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Rescheduling the majors...

tennis2tennis
07-30-2009, 09:13 AM
Player's are always complaining that Wimbledoon and Roland Garros are to close to each other, that when the US Open roles in they're too tired..etc .. how would you change the Major's calender dates if you could to make sure players are well rested, or would you change it at all ?

current format [2009]:

AUSTRALIAN OPEN: January 18 - January 31

ROLAND GARROS: May 24 - June 7

WIMBLEDON: June 22 - July 5

US OPEN: August 31 - September 13

Certinfy
07-30-2009, 10:00 AM
AO - January
FO - April
Wimbledon - July
USO - October

I really dunno tbh.

Goldenoldie
07-30-2009, 10:39 AM
This would require a degree of co-operation between players, venues and ATP (plus WTA) that would only be possible on Mars.

oranges
07-30-2009, 10:58 AM
AO - January
FO - April
Wimbledon - July
USO - October


This, but it's not going to happen.

Action Jackson
07-30-2009, 11:16 AM
Not happening.

thegreendestiny
07-30-2009, 11:44 AM
If there's anyone who has the right to complain about the GS schedules, that would only be Roger who is the only one consistent in reaching GS finals. Since he's not, then I guess the complaints of the other players(and most do not reach the second week) are pointless and irrelevant.

pesto
07-30-2009, 11:52 AM
USO is fine. AO could do with being slightly later - a lot of players seem to arrive slightly sluggish after the off-season, and it would benefit from a better run-in. Wimby and FO could do with a week or so extra between them for a better grasscourt season, but keeping them quite close is good for a build-up of excitement.

Not going to happen.

tennis2tennis
07-30-2009, 02:44 PM
USO is fine. AO could do with being slightly later - a lot of players seem to arrive slightly sluggish after the off-season, and it would benefit from a better run-in. Wimby and FO could do with a week or so extra between them for a better grasscourt season, but keeping them quite close is good for a build-up of excitement.

Not going to happen.

agree about AO

MacTheKnife
07-30-2009, 02:48 PM
I have day dreamed my whole life about one GS a quarter. BUT, ain't never gonna happen, so it passes quickly.

ballbasher101
07-30-2009, 02:48 PM
Not going to happen. People have tried in the past and failed.

Noleta
07-30-2009, 02:51 PM
AO-February
FO-May
Wimby-July
UsO-October

Matt01
07-30-2009, 05:34 PM
This, but it's not going to happen.


FO in April? Wha an idiotic useless idea :tape:

niezubayern1
07-30-2009, 06:08 PM
When moving the majors around you have to take weather into account. Playing outdoors in Paris in April could be very tricky. Very rainy time, plus temperatures can really vary. Same goes for playing in New York in October. The weather could be great or just brutal. way to big of a chance to take for a major.

oranges
07-30-2009, 06:42 PM
FO in April? Wha an idiotic useless idea :tape:

Why, does it rain endlessly a month before? The idea was to move FO a bit earlier and Wimbledon a bit later so that A) there's time for a decent grass court season B) keep them apart enough so that players who need can rest/heal without coming with no grass matches played. There's nothing idiotic or useless in that, is there, not that it matter since, as said, it's not happening.

Har-Tru
07-30-2009, 06:58 PM
Push AO back some weeks, leave everything else as it is.

GlennMirnyi
07-30-2009, 07:02 PM
Wow, an original idea... :rolleyes:

Matt01
07-30-2009, 08:40 PM
Why, does it rain endlessly a month before? The idea was to move FO a bit earlier and Wimbledon a bit later so that A) there's time for a decent grass court season B) keep them apart enough so that players who need can rest/heal without coming with no grass matches played. There's nothing idiotic or useless in that, is there, not that it matter since, as said, it's not happening.


It makes no sense. If you start RG in April, the European Clay tournaments have to start in February to have a proper and decent Clay Court Season, and at that time it is still winter in Europe :tape: If anything, Wimbledon has to start a few weeks later.

oranges
07-30-2009, 09:06 PM
It makes no sense. If you start RG in April, the European Clay tournaments have to start in February to have a proper and decent Clay Court Season, and at that time it is still winter in Europe :tape: If anything, Wimbledon has to start a few weeks later.

Only if proper and decent means two months ahead of RG. Otherwise, they can start when they start now, after Miami, have 3-4 weeks before RG and the rest later. Clay tournaments are held throughout the season anyway.

Ububub
07-30-2009, 10:16 PM
Late Jan. - IW and M
Late Feb. - AO
Mar. - Apr. - M/MC/R (In that order)
Late May - RG
June - Grass (Wouldn't a Grass Masters be lovely?)
Early Jul. - SW19
Aug. - C/C
Early Sept. - USO
Oct. - S/P
Early Nov. - WTF

JediFed
07-30-2009, 10:22 PM
Late Jan. - IW and M
Late Feb. - AO
Mar. - Apr. - MC/R
Late May - RG
June - Queens/Halle
Early Jul. - SW19
Aug. - C/C
Early Sept. - USO
Oct. - S/P
Early Nov. - WTF

Matt01
07-30-2009, 10:38 PM
Only if proper and decent means two months ahead of RG. Otherwise, they can start when they start now, after Miami, have 3-4 weeks before RG and the rest later. Clay tournaments are held throughout the season anyway.


The only semi-big clay tournament outside of the real clay court season is Hamburg which has degenerated into a MM tourney this year.

In your scenario, we would have IW and Miami, and then immediately following the big clay court tourneys like MC, Madrid and Rome crammed into the 3-4 weeks before RG. I don't need to tell you what a joke that would be.

Dusk Soldier
07-30-2009, 11:16 PM
AO - February

RG - April

W - June

US - August

YEC- September

Henry Chinaski
07-31-2009, 12:02 AM
ideal world:

push wimbledon back a few weeks with a Halle TMS in it's current place.

rest is fine really.

MatchFederer
07-31-2009, 12:05 AM
If they are all played at the same time, we can have many multiple slam champions and feel privileged to be living through an era of lions.

mr_burns
07-31-2009, 01:26 AM
The thing about Melbourne is the australian day, which they want to have while hosting the slam...so they won't move

but i am not sure


Wimbledon 1 or 2 weeks later would be great (but no chance because of tour de france)

BigJohn
07-31-2009, 02:45 AM
If they want to shorten the season, fine, but they can't seperate RG and Wimbledon. The RG-Wimby double is a big deal because of the quick adaptation from clay to grass. It would less of an achievement.

If you want a longer grass season, have it after Wimbledon, it's the only way. Grass season would be like NASCAR, having the big event first.

felipe2004
07-31-2009, 02:47 AM
My schedule:

Jan 5 - ATP 500 Memphis (Hard Outdoors)
Jan 12 - ATP 250 Delray Beach, ATP 250 Johannesburg (Hard Outdoors)
Jan 19 & Jan 26 - Masters 1000 Miami (Hard Outdoors)
Feb 2 & Feb 9 - Masters 1000 Indian Wells (Hard Outdoors)
Feb 16 - ATP 250 Chennai, ATP 250 Auckland (Hard Outdoors)
Feb 23 - ATP 500 Dubai, ATP 250 Brisbane (Hard Outdoors)
Mar 2 - ATP 250 Doha, ATP 250 Sydney (Hard Outdoors)
Mar 9 & Mar 16 - Grand Slam 2000 Australian Open (Hard Outdoors)
Mar 23 - Davis Cup First Round
Mar 30 - ATP 250 Costa do Sauipe, ATP 250 Houston (Clay Outdoors)
Apr 6 - ATP 500 Acapulco, ATP 250 Casablanca (Clay Outdoors)
Apr 13 - ATP 250 Vina del Mar, ATP 250 Estoril (Clay Outdoors)
Apr 20 - ATP 500 Barcelona, ATP 250 Buenos Aires (Clay Outdoors)
Apr 27 - Masters 1000 Madrid (Clay Outdoors)
May 4 - ATP 250 Gstaad, ATP 250 Bastad, ATP 250 Munich (Clay Outdoors)
May 11 - Masters 1000 Rome (Clay Outdoors)
May 18 - ATP 500 Hamburg, ATP 250 Umag (Clay Outdoors)
May 25 - ATP 250 Stuttgart, ATP 250 Bucharest, ATP 250 Belgrado (Clay Outdoors)
Jun 1 - Masters 1000 Monte Carlo (Clay Outdoors)
Jun 8 - ATP 250 Kitzbühel, ATP 250 Düsseldorf (Clay Outdoors)
Jun 15 & Jun 22 - Grand Slam 2000 Roland Garros (Clay Outdoors)
Jun 29 - ATP 250 Newport (Grass Outdoors) & Davis Cup QF
Jul 6 - ATP 500 Halle (Grass Outdoors)
Jul 13 - ATP 500 London (Grass Outdoors)
Jul 20 - ATP 250 Eastbourne, ATP 250 Hertogenbosch (Grass Outdoors)
Jul 27 & Aug 3 - Grand Slam 2000 Wimbledon (Grass Outdoors)
Aug 10 - ATP 250 Indianapolis (Hard Outdoors), Davis Cup SF & Davis Cup Playoffs
Aug 17 - ATP 500 Washington (Hard Outdoors)
Aug 24 - Masters 1000 Montreal (Hard Outdoors)
Aug 31 - ATP 250 Los Angeles, ATP 250 San Jose (Hard Outdoors)
Sep 7 - Masters 1000 Cincinatti (Hard Outdoors)
Sep 14 - ATP 250 New Haven (Hard Outdoors)
Sep 21 & Sep 28 - Grand Slam 2000 US Open (Hard Outdoors)
Oct 5 - ATP 500 Tokyo, ATP 250 St. Petersbrug, ATP 250 Kuala Lampur (Hard Indoors)
Oct 12 - ATP 500 Beijing, ATP 250 Moscow, ATP 250 Bangkok (Hard Indoors)
Oct 19 - Masters 1000 Shangai (Hard Indoors)
Oct 26 - ATP 500 Basel, ATP 250 Metz, ATP 250 Stockholm (Hard Indoors)
Nov 2 - ATP 500 Valencia, ATP 250 Lyon, ATP 250 Zagreb (Hard Indoors)
Nov 9 - Masters 1000 Paris (Hard Indoors)
Nov 16 - ATP 500 Rotterdam, ATP 250 Marseille, ATP 250 Viena (Hard Indoors)
Nov 23 - World Tour Finals 1500 London (Hard Indoors)
Nov 30 - Davis Cup Final

straitup
07-31-2009, 03:53 AM
I think keeping everything the same is best...yes moving the AO to later in the year will give players more time to get over a sluggish start, but I like that about the AO - the unpredictable finalists and players that play well there are often ones to look for throughout the year. Where the AO is right now gives people a gauge of who to watch for throughout the year.

As for the RG-Wimbledon stretch being too close together, well they also shouldn't change that...again part of the charm with Wimbledon is seeing how players react to the sudden change in surface. And for the US Open, well I like the lead up to it already.

Like someone above said, it'd be way too hard to reschedule majors today...there's too much to work around

Chip_s_m
07-31-2009, 04:09 AM
USO in October? Say goodbye to those great night sessions. Too cold.

Fiberlight1
07-31-2009, 04:47 AM
USO in October? Say goodbye to those great night sessions. Too cold.

Definitely..

Temps in NY drop in the 40's in Oct. That would be terrible.

tennis2tennis
07-31-2009, 04:58 AM
Wow, an original idea... :rolleyes:

Great application of sarcasm, but try this one for size... ...

Oh the torment of coercion to add to an unoriginal thread!!::wavey:

JediFed
07-31-2009, 06:33 AM
This is a better schedule. I've eliminated TMC Tiriac, so that we have a balanced schedule.

2 Masters (AO), 2 Masters (FO), 2 Masters, (WIM) 2 Masters, USO, 2 Masters (WTF).

AO has been pushed back 5 weeks. FO stays exactly where it is. WIM has been pushed back 3 weeks. USO has been pushed back a week.

2 new Masters tournaments added, Queens (Grass), and Halle (Grass). 1 Removed, TMC Tiriac.

Jan 12 - ATP 500 Memphis (Hard Outdoors) ATP 250 Delray Beach, ATP 250 Johannesburg (Hard Outdoors)
Jan 19 & Jan 26 - Masters 1000 Miami (Hard Outdoors)
Feb 2 & Feb 9 - Masters 1000 Indian Wells (Hard Outdoors)
Feb 16 - ATP 250 Chennai, ATP 250 Auckland (Hard Outdoors)
Feb 23 - ATP 500 Dubai, ATP 250 Brisbane (Hard Outdoors)
Mar 2 - ATP 250 Doha, ATP 250 Sydney (Hard Outdoors)
Mar 9 & Mar 16 - Grand Slam 2000 Australian Open (Hard Outdoors)
Mar 23 - Davis Cup First Round
Mar 30 - ATP 500 Barcelona, ATP 250 Costa do Sauipe, ATP 250 Houston (Clay Outdoors)
Apr 6 - ATP 500 Acapulco, ATP 250 Casablanca (Clay Outdoors), ATP 250 Belgrado (Clay Outdoors)
Apr 13 - ATP 500 Estoril, ATP 250 Vina del Mar, ATP 250 Munich (Clay Outdoors)
Apr 20 - Masters 1000 Monte Carlo (Clay Outdoors)
Apr 27 - ATP 250 Gstaad, ATP 250 Bastad, ATP 250 Bucharest
May 4 - Masters 1000 Rome (Clay Outdoors)
May 11 - ATP 500 Hamburg, ATP 250 Buenos Aires (Clay Outdoors), ATP 250 Düsseldorf (Clay Outdoors)
May 18 - ATP 250 Stuttgart, ATP 250 Umag (Clay Outdoors) ATP 250 Kitzbühel
May 25 & Jun 1 Grand Slam 2000 Roland Garros (Clay Outdoors)
Jun 8- Davis Cup QF
Jun 15 - Masters 1000 Halle (Grass Outdoors)
Jun 22 - ATP 250 Eastbourne, ATP 250 Hertogenbosch (Grass Outdoors)
Jun 29 - Masters 1000 London (Grass Outdoors)
Jul 6 - ATP 250 Newport (Grass Outdoors)
Jul 13 & Jul 20 - Grand Slam 2000 Wimbledon (Grass Outdoors)
Jul 27- Davis Cup SF + Playoffs.
Aug 3 - ATP 250 Indianapolis (Hard Outdoors), ATP 250 Los Angeles, ATP 250 San Jose (Hard Outdoors)
Aug 10 - Masters 1000 Montreal (Hard Outdoors)
Aug 17 - ATP 500 Washington (Hard Outdoors)
Aug 24 - Masters 1000 Cincinnati (Hard Outdoors)
Aug 31 - ATP 250 New Haven (Hard Outdoors)
Sep 7 & Sept 14 - Grand Slam 2000 US Open (Hard Outdoors)
Sep 21 - ATP 500 Tokyo, ATP 250 St. Petersbrug, ATP 250 Kuala Lampur (Hard Indoors)
Sep 28 - ATP 500 Beijing, ATP 250 Moscow, ATP 250 Bangkok (Hard Indoors)
Oct 5 - Masters 1000 Shanghai (Hard Indoors)
Oct 12 - ATP 500 Basel, ATP 250 Metz, ATP 250 Stockholm (Hard Indoors)
Oct 19 - Masters 1000 Paris (Hard Indoors)
Oct 26 - ATP 500 Valencia, ATP 250 Lyon, ATP 250 Zagreb (Hard Indoors)
Nov 2 - ATP 500 Rotterdam, ATP 250 Marseille, ATP 250 Vienna (Hard Indoors)
Nov 9 - World Tour Finals 1500 London (Hard Indoors)
Nov 16 - Davis Cup Final

HattonWBA
07-31-2009, 07:08 AM
Push AO back some weeks, leave everything else as it is.

I agree although i think maybe a few more weeks break between french and Wimby also

Bobby
07-31-2009, 08:01 AM
Many of you are forgetting one important thing. Many of the tournaments are being held at venues which are not really tennis stadiums. Paris, and many of the indoor tournaments for example. Therefore there are a lot of other activities planned at these venues and it's not possible to just say "next week your tournament will be pushed back by three weeks". The ATP calendar is a huge puzzle and there are a lot of pieces that have very little to do with tennis itself.

The weather is another big issue. It may sound easy to push a tournament back by two weeks, but in the european spring for example, two weeks can change the temperature dramatically. We also have to think about those who are organizing the tournaments. They can never know how the weather is going to be. But obvioulsy they want to have an outdoor tournament at a time when good temperatures and no rain are the likely scenario. Therefore scheduling tournament like Båstad in late April is not wise because the weather can be almost anything from freezing cold to nice spring days.

tennis2tennis
07-31-2009, 10:07 AM
Many of you are forgetting one important thing. Many of the tournaments are being held at venues which are not really tennis stadiums. Paris, and many of the indoor tournaments for example. Therefore there are a lot of other activities planned at these venues and it's not possible to just say "next week your tournament will be pushed back by three weeks". The ATP calendar is a huge puzzle and there are a lot of pieces that have very little to do with tennis itself.

The weather is another big issue. It may sound easy to push a tournament back by two weeks, but in the european spring for example, two weeks can change the temperature dramatically. We also have to think about those who are organizing the tournaments. They can never know how the weather is going to be. But obvioulsy they want to have an outdoor tournament at a time when good temperatures and no rain are the likely scenario. Therefore scheduling tournament like Båstad in late April is not wise because the weather can be almost anything from freezing cold to nice spring days.
I know the temperature is a factor but in all seriousness with technology to close the roof available it shouldn't be as much of a problem as before...

ReneP
07-31-2009, 12:07 PM
Has somebody mentioned the fact that were FO and Wimby not that close anymore, our interesting disputes about who is the GOAT would get more controversial ?