as - he is injured. He just came back again on tour for the n-th time after injury. You can't be even close to the 100%. Give him a break. :)

Bascule
10-10-2009, 02:22 PM
I think it's that darn outfit Nadal's wearing!

I think that sort of outfit is symbolic of his game.

I just wanted to say the same. It bothers me even more now watching him playing in the spirit of his pants (like a clown).:(

Vida
10-10-2009, 02:27 PM
Sure...for now. But next year he's back. Just a too big fighter to leave it this way. He certainly won't defend AO title.

I'll remember you said that.:p

oranges
10-10-2009, 02:32 PM
Yeap, that's why I said he was not 100% (into the match). Someone misread it as - he is injured. He just came back again on tour for the n-th time after injury. You can't be even close to the 100%. Give him a break. :)

And that's not an even lamer excuse? He wasn't into the match when Youzhny obliterated him at the beginning of last season with no injuries/comeback to speak of, it's what happens when you can't find your way into the match because the opponent is outplaying you, full stop. It's not that hard a thing to live with, happens to the best of them. In Nadal's case, it happened far too many times on HC throughout years to keep coming with excuses each and every time. :rolleyes:

Burrow
10-10-2009, 02:34 PM
And that's not an even lamer excuse? He wasn't into the match when Youzhny obliterated him at the beginning of last season with no injuries/comeback to speak of, it's what happens when you can't find your way into the match because the opponent is outplaying you, full stop. It's not that hard a thing to live with, happens to the best of them. In Nadal's case, it happened far too many times on HC throughout years to keep coming with excuses each and every time. :rolleyes:

:lol: Nadal finished an epic against Moya really late, no wonder he got screwed by Youzhny.

Skyward
10-10-2009, 02:36 PM
Nadal has been figured out?

By 6'6'' players

Machiavelli
10-10-2009, 02:36 PM
:lol: Nadal finished an epic against Moya really late, no wonder he got screwed by Youzhny.

playing an epic match on hard courts with ''grandpa no bh loverboy Moya'' says it all, no serious player need 3 long sets to get a win against Moya

Burrow
10-10-2009, 02:40 PM
playing an epic match on hard courts with ''grandpa no bh loverboy Moya'' says it all, no serious player need 3 long sets to get a win against Moya

Did you even see the match? Anyway, it makes no difference if it was against Jesse Levine.

oranges
10-10-2009, 02:41 PM
:lol: Nadal finished an epic against Moya really late, no wonder he got screwed by Youzhny.

Wow, impressive, both the fact that he needed that long to beat the Umag King and the fact that he won 1 game the next day. It takes excuses to a whole new level. Foxy thanks you for coming up with that one. It might be useful for a number of similar trashings.

SheepleBuster
10-10-2009, 02:54 PM
what to say? i am shocked :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
i am so happy. especially because win against murray wasn't accidental
cilic was amazing. i think after this amazing performances against murray and nadal... huuuh,it's seems he is ready for big things.

Yes. That's what happens when a real talent meets a guy who has no talent and runs a lot. Nadal thinks that just because he beat James freaking Blake, he should walk through the field. And my butt Nadal doesn't make excuses. He made all the exuses:

Cilic is good, is young and has a very good serve but if you are losing 6-1 6-3 there are a lot of things you are doing wrong

Right! Time to retire bull boy. Maybe the Van Gog painting that you bought for millions will ease your pain.

Manon
10-10-2009, 02:59 PM
Yes. That's what happens when a real talent meets a guy who has no talent and runs a lot. Nadal thinks that just because he beat James freaking Blake, he should walk through the field. And my butt Nadal doesn't make excuses. He made all the exuses:


Right! Time to retire bull boy. Maybe the Van Gog painting that you bought for millions will ease your pain.
:confused:

You're really piece of work.

Sapeod
10-10-2009, 03:02 PM
YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! !!!!!!!!!

Thank you Cilic :worship:

Great play.

FiBeR
10-10-2009, 03:11 PM
A New Era is here..

rubbERR
10-10-2009, 03:13 PM
A New Era is here..

age difference between these guys is only 2 years :lol:

Guy Haines
10-10-2009, 03:21 PM
Great to see Marin finally delivering upon his talent this year. 2009 had kind of been a disappointment going into the USO. He's going to be interesting to follow at the Australian, because that's where he broke through on the tour. Like Del Potro, Marin is underrated on clay as well, tho he didn't play that well on the surface this year. His game is a work in progress. When he won the French in juniors and got some good clay results early on the ATP tour, he wasn't as big physically - he's on his way to building the kind of huge and solid future tennis Del Potro is bringing.

A Marin-Djokovic final has a lot of potential. Their USO match in 08 was frequently great.

Rafa is floundering. Jury's out on whether he'll be a hard court contender again. But even if he never won another hard court tourney, he'll never lose enough for MTF haters who are weirdly bitter and obsessed with him. When he won the Australian he had more aggression in his game than any other time in hardcourts, including Beijing Olympics, where his win over Djokovic was kinda Arantxa-esque. That's the only way he'll win on hard courts again as a new generation asserts itself. But even if his game has working aggressive elements, they're nowhere as big as Marin's and Juan Martin's.

FiBeR
10-10-2009, 03:32 PM
age difference between these guys is only 2 years :lol:

Nadal bloomed early.. Same with Hewitt.. he is a player from a different era from the same generation as Federer.. am i right?

Same here.. Nadal belongs to 2005-9 peak generation. Federer peaked in 2003.. Hewitt did that in 2000 .. :p

Del Potro, Murray, Djokovic, Cilic belong to a different generation from Fedal even though they were born close to Nadal's birthday... same with Hewitt and Federer

Arkulari
10-10-2009, 03:37 PM
Great to see Marin finally delivering upon his talent this year. 2009 had kind of been a disappointment going into the USO. He's going to be interesting to follow at the Australian, because that's where he broke through on the tour. Like Del Potro, Marin is underrated on clay as well, tho he didn't play that well on the surface this year. His game is a work in progress. When he won the French in juniors and got some good clay results early on the ATP tour, he wasn't as big physically - he's on his way to building the kind of huge and solid future tennis Del Potro is bringing.

A Marin-Djokovic final has a lot of potential. Their USO match in 08 was frequently great.

Rafa is floundering. Jury's out on whether he'll be a hard court contender again. But even if he never won another hard court tourney, he'll never lose enough for MTF haters who are weirdly bitter and obsessed with him. When he won the Australian he had more aggression in his game than any other time in hardcourts, including Beijing Olympics, where his win over Djokovic was kinda Arantxa-esque. That's the only way he'll win on hard courts again as a new generation asserts itself. But even if his game has working aggressive elements, they're nowhere as big as Marin's and Juan Martin's.

as usual Guy, you're the voice of reason :yeah: :)

Rafa can attack, but he's not an agressive player by nature and that's a liability in HC if you're playing big guys like Cilic or Del Potro who have huge groundstrokes and won't allow you to push back

Burrow
10-10-2009, 03:37 PM
Nadal bloomed early.. Same with Hewitt.. he is a player from a different era from the same generation as Federer.. am i right?

Same here.. Nadal belongs to 2005-9 peak generation. Federer peaked in 2003.. Hewitt did that in 2000 .. :p

Del Potro, Murray, Djokovic, Cilic belong to a different generation from Fedal even though they were born close to Nadal's birthday... same with Hewitt and Federer

Federer didn't peak in 2003, he won one slam in 2003, he peaked from 2004-2006.

And Hewitt peaked in 2001-2002.

SheepleBuster
10-10-2009, 03:41 PM
:confused:

You're really piece of work.

Listen. I see it fair. He did buy a painting for millions of dollars and he claims he cares about people. What the heck man. Elitist.

Arkulari
10-10-2009, 03:46 PM
http://skepticalteacher.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/facepalm.jpg

FiBeR
10-10-2009, 03:49 PM
Federer didn't peak in 2003, he won one slam in 2003, he peaked from 2004-2006.

And Hewitt peaked in 2001-2002.

whatever..there is still a 3 years diff between hewitt and federer (huge in tennis terms)

btw federer won his first slam in 2003 and peaked at the TMC with total demolition ...it was in 2004 when he drew attention but i kind of think he peaked at the Houston TMC with a display of amazing tennis.. care to check the record if you dont remember? you re right about hewitt though..

shotgun
10-10-2009, 03:53 PM
:lol:

Just shows how bad Safin was yesterday.

andylovesaustin
10-10-2009, 03:54 PM
Listen. I see it fair. He did buy a painting for millions of dollars and he claims he cares about people. What the heck man. Elitist.

Are you talking about Nadal? He bought a painting?

You know... Nadal comes from an upper-socio-economic family, correct? He seems like a nice guy, and I would imagine does his share of charity, but hey...he's got the money to "invest"? in a painting if he wants to, I would imagine. I would imagine his family has always had the money to invest in art. He came from an "advantaged" background anyway from what I've read.

As far as his popularity, IF his success is on the decline, nobody can take away his achievements. He's done alright for himself. He's given a lot of fans something to cheer about and won numerous titles, setting records only very few have ever accomplished.

I'm really not sure what the future holds for Rafa. It's really too soon to tell if he'll be able to come back. However, like him and his game or not, one has to respect his accomplishments. He deserves a little bit of credit for that.

I really don't know if this trend marks a new era. It sure seems like it's an emerging era, with a Federer v Nadal rivalry a thing of the past, with other players being contenders as well. I think it's exciting to see men's tennis becoming a little more wide open.

SheepleBuster
10-10-2009, 04:01 PM
Are you talking about Nadal? He bought a painting?

You know... Nadal comes from an upper-socio-economic family, correct? He seems like a nice guy, and I would imagine does his share of charity, but hey...he's got the money to "invest"? in a painting if he wants to, I would imagine. I would imagine his family has always had the money to invest in art. He came from an "advantaged" background anyway from what I've read.

As far as his popularity, IF his success is on the decline, nobody can take away his achievements. He's done alright for himself. He's given a lot of fans something to cheer about and won numerous titles, setting records only very few have ever accomplished.

I'm really not sure what the future holds for Rafa. It's really too soon to tell if he'll be able to come back. However, like him and his game or not, one has to respect his accomplishments. He deserves a little bit of credit for that.

I really don't know if this trend marks a new era. It sure seems like it's an emerging era, with a Federer v Nadal rivalry a thing of the past, with other players being contenders as well. I think it's exciting to see men's tennis becoming a little more wide open.

Oh I have no doubt Rafa is a nice guy. But I just hate it when guys claim to be doing so much good when they can be doing more. It's not just Rafa though. But the media, ESPN, and all these TV guys try to make athletes into something they are not. Hope Rafa comes back but right now he loses matches to younger folks. That's just a fact. Del Potro twice, Cilic, and there are a bunch of other guys that can beat him these days. But not blake, Safin or guys like that.

andylovesaustin
10-10-2009, 04:07 PM
Oh I have no doubt Rafa is a nice guy. But I just hate it when guys claim to be doing so much good when they can be doing more. It's not just Rafa though. But the media, ESPN, and all these TV guys try to make athletes into something they are not. Hope Rafa comes back but right now he loses matches to younger folks. That's just a fact. Del Potro twice, Cilic, and there are a bunch of other guys that can beat him these days. But not blake, Safin or guys like that.

Doesn't he have a charity? He has a foundation, like a lot of other players. I mean, he's a multimillionaire, so for him I don't think dropping a million on a painting is that bad. Hey.. it's more of an investment to buy a Van Gogh than it would be to buy some hot car. At least he has an appreciation for art.

The ONLY tennis player I have ever heard of giving it all up for the people is that Andrea Jaegar? I read an article, she gave up everything to become a nun, and all her money has gone to charity.

There might be more, but I haven't heard of many tennis players or other celebrities for that matter giving everything to the people. Most keep enough to maintain a certain lifestyle, from what I can tell.

MalwareDie
10-10-2009, 04:18 PM
:haha:

Vamos!

:haha:

No game.

QFT

Guy Haines
10-10-2009, 04:24 PM
Listen. I see it fair. He did buy a painting for millions of dollars and he claims he cares about people. What the heck man. Elitist.

I love it that Rafa bought a Van Gogh painting. It says more about his feelings than you think. Definitely keep me posted on his offcourt activities. :yeah:

Buying a Van Gogh, a Harley, and a place in the Dominican Republic are all interesting acts, esp in comparison to most boring ATP players -- more interesting than his play of late.

Certinfy
10-10-2009, 04:26 PM
Cilic has a positive H2H against Rafa now :rocker2:

andylovesaustin
10-10-2009, 04:33 PM
I love it that Rafa bought a Van Gogh painting. It says more about his feelings than you think. Definitely keep me posted on his offcourt activities. :yeah:

Buying a Van Gogh, a Harley, and a place in the Dominican Republic are all interesting acts, esp in comparison to most boring ATP players -- more interesting than his play of late.

Oooo he has a Harley? Cool! I also didn't know about his new place. I thought he lived at home with his parents! :lol:

I don't keep current on a lot of the personal stuff, so I'm always a day late and a dollar short.

It's all pretty interesting though.

For sure he doesn't have a personal dresser--or fashion consultant. There's no doubt he needs some assistance in that area from time to time!

FedFan_2007
10-10-2009, 04:35 PM
Well this was a very unexpected result. I guess Cilic isn't a fluke after all. Congrats to Nole on the title though ;)

GlennMirnyi
10-10-2009, 04:40 PM
:haha:

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/uncle-sam/images/stop-whining.jpg

Guy Haines
10-10-2009, 04:41 PM
Cilic has a positive H2H against Rafa now :rocker2:

Yes -- that's maybe the biggest reason why this result is noteworthy, even if it's off-season.

Nothing like this result to make some of MTF's biggest addicts and "comedians" suddenly like Marin or his contribution to the wellness of the sport. :lol: Don't know whether to credit Gu for not following suit, though this might be the first time he's ever posted about Cilic without using the word 'mug.'

Marin played superb today. In the first set he was sublime. He was yanking Nadal around like a rag doll -- even more effortlessly than Del Potro did at the USO.

Really looking forward to the final.

andylovesaustin
10-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Yes -- that's maybe the biggest reason why this result is noteworthy, even if it's off-season.

Nothing like this result to make some of MTF's biggest addicts and "comedians" suddenly like Marin or his contribution to the wellness of the sport. :lol: Don't know whether to credit Gu for not following suit, though this might be the first time he's ever posted about Cilic without using the word 'mug.'

Marin played superb today. In the first set he was sublime. He was yanking Nadal around like a rag doll -- even more effortlessly than Del Potro did at the USO.

Really looking forward to the final.

I think the players who can are really punishing Rafa's game. They are forcing him to run when I'm not sure if he's as capable or willing as he once was. Rafa might very well be picking when to go all out for shots, and players are going to take advantage of the fact Rafa isn't going to go after everything anymore with the abandon he once had.

Bascule
10-10-2009, 04:50 PM
Listen. I see it fair. He did buy a painting for millions of dollars and he claims he cares about people. What the heck man. Elitist.

Interesting. And fair enough. I would love to have one too. Which one he bought?

Orbis
10-10-2009, 04:57 PM
Wow, great win for Cilic, let's see if he can carry his recent form onto next year. :yeah:

ReturnWinner
10-10-2009, 05:24 PM
Good job Marin, we have a new roaster, as Del Pony he has great power and deep in his shots and good consistency plus a big serve and his bh is a two handed one and, great game against Nadull.
This win should give him very much confidence.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-10-2009, 06:01 PM
Seems that Rafa's downhill has started :scared:

:lol:

Just shows how bad Safin was yesterday.

And shows how disinterested was Gonzo vs Marat thinking about facing Rafa once again :shrug:

superslam77
10-10-2009, 06:15 PM
I love it that Rafa bought a Van Gogh painting. It says more about his feelings than you think. Definitely keep me posted on his offcourt activities. :yeah:

Buying a Van Gogh, a Harley, and a place in the Dominican Republic are all interesting acts, esp in comparison to most boring ATP players -- more interesting than his play of late.

What!!! Nadull has a place here :o ?

That's it i'm going back to Italia :wavey:

SheepleBuster
10-10-2009, 06:36 PM
Oooo he has a Harley? Cool! I also didn't know about his new place. I thought he lived at home with his parents! :lol:

I don't keep current on a lot of the personal stuff, so I'm always a day late and a dollar short.

It's all pretty interesting though.

For sure he doesn't have a personal dresser--or fashion consultant. There's no doubt he needs some assistance in that area from time to time!

The only reason I heard about it was because MSNBC reported on it. They had an interview with Rafa on how he loves art work and how that was not his only painting. It could be a tax thing too. I don't know the rules in Spain. Oh well. I don't expect him, or Roger, or Roddick to become monks or whatever. But I think TV is making these guys to be these heroes that they are not. Tennis players are much better than other athletes though. I mean Tiger is a douche.

Arkulari
10-10-2009, 06:38 PM
how does a painting lower your taxes? the foundation does, but the paintings? unless he has a museum a la Thyssen-Bornemisza, it just won't :shrug:

Vida
10-10-2009, 06:40 PM
Seems that Rafa's downhill has started :scared:

so many of these comments....

SheepleBuster
10-10-2009, 06:42 PM
how does a painting lower your taxes? the foundation does, but the paintings? unless he has a museum a la Thyssen-Bornemisza, it just won't :shrug:

Well. There are tax loop holes everywhere. I have no idea though how things work in Europe. So if you say it doesn't, maybe it doesn't

budgieman
10-10-2009, 06:45 PM
Marin was brilliant today- best match ive seen in ages, good luck for the final!

tangerine_dream
10-10-2009, 06:57 PM
Spaniard why don't you fight? :sad: We all have to fight.

Corey Feldman
10-10-2009, 06:58 PM
Rafa and his paintings can go and F.O

6 slam wonder

Johnny Groove
10-10-2009, 07:21 PM
Lots of hate in this thread for the guy.

I didn't see the match, but the gameplan to beat Nadal, especially on quicker surfaces has always been known. It's all about who can execute. Soderling, JMDP x2, Djokovic, and Cilic have all beaten Nadal in his last 5 tournaments, and they all executed the same gameplan to perfection.

Nadal fought of course, but when you're not the better player on the day, you will lose.

I don't buy any injury bullshit. He was simply outplayed.

Mjau!
10-11-2009, 12:49 AM
Muscle mass does not equal power. Strength is a basis for power and muscle mass does not equal strength, you idiot.

And to the fool saying "remember these = cilic 3 titles, nadal 36"

What does that have to do with this match?

If you weren't such a dullard with the reading comprehension of a retarded 8 year old, you would realize that I never claimed that muscle mass = strength - that would be silly. What would be equally silly is to claim that muscle mass is irrelevant to absolute strength. Such an assertion could easily be refuted. Therefore, if an athlete loses a substantial amount of muscle mass and some strength, it is reasonable to assume that the latter is probably caused by the former. It certainly seems like a simple explanation and to suggest that such a statement is idiotic is quite frankly laughable.

leng jai
10-11-2009, 12:51 AM
I didn't have to watch the match do know Rafael was injured and nowhere near 100%. Get well soon! :hug:

star
10-11-2009, 01:03 AM
Well. There are tax loop holes everywhere. I have no idea though how things work in Europe. So if you say it doesn't, maybe it doesn't

It sounds like an investment rather than a tax dodge. Of course, some investments can work to protect taxes. I don't know about Spain, but if one is not taxed on personal belongings or if one is not taxed on the appreciation of personal belongings, buying the work of a well know painter whose paintings hold value and have appreciated over time could work to shield some taxes, I suppose, but compared to his entire income, it couldn't shield very much -- considering he would have already paid taxes on the income that purchased the painting.

Sapeod
10-11-2009, 01:09 AM
HAHAHAHA. Nadal got spanked.

Nadal sucks. Losing to Cilic like this :haha:

Retire piggy :retard:

star
10-11-2009, 01:16 AM
The ONLY tennis player I have ever heard of giving it all up for the people is that Andrea Jaegar? I read an article, she gave up everything to become a nun, and all her money has gone to charity.


Andrea Jaeger operated a charity for children for many years before she became a nun. She became an anglican nun and not a catholic nun. She still operates the foundation. http://www.silverliningfoundation.org/welcome.htm I think this has morphed into the Little Star Foundation http://www.littlestar.org/whoweare.html but that the ranch is called the Silver Lining Ranch. It's in Aspen, Colorado.

star
10-11-2009, 01:19 AM
:confused:

You're really piece of work.

Sorry. Can't rep you anymore. :lol:

Clay Death
10-11-2009, 01:39 AM
I didn't have to watch the match do know Rafael was injured and nowhere near 100%. Get well soon! :hug:


affirmative. this is not the clay monster we know. he is clearly struggling at the moment. the form, the fitness, and the confidence is less than optimal for him at the moment.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/claydeath/v_strelok080100018.jpg

Sunset of Age
10-11-2009, 01:42 AM
I don't buy any injury bullshit. He was simply outplayed.

Words of Wisdom. Or at least, words from someone who knows what he's talking about.

rubbERR
10-11-2009, 01:48 AM
Nadull was hitting everything short like he usually does, James Blake should have seal the deal already beginning of the week.

sawan66278
10-11-2009, 03:39 AM
I have faith in nadal. he was written off too many times before. but looking at this season, there is ground for speculating his career HC adventure is nearing its close.

Vida...you may be right. Again...the serve will lead to victory...or complete humiliation time and time again.

I just wanted to say the same. It bothers me even more now watching him playing in the spirit of his pants (like a clown).:(

Well said, Commander.

One other point: why has Rafa almost COMPLETELY abandoned his net play. His number of approaches over the last few months make Ivan Lendl look like Stefan Edberg.

sawan66278
10-11-2009, 03:40 AM
affirmative. this is not the clay monster we know. he is clearly struggling at the moment. the form, the fitness, and the confidence is less than optimal for him at the moment.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/claydeath/v_strelok080100018.jpg

Affirmative. Which is why a victory in the Davis Cup final should be all he needs to get all those things back...starting with his confidence.

Arkulari
10-11-2009, 03:42 AM
you answered your own question sawan, his net play decreased at the same time his confidence did, Rafa is not an attacking player by nature and will attack only when he feels confident enough to do so, if he stays 3 meters behind the baseline in fast hardcourts against people with big, solid groundstrokes and a decent ROS, he'll pay the price :shrug:

hilluis
10-11-2009, 05:38 AM
The only reason I heard about it was because MSNBC reported on it. They had an interview with Rafa on how he loves art work and how that was not his only painting. It could be a tax thing too. I don't know the rules in Spain. Oh well. I don't expect him, or Roger, or Roddick to become monks or whatever. But I think TV is making these guys to be these heroes that they are not. Tennis players are much better than other athletes though. I mean Tiger is a douche.


Where is the link to Nadal owning a van Gogh painting? I have read that his favourite spanish band is La Oreja de Van Gogh.....

scarecrows
10-11-2009, 06:44 AM
bitchslapped :drool:

TMJordan
10-11-2009, 06:53 AM
RAfa Sucks

oranges
10-11-2009, 07:49 AM
HAHAHAHA. Nadal got spanked.

Nadal sucks. Losing to Cilic like this :haha:

Retire piggy :retard:

Does this mean the brat will retire too? :hearts:

Dini
10-11-2009, 08:24 AM
My sarcasm detector clearly must be more off than it usually is. Here was me thinking leng jai was sarcastic.

They're replaying the match again now, and apparently Nadal only won 2 points by 5-0 in the first set. :scratch:

hisham70
10-11-2009, 10:50 AM
Nadal got injured, again.

leng jai
10-11-2009, 12:30 PM
My sarcasm detector clearly must be more off than it usually is. Here was me thinking leng jai was sarcastic.

They're replaying the match again now, and apparently Nadal only won 2 points by 5-0 in the first set. :scratch:

I'm never sarcastic babe.

ballbasher101
10-11-2009, 01:06 PM
There are a few players coming up who don't mind playing Nadal. The Spaniard is going to find life tougher with the likes of Del-Pony and Cilic improving all the time.

rocketassist
10-11-2009, 05:56 PM
Cilic is a Del Potro clone, however Del Potro is more conservative and Cilic more erratic/spectacular.

rocketassist
10-11-2009, 06:03 PM
These people saying Nadal's serve is off..Nadal's serve is nothing anyway!

HKz
10-11-2009, 06:10 PM
affirmative. this is not the clay monster we know. he is clearly struggling at the moment. the form, the fitness, and the confidence is less than optimal for him at the moment.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/claydeath/v_strelok080100018.jpg

Negative ol' sport. This is the clay monster we know.

Cheers mate, drink up.

http://inpursuitofperfection.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/poison-bottle_0.jpg

http://www.nationalspatula.com/assets/cowboy%20hat.jpg

Start da Game
10-11-2009, 06:16 PM
affirmative. this is not the clay monster we know. he is clearly struggling at the moment. the form, the fitness, and the confidence is less than optimal for him at the moment.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/claydeath/v_strelok080100018.jpg

hence this defeat has zero importance and it talks very little about his hardcourt capabilities in the future.......we all know why he is losing at the moment.......

madmax
10-11-2009, 06:36 PM
hence this defeat has zero importance and it talks very little about his hardcourt capabilities in the future.......we all know why he is losing at the moment.......

yup - we all know he blows on hardcourts, it has been proven time and time again...his AO victory was the biggest grand slam fluke of all time

Foxy
10-11-2009, 06:55 PM
yup - we all know he blows on hardcourts, it has been proven time and time again...his AO victory was the biggest grand slam fluke of all time

It still hurts, 'ini?

Sapeod
10-11-2009, 06:56 PM
It still hurts, 'ini?
no, but nadal's ass must after this spanking.

Foxy
10-11-2009, 07:10 PM
no, but nadal's ass must after this spanking.

I guess, like Murray's wrist?! :)

Sapeod
10-11-2009, 09:04 PM
I guess, like Murray's wrist?! :)
Murray's wrist wasn't screwed by another player :)

Johnny Groove
10-11-2009, 09:21 PM
Murray's wrist wasn't screwed by another player :)

You're right.

He screwed it himself.

Corey Feldman
10-11-2009, 10:49 PM
It still hurts, 'ini?as much as Roland Garros 2009 will hurt all you Nadal fanboys for the rest of your lives :D

luie
10-11-2009, 10:54 PM
as much as Roland Garros 2009 will hurt all you Nadal fanboys for the rest of your lives :D
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

rocketassist
10-11-2009, 10:57 PM
as much as Roland Garros 2009 will hurt all you Nadal fanboys for the rest of your lives :D

Exactly, their hatred for Robin Soderling is one of the bitterest, most childish grudges ever seen and only matched by Liverpool fans' anger at the cheek of the club who dismissed their legend that is John Barnes as manager.

luie
10-11-2009, 10:57 PM
So the end of the talentless grinding moonballer is finally here at the hands of these giants of the game,6-6 delpo, cilic,6-4,soderking ,Murray.& other flat hitters that crush his moonballs.Tennis may finally have a future.

star
10-11-2009, 11:01 PM
as much as Roland Garros 2009 will hurt all you Nadal fanboys for the rest of your lives :D

Nah. Saw that coming from miles away.

Nothing will ever be to Rafa fans as Wimbledon 08 and AO 09 are to Fed fans. :wavey:

rocketassist
10-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Nah. Saw that coming from miles away.

Nothing will ever be to Rafa fans as Wimbledon 08 and AO 09 are to Fed fans. :wavey:

Why? Fed still won the record number of slams plus career slam, whilst both players have their glory hunter fanboys, why would Fed fans lose sleep over those matches?

luie
10-11-2009, 11:06 PM
Nah. Saw that coming from miles away.

Nothing will ever be to Rafa fans as Wimbledon 08 and AO 09 are to Fed fans. :wavey:
Nope the FO was much much better because of what it meant to a certain swiss players career & legacy.;)

Corey Feldman
10-11-2009, 11:08 PM
sorry star but..

Career GS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some 3 seperate slam beggar

prima donna
10-11-2009, 11:08 PM
Exactly, their hatred for Robin Soderling is one of the bitterest, most childish grudges ever seen.
You don't say.

rocketassist
10-11-2009, 11:10 PM
You don't say.

Hmmmmm....you being serious?

prima donna
10-11-2009, 11:16 PM
Hmmmmm....you being serious?
It's my way of acknowledging a statement which points to the obvious.

Speaking of which, that very phrase was my only contribution to the Soderling/Nadal Roland Garros thread as well. Does not such a fact somewhat undermine the idea of bitterness with regard to Roger's losses at Wimbledon and in Australia ?

Who gives a damn -- Nadal is just another player, albeit a declining one.

rocketassist
10-11-2009, 11:19 PM
It's my way of acknowledging a statement which points to the obvious.

Speaking of which, that very phrase was my only contribution to the Soderling/Nadal Roland Garros thread as well. Does not such a fact somewhat undermine the idea of bitterness with regard to Roger's losses at Wimbledon and in Australia ?

Who gives a damn -- Nadal is just another player, albeit a declining one.

Fed's fans I've always found to be less bitter although that's perhaps down to the fact he has the career slam and the slam record and doesn't really need to prove anything else.

luie
10-11-2009, 11:19 PM
The "raging bull" can't run much longer.HA!HA!

prima donna
10-11-2009, 11:33 PM
Fed's fans I've always found to be less bitter although that's perhaps down to the fact he has the career slam and the slam record and doesn't really need to prove anything else.
Well, that's part of it, another component is the general mentality that pervades the minds of Nadal supporters. Most of them are under the illusion that sane Federer fans consider Nadal anything other than a distraction from history.

Again, there is a schism between aesthetes and philistines. One group just wants to see beautiful tennis, while the other just wants to see unforced errors. The latter would have felt at home during the times of the Roman Empire -- tennis players fighting to the death.

Johnny Groove
10-12-2009, 01:30 AM
Fed's fans I've always found to be less bitter although that's perhaps down to the fact he has the career slam and the slam record and doesn't really need to prove anything else.

True. When Fed lost Wimbledon and AO, I couldn't believe some of the shit I was reading on here. It was as if the apocalypse had descended on the tennis world. :rolleyes:

The Soderling loss changed tennis this year. Since then, Nadal has been written off and his career is over, while Federer is being anointed as the Greatest of all Time.

Well, that's part of it, another component is the general mentality that pervades the minds of Nadal supporters. Most of them are under the illusion that sane Federer fans consider Nadal anything other than a distraction from history.

Again, there is a schism between aesthetes and philistines. One group just wants to see beautiful tennis, while the other just wants to see unforced errors. The latter would have felt at home during the times of the Roman Empire -- tennis players fighting to the death.

I see the Federer-Nadal rivalry and the subsequent rivalry of their fanbases to be nothing more than a further manifestation of the classic rivalry between the bourgeoise and the aristocracy.

Action Jackson
10-12-2009, 01:39 AM
as much as Roland Garros 2009 will hurt all you Nadal fanboys for the rest of your lives :D

That one won't die down at all.

It's the just classic MTF overreaction in reality.

Clay Death
10-12-2009, 01:41 AM
The "raging bull" can't run much longer.HA!HA!


watch and learn buffoon. he just needs a little time. 3 exits from the sport in a single year has left him a little behind the curve but there is not better fighter around. he will fight and he will win again. that is just the way of the warrior.

again, watch and learn since its evident that you have learned nothing so far. only a loser would take delight in his injuries. a loser of the highest order, that is.


http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/claydeath/v_strelok080100018.jpg

HKz
10-12-2009, 04:04 AM
watch and learn buffoon. he just needs a little time. 3 exits from the sport in a single year has left him a little behind the curve but there is not better fighter around. he will fight and he will win again. that is just the way of the warrior.

again, watch and learn since its evident that you have learned nothing so far. only a loser would take delight in his injuries. a loser of the highest order, that is.


http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/claydeath/v_strelok080100018.jpg

Negative ol' sport.

Cheers mate, drink up.

http://inpursuitofperfection.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/poison-bottle_0.jpg

http://www.nationalspatula.com/assets/cowboy%20hat.jpg

Guy Haines
10-12-2009, 05:49 AM
Pure aestheticism tends to have fascist manifestations. Pure philistines have a weakness for pure aestheticism. only pompous windbags go around ascribing characteristics to groups of people. Or propagandists.

Federer only has something to do with this thread if you're obsessed with him and use him to define the sport of tennis and put down other players. A blinkered perspective that makes for all manner of boring reading from various posters on this thread.

Cilic was superb for stretches of the semifinal, but he doesn't have anything close to Del Potro's technical solidity or mental resolve, at least yet. And I tend to doubt he'll be as solid mentally as Juan Martin in the next year.

It seems safe to predict that *some* Federer fans will natter on about him at every opportunity ten years from now and use him to bitch about future generations, or pine for the golden or gold trim years. In that sense his game has conservative retrograde connotations.

Nadal will have more highlights in his career, even if he's peaked. Reading MTF for just a little while it's easy to become immune to all the shit posted about him, even if the robotic addict tenacity and predictability of it is almost amazing. I can't speak for others who like him, but I've never coveted Federer's career for him, I just want him to play well and with spirit. Which is why the current period isn't a pleasure.

Start da Game
10-12-2009, 01:50 PM
watch and learn buffoon. he just needs a little time. 3 exits from the sport in a single year has left him a little behind the curve but there is not better fighter around. he will fight and he will win again. that is just the way of the warrior.

again, watch and learn since its evident that you have learned nothing so far. only a loser would take delight in his injuries. a loser of the highest order, that is.


http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/claydeath/v_strelok080100018.jpg

let them feel glad and enjoy bitching him when he is down with injuries......they have had enough nightmares of the greatest fighter in the history of the sport.......once he returns the next season, they won't have much to cheer anyway, they will be back to the weeping mode......it is a widely known truth that federer usually wins only rafael's left over.......like that french open 09 and wimbledon 09, b grade slams.......rafael wins by gunning down their god himself, like that wimbledon 08 and AO 09.......warrior-like.......

Ichiban1920
10-12-2009, 05:00 PM
Nadull has ruined the game of tennis since he first stepped onto the court professionally. His one-dimensional no skill no talent moonballing from 20 feet behind the baseline is beyond pathetic.

Sapeod
10-12-2009, 05:03 PM
i just keep laughing at this result. really pathetic.

FanTsonga
09-27-2013, 06:28 PM
what to say? i am shocked :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
i am so happy. especially because win against murray wasn't accidental
cilic was amazing. i think after this amazing performances against murray and nadal... huuuh,it's seems he is ready for big things.

Like?

Sham Kay
09-27-2013, 06:29 PM
Like?

Like getting this thread closed.