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Can Murray Break Federer & Nadal Rankings Dominance?

Arkulari
07-17-2009, 03:18 AM
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5922/rogerrules.jpg

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2009/07/Shark-Bites-Federer-Has-Hold-On-Number-One.aspx

r2473
07-17-2009, 03:20 AM
No

guga2120
07-17-2009, 03:38 AM
It's only a matter of time.

R.Federer
07-17-2009, 05:14 AM
Well, let's just hope it doesn't happen with results similar to Safina's at the majors. It would look odd :shrug:

FedFan_2007
07-17-2009, 05:22 AM
Well give it enough time...

Puschkin
07-17-2009, 05:26 AM
Wasn't he supposed to start doing that in Wimby? :haha:

vamosinator
07-17-2009, 05:45 AM
I used to think Murray could do it but he'sd playing like a wimp in the slams so I have to say NO. Mental shortcomings are often harder to overcome than physical shortcomings, often their is no solution for mental problems. You are born with guts or without guts. But Federer is retiring in a couple of years so I think Murray is the most likely world number 2 when that happens.

heya
07-17-2009, 05:51 AM
The entire media says "Federer and Murray has brains and all weapons. No one else has more than a weapon..". Brad Gilbert enjoyed that notion.:o

I guess the huge number of lucky matches and shaky boring tennis prove how laughable it is to deduce that these 3 destroy the ATP. The weakness of the field is still a fact.

doublebackhand
07-17-2009, 06:10 AM
A lot of people dont have the ability to differentiate facts and opinions :retard:

vamosinator
07-17-2009, 06:13 AM
A lot of people dont have the ability to differentiate facts and opinions :retard:

Thats your opinion unless you can provide stats :wavey:

Goldenoldie
07-17-2009, 07:42 AM
The answer is "of course, but not just yet".

HattonWBA
07-17-2009, 09:49 AM
No

Sapeod
07-17-2009, 09:50 AM
Yep, he will sometime. He can improve and isn't at his prime yet.

Manon
07-17-2009, 10:19 AM
Novak Djokovic

orangehat
07-17-2009, 10:27 AM
The only thing that can be broken (or rather shattered) right now is Murray's ego. And maybe a wake up call to his delusional fans.

shmeeko69
07-17-2009, 10:30 AM
Murray's biggest mountain will surely be Nadal. I think Federer has definately peaked & Djokivic flatters to deceive. If he can become stronger menatally then he has a chance, but It will be tough, as a fully fit Nadal is now the man to beat !

Mark :)

habibko
07-17-2009, 10:46 AM
not this year, I mean he would need to win Montreal, Cincy and USO and WTF and Fed and Nadal would need to lose first rounds or something, how else would he take the #1 ranking this year?

I think Federer has definately peaked

oh my I thought he didn't peak yet :eek: understatement of the year :spit:

Dini
07-17-2009, 10:47 AM
Habib it's not about no. 1 it's about whether he can be sandwiched between Fed and Nadal at no 2.

Agassi'sMullet
07-17-2009, 10:57 AM
Maybe if Nadal gets injured again and misses some major tournaments.

Healthy Nadal and Fed though - no chance

habibko
07-17-2009, 10:58 AM
Habib it's not about no. 1 it's about whether he can be sandwiched between Fed and Nadal at no 2.

oh sorry about that, I thought it's about #1 (woke up a short while ago :o)

well Nadal is defending heaps of points and is going to lose 800 points from the Olympics soon, that leaves a difference of about 200 points between them, so it's very likely that Murray could become #2 soon.

Acer
07-17-2009, 11:36 AM
What's that on Fed's forehead? Ew.

angry1
07-17-2009, 11:39 AM
oh sorry about that, I thought it's about #1 (woke up a short while ago :o)

well Nadal is defending heaps of points and is going to lose 800 points from the Olympics soon, that leaves a difference of about 200 points between them, so it's very likely that Murray could become #2 soon.

You just joined the ATP stats expert on the list of delusional Murray fans.News to both of you I'm sure.

I was thinking you both neither,until I was enlightened,I must admit.

timafi
07-17-2009, 12:21 PM
I hope NOT:mad:

Certinfy
07-17-2009, 12:32 PM
Yep.

Commander Data
07-17-2009, 12:55 PM
Thats your opinion unless you can provide stats :wavey:

whats up with you? have you eaten a library?


Next you even change your username to something that makes sense!

rocketassist
07-17-2009, 01:35 PM
If he does better than the returning Nadal in Montreal, he will be #2.

Burrow
07-17-2009, 01:42 PM
Win a grand slam first.

dam0dred
07-17-2009, 01:46 PM
Sure, why not. Fed only plays well at slams, Nadal is hurt. There's definitely an opening for Murray.

vamosinator
07-17-2009, 04:26 PM
Nadal is going to gain HUGE points at the Season Ending Championship. So the Olympic points won't matter.

Sapeod
07-17-2009, 04:31 PM
Nadal is going to gain HUGE points at the Season Ending Championship. So the Olympic points won't matter.
Maybe, but he'll have to make sure he doesn't cripple himself again though.

vamosinator
07-17-2009, 04:37 PM
Got to cripple yourself once before you know what you can get away with. Happened to Venus back in 2001, she could hardly jump to hit the ball in her 6-1 6-1 loss to Hingis. Look at Venus now, abbreviated schedule and she's entering her 30s.

Corey Feldman
07-17-2009, 04:41 PM
he will soon enough and the hata's will top themselves

Sapeod
07-17-2009, 04:42 PM
Got to cripple yourself once before you know what you can get away with. Happened to Venus back in 2001, she could hardly jump to hit the ball in her 6-1 6-1 loss to Hingis. Look at Venus now, abbreviated schedule and she's entering her 30s.
Venus is 27. Nowhere near 30 ATM. Same happened with Murray in 2007. Wrist injury.

MacTheKnife
07-17-2009, 04:46 PM
Venus is 27. Nowhere near 30 ATM. Same happened with Murray in 2007. Wrist injury.

She was 29 in June.

FedFan_2007
07-17-2009, 04:47 PM
RAFAwon09usopen is either really stupid or pretends to be so. Either way, it doesn't look good for him.

Certinfy
07-17-2009, 04:51 PM
RAFAwon09usopen is either really stupid or pretends to be so. Either way, it doesn't look good for him.
:haha: :haha: :haha:

MrChopin
07-17-2009, 05:06 PM
If Murray wins USO, then certainly. If not, Aug 10-Sept 14 will probably be his last chance until November. He will go into Montreal behind Rafa by only 235, so if he outplays him there and at Cincy, he gets #2 to start USO.

Certinfy
07-17-2009, 05:07 PM
If Murray wins USO, then certainly. If not, Aug 10-Sept 14 will probably be his last chance until November. He will go into Montreal behind Rafa by only 235, so if he outplays him there and at Cincy, he gets #2 to start USO.
... And then hopefully Rafa and Roger are in the same half of the draw.

MrChopin
07-17-2009, 05:24 PM
... And then hopefully Rafa and Roger are in the same half of the draw.

Indeed. Fed might want to get working on that H2H as soon as Nadal comes back.

Plus, a bottom half draw with Murray, Djokovic, Roddick, and Del Potro would be rather interesting.

chenx15
07-17-2009, 05:39 PM
I don't see it happening sadly. i see roddick and djokovic doing it more than murray

Arkulari
07-17-2009, 05:57 PM
about the short schedule for Venus, some people in here don't know that the WTA has a different calendar and women don't have to play as many mandatory events as men, there are no 9 Masters 1000 for them, so of course they can plan their schedule much better, besides they play best of 3 in all their competitions :rolleyes:

Rafa can't miss the mandatory events, but he can plan his season better and stop playing some stupid events like Rotterdam :shrug:

MacTheKnife
07-17-2009, 06:00 PM
Murray has some serious points to defend through the end of this year, around 5200. He made the final at the USO last year so he's even got 1400 there.
But, there's only a 1285 gap between he and Nadal right now, and Nadal's got some points to defend himself.
Nadal will take the hardest Olympic hit dropping 800pts, Fed drops 200, and Muzza 10.
It should really tighten up if all three hold form and this may well hinge on how Nadal holds up physically.

DrJules
07-17-2009, 06:02 PM
about the short schedule for Venus, some people in here don't know that the WTA has a different calendar and women don't have to play as many mandatory events as men, there are no 9 Masters 1000 for them, so of course they can plan their schedule much better, besides they play best of 3 in all their competitions :rolleyes:

Rafa can't miss the mandatory events, but he can plan his season better and stop playing some stupid events like Rotterdam :shrug:

In the last 12 months Nadal has actually played 18 events and Federer 17 (only player less than 20 except Nadal)despite Nadal missing last 2 events:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx

DrJules
07-17-2009, 06:04 PM
I don't see it happening sadly. i see roddick and djokovic doing it more than murray

It really relates to their respective computer ranking points at the current moment.

Arkulari
07-17-2009, 06:06 PM
it's not about the quantity, it's about the scheduling of those events he plays, for example his clay court season is super packed: 5 straight tournaments (three Masters 1000, one 500 and RG), also he plays every event in Dubai, Doha and the such and his knees can't take that much strain, other players can play 1531514534156 tournaments, but Rafa can't and he must know it :shrug:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4757/pointsuso.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/pointsuso.jpg/)

Points Dropping through US Open = Federer (2,360), Nadal (3,150), Murray (2,860)

DrJules
07-17-2009, 06:13 PM
it's not about the quantity, it's about the scheduling of those events he plays, for example his clay court season is super packed: 5 straight tournaments (three Masters 1000, one 500 and RG), also he plays every event in Dubai, Doha and the such and his knees can't take that much strain, other players can play 1531514534156 tournaments, but Rafa can't and he must know it :shrug:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4757/pointsuso.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/pointsuso.jpg/)

Points Dropping through US Open = Federer (2,360), Nadal (3,150), Murray (2,860)

Until injured he played more matches and almost certainly spent more time on court (it would be interesting to see how much ahead in time played he is of the next most), but I am not sure anybody else could have sustained the number of matches and court time.

safinafan
07-18-2009, 03:17 AM
maybe next year :o

vamosinator
07-18-2009, 05:39 AM
RAFAwon09usopen is either really stupid or pretends to be so. Either way, it doesn't look good for him.

Thanks for the quote, cya in September :wavey:

vamosinator
07-18-2009, 05:41 AM
Venus is 27. Nowhere near 30 ATM. Same happened with Murray in 2007. Wrist injury.

Venus is 29, and she had severe knee tendinitis in 2001 when Hingis murdered her 6-1 6-1 at the Aust Open semis :wavey:

vamosinator
07-18-2009, 05:42 AM
In the last 12 months Nadal has actually played 18 events and Federer 17 (only player less than 20 except Nadal)despite Nadal missing last 2 events:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx

Although Nadal has played A LOT more matches since he actually wins the events.

feuselino
07-18-2009, 06:35 AM
Although Nadal has played A LOT more matches since he actually wins the events.

Last 12 months:

Federer: 76 matches (64-12)
Nadal: 79 matches (70-9)

Practically the same... but I'm sure if you add up the time spent on court, Nadal "wins" quite easily, thanks to his style of play.

Vida
07-18-2009, 09:20 AM
does that count doubles?

anyway, sure murray can, hes very consistent. but he failed at slams so many times that a mini slump might be next in line. he has SF, W next two masters than F at USO. still it would be better to bet on other guys to fail than him.

Har-Tru
07-18-2009, 04:08 PM
he should get to play them in GS first. that's what really matters. otherwise rankings... bah.

Certinfy
07-18-2009, 04:12 PM
Yes, and Federer will be the one of out the top 2.

The Oracle
08-15-2009, 09:26 PM
Just did~