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IF Sampras came out of retirement, could he win a GS?

Fiberlight1
07-28-2009, 10:52 PM
WESTWOOD, Calif. – Pete Sampras looked quick enough during an exhibition match against Marat Safin here Monday night. What caught him flat-footed was a question during a news conference held before Sampras took the court.

“What are you working on?” a reporter asked. “What’s your favorite project?”

An awkward pause followed.

Dethroned by Roger Federer three weeks ago as the record holder for most Grand Slams won (15) by a tennis player, Sampras welcomed questions about his place in history. The present is more vexing, with Sampras facing a challenge every bit as formidable as Boris Becker, Andre Agassi and even Federer.

Retirement. At the age of 37

Recovering from the moment of silence, Sampras grinned and shot back , “Six- and 3-year-old kids. That’s a lot of work there.”

And then there’s his golf game, his handicap down to a 4. And hitting tennis balls with his kids for, oh, 10 minutes because they find tennis on Nintendo Wii more interesting than the real thing. And running on the treadmill because, well, when he makes public appearances like the one here Monday at the L.A. Tennis Open, he doesn’t want to look flabby.

Of course the real challenge is life, seven years after he officially ended his professional tennis career.

“It’s a work in progress,” he said, “being retired at 37.”

In his prime, was Sampras better than Federer? That’s the question Sampras fields again and again these days. The trickier one: How is he going to fill his days, once consumed with tennis?

“Every tennis player goes through it,” he said, and indeed there was the day John McEnroe had to contemplate life without berating tennis umpires.

As Sampras pointed out: “McEnroe’s still playing, and he’s 50.”

McEnroe plays on the senior circuit which to this point Sampras has eschewed. But Sampras has scheduled a couple of exhibition matches against his old foil, Agassi, and on Monday fired the first volley.

“I didn’t beat Andre every time,” he said. “He’d beat me. Just not in the big matches.”

Take that, Andre.

Once mind-numbingly bland, Sampras showed a new aspect to his off-court game. Someone asked him about Federer’s wife recently giving birth to twins.

“He’s going to be on the road as soon as he can,” Sampras said with a grin. “He’s going to be playing, like, 40 weeks a year.”

But newborn twins will pose no problem for Federer at the upcoming U.S. Open either, according to Sampras.

“I don’t see Roger changing diapers at 4 o’clock in the morning in New York,” he said. “What do you think?”

What we think is Sampras still cares – about his place in tennis history and how people view him and Federer. If he had to choose one player as the greatest of all time, Sampras said, he’d vote for Federer. But someone might want to follow him to the ballot box to make sure.

Sampras pointed out that Federer’s record against Rafael Nadal is 7-14 (it’s actually 7-13). Or Rod Laver – had he been eligible to play Grand Slams during a six-year period in the 1960s when pros were barred from those events – “might have won 25.”

Twenty-five, a figure that would dwarf Federer’s total, even if Federer adds another five. (Sampras has qualified the observation as one that Federer’s “critics” make. You know, for the record.)

After Federer won his semifinal match at Wimbledon, Sampras decided he should be there for the potential record-breaking moment. So he hopped on a redeye, changed clothes at the airport and, once he’d arrived at the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club, found himself in a special box at center court.

From that view, he watched the epic match between Federer and Roddick, but differently than anybody else.

“Part of me, during the match, was thinking, ‘What am I going to do against this kid, Roger, in my prime?” Sampras recalled. “… Just the matchup, what it’d feel like.”

In his mind’s eye, Sampras was blistering 120 mph serves and rushing the net. Or, he was waiting on Federer’s serves and ready to pounce. No doubt he could feel the adrenaline, exhilaration and exhaustion largely missing from his life of retirement.

For those who wonder if Sampras might come out of retirement in hopes of winning another Grand Slam, there’s not enough Bengay on the store shelf.

“The tricky part for me now is that the way I play, the way I serve and volley, it’s hard on my body,” he said. “It takes a lot of strain on the back and the hips and I’m feeling like this year has been a year where I’m not quite as explosive. …

“I can’t pick up my racket and try to win another major. My days are over. So I’m content with the 14 I have. I’m amazed at what Roger has been able to do here. It’s incredible.”

But incredible enough to have vanquished Sampras in his prime? Tennis fans aren’t the only ones wondering.

On Monday, Sampras noted that most of today’s players, unlike so many he faced, are content to sit back on the baseline. Federer would have no luxury against Sampras.

“I just feel like I would bring in all the gas, bring in all the power that I had, try to mix it up, go to his backhand, just try to figure it out,” he said. “Put pressure on him. You’ve just got to put pressure on him.”

For an instant, Sampras no longer sounded like a retired 37-year-old, but rather a decade younger – Federer’s age, actually – and unleashing those 120 mph serves, rushing in for crisp volleys and, in preparation for Grand Slam finals, plotting the match down to the last shot.

But the reverie ended.

“Last question,” the moderator said.

No one bothered to ask the obvious: What’s next for Pete Sampras?

Off the court, he’s still trying to find his way.

Pretty interesting article about Sampras.. What do you think?

rocketassist
07-28-2009, 10:56 PM
Prime Sampras would win about 25 GS playing these players.

betowiec
07-29-2009, 12:10 AM
i miss you Pete

Bargearse
07-29-2009, 12:15 AM
I don't know if he could win another GS. But hey, if he came back to try I'd applaud him for it.

RagingLamb
07-29-2009, 12:15 AM
No

Del_Toro
07-29-2009, 12:20 AM
He could win New Haven, that's all.

FedFan_2007
07-29-2009, 12:48 AM
Another joke thread. Mods you know what to do!

Voo de Mar
07-29-2009, 12:49 AM
He could win New Haven, that's all.

New Haven, I don't know, Newport for sure, maybe even without dropping a set :o

MacTheKnife
07-29-2009, 12:49 AM
No he could not, but I'd put some vcash on him against most of these mugs today.

Fiberlight1
07-29-2009, 01:09 AM
Another joke thread. Mods you know what to do!

:rolleyes:

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 01:12 AM
:rolleyes:
It is a joke of a thread. Who cares about this. He's not coming out of retirement and we will never know.

philosophicalarf
07-29-2009, 01:13 AM
Levine > Safin

Safin > Sampras

ergo

Levine >> Sampras

MacTheKnife
07-29-2009, 01:14 AM
Levine > Safin

Safin > Sampras

ergo

Levine >> Sampras

MTF logic at it's finest.. Good one. ;)

swebright
07-29-2009, 01:21 AM
No. End of story.

philosophicalarf
07-29-2009, 01:34 AM
MTF logic at it's finest.. Good one. ;)

Hey, it was in the spirit of the thread :-)

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-29-2009, 02:03 AM
at least this place isn't as bad as TTW with some posters there claiming sampras would win the FO if he played today

lol

Fiberlight1
07-29-2009, 02:19 AM
It is a joke of a thread. Who cares about this. He's not coming out of retirement and we will never know.

Isn't that the point of speculation?

Plus I thought the article's take was pretty interesting. I seriously doubt he could, but could he win some MM titles, sure?

Burrow
07-29-2009, 02:25 AM
How is he going to win titles if he can't beat Marat Safin who these days, can barely move and can barely make a forehand in court.

Everko
07-29-2009, 02:25 AM
at least this place isn't as bad as TTW with some posters there claiming sampras would win the FO if he played today

lol

what you saying?

MacTheKnife
07-29-2009, 04:00 AM
Hey, it was in the spirit of the thread :-)

Oh I got ya, knew exactly what you meant.. Safin's playing a hell of a match tonight. Ginepri's serve must look like a marshmallow now after facing Pete.

Serenidad
07-29-2009, 04:40 AM
All he has to do is win Estoril to have the career slam.

Wojtek
07-29-2009, 05:31 AM
No

gulzhan
07-29-2009, 05:49 AM
No. And he wouldn't win any ATP tournament either.

fast_clay
07-29-2009, 06:28 AM
yeah.. for sure... maybe even 2 or 3 grand slams too...

given a couple of years he could get to #2 or #3 as well, but, #1 might be tough because of the murray era...

Mimi
07-29-2009, 06:37 AM
of course he can't, he is a bit too old ;)

AsGoodAsNew
07-29-2009, 06:44 AM
I feel sorry for retired tennis players. What do they do? Talk about themselves and new players or slip into oblivion? They can't win.

kyleskywalker007
07-29-2009, 08:00 AM
He could challenge Novak for the retirement slam, I am sure of that.

Goldenoldie
07-29-2009, 09:25 AM
He couldn't win a slam, but I think he could be a solid top 50 player even at 37, and possibly win an ATP 250/500, Eastbourne perhaps? Idle speculation as some people have said, but more to the point it would be interesting to see him on the Seniors tour.

Trouble is, he has no incentive to do so.

Acer
07-29-2009, 09:29 AM
I feel sorry for retired tennis players. What do they do? Talk about themselves and new players or slip into oblivion? They can't win.

There's more to life than just tennis.

rwn
07-29-2009, 12:03 PM
WESTWOOD, Calif. – Pete Sampras looked quick enough during an exhibition match against Marat Safin here Monday night. What caught him flat-footed was a question during a news conference held before Sampras took the court.

“What are you working on?” a reporter asked. “What’s your favorite project?”

An awkward pause followed.

Dethroned by Roger Federer three weeks ago as the record holder for most Grand Slams won (15) by a tennis player, Sampras welcomed questions about his place in history. The present is more vexing, with Sampras facing a challenge every bit as formidable as Boris Becker, Andre Agassi and even Federer.

Retirement. At the age of 37

Recovering from the moment of silence, Sampras grinned and shot back , “Six- and 3-year-old kids. That’s a lot of work there.”

And then there’s his golf game, his handicap down to a 4. And hitting tennis balls with his kids for, oh, 10 minutes because they find tennis on Nintendo Wii more interesting than the real thing. And running on the treadmill because, well, when he makes public appearances like the one here Monday at the L.A. Tennis Open, he doesn’t want to look flabby.

Of course the real challenge is life, seven years after he officially ended his professional tennis career.

“It’s a work in progress,” he said, “being retired at 37.”

In his prime, was Sampras better than Federer? That’s the question Sampras fields again and again these days. The trickier one: How is he going to fill his days, once consumed with tennis?

“Every tennis player goes through it,” he said, and indeed there was the day John McEnroe had to contemplate life without berating tennis umpires.

As Sampras pointed out: “McEnroe’s still playing, and he’s 50.”

McEnroe plays on the senior circuit which to this point Sampras has eschewed. But Sampras has scheduled a couple of exhibition matches against his old foil, Agassi, and on Monday fired the first volley.

“I didn’t beat Andre every time,” he said. “He’d beat me. Just not in the big matches.”

Take that, Andre.
Once mind-numbingly bland, Sampras showed a new aspect to his off-court game. Someone asked him about Federer’s wife recently giving birth to twins.

“He’s going to be on the road as soon as he can,” Sampras said with a grin. “He’s going to be playing, like, 40 weeks a year.”

But newborn twins will pose no problem for Federer at the upcoming U.S. Open either, according to Sampras.

“I don’t see Roger changing diapers at 4 o’clock in the morning in New York,” he said. “What do you think?”

What we think is Sampras still cares – about his place in tennis history and how people view him and Federer. If he had to choose one player as the greatest of all time, Sampras said, he’d vote for Federer. But someone might want to follow him to the ballot box to make sure.

Sampras pointed out that Federer’s record against Rafael Nadal is 7-14 (it’s actually 7-13). Or Rod Laver – had he been eligible to play Grand Slams during a six-year period in the 1960s when pros were barred from those events – “might have won 25.”

Twenty-five, a figure that would dwarf Federer’s total, even if Federer adds another five. (Sampras has qualified the observation as one that Federer’s “critics” make. You know, for the record.)

After Federer won his semifinal match at Wimbledon, Sampras decided he should be there for the potential record-breaking moment. So he hopped on a redeye, changed clothes at the airport and, once he’d arrived at the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club, found himself in a special box at center court.

From that view, he watched the epic match between Federer and Roddick, but differently than anybody else.

“Part of me, during the match, was thinking, ‘What am I going to do against this kid, Roger, in my prime?” Sampras recalled. “… Just the matchup, what it’d feel like.”

In his mind’s eye, Sampras was blistering 120 mph serves and rushing the net. Or, he was waiting on Federer’s serves and ready to pounce. No doubt he could feel the adrenaline, exhilaration and exhaustion largely missing from his life of retirement.

For those who wonder if Sampras might come out of retirement in hopes of winning another Grand Slam, there’s not enough Bengay on the store shelf.

“The tricky part for me now is that the way I play, the way I serve and volley, it’s hard on my body,” he said. “It takes a lot of strain on the back and the hips and I’m feeling like this year has been a year where I’m not quite as explosive. …

“I can’t pick up my racket and try to win another major. My days are over. So I’m content with the 14 I have. I’m amazed at what Roger has been able to do here. It’s incredible.”

But incredible enough to have vanquished Sampras in his prime? Tennis fans aren’t the only ones wondering.

On Monday, Sampras noted that most of today’s players, unlike so many he faced, are content to sit back on the baseline. Federer would have no luxury against Sampras.

“I just feel like I would bring in all the gas, bring in all the power that I had, try to mix it up, go to his backhand, just try to figure it out,” he said. “Put pressure on him. You’ve just got to put pressure on him.”

For an instant, Sampras no longer sounded like a retired 37-year-old, but rather a decade younger – Federer’s age, actually – and unleashing those 120 mph serves, rushing in for crisp volleys and, in preparation for Grand Slam finals, plotting the match down to the last shot.

But the reverie ended.

“Last question,” the moderator said.

No one bothered to ask the obvious: What’s next for Pete Sampras?

Off the court, he’s still trying to find his way.

Pretty interesting article about Sampras.. What do you think?

It´s interesting that Sampras doesn´t think the Australian and French Open are big tournaments. Agassi beat him there 3 times. Sampras never beat Agassi there.

Certinfy
07-29-2009, 12:04 PM
no.

MacTheKnife
07-29-2009, 12:38 PM
I feel sorry for retired tennis players. What do they do? Talk about themselves and new players or slip into oblivion? They can't win.

They sign up for internet message boards and sit at their computers all day. :haha:

Don't worry, they'll be fine... ;)

ballbasher101
07-29-2009, 01:11 PM
I feel sorry for retired tennis players. What do they do? Talk about themselves and new players or slip into oblivion? They can't win.


Most players are usually forgotten but the likes of Sampras, Laver and Borg are legends whose names will be remembered forever and a day.

Collective
07-29-2009, 02:29 PM
“I didn’t beat Andre every time,” he said. “He’d beat me. Just not in the big matches.”

:worship::haha::haha::haha:

That quote is worth the entire thread. Sampras rules.

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 02:31 PM
Isn't that the point of speculation?

Plus I thought the article's take was pretty interesting. I seriously doubt he could, but could he win some MM titles, sure?
Maybe Newport :shrug: He would have to play very very well though :lol:

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 02:33 PM
what you saying?
I think he' saying that thinking Sampras would win RG today is retarded.


Oh, and also that TTW is a shithole.

Burrow
07-29-2009, 03:33 PM
What's TTW?

MacTheKnife
07-29-2009, 03:54 PM
What's TTW?

The Tennis Warehouse - they have their own forum.

Burrow
07-29-2009, 03:57 PM
There is no "the" in tennis warehouse, that's how I got confused.

MacTheKnife
07-29-2009, 04:40 PM
There is no "the" in tennis warehouse, that's how I got confused.

I know, I don't know why people call it that, it is really just TW forum.. :confused:

Burrow
07-29-2009, 04:42 PM
I know, I don't know why people call it that, it is really just TW forum.. :confused:

Yes, normally I just hear "Tennis Warehouse" or "Talk Tennis".

lessthanjake
07-29-2009, 04:50 PM
Sampras could not win a GS event now. His movement would be a fail.

nobama
07-29-2009, 05:55 PM
:worship::haha::haha::haha:

That quote is worth the entire thread. Sampras rules.Yeah apparently AO doesn't count as a 'big match'. :haha:

Burrow
07-29-2009, 06:02 PM
Agassi beat him at the French Open too.

Lee
07-29-2009, 06:11 PM
Sampras and Agassi only played vs each other in Slam finals 4 times. Agassi won their first encounter in AO1995 but afterward, Sampras beat him 3 times in USO1995, Wimbledon1999 and USO2002.

I guess Sampras conveniently forgets about his only lost to Agassi in slam finals. :p

jonathancrane
07-29-2009, 06:13 PM
Sampras and Agassi only played vs each other in Slam finals 4 times. Agassi won their first encounter in AO1995 but afterward, Sampras beat him 3 times in USO1995, Wimbledon1999 and USO2002.

I guess Sampras conveniently forgets about his only lost to Agassi in slam finals. :p

US Open 1990 final Sampras def Agassi

Apemant
07-29-2009, 06:16 PM
Most players are usually forgotten but the likes of Sampras, Laver and Borg are legends whose names will be remembered forever and a day.

I think it's rather safe to assume that 1000 years from now, nobody will care about Samprases, Lavers, Borgs and Federers of today.

Not that it's an important fact anyone cares about. I mean, today nobody cares about what people 1000 years from now, will care about. LOL. :devil:

Lee
07-29-2009, 06:17 PM
US Open 1990 final Sampras def Agassi

Oops, missed that one. Thanks!

So 4-1 in favour of Sampras in slam finals. I guess that's what Sampras meant in big matches.

habibko
07-29-2009, 06:22 PM
he was in great physical shape in 2001, in fact a year after that he was good enough to win a GS, and yet he couldn't beat 2001-Fed in Wimbledon, how does he contemplate winning against #1 Fed is beyond me.

KarlyM
07-29-2009, 06:22 PM
NO!

Pete can't physically recover from the demands of a GS tournament (or any ATP tournament) playing against much younger guys. He can handle it for 1 exhibition match, but you don't see him playing them back-to-back now do you? I think the seniors tour and the occasional exhibition match is more than enough for him. ;)

Burrow
07-29-2009, 06:30 PM
he was in great physical shape in 2001, in fact a year after that he was good enough to win a GS, and yet he couldn't beat 2001-Fed in Wimbledon, how does he contemplate winning against #1 Fed is beyond me.

2001 was probably the worst shape he was in, in his whole career. :confused:

MacTheKnife
07-29-2009, 06:35 PM
Oops, missed that one. Thanks!

So 4-1 in favour of Sampras in slam finals. I guess that's what Sampras meant in big matches.

They met 6 times at Wimb and USO, Pete was 6-0. I'm guessing that's what he was talking about.

Maxon Tutnplok
07-29-2009, 07:02 PM
People seem to forget how Pete struggled prior to his USO 2002 win, it was actually quite emberassing to watch. There is no way he could be competitive nowadays on a weekly basis.

As far as Pete and Andre go, Andre beat him a few times in Slams, but I do feel that Pete always proved his dominance when the stakes were the highest.At USO 90 when they were first starting, at USO 95 when their rivalry was at its peak (and they were getting incredible ratings and publicity in America), at Wimby 99 in their only Wimbledon final, and at USO 2002 at their last big showdown. And in all those matches, Andre never really came close to winning.

r2473
07-29-2009, 07:35 PM
I think it's rather safe to assume that 1000 years from now, nobody will care about Samprases, Lavers, Borgs and Federers of today.

Not that it's an important fact anyone cares about. I mean, today nobody cares about what people 1000 years from now, will care about. LOL. :devil:

Historical Events for Year 1009

Results 1 - 2 of 2

Feb 14th - First known mention of Lithuania, in the annals of the monastery of Quedlinburg.
Oct 18th - The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, a Christian church in Jerusalem, is completely destroyed by the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, who hacks the Church's foundations down to bedrock.

Sapeod
07-29-2009, 07:57 PM
Historical Events for Year 1009

Results 1 - 2 of 2

Feb 14th - First known mention of Lithuania, in the annals of the monastery of Quedlinburg.
Oct 18th - The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, a Christian church in Jerusalem, is completely destroyed by the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, who hacks the Church's foundations down to bedrock.
Wow. A lot happened in 1009 :lol:

CyBorg
07-29-2009, 08:08 PM
Pancho Gonzales, when he was approaching 40, was still troubling the better players out there and was winning the occasional masters series-quality event. But never a grand slam-quality event.

And, unlike Sampras, Pancho never took extended time off. He'd retire, gamble a bunch of money away and then come back. Then retire again, spend it all and come back. Pete has been growing a gut since '02.

He did look decent in those exos, but one match is only one match.

Allez
07-29-2009, 08:18 PM
HELL TO THE NO!!! :mad:

joshabner5
07-29-2009, 11:05 PM
He could win the Virginia Slims Open.

oz_boz
07-29-2009, 11:12 PM
No. He could win a couple MMs but S/V is totally obsolete with todays' conditions, he would get destroyed everywhere bar Wimbledon, where the lack of good movers on grass could gove him a Q or even an SF if he could avoid Fed, Rafa or Murray in the draw.

AsGoodAsNew
07-30-2009, 02:42 AM
Historical Events for Year 1009

Results 1 - 2 of 2

Feb 14th - First known mention of Lithuania, in the annals of the monastery of Quedlinburg.
Oct 18th - The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, a Christian church in Jerusalem, is completely destroyed by the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, who hacks the Church's foundations down to bedrock.

:lol: But do you remember it?! Or even care?! Wikipedia?!

AsGoodAsNew
07-30-2009, 02:44 AM
Wow. A lot happened in 1009 :lol:

:lol: It was a sizzler of a year!