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Who is better on hard courts? Nadal or Djokovic?

lessthanjake
07-29-2009, 04:16 PM
I think this is a rather interesting question.

Since 2007, Djokovic and Nadal have had almost identical records on hard courts.

Hard Court Slams:

2007 AO:
Djokovic - 4th round
Nadal - Quarterfinals

2007 USO:
Djokovic - Finals
Nadal - 4th round

2008 AO:
Djokovic: Winner
Nadal: Semifinals

2008 USO:
Djokovic: Semifinals
Nadal: Semifinals

2009 AO:
Djokovic - Quarterfinals
Nadal - Winner

TOTAL HARD COURT SLAM RECORDS SINCE 2007:
Djokovic: 25-4
Nadal: 24-4


Hard Court Masters' Series:

Since 2007, Nadal has won 3 Masters Series 1000 titles on hard courts. He won 2007 and 2009 Indian Wells and 2008 Canada Masters. In that same time period, Djokovic has won 3 Masters Series 1000 titles as well. he won 2007 Miami and Canada as well as 2008 Indian Wells.

Furthermore, Nadal made the finals of Paris in 2007 and Miami in 2008. Djokovic made the finals of Indian Wells in 2007, Cinncinati in 2008, and Miami in 2009.


Other Major Titles:

Nadal won the Olympics last year, while Djokovic only got the Bronze Medal. Conversely, Djokovic won the 2008 Masters Cup title, while Nadal has never been beyond the semis.

Djokovic has also won Vienna in 2007 and Dubai in 2009, both 500 events.

Total Titles:

Since 2007, Nadal has won 5 titles on hard courts. Djokovic has won 8.

Overall record Since 2007

Nadal: 99-25 (79.8%)
Djokovic: 108-29 (78.8%)

Head-to-Head

These two players have met 5 times on hard courts. Djokovic leads 3-2.

Djokovic beat Nadal in the semifinals of the 2008 Cinncinati Masters, the semifinals of Indian Wells in 2008, and the semifinals of the Canada Masters in 2007.

Nadal beat Djokovic in the semifinals of the Olympics in 2008 and in a round robin match in the 2007 Masters Cup Championship.
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Personally, I think that Djokovic is actually slightly better than Nadal on hard courts, but it is extremely close.

Who do you think is better? Also, what about that person's game or style makes them good/bad on hard courts?

tennishero
07-29-2009, 04:42 PM
djokovic is better suited on hardcourts but nadal has improved a lot, i think nadal has the edge now.

Horatio Caine
07-29-2009, 04:54 PM
djokovic is better suited on hardcourts but nadal has improved a lot, i think nadal has the edge now.

Agree with the first part, but not sure about the last bit. I'd use the head-to-head to split them (Djokovic 4-2 on hard?).

It will be especially interesting to see how Rafa copes on his return from the tendonitis.

Apemant
07-29-2009, 05:11 PM
Djokovic is better, but Nadal has more fighting spirit, hence tight matches often go Nadal's way (i.e. Olympics). But when Novak plays well, he beats Nadal rather straightforwardly (on hard). Nadal doesn't really have a sound strategy against big hitters; when he does beat them, it's by staying patient and allowing them to self-destruct.

Overall, Nadal isn't THAT good on HC as his record suggests; it's because he's one hell of a fighter. So if there's a slight chance to win, he usually takes it. But I don't remember him actually 'destroying' a good HC player (on hard), I mean, beating them convincingly. It's usually a very tight affair. Except for situations like IW this year where Murray couldn't help being completely distracted by the wind. Nadal doesn't care about external circumstances, he always finds a way to focus on winning points, regardless of distractions.

Manon
07-29-2009, 05:14 PM
Both are better.

Dini
07-29-2009, 05:16 PM
Djokovic.

MacTheKnife
07-29-2009, 05:21 PM
Who else:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8837/lgfp2063thejokerbatmant.jpg

shotgun
07-29-2009, 05:48 PM
Djokovic is more naturally suited to the surface, and therefore is the better hardcourt player. On the other hand, Nadal is overall the better player (the numbers speak for themselves), and that makes him look just as good as Djokovic on hardcourts in terms of achievements.

GlennMirnyi
07-29-2009, 06:25 PM
Fakervic.

Nadull only won a GS on hardcourts because he got not a very very veeeery easy draw.

Also the USO >>>>> AO in importance.

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 06:31 PM
Fakervic.

Nadull only won a GS on hardcourts because he got not a very very veeeery easy draw.

Also the USO >>>>> AO in importance.
For once I agree with you Gu.

Djokovic is the answer.

Maxon Tutnplok
07-29-2009, 06:55 PM
Djokovic used to be easily the better of the two, and he beat Nadal quite easily a few times (IW 08, Cincy 08). But with his recent slump, it is now very close between them. The match in Beijing was huge, and Nole said quite a few times that it was one of his most disappointing losses.

Noleta
07-29-2009, 06:55 PM
Both are better.

Manon!!:rolls:sitting on the fence are you:p;)

Has to be Djokovic but Nadal has improved a lot,not bad for a Spanish Tennis player,Spaniards are more Clay specialists:)

stebs
07-29-2009, 06:58 PM
Djokovic is probably a stronger player when all is firing on hard courts but there is also more potential to be upset for the Djoker imo because Nadal will never give a lot away whilst on a bad day Djokovic can get himself in a lot of trouble.

I am looking forward to seeing these two face off in a GS match on hard courts. I think their playing styles and mentalities are suited to intruiging matches. Djokovic has a terrible record vs Nadal overall but one still always gets the impression he feels like he should be winning the matches and he has that confidence, also, their games can complement each other well at times making for some epic struggles. A shame it can sometimes get a bit too long though with both players taking the piss as far as time goes.

Matt01
07-29-2009, 07:14 PM
Slight edge to Djokovic:

Djokovic: 51 &
Nadal: 49 %

Burrow
07-29-2009, 07:16 PM
For once I agree with you Gu.

Djokovic is the answer.

that guys name is "gu"

lmao wtf :spit:

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 07:33 PM
that guys name is "gu"

lmao wtf :spit:
It's short for Gustavo.

ORGASMATRON
07-29-2009, 07:38 PM
that guys name is "gu"

lmao wtf :spit:

It actually means pile of shit, look it up.

ORGASMATRON
07-29-2009, 07:43 PM
Actually it means poison, my bad. And thats what Glenn is to this forum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu_(poison)

MalwareDie
07-29-2009, 07:51 PM
GlennMirnyi is a MTF legend.

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 07:56 PM
GlennMirnyi is a MTF legend.
Gotta agree with this, even though he's a pain in the ass. Like Jaap and Kapranos.

MalwareDie
07-29-2009, 08:06 PM
Gotta agree with this, even though he's a pain in the ass. Like Jaap and Kapranos.

Who are these two?

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 08:12 PM
Who are these two?
Jaap and Kapranos are two permanently banned suers who are legends in their own right. Kapranos was banned in 2006/7 for mucking up the forums and whatnot and was just a clown. The legend of clowns. Jaap was banned at the end of last year and is a legend because he was the one who used the term 'mug' first and he was also humerous and funny, but was banned for being racist.

moon language
07-29-2009, 08:14 PM
Djokovic should be better, but he's a mess.

lessthanjake
07-29-2009, 08:21 PM
Jaap and Kapranos are two permanently banned suers who are legends in their own right. Kapranos was banned in 2006/7 for mucking up the forums and whatnot and was just a clown. The legend of clowns. Jaap was banned at the end of last year and is a legend because he was the one who used the term 'mug' first and he was also humerous and funny, but was banned for being racist.

Not to misdirect my own thread, but where did the guy come up with mug from? Like is there any reason behind the creation of that term?

stebs
07-29-2009, 08:28 PM
Not to misdirect my own thread, but where did the guy come up with mug from? Like is there any reason behind the creation of that term?

He didn't come up with mug as a derogetory term, only began using frequently to describe players. I don't know where the term mug as an insult first comes from but it's certainly most widely used in England in cockney vocab.

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 08:31 PM
Not to misdirect my own thread, but where did the guy come up with mug from? Like is there any reason behind the creation of that term?
stebs has got it there.

Lololita
07-29-2009, 08:31 PM
Nole is clearly the more natural hard court player.
He has a disastrous overall head to head against Nadal, the fact that it's positive on hard court just reinforces the fact that he's the better hard courter.

HattonWBA
07-29-2009, 08:39 PM
Past - Djokovic
Now - Rafa
Future - ?

Henry Chinaski
07-29-2009, 08:52 PM
Both playing at their peaks then it's Djokovic.

Current Djokovic and his pussy pushing forehand is a different story. Nadal would beat this clown on a Minsk ice-rink.

habibko
07-29-2009, 09:10 PM
if I took Djokovic AO2008 against Nadal AO2009, I'd have to go with Djokovic, at his best he is a much better hard courter.

Not to misdirect my own thread, but where did the guy come up with mug from? Like is there any reason behind the creation of that term?

He didn't come up with mug as a derogetory term, only began using frequently to describe players. I don't know where the term mug as an insult first comes from but it's certainly most widely used in England in cockney vocab.

there is actually a thread on this topic, you can go there and post so we don't go off-topic in this thread

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=139751

rocketassist
07-29-2009, 09:46 PM
Sapeod, how do you know what kapranos got up to if your sign up date was Jan 2009..

Manon
07-29-2009, 10:43 PM
Sapeod, how do you know what kapranos got up to if your sign up date was Jan 2009..

Actually great question. Who is he? He has 14, registered jan. 2009...and knows posters better than both of us.

Daniel (sapeod), who are you?

:angel:

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 11:35 PM
Sapeod, how do you know what kapranos got up to if your sign up date was Jan 2009..
Actually great question. Who is he? He has 14, registered jan. 2009...and knows posters better than both of us.

Daniel (sapeod), who are you?

:angel:
I just know him because I was looking at MTF and reading it for a good year or two before I signed up. Some quality reading :haha: NATAS81, joeb_uk, disturb3d and KitinovRules are other poster whos posts I've seen and read that have been banned.

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 11:39 PM
if I took Djokovic AO2008 against Nadal AO2009, I'd have to go with Djokovic, at his best he is a much better hard courter.





there is actually a thread on this topic, you can go there and post so we don't go off-topic in this thread

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=139751
Hell, that's the thread were I first met you Habib :D

GlennMirnyi
07-30-2009, 01:16 AM
that guys name is "gu"

lmao wtf :spit:

It's Gustavo, mate.

Serenidad
07-30-2009, 01:48 AM
It's Gustavo, mate.

Guga. :inlove:

iSzavay.
07-30-2009, 02:00 AM
Rafa without a doubt IMO.

ballbasher101
07-30-2009, 06:40 AM
The Djoker, whoever says Nadal is crazy.

Audacity
07-30-2009, 06:53 AM
Djokovic.

Huey84
07-30-2009, 11:30 AM
Fakervitch

Noleta
07-30-2009, 02:57 PM
Djokovic should be better, but he's a mess.

:lol:Straight to the point:yeah:

theDreamer
07-30-2009, 03:49 PM
Djokovic is better, but Nadal has more fighting spirit, hence tight matches often go Nadal's way (i.e. Olympics). But when Novak plays well, he beats Nadal rather straightforwardly (on hard). Nadal doesn't really have a sound strategy against big hitters; when he does beat them, it's by staying patient and allowing them to self-destruct.

Overall, Nadal isn't THAT good on HC as his record suggests; it's because he's one hell of a fighter. So if there's a slight chance to win, he usually takes it. But I don't remember him actually 'destroying' a good HC player (on hard), I mean, beating them convincingly. It's usually a very tight affair. Except for situations like IW this year where Murray couldn't help being completely distracted by the wind. Nadal doesn't care about external circumstances, he always finds a way to focus on winning points, regardless of distractions.

Exactly this.:yeah: