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Let's recognise that Murray is on fire.....

Black Adam
08-26-2009, 11:59 AM
Since 1990 30 players have won GS's.

Only 17 peoples have won 4+ Masters series events over their whole career.


Murray won 4 in a 12 month period. That's a far harder thing to do than winning a slam. Thomas johanson, Gaston Gaudio, Albert costa have 1 Masters series between them for example.


So please stop saying he isn't going to deliver on the Main stage (slams) because it's in the effing.


Discuss

fsoica
08-26-2009, 12:04 PM
he'll become GOAT within 5 years...satisfied ?

HattonWBA
08-26-2009, 12:06 PM
Is there any need for as many Murray threads as there are. He is a world class player and winning 4 master series titles is very impressive indeed, but he is ultimatley going to be judged on his grand slam record due to his ranking, hype and the fact that he has won every other kind of title outside of those events.

chenx15
08-26-2009, 12:13 PM
Is there any need for as many Murray threads as there are. He is a world class player and winning 4 master series titles is very impressive indeed, but he is ultimatley going to be judged on his grand slam record due to his ranking, hype and the fact that he has won every other kind of title outside of those events.

Quite true

fsoica
08-26-2009, 12:35 PM
still has to prove himself on clay and on GS tourneys, though...

buzz
08-26-2009, 12:40 PM
The last 5 years only 4 players(Safin rafa djoko fed) have won gs, more (atleast safin rafa djok fed and murray)won 4+master series. times changed? But it looks like Murray will win atleast 1 GS

bokehlicious
08-26-2009, 12:46 PM
Haha I love those Murray bashing threads... :D

Ad Wim
08-26-2009, 12:50 PM
So please stop saying he isn't going to deliver on the Main stage (slams) because it's in the effing.

Discuss

:haha:

orangehat
08-26-2009, 12:52 PM
If it makes you feel better :shrug: Believe that Murray will win a slam.

Me, I will rejoice every day till the day he wins one :lol:

Action Jackson
08-26-2009, 12:52 PM
Hahahahaha, Slams count for more, not hard to work out. Asafa Powell has the most sub 10 sec 100m races, but how many majors does he have? Nowt.

Iván
08-26-2009, 01:05 PM
Well, i must say ive been very suprised with Murrays quick rise up the rankings.

Its only a matter of time before he wins a slam in my opinion simply because of his high seeding which will now anable him to consistently reach s/f without too much of a fuss and be more refreshed for the big encounters against the top 5.

Not sure what happened vs roddick, roddick simply played out of his skin at wimbledon, a fluke one off loss, cant see players consistently over the years having too many one off monster performances against him.

Burrow
08-26-2009, 01:12 PM
Since 1990 30 players have won GS's.

Only 17 peoples have won 4+ Masters series events over their whole career.


Murray won 4 in a 12 month period. That's a far harder thing to do than winning a slam. Thomas johanson, Gaston Gaudio, Albert costa have 1 Masters series between them for example.


So please stop saying he isn't going to deliver on the Main stage (slams) because it's in the effing.


Discuss

Uh...Costa and Johansson have both won a MS.

fast_clay
08-26-2009, 01:27 PM
... we dont need no water....

Har-Tru
08-26-2009, 01:30 PM
No slam = second tier player.

lazybear
08-26-2009, 01:33 PM
Murray won 4 in a 12 month period. That's a far harder thing to do than winning a slam.

No it's not. Not these days anyway.

Harmless
08-26-2009, 01:34 PM
... we dont need no water....

:spit:
:rolls:

I was waiting for someone to go in that direction but you outdid yourself there. :worship:

Lleyton_
08-26-2009, 01:42 PM
in best of three set finals. He has won zero best of five sets finals in his career.

Lebeuf
08-26-2009, 01:55 PM
I hate Murray.I still think he'll win a slam in his career , I mean how many years more than Federer does he have to play on the tour , and Nadal knees and style of play will likely end his career before Murray's one.Djokovic will also probably win another slam in the next few years.They can also win multiples ones.But if they dont win before 2011 we'll still say they were not capable of winnign slams in the federer-nadal era even if the 2 are still on the tour in 2011 who knows how they'll look ( fed-nad )

Saya-nee-sama
08-26-2009, 02:11 PM
I hate Murray.I still think he'll win a slam in his career , I mean how many years more than Federer does he have to play on the tour , and Nadal knees and style of play will likely end his career before Murray's one.Djokovic will also probably win another slam in the next few years.They can also win multiples ones.But if they dont win before 2011 we'll still say they were not capable of winnign slams in the federer-nadal era even if the 2 are still on the tour in 2011 who knows how they'll look ( fed-nad )
yep that's true!:D

But murray , I think, will win one next year.

Black Adam
08-26-2009, 04:11 PM
Haha I love those Murray bashing threads... :D
Who said anything about bashing? :shrug: ;):p

Take it as an exploration adventure into the deep psyche of a fanatical Muzza-tard. You have to justify the hype you know.....

Black Adam
08-26-2009, 04:17 PM
Hahahahaha, Slams count for more, not hard to work out. Asafa Powell has the most sub 10 sec 100m races, but how many majors does he have? Nowt.
Sadly Powell is becoming more and more like the Dutchmen in football (best team to never win the world cup when far worse teams have fluked it) It's just too bad because Gay and Bolt are on another level compared to him.


I am telling you folks, ATP 1000 ain't no mickey mouse tourneys. Even if the finals were best of 5 like they used, Muzza would still be racking them up.

It's in the air, it's approaching; Muzza is so getting a Major in the next 2 slams :dance::banana:

jmsx521
08-26-2009, 04:27 PM
With Murray being under fire, not on fire in Cincinnati, many might say this will not be his year to win a major. But maybe next year.

Sapeod
08-26-2009, 04:45 PM
Me, I will rejoice every day till the day he wins one :lol:

You must have a sad life.
No slam = second tier player.

That's pretty stupid logic there. A player who has reached a GS final and another semi and who has won 4 MS titles is a second tier player? Please.

GlennMirnyi
08-26-2009, 04:46 PM
So winning 4 masters series is more important than winning a slam?

How big of a fanboy must you be to believe that?

GlennMirnyi
08-26-2009, 04:49 PM
You must have a sad life.


That's pretty stupid logic there. A player who has reached a GS final and another semi and who has won 4 MS titles is a second tier player? Please.

Second tier is a stretch.

More like 3rd, 4th.

Har-Tru
08-26-2009, 04:58 PM
That's pretty stupid logic there. A player who has reached a GS final and another semi and who has won 4 MS titles is a second tier player? Please.

I'm talking history-wise. If you can't win a slam, you're not a first tier player.

FedFan_2007
08-26-2009, 05:28 PM
Best-of-3 king for sure, but let him win a frakken slam first! Murray is essentially the Ivan Lendl of today.

rocketassist
08-26-2009, 05:29 PM
I'm talking history-wise. If you can't win a slam, you're not a first tier player.

Just out of interest where would you rank Rios?

NYCtennisfan
08-26-2009, 08:13 PM
I would be shocked if Murray hasn't won at least one slam by next year's USO.

maxardy
08-26-2009, 08:32 PM
Only 17 peoples have won 4+ Masters series events over their whole career.




and out of those 17
14 won min. one GS
14 were number one

Sapeod
08-26-2009, 08:55 PM
Second tier is a stretch.

More like 3rd, 4th.
Yeah, and you're a 4th tier poster.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-26-2009, 09:35 PM
Since 1990 30 players have won GS's.

Only 17 peoples have won 4+ Masters series events over their whole career.


Murray won 4 in a 12 month period. That's a far harder thing to do than winning a slam. Thomas johanson, Gaston Gaudio, Albert costa have 1 Masters series between them for example.


So please stop saying he isn't going to deliver on the Main stage (slams) because it's in the effing.


Discuss

Masters are won by many weakings (donkey, birdshit, etc), real men win GS.

Murray doesnt have what it takes to be a real man.

Sorry Black Adam, Murray is far too weak to stop Fed.

Arkulari
08-26-2009, 10:17 PM
You must have a sad life.


That's pretty stupid logic there. A player who has reached a GS final and another semi and who has won 4 MS titles is a second tier player? Please.

Dani: Rafa is still a second tier player (in the logic of eras and times) and he has 6 GS and 15 MS by now, where do you think Muzza is right now? :shrug:

I don't know where would he be at the end of his career, but right now, he's not even on the third tier :shrug:

in this era, he is second tier, like everyone else to Roger and Rafa :shrug:

Pea
08-26-2009, 10:37 PM
Stop Fucking Making Threads!!

rocketassist
08-26-2009, 10:41 PM
For me, Nadal is third tier all time, not second tier.

DorianGray7
08-27-2009, 12:15 AM
I dare anyone to say Murray is better than Federer. I dare anyone to say Murray will EVER be better than Federer.

Yeah that's right fanboys... face the facts. Murray WILL NEVER be better or even in the same league as Federer. How many times does Federer have to give the smackdown to this punk kid in ATP 1000 and GS to prove this point?

MTF: MURRAY is gonna WIN!@!@! Federer is finished! He doesn't have a chance against Murray! Murray is the NEW GOAT! WOOT
-Federer wins in 2 sets. Cincinnati.
MTF: Murray only lost because he was tired, Federer will be crushed at Wimbledon! WOOT.
-Murray loses to Andy Roddick, Federer beats Roddick wins Wimbledon
MTF: Total luck, Roddick is a mug. Murray should have won, Federer was finished if Murray played him in the finals. Murray is taking it for sure at the US Open! WOOT.
-Federer wins the US Open. (2008)
MTF: Who else here is sick of Federer winning? We all know Murray is the real No. 1 Simon Reed said so! w00T.

repeat and rewind for this year US Open 2009

abraxas21
08-27-2009, 12:44 AM
murray hasn't won a slam because federer cried at the oz open.

Har-Tru
08-27-2009, 12:52 AM
Just out of interest where would you rank Rios?

Third tier, according to the classification system I just made.

1st tier: 3+ slams winners.
2nd tier: 1, 2 slams winners.
3rd tier: Great non-slammers.

This is just approximate of course... again, I just made it up. :lol: But I sure as hell know Murray wouldn't be in any first tier...

Ilovetheblues_86
08-27-2009, 01:05 AM
Stop obsessing with Murray.

ShotmaKer
08-27-2009, 11:27 AM
Third tier, according to the classification system I just made.

1st tier: 3+ slams winners.
2nd tier: 1, 2 slams winners.
3rd tier: Great non-slammers.

This is just approximate of course... again, I just made it up. :lol: But I sure as hell know Murray wouldn't be in any first tier...

Following that logic 1st tier should be 10+ slams winner.

ShotmaKer
08-27-2009, 11:32 AM
Murray won 4 in a 12 month period. That's a far harder thing to do than winning a slam

:silly:

Your logic sucks big time. I am pretty sure Murray would trade these 4 TMS for one GS title anyday of the week.

mbenet
08-27-2009, 11:36 AM
Let's not.....

Har-Tru
08-27-2009, 12:06 PM
Following that logic 1st tier should be 10+ slams winner.

Why?

You can make that list anyway you want. This one I made having Murray in mind tbh.

Iván
08-27-2009, 12:09 PM
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/b/6/1/3/AEGON_Championship_f17a.jpg

ShotmaKer
08-27-2009, 12:19 PM
Why?

You can make that list anyway you want. This one I made having Murray in mind tbh.

Mind you, because there's quite a gap between a 4 time GS champion and 14 time one. But sure, it could be made anyway one wants.

Black Adam
08-27-2009, 11:43 PM
:silly:

Your logic sucks big time. I am pretty sure Murray would trade these 4 TMS for one GS title anyday of the week.

All i am saying is that those 4 TMS are a sign that plan glory is near, ease I say within the next 2 slams if he can stay clear of players really on fire and avoid "viral infections."

Corey Feldman
08-28-2009, 01:32 AM
real men win GS.

Murray doesnt have what it takes to be a real man.



oh, so ballet pansy boy with the purse is a man now

Getta
08-28-2009, 02:20 AM
RFK, be very afraid of axe murderers.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-28-2009, 02:24 AM
RFK, be very afraid of axe murderers.

What the ....

Drugs are bad kids.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-28-2009, 02:25 AM
oh, so ballet pansy boy with the purse is a man now

Murray is such a pansy that even Federer is more of a man than he is.

Pathetic this Murray is.

Sunset of Age
08-28-2009, 02:31 AM
Murray is such a pansy that even Federer is more of a man than he is.

Pathetic this Murray is.

:D :D :D

Getta
08-28-2009, 02:32 AM
What the ....

Drugs are bad kids.

:lol:

There's no reason to reach outside myself to ignite this flame...

Sunset of Age
08-28-2009, 02:36 AM
:lol:

There's no reason to reach outside myself to ignite this flame...

R=FK is on fire again. Let's enjoy, yayyyy! :p

chris whiteside
08-28-2009, 09:51 AM
I hope you're right but wheras a few months ago I was saying WHEN Murray wins a Slam now it is IF he wins one and it is beginning to look as if it might be a big IF.

It could very well be that when we look back in five or six years we will pinpoint the moment Andy had a point for a 2 sets to 1 lead in the third set tie-break against Roddick at Wimbledon played passively, lost that point and then the set as when he threw away his big chance to be a Slam champion. Federer really didn't play that well at Wimbledon.

I don't think the recent defeat to Federer will have much bearing if they meet at USO, he was tired after his exertions of the back-to-back Masters but against this he was also very lucky to come through against a very tired Del Potro in the semis.

Unfortunately there are a few players behind him who are starting to gain momentum and if Andy does not make an effore to play aggressively he will only go so far - the Masters are of course a great achievemant but there is a big difference between them and the five-set Slams.

If AndyM and Del Potro do meet in USO quarter I fear Andy may get blown off court if Del Potro is in form - he will always be suscepible to a big hitter if he plays passively.

Plus Federer seems to have the belief in himself again and I think he is set on first doing a Serena Slam so even if Andy reached the US final I would expect Federer to be his opponent and really don't think he could win it.

ShotmaKer
08-28-2009, 09:58 AM
All i am saying is that those 4 TMS are a sign that plan glory is near, ease I say within the next 2 slams if he can stay clear of players really on fire and avoid "viral infections."

Granted he has the talent. Granted he is one of the very best AT THE MOMENT. But these are no guarantee for one to win slams. Some have been down that road before. Ask Nalbandian and Haas.

Beat
08-28-2009, 10:23 AM
Murray won 4 in a 12 month period. That's a far harder thing to do than winning a slam.

it may be harder, but it still doesn't mean as much.

Radalek
08-28-2009, 11:03 AM
it may be harder, but it still doesn't mean as much.

It won't mean anything 10 years from now. Slams are ones that matters and #1 ranking. TMC and Olympics are slightly ahead too...

andylovesaustin
08-28-2009, 11:30 AM
Best-of-3 king for sure, but let him win a frakken slam first! Murray is essentially the Ivan Lendl of today.

I agree, particularly about the "best-of-3 king."

Black Adam
09-08-2009, 09:56 PM
With the Henman choker label risking to stick on him maybe at this defining moment Murray will wish to no longer be a TMS god and would rather get a plan.

rocketassist
09-08-2009, 10:02 PM
Best-of-3 king for sure, but let him win a frakken slam first! Murray is essentially the Ivan Lendl of today.

Oh my. :haha:

Har-Tru
09-08-2009, 10:18 PM
http://picasion.com/pic13/57a43ab1d3196a22246a82ba7f87372d.gif

Clydey
09-08-2009, 10:39 PM
http://picasion.com/pic13/57a43ab1d3196a22246a82ba7f87372d.gif

I'm not being provocative here, but what's supposed to be funny about that? I don't see it.

Is it the "MMurray"? Does it stand for Mickey Mouse or is it a typo?

lessthanjake
09-08-2009, 10:45 PM
Murray is a great player but he has a problem that hurts him. Murray plays a very defensive style of tennis. He is great at it, but when you play defensively, you put the match on the other player's racket. This makes Murray vulnerable to lesser players than him who just happen to be having a great day. He will frequently lose to players like that in relatively early rounds.

On the other hand, someone like Federer who attacks more, puts the match on his own racket. So he doesn't necessarily get beaten when his opponent has an exceptional day because he is controlling the flow of the match a lot more.

This is why Murray has been upset at slams early (and Nadal too), and this virtually never happens to Federer.

jcreback
09-08-2009, 10:48 PM
Great Thread!!! A+!!! Would read again!!!

Bremen
09-08-2009, 10:50 PM
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/b/6/1/3/AEGON_Championship_f17a.jpg

That's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my life....

ClaudiuS
09-08-2009, 10:51 PM
Murray is essentially the Ivan Lendl of today.

:D

Har-Tru
09-08-2009, 11:08 PM
I'm not being provocative here, but what's supposed to be funny about that? I don't see it.

Is it the "MMurray"? Does it stand for Mickey Mouse or is it a typo?

:rolleyes: You're not that slow Clyds. :hug:

tennishero
09-08-2009, 11:10 PM
http://picasion.com/pic13/57a43ab1d3196a22246a82ba7f87372d.gif

MMurray, i like it