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Now,we can officially say Tsonga is better than Gasquet

richie21
08-14-2009, 11:17 PM
He has done every significant things Gasquet has done so far in his career(beating Federer,Djokovic and Murray,making the TMS) and a lot more(beating Nadal and Nalbandian,winning a MS,making a GS final).
Can't believe i used to rate Gasquet as the best french player.
COME ON JO!

TMJordan
08-14-2009, 11:17 PM
I'm pretty sure we all knew this a long time ago...

Certinfy
08-14-2009, 11:18 PM
I'm pretty sure we all knew this a long time ago...This... Never even liked Richie.

rubbERR
08-14-2009, 11:18 PM
are you sure about that? Tsonga losing left and right guys like Isner, karlovic, andreev ....very inconsistent results, just like Gasquet has

Nidhogg
08-14-2009, 11:19 PM
Hahahaha, it's been a while since I saw you here. It seems you haven't changed too much either. :haha:

richie21
08-14-2009, 11:20 PM
are you sure about that? Tsonga losing left and right guys like Isner, karlovic, andreev ....very inconsistent results, just like Gasquet has

Gasquet has lost against worse players,far worse actually(Qureshi :eek:)

TMJordan
08-14-2009, 11:21 PM
Only the best lose to Qureshi.

BANG BANG

ImmzB
08-14-2009, 11:22 PM
ALIE DONT GET IT TWISED

TRYIN 2 BOY QURESHI LOL!

Andi-M
08-14-2009, 11:24 PM
Hahahaha, it's been a while since I saw you here. It seems you haven't changed too much either. :haha:

:lol:

And Tsonga's career was already more significant than Gasquets when he reached a GS final 18 months ago.

Voo de Mar
08-14-2009, 11:25 PM
Hi richie, I was thinking you left this forum for period of Gasquet's non-activity. I was wrong :wavey:

Serenidad
08-14-2009, 11:25 PM
We could say that at the '08 AO F and for sure after Paris '08 win.

Bad Religion
08-14-2009, 11:27 PM
Ali is not a doper either

Another reason why he is better

ImmzB
08-14-2009, 11:30 PM
2009 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome
Italy Clay R64 Gasquet, Richard
7-6(2), 6-4

2009 Brisbane
Australia Hard Q Gasquet, Richard
1-6, 6-4, 6-2

2008 Australian Open
Australia Hard R16 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried
6-2, 6-7(5), 7-6(6), 6-3

2007 ATP Masters Series Paris
France Hard R32 Gasquet, Richard
7-5, 7-6(3)

2007 Lyon
France Carpet R16 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried
6-4, 6-4

2007 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass R16 Gasquet, Richard
6-4, 6-3, 6-4

richie21
08-14-2009, 11:35 PM
2009 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome
Italy Clay R64 Gasquet, Richard
7-6(2), 6-4

2009 Brisbane
Australia Hard Q Gasquet, Richard
1-6, 6-4, 6-2

2008 Australian Open
Australia Hard R16 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried
6-2, 6-7(5), 7-6(6), 6-3

2007 ATP Masters Series Paris
France Hard R32 Gasquet, Richard
7-5, 7-6(3)

2007 Lyon
France Carpet R16 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried
6-4, 6-4

2007 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass R16 Gasquet, Richard
6-4, 6-3, 6-4


And???
Gasquet has also a winning record against Murray: would you say he is better than Murray?:lol:

Gaudio2004
08-14-2009, 11:38 PM
Gasquet: 1 Grand Slam
Murray: 0 Grand Slam
Tsonga: 0 Grand slam

Oh.

PiggyGotRoasted
08-14-2009, 11:46 PM
Gasquet: 1 Grand Slam
Murray: 0 Grand Slam
Tsonga: 0 Grand slam

Oh.

lol?

Gaudio2004
08-14-2009, 11:49 PM
lol?

Gasquet has a Grand Slam? Yes, he does. :)

PiggyGotRoasted
08-14-2009, 11:56 PM
Gasquet has a Grand Slam? Yes, he does. :)

If you mean the Drug Users Open then sorry but that isnt officially an itf event :o

Serenidad
08-14-2009, 11:59 PM
People mentioning 2005 RG Mixed Doubles for a slam. :tape:

I'd reckon Golovin was the better player in that pair up.

Black Adam
08-15-2009, 12:00 AM
Gascoke won a slam? :unsure: When and where?

Serenidad
08-15-2009, 12:02 AM
Gascoke won a slam? :unsure: When and where?

They are saying 2004/5 RG mixed doubles.

Black Adam
08-15-2009, 12:02 AM
A mixed doubles slam? Next thing you know they'll be saying Federer has a Golden career slam.

richie21
08-15-2009, 12:02 AM
Gasquet: 1 Grand Slam
Murray: 0 Grand Slam
Tsonga: 0 Grand slam

Oh.

No:

Gasquet: 2 Grand Slams
Murray: 1 Grand Slam
Tsonga: 0 Grand slam









...but in Juniors,that is :p


Gasquet’s junior career is notable for its brevity. He played only ten individual junior tournaments and two team events over a four-year period, but this was enough to establish him as the world’s top junior and to claim two Grand Slam titles

Gaudio2004
08-15-2009, 12:02 AM
Gascoke won a slam? :unsure: When and where?

French Open 2004 mixed doubles.

No:

Gasquet: 2 Grand Slams
Murray: 1 Grand Slam
Tsonga: 0 Grand slam



But that's in Juniors,that is :p

Why have you turned on Gasquet, I seem to remember you were just blind when it came to any negative discussion of Gasquet, a lot of people predicted he would be at this level now (no where near the top 8).

Cloudygirl
08-15-2009, 12:05 AM
nice to see my favourite mtf troll is back.

richie21
08-15-2009, 12:13 AM
French Open 2004 mixed doubles.



Why have you turned on Gasquet, I seem to remember you were just blind when it came to any negative discussion of Gasquet, a lot of people predicted he would be at this level now (no where near the top 8).

Go back to 2006 or in 2007 and look at some polls in this board about who would win the most Slams beetween the youngsters (Djokovic,Murray,Gasquet,Monfils,Berdych and cie).....i think you'd be very surprised.

Anyway,i don't know how you can say i was blind when it came to any negative comment about Gasquet as i've always been one of the guys in this board who have criticized him the most.
Hell,i even created a "negative" thread about him just after his Wimbledon 2007 1/2 final!

Gaudio2004
08-15-2009, 12:15 AM
Go back to 2006 or in 2007 and look at some polls in this board about who would win the most Slams beetween the youngsters (Djokovic,Murray,Gasquet,Monfils,Berdych and cie).....i think you'd be very surprised.

I don't think so, bar the fanboys and the tennis-idiots, not too many predicted Gasquet to win multiple Grand Slams.

That saying, he should be looking to reach at least the Quarter Finals of the US Open - he has had fresh rest while everyone is tired (similar to Nalbandian winning the 2 AMS shields in late 2007, he was fresh).

No comment for the Gasquet hate?

Gaudio2004
08-15-2009, 12:16 AM
A mixed doubles slam? Next thing you know they'll be saying Federer has a Golden career slam.

Next they'll say Roddick is a One-Slam wonder.

Oh..

Clydey
08-15-2009, 12:17 AM
Go back to 2006 or in 2007 and look at some polls in this board about who would win the most Slams beetween the youngsters (Djokovic,Murray,Gasquet,Monfils,Berdych and cie).....i think you'd be very surprised.

Anyway,i don't know how you can say i was blinf when it came to any negative comment about Gasquet as i've always been one of the guys in this board who have criticized him the most.
Hell,i even created a "negative" thread about him just after his Wimbledon 2007 1/2 final!

That's because Gasquet is the only player you ever talk about. You manage to work his name into every discussion.

Serenidad
08-15-2009, 12:19 AM
Next they'll say Roddick is a One-Slam wonder.

Oh..

Its too bad Roddick's volley is just as clown as his ground game so he can't win a mixed doubles slam with someone.

richie21
08-15-2009, 12:20 AM
That's because Gasquet is the only player you ever talk about. You manage to work his name into every discussion.

I also talk a lot about Tsonga and nevertheless,i've rarely criticized him despite he could have deserved at some ocasions.Why?
Because at least,he's playing up to his potential and doesn't try to find pathetic excuses for his losses("every player who beat me plays like a top10,etc...").

GlennMirnyi
08-15-2009, 12:28 AM
I also talk a lot about Tsonga and nevertheless,i've rarely criticized him despite he could have deserved at some ocasions.Why?
Because at least,he's playing up to his potential and doesn't try to find pathetic excuses for his losses("every player who beat me plays like a top10,etc...").

Tsonga has a lot more potential than what he's showing lately.

Matt01
08-15-2009, 03:19 AM
nice to see my favourite mtf troll is back.


Mine, too.

kooties
08-15-2009, 03:31 AM
why yes.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-15-2009, 03:53 AM
As bad as the Ali wannabe is at tennis no one is worse than the coked up Gasgirl.

jcempire
08-15-2009, 03:58 AM
He has done every significant things Gasquet has done so far in his career(beating Federer,Djokovic and Murray,making the TMS) and a lot more(beating Nadal and Nalbandian,winning a MS,making a GS final).
Can't believe i used to rate Gasquet as the best french player.
COME ON JO!

Agree!!!!!!!!!!!! Tsonga does do it better than Gasquet does

Gaudio2004
08-15-2009, 04:02 AM
As bad as the Ali wannabe is at tennis no one is worse than the coked up Gasgirl.

Same Gasquet who will be a better tennis player then you will ever be? :wavey:

DJ Soup
08-15-2009, 04:06 AM
I like Simon's game better but yeah Tsonga, dangerous guy

Forehander
08-15-2009, 05:57 AM
I like Simon's game better but yeah Tsonga, dangerous guy

Why would you like Simon's game better? What kind of human are you exactly?

Cloudygirl
08-15-2009, 10:04 AM
As bad as the Ali wannabe is at tennis no one is worse than the coked up Gasgirl.

wow so witty and original how many hours did it take for you to come up with that one :rolleyes::rolleyes:

scoobs
08-15-2009, 10:57 AM
Newsflash!

Oh, no...wait...never mind.

HattonWBA
08-15-2009, 11:24 AM
I suppose

Horatio Caine
08-15-2009, 11:53 AM
Well, Gasquet is more of an all-surface player, so he is better than Tsonga in that respect.

But as far as singles achievements actually go, Tsonga eclipsed him 20 months ago...so you are very late with that observation! :o

Boris Franz Ecker
08-15-2009, 12:14 PM
Well, Gasquet is more of an all-surface player, so he is better than Tsonga in that respect.

But as far as singles achievements actually go, Tsonga eclipsed him 20 months ago...so you are very late with that observation! :o

Not really.
Reaching finals means nothing at the end.
Gasquet has won 5 titles (>4) and made some more money.
Tsonga won that Masters Series 2500+ title, but ATP does everything to keep the importance of this series as small as possible, renaming it every years.
No killer feature for Tsonga.
Gasquet is statistically a little bit ahead, Tsonga can change it, but he hasn't yet.
Gasquet even leads the h2h.

murray_2k8
08-15-2009, 01:03 PM
More accomploshied, perhaps, but not more talented. I hope the ban makes Gasquet realise what he stands to lose and to get his ass into gear. He should be top 10, he adds something different and interesting to the game whether you like him or not :)

leng jai
08-15-2009, 01:06 PM
Someone explain how Gasquet is so talented. His forehand is beyond awful, and the serve doesn't exactly strike fear into the hearts of his opponents. There goes the two most important shots in tennis.

scoobs
08-15-2009, 01:11 PM
Someone explain how Gasquet is so talented. His forehand is beyond awful, and the serve doesn't exactly strike fear into the hearts of his opponents. There goes the two most important shots in tennis.
He beat Federer on clay in 2005 and legends never die.

kooties
08-15-2009, 01:12 PM
Someone explain how Gasquet is so talented. His forehand is beyond awful, and the serve doesn't exactly strike fear into the hearts of his opponents. There goes the two most important shots in tennis.

I think it's the hat.

gaitare
08-15-2009, 02:12 PM
And???
Gasquet has also a winning record against Murray: would you say he is better than Murray?:lol:

Gasquet is way better than Murray. He's just not winning as many matches.

Julio
08-15-2009, 02:15 PM
Gasquet is way better than Tsonga, that's all. You can't compare both. It's all about talent, you know. :)

Saya-nee-sama
08-15-2009, 02:48 PM
I don't Think Tsonga is better than Gasquet. ummm I think it's a tie. Both horribly inconsistant

richie21
08-15-2009, 04:15 PM
I don't Think Tsonga is better than Gasquet. ummm I think it's a tie. Both horribly inconsistant

Tsonga might be a bit inconsistant(although he's been one of the best players this year) but at least,he has proven himself capable of winning big titles while Gasquet has only been able to win MM tournaments so far,despite having played much more matches and tournaments than Tsonga so far(Tsonga has suffered from a lot of grave injuries in the last few years).

rubbERR
08-15-2009, 04:18 PM
Tsonga might be a bit inconsistant(although he's been one of the best players this year) but at least,he has proven himself capable of winning big titles while Gasquet has only been able to win MM tournaments so far,despite having played much more matches and tournaments than Tsonga so far(Tsonga has suffered from a lot of grave injuries in the last few years).

tsonga is 15th in race so he has not been one of the best players this season.

Cloudygirl
08-15-2009, 04:18 PM
Tsonga might be a bit inconsistant(although he's been one of the best players this year) but at least,he has proven himself capable of winning big titles while Gasquet has only been able to win MM tournaments so far,despite having played much more matches and tournaments than Tsonga so far(Tsonga has suffered from a lot of grave injuries in the last few years).

titles?? plural? What major titles has Tsonga won bar Bercy.

richie21
08-15-2009, 04:22 PM
titles?? plural? What major titles has Tsonga won bar Bercy.

I didn't say he won big titles(bar Bercy like you said) but i said he proved he was capable of winning big titles by making a GS final and winning a MS,not to mention by having a good record against the top 4(he has a losing record only against Nadal)

Saya-nee-sama
08-15-2009, 05:22 PM
I don't know. I don't find him more successful than Gasquet. but maybe I am Biased Because I'm one of richard's fans.i don't know.

Chiakifug
08-15-2009, 05:47 PM
Tsonga is better the any of the other Frenchies when hes playing even remotely well. :shrug:

JimmyV
08-15-2009, 05:57 PM
Tsonga has played 9 slams. He been past the 4th round twice, the quarters at this years Aussie and the final at last years Aussie.
Gasquet has played 21 slams. He has been past the 4th round once, the semi's at 07' Wimbledon.

Tsonga has played 11 masters series tournaments, he has 1 quarterfinal and 1 win. (12 counting montreal where he is currently in the semifinals).
Gasquet has played 35 masters, he has 2 finals, 2 semi's, and 2 quarters.

Gasquet has 5 titles, his most recent in 07'.
Tsonga has 4 titles, his most recent in 09'.

Head to head versus the current top 10:

Tsonga :
Federer - 1-1
Nadal - 1-3
Murray - 1-1
Djokovic - 4-2
Roddick - 1-2
Del Potro - 0-3
Davydenko - 0-2
Simon - 1-1
Verdasco - 0-1

Gasquet:
Federer - 1-6
Nadal - 0-6
Murray - 2-1
Djokovic - 1-2
Roddick - 1-2
Del Potro - 1-2
Tsonga - 4-2
Davydenko - 1-1
Simon - 4-0
Verdasco - 4-3

Tsonga has 26 weeks total ranked in the top ten, and growing.
Gasquet has 31 weeks total ranked in the top ten.
Gasquet's career high ranking is 7, Tsonga's is 6.

Gasquet went pro in 2002, Tsonga in 2004.

Draw your own conclusions.

Saya-nee-sama
08-15-2009, 06:10 PM
Tsonga has played 9 slams. He been past the 4th round twice, the quarters at this years Aussie and the final at last years Aussie.
Gasquet has played 21 slams. He has been past the 4th round once, the semi's at 07' Wimbledon.

Tsonga has played 11 masters series tournaments, he has 1 quarterfinal and 1 win.
Gasquet has played 35 masters, he has 2 finals, 2 semi's, and 2 quarters.

Gasquet has 5 titles, his most recent in 07'.
Tsonga has 4 titles, his most recent in 09'.

Head to head versus the current top 10:

Tsonga :
Federer - 1-1
Nadal - 1-3
Murray - 1-1
Djokovic - 4-2
Roddick - 1-2
Del Potro - 0-3
Davydenko - 0-2
Simon - 1-1
Verdasco - 0-1

Gasquet:
Federer - 1-6
Nadal - 0-6
Murray - 2-1
Djokovic - 1-2
Roddick - 1-2
Del Potro - 1-2
Tsonga - 4-2
Davydenko - 1-1
Simon - 4-0
Verdasco - 4-3

Tsonga has 26 weeks total ranked in the top ten, and growing.
Gasquet has 31 weeks total ranked in the top ten.
Gasquet's career high ranking is 7, Tsonga's is 6.

Gasquet went pro in 2002, Tsonga in 2004.

Draw your own conclusions but I think the answer is obvious.

Ok yeah , Tsonga's better then.

Horatio Caine
08-15-2009, 11:32 PM
Not really.
Reaching finals means nothing at the end.
Gasquet has won 5 titles (>4) and made some more money.
Tsonga won that Masters Series 2500+ title, but ATP does everything to keep the importance of this series as small as possible, renaming it every years.
No killer feature for Tsonga.
Gasquet is statistically a little bit ahead, Tsonga can change it, but he hasn't yet.
Gasquet even leads the h2h.

I think you're 'nit-picking' a little to be honest, mate. :p

People will remember the most important achievements for a player...Grand Slams, Masters, Olympics, Davis Cup, rankings and titles.

In which case:
1. Tsonga has reached a Grand Slam final...Gasquet hasn't.
2. Tsonga has won a Masters Series...Gasquet hasn't.
3. Tsonga has established himself in the French Davis Cup team (3-0 in singles)...Gasquet has flopped in some winnable matches, and caused a stir in the last tie he played in.
4. Tsonga has eclipsed Gasquet's career-high ranking (6:7) and is only something like 8 weeks away from clocking up more time in the top 10 than Gasquet, to date.

5. Sure, Gasquet has won one more title than Tsonga, but with the greatest respect to him, all 5 are the lowest grade of ATP event. Moreover, Tsonga has won all 4 of his titles within the last 12 months!
6. Yes, Gasquet has earned more money...but Tsonga will be less than $1m behind on Monday, and will most probably overtake him by the end of the year, unless he suffers a bad injury.
7. Yes, Gasquet holds the head-to-head advantage...can't argue that one. :)


Anyway, I think it is a good discussion, and I have enjoyed watching both players over the last few years.

But I do believe that Tsonga presents the utmost threat on a particular surface (particularly fast courts)...which could enable him to beat the very best in those conditions, and contend for the biggest titles in those conditions.

Whereas, Gasquet, to me, is a better all-round player, but one I don't expect to present an enormous threat in any major draw. I'm not saying that he won't make the 2nd week in future Grand Slams/get to latter stages of Masters...but he isn't one of the handful that I would immediately look out for at a certain event.

Burrow
08-15-2009, 11:41 PM
I didn't say he won big titles(bar Bercy like you said) but i said he proved he was capable of winning big titles by making a GS final and winning a MS,not to mention by having a good record against the top 4(he has a losing record only against Nadal)

Hardly a good record against top 4.

Equal against Federer, only played twice.
4-2 over Djokovic.
Losing record to Murray, played thrice.
Losing record to Nadal, 3-1, played four times.

He only has a winning head to head against one of them.

ReturnWinner
08-16-2009, 02:33 AM
Tsonga is better, has way better serve and forehand and I'd say better net game too.

Forehander
08-16-2009, 03:04 AM
Other than the Backhand. Everything else of Tsonga's beats Gasquets at this current moment.

Gaudio2004
08-16-2009, 03:07 AM
Tsonga is better, has way better serve and forehand and I'd say better net game too.

Gasquet is younger, his backhand is in a different planet compared to Tsonga's, the difference between serve isn't that much and Gasquet has better foot-work.

Schu
08-16-2009, 03:10 AM
Ahh Richie 21, Glad you've found someone else to pin your hopes on - who will you turn to when your new idol disappoints?

Their carrers aren't over yet so you may have spoken too soon. Tsonga may have the better career now and in the long run but I'll take Gasquet's variety, touch and overall exciting game over the big serve/big forehand, inconsistent dancing fool Tsonga any day.

GlennMirnyi
08-16-2009, 04:52 AM
Gasquet is younger, his backhand is in a different planet compared to Tsonga's, the difference between serve isn't that much and Gasquet has better foot-work.

The difference in serve is light-years stuff.

Arkulari
08-16-2009, 05:14 AM
Tsonga serves so much better than Richie and his FH is much better as well, the only aspect of Richie's game that is better is his BH ;)

Both are headcases, but at least Tsonga has managed to run deep in a slam, win a MS and beat good players along the way ;)

Gaudio2004
08-16-2009, 10:00 PM
Tsonga serves so much better than Richie and his FH is much better as well, the only aspect of Richie's game that is better is his BH ;)

Both are headcases, but at least Tsonga has managed to run deep in a slam, win a MS and beat good players along the way ;)

Gasquet has reached the SF of Wimbledon = deep, he has been beaten twice by Federer in his prime at AMS's, and Gasquet has beaten players like Roddick, Djokovic, Davydenko, Federer, Murray, all solid players.

richie21
08-16-2009, 10:06 PM
The difference in serve is light-years stuff.

+100000
And to think they call me a Gasquet fanboy :rolleyes:

Gasquet has reached the SF of Wimbledon = deep, he has been beaten twice by Federer in his prime at AMS's, and Gasquet has beaten players like Roddick, Djokovic, Davydenko, Federer, Murray, all solid players.

Yeah but contrary to Tsonga,Gasquet has only managed to win MM titles so far and that's a huge difference.
So much for someone who was labelled as an almost certain GS winner by the french press since he was 9.....:rolleyes:
Ffs,even Grosjean had achieved far more things than Gasquet at Gasquet's current age!
That just tells you the whole story.

Gaudio2004
08-17-2009, 11:13 PM
Haha Richie21, learn to be patient, look at Mauresmo, another French sensation, she claimed 2 Grand Slams just when everyone thought she had no chance, Gasquet isn't the head-case that Mauresmo is (and that's saying something) so he has more potential to win Slams.

richie21
08-18-2009, 12:42 AM
Haha Richie21, learn to be patient, look at Mauresmo, another French sensation, she claimed 2 Grand Slams just when everyone thought she had no chance, Gasquet isn't the head-case that Mauresmo is (and that's saying something) so he has more potential to win Slams.

You just can't fucking compare Mauresmo with Gasquet!
Even before she won her first grand slam,Mauresmo had already won many big titles and made multiple GS 1/2 finals + 1 GS final,not to mention she was regularly in the top 6.
Gasquet is FAR,very FAR from having just achieved that,let alone winning GSs.
Mauresmo had widely proven she was capable of winning Grand Slams before winning the AO in 2006,it was just her mental which had let her down until then(+ some bad luck at times).
Gasquet on the other hand has yet to even prove he can win a big title beating top players,let alone a Grand Slam.
When you haven't been capable of even winning a MS in seven years on the tour,that means you have almost no chance of having a successful career in the future.
Oh and a last thing: just before the AO 2006,many thought Mauresmo would have a great chance as she had just won the biggest title of her career few months ago (the TMC).
She was ALWAYS a contender in any of the Grand Slam....if you except the last 2 years.