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Gstaad R1: Crivoi d. Kohltanker 64 60

philosophicalarf
07-27-2009, 03:54 PM
Neither could serve (like everyone first round in Gstaad), Kohly was hilariously appalling and didn't give a ****.

Second set, Crivoi broke immediately, but went 15-40 on serve. Then he won 15 points in a row.....

Those 2 bps at 15-40 above were Kohly's only ones in the match, against an opponent serving well under 40% for most of the match (and 33% first set!).


ps Nothing dodgy in the markets I could see (you have to check in Crivoi matches, and Kohly isn't exactly a stranger to them either).

Iván
07-27-2009, 03:56 PM
Hand on heart

I believe in Crivoi.

Not suprised at all, good mentality, nice serve, powerful and accurate groundies, he should go far.

philosophicalarf
07-27-2009, 03:58 PM
Yeah, for all Kohly tanked, Crivoi was pretty good. He had no serve and failed on a crapload of bps, but kept at it - would have been quite easy for him to lose the plot.

betowiec
07-27-2009, 03:59 PM
well done victor

Keyser Soze
07-27-2009, 04:00 PM
:worship: Victor

Machiavelli
07-27-2009, 04:04 PM
No comment, disgracefull performance and players should be banned for entering tournaments withou any desire of playing and just taking the cash, awful attitude from Kohli, just retire from life...

mr_burns
07-27-2009, 04:06 PM
this needs to be fined

philosophicalarf
07-27-2009, 04:10 PM
Yeah, have to agree (even though this was very profitable!). Bad for tennis - imagine you paid for a ticket. It's also why so few broadcasters buy the rights for early rounds, which is a pretty vicious circle: no tv coverage, no prizemoney, worse players enter.

Gstaad is especially bad for this because most players need to turn up early and acclimatise to the altitude. You get a lot of these 2nd set collapses as players get frustrated at constant groundstrokes mistiming, and the inability to get any serves in.

CooCooCachoo
07-27-2009, 04:11 PM
Haide Vic :rocker:

But Kohli shouldn't lose like that to Crivoi. Seems like he really did tank at some point :mad: Disappointing.

Voo de Mar
07-27-2009, 04:13 PM
Kohlschreiber didn't fight in the 2nd set :o Seems he wants to rest 2 weeks before Montreal.

HattonWBA
07-27-2009, 04:26 PM
Well done Victor, and to think there was a Kohli top 5 thread lol

JMG
07-27-2009, 04:34 PM
It's Kohlschreiber right to tank matches, that's the dangerous aspect of betting. Why should he withdraw and pay a fine for a late withdrawal? Doesn't make any sense financially.

I'm sure he will play in doubles though, so maybe it wasn't a clear tank.

DarkMarc
07-27-2009, 04:41 PM
wow, kohlschreiber, what a fucking loser. losing to kubot, cuevas and crivoi in a row... wow... that's not beatable...

fuck you you loser

Sunset of Age
07-27-2009, 04:47 PM
"Kohltanker" :lol:

gulzhan
07-27-2009, 04:47 PM
wow, kohlschreiber, what a fucking loser. losing to kubot, cuevas and crivoi in a row... wow... that's not beatable...

fuck you you loser

Completely agreed :mad:

philosophicalarf
07-27-2009, 04:49 PM
wow, kohlschreiber, what a fucking loser. losing to kubot, cuevas and crivoi in a row... wow... that's not beatable...



Lost Carlos Berlocq 6-0 6-2 Sopot 2006
Lost Oscar Hernandez 6-1 6-1 Palermo 2006


Quality efforts all round.

Mind you, there were more than a few dodgy results at those tournaments that year. Strangely enough, said dodgy results were predicted by the psychic market.

Geo
07-27-2009, 04:55 PM
isn't Kohlschreiber the same guy who beat Djokovic at RG this year :lol: :tape:

dylan24
07-27-2009, 05:04 PM
kohlschrieber is a disgrace. PK tanks more matches than anyone. No wonder he has been accused of fixing matches

Smoke944
07-27-2009, 06:26 PM
Great job by Victor :yeah:
If there is one thing I love to see in tennis it's guys who have been grinding it out in futures for years and yet stick it out end up having good success in the top-100 at a later age :)

ryan23
07-27-2009, 07:41 PM
isn't Kohlschreiber the same guy who beat Djokovic at RG this year :lol: :tape:

Yes but RG is a tournament where players actually try and win, these smaller events the top players dont give a shit

Arkulari
07-27-2009, 07:43 PM
http://wallpapers.dpiq.org/wallpapers/24/T-72,_Main_Battle_Tank.jpg

Henry Chinaski
07-27-2009, 08:28 PM
It's Kohlschreiber right to tank matches, that's the dangerous aspect of betting. Why should he withdraw and pay a fine for a late withdrawal? Doesn't make any sense financially.



it's against the rules to tank.

his right to tank is the same as my right to steal.

Ivanatis
07-27-2009, 09:32 PM
always good to see Kohlschreiber losing

JMG
07-27-2009, 09:54 PM
it's against the rules to tank.

his right to tank is the same as my right to steal.

No it's not and you can never determine objectively how much someone is tanking anyway.

Maybe he just had a bad day today. At least that's what he said on eurosport.

Corey Feldman
07-27-2009, 10:41 PM
what is going on with this Kohli

murders Nole in Paris, gives Federer his toughest match at Wimbledon

then has results like this against some mug in 1st rnd of a small event

Henry Chinaski
07-27-2009, 11:28 PM
No it's not and you can never determine objectively how much someone is tanking anyway.
.

"A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament"

"Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine of up to $10,000 for each violation.

rhinooooo
07-27-2009, 11:38 PM
No it's not and you can never determine objectively how much someone is tanking anyway.

Maybe he just had a bad day today. At least that's what he said on eurosport.

Why was Davydenko warned and fined against Cilic two years ago?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/atp-fines-davydenko-for-lack-of-effort-after-cilic-defeat-398051.html

This is why I hate the ATP and most sporting institutions. They are a bunch of useless scumbags who have no consistency whatsoever in implementing anything other than coming up with stupid ideas and thinking of shitty marketing campaigns.

If Davy got a fine for that (and having watched the match, it was the wrong decision, despite him being a dodgy fucker) - then Kohli's fine should be 10 times worse.

straitup
07-28-2009, 12:13 AM
:help: Horrendous

Dini
07-28-2009, 12:16 AM
:o

Why participate in the first place if the effort is so poor? :smash:

Bargearse
07-28-2009, 12:53 AM
He is inconsistent. Just can't get it up for the smaller tournaments (again). :yawn: Let's see how he travels at the US Open.

mr_burns
07-28-2009, 03:32 AM
he doesn't care for smaller tournaments? actually smaller ones are the ones he wins...

I really feel bad for people who travel there to watch him...he was the no 2 seed , not just a player in the draw

JMG
07-28-2009, 08:45 AM
"A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament"

"Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine of up to $10,000 for each violation.

What is a best effort? Can you look inside a body and brain? Do you want to forbid emotions then as well?

Henry Chinaski
07-28-2009, 02:54 PM
what are you on about now?

you said that tanking wasn't against the rules. It clearly is.

that's my only point to make and I've made it.

JMG
07-28-2009, 03:24 PM
"Lack of effort" may be against the rules on the paper, but there is no way to prove a lack of effort, unless it was fixing. Therefore the "rule" is useless and not applicable.
You can also see tanking as "best effort" in many cases, because in those situations a player can be simply mentally finished and not be able to focus on the match anymore. It's pretty much the best effort he can give in his mental state.