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WTF is your problem mods?

habibko
06-17-2009, 12:34 AM
why has this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145333&page=57) been closed? and since when do we close match results threads after a certain time passed?

if you have closed it because it went off-topic, if you checked the precise page I linked to, you'll see that it only went off topic for a handful of posts in that page, clearly started by haters to bring the thread off-topic.

if that was the reason for closing it, why didn't you just delete those few apparently butthurting off-topic posts? how come a thread like this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=8) goes (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=9) off (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=10) topic (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=11) for (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=12) this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=13) long (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=14) and yet nothing is done to close it?

people are going to comment on that match and on it's historic impact for years to come, what kind of retarded moderation is this?

Sunset of Age
06-17-2009, 01:11 AM
why has this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145333&page=57) been closed? and since when do we close match results threads after a certain time passed?

if you have closed it because it went off-topic, if you checked the precise page I linked to, you'll see that it only went off topic for a handful of posts in that page, clearly started by haters to bring the thread off-topic.

if that was the reason for closing it, why didn't you just delete those few apparently butthurting off-topic posts? how come a thread like this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=8) goes (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=9) off (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=10) topic (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=11) for (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=12) this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=13) long (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=14) and yet nothing is done to close it?

people are going to comment on that match and on it's historic impact for years to come, what kind of retarded moderation is this?

Well said, Habib. If anything, that silly 'Murray-dissing-Fed'-thread deserves to be dumped into the Pit of Doom a lot more, for plenty reasons.

LinkMage
06-17-2009, 01:29 AM
You can thank the :retard: Noletrolls for the closing of the thread. They did the same pathetic thing with the Nole roasting thread until it got closed.

MrChopin
06-17-2009, 01:51 AM
It's been only 9 days since he won RG, completed the career slam, and tied Sampras. Probably will go down as the most important slam victory of his career, and by extension, the most important slam victory this decade. Nice work mods!

TMJordan
06-17-2009, 02:02 AM
Seriously, you mods don't have the right to close this thread. Stop being so god damn power hungry already geez.

Dini
06-17-2009, 05:48 AM
That is a historic thread and now because some Nole fans went off topic the whole of MTF should pay the price as it doesn't exist anymore? :confused:

Castafiore
06-17-2009, 07:24 AM
It happened to the AO final thread as well. I'm guessing that some can't handle seeing fans of a player celebrate so they feel the need to make sure that the thread gets closed just to spite a certain fanbase.

Blame them, not the mods.

I still think that part of the problem is the closing of the hahaha/peeler/roasting...threads.
That gave the haters, the trolls,...one place to go to for gloating purposes. Now, they're using the match threads for this purpose.

You can still celebrate in Fed's forum, can't you?

habibko
06-22-2009, 08:32 AM
thread locked again, would someone explain why exactly? since when are happy smileys about a result "off-topic"?

Action Jackson
06-22-2009, 08:35 AM
Perfectly deserved.

scoobs
06-22-2009, 08:49 AM
It's been closed because it's now Wimbledon, the French is long over and frankly, the attempts to keep it going are extremely tedious.

Time to move on.

It can continue to be celebrated in the Federer forum now.

Thanos
06-22-2009, 08:54 AM
well said scoobs.

habibko
06-22-2009, 02:37 PM
It's been closed because it's now Wimbledon, the French is long over and frankly, the attempts to keep it going are extremely tedious.

Time to move on.

It can continue to be celebrated in the Federer forum now.

really? I haven't seen that one in the rules.

what a joke.

scoobs
06-22-2009, 03:55 PM
Haven't you?

(3) Try to avoid discussions that are unrelated to the main subject of threads. Posts that deviate significantly from the main point of a thread may be removed, or a thread may be closed when it has veered off topic, or is no longer generating any useful discussion. (most common infraction types: forum disruptions)

habibko
06-22-2009, 04:14 PM
Haven't you?

(3) Try to avoid discussions that are unrelated to the main subject of threads. Posts that deviate significantly from the main point of a thread may be removed, or a thread may be closed when it has veered off topic, or is no longer generating any useful discussion. (most common infraction types: forum disruptions)

so if a thread wasn't generating a useful discussion for a day or two you automatically close it no matter how significant the thread is? I was just about to start a very important discussion with a post there on a strategy pattern of Roger's matches which was evident in Soderling's match as well, and people were still commenting on the match for the first time.

so what if a night or two passes with no discussions but with :aparty:s and :banana:s ? this is ridiculous.

scoobs
06-22-2009, 04:39 PM
a few days?

maybe not. a few weeks...well...possibly.

i didn't expect you to like it. what else is new.

habibko
06-22-2009, 05:55 PM
i didn't expect you to like it. what else is new.

what is that supposed to mean? that's the first time I complain about a closed thread, are you implying I'm a trouble maker of some sort whose voice better be ignored?

all the threads from the fourth page and on are not generating useful discussion anymore, why don't you close all of them as well?

I say it again, this is a historic thread and discussions will always be there and posters will very likely look back to this thread and bump it for various reasons even long after all discussions stops which might generate more discussions, this decision is downright silly and unjustified.

Action Jackson
06-22-2009, 05:58 PM
It was a pissing contest, the ones on the fourth page are there because that is where they should be, if there is something to add, then it's added.

This was very lame at best.

habibko
06-22-2009, 06:08 PM
It was a pissing contest, the ones on the fourth page are there because that is where they should be, if there is something to add, then it's added.

This was very lame at best.

exactly, and the threads on the first page are there because that is where they should be, if there is something to add, then it's added, since when were they closed because posters posted happy smileys and cheered for the winner? who sets the time limit for that to be allowed right after the match or a year after the match? that is certainly not in the rules.

habibko
06-23-2009, 03:20 AM
wow now I got an infraction for this thread, as if the moderation couldn't get any worse :retard:

instead of addressing the problem I'm complaining about they go on and infract you because you dared make a voice....

Zirconek
06-23-2009, 03:40 AM
wow now I got an infraction for this thread, as if the moderation couldn't get any worse :retard:

instead of addressing the problem I'm complaining about they go on and infract you because you dared make a voice....

It was me abusing the power :devil:

or it was you who missed a chance to do your request in an appropriate way.:p

From the "Site rules" thread:
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No need of overreaction :hug:

habibko
06-23-2009, 04:05 AM
It was me abusing the power :devil:

or it was you who missed a chance to do your request in an appropriate way.:p

From the "Site rules" thread:

No need of overreaction :hug:


what can I say, it seems us feeble members must only kiss arses to you and mods like you if we wanted our voice to be heard, any slighly *close your eyes* harsh *open your eyes* langauge is not acceptable, while normal memebrs in the herd can bash and personally attack themselves for all you care, all that matters is that you address the gods in Mt. Olympus in an "appropriate way".

Johnny Groove
06-23-2009, 04:06 AM
I can see you point, habib, and maybe I'm a bit biased about that particular thread, but it seemed like the last couple pages were nothing more than gloating and wanking :shrug:

Not that its any different from any other GM thread, which is why I don't agree with the thread being locked.

Let the Fed fans have their own little gloating thread. Lord knows they need some type of ego stroke in their daily lives.

Chiseller
06-23-2009, 04:31 AM
I don't mind it being closed for the moment since there wasn't much of a discussion anyway. Would be pity though if it stays closed forever, it's always worth a bump.
The infraction is laughable, certainly more of an overreaction on your side Zirconek than on habibko's.

Har-Tru
06-23-2009, 05:17 AM
Not that its any different from any other GM thread, which is why I don't agree with the thread being locked.

This.

Zirconek
06-23-2009, 07:57 PM
what can I say, it seems us feeble members must only kiss arses to you and mods like you if we wanted our voice to be heard, any slighly *close your eyes* harsh *open your eyes* langauge is not acceptable, while normal memebrs in the herd can bash and personally attack themselves for all you care, all that matters is that you address the gods in Mt. Olympus in an "appropriate way".


personal attacks are not tolerated, except if it's within a context (like in some non-tennis threads like ACC and kostas thread and ebven those until a certain limit). Reported posts are analyzed by moderators, who then take action. Some posts, especially if not reported, can be missed by moderators. Moderators are not flawless and mistakes happen, that's why a feedback is important.

You've got a warning and I explained it by showing you the site rules, maybe I was too harsh, but it doesn't help you saying moderators are arrogant - like you did in ACC thread- when you have friendly and patient answers to your questions and are not able to say something like "sorry", "my mistake", "OK", etc.

habibko
06-23-2009, 08:07 PM
You've got a warning and I explained it by showing you the site rules, maybe I was too harsh, but it doesn't help you saying moderators are arrogant - like you did in ACC thread- when you have friendly and patient answers to your questions and are not able to say something like "sorry", "my mistake", "OK", etc.

yes you were too harsh and the warning is not deserved and I expect it to be lifted by the admins and mods, you can't be friendly and patient when you believe you are being treated injusticely, I've been on this forum long enough for everyone to know I don't take joy in bashing members or mods and I never intend to do that, and if you check my record you will see that I never got an infraction or a warning before this one you gave me, so you are not one to lecture me about being polite and friendly.

Zirconek
06-23-2009, 08:23 PM
yes you were too harsh and the warning is not deserved and I expect it to be lifted by the admins and mods, you can't be friendly and patient when you believe you are being treated injusticely, I've been on this forum long enough for everyone to know I don't take joy in bashing members or mods and I never intend to do that, and if you check my record you will see that I never got an infraction or a warning before this one you gave me, so you are not one to lecture me about being polite and friendly.

I'm quite new to moderation team and I'm still learning. I've been invited to be a super-mod because the "bosses" think I have good sense and would like to help the forum.

Some few people already talked to mods in this board in a way that could be infracted (and more than once), but it didn't happen, mainly because the mods were lenient or because are the same few people who just troll around so they left it out, that is not your case (being a troll). Anyway, I sticked to forum rules and thought it was worthy a warning. You may disagree, especially because it's about you. Hopefully all this story will bring a new environment to this forum, since some posters have been really out of line when referring to the mods (I'm not talking about ACC). And you will the the martyr who brought this new age. :D

habibko
06-23-2009, 08:28 PM
I'm quite new to moderation team and I'm still learning. I've been invited to be a super-mod because the "bosses" think I have good sense and would like to help the forum.

Some few people already talked to mods in this board in a way that could be infracted (and more than once), but it didn't happen, mainly because the mods were lenient or because are the same few people who just troll around so they left it out, that is not your case (being a troll). Anyway, I sticked to forum rules and thought it was worthy a warning. You may disagree, especially because it's about you. Hopefully all this story will bring a new environment to this forum, since some posters have been really out of line when referring to the mods (I'm not talking about ACC). And you will the the martyr who brought this new age. :D

..... I don't know what to say anymore..

there was nothing wrong in the language I used in this thread, it's an acceptable language in MTF to talk to anyone and I've used it all the time here, the fact that I got a warning for addressing the mods in a way that had no personal attacks or any sort of bashing is highly unjustified and should never have happened, maybe this happened because you are new and still learning, but I did nothing wrong and I don't deserve a warning and it should be lifted, hope this helps.

Action Jackson
06-23-2009, 08:34 PM
exactly, and the threads on the first page are there because that is where they should be, if there is something to add, then it's added, since when were they closed because posters posted happy smileys and cheered for the winner? who sets the time limit for that to be allowed right after the match or a year after the match? that is certainly not in the rules.

Not in this case. It deserved to be locked and should have been done a while ago. Why, because everything had been said, done and repeated about the match, the tournament and the achievement.

Only reason it was kept going was just posting random shit, so it would have more posts than other GM threads aka Nadal/Söderling, then the posting of the nonsense lead to some other threads being bumped that had no reason to be.

If you are telling me that actually generated any useful discussion towards and wasn't just fan fawning which is acceptable in GM, then you are taking the piss.

habibko
06-23-2009, 08:40 PM
Not in this case. It deserved to be locked and should have been done a while ago. Why, because everything had been said, done and repeated about the match, the tournament and the achievement.

Only reason it was kept going was just posting random shit, so it would have more posts than other GM threads aka Nadal/Söderling, then the posting of the nonsense lead to some other threads being bumped that had no reason to be.

If you are telling me that actually generated any useful discussion towards and wasn't just fan fawning which is acceptable in GM, then you are taking the piss.

after I posted this thread the thread was opened again and had 4 more pages of posting and it got closed again, can you explain this inconsistency from the mods to me? they should have kept it open, why did they open it then if it wasn't the right move?

and yes it was generating useful discussions, I had a very long and serious post there right before it was closed, the mods gave it no chance to generate discussions, and happy smileys are not against the rules as far as I know, this whole situation is ridiculous really, it's like fans are not allowed to express their joy about a match.

and to add insult to injury, I get warned for this thread :worship:

:retard:

anyway I got the message, if you complain to the mods you are very likely to get infracted/warned, so I won't complain about any actions of the mods from now on, good job with your moderation everyone :yeah:

Zirconek
06-23-2009, 08:43 PM
[edit] Title: WTF is your problem mods? [edit]

why has this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145333&page=57) been closed? and since when do we close match results threads after a certain time passed?

if you have closed it because it went off-topic, if you checked the precise page I linked to, you'll see that it only went off topic for a handful of posts in that page, clearly started by haters to bring the thread off-topic.

if that was the reason for closing it, why didn't you just delete those few apparently butthurting off-topic posts? how come a thread like this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=8) goes (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=9) off (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=10) topic (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=11) for (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=12) this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=13) long (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=145990&page=14) and yet nothing is done to close it?

people are going to comment on that match and on it's historic impact for years to come, what kind of retarded moderation is this?

You were far from being nice, at least for my standards. I really don't think you can't say I don't have a valid point. BTW, you could have followed the steps that are in site rules and also made a better and less enigmatic title, related to the issue. I understand you think the issue is very important, but also you could have posted your concerns in a similar thread. Just a tip ;)

habibko
06-23-2009, 08:47 PM
You were far from being nice, at least for my standards. I really don't think you can't say I don't have a valid point. BTW, you could have followed the steps that are in site rules and also made a better and less enigmatic title, related to the issue. I understand you think the issue is very important, but also you could have posted your concerns in a similar thread. Just a tip ;)

if I said "WTF is your problem?" or "what kind of retarded post is this? to any poster in GM, will I get warned for it?

if the answer to this question is yes, I will admit that I was wrong and I dserve the warning.

however this language is used on MTF ALL THE TIME, and no one is warned or infracted for it, so go on, enlighten me.

Zirconek
06-23-2009, 08:48 PM
anyway I got the message, if you complain to the mods you are very likely to get infracted/warned, so I won't complain about any actions of the mods from now on, good job with your moderation everyone :yeah:

For the last time, it's not true. Try harder.

Action Jackson
06-23-2009, 08:48 PM
More pages of just random smilies, gloating and videos. The point you actually raised could have been done in a separate thread because it was not related to that subject at all.

The match and everything that could have been said about it was well over, but no some Fed fans wanted to gloat even more about the moment, and got shitty when it was closed. It wouldn't have been closed, if the thread took it's natural course, but no lets rub it into more people and get past a number of posts of other thread.

Zirconek
06-23-2009, 08:53 PM
if I said "WTF is your problem?" or "what kind of retarded post is this? to any poster in GM, will I get warned for it?

if the answer to this question is yes, I will admit that I was wrong and I dserve the warning.

however this language is used on MTF ALL THE TIME, and no one is warned or infracted for it, so go on, enlighten me.

Maybe not a warning, since posts deleted already work as a pre-warning (the poster will see the post was deleted and will notice was out of line, if it happens again, then a PM or a warning). By starting a thread with such language, yes, a warning or even an infraction.

habibko
06-23-2009, 08:58 PM
Maybe not a warning, since posts deleted already work as a pre-warning (the poster will see the post was deleted and will notice was out of line, if it happens again, then a PM or a warning). By starting a thread with such language, yes, a warning or even an infraction.

such posts were never deleted and never considered to have crossed the lines, even far more offensive language like "you moron" or "you are stupid" isn't deleted, what you say has nothing to do with what happens.

if this warning was given only by you, I demand that a team of admins and mods review this decision so that the wrong will be corrected, or was this warning given to me by an agreement from all the mods and admins?

prima donna
06-23-2009, 09:02 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showgroups.php

Forward each of his messages to the administrators listed.

habibko
06-23-2009, 09:07 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showgroups.php

Forward each of his messages to the administrators listed.

thanks, but that's alot of work, I trust Zirconek would be competent enough to raise this issue to the mods himself, or they would check this thread themselves and make a decision.

Zirconek
06-23-2009, 09:12 PM
such posts were never deleted and never considered to have crossed the lines, even far more offensive language like "you moron" or "you are stupid" isn't deleted, what you say has nothing to do with what happens.

This is not true, plenty of posts with similar content were deleted recently, some may be missed because they were not reported and moderators can't read all posts of this board. Before being a super-mod, I was a mod of Chalçlengers and Futures section, and this kind of language is not allowed there.


if this warning was given only by you, I demand that a team of admins and mods review this decision so that the wrong will be corrected, or was this warning given to me by an agreement from all the mods and admins?

It was given by me, it's not possible all warnings and infractions to be discussed, so only some are brought to discussion when there are doubts.

Others will check if it was wrong (like you say) or correct. I'm not sure if a warning can be lifted, though. If they agree with you, I'll publicly apologize to you, hope it's enough.

habibko
06-23-2009, 09:16 PM
This is not true, plenty of posts with similar content were deleted recently, some may be missed because they were not reported and moderators can't read all posts of this board. Before being a super-mod, I was a mod of Chalçlengers and Futures section, and this kind of language is not allowed there.



It was given by me, it's not possible all warnings and infractions to be discussed, so only some are brought to discussion when there are doubts.

Others will check if it was wrong (like you say) or correct. I'm not sure if a warning can be lifted, though. If they agree with you, I'll publicly apologize to you, hope it's enough.

no need to apologize for a mistake, everyone makes mistakes, but I'd like to know if the mods approve of disapprove of your decision, that's all.

scoobs
06-25-2009, 10:35 AM
I've reviewed it and as far as I'm concerned it should stand.

habibko
06-25-2009, 10:49 AM
I've reviewed it and as far as I'm concerned it should stand.

wow, didn't expect that one from you, I thought you had much more experience with moderation and what language is appropriate or not.

oh well, I'm still waiting for Zirco to give me the mods final decision on it, there was nothing wrong with the way I talked and I didn't intend nor did I post anything bashing or personally offending.

Yves.
06-25-2009, 11:03 AM
Maybe this site should get rid of its moderators. It seems to me that more and more the moderation is done brainlessly.

scoobs
06-25-2009, 11:11 AM
First of all it's only a warning.

Secondly if someone is asking for feedback on a decision, terms like "WTF is your problem" and "retarded moderation" are unnecessary and not calculated to make me, at least, want to respond favourably.

Thirdly, if someone sends a post at me "demanding" I do something, as you "demanded" this decision be reviewed by the other mods, then that's only likely to be further get my back up.

If people can't start a thread to discuss a mod decision and do it without being quite rude, then as far as I'm concerned, they just shouldn't bother. I'm not asking for exaggerated respect, I'm not that naive, but neither is this a prosecution in a court room with the mods in the dock.

That's why I think the warning should stand. It's not just the words, it's the context.

habibko
06-25-2009, 11:19 AM
First of all it's only a warning.

Secondly if someone is asking for feedback on a decision, terms like "WTF is your problem" and "retarded moderation" are unnecessary and not calculated to make me, at least, want to respond favourably.

Thirdly, if someone sends a post at me "demanding" I do something, as you "demanded" this decision be reviewed by the other mods, then that's only likely to be further get my back up.

If people can't start a thread to discuss a mod decision and do it without being quite rude, then as far as I'm concerned, they just shouldn't bother. I'm not asking for exaggerated respect, I'm not that naive, but neither is this a prosecution in a court room with the mods in the dock.

That's why I think the warning should stand. It's not just the words, it's the context.

lol don't be rude to the mods, but it's ok to be rude to anyone else around!

I have the right to demand a review don't I? why should it get your back up? I'm not asking for anything wrong am I? why are you making this sound like habibko vs. the mods?

the mods are not concerned with my complaint anymore, but keep bitching about "rude" attitude and gives out warnings at the slightest hint of "not very polite" language, allow me to say that the mods attitude in this thread has been quite ridiculous and clearly biased, that's what I honestly think :)

I don't care if you lift the warning or not, I'm fed up with all this.

scoobs
06-25-2009, 11:45 AM
lol don't be rude to the mods, but it's ok to be rude to anyone else around!

I have the right to demand a review don't I? why should it get your back up? I'm not asking for anything wrong am I? why are you making this sound like habibko vs. the mods?

the mods are not concerned with my complaint anymore, but keep bitching about "rude" attitude and gives out warnings at the slightest hint of "not very polite" language, allow me to say that the mods attitude in this thread has been quite ridiculous and clearly biased, that's what I honestly think :)

I don't care if you lift the warning or not, I'm fed up with all this.
No, you don't have the "right" to "demand" anything. We're not here to be "demanded" to. I don't know if "demand" means something different to you but to me in English it has a very aggressive and rude sense about it.

If you want a decision reviewed you can ask for it, but there's nothing that compels us to do so except our wanting to make clear why we do what we do.

We bend over backwards to try and explain the reasons for the decisions we make, do we expect people to like everything we do, no, but when someone asks why we do answer, sometimes in extremely exhaustive detail.

I'm saying in future that if you expect us to answer your questions about decisions, posters can try and find a nicer way to go about it than being confrontational and aggressive. That's to all posters, not just you. Otherwise people are likely to find their questions just ignored - we're not going to spend time being aggressively cross examined.

As for the original complaint, the thread closure stands.

That thread was being dragged on for no other reason than Federer fans wanting to go on gloating - that's not been allowed from other fangroups on other match threads, indeed this thread was allowed to drag on longer than others would have because of the magnitude of the achievement, but there comes a point where if people are just pointlessly bumping a thead to celebrate an old event, and it is no longer of any interest to the general GM population, it will be closed and the posters will be asked to continue in that player's forum. There's nothing vindictive about it, there's just no need to have French Open threads being bumped while we're in the middle of Wimbledon.

habibko
06-25-2009, 11:52 AM
so because I said "demand" and not "ask", I'm being ignored right now, I had no idea demand was offensive for you, I'm not that much well informed about how people percieve different english words, it's not my mother tongue and I type as I translate from Arabic in my mind, so I don't expect my words to be accurate all the time.

anyway as I said, whatever you say, you guys run the show, we just have to eat it and beat it.

scoobs
06-25-2009, 12:18 PM
so because I said "demand" and not "ask", I'm being ignored right now, I had no idea demand was offensive for you, I'm not that much well informed about how people percieve different english words, it's not my mother tongue and I type as I translate from Arabic in my mind, so I don't expect my words to be accurate all the time.

anyway as I said, whatever you say, you guys run the show, we just have to eat it and beat it.
how are you being ignored? Seriously? This thread is FOUR PAGES LONG.

How much more unignored do you want to be?

Is there something I'm missing here?

I wondered if it was a language issue in terms of "demand" , you have just confirmed it so that's fine. In English, "ask" is considered much more polite than "demand",

As for the rest, I have already addressed the issues you raised, so how you can complain you're being "ignored" is beyond me. :shrug:

habibko
06-25-2009, 12:33 PM
how are you being ignored? Seriously? This thread is FOUR PAGES LONG.

How much more unignored do you want to be?

Is there something I'm missing here?

I wondered if it was a language issue in terms of "demand" , you have just confirmed it so that's fine. In English, "ask" is considered much more polite than "demand",

As for the rest, I have already addressed the issues you raised, so how you can complain you're being "ignored" is beyond me. :shrug:

I was referring to my demand/ask to review the warning decision, isn't that what you meant?

to explain to you how biased you are being right now, let me recap what happened in this thread:

first that match result thread was closed, I came here and started a thread and in the heat of the moment I used sentences that showed my anger and frustration, by no means are they bashing or personal attacks nor did I intend them to be.

posters came to this thread and supported my complaint, while a few agreed that's it's the right decision, including you scoobs, you also came and supported the decision (which was probably carried out by you anyway).

after a day or two, another mod (Zirco) comes to this thread, and for God knows why reason he decides to show his muscles around (probably trying to show off his new "supermod" powers) and decides to warn me for rude/inappropriate language, a decision he took by himself and probably because of his inexperience since he said he is new to all this, he didn't even bother to comment on the complaint I started this thread for, nor did he show any interest in ANY post of his here about it, he just came to warn me and that's all he was useful for.

then you (scoobs) come later on and defend your mod-friend's decision, saying that I deserve the warning, an obvious question comes to mind: why didn't you warn me about my language when you came and responded at the first page then?, simple, because I didn't deserve one.

but now that this issue has become a mod vs. poster issue, the fact that I deserve it or not doesn't matter anymore, you have to back up the mod, and that's what you are doing right now.


hope this clears up the whole mess for any poster that reads through this thread, I've washed my hands from any mod actions, you guys are deserving of your reputation around here (shown by the members posts in this thread as well) :wavey:

scoobs
06-25-2009, 01:30 PM
Okay fine, have it your way.

I initially let the issue with the way this thread was started go in favour of dealing with the matter you were raising - I was more interested initially in addressing that,

Zirco took a different view when he came to the thread and felt a warning was appropriate. That was his judgement and I completely understand it. I tend to let the mod bashing aspects go by unless they're incredibly blatant in the interests of not making this more of an "us vs them" situation. The fact that the Zirco issued a warning and not me doesn't make it any less valid. Zirco probably assumed that I missed the nasty tone of the opening post and he was right - I focused on the issue being raised and not on the typically rude tone that was being used towards us.

But you know what, you're right, maybe I should just not let these things go, maybe I should rigidly enforce the "no mod bashing" rule. I can certainly do that if that's the way this is going to be.

Aenea
06-25-2009, 02:13 PM
After being on internet boards for several years I learned one thing

Arguing with moderators is like shaking your fist at God - there's nobody there. And if there is, he's not listening. And if he is listening, all you're doing is pissing him off.

:wavey:

Cloudygirl
06-25-2009, 02:22 PM
So in the interest of consistent moderation are all the old match posts going to be closed after a couple of weeks?

That would be great. no more annoying bumps. Thanks mods.

scoobs
06-25-2009, 02:58 PM
So in the interest of consistent moderation are all the old match posts going to be closed after a couple of weeks?

That would be great. no more annoying bumps. Thanks mods.
no - only if they're getting continually bumped for no good reason. there's no inconsistency in leaving old threads open if they're not being posted to anymore.

Zirconek
06-25-2009, 07:37 PM
I've reviewed it and as far as I'm concerned it should stand.
wow, didn't expect that one from you, I thought you had much more experience with moderation and what language is appropriate or not.

oh well, I'm still waiting for Zirco to give me the mods final decision on it, there was nothing wrong with the way I talked and I didn't intend nor did I post anything bashing or personally offending.

I'm not surprised you're surprised with his opinion, since you've been refusing to understand the point. You said something like complaining is a no-no for me, but actually it's you who is acting no-no.
As you don't want to agree with the warning and even can't regret the way you adressed to GM mods, it's also not surprising you will face his opinion as mere corporativism.

Maybe this site should get rid of its moderators. It seems to me that more and more the moderation is done brainlessly.

:rocker2: and then you can create several accounts to play online games - even the ones you're the manager- and disrupt the forum and insult others posters without being bothered. :bigclap:

First of all it's only a warning.

Secondly if someone is asking for feedback on a decision, terms like "WTF is your problem" and "retarded moderation" are unnecessary and not calculated to make me, at least, want to respond favourably.

Thirdly, if someone sends a post at me "demanding" I do something, as you "demanded" this decision be reviewed by the other mods, then that's only likely to be further get my back up.

If people can't start a thread to discuss a mod decision and do it without being quite rude, then as far as I'm concerned, they just shouldn't bother. I'm not asking for exaggerated respect, I'm not that naive, but neither is this a prosecution in a court room with the mods in the dock.

That's why I think the warning should stand. It's not just the words, it's the context.

Fully agrred.

the mafia, unite, will never be defeated:p

lol don't be rude to the mods, but it's ok to be rude to anyone else around!

:confused:


I have the right to demand a review don't I? why should it get your back up? I'm not asking for anything wrong am I? why are you making this sound like habibko vs. the mods?

the mods are not concerned with my complaint anymore, but keep bitching about "rude" attitude and gives out warnings at the slightest hint of "not very polite" language, allow me to say that the mods attitude in this thread has been quite ridiculous and clearly biased, that's what I honestly think :)

I don't care if you lift the warning or not, I'm fed up with all this.

You asked for a review and it was allowed and it's being discussed, but may I say that it's not the regular way. Mods have autonomy to deliver warnings and infractions, we are supposed to have good sense and follow the rules established, if mods abuse the power, their status will be revised. It's not tyranny, also it's not anarchy.

Like already said, it's not like we don't care and you are having a lot of attention. You're also distracting the mods from their regular work of helping the forum with their usual tasks. The feedback is welcome and necessary, but it's not exactly what we are having here, since you insist saying mods are bad people doing a bad job.

If you don't care about the lift anymore, congrats, finally you can get over it. :yeah:

Zirconek
06-25-2009, 07:39 PM
I was referring to my demand/ask to review the warning decision, isn't that what you meant?

to explain to you how biased you are being right now, let me recap what happened in this thread:

first that match result thread was closed, I came here and started a thread and in the heat of the moment I used sentences that showed my anger and frustration, by no means are they bashing or personal attacks nor did I intend them to be.

posters came to this thread and supported my complaint, while a few agreed that's it's the right decision, including you scoobs, you also came and supported the decision (which was probably carried out by you anyway).

after a day or two, another mod (Zirco) comes to this thread, and for God knows why reason he decides to show his muscles around (probably trying to show off his new "supermod" powers) and decides to warn me for rude/inappropriate language, a decision he took by himself and probably because of his inexperience since he said he is new to all this, he didn't even bother to comment on the complaint I started this thread for, nor did he show any interest in ANY post of his here about it, he just came to warn me and that's all he was useful for.

then you (scoobs) come later on and defend your mod-friend's decision, saying that I deserve the warning, an obvious question comes to mind: why didn't you warn me about my language when you came and responded at the first page then?, simple, because I didn't deserve one.

but now that this issue has become a mod vs. poster issue, the fact that I deserve it or not doesn't matter anymore, you have to back up the mod, and that's what you are doing right now.


hope this clears up the whole mess for any poster that reads through this thread, I've washed my hands from any mod actions, you guys are deserving of your reputation around here (shown by the members posts in this thread as well) :wavey:

:yawn:

Okay fine, have it your way.

I initially let the issue with the way this thread was started go in favour of dealing with the matter you were raising - I was more interested initially in addressing that,

Zirco took a different view when he came to the thread and felt a warning was appropriate. That was his judgement and I completely understand it. I tend to let the mod bashing aspects go by unless they're incredibly blatant in the interests of not making this more of an "us vs them" situation. The fact that the Zirco issued a warning and not me doesn't make it any less valid. Zirco probably assumed that I missed the nasty tone of the opening post and he was right - I focused on the issue being raised and not on the typically rude tone that was being used towards us.

But you know what, you're right, maybe I should just not let these things go, maybe I should rigidly enforce the "no mod bashing" rule. I can certainly do that if that's the way this is going to be.

Ditto :yeah:

Ozone
06-25-2009, 07:46 PM
Habib:worship: If only we had people like you who were mods.

Where are the decisions on the votes for suggested player forums?? And where is our college tennis forum? Everyone who posted in that thread wanted one

habibko
06-25-2009, 07:54 PM
Habib:worship: If only we had people like you who were mods.

thanks, I've been a mod in other forums (Anime/Games) for a long time so I know what I'm talking about, just look at Zirco's responses above :help:

Ozone
06-25-2009, 07:58 PM
Mods should be changed every other year or something like that. Most mods started out ok and now are slack offs. We need to keep fresh mods in and not keep old ones that havent done much.

scoobs
06-25-2009, 08:03 PM
Well since everyone seems to be over it now, this thread can be closed.