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A bit of history? First time top 8 players in the world make QFs at same tourney

dijus
08-14-2009, 02:03 AM
when was the last time it happened, anyone?

scoobs
08-14-2009, 02:04 AM
According to the tennistv.com commentators before, it's never been done that the top 8 ranked players in the world all make it to the QFs of the same event.

Until now

1 Federer
2 Nadal
3 Murray
4 Djokovic
5 Roddick
6 Del Potro
7 Tsonga
8 Davydenko

all progressed today.

Somehow I'm quite surprised this has never happened before until now.

sweetymessi
08-14-2009, 02:05 AM
i don't know

Action Jackson
08-14-2009, 02:06 AM
That is slightly misleading, it has happened before that the top 8 seeds have made it through. But it's not often the top 8 are all at the same event apart from Slams.

Black Adam
08-14-2009, 02:07 AM
I don't buy that this is the first time ever. I'll wait for Voo's confirmation.

Henry Chinaski
08-14-2009, 02:07 AM
must've happened ffs.

anyway, the 8 wankers got first round byes so it doesn't count

rubbERR
08-14-2009, 02:08 AM
6 good solid performers + two muggy ones. :lol:

habibko
08-14-2009, 02:08 AM
according to Adler, never.

scoobs
08-14-2009, 02:11 AM
That is slightly misleading, it has happened before that the top 8 seeds have made it through. But it's not often the top 8 are all at the same event apart from Slams.
well quite - they did say the event was the top 8 ranked players in the world, not just the top 8 seeds, which has happened before occasionally

MIMIC
08-14-2009, 02:13 AM
Wow. That's pretty shocking.

Never?

Action Jackson
08-14-2009, 02:13 AM
It's not much an achievement when they are Byes involved.

rocketassist
08-14-2009, 02:14 AM
I'm with Henry on this- ever since De Villiers killed these TMSs by taking the first round away from the seeded players it's too easy to do this.

These masters series used to be such a challenge, having to win six tough matches in a week, now it's just shit.

scoobs
08-14-2009, 02:14 AM
It's not much an achievement when they are Byes involved.
it would be more impressive if they'd all had to win 3 matches, agreed.

Everko
08-14-2009, 02:18 AM
why would you think 56 draw is better than 64?

Voo de Mar
08-14-2009, 02:18 AM
Apparently it has happened for the first time but was very close this year twice:
- at the Aussie Open would have been Top 8 players in the quarters but Verdasco beat Murray
- in Miami the same situation, this time Tsonga upset Simon

:o

I think it tells there is huge gap this year between Top 10 players and the rest of the mugs...

habibko
08-14-2009, 02:18 AM
doesn't matter to me how many matches they won, first time top 8 players in the world in QF!? that's freaking awesome!! :woohoo:

MacTheKnife
08-14-2009, 02:22 AM
I don't buy that this is the first time ever. I'll wait for Voo's confirmation.

My thought exactly. I thought of Voo when they said that.

it would be more impressive if they'd all had to win 3 matches, agreed.

Well it's still pretty impressive, because either way, it doesn't happen very often. I thought for sure there'd be at least one upset today.

Action Jackson
08-14-2009, 02:23 AM
Yes, winning 2 matches and in the quarters of TMS that is so good, only the points are different from an IS event.

abraxas21
08-14-2009, 02:24 AM
These masters series used to be such a challenge, having to win six tough matches in a week, now it's just shit.


errr.. now it's actually just five "tough matches in a week". i hardly see how taking out one match can instantly transform a tourney from "such a challenge" to "shit", especially considering that the first round that the first seeds had back in the day was usually the easiest one.

MacTheKnife
08-14-2009, 02:26 AM
doesn't matter to me how many matches they won, first time top 8 players in the world in QF!? that's freaking awesome!! :woohoo:

That's true too. If it wasn't impressive, we'd have all kinds of examples when it happened before right off the top of our heads. I sure as hell don't remember one.

I'm sure Voo will confirm or deny.

rocketassist
08-14-2009, 02:27 AM
errr.. now it's actually just five "tough matches in a week". i hardly see how taking out one match can instantly transform a tourney from "such a challenge" to "shit", especially considering that the first round that the first seeds had back in the day was usually the easiest one.

It was more tiring, especially going from Canada to Cincy and playing two days later if you won Canada, Roddick's 2003 achievement was superhuman.

Five matches is what an ATP IS or ISG would normally have to win. By making TMSs five matches you're relegating the valuation of them. Not to mention removing five set finals.

No wonder people say Murray can only still win MMs when they have messed masters series and made them easier.

GlennMirnyi
08-14-2009, 02:28 AM
A bit of history?

MUG ERA.

This is a disgrace for tennis.

habibko
08-14-2009, 02:29 AM
That's true too. If it wasn't impressive, we'd have all kinds of examples when it happened before right off the top of our heads. I sure as hell don't remember one.

I'm sure Voo will confirm or deny.

too much pressure on Voo, he is gonna choke at this rate :lol:

byes have been around for a while now, and it still didn't happen before :cool:

neme6
08-14-2009, 02:29 AM
it's the first time in a major tournament! it happened before in minor tournaments, at least once!

Voo de Mar
08-14-2009, 02:33 AM
too much pressure on Voo, he is gonna choke at this rate :lol:

byes have been around for a while now, and it still didn't happen before :cool:

I posted in this thread on the previous page :)

Sunset of Age
08-14-2009, 02:33 AM
Ah, so that's the reason I did so well on my vCash bettings lately. :angel:

fast_clay
08-14-2009, 02:38 AM
EDV: condense draws, protect top 10, market players easier

Action Jackson
08-14-2009, 02:40 AM
EDV: condense draws, protect top 10, market players easier

Worked hasn't it?

Corey Feldman
08-14-2009, 02:48 AM
so when are the times its happened that the top 8 seeds have been in QF of tournaments?

MacTheKnife
08-14-2009, 02:49 AM
Apparently it has happened for the first time but was very close this year twice:
- at the Aussie Open would have been Top 8 players in the quarters but Verdasco beat Murray
- in Miami the same situation, this time Tsonga upset Simon

:o

I think it tells there is huge gap this year between Top 10 players and the rest of the mugs...

Well there you have it. Your bottom line says it all. A couple of ways to look at this for sure.
Or one could say top 8, if you look at 9 and 10.

Action Jackson
08-14-2009, 02:51 AM
so when are the times its happened that the top 8 seeds have been in QF of tournaments?

Happened at the Tokyo Indoor, also happened at Kitzi one year. Voo, will have these exact dates in his memory bank.

freeandlonely
08-14-2009, 02:51 AM
And Ranking top8 atm are from 8 different nations. And it's M1000. Maybe not much, but surely at least a bit(all right, a little little little bit) of history.

Burrow
08-14-2009, 02:59 AM
Shows how rubbish this era is to be honest, the rest of the boys love bending over for the top dogs.

vamosinator
08-14-2009, 03:02 AM
I'm not surprised by this at all. When we get to the quarter-final stage of an event we always see someone has an easy quarter-final, there are never all tough quarter-finals.

Voo de Mar
08-14-2009, 03:02 AM
Happened at the Tokyo Indoor, also happened at Kitzi one year. Voo, will have these exact dates in his memory bank.

Tokyo 1991 and Kitzbuhel 2004 (but I had to check out Kitzi :p)

Action Jackson
08-14-2009, 03:05 AM
Tokyo 1991 and Kitzbuhel 2004 (but I had to check out Kitzi :p)

I knew that you would have it covered, with the dates.

Corey Feldman
08-14-2009, 03:13 AM
I'm not surprised by this at all. When we get to the quarter-final stage of an event we always see someone has an easy quarter-final, there are never all tough quarter-finals.sure we will see the same again tomorrow when Del Potro
retires after 3 games v Rafa

out_here_grindin
08-14-2009, 03:15 AM
A bit of history?

MUG ERA.

This is a disgrace for tennis.

Your right, it's way better when the top 8 can't beat players ranked lower than them.

mr_burns
08-14-2009, 03:18 AM
the benefit of the bye is that the players are able to play back to back Masters, and it seems to work

what a great Friday to come

KoOlMaNsEaN
08-14-2009, 03:19 AM
Peter Burwash(TSN Canada) says it's the first time ever it's happened since the statistics started in 1973

GlennMirnyi
08-14-2009, 03:20 AM
Your right, it's way better when the top 8 can't beat players ranked lower than them.

It's way better when the other players can beat the top players.

Action Jackson
08-14-2009, 03:21 AM
the benefit of the bye is that the players are able to play back to back Masters, and it seems to work

what a great Friday to come

Actually, not having Masters events back to back is the simple and logical idea, but the ATP aren't a logical organisation.

Audacity
08-14-2009, 03:30 AM
doesn't matter to me how many matches they won, first time top 8 players in the world in QF!? that's freaking awesome!! :woohoo:

I'm excited to see some good tennis.

straitup
08-14-2009, 03:32 AM
Let's hope the matches live up to the history that was made with the top 8 players making the QFs at the same tourney.

munZe konZa
08-14-2009, 03:35 AM
[1] R Federer (SUI) d S Wawrinka (SUI) 63 76(5)
[2] R Nadal (ESP) d P Petzschner (GER) 63 62
[3] A Murray (GBR) d [Q] J Ferrero (ESP) 61 63
[4] N Djokovic (SRB) d M Youzhny (RUS) 63 64
[5] A Roddick (USA) d [10] F Verdasco (ESP) 76(2) 46 76(5)
[6] J Del Potro (ARG) d V Hanescu (ROU) 36 63 64
[7] J Tsonga (FRA) d [9] G Simon (FRA) 63 63
[8] N Davydenko (RUS) d [11] F Gonzalez (CHI) 76(2) 75

Albop
08-14-2009, 03:52 AM
Master series events are getting worse every year.

calvinhobbes
08-14-2009, 05:41 AM
it's the first time in a major tournament! it happened before in minor tournaments, at least once!

I donīt believe there has been a minor tournament with the eight top ranked in its draw . . . . . .

ChinoRios4Ever
08-14-2009, 05:46 AM
The ATP becoming WTA. Now the men tennis are so predictable nowadays.

See the gap between the top 12 players and the rest of the "mugs" (MTF mode OFF) and you'll see the difference of the good players and the average players.

You hardly see big upsets in the big ones like we saw in the 90's (a real era) and the early 2000's.

Sadly, but this is a fact. :sad:

Ichiban1920
08-14-2009, 05:49 AM
Mug fucking era.

HattonWBA
08-14-2009, 08:05 AM
Nice line up for the quarter finals

Action Jackson
08-14-2009, 08:30 AM
I donīt believe there has been a minor tournament with the eight top ranked in its draw . . . . . .

You would be right.

leng jai
08-14-2009, 08:45 AM
I donīt believe there has been a minor tournament with the eight top ranked in its draw . . . . . .

Australian Open.

federersforehand
08-14-2009, 09:48 AM
A bit of history?

MUG ERA.

This is a disgrace for tennis.

why dont you do us all a favour and fuck off. 38000 posts, all complete shit.

ballbasher101
08-14-2009, 09:56 AM
I have to say that I am very surprised that this has never occured before. Another thing, I am getting tired of people saying this is a mug era. To those people who think that this is a mug era why don't you join the tour and let us see what you can do.

delpiero7
08-14-2009, 10:44 AM
Didn't realise that Roddick won 12 matches in 14 days to win the two Masters events back in 2003. :worship:

It's true that the Masters aren't so exciting with 1st round byes or best of 5 set finals. Either they should make it a 48 man draw and reintroduce best of 5 finals. (48 instead of 56 on the off chance that a player outside the top 8 makes the final, it would most likely be someone still in the top 16. They wouldn't be at such a huge disadvantage if they also had a bye in R1).

Either that or a 64 man draw with a regular 3 set final.

Reintroducing both would be overkill for a one week tourney IMO.

Bazooka
08-14-2009, 10:51 AM
It's tiresome to listen to all sour weepers calling this a weak era, mug era, wta-like, predictable, etc, simply because this has happened ONCE in history.

Seeds in QF:

2008
AO 1,2,3,5,12,14,24,unseeded
RG 1,2,3,5,19,24,unseeded x2
WIM 1,2,12,31,unseeded x4
USO 1,2,3,6,8,17,unseeded x 2
17/32(53%) seeded higher than 8.

2009
AO 1,2,3,5,6,7,14
RG 2,3,5,10,11,16,23
WIM 2,3,4,6,22,26, unseeded x2
10/24(42%) seeded higher than 8

Now let's see how good it was in your "golden age" when grass was greener and faster, and sets lasted 25 minutes:

1995
AO 1,2,5,9,10,13,unseeded x2
RG 1,5,6,7,9,unseeded x3
WIM 1,2,3,4,6,unseeded x3
USO 1,2,4,5,14,unseeded x3
16/32(50%) seeded higher than 8.

1996
AO 2,4,5,6,7,8,unseeded x2
RG 1,6,7,13,14,15,unseeded x2
WIM 1,4,13,17,unseeded x4
USO 1,2,3,4,6,unseeded x3
16/32(50%) seeded higher than 8.

Oooooh, the fucking same! So the mug era started with Sampras, apparently. However, other than to prove the worth of some comments in MTF, this adds nothing to an "strong/weak" era debate.

I don't really think high ranked players reaching the later rounds of tournaments is a sign of apocalypsis. I want to see the good players in the late rounds, with a mix of decent mid ranked players that challenge them, and a sprinkle of low-ranked hunting for glory... which happens to be the recipe for current slams, and 90's slams as well.

madmax
08-14-2009, 11:00 AM
it's freaking awsome man, TOP 8 players lining up in a quarters - a feast on the eye for the random tennis geek:bowdown:

MacTheKnife
08-14-2009, 12:02 PM
Great day for tennis, Williams sisters both beaten in the same day. Now that is good for tennis.

Henry Chinaski
08-14-2009, 12:07 PM
Didn't realise that Roddick won 12 matches in 14 days to win the two Masters events back in 2003. :worship:

.

doper

habibko
08-14-2009, 12:26 PM
mug era? this has happened for the FIRST TIME!!!! it's not like the top 8 make it to the QF every tournament these days you :retard:s

fast_clay
08-14-2009, 01:01 PM
It's tiresome to listen to all sour weepers calling this a weak era, mug era, wta-like, predictable, etc, simply because this has happened ONCE in history.

Seeds in QF:

2008
AO 1,2,3,5,12,14,24,unseeded
RG 1,2,3,5,19,24,unseeded x2
WIM 1,2,12,31,unseeded x4
USO 1,2,3,6,8,17,unseeded x 2
17/32(53%) seeded higher than 8.

2009
AO 1,2,3,5,6,7,14
RG 2,3,5,10,11,16,23
WIM 2,3,4,6,22,26, unseeded x2
10/24(42%) seeded higher than 8

Now let's see how good it was in your "golden age" when grass was greener and faster, and sets lasted 25 minutes:

1995
AO 1,2,5,9,10,13,unseeded x2
RG 1,5,6,7,9,unseeded x3
WIM 1,2,3,4,6,unseeded x3
USO 1,2,4,5,14,unseeded x3
16/32(50%) seeded higher than 8.

1996
AO 2,4,5,6,7,8,unseeded x2
RG 1,6,7,13,14,15,unseeded x2
WIM 1,4,13,17,unseeded x4
USO 1,2,3,4,6,unseeded x3
16/32(50%) seeded higher than 8.

Oooooh, the fucking same! So the mug era started with Sampras, apparently. However, other than to prove the worth of some comments in MTF, this adds nothing to an "strong/weak" era debate.

I don't really think high ranked players reaching the later rounds of tournaments is a sign of apocalypsis. I want to see the good players in the late rounds, with a mix of decent mid ranked players that challenge them, and a sprinkle of low-ranked hunting for glory... which happens to be the recipe for current slams, and 90's slams as well.

an interesting post indeed...

worth mentioning that the GSs are outside of the jurisdiction of the ATP - hence, the draws and format will not get played with like has been done with dropping the draws to 56, 3 set finals in various tourneys etc etc.. and long may that be the case, as GS's may be seen as the last level playing field left and, seeding aside, respects all players equally by presenting the potentially same road to the championship...

in some ways i agree with the seeds getting a bye, as, the tournament schedule is a bit of a joke (esp. here with back to back masters series) and the top players who have braved the system to get to the top may just deserve their free ticket to the second round... i do not think the bye measure is required in a MSeries where the tour schedule is not so imposed on the players ie: so many mandatories...

however, it was something chinaski said a few months back about how marketable the new EDV inspired tournament elite is if you have a condensed and stable top ten... i think we are getting closer to realising this new tournament elite during atp time... it may work better in time to come when two players do not have such a monopoly on GS play, but time will tell...

so i dont agree with the bye in these MSeries events as it limits the opportunity for the atp to present a fresh face to the deeper stages of the tournaments, and later, the upper tier of the ranks... these elite atp events are not a level playing field... and its ok if everyone accepts that... more money for those that enter i guess...

the guys who were in the top 10-15 with the new changes are fortunate as they garaunteed themselves those nice little perks they are copping today, and so find it just that little bit easier to perform on finals day and hold their rank...

Ouragan
08-14-2009, 02:24 PM
The Rogers cup website confirms this.

"For the first time in history, the top eight players in the world reach final eight of an ATP World Tour event"


It's sweet to have such a strong Top 8.

Voo de Mar
08-15-2009, 04:59 AM
After watching these quarterfinals I've got an impression that Davydenko is a virtual Top 8 player. Tsonga and Del Potro beating respectively Federer and Nadal, confirmend that belong to "strong Top 7". Each player in "Top 7" has defeated another ones, excluding Del Potro who still awaits to beat Federer and Djokovic but I think it's only a matter of next year (although I don't expect Del Potro's win over Federer on different surface than clay).
At the moment is almost certain these 7 players will play in Masters Cup in London. 8th spot should be a battle between Davydenko, Verdasco and Soderling. I don't expect that Simon will repeat last year's amazing run in indoor season. I'm very curious Soderling's performance later this year. Paradoxically he obtained the most points this year on his worst surface - clay. He was already Top 5 player indoor in the previous years, so with this year's self-confidence, should win many matches in Autumn.

straitup
08-15-2009, 05:01 AM
And if Davydenko has beaten Murray today, then #1-4 could've all been knocked out the same day with #5-8 remaining.

ChinoRios4Ever
08-15-2009, 05:28 AM
8th spot should be a battle between Davydenko, Verdasco and Soderling. I don't expect that Simon will repeat last year's amazing run in indoor season. I'm very curious Soderling's performance later this year. Paradoxically he obtained the most points this year on his worst surface - clay. He was already Top 5 player indoor in the previous years, so with this year's self-confidence, should win many matches in Autumn.

No Gonzo in the mix? :confused: I still believe that Tsonga isn't that good, but he doesn't have to defend big points till Bercy, so he can do it.

Anyway, my choice for that spot is Davydenko, i think Soderling, Gonzalez and Verdasco will fight for the 9-11 spots. Simon will be out of the top 12 after Madrid.

Soderling are always injuried and you never know with him, Verdasco is too inconsistent and could feel the pressure at the end of the season, Gonzo always gets ran out of gas in mid-september and october. Davydenko is more fresh now and should close the year strong.

LinkMage
08-15-2009, 05:48 AM
Useless stat since the top 8 players got the benefit of a 1st round bye thanks to the :retard: ATP.

jcempire
08-15-2009, 05:53 AM
My thought exactly. I thought of Voo when they said that.



Well it's still pretty impressive, because either way, it doesn't happen very often. I thought for sure there'd be at least one upset today.

Agree!!!! it's pretty impressive cause you have never see it before.

Even they got first round bye. but did you see it before Which they also got first Round bye as this time.

This happen very first time, maybe only one and you know it may not happen again

Leo
08-15-2009, 05:58 AM
It makes me happy I'm watching the sport at this time. 2007-2009 has been an exciting prologue to what I'm sure will be an exciting era of champions. And who knows who will be the next crew coming along as quickly as Djokovic, Murray, and Del Potro have?

Leo
08-15-2009, 07:00 AM
How interesting that we had a QF of all Top 8, and three results were upsets. Only #3 left of the Top 4.

Voo de Mar
08-15-2009, 03:17 PM
No Gonzo in the mix? :confused:

No, I think collaboration with Stefanki was the highlight of Gonzalez career. I'm not a specialist of ATP ranking but Gonzo is going to lose many points because last year at this stage of the year played the final in Beijing, so should fall a few places next Monday.

thegreendestiny
08-15-2009, 03:47 PM
I remember AO 09. Murray blew an near perfect QF line-up by losing to that thrash named Fernando. :mad:
It was such an embarrassment considering he was the favorite to win that time.