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Indy RI: Gicquel defeats Gulibis 6-2 6-3

Bargearse
07-20-2009, 09:17 PM
:o :devil:
Another shocker from Gulbis.

Burrow
07-20-2009, 09:19 PM
Unreal.

Bilbo
07-20-2009, 09:20 PM
expected one

real deal this Gulbis

Horatio Caine
07-20-2009, 09:20 PM
Could have at least made it look tidy - 'double-bagel' :o

Almost happened, considering that sticky service game in the 7th game, 2nd set.

oranges
07-20-2009, 09:24 PM
:hysteric: Man, if he doesn't get out of this slump he's been in for practically a year, he'll soon fall out of top 100 as a large chunk of the points is from one of the masters played pretty soon

bleu_cheese
07-20-2009, 09:25 PM
No breadsticks or bagels... probably explains the empty feeling I have right now.

Horatius
07-20-2009, 09:26 PM
Another one bites the dust.

rocketassist
07-20-2009, 09:27 PM
Stinkingly bad. :help:

I was hoping getting on to these hardcourts and playing these MMs might get him going again...

Smoke944
07-20-2009, 09:29 PM
I like both players, but what a contrast they are. Marc played futures for so many years he probably lost count. Most guys would have given up on the dream long before he did. Finally, he broke into the top-100 at age 28, which is rather amazing. I'm sure he appreciates the fact that after his long journey, he is traveling the world and getting paid to play a sport he loves in the biggest and most prestigious tennis tournaments.
On the other hand you have Ernests, who comes from an unbelievably wealthy family and broke the top-100 at 18 years old. Problem is, he doesn't even have a fraction of the understanding or appreciation that comes with this. Not only that, but you get the feeling he doesn't appreciate the fact that he gets to play a sport for a living or the fact that he was blessed with so much talent.

Anyway, great win Marc.

TMJordan
07-20-2009, 09:31 PM
Most overated in the history of tennis?

Allegretto
07-20-2009, 09:32 PM
Like he cares. He's already set for life financially. Tennis is just a hobby.

ballbasher101
07-20-2009, 09:32 PM
What's new.

Bilbo
07-20-2009, 09:37 PM
Most overated in the history of tennis?

probably yes

on MTF for sure

Bargearse
07-20-2009, 09:37 PM
He should invest some of dad's money in learning how to return serve. 24% of return points won is rather poor indeed. :rolleyes:

Goldenoldie
07-20-2009, 10:12 PM
If Gulbis drops out of the top 100 and doesn't get automatic entry into many events, it will be interesting to see how many wild cards he gets.

Do the tournament organizers still consider him a draw, or are they as fed up with him as the fans?

HattonWBA
07-20-2009, 10:18 PM
Gulbis = One dimensional overrated mug.

DekuTheEvilClown
07-21-2009, 01:01 AM
Last time he won back to back matches on the atp tour was cincinnati last year, which started on the 28th of July. Unless he plays next week he's gonna go 52 weeks without back to back wins.

Gulbis is having the kind of year that you just don't recover from, ever.

Acer
07-21-2009, 01:06 AM
Gulbis is so shit that I have to use a WTA reference and compare him to Vaidisova.

GlennMirnyi
07-21-2009, 01:38 AM
Most overated in the history of tennis?

That's Nalbandian.

Mimi
07-21-2009, 04:38 AM
:o :devil:
Another shocker from Gulbis.

sorry lily, Gubliis is still young, he will learn :hug:

DartMarcus
07-21-2009, 05:01 AM
Hasn`t won 2 straight matches since Cincy 2008 :haha:

fast_clay
07-21-2009, 05:15 AM
I like both players, but what a contrast they are. Marc played futures for so many years he probably lost count. Most guys would have given up on the dream long before he did. Finally, he broke into the top-100 at age 28, which is rather amazing. I'm sure he appreciates the fact that after his long journey, he is traveling the world and getting paid to play a sport he loves in the biggest and most prestigious tennis tournaments.
On the other hand you have Ernests, who comes from an unbelievably wealthy family and broke the top-100 at 18 years old. Problem is, he doesn't even have a fraction of the understanding or appreciation that comes with this. Not only that, but you get the feeling he doesn't appreciate the fact that he gets to play a sport for a living or the fact that he was blessed with so much talent.

Anyway, great win Marc.

great observations... this gicquel is a warrior in the mould of hernadez and hildago... true grinders in the spiritual sense...


i can just hear the angry mob now... running down the hill to meet with the next sh!t gulbis result to cast shame, disgust and pity upon him...

i will join this angry mob...:drive:

personally, i think gulbis really needs to drop to challenger level... build a large negative head2head record with alex bogdanovic... drop tennis.... then go on to take up archery...

Bargearse
07-21-2009, 06:14 AM
Gulbis is so shit that I have to use a WTA reference and compare him to Vaidisova.

Maybe Gulbis is dating Stepanek too! :eek: Isn't he the reason for Vaidisova's colossal form slump?

sorry lily, Gubliis is still young, he will learn :hug:

I don't know Mimi... he doesn't seem to remember how to hold serve, break serve or return serve. :scratch: He did however, win in the doubles with Turnsinov.... maybe he should become a doubles specialist instead. :shrug:



personally, i think gulbis really needs to drop to challenger level... build a large negative head2head record with alex bogdanovic... drop tennis.... then go on to take up archery...

Challenger level may be too much for him at the moment. The way he's playing, he wouldn't do well in the social tennis comp down the road from me. :rolleyes: He did some acting when he as a child, so that's always an option.

PoliFanAthic
07-21-2009, 11:13 AM
Sad case, this Gulbis.

Seems like there is some truth to how having to fight your way through life makes a man out of you.

*Jean*
07-21-2009, 11:16 AM
Ernests :sad: This is becoming worrying!

Audacity
07-21-2009, 11:18 AM
Wasn't it already worrying...?

-Evita-
07-21-2009, 11:53 AM
I just don't understand why some people hold Gulbis' father's wealth against him. What does it have to do with anything? No, the problem here is different. Gulbis is an artist and he wants to play tennis beautifully (and lose beautifully) instead of winning ugly. At least this is my take on it. And his "beautiful" game just doesn't work on most days, he hits UE after UE and that's it. But one day it will suddenly click and he'll start winning again, and I'll be so happy when he does :)

habibko
07-21-2009, 12:35 PM
I just don't understand why some people hold Gulbis' father's wealth against him. What does it have to do with anything? No, the problem here is different. Gulbis is an artist and he wants to play tennis beautifully (and lose beautifully) instead of winning ugly. At least this is my take on it. And his "beautiful" game just doesn't work on most days, he hits UE after UE and that's it. But one day it will suddenly click and he'll start winning again, and I'll be so happy when he does :)

artist? beautiful game? are we talking about the same player here...?

Venle
07-21-2009, 12:37 PM
Ernests! :smash: He needs to find his game. :sad:

-Evita-
07-21-2009, 01:27 PM
artist? beautiful game? are we talking about the same player here...?

I don't know who you're talking about, I'm talking about Ernests :shrug: Maybe "beautiful" wasn't the correct way to describe his game, beauty is in the eye of beholder, as we all know. What I meant to say is that he likes to play the way he plays and he's not willing to sacrifice it to win more. I think Wetter, his previous coach, tried him to do it and it didn't work. The "artist" bit I got from an interview some time ago. I don't remember who said, it was either one of his DC teammates or perhaps a teacher from his old school or someone else who knew Gulbis, and they described him as an artist at heart, in general how he views life. I think it fits.

Dougie
07-21-2009, 01:41 PM
I just don't understand why some people hold Gulbis' father's wealth against him. What does it have to do with anything? No, the problem here is different. Gulbis is an artist and he wants to play tennis beautifully (and lose beautifully) instead of winning ugly. At least this is my take on it. And his "beautiful" game just doesn't work on most days, he hits UE after UE and that's it. But one day it will suddenly click and he'll start winning again, and I'll be so happy when he does :)

You´re seriously suggesting he hasn´t won two consecutive matches in a year because he refuses to win ugly? What a great attitude. That´s not the attitude of an artist, that´s the attitude of a spoiled brat who´s never had to work for anything in his life. You don´t get to be a champion by winning only when playing well, you have to grind it out even when you play like s--t. He needs Brad Gilbert as his coach!

Nidhogg
07-21-2009, 01:42 PM
For you, Evita:

hb1QOTwaD90

Burrow
07-21-2009, 01:45 PM
Gulbis = One dimensional overrated mug.

He is hardly one dimensional, have you even seen him play?

Coming from a guy with Korolev in their signature....:rolleyes:

-Evita-
07-21-2009, 01:59 PM
You´re seriously suggesting he hasn´t won two consecutive matches in a year because he refuses to win ugly? What a great attitude. That´s not the attitude of an artist, that´s the attitude of a spoiled brat who´s never had to work for anything in his life. You don´t get to be a champion by winning only when playing well, you have to grind it out even when you play like s--t. He needs Brad Gilbert as his coach!

If you are seriously suggesting that Gulbis didn't have to work to get among the top 100 tennis players in the world then you don't know anything about him or tennis in general.

fast_clay
07-21-2009, 04:28 PM
he just has a fracture in the mind that will not mend...

it is sad... but... it is the truth...

if he is indeed an artist, then... it may be time to put away the brushes...

Dougie
07-21-2009, 04:36 PM
If you are seriously suggesting that Gulbis didn't have to work to get among the top 100 tennis players in the world then you don't know anything about him or tennis in general.

So what you´re saying is he worked his ass off to get to top 100, then let his artistic side take over and started to refuse winning with ugly play, which resulted in not winning consecutive matches for a whole year but will surely take him to top 10 when his own game is at a sufficiently beautiful level for him to want to win with it? That...doesn´t make sense.

I know a thing or two about tennis. And that sounds to me like a waste of talent.

oranges
07-21-2009, 05:06 PM
So what you´re saying is he worked his ass off to get to top 100, then let his artistic side take over and started to refuse winning with ugly play, which resulted in not winning consecutive matches for a whole year but will surely take him to top 10 when his own game is at a sufficiently beautiful level for him to want to win with it? That...doesn´t make sense.

I know a thing or two about tennis. And that sounds to me like a waste of talent.

I doubt any of us have an answer what's up with the terrible results in the past year, regardless whether we know a thing or two about tennis. I also don't see how it undermines the point Evita made that it is bordering SF that he made it to top 100 without working his ass off. Digs at his father's wealth are some of the lamest bashings to come across on these boards and that's saying a lot. All it shows is that many would kill to be in his position. I'd be willing to bet those loudest in hobby/spoiled/insert random stereotype comments would be the ones leading Paris Hilton life without even an occasional recreational sport of any kind thrown in. Why are you clutching at one comment and disregarding the essence? All those who "wasted talent" be it for a while or their entire career have been unbelievably rich or it's just unbelievably important in this particular case?

Dougie
07-21-2009, 06:44 PM
Maybe I could have chosen my words better. Obviously you don´t get to top 100 without practice. Some have to do it more, others less, depending on talent. What I mean is that if someone is really ready to throw away a whole year because he doesn´t want to win ugly, then his priorities are wrong, because those priorities are not those of a top athlete. Those priorities reflect the fact that he is too comfortable at the moment, he lacks the genuine hunger and need to succeed, that is common to true champions and great athletes. Now, this might be due to a lot of things, but one of the reasons might be his familys wealth, it wouldn´t be the first time. A lot of children whose families are wealthy lack the drive and determination that ultimately leads to success. The fact that you have all you need and more since you are born, might lead to a certain level of laziness and it might, in a way, cause them to not know why they are really working for. I´m just guessing, I don´t know Gulbis, I´m just saying that his familys wealth mihgt not be all that irrelevant. Whatever the reason, he obviously has some talent that he is throwing away at the moment, and that is always a tragedy, because most of us never experience talent like that. I work my ass off with a lousy salary to pay for my house loan and someone who´s dad is rich and who gets to play tennis at the top for a living decides to rather lose beautifully than win ugly!? Am I jealous? Sure. Is it a waste? Damn right it is!!!

Minotaur
07-21-2009, 07:00 PM
Is Ernest still with Prpic? If not his results are understandable.

If so than without Prpic contributing, Ernest could become another brainless ballbasher and without any confidence he is just very beatable virtually by anyone

He needs a good coach. A right one.

-Evita-
07-21-2009, 08:10 PM
Maybe I could have chosen my words better. Obviously you don´t get to top 100 without practice. Some have to do it more, others less, depending on talent. What I mean is that if someone is really ready to throw away a whole year because he doesn´t want to win ugly, then his priorities are wrong, because those priorities are not those of a top athlete. Those priorities reflect the fact that he is too comfortable at the moment, he lacks the genuine hunger and need to succeed, that is common to true champions and great athletes. Now, this might be due to a lot of things, but one of the reasons might be his familys wealth, it wouldn´t be the first time. A lot of children whose families are wealthy lack the drive and determination that ultimately leads to success. The fact that you have all you need and more since you are born, might lead to a certain level of laziness and it might, in a way, cause them to not know why they are really working for. I´m just guessing, I don´t know Gulbis, I´m just saying that his familys wealth mihgt not be all that irrelevant. Whatever the reason, he obviously has some talent that he is throwing away at the moment, and that is always a tragedy, because most of us never experience talent like that. I work my ass off with a lousy salary to pay for my house loan and someone who´s dad is rich and who gets to play tennis at the top for a living decides to rather lose beautifully than win ugly!? Am I jealous? Sure. Is it a waste? Damn right it is!!!

You obviously don't follow Gulbis's life and career too closely. As I understand it, the match against Andreev at the AO was sort of defining for Ernest this year, he lost the first two sets, came back to win the third and fourth ones, and then he was leading in the fifth (I think) but he couldn't close it out. As he later explained, it was because he got cramps, he said his physical fitness wasn't on a sufficient level for such a long match in those conditions. So he got himself a fitness coach and he's been working on that ever since. If you really want to know more about him and what he's done this year, not just throw around insults, you can read his two interviews on the Wimbledon website (http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/players/overview/atpg858.html?promo=playersearch), in those, he speaks at length about all that's been going on with him this year. I don't think he's wasting the year, I think he's working to get his game going.

The fact that you have all you need and more since you are born, might lead to a certain level of laziness and it might, in a way, cause them to not know why they are really working for.

You may not be aware of this but Ernest's parents got divorced when he was really young, maybe not even a couple of years old. Ernest lived in a simple flat together with his mother and his grandmother, and they didn't have any wealth. It's his father who has the money, not his mother. Sure, his father paid for his tennis lessons (and also later when he started to travel to tournaments) and I'm sure he got some nice toys when he was a kid but it's not like he grew up in a mansion with servants. I don't know him personally but I've read every interview he's given to the press (also in Latvian) and I don't think money has any impact on his will to succeed. I mean, all the top 20 players are millionaires, right? Even Ernest already has his own first million, you can look it up right on the ATP website. So the argument that rich tennis players don't have motivation to work hard is simply not true. I don't know what the deal with Ernest is, I can't get inside his head, but I seriously doubt his lack of success is because he suddenly realized he has enough money already.