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"ITF to crack down on SCREAMERS & GRUNTERS"

Forehander
06-15-2009, 03:56 AM
Source: http://au.sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news/article/-/5652713/itf-crack-screamers

Yahoo!7 - June 15, 2009, 11:45 am

Tennis grunters and screamers have been warned to put on a muzzle on the noise making in the lead up to Wimbledon.

The International Tennis Federation will meet this week to consider giving officials the ability to impose harsh penalties on players - including defaulting the match.


The move to regulate noise levels has come after women's tennis legend Martina Navratilova slammed noisy players as cheaters.

"The grunting has reached an unacceptable level. It is cheating, pure and simple. It is time for something to be done," Navratilova said.

The Times Online also reported she first noticed the issue when playing fellow tennis icon Monica Seles late in her career.

"I couldn't hear the ball. I thought to myself, 'Do I mention it to the umpire, do I say something to her? What should I do?' And Monica was a friend. I had to say something in the end."

Umpires currently have the power to penalise a single point and this week's meeting could see that increased on an increasing scale until a player is forced to default a match.

The 'grunt' issue was most recently to the fore at the French Open. Portuguese teenager Michelle Larcher de Brito clashed with her opponent Aravane Rezai over her screaming while playing a shot.

Wimbledon begins on June 21.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00KaeX28iWa5w/610x.jpghttp://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/jon_wertheim/07/06/cheating.tennis/t1-sharapova.jpg


Will this be a permanent goodbye to their cheating bitch squeals? Lets pray for it.

leng jai
06-15-2009, 04:02 AM
Clearly an intervention which started at MTF.

ghostbear
06-15-2009, 04:07 AM
I don't really mind the grunters, as I rarely watch WTA and none of the male grunters bother me. Fed grunts too, btw, although not as regularly as Nadal does.

ballbasher101
06-15-2009, 04:19 AM
How can you police grunting :confused:. No one likes grunting but we have managed to live with it for so long that it is not much of an issue now. Navratilova is out of control, she really is a loose cannon :mad:,

rofe
06-15-2009, 04:20 AM
I don't really mind the grunters, as I rarely watch WTA and none of the male grunters bother me. Fed grunts too, btw, although not as regularly as Nadal does.

Fed seems to only grunt when he hits a kick serve.

Anyway, I am glad the ITF is taking action. It is unbearable and as Navratilova points out, it can be used to cheat.

finishingmove
06-15-2009, 04:21 AM
Clearly an intervention which started at MTF.

good to know the suits read us.

GlennMirnyi
06-15-2009, 04:22 AM
I was scared for a bit, I thought I was reading the porn forum but thankfully it was MTF.

superslam77
06-15-2009, 04:29 AM
:bigclap:

The year keeps getting better and better !

:D

Funniest and most unpredictable year!!
Dopers are caught, cheaters are stopped, more anti doping controls, surfaces becoming fast again.

This is too good, wake me up i must be dreaming :D

Good Riddance to half of the WTA and to Djoko+Nadull!

MalwareDie
06-15-2009, 04:30 AM
Excellent news. Tennis will be much more civilized without the grunts.

green25814
06-15-2009, 04:31 AM
I was scared for a bit, I thought I was reading the porn forum but thankfully it was MTF.

me too

I was like 'wtf, a bit of screaming or grunting adds to it'

superslam77
06-15-2009, 04:34 AM
Excellent news. Tennis will be much more civilized without the grunts.

I hope they ban tennis ball colored clothing real soon as well.

Have you seen Del Potro,Tsonga,Simon,Nadull and Gonzo's clothing the last few years :rolleyes: ?

straitup
06-15-2009, 04:48 AM
Well I would say they'll only potentially default those who absolutely roar or shriek when they strike the ball and the 5 seconds afterwards. AKA Larcher de Brito and Sharapova.

But really, I don't really think any of the men's grunts are that bad...I mean someone like Nadal has a loud grunt, but it's hard to argue against it when he doesn't do it for periods of a match and on slices and stuff. And because you can see the effort he puts onto the ball.

ballbasher101
06-15-2009, 05:02 AM
They will never be able to enforce the rule in my opinion because some players will argue that the grunting is natural. And also how can you default big players like Sharapova and possibly Nadal :confused:.

R.Federer
06-15-2009, 05:09 AM
How are they going to measure this thing?! This is funny, but the link appears to be legit, so I guess it is for real. How are they going to distinguish an almost-grunt from a wannabe grunter from a bonafide grunt of the pros?!!!! GOod stuff :lol:

Ilovetheblues_86
06-15-2009, 05:11 AM
I must confess, I played some tennis saturday.
And I grunted. Or grant? Grunt?

Even being in the past. I feel guilty...A lot!

MrChopin
06-15-2009, 05:20 AM
Imagine handing a penalty to Djokovic for the point at 2:45...

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Lee
06-15-2009, 05:21 AM
I don't know how umpires can enforce the rule as the gray area is bigger than a tennis court.

Lee
06-15-2009, 05:32 AM
Imagine handing a penalty to Djokovic for the point at 2:45...


Even both players grunt pretty loudly, I can still hear the ball strikes on youtube. :shrug:

FedFan_2007
06-15-2009, 05:38 AM
I don't really have a problem with the grunting in that video since we all know how much effort those guys are putting into the ball.

Forehander
06-15-2009, 05:46 AM
I assume they will calculate the level of grunt by a special gadget measured in decibels (db). Nadal and Sharapova's grunts are at around 100-110 dBs, which is equivalent to a pretty darn loud thunder.

Forehander
06-15-2009, 05:50 AM
People who don't mind crazy grunters obviously are RAFAEL NADAL FAN GIRLS. If you've ever played against one you'll realise how much of an annoyance and a cheat it is. Long time ago they should have already consolidate a rule to restrict them from creating such distraction. I hope this will come true. Now is the grunt, and soon it'll be the time taken between points and coaching in players box . Yep, everything's going against Nadal's ridiculously annoying cheating antics.

Henry Chinaski
06-15-2009, 05:53 AM
Itf sources quoted: 0

credibility of any yahoo story, on the great wibe interwebs, on a scale of 1-100: 4

likelihood that this ift meeting will actually take place: slim

bitter elderly lesbians clutching at straw excuses when defeated by a younger superior oponent: 1

significance to men's tennis either way: 0

oneandonlyhsn
06-15-2009, 06:01 AM
Finally :bigclap: dont normally agree with Navratilova but she is spot on. Lately grunters and screechers are doing it several seconds after striking the ball, it is very distracting.

Forehander
06-15-2009, 06:11 AM
Here's a little bit more:

Source: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25634585-5001023,00.html

Notorious grunters put on notice

By Leo Schlink

June 15, 2009 12:00am

NOTORIOUS tennis grunters have been put on notice on the eve of Wimbledon. Stung into action by Martina Navratilova's call for grunting to be declared a form of cheating, the International Tennis Federation is poised to crack down.

The ITF is now considering broadening the measures officials can take in penalising screeching repeat offenders such as Maria Sharapova.

Umpires already have the power to award a point against grunting players if they are assessed to have hindered their opponents.

Gallery of Top Grunters: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/gallery/0,22056,5029859-5012667,00.html

But now the ITF is weighing up whether to include "noise hindrance" in its code of conduct.

Under the new rule, persistent offenders could be defaulted from a match under a penalty scale which, at first, calls for the docking of points and then games.

Navratilova, winner of a record nine Wimbledon singles crowns, will be delighted if the new rule is mandated.

"I see too many issues that are potentially harmful to the future of the game," she said last week. "Top of the list is grunting, screeching, shrieking, whatever you want to call it. I call it cheating and it's got to stop."

The issue came to a head during the first week of the French Open when Michelle Larcher de Brito argued bitterly with officials over the amount of noise she was making. The Portuguese teenager was warned for her piercing screams and their length.

"The noise extends into the hitting preparation time of her opponent and that creates problems," the ITF's Bill Babcock said.

"The events at Roland Garros have heightened the issue."

Former world No. 1 Sharapova is one of the worst grunters, occasionally topping 100 decibels.

Monica Seles's screech was measured to reach 93 decibels at Wimbledon in 1992. Venus and Serena Williams have hit 90 decibels.

Several male players have also been criticised for the habit.

In 1988, Ivan Lendl complained about Andre Agassi making too much noise when they came up against each other in the US Open.

dodo
06-15-2009, 08:04 AM
Imagine handing a penalty to Djokovic for the point at 2:45...



Nadal should have lost the point for the shot he played at 3:05. Didnt squeal for once. Everyone was shocked, clearly hindered Novak.

dodo
06-15-2009, 08:09 AM
Seriously though, whats the point? The stalling, which CAN be measured and without a doubt IS going on, all the freaking time, never goes punished. Aside from the oh-so-scary "warning".
Only time I have seen a point penalty being awarded was in a Borg (vs Mac?) youtube clip. And it was mostly because he was hassling the umpire. Nowadays, when Roddick inevitably flies off the handle, they take it like the bitches that the are.

Bargearse
06-15-2009, 08:21 AM
How are they going to measure this thing?! This is funny, but the link appears to be legit, so I guess it is for real. How are they going to distinguish an almost-grunt from a wannabe grunter from a bonafide grunt of the pros?!!!! GOod stuff :lol:

Here are a couple of excerpts from the Telegraph UK at Wimbledon last year:

"Using a digital sound level meter, The Telegraph recorded maximum decibels of 103.2, louder than a motorcycle or a lawnmower." (Sharapova's shrieks were measured).

Normal conversation is registered at between 60 and 70 decibels and research has shown 115 decibels exceeds the human pain threshold.

There is a risk of hearing loss when noise is sustained at more than 90 decibels.

Sharapova is known as the noisiest player on the circuit, followed by Serena Williams, at a much lower 88 decibels, and her sister Venus, at 85 decibels, the equivalent of a Harley Davidson."

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I guess the chair umpire should have one of these devices and monitor it. If the grunts, say go past 80 decibels, the player gets a warning. If they do it again, they lose a point, if they do it again, they lose the game. If the do it a 4th time, they get the ol' heave ho!:wavey:

Goldenoldie
06-15-2009, 08:30 AM
yeeeeeessssssss

HeretiC
06-15-2009, 08:38 AM
Soon batear will be introduced and paired with hawkeye.

Ferrero Forever
06-15-2009, 08:46 AM
I can just imagine squealing decibel charts being shown on the tv alongside hawkeye and set statistics.

leng jai
06-15-2009, 09:12 AM
I hope the official umpire's call for this penalty is "Code violation: SHUT THE FUCK UP".

HeretiC
06-15-2009, 09:23 AM
Players will be allowed 3 challenges per set to stop the play and the officials to check the noise from the opponent made on that point.

bokehlicious
06-15-2009, 09:26 AM
Hope they finally get rid of those annoying stupid grunters :yeah:

Bargearse
06-15-2009, 09:43 AM
I can just imagine squealing decibel charts being shown on the tv alongside hawkeye and set statistics.


Absolutely. This could spark a huge rivalry between Sharapova and de Brito to break the record for loudest screams in a match. What a legacy... being remembered for noise pollution instead of their tennis.

A person should be hired to monitor the noise. Call them the noise police. I'd love that job. I would delight in handing out penalties to these screeching fools.

Tutu
06-15-2009, 09:50 AM
Y'all need to fix up, I agree MLDB need to be put down, but the ATP grunts are cool and this is love:

4Gs6WTJExYg

Even if you h8 the WTA and "Dnt fink itz reel tenniz!!11" just listen. :inlove:

martine2
06-15-2009, 10:05 AM
I hope the official umpire's call for this penalty is "Code violation: SHUT THE FUCK UP".

:spit: :lol:

Corswandt
06-15-2009, 10:44 AM
Itf sources quoted: 0

credibility of any yahoo story, on the great wibe interwebs, on a scale of 1-100: 4

likelihood that this ift meeting will actually take place: slim

bitter elderly lesbians clutching at straw excuses when defeated by a younger superior oponent: 1

significance to men's tennis either way: 0

:spit:

whattheheck
06-15-2009, 11:00 AM
It's about time. You can see from videos de Brito and Sharapova do not make noises at all during practice. Obviouisly, they're shouting to mask the sound of the ball. Why don't we put loud speakers on their ears instead? :)

VolandriFan
06-15-2009, 12:37 PM
I certainly hope not. If say for example, Gonzo, Gaston, Ferru, Robredo and Paulo were no longer allowed to grunt, that would take a lot of eroticism excitement out of the game. As long as it's not excessive (read: a distraction), then there should be no issue.

timafi
06-15-2009, 01:17 PM
would be nice if the likes of Sharapova/de Brito and Azarenka could just shut the f up:mad:
that de Brito kid is just:help:

I'm affraid of a de Brito-Azarenka or Azarenka-Sharapova or de Brito-Sharapova,de Brito-Safina or de Brito-Serena Williams match on Center Court at Wimbledon:help:
I got my earplugs already just in case:help: :lol:

HKz
06-15-2009, 01:18 PM
Okay there is HUGE difference when it comes to grunting and screaming. When you have to make noise to hit a drop shot/volley/any feel shot (as in virtually all WTA players) that is screaming. I'm pretty sure you have to scream and use all your strength to hit a 20 MPH shot. Look someone like Nadal/Hewitt/etc is considered grunting. They doesn't do it on 100% of shots (like all WTA players) and definately don't make noise when they are hitting a volley or whatever. So in my opinion, you can't say that you aren't surprised and I'm asking why this wasn't the case a long time ago. Look, if it is to the point where you lose your voice, ahem Venus/Serena/Sharapov/rest of WTA, then I'm pretty sure you ladies are just screaming and are going over the decibles a little too much because it is coming off the TV like that. Seriously, this is one reason I don't watch the WTA even when it is the only thing on TV anymore. Everyone single match has an obnoxious screamer.

Grunting = for power, screaming = to piss your opponents off.

decrepitude
06-15-2009, 01:27 PM
I'm affraid of a de Brito-Azarenka or Azarenka-Sharapova or de Brito-Sharapova,de Brito-Safina or de Brito-Serena Williams match on Center Court at Wimbledon:help:
I got my earplugs already just in case:help: :lol:

I think a fast walk well away from the grounds is the only answer (I'd say drive, but the traffic is slower than walking!)

Frankly I'm terrified that De Brito is playing anywhere in the grounds the day I'm there: I don't think even earplugs could stop that eldritch screech from perforating the eardrums.

out_here_grindin
06-15-2009, 01:31 PM
Will they crackdown on this like they cracked down on the time in between points?

HKz
06-15-2009, 01:38 PM
Everyone calm down. I'm 99% sure these rules won't affect players like Nadal or Djokovic because for a fact they definately do not do it even 90% of the time. I mean if they wanted, they could grunt on a slice for example, but since they don't, I think it reinforces the fact that they are legitimately grunting. The new rule changes are for players mainly on the WTA like de Brito and Sharapova who "scream" on every SINGLE shot even drop shots/volleys/etc, shots that obviously do not use 100% of your strength. I mean even Federer grunts on certain shots like kick serves and heavy topspin groundstrokes, shots that he pushes his body a little more to get that extra spin, so it would totally be uncalled for, unfair and unwise to give penalties to players who obviously do not grunt 100% of the time like all of the WTA. But that video with Djokovic and Nadal shows exactly why a lot of the male grunters should not be affected - they aren't that loud, especially not as these two -

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When your grunt lasts till your opponent hits it, then that is ridiculous. It shouldn't be even called a grunt. Grunting if I'm not mistaken means a short burst of vocal sound. Screaming on the other hand is loud screaching annoying de Brito 10 minutes long sound.

I mean even in bed this would be scary for me at least, not to mention I'd go deaf the first time around.

whattheheck
06-15-2009, 01:48 PM
I certainly hope not. If say for example, Gonzo, Gaston, Ferru, Robredo and Paulo were no longer allowed to grunt, that would take a lot of eroticism excitement out of the game. As long as it's not excessive (read: a distraction), then there should be no issue.

As long as you make sexy low volume grunts, it's OK. :devil:

whattheheck
06-15-2009, 01:52 PM
would be nice if the likes of Sharapova/de Brito and Azarenka could just shut the f up:mad:
that de Brito kid is just:help:

I'm affraid of a de Brito-Azarenka or Azarenka-Sharapova or de Brito-Sharapova,de Brito-Safina or de Brito-Serena Williams match on Center Court at Wimbledon:help:
I got my earplugs already just in case:help: :lol:

I don't think earplugs are enough.:shout::shout::shout::rolls:

cmurray
06-15-2009, 01:52 PM
This is a WTA issue, not an ATP issue. The male players who grunt do so because of exertion and while it may not be polite, it is certainly not distracting. Shriekapova and that Portuguese girl are just flat-out screaming and they're doing it to disrupt their opponent.

case
06-15-2009, 01:53 PM
is this nutty or what? how do you enforce this? does the ITF have a brain or two missing?

grunting is a natural reflex. some might be abusing it but really...

why doesnt someone monitor the whack job ITF. they are in a serious otherworld

tipp
06-15-2009, 02:17 PM
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MatchFederer
06-15-2009, 03:15 PM
^^^

AMAZINGLY FUNNY!

:lol:

jmsx521
06-15-2009, 03:44 PM
If all men get defaulted for grunts that occur naturally to them, then Hanescu will start winning more tournaments.

oranges
06-15-2009, 03:49 PM
Hilarious :lol: They can't implement basic rules such as time violations, but they'll introduce more arbitrary ones just for the fun of it

fast_clay
06-15-2009, 03:58 PM
Itf sources quoted: 0

credibility of any yahoo story, on the great wibe interwebs, on a scale of 1-100: 4

likelihood that this ift meeting will actually take place: slim

bitter elderly lesbians clutching at straw excuses when defeated by a younger superior oponent: 1

significance to men's tennis either way: 0

:spit:

nkp2
06-15-2009, 04:05 PM
The screams on the WTA are ridiculous and the only player I actively have noticed on the men's tour is Nadal. No one else makes as much noise on the ATP as he does TMK. I would hate to play against that. Very off-putting.

Caren
06-15-2009, 04:18 PM
I can totally get why there is an issue being brought to light now, but i would also say that it is WTA problem than an ATP problem. The shrieks from the women's game is nothing short of amazing, in that i am amazed that anyone can shriek that loud, over a long period of time, day in, day out. Its crazy.
Its actually so bad that i refuse to watch the women's game anymore, its ridiculous to think that these women need to shriek so loud when they hit a ball, i mean fair enough every now and again i can see how it can happen but every point of every game, someone needs to step in and change it.

Like its been said before the only person i know off who does it on a regualr occasion is Nadal but it nowhere near as bad as any of the women on the WTA tour.

Mateya
06-15-2009, 05:34 PM
It's about time!

How can you compare Nadal to Sharapova??? There is a huge difference between a normal grunt and a SCREEEEAM which those WTA clownesses make.

Black list of screamers: de Brito, Sharapova, Azarenka,...and Safina lately.
There are probably some more, but I don't know them because I'm an official WTA hater and don't follow it so much.

Gonzalez can sometimes be a bit too loud. Nadal noise isn't so "high".
Can't wait to see de Brito in Wimbledon :help:

recessional
06-15-2009, 05:50 PM
Grunting doesn't bother me as much as shrieking/screaming does. I don't think there's anyone on the ATP who really bothers me, grunting-wise. The WTA is a different story, obviously. But honestly?

I don't care about Sharapova, Larcher de Brito, the Williams sisters, and so on. I just want Azarenka to shut up. :mad:

Forehander
06-15-2009, 06:13 PM
Bullshit. Nadal's grunts are far from acceptable. They are selective and he did it in many matches most notably in 2008 and 2009 Wimbledon Finals. He is well known for his gamesmanship and the grunts is just one of his many tricks to distract opponents.

MalwareDie
06-15-2009, 07:33 PM
Absolute rubbish that people think Mugboar's grunts are acceptable. His grunts are one of the loudest, most disgusting, and each individual grunt of his is one of the longer ones in length than others' grunts.

mangoes
06-15-2009, 09:26 PM
This isn't a problem in the ATP. But, it's time for them to stop this within the WTA world. Sharapova and the lady from this year's FO are beyond annoying.

Leo
06-15-2009, 09:35 PM
They will never be able to enforce the rule in my opinion because some players will argue that the grunting is natural. And also how can you default big players like Sharapova and possibly Nadal :confused:.

This is exactly the problem. 99% of chair umpires in tennis are babies and wussies anyway. They don't regulate players on simple rules like how much time to take between points and illegal coaching, as has been seen in Nadal and Ferrer matches, respectively, for years.

How are they going to regulate this one? Most umps probably won't touch the rule. It's not like the crazy grunting women of the WTA Tour have received point penalties in the past... :confused: And now I'm learning that they always had this ability. The only way to make it enforceable is if they declare a certain decibel level/length of grunt time to be TOO MUCH. (Which may have to happen with obnoxious de Brito.) Oh lord, this sport. :lol:

Leo
06-15-2009, 09:38 PM
Players will be allowed 3 challenges per set to stop the play and the officials to check the noise from the opponent made on that point.
:lol: :haha:

VolandriFan
06-16-2009, 09:27 AM
As long as you make sexy low volume grunts, it's OK. :devil:

And the sounds Fernando and Tommy make when running for dropshots are fine by me too. :drool:

Laba
06-16-2009, 09:48 AM
It it just me or does Gabashvili grunt after he hits his groundstrokes?

Lleyton_
06-16-2009, 12:08 PM
This isn't a problem in the ATP. But, it's time for them to stop this within the WTA world. Sharapova and the lady from this year's FO are beyond annoying.

It IS a problem in the ATP. Most Spaniards and South Americans grunt like wild dogs. I don't want to hear Nadal and Gonzalez scream every time they hit the ball. It's exactly the same as Sharapova or any other female who's been accused.

andylovesaustin
06-16-2009, 12:20 PM
This is exactly the problem. 99% of chair umpires in tennis are babies and wussies anyway. They don't regulate players on simple rules like how much time to take between points and illegal coaching, as has been seen in Nadal and Ferrer matches, respectively, for years.

How are they going to regulate this one? Most umps probably won't touch the rule. It's not like the crazy grunting women of the WTA Tour have received point penalties in the past... :confused: And now I'm learning that they always had this ability. The only way to make it enforceable is if they declare a certain decibel level/length of grunt time to be TOO MUCH. (Which may have to happen with obnoxious de Brito.) Oh lord, this sport. :lol:

True. It would be nice if they consistently enforced the rules they already have in place rather than some players having certain liberties, then some not.

Burrow
06-16-2009, 12:35 PM
Nadal's grunting is ridiculous.

andylovesaustin
06-16-2009, 12:40 PM
Nadal's grunting is ridiculous.

I don't really notice Rafa's grunting, but then again, I'm not the one out there playing him.

But the truth is that if the umpires let him get away with taking too much time between points, for example, then how the heck are they going enforce this "grunting" rule?

I just think it's one more rule to enforce against "lesser" players while giving liberties to the top players. :shrug:

Burrow
06-16-2009, 01:07 PM
It it just me or does Gabashvili grunt after he hits his groundstrokes?

A lot of players exhale after they hit, Mantilla did that quite a bit.

Burrow
06-16-2009, 01:08 PM
I don't really notice Rafa's grunting, but then again, I'm not the one out there playing him.

But the truth is that if the umpires let him get away with taking too much time between points, for example, then how the heck are they going enforce this "grunting" rule?

I just think it's one more rule to enforce against "lesser" players while giving liberties to the top players. :shrug:

Why does it matter if you are playing him? Is your Television on mute constantly?

andylovesaustin
06-16-2009, 01:27 PM
Why does it matter if you are playing him? Is your Television on mute constantly?

Well, I guess if I were playing him, I might be a little bit more annoyed by whatever than simply by watching him.

As a spectator, Raga's grunting doesn't bother me, period. Now, Serena's and Sharapova's shrieking can get a little loud for me even as a spectator. But Rafa's "grunting," no.

It's funny how certain players "habits" like being overly emotional all the way down to their grunting can be bothersome to some fans while not so much to others.;)

Burrow
06-16-2009, 01:30 PM
Rafael Nadal grunts just as loud as Serena.

finishingmove
06-16-2009, 01:33 PM
It it just me or does Gabashvili grunt after he hits his groundstrokes?

it's brainlag

andylovesaustin
06-16-2009, 01:36 PM
Rafael Nadal grunts just as loud as Serena.

Well, to me Serena shrieks sometimes, and I say that as a fan of both the Williams' sisters. I still love her though. Her shrieking has never caused me to be less of a fan. For me, Rafa doesn't shriek, but if he bothers you, so be it.

I guess it would be the same with Rafa's opponents. Some might be bothered by his "grunting," others, not so much.

sammy01
06-16-2009, 01:49 PM
i have no problems with the putting a noise level cap on the grunting for both men and women. most of my favourites haven't grunted and even seles my only fave that grunted was nothing compared to todays noise.

Pfloyd
06-16-2009, 02:18 PM
Oh cry me a fuckin' river.

"The extremely loud grunts bother me"

Two options:

1) Use the MUTE button.
2) Don't go to tennis tournaments in matches which players are known to grunt.

:rolleyes:

andylovesaustin
06-16-2009, 02:35 PM
i have no problems with the putting a noise level cap on the grunting for both men and women. most of my favourites haven't grunted and even seles my only fave that grunted was nothing compared to todays noise.

I just think it's one more rule not to enforce.

Personally, I think it's much ado about nothing, but I guess it's just one more distraction some players prefer not do deal with. I would imagine the noise does bother some players as it does bother some spectators.

dodo
06-16-2009, 04:37 PM
Oh cry me a fuckin' river.

"The extremely loud grunts bother me"

Two options:

1) Use the MUTE button.
2) Don't go to tennis tournaments in matches which players are known to grunt.

:rolleyes:
so youre saying its ok if players act like assbags in a variety of ways (grunting being an example)?
Dont like to watch Nadal digging his ass? close your eyes. Dont like to hear Sharapova moan? cover your ears. Dont like to watch Djokovic bounce the ball 25 times? knock yourself over the head until you lose the ability to count.
or you could, you know, not watch tennis. good plan, sir.

alfonsojose
06-16-2009, 05:50 PM
Larcher De Bitcho, be :scared:

Stensland
06-17-2009, 01:18 PM
ferrer is ridiculous today.

- second round match
- in a second tier grass tournament (halle and queens are first tier)
- he's leading comfortably..
- ...against a player who's a joke on the surface anyways.

-> yet he screams as if someone was hunting him down.

i understand screams and grunts in important matches or during crucial rallies, but this is simply too much. go itf.

Horatius
06-17-2009, 02:01 PM
It's all about how we can make tennis more popular,bla,bla; let's stop what can stop people from watching and making us more money,bla,bla...

gogogirl
06-17-2009, 02:49 PM
Hey All,

Some folks' biases are showing in trying to pin this thing only on the women. Not all WTA players grunt and not all of them do it on every point. Watch some You-Tube. Now granted, I posted a video of a Venus/Maria match over on the WTA board last year - and my God - they were raising the roof in the noise department - so I doubt they were bothering each other with it. LOL!

I'm just sayin'.

Has anyone ever heard a Ferrer-Nadal match. Puuullllllllleeeeeeeeaaaaase. And not only does Rafa grunt when hitting the ball during a point, he grunts when serving. There are numerous fellows that get their grunts on too. Again, check the You Tube.

I agree that the ones that carry sound/noise over after making contact with the ball truly need to tone it down some, but for mild grunting, it should be allowed. Vickie sounds like she stole and picked up her grunt from Maria - so Maria should sue. The young lady that played against the French player at the FO really does need to take a chill pill. She asked the ump if anyone ever told Maria to shut up. LOL!

There will be some funny stuff resulting from this - tis true.

Side note* - IMO - having hawkeye on every court to be FAIR should be much of a bigger issue/story than worrying about most grunters grunting in my opinion. I mean really! Players that play on the third show court and all others don't get the benefit of fair play huh? That rule needs to be changed. One or two bad calls could end up costing someone the match for God sakes - and potentially prohibit he/she from advancing to a later round where he/she would be slated to play a big name that of course has always played on or mos' 'def would play on one of the only two courts that have the challenge system. Tsk-tsk!:rolleyes: