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Thiemo de Bakker... Finding his way?? Finally...

Frederick16
08-22-2009, 09:41 PM
Hey guys.. When i was checking the challenger results i realised that i was seeing Thiemo in a final again? He won San Sebastian also today and tomorrow he will be around 154 in the rankings and he is climbing fast this last 5 weeks. He was a very promising youngster and he had nice results against good players when he played ATP in his early career? Is he finally fulfilling his potential?? Whats your opinion... These are his last results:

San Sebastian Challenger Spain
CH 17 Aug 2009 to 23 Aug 2009 Entry: DA Clay (O)
32 W Miguel-Angel LOPEZ JAEN (ESP) 6-4 6-2
16 W Boris PASHANSKI (SRB) 6-4 6-4
QF W Jose CHECA-CALVO (ESP) 6-7 6-0 6-3
HF W Pedro Clar-Rosello (ESP)6-3 6-2
F W Filip Krajinovic 6-2 6-3

Vigo Challenger Spain
CH 10 Aug 2009 to 15 Aug 2009 Entry: DA Clay (O)
32 W Michel KONING (NED) 6-1 6-1
16 W Pablo SANTOS-GONZALEZ (ESP) 6-4 6-2
QF W Ivan NAVARRO (ESP) 7-5 6-1
SF W Pablo ANDUJAR (ESP) 2-6 6-1 6-1
FR W Thierry ASCIONE (FRA) 6-4 4-6 6-2


San Marino Challenger San Marino
CH 03 Aug 2009 to 09 Aug 2009 Entry: SE Clay (O)
32 L Oleksandr DOLGOPOLOV (UKR) 6-0 6-7(8) 4-6


Tampere Challenger Finland
CH 27 Jul 2009 to 02 Aug 2009 Entry: DA Clay (O)
32 W Alexander PEYA (AUT) 6-4 6-4
16 W Philipp OSWALD (AUT) 3-6 6-2 7-6(1)
QF W Andreas HAIDER-MAURER (AUT) 6-4 1-0 RET
SF W Alberto BRIZZI (ITA) 6-0 6-0
FR W Peter LUCZAK (AUS) 6-4 7-6(7)


Scheveningen Challenger Netherlands
CH 06 Jul 2009 to 12 Jul 2009 Entry: DA Clay (O)
32 W Joseph SIRIANNI (AUS) 6-7(10) 6-4 6-3
16 L Daniel KOELLERER (AUT) 6-2 1-6 1-6


Constanta Challenger Romania
CH 23 Jun 2009 to 28 Jun 2009 Entry: DA Clay (O)
32 L Andrei MLENDEA (ROU) 4-6 0-0 RET


's-Hertogenbosch Netherlands
250 14 Jun 2009 to 20 Jun 2009 Entry: Q Grass (O)
32 W Bjorn PHAU (GER) 7-6(3) 2-6 6-3
16 L Rainer SCHUETTLER (GER) 3-6 6-7(3)

's-Hertogenbosch Qualifying Draw Netherlands
250 13 Jun 2009 to 14 Jun 2009 Entry: DA Grass (O)
32 B () BYE
16 W Andrei PAVEL (ROU) 7-6(5) 6-3
QF W Frantisek CERMAK (CZE) 6-1 6-2

Certinfy
08-22-2009, 09:46 PM
How old is he?

Frederick16
08-22-2009, 09:49 PM
20 i believe..

Ivanatis
08-22-2009, 09:51 PM
yes, he's 20 and he's indeed been having good challenger results in the last weeks, 2010 will be a crucial year for him

malisha
08-22-2009, 09:54 PM
Thiemo is here for 3 years now and still hasnt done anything significant

Frederick16
08-22-2009, 09:57 PM
Thiemo is here for 3 years now and still hasnt done anything significant

thats why he is now finally looking he has it on track. when he keep in form now for some other challengers he will be top 100

Jōris
08-22-2009, 09:59 PM
No foreigners allowed on his bandwagon. Please leave.

malisha
08-22-2009, 10:00 PM
well he sholud he has quite big game under his belt but lack mental endurance
still young though but expected him to bloosom earlyer(year after he won Wimbeldon)

Jōris
08-22-2009, 10:02 PM
Thiemo is here for 3 years now and still hasnt done anything significant

Malisse didn't do anything worthwhile before his 20th either. Or afterwards.

Sunset of Age
08-22-2009, 10:03 PM
No foreigners allowed on his bandwagon. Please leave.

:lol:

Well I've been following his results as of late quite closely and I'm happy to see him finally getting some decent results - it's about time!
Especially with Robin Haase apparently seeming to suffer a quite possible career-threatning injury - how long has he been out now already? :sad: - it's very good for Dutch tennis that De Bakker is finally taking his chances where they come. It's still a very long path for him to go, though.
Best of luck, Thiemo!

Frederick16
08-22-2009, 10:05 PM
No foreigners allowed on his bandwagon. Please leave.

don't worry.. the only bandwagon i jumped is Barbara Schett's

fast_clay
08-22-2009, 10:22 PM
No foreigners allowed on his bandwagon. Please leave.

oh...

HattonWBA
08-23-2009, 08:12 AM
Yes, he has looked pretty talented when i have seen him play, but his results over the last few years heve not really jutified it at all, there is imporovement though and hopefully he can crack the top 100 within the next 6 months

jazar
08-23-2009, 08:22 AM
i was in san sebastian the other day. if i'd known there was a challenger on i would have gone

Action Jackson
08-23-2009, 08:23 AM
Maybe, it's not the one size fits all theory where all players must reach their peak at a fixed age.

Audacity
08-23-2009, 09:20 AM
Good luck to him. :)

Frederick16
08-23-2009, 11:39 AM
He is hammering Krajo at the moment. So it will be 3 out 4 now..

cocrcici
08-23-2009, 12:25 PM
62 63

Norrage
08-23-2009, 12:45 PM
Really, really impressive what he is doing at the moment...And such convincing wins too!

CooCooCachoo
08-23-2009, 12:58 PM
Yes, some really impressive wins. Although he hasn't been beating that many big names, the scorelines have been convincing, and the inconsistency that has marked his results in the past seems to have been overcome :yeah:

fast_clay
08-23-2009, 01:58 PM
winning is a habit... good on this lowlander...

Burrow
08-23-2009, 02:31 PM
Yes, some really impressive wins. Although he hasn't been beating that many big names, the scorelines have been convincing, and the inconsistency that has marked his results in the past seems to have been overcome :yeah:

:lol: I remember you gave me a bad rep years ago because I said that Robin Haase would come good before this guy and you said "Don't write things about people that you haven't even seen play :rolleyes:"

:spit:

duong
08-23-2009, 03:28 PM
he's still young enough for this to be promising.

Great results ! :yeah:

And he will be in the top-100 of the Race tomorrow ;)

CooCooCachoo
08-23-2009, 09:45 PM
:lol: I remember you gave me a bad rep years ago because I said that Robin Haase would come good before this guy and you said "Don't write things about people that you haven't even seen play :rolleyes:"

:spit:

Find the exact post I badrepped and you will see how selective your memory is.

Frederick16
08-23-2009, 10:40 PM
dont bitch fight in my thread please!! this will the thread everybody post in when thiemo wins the grand slam in 4 years

Frederick16
09-04-2009, 03:39 PM
When all the topplayers are in New York. Thiemo is in Romania, again he is in the last weekend. SemiFinal for him again.. He will play Francesco Aldi for a spot in the Final and maybe he will his 5 fourth challenger

Klaas_nalbandian
09-04-2009, 05:13 PM
When all the topplayers are in New York. Thiemo is in Romania, again he is in the last weekend. SemiFinal for him again.. He will play Francesco Aldi for a spot in the Final and maybe he will his 5 fourth challenger

hopefully he will win again. This will be his least impressive win cause of the weak field. Next week a challenger is the Netherlands. Would be good to have a player in the top 100 again. In the past he d. top 100 players so he is capable of winning matches against better players then he beated in the past tournaments.

He winst against luczak navarro andujar ascione are good also the fact that he is capable of playing many matches in a short time. Curious about his davis cup performance against the quality french players.

so far he has the scalp of Benneteau, Massu, Schuettler, Malisse (2x)

Wolbo
09-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Thiemo has beaten Francesco Aldi with 6-2 6-0 to reach the final in Brasov. His 14th successive win.

Adri89
09-05-2009, 06:03 PM
Yeah very impressive wins from Thiemo those last weeks. But almost of the time against players which the ranking is between 150-400. The scorelines are really impressive but I'm curious to see what he will be able to do against better players (50-150). 2010 will be a very important year for him.

Klaas_nalbandian
09-06-2009, 01:23 PM
Another title for Thiemo

He defeated Pere Riba 7-5 6-0 in the final of Brasov. Thiemo collected 300p in his last five tournaments winning 4 out of 5.

He wil be around 130 now and will play in Alphen ( The Netherlands ) next week

sidestory:

Haase was on television and he is still working on his comeback, playing tennis for 2 hours a day. He and Siemerink are confident that he will be back but they can't say when. Haase can't rush things

Sheva
09-06-2009, 01:43 PM
Watch the De Bakker bandwagon coming now..

Norrage
09-06-2009, 01:49 PM
Thiemo! 4th, one more and it surely is more impressive than any other challenger run (Schwank, Bellucci last year for instance) :)

sheva07
09-06-2009, 02:19 PM
Haase was on television and he is still working on his comeback, playing tennis for 2 hours a day. He and Siemerink are confident that he will be back but they can't say when. Haase can't rush things

Where was he? Studio Sport?

Wolbo
09-06-2009, 03:00 PM
Where was he? Studio Sport?Yes. Didn't give me a very good feeling about his tennis future. He still gets fluid in the knee after playing tennis although he did say it disappears relatively quickly. It's pretty clear he tried to come back too quickly and that put him back even further. Let's hope that he can make a full recovery.

Wolbo
09-06-2009, 03:04 PM
Watch the De Bakker bandwagon coming now..Not sure where that comment comes from. Given that Dutch tennis has been lost in the desert the last couple of years it's good to see any positive result. There sure haven't been many. If that puts me on a bandwagon so be it.

Frederick16
09-06-2009, 05:01 PM
Good test for him next week in a hometown challenger.. a lot of more quality players in it then in the ones he won. If he go far here then it is really possible he will climb up further and further

TankingTheSet
09-06-2009, 05:18 PM
If he had done this last year he would have been well into the top-100this year because of the way points from last year were doubled in the rankings. This year's challenger results don't count as much yet because results from the second half of the last year are still in the rankings. This does mean even if he doesn't achieve great results his ranking is still likely to improve for the rest of the year due to this statistical effect. So his ranking will be going the right way.

Frederick16
09-11-2009, 08:33 AM
He is 16 in a row now...

Won Brasov and now at home he already have beaten Sirianni and Garcia, bachinger is next. when he will also win this one direct acceptance for the auzzzzz open is very close :eek:

n8
09-11-2009, 11:28 AM
If he had done this last year he would have been well into the top-100this year because of the way points from last year were doubled in the rankings. This year's challenger results don't count as much yet because results from the second half of the last year are still in the rankings. This does mean even if he doesn't achieve great results his ranking is still likely to improve for the rest of the year due to this statistical effect. So his ranking will be going the right way.

It's good to see other people know what they're talking about too!

sheva07
09-12-2009, 01:18 PM
He's now in the semis of Alphen. He won 4-6 6-3 6-4 against Bachinger. He didn't play great and looked a bit tired in the end but he recovered well when he was down one set. In the semis he will play Michael Russell and in a possible final against Sluiter/Robert.

Ad Wim
09-12-2009, 03:58 PM
Finally it's coming all together. Good to see he is playing matches and wins consistently. The mental thing was always the problem, but it doesn't seem so now.

Still, it's a big step from challengers to ATP, but beating Luczak, Machado, Schuettler, Navarro etc. is very promising.

Frederick16
09-18-2009, 03:12 PM
Now he have beaten Gael Monfils in 4sets for the DC, i think it is safe to say that thiemo should get in to the top 50 before july next year! :eek:

duong
09-18-2009, 03:18 PM
If he had done this last year he would have been well into the top-100this year because of the way points from last year were doubled in the rankings. This year's challenger results don't count as much yet because results from the second half of the last year are still in the rankings. This does mean even if he doesn't achieve great results his ranking is still likely to improve for the rest of the year due to this statistical effect. So his ranking will be going the right way.

to say it simply, he's now number 80 in the Race (79 after today's win)

duong
09-20-2009, 06:44 PM
After today's Davis Cup match, the French captain Forget said that if De Bakker takes it a little bit seriously, he will be top-40 next year :)

De Bakker himself said that he felt better physically than Tsonga in the 4th set, and he might have won the 5th one (Tsonga indeed said that he was getting very tired but did his best in the tie-break)

sheva07
09-20-2009, 07:14 PM
He played also a great match against Tsonga except from the second set. Very good job Thiemo!

Klaas_nalbandian
09-20-2009, 08:50 PM
he really played very well today. He had chances tot win against Tsonga. There were some really nice points.

Hopefully he will do well the indoor season starting in Mons. Even on clay his serve en volley was effective

duong
09-20-2009, 09:39 PM
Hopefully he will do well the indoor season starting in Mons. Even on clay his serve en volley was effective

yes I think his challenger wins were nearly all on clay this year, but he can surely play on other surfaces

CooCooCachoo
09-20-2009, 09:43 PM
Thiemo is surely one of the best Challenger players this year. Has shown some consistency that is great to see, and that I hope he can carry into the new season. He should be firmly within the Top 100 with his talent.

Sunset of Age
09-21-2009, 12:38 AM
Great impression made by Thiemo this DC weekend. Played very well in all three matches. Go Thiemo! :yeah:

Frederick16
10-29-2009, 06:38 PM
Thiemo will be in the top 100 next week for the first time :O for how long :eek:

Klaas_nalbandian
10-29-2009, 11:40 PM
Thiemo will be in the top 100 next week for the first time :O for how long :eek:


hopefully for the rest of his career. with his skills that shouldn't be a problem. Next year he has to prove it on the atp level. But untill june he hasn't much to defend (100p) challenger final and 2nd round of atp (Q)

Montego
10-30-2009, 12:08 AM
Always nice to see once promising juniors making a breakthrough :yeah:

CooCooCachoo
10-30-2009, 01:32 AM
Top 100 :worship: Finally, and well-deserved.

peacechick
10-30-2009, 12:06 PM
yay :banana: he's been working really hard lately and it's paying off :D

Klaas_nalbandian
11-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Thiemo no. 99 , with some normal results in the upcoming challengers he can be in the top 80....

His loss against Lacko was a bit a disappointment but Lacko loves to play on fast courts, never plays on clay so I guess it will be easier for thiemo to stay in the top 100 cause his game suits more surfaces

Ad Wim
11-02-2009, 09:32 AM
That loss shows that on HC or indoor, he isn't really ready for top 100 yet, but that will come. He hardly hasn't got any points to defend until March so he can reach at least top 60-70, but we'll have to see how he fares on ATP-level. We all know there's a big gap between them.

n8
11-28-2009, 01:37 AM
Thiemo is 94 in the world but still doesn't have a profile pic on ATP (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/De/T/Thiemo-De-Bakker.aspx). Nice to know he'll have direct acceptance into a Grand Slam for the first time next year in Aus.

Frederick16
01-05-2010, 01:18 PM
With his win in the first round of Chennai he will be up to around 80. Will he beat Haase (the dutch dont know what is happening i guess, what was the last all dutch atp match? schalken against .. ) he can be around 84 or so. And then Janko that is also not very unlikely for De Bakker..

Yves.
01-05-2010, 02:04 PM
With his win in the first round of Chennai he will be up to around 80. Will he beat Haase (the dutch dont know what is happening i guess, what was the last all dutch atp match? schalken against .. ) he can be around 84 or so. And then Janko that is also not very unlikely for De Bakker..

Yes, it's outrageous! Very very cool, they both played very well suggesting the scoreline so I expect a high quality match :D

Purple Rainbow
01-05-2010, 02:26 PM
With his win in the first round of Chennai he will be up to around 80. Will he beat Haase (the dutch dont know what is happening i guess, what was the last all dutch atp match? schalken against .. ) he can be around 84 or so. And then Janko that is also not very unlikely for De Bakker..

The last ATP match between two Dutchies was.....

Amersfoort 2005, R1:
(WC)Melle van Gemerden (NED) d. (WC)Dennis van Scheppingen (NED) 6-0 ret.

:eek:

Hope this match will be better! :)

peacechick
01-05-2010, 02:33 PM
An all Dutch match :D
Should be interesting since they train together and share a coach...

Frederick16
01-05-2010, 02:35 PM
The last ATP match between two Dutchies was.....

Amersfoort 2005, R1:
(WC)Melle van Gemerden (NED) d. (WC)Dennis van Scheppingen (NED) 6-0 ret.

:eek:

Hope this match will be better! :)

yes and they needed two wc's to enter the draw. so it will be really schalken siemerink or something for the last real dutch contest :eek:

Purple Rainbow
01-05-2010, 02:43 PM
yes and they needed two wc's to enter the draw. so it will be really schalken siemerink or something for the last real dutch contest :eek:

Sluiter def Schalken in Rotterdam 2004, R16.

It's the latest one I could find.

Frederick16
01-05-2010, 03:02 PM
Sluiter def Schalken in Rotterdam 2004, R16.

It's the latest one I could find.

so it was almost 6 years. and people here sometimes complaining about the level of tennis.. after haarhuis, eltingh, krajicek, siemerink and schalken you also had really nothing.

Sander.
01-05-2010, 03:03 PM
The last ATP match between two Dutchies was.....

Amersfoort 2005, R1:
(WC)Melle van Gemerden (NED) d. (WC)Dennis van Scheppingen (NED) 6-0 ret.

:eek:

Hope this match will be better! :)

It can only get better I think :lol:

Purple Rainbow
01-05-2010, 03:17 PM
so it was almost 6 years. and people here sometimes complaining about the level of tennis.. after haarhuis, eltingh, krajicek, siemerink and schalken you also had really nothing.

Verkerk fluked his way to a GS final.
Not unlike PimPims run to the USO semis.

Besides that, you guys had Thomas Johansson with a slam win and now Robin Soderling. Too bad Vinciguerra never really delivered.

With Haase and De Bakker, things are finally looking better for us Dutch tennis fans. I haven't written of Antal van der Duim and Igor Sijsling either.

Frederick16
01-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Verkerk fluked his way to a GS final.
Not unlike PimPims run to the USO semis.

Besides that, you guys had Thomas Johansson with a slam win and now Robin Soderling. Too bad Vinciguerra never really delivered.

With Haase and De Bakker, things are finally looking better for us Dutch tennis fans. I haven't written of Antal van der Duim and Igor Sijsling either.

i think daniel berta can be a sort of the bakker altough he is a good junior on the senior level he is not that good.

vinciguerra is a friend of my sister. i played a set against him :D

Frederick16
01-06-2010, 01:03 PM
Thiemo won the open dutch championship final against Haase 63 64.

Into his first ATP World Tour QF and he will go to a new career high about 84..

Purple Rainbow
01-06-2010, 01:07 PM
i think daniel berta can be a sort of the bakker altough he is a good junior on the senior level he is not that good.

vinciguerra is a friend of my sister. i played a set against him :D

Cool! How many points did you win?

Great result by Thiemo (even though I think Haase deserves a good run after being out with injuries for over a year).
Next up Tipsarevic or Dev Varman. Not impossible!

scoobs
01-06-2010, 01:08 PM
Good to see from Thiemo - also good to see Haase coming back from his injuries.

Frederick16
01-06-2010, 01:12 PM
Cool! How many points did you win?

Great result by Thiemo (even though I think Haase deserves a good run after being out with injuries for over a year).
Next up Tipsarevic or Dev Varman. Not impossible!

i had a game! it was 6/1 but it was indoors so i was going for every shot. it was luck

Rik.
01-06-2010, 02:15 PM
Good win. :) Didn't expect him to win this.
Hopefully he can upset Tipsarevic in the quarters.

Klaas_nalbandian
01-06-2010, 03:12 PM
I expected a win for Haase, hopefully Thiemo continues his run

Frederick16
01-06-2010, 07:16 PM
In an all-Dutch second-round match up, Thiemo De Bakker broke serve four times as he knocked out Robin Haase 6-4, 6-2 in 79 minutes. World No. 96 De Bakker is through to his first ATP World Tour quarter-final and will face fourth seed Janko Tipsarevic, who eased past 2009 runner-up Devvarman 6-2, 6-1 as he won seven of his 10 break points.

Tipsarevic, currently No. 38 in the South African Airways 2010 ATP Rankings, is through to the Chennai quarter-finals for the second straight year. The 25-year-old Serbian lost to Cilic in three sets in 2009.

fran70
01-07-2010, 12:42 AM
I think he can beat Tipsarevic and reach his first semifinal. Good luck Thiemo!

Frederick16
04-19-2010, 10:35 AM
Since January he is solidely climbing the ranks. A new career high for him in the top 70. Nothing to defend until august. And he is only losing to players who are higher then him (and then also the topclass players Roddick, Berdych and Nadal) i think it is safe to say that we will see him in the top 50 quickly...

Frederick16
04-22-2010, 08:35 PM
Top 50 why not top 20 after the JCF win :eek:

Frederick16
05-28-2010, 06:51 PM
Thiemo is the new ATP drop shot king! i can see him go top 25 this year!!

sheva07
05-28-2010, 06:59 PM
Thiemo is the new ATP drop shot king! i can see him go top 25 this year!!

He got a good dropshot but he use it way too much.

Frederick16
05-28-2010, 07:03 PM
He got a good dropshot but he use it way too much.

yeah i know he really should try to win baseline rallies with his groundies

Sunset of Age
05-29-2010, 01:16 AM
He should be very proud of his RG run! :yeah:
Too bad he didn't take his chances against Tsonga today, f*cking *p the 2nd set TB. Still a bit too erratic at times, and overdoing it on the show-shots (Dropshot!Thiemo!) - and I think his physical conditioning could be a bit better as well.

Still, lots of good to take from here, he knows what to do to take it up another level now. Go Thiemo! :rocker2:

Filo V.
05-29-2010, 01:19 AM
He's a little overrated to me but he is definitely showing he is a good player and someone to look out for in the present and future.

fran70
05-29-2010, 01:59 AM
He should be very proud of his RG run! :yeah:
Too bad he didn't take his chances against Tsonga today, f*cking *p the 2nd set TB. Still a bit too erratic at times, and overdoing it on the show-shots (Dropshot!Thiemo!) - and I think his physical conditioning could be a bit better as well.

:rocker2:

This is just a matter of time. He needs to spend more time playing with this sort of players. He can easily finish in the top 50 by the end of the year :wavey:

Sunset of Age
05-29-2010, 02:03 AM
This is just a matter of time. He needs to spend more time playing with this sort of players. He can easily finish in the top 50 by the end of the year :wavey:

Fully agree. Just two things: cut the fancy 'look-at-me, here!'-play (at times), and work out on physical conditioning. He's got the talent, and finally, it looks like he's found the proper mindset as well.

fran70
05-29-2010, 02:08 AM
Fully agree. Just two things: cut the fancy 'look-at-me, here!'-play (at times), and work out on physical conditioning. He's got the talent, and finally, it looks like he's found the proper mindset as well.

I agree with you. Some players needs some time to mature and Thiemo is one of them. He has much more to give on the tour and has the game to clearly be a top 20 oneday.

Sunset of Age
05-29-2010, 02:20 AM
I agree with you. Some players needs some time to mature and Thiemo is one of them. He has much more to give on the tour and has the game to clearly be a top 20 oneday.

:yeah: Yes, I well remember him getting a severe punishment from the Dutch tennis federation a couple of years ago, for 'partying' too much at some challenger tournament in Israel, if I'm not mistaken.

He's had a hard time switching from the juniors to the seniors circuit, but all signs are there to conclude that he fully realizes himself nowadays that it was most of all due his sloppy, non-professional attitude during those years - he needed time to realize that mere talent is not enough, you'll have to WORK for the results just as much!

(not uncommon among Dutchies ;))

fran70
05-29-2010, 02:27 AM
:yeah: Yes, I well remember him getting a severe punishment from the Dutch tennis federation a couple of years ago, for 'partying' too much at some challenger tournament in Israel, if I'm not mistaken.

He's had a hard time switching from the juniors to the seniors circuit, but all signs are there now to conclude that he fully realizes himself nowadays that it was most of all his attitude - he needed time to realize that mere talent is not enough, you'll have to WORK for the results just as much!

(not uncommon among Dutchies ;))

The clue will be if he can realize that is a matter of attitude. He is one of the players I follow and that I believe that he can achieve better performances on the tour than what he did at this present time. For instane, Gulbis is another of them. And speaking about Dutchies :-) I am waiting Robin to be back on the top 100 soon :worship:

Sunset of Age
05-29-2010, 02:38 AM
The clue will be if he can realize that is a matter of attitude. He is one of the players I follow and that I believe that he can achieve better performances on the tour than what he did at this present time. For instane, Gulbis is another of them. And speaking about Dutchies :-) I am waiting Robin to be back on the top 100 soon :worship:

Yep!

:topic: :angel: Well Robin is a slighly different Dutchie case I think - he's not as 'naturally talented' as Thiemo, but with a far more professional attitude to his tennis so far - one of his parents is German, might say something for this matter ;) - too bad that terrible knee injury threw him off for about a year. :mad:
Robin's great performance - a 5-sets match! - against Almagro indeed tells that he will be BACK soon! :D

Frederick16
08-08-2010, 06:45 PM
Holland will be better then us this monday! If Haase wins San Marino they have 2 top 100 players... We just 1! :eek:

Iván
08-08-2010, 06:46 PM
im not sure if de bakker can bt lopez on american soil

Eden
08-26-2010, 07:53 PM
On The Rise... Thiemo de Bakker

DEUCE
by Alison Kim

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Wary of comparisons with Richard Krajicek, the 1996 Wimbledon champion, Thiemo de Bakker is ensuring his breakthrough into the Top 50 doesn’t falter.

Four years after winning the Wimbledon junior title, Thiemo de Bakker has once again lifted hopes of a new 'golden generation' of Dutch tennis with his Top 50 breakthrough this season. Now, as he approaches his 22nd birthday, de Bakker is determined to raise his game to the next level.

It’s almost easy to forget that Thiemo de Bakker is just 21 years of age – in fact, the fifth youngest player in the current Top 100 – given that great things have been expected from the Dutchman for quite some time now. Listen to former World No. 4 Richard Krajicek, who asserts, “Thiemo is by far the biggest talent we have ever had in Dutch tennis,” or to former ATP World Tour Champions Andy Roddick and Lleyton Hewitt, who’ve both labelled him a dangerous player, and it’s clear why.

Ten years after Krajicek became the first player from The Netherlands to win the Wimbledon title, de Bakker – another tall Dutchman with a big serve – captured the attention of his countrymen by replicating the achievement at the junior level and finishing the 2006 season as the world’s top-ranked junior.

With his success came big expectations in a nation a decade removed from a ‘golden generation’ featuring Krajicek, Jan Siemerink, Paul Haarhuis and Jacco Eltingh, and eager to see the revival of a strong tennis tradition. Combined with the accomplishments of players like Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray during their teenage years, hopes ran high that de Bakker could follow suit and carry the mantle for Holland.

But his transition to the tour, as is the case for many successful juniors, didn’t go exactly as planned.

While Juan Martin del Potro – exactly four days younger than the Dutchman – was making his breakthrough in the summer of 2008, winning his first four ATP World Tour titles in consecutive tournament appearances, de Bakker was playing on the ATP Challenger Tour and could count his number of tour-level main draw victories on one hand.

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“They all want it quick, but you have to realise that everyone develops and matures at different times,” says Rohan Goetzke, Krajicek’s long-time coach and the current Technical Director at the Dutch Tennis Federation. “A lot of young players are being compared to a Nadal or a Djokovic or a Murray, but they’re exceptions. For sure some people will say he’s behind schedule, but if you see the line we mapped out in the rankings and the goals, he’s on the line.”

But for a player touted as the next big thing in Dutch tennis, the relatively slow progress led to frustration and concern. “The expectations got lower and lower. A lot of us thought he would never make it,” admits Dutch journalist Dick Springer. The inner tennis circle also had its share of skeptics. “There was talk that he was underachieving at one stage and what was going on,” remembers Goetzke.

For all the conversation swirling around him, de Bakker remained unperturbed. “I was so young. For me it didn’t really matter if it took a year or three years.” Springer recalls, “He was honest about it, saying there are more things in life that I like. He was very nice, but not very serious.”

The turning point, ironically enough, came while he was on holiday in early 2009. While de Bakker lay on the beach, he reflected on everything he’d done and, more importantly, on what he hadn’t achieved. During his younger years, de Bakker managed to coast through on talent, but that didn’t cut it anymore. “I didn’t have to work real hard, and that came back on me,” he says. At that moment, he made the decision to do what it takes to make it on the professional tour.

With new focus, he began putting in the necessary hours on and off the court to improve his game and fitness – “I started working harder, being more serious; that was the biggest change” – and within months, the difference was noticeable. He went on a tear on the Challenger circuit, winning four titles and compiling a 23-2 record over a six-tournament stretch, and then followed with a quality win over a 13th-ranked Gael Monfils in the Davis Cup World Group play-offs on home soil.

“At the end of the year I started winning the important matches,” he says. “That gave me confidence. After that, I played more decent. My basic game started to be pretty solid. From there I started to play better and better, more confident each week.”

Though success arrived in a sudden flood of titles, it didn’t come as a complete surprise to those around him. “When he has something in his head and made up his mind to do something, he will do everything to reach this goal,” says Mats Merkel, of the Adidas Player Development Program, who has been sharing coaching duties with Goetzke and Davis Cup captain Siemerink this season.

De Bakker’s determination was evident as he began his first full season on the ATP World Tour. After finishing just within the year-end Top 100, he set out a new goal of cracking the Top 50 in 2010 and reached his goal four months into the year – courtesy of a semi-final showing in Barcelona with wins over former Roland Garros champion Juan Carlos Ferrero and World No. 10 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga. By mid-June, he’d broken the Top 40 barrier.

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“I knew I had the capability, but you still have to do it,” says de Bakker. “Until now I’ve had a pretty decent year, and I’m happy with the way it’s gone. Hopefully I can bring it up even higher and see how far it goes.”

To continue his development, de Bakker added physical trainer Damian Prasad to his team this summer and made the trip to Las Vegas in the dead heat of July for a 13-day training session with the Adidas Player Development program. A typical day began with an 8 a.m. breakfast, followed by two-and-a-half hour strength sessions with Gil Reyes, lunch, two hours of practice with Merkel and Darren Cahill, physical treatment, dinner at 8:30 p.m., and an occasional trip to the go-kart track. “On the court he likes to work hard and be efficient at the same time. Come in, get the work done and get out again to relax the mind and get away from the site,” says Merkel.

De Bakker’s efforts this season have once again reignited chatter in his home country, where Davis Cup ties have become a hot ticket with both de Bakker and Robin Haase ranked in the Top 100 and Jesse Huta Galung and Igor Sijsling also on their way up. “Now everybody is already talking about how long will it take Thiemo before he wins his first big tournament. They’re even thinking about will he be the next Richard Krajicek, to win a Grand Slam title,” says Springer.

Goetzke has always had faith in de Bakker, but is careful not to make any predictions when he hears the comparisons between Krajicek and de Bakker. “He’s put himself in the position where he’s playing with the big boys, which is a big step for him,” says Goetzke. “He’s winning matches at the ATP World Tour Masters 1000s, in the Grand Slams. The thing is to move up and consolidate himself in those big tournaments and see if he can make that next step… He has ability. We’ll have to see if he can wear those shoes.”

De Bakker still feels he has a long way to go before he can earn comparisons to the likes of Krajicek, but understands the hopes he shoulders. “They expect more. I think that’s normal. I do my best and try to win every match. I try to improve every week, and I think there’s nothing more I can do.” As for now, de Bakker is more concerned with realistic goals for this season. “I still have a lot of points to defend,” he says. “If I can end up Top 50, 40, I’ll be pretty happy. For sure I want to be higher, but to be reasonable it’s a good thing to start with.”

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The next few years should provide a more accurate benchmark of de Bakker’s standing on the ATP World Tour as he continues to refine his game, improve his fitness and grow in confidence and experience. Krajicek, who won the Wimbledon title at 24 years of age, believes that de Bakker is on the right track to the top. “Since April 2009, he has changed the way he approaches the game. He is now much more professional and understands that he has to work hard to get results. If he continues this way, then he can win Grand Slams and become a Top 5 player in the near future.”

But there’s no sense of urgency from de Bakker, whom Merkel describes as “a very calm person who likes to observe things precisely”. Given that the average age of players in the Top 100 is 26 and the average of the Top 10 is 25, de Bakker is actually way ahead of the game.

“Now I’m still pretty young, I think,” he says. “It took me a while, but I got here and that’s the most important thing.”

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Frederick16
08-26-2010, 08:42 PM
CINCINNATI--Few players have risen to the upper echelons of the men's game as rapidly as Thiemo de Bakker. The 21 year-old Dutchman was ranked outside the top 200 in August of 2009, but in the past year has made his way firmly into the Top 50, peaking at #40 in July, slipping slightly to his current ranking of #50 this week.

Though he was the top junior in the world in 2006, de Bakker is perhaps best known to most casual tennis fans as the player who beat John Isner in the second round of Wimbledon this year, beating him quickly the day after Isner's marathon 70-68 fifth set against Nicolas Mahut ended.

Playing in Cincinnati for the first time, de Bakker notched a 6-4, 6-7(5), 6-3 win over ATP #31 Juan Monaco, putting him into a second round match-up against the winner of tonight's match between ninth-seeded Andy Roddick and Sergiy Stakhovsky.

Shortly after his win over Monaco, I sat down with Thiemo to talk about his win today, Dutch tennis, making the transition from juniors to the ATP, and Wimbledon.

TDF: You had sort of a tough time closing out the second set, serving up 5-4 in the tiebreak and then losing both points on your serve. What do you think happened?

Thiemo de Bakker: In the beginning I was 5-2 down in the set, so...I think I fought back well, took the momentum, played a good breaker. I had a chance at 3-1, did the right thing, but missed it. And at 4-2 too defensive on that point. Then at 5-4 up, yeah, I went a little bit defensive, and he took his chances and went for it. Yeah, I had to go there a little bit more, but I didn't. But I think I came back well in the third and played a good third set.

TDF: Against a player like Monaco who is more defensive, do you think it forces you to be more aggressive than usual?

Thiemo de Bakker: Actually I think today he was more offensive than me. I was running more than him. I should have, but I didn't do it. Maybe it would have helped me to be a little bit more aggressive, but he's a tough player, and a good competitor, so it's tough.

TDF: You could play Andy Roddick in the next round, who you played twice this year already, and lost to both times [Australian Open and Miami]. What do you think you have to do differently to beat him here? He also recently said that he's been dealing with mono, does that give you a better chance to beat him, do you think?

Thiemo de Bakker: He's a great player. Twice he beat me pretty easy. He's tough. He doesn't miss a lot of balls, he serves well, and decent from the back, so I have to be really sharp. By the way, I think that if he starts at a tournament, he's probably fit. He's not going to play when he's not 100% fit, so he'll be fighting. First he has to win today, but yeah. I think if I serve well, and play well, and get a lot of returns back, I have a chance, but it will be tough.

TDF: I noticed during your match today that you were always rolling up your right sleeve. Did you ever think about wearing sleeveless shirts?

Thiemo de Bakker: Nah, I hate sleeveless shirts, actually (laughs). I really don't feel comfortable in them. In a way it's more a habit than anything. I usually do it when it's more hot and humid. It's just a habit, because if I hit one ball it usually goes back again.

TDF: Tennis players from The Netherlands have been doing well recently. You're into the Top 50, and guys like Robin Haase, Jesse Huta Galung and Igor Sijsling have been playing well and getting near the Top 100 doing well after there was a long time where there were no Dutch players in the Top 100. Why do you think that is?

Thiemo de Bakker: I think we were really spoiled, with four or five guys in the top thirty. We're a pretty small country, not like The States or France which are pretty big. I mean, if we can get two or three guys in the Top 100, I think we're doing really well. We're all young. The age difference between the guys who stopped and us is pretty big. There was a pretty big gap. I'm 21. I don't know what the average age in the Top 100 is, but I think I'm doing pretty well. Robin [Haase] got injured when he was in the Top 100, so... We have a few guys who can make it, but they still need to improve a lot and get more consistent. Then we'll probably be able to get three or four guys in the top 100, and that will be awesome.

TDF: It seems like The Netherlands is doing really well in sports generally right now. Making it to the finals of the World Cup, swimming, and speed skating as well. Why do you think such a relatively small country, like you said, is able to have so much success in so many sports?

Thiemo de Bakker: I think in football we have some great players throughout the world playing. They're good players, they did really well, unlucky they lost the final, but, it happens. And speed skating, I think we have the best speed skaters in the world, by far. I don't know actually why. Speed skating, they do it a lot in Holland, it's a big sport in Holland.

TDF: The first time I ever saw you play was in Davis Cup last year against France, where you beat Gael Monfils in Holland, with all the crowd in orange. What was that like, playing for The Netherlands in front of that big crowd and getting the win?

Thiemo de Bakker: I think Davis Cup is always fun, especially in Holland when the crowd is for you. I think it's always a good atmosphere. They're good also for the opponents. Not terrible--it's pretty fair, I think. So it's fun, I like those matches. I was playing well at that time, I had just won four challengers, so I had a lot of confidence. Also on the other days I played pretty well. I had my chances against Tsonga on Sunday, but lost in a tough four-setter. I served well, and it was my first, well he was not quite top ten, but he was a good player, and it was a good win for me.

TDF: You were the #1 junior in the world, and you won Junior Wimbledon. You've had a pretty successful transition to the ATP, had success and rising up pretty fast, whereas some players at the top of the junior game never have quite as much success in the ATP. What do you think has been able to help you make the transition better than some?

Thiemo de Bakker: It took me a while. I had some big problems in the beginning. My problem was that in the juniors, I never had to work for it. So I was, not lazy, because in matches I was working, but I didn't do the things outside, I didn't work hard in practice. I just saw [tennis] as a fun thing to do, and I was actually good at it. But then I came to a point where I had to work, because otherwise I'm not going to win. During that period I still went up on the rankings, but it could have gone faster. It made me what I am now, and I started playing well at the end of last year. In the last six months of the year I started to win challengers, and then it went really fast. This year in the ATP I think I'm pretty solid, didn't lose a lot of first round matches. But I think to make the next steps, I think I have to start to beat the big guys.

TDF: Is there any one thing, any one part of your game you think you have to improve to make that next step?

Thiemo de Bakker: I think I have to get more consistent. In my total game, there isn't one thing which is really terrible, or one thing which needs to improve a lot. It's more the complete game, it has to get more consistent to beat those guys.

TDF: You won Junior Wimbledon, as I said earlier, and you made it to the third round there this year of the main draw. Do you think grass is the surface that best suits your game?

Thiemo de Bakker: I didn't feel comfortable on grass this year, at all (laughs). I was serving well, but I really had problems moving. But I think in the future I could be really dangerous on grass. I have a good serve, I just have to get used to the running, and to the returns. If I can improve that, I think I could be a tough guy to beat on grass.

TDF: You played a match that got a lot of attention in the second round of Wimbledon, against John Isner who had just played that match against Nicolas Mahut. What was it like for you waiting to see who would win that? Obviously you had a different perspective on that match than anyone else.

Thiemo de Bakker: I had a tough first round too, I was 16-14 in the fifth, but it wasn't as tough as they had (laughs). I think we're never going to see that anymore. It was pretty sick, and for me it came out well in the second round, because he wasn't the guy who he normally is. So for me it was good, and I had an easy round. I think it was pretty sick, and I couldn't say that I was unhappy with it. I mean, for John it would be nice, and also for Mahut, he also deserved to win through. It would be better if it was different, but...

TDF: Did you watch their whole match?

Thiemo de Bakker: I watched some, I didn't see the whole match. I was playing on the first day until they were 30-all. I saw some things, but not all.

TDF: You're one of the tennis players who joined Twitter recently (@thiemodebakker), tweeting mostly in Dutch to your fans. You liking Twitter so far?

Thiemo de Bakker: Yeah, I think it's just fun to get in contact with your fans, and reply to their messages, and if they have questions you can answer them. I think it's easy, doesn't take a lot of time. Yeah, I think it's good.

Frederick16
08-14-2011, 09:22 AM
Sad to see that we can do this thread all over again.

Playing the same challenger again where his rise started:

San Sebastian Challenger Spain
CH 17 Aug 2009 to 23 Aug 2009 Entry: DA Clay (O)
32 W Miguel-Angel LOPEZ JAEN (ESP) 6-4 6-2
16 W Boris PASHANSKI (SRB) 6-4 6-4
QF W Jose CHECA-CALVO (ESP) 6-7 6-0 6-3
HF W Pedro Clar-Rosello (ESP)6-3 6-2
F W Filip Krajinovic 6-2 6-3

I like his game when he is playing aggressive! Come on Thiemo!

Frederick16
08-14-2011, 09:11 PM
I've read this on the challenger site of Nathii.. Hopefully she can help me with this one:

Then, which seeds can lose? Thiemo de Bakker was seen in a state totally not suiting for professional sportsman in Umag. Here he is seeded 4th and plays Pablo Carreno Busta. The Spaniard in his last event complained on minor health issues, but he will surely fight.

What was wrong with Thiemo???/ :eek:

Chris Kuerten
08-15-2011, 09:42 AM
Probably out partying.

Ad Wim
08-15-2011, 11:14 AM
Carreno isv ery dangerous. Just won a future last week, so he could be tired, but in form as well.

Frederick16
08-15-2011, 05:46 PM
Probably out partying.

Worse... :rolleyes:

Chris Kuerten
08-16-2011, 07:00 PM
3-6 2-6, good effort.

oematoema
08-16-2011, 07:58 PM
What a clown, might win the Roland Garros 2012 player's party.

Deivid23
08-16-2011, 10:11 PM
Looks like Thiemo is a bit of a donut

Frederick16
08-16-2011, 10:40 PM
Maybe Nathi wil once tell here what the Umag story is... 5 games then against a top 200 player is a good effort! :devil:

Filo V.
08-16-2011, 10:56 PM
Overrated player.

Frederick16
08-17-2011, 09:28 AM
Overrated player.

I hope for him the WADA ballot doesn't pick his name :D

_Chaz
08-23-2011, 12:34 PM
Lost 5-7 3-6 to Peter Gojowczyk (GER) in Manerbio CH 1st round.

Frederick16
08-23-2011, 04:31 PM
yeah it is going downwards very fast now... out of top 200 soon. Has to climb his way back up again!

Sham Kay
08-23-2011, 07:39 PM
Not sure how someone with his game loses to Peter Gojowczyk but there we go..

He's more likely to recover than Jeremy Chardy at least.

Filo V.
08-23-2011, 09:52 PM
We'll see if he can bounce back, but the reports of he not really practicing or training don't indicate that's going to happen anytime soon.

Frederick16
09-08-2011, 12:14 PM
What is true about the rumour that the brother of Mario Ancic is working with him now??

Chris Kuerten
09-08-2011, 12:21 PM
Wikipedia says it, so it has to be true.

Frederick16
09-08-2011, 12:28 PM
Wikipedia says it, so it has to be true.

I never knew Mario had a coaching brother! Does anybody know anything about his crediantals?

sheva07
09-08-2011, 12:36 PM
What is true about the rumour that the brother of Mario Ancic is working with him now??

Yes it's true. Thiemo is working with Ivica Ancic. I saw him playing one set yesterday and he served pretty good. His game has some similarities with Mario's.

Frederick16
09-08-2011, 12:58 PM
Yes it's true. Thiemo is working with Ivica Ancic. I saw him playing one set yesterday and he served pretty good. His game has some similarities with Mario's.

So thiemo will stop the gambling the booze and he will start training again?

Frederick16
10-05-2011, 05:57 AM
News from his website, finally in English also!

Ready for American autumn swing

Thiemo hopes to finish his season with positive glance. He will start his American autumn swing in Sacremento (California) next week. “This is a deliberate choice. On this moment, I prefer the slower American hard courts than the European indoor courts.”

“I also like to play in the States, a good and nice sports culture”, according to Thiemo, who will play the Tiburon challenger after Sacremento. “I want to play a lot of matches. I will have a two-week training period after these two tournaments, then I want to play two more challengers in America. After that, my season is almost done.”

Thiemo has to defend a minimal amount of points the coming weeks. A good moment to give his ranking a boost.

Also with thanks to Misty1:

Debakker def. Pospisil 6-7(7-5), 7-6(7-2), 6-3

thiemo was ahead 4-1 and 5-4 in the first set tiebreaker, he double faulted at 5-4 and lost the next 2 points in a flash

he was ahead a break early in the 2nd set but vasek got it back.

3rd set thiemo went up a double break, vasek got one back but thiemo broke again for the match

seems like thiemo served really well too. 13 aces and only 4 double faults

Reaction Thiemo:

Won a tough match today 67 76 63 happy with the way i felt and i played... Tmw day off

Topspindoctor
10-05-2011, 06:04 AM
DeBakker is another run of the mill ball basher with questionable mentality. His peak is top 30 if that.

Frederick16
10-05-2011, 09:42 AM
i hope he will ballbash more! he is actually a player who adds a lot of spin in his balls and is waiting for the UE...

Orka_n
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
DeBakker is another run of the mill ball basher with questionable mentality. His peak is top 30 if that.What? De Bakker is not a ballbasher.

Chris Kuerten
10-05-2011, 03:59 PM
He needs more ball bashing in his game, now he's a mug version of Monfils.

Sombrerero loco
10-05-2011, 11:44 PM
DeBakker is another run of the mill ball basher with questionable mentality. His peak is top 30 if that.

:facepalm: he is so pusher...

Adri89
10-06-2011, 07:24 PM
He needs more ball bashing in his game, now he's a mug version of Monfils.

Well, he isn't pushing at the point Monfils is. And his abilities at the net are a lot better.
Though he isn't a ballbasher neither.

Frederick16
10-06-2011, 10:56 PM
Quarterfinal against Ivo Karlovic...

Sombrerero loco
10-06-2011, 11:02 PM
2 consecutives victories, nice :) karlovic will be tough...

sheva07
06-22-2012, 07:07 PM
Update on Thiemo's career. After a huge drop on the rankings he's starting from the bottom with playing Futures. At the end of May he became runner up in a Spanish future. Now he is playing some Dutch futures. Last week he won Netherlands F1 and today he reached the semi's of Netherlands F2. I hope he will play Challengers real soon and come back at the level he played before.

Frederick16
06-22-2012, 07:56 PM
Too sad for him to see that we can do this thread all over from the beginning, although i cant see him make the 4 challengers in a row this time@

Sombrerero loco
06-22-2012, 09:03 PM
vamos thiemo!

Frederick16
09-09-2012, 04:44 PM
Second challenger title this year.. Will he rise back??

The Prince
09-09-2012, 05:52 PM
Yes, sir.