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Wimbly Tournament of Champions

JediFed
07-18-2009, 11:20 PM
I was curious and generated this draw, which includes the best 128 performers at Wimbledon.

The draw has been randomised. Seed numbers represent my ranking. Some quite interesting matchups!

1 Pete Sampras
50 Baghdatis
65 Stoltenberg
103 Krishnan
56 Kafenikov
102 Kuhnen
48 Jarryd
25 Tim Henman
29 Philippoussis
86 Black
108 Gomez
63 Malisse
84 Clement
83 Lopez
54 Gottfried
16 Stich
9 Newcombe
105 Acuna
101 Goldie
71 G.Mayer
49 Bjorkman
80 Kriek
67 Edmonston
24 Ivan Lendl
17 Pat Cash
99 Pierce
122 Graebner
35 Wilander
120 Bertram
62 Johannson
37 Okker
7 Rod Laver
6 Boris Becker
107 Annacone
73 Berdych
87 Kiefer
114 Parun
110 Purcell
118 Gullikson
18 Jan Kodes
22 Ilie Nastase
123 Carmichael
78 Rusedski
88 Sanguinetti
69 Dupre
89 Ferreira
106 Smid
10 Goran Ivanisevic
13 Richard Krajicek
115 Orantes
82 Escude
68 Frawley
38 Ramirez
61 Schuettler
124 Drysdale
30 Cedric Piolene
27 David Nalbandian
116 Dibley
96 Matsuoka
74 Stepanek
125 Gimeno
42 Lewis
126 Gorman
3 Roger Federer
4 Jimmy Connors
127 Roy Emerson
33 Tanner
97 Bergstrom
46 Vilas
94 Gambill
75 Gonzalez
26 Jim Courier
23 Andy Roddick
112 Fleming
45 Djokovic
85 Niemenen
90 Voltchov
72 Murray
109 Sadri
15 Arthur Ashe
12 Rafael Nadal
104 Gundthart
98 Theirry-Champion
111 Radulescu
95 Elting
34 Mayotte
93 Sa
28 Sebastien Grosjean
32 Kevin Curren
66 Wheaton
64 Woodbridge
81 Teacher
117 Panatta
92 Enqvist
36 Roche
8 Stefan Edberg
5 John McEnroe
79 Gilbert
39 Metreveli
77 Korda
70 Popp
119 Scanlon
41 Leconte
21 Ken Rosewell
31 Todd Martin
58 Stockton
55 Ferrero
40 Ancic
47 Mecir
60 Amritaj
100 Chamberlain
14 Lleyton Hewitt
11 Andre Agassi
51 Zivojinovic
76 Kuerton
113 Fibak
34 Gerulaitis
53 S.Mayer
91 Lapentti
19 Stan Smith
20 Patrick Rafter
57 Chang
52 Forget
44 Safin
43 Washington
59 Taylor
128 McNamara
2 Bjorn Borg

Drikke
07-18-2009, 11:25 PM
let's play fill in the draw ? :p

GlennMirnyi
07-18-2009, 11:36 PM
What was your criterion? Put whomever you wanted to regardless of the results?

JimmyV
07-18-2009, 11:40 PM
Brilliant thread.

JediFed
07-18-2009, 11:41 PM
What was your criterion? Put whomever you wanted to regardless of the results?


Career performance at Wimbly, QFs+SFs+Fs+Ws. This is before 2009 Wimbly, which will move some players up.

I believe everyone here has at least 1 QF at Wimbledon.

Ilovetheblues_86
07-18-2009, 11:48 PM
Some days later...
and then Sampras, Nadal and Federer are gifted with easy draws.

R32 matches
1 Pete Sampras vs Kafelnikov or Henman
Philipoussis vs Stich
Newcombe vs Ivan Lendl
Pat Cash vs Rod Laver
Boris Becker vs Jan Kodes
Ilie Nastase vs Goran Ivanisevic
Richard Krajicek vs Cedric Piolene
David Nalbandian vs Roger Federer
Jimmy Connors vs Vilas or Courier
Andy Roddick vs Arthur Ashe or A.Murray or N.Djokovic
Rafael Nadal vs Mayotte or Grosjean
Kevin Curren vs Stefan Edberg
John McEnroe vs Ken Rosewall
Todd Martin vs Mecir or Hewitt
Andre Agassi vs Stan Smith or Gerulaitis
Patrick Rafter vs Bjorn Borg

GlennMirnyi
07-18-2009, 11:48 PM
Career performance at Wimbly, QFs+SFs+Fs+Ws. This is before 2009 Wimbly, which will move some players up.

I believe everyone here has at least 1 QF at Wimbledon.

You criterion sucks.

In tennis, making 1 final is more important than 5 SFs.

Therefore, you missed guys like Voltchkov, a SF in 2000.

Har-Tru
07-18-2009, 11:53 PM
this is Open Era I take it.

JediFed
07-18-2009, 11:58 PM
Ok, that's one. Any others that should be on the list?

I thought I had Voltchov on.

Yes, open era of course, which is why Laver only gets a 7 seed.

JediFed
07-19-2009, 12:04 AM
let's play fill in the draw ?


Why not, could be fun. :)

Burrow
07-19-2009, 12:14 AM
What a disastrous thread.

ForehandWinner
07-19-2009, 12:31 AM
Nice threat but what are the numbers based on?

out_here_grindin
07-19-2009, 02:41 AM
Baghdatis vs Sampras would be a classic. :worship:

lessthanjake
07-19-2009, 07:15 AM
Some days later...
and then Sampras, Nadal and Federer are gifted with easy draws.

R32 matches
1 Pete Sampras vs Kafelnikov or Henman
Philipoussis vs Stich
Newcombe vs Ivan Lendl
Pat Cash vs Rod Laver
Boris Becker vs Jan Kodes
Ilie Nastase vs Goran Ivanisevic
Richard Krajicek vs Cedric Piolene
David Nalbandian vs Roger Federer
Jimmy Connors vs Vilas or Courier
Andy Roddick vs Arthur Ashe or A.Murray or N.Djokovic
Rafael Nadal vs Mayotte or Grosjean
Kevin Curren vs Stefan Edberg
John McEnroe vs Ken Rosewall
Todd Martin vs Mecir or Hewitt
Andre Agassi vs Stan Smith or Gerulaitis
Patrick Rafter vs Bjorn Borg

The last 16 would look like this:

Sampras vs Stich
Newcombe vs Laver
Becker vs Ivanisevic
Krajicek vs Federer
Connors vs Roddick
Nadal vs Edberg
McEnroe vs Hewitt
Agassi vs Borg

At that point, some of the matchups are sort of opinion, but I think the quarters would end up like this:

Sampras vs Laver
Becker vs Federer
Connors vs Edberg
McEnroe vs Borg

I think the semis would be:

Sampras vs Federer
Edberg vs McEnroe

McEnroe against Borg was the toughest one there, but I think peak McEnroe in 1984 would beat Borg at his best on grass.

In any case, the finals would be McEnroe vs either Sampras or Federer. All three of those guys could win; Edberg wouldn't. The problem is that Federer, Sampras, and McEnroe played in different conditions at Wimbledon. McEnroe played on fast grass with wooden rackets. Sampras played on fast grass with modern rackets, and Federer has played on slower grass with modern rackets.

If we were playing in today's Wimbledon conditions, then Federer would beat Sampras. But if we were playing in past decade's grass, then the final would be Sampras vs McEnroe. 1999 Wimbledon Sampras vs 1984 Wimbledon McEnroe would be extremely good and extremely close.

HKz
07-19-2009, 10:43 AM
The last 16 would look like this:

Sampras vs Stich
Newcombe vs Laver
Becker vs Ivanisevic
Krajicek vs Federer
Connors vs Roddick
Nadal vs Edberg
McEnroe vs Hewitt
Agassi vs Borg

At that point, some of the matchups are sort of opinion, but I think the quarters would end up like this:

Sampras vs Laver
Becker vs Federer
Connors vs Edberg
McEnroe vs Borg

I think the semis would be:

Sampras vs Federer
Edberg vs McEnroe

McEnroe against Borg was the toughest one there, but I think peak McEnroe in 1984 would beat Borg at his best on grass.

In any case, the finals would be McEnroe vs either Sampras or Federer. All three of those guys could win; Edberg wouldn't. The problem is that Federer, Sampras, and McEnroe played in different conditions at Wimbledon. McEnroe played on fast grass with wooden rackets. Sampras played on fast grass with modern rackets, and Federer has played on slower grass with modern rackets.

If we were playing in today's Wimbledon conditions, then Federer would beat Sampras. But if we were playing in past decade's grass, then the final would be Sampras vs McEnroe. 1999 Wimbledon Sampras vs 1984 Wimbledon McEnroe would be extremely good and extremely close.

Good analysis. The debate on whether who would win Federer vs Sampras on the old grass is very questionable, because honestly even though Federer doesn't S&V he does hold serve quite effectively and I think I would give Federer the edge on returning. Sampras has a more powerful and flat forehand but he never showed anything off his backhand side that has impressed me.

And by the way, like Glenn says, the criterion does need a bit work.. Honestly, Roger should be second seed if we are going by statistics. Roger has 7 finals and 6 wins while Borg has 6 finals and 5 wins... I don't see how that puts Borg infront of Federer.

Certinfy
07-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Berdych :haha:

Goldenoldie
07-19-2009, 11:43 AM
Mildly interesting and as good a way as any of whiling away a few hours.

Very surprised to see twice winner Roy Emerson ranked at #127 behind so many lesser players, but based on Open Era only I suppose it's right.

I was also a bit miffed that there were nearly 20 names I didn't remember at all. No fun getting old!

Cloudygirl
07-19-2009, 12:02 PM
why doesn't Gasquet make your list - wimby semis plus 2 4th rounds but Schuettler does?

Roddickominator
07-19-2009, 02:00 PM
why doesn't Gasquet make your list - wimby semis plus 2 4th rounds but Schuettler does?

DQed for drug use.

JediFed
07-20-2009, 12:22 AM
This was done before Wimbly 09. If I adjusted it, Gasquet and Haas would be included, Murray, Roddick, Federer, Ferrero and Hewitt would all improve seeding.

Burrow
07-20-2009, 01:25 AM
Gasquet didn't play Wimbledon in 2009 so why would it matter?

Maxtour70
07-20-2009, 10:20 AM
Federer won 6 wimbledon + 1 final
Borg won 5 wimbledon + 1 final

Federer is seed number 2

Hence the final is Sampras - Federer which will finish 7-5 for Fed in 5th like it did in 2001

JediFed
07-21-2009, 04:51 AM
Gasquet didn't play Wimbledon in 2009 so why would it matter?


He was DQ'd at the time.

No, really, I have a secret crush on Gasquet and didn't want to share him with anybody else.