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Weakness in Nadal's game found!!

w78dexon_y
05-15-2009, 07:26 PM
Yes, you've read it right: A weakness!
And that is: TOP SPIN!

How come?
Well, the TOP SPIN together with his physical stamina are Nadal's lethal weapons!

Nadal's TOP SPIN is his TOP GUN. Period.
Everything else is more or less at standards:

-First serve - average to weak
-Second serve - even worse
-Drop shots - weak - he barely use them
-Slices - fair, below top to average
-Net play - not above standard - rarely used
-Forehand and Backhand - ruled and guided by his TOP SPIN; Without use of The TOP SPIN he would barely hit the court
-Groundstrokes: the same as forehand & backhand
-Volley - not bad and not excellent either; again guided by the TOP SPIN
-Mental endurance - lead and guided by his TOP SPIN!

- TOP SPIN - yes! The greatest in the history of the game! Ever! With use of the TOP SPIN, nadal can hit any angles, any lines, any lobs, any corner or square milimeter of the court from any position.!! Moreover: with use of TOP SPIN, Nadal can neutralise any shots, any strokes and any possible traps in combination with his physical stamina.

So, remove anybody's lethal weapon and he becomes a lamb!
This rule has no exception.

So: take Nadal's TOP SPIN away, and he automatically becomes the just above average player. Neutralise Rafa's TOP SPIN and he becomes very vulnerable.

One might say 'yes but it's not easy'. Correct! Not easy at all. BUT, the top guns (Djoker, Murr, Rog) can and have the tools to do that.

So, my advise to Djoker tomorrow*: Neutralise Nadal's TOP SPIN, and you'll roll to the final comfortably! (*this provided that Nando doesn't neutralise Nadal's TOP SPIN in today's match!).

cheers!
________________________

P.S. Sorry for misspelled Nadal's last name. Can't fix it now.

Mateya
05-15-2009, 07:30 PM
:spit:

Roddickominator
05-15-2009, 07:30 PM
Bad thread.

To exploit Rafa's weaknesses you have to use the slice to his backhand....hit flat into his forehand corner....crush his 2nd serve....and just crush the ball in general as often as possible and keep it up all match.

groundstroke
05-15-2009, 07:30 PM
I don't think his top spin is his main power, I think it's his speed and stamina, many, many matches he has beaten Federer and other players just due to him trying harder and being fitter - no talent at all.

salut235
05-15-2009, 07:33 PM
Nadal is more than "topspin". He can slice the ball, flatten the ball, run like crazy, attack the net and volley well, hit incredible angles, great dropshots & lobs, very strong mentally, great return, very consistant serve with a lot of action on it, etc. It's amazing that some people STILL believe that Nadal is not special. Maybe when he wins the grandslam this year, people will start giving him the respect he deserves.

HeretiC
05-15-2009, 07:35 PM
You will be such a star in ACC this year. :rocker:If you last that long. :shrug:

Guga_fan
05-15-2009, 07:36 PM
The weakness in nadal's game is playing Nalbandian, and that's it. :)

anon57
05-15-2009, 07:40 PM
:scratch:Not sure why the pros haven't figured this out yet but surely Nadal's days as #1 are numbered now that the weakness in his game has been found.

Sunset of Age
05-15-2009, 07:41 PM
:scratch:Not sure why the pros haven't figured this out yet but surely Nadal's days as #1 are numbered now that the weakness in his game has been found.

:lol:

HeretiC
05-15-2009, 07:46 PM
:scratch:Not sure why the pros haven't figured this out yet but surely Nadal's days as #1 are numbered now that the weakness in his game has been found.

It is all over. The word is that ATP already plans to strip his #1 ranking as of Monday. :o

LEGENDOFTENNIS
05-15-2009, 07:52 PM
When Federers confident he can crush nadal thats his only weakness - A Confident Federer

HeretiC
05-15-2009, 07:59 PM
When Federers confident he can crush nadal thats his only weakness - A Confident Federer

Have you seen such thing lately? Can it be ordered over internet? Which malls have it? Is it expensive?

Johnny Groove
05-15-2009, 08:01 PM
It seems that analysis of Nadal heavily depends on whether you like his game or not.

Its either "Heavy topspin, awesome mental strength, and fantastic endurance" or "shitt ugly forehand, moonballs, and waiting for the error."

Funny how such drastic conclusions can be drawn from watching the exact same thing.

oranges
05-15-2009, 08:10 PM
I guess all they have to do now is lobby to prohibit topspin :lol:

anon57
05-15-2009, 08:17 PM
I guess all they have to do now is lobby to prohibit topspin :lol::lol:I wonder if that's the reason Federer joined the player's council. He's doesn't seem to have been having much succes getting lefty topspin banned though:p

w78dexon_y
05-15-2009, 08:20 PM
This explains how Djoker played so good against Nadal in MC this year. He mixed short with deep balls, put more and less air underneath of the balls. That neutralise Rafa's TOP SPIN.

Plus Djoko's serve, helped him to take ONE set away! And that set was 2:6!

federernadalfan
05-15-2009, 08:25 PM
uh, at least spell his name right :lol:

feuselino
05-15-2009, 08:27 PM
ACC in the bag for the OP... surface, format, wind, time - doesn't matter. It's over.

w78dexon_y
05-15-2009, 08:29 PM
uh, at least spell his name right :lol:

thnks for the remark. :)
Corrected.

Har-Tru
05-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Do the police know about this?

Har-Tru
05-15-2009, 08:33 PM
thnks for the remark. :)
Corrected.

No it isn't.

w78dexon_y
05-15-2009, 08:34 PM
It seems that analysis of Nadal heavily depends on whether you like his game or not.

Its either "Heavy topspin, awesome mental strength, and fantastic endurance" or "shitt ugly forehand, moonballs, and waiting for the error."

Funny how such drastic conclusions can be drawn from watching the exact same thing.

a very good remark. :worship:

w78dexon_y
05-15-2009, 08:37 PM
Do the police know about this?

???

jonathancrane
05-15-2009, 08:41 PM
Nada's game? O RLY?
Nada de nada?

Qué elemento, cielo santo, qué elemento...

Kiedis
05-15-2009, 08:46 PM
Just after Rome and Monte Carlo Finals

If Rafael Nadal vs. Novak Djokovic isn’t the game’s greatest rivalry, or even a rivalry at all by the standard definition of the word—Nadal currently leads their head-to-head 13-4—this spring it has certainly become the tour’s most absorbing adversarial relationship. The length, breadth, diversity, quality, and even the sound of their rallies; the companionable but full-blooded way they square off against each other; the sight of Nadal’s tolerant smile as Djokovic imitated his most famous and embarrassing on-court mannerism during the trophy ceremony in Rome: These guys were made to play each other. While they haven’t scaled the heights together the way Nadal and Federer have, the Spaniard and the Serb produce more consistently spectacular points. The lack of win-or-die tension in most of their matches to this point—they’ve yet to play a major final—keep both of them loose and swinging from the heels. No one plays more watchable tennis.

Beyond the rallies themselves, what struck me on Sunday was how these two also have come to define a new code of sportsmanship among the men. When Nadal arrived on tour, his previously unseen repertoire of flying fist-pumps rubbed some players and fans the wrong way. They inspired Andy Roddick to play the most bloodthirsty match of his career and demolish him in a night match at the U.S. Open in 2004. Longtime fans schooled in the game’s classic Aussie virtues thought the kid was a cheesy showboat who tried to agitate his opponents by celebrating their errors. After getting to know Nadal a little better, most of us have come to realize that his exhortations are just that: self-directed, self-generated energy boosts, reminders to himself to keep his desire to win, rather than his anxiety about losing, uppermost in his mind.

It’s worked, and it’s spawned two very prominent young imitators in Djokovic and Andy Murray. While those guys allow their frustration to surface more often than Nadal, they’ve also come to see the value of creating a rousing moment of positive emotion after a winning point, rather than just putting their heads down and silently preparing for the next point. In their best matches, Nadal and Djokovic trade full-throated roars, chest slaps, and leaping first-pumps, and neither takes offense. You might prefer the old WASP code of reserved, gentlemanly humility—“act like you’ve been there before”—or you might prefer the pensively concentrated way that Sampras and Federer make their way through a match. I like to see the emotion, personally. What I like even more is the way that, unlike the days of McEnroe and Connors, that emotion is now channeled inside the sport’s traditional definitions of sportsmanship. There’s nothing ugly or antagonistic about what Nadal or Djokovic do. When they aren’t slapping themselves in the chest, they’re apologizing to each other for net cords, mishits, and pretty much anything else out of the ordinary that happens. Yesterday, Djokovic put his hand up to Nadal to say he was sorry for grunting too long after he hit a backhand. This kind of back and forth, both the fiery and the polite, is a timely and refreshing update in the way tennis is conducted. You no longer have to be an Australian from the 1950s to know how to play the game properly.

As far as yesterday’s match, I didn’t see anything to make me think Djokovic is any closer to solving the eternal riddle of Nadal on clay. He did break the Spaniard twice when he was serving for the first set, but when it was really up for grabs, in the tiebreaker, it was Djokovic who broke down. Nadal, at the most basic level, forces Djokovic to hit his favorite shots, the down-the-line forehand and backhand, from a little wider, a little deeper, and a little out of his strike zone. Djokovic is right to keep going for these shots. The alternative is to keep rallying crosscourt with Nadal, a suicide mission if there ever was one. And the Serb can hit those high-risk shots for winners. He just hasn’t shown that he can hit them for winners for two full sets. Let alone three.

You’ve heard me mention the last few weeks that it’s been a struggle to find new ways to talk about Nadal. So let me reach back and repackage a few old observations of mine about what he does well, most of which haven’t appeared here. We spend a lot of time talking about the guy's grit and desire and cussedness and even his appearance—I’ve brought his eyebrows into the discussion and Pete Bodo spent a post talking about his sleeves. Pete lamented that Rafa’s new look had changed him from an intimidating muscle car to a safe and conventional Volvo. To which I can only say that every Saturday as a kid I used to see a doctor who lived up the hill from us burn down our street at twice the speed limit in his sharp-featured, dark-green, Modish, mid-60s Volvo sedan. I've never thought that cars came any cooler than that.

Anyway, the point is that we don’t read a lot of specifics about what the No. 1 player in the world does tactically and technically to separate himself from the pack. So for those of you like me who are dusting off their racquets and checking to see if the nets are up yet, here are six lessons from the best to start the playing season.

1. Serve
Early in his career, Nadal’s serve was a liability. He used a stiff, abbreviated motion that produced little pace or bite. He’s tinkered with his delivery in the years since and upped its velocity. More important, his limited ability to produce 130-m.p.h. bombs has forced him to develop two other serving strengths: accuracy and the element of surprise. We know that Nadal takes his time setting up to serve. Part of this may stem from the fact that he can’t step to the line and count on an ace. He relies on placement and variety, which need to be thought out.

The result is that Nadal hits to more targets with regularity than his opponents. Where most players either go wide, into the body, or down the T, Nadal aims for more specific spots. He may go down the T three straight times, but rather than mixing it up by going wide on the next one, he’ll mix it up by aiming 2 feet inside the T, at his opponent’s hip, and with a little extra pace. The same goes when he serves wide in the ad court. Nadal’s accuracy makes it difficult for his opponents to guess where the ball is going.

In last year’s French Open final, Nadal served virtually every ball to Federer’s backhand. In the Wimbledon final, he changed spots much more often. Nadal doesn’t use variety for its own sake; he’s happy spinning the ball into his opponent’s backhand every time, if that’s what’s working. One advantage to this tactic is that late in a match it allows him to ambush his opponent on a crucial point in the ad court by firing a flat ball down the T.

Unfortunately, I can only point out the tactic. You have to learn to hit those targets yourself.

Lessons: (1) Even without natural power on your serve, you can be just as effective by concentrating on accuracy and hitting very specific targets. (2) Don't be afraid to be predictable with it; make your opponent prove he can handle a certain serve before you decide to mix it up. Variety is never an end in itself.

2. Return
As with the serve, Nadal’s return doesn’t appear to be one of his strengths at first glance. He’s often forced to take his second hand off his backhand and slice back a high floater, which immediately puts him on the defensive. But again, Nadal makes up for that weakness with his return tactics.

Nowhere was this more apparent than in his second-round match at Wimbledon in 2008 against Ernests Gulbis. Nadal lost the first set 7-5 in large part because of Gulbis’ ability to consistently fire first serves in the 120-–130-m.p.h. range. At the start of the second set, Nadal took a couple of big steps backward, giving himself an extra millisecond to react on his return. He won the next three sets. Afterward, Gulbis said he had been thrown off by a change in Nadal’s tactics, but couldn’t figure out what the Spaniard was doing differently.

And unlike, say, James Blake, you’ll almost never see Nadal go for an outright winner on his return. He knows that, with few players following their serves to the net, he can be just as offensive, and much safer, hitting a high topspin forehand into his opponent’s backhand side and working his way into the point from there.

Lessons: (1) Always evaluate your return position—if nothing else, this will keep your mind working, and not worrying—and don’t be afraid to change it mid-match. (2) Never try for an outright winner on your return. Start by getting the ball back in play to your opponent's weaker side. The goal should be to neutralize the serve and work to create a higher-percentage shot before you pull the trigger.

3. Volley
Nadal is no net-rusher in singles, which may come as a surprise to anyone who has seen him play doubles. There he puts his aggressive instincts on display, relishing the close-range volley battles that doubles produces.

But those instincts still serve him well in singles. Nadal typically comes to the net after hitting a strong approach and getting his opponent on the run. This allows him to take most of his volleys from an offensive position and above net level. The key for him is to put the ball away immediately and not let his opponent get a crack at a pass. Nadal takes care of this in two ways. First, he keeps his volley stroke extraordinarily simple; rather than a “punch,” which is what a player is taught to think when he hits a volley, Nadal, particularly on his forehand side, pares it down even more. He essentially taps the ball into the open court.

Nadal brings his racquet all the way up, until it’s almost perpendicular with the surface, so he can hit down on the ball. He knows he’s not a power volleyer and that if he’s at the net, his opponent is typically out of position, so he concentrates on using sharp, short angles that keep the ball out of the others guy’s reach

Lessons: (1) Think control, rather than pace, on your volleys. (2) Keep your take-back as short as possible. (3) Use sharp angles whenever you can to keep your opponent from getting a second or third look at a pass.

4. Backhand
One reason Nadal won Wimbledon last year was his improved backhand. He flattened it out and used it as a weapon. For the most part, though, it remains a rally shot, one that helps him set up his vaunted forehand. Still, as time has gone on, Nadal, with his usual tinkering, has found ways to throw off his opponents by changing spin, speed, and depth with his backhand.

“It’s tough,” Sam Querrey said after losing to Nadal at the U.S. Open last fall, “because he gives you that chip and he almost tempts you to come in. . . . He’s kind of just edging you on a little bit. It’s tough to deal with.” Querrey was referring to how Nadal takes the air out of a hard-hit ball by gently slicing it back in the vicinity of the service line. It forces his opponent to deal with a new spin and hit up on the ball, as well as making him hesitate before deciding whether to come in or not. Nadal knows he’s good enough to track down nearly any approach, and if it isn’t perfect, to send back a passing shot.

[B]Lessons: (1) Be willing to mix up not only the direction of your ground strokes—i.e., crosscourt or down the line—but also their depth. (2) A low, short slice may not be an aggressive play, but it’s an uncomfortable shot for your opponent to deal with.

5. Drop Shot
For a bruiser, Nadal has a first-class touch game. He has great hands at net and on drop shots, but it’s the way he uses his touch game that makes it so consistent and effective.

Nadal has two types of drop shots. The first is a change of pace that comes in the middle of a rally. He’ll slice severely under his backhand and land the ball short, but not because he thinks he can win the point outright with it. Instead, he gives it plenty of clearance over the net and follows it forward. His opponent is forced to hit up on the ball and Nadal is there to intercept it with a volley into the open court.

Nadal uses a different type of drop shot when he has the advantage in a rally and is hitting from well inside the baseline. On those occasions, he’ll often get in position for a forehand, come under it at the last second, and drop it without too much spin into the center of the service box for a winner.

As with his serve, return, and volley, the key to Nadal’s drop shot is its safety. Yes, he has great touch, but the other reason he rarely misses this shot is that, first and foremost, he makes sure the ball clears the net. Unlike Andy Murray, who in the past has gone to the drop-shot well too often, Nadal tries to win a point with his drop only when he can do it without having to make the shot a spectacular one.

Lessons: (1) The first step to hitting an effective drop shot is clearing the net. (2) If you have your opponent scrambling, follow your drop shot all the way in so you can cut off his floating reply. (3) Only try to win a point outright with a drop shot when you don’t have to be spectacular with it.

6. Mind Game
We’ve heard and read a lot about Nadal’s mental strengths. But last week at work TENNIS Magazine’s editor, James Martin, and I watched him celebrate after winning an early round match in Rome—he looked like he couldn’t possibly have been any happier. We agreed that we’d never seen any player show so much so joy in winning with such regularity. This outlook must contribute to Nadal's ability to keep winning match after match and tournament after tournament on clay. He never lets winning feel routine, like a job. He rewards himself with a little reveling, no matter who he’s beaten or what round it is.

Whether Nadal thinks of it this way or not, his post-match revelry is another reminder to himself of why he’s out there. As I said before here, his fist-pumps and vamoses are a way of keeping his desire to win tangible—something he can always feel—and aspirational, rather than a given. Note that he doesn't just do this after breaking serve or drilling an impossible winner. At one point against Djokovic, Nadal was down 15-30 on his serve, and a tiny momentum shift toward his opponent seemed possible. Nadal won the next point with a service winner. When Djokovic's return landed wide, the Spaniard let out a short, scratchy, but easily audible vamos, while adding a truncated but determined fist-pump. Nadal hadn't just won a point, he'd made that point seem important to everyone in the arena, including himself and his opponent. He eventually held.

Nadal approaches each match as if winning it is a new goal line to cross, rather than something to be afraid of losing. In this sense, he’s like Michael Jordan, who set out to prove himself again every day. But Nadal's ambition isn’t as hard-edged as Jordan’s. Rafa doesn’t want to embarrass his opponent (unless, perhaps, his name is Soderling); he wants more than anything to feel that addictive sense of joy and relief that we all feel every time we win a tennis match. Allowing himself to soak that feeling in for a second gives him one more reason to try his absolute best to make it happen. I said earlier that the old-school way to win has always been to act like you’ve been there before. Nadal has successfully turned that on its head. He wins by acting like he’s never been there before.

The Rafa Rules by Steve Tignor (http://tennisworld.typepad.com/thewrap/2009/05/the-rafa-rules.html)

Snowwy
05-15-2009, 08:46 PM
What does this thread even mean?

StanisKing
05-15-2009, 08:50 PM
What does this thread even mean?

That's really clever question.

born_on_clay
05-15-2009, 08:53 PM
You're sugesting to tak Rafa's Top Spin away. Sure. Take Federer's racket away and Djokovic's shoes and lets play some good tennis
You're so funny

cmurray
05-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Dear OP,

I'm going to assume that this is not an attempt at trolling and that you are simply talking out of your nethers. And because I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, I am going to respond in a way which suggest that you actually believe what you've written.

You said the key to beating Nadal is "taking away his topspin". You DO realize that Nadal's topspin has no dependence on what his opponent does, right? He hits topspin regardless of what his opponents do. Whether they can HANDLE it or not is another matter. The only way you could "take" topspin from Nadal would be to like...break his left arm or something.

Back to the drawing board.

superslam77
05-15-2009, 09:45 PM
play everything indoors so nadull will hit the roof everytime :P

PiggyGotRoasted
05-15-2009, 09:52 PM
How to beat nadal on clay :
Moonball back and forth with him, until he hits a slightly short ball then murder it.

This is Sparta
05-15-2009, 09:55 PM
How to beat nadal on clay :
Moonball back and forth with him, until he hits a slightly short ball then murder it.

Then Murray should have beaten him on clay :rolleyes:

PiggyGotRoasted
05-15-2009, 09:58 PM
Then Murray should have beaten him on clay :rolleyes:

He failed on the murder it part.

Although he didnt do that bad in the second set

w78dexon_y
05-15-2009, 10:01 PM
Dear OP,

You said the key to beating Nadal is "taking away his topspin". You DO realize that Nadal's topspin has no dependence on what his opponent does, right?
Wrong!
The opponent's doing CAN neutralise NADAL'S top spin.


He hits topspin regardless of what his opponents do. Whether they can HANDLE it or not is another matter. The only way you could "take" topspin from Nadal would be to like...break his left arm or something...

WRONG again!
Djoker can do that. He already did it in MC and Rome.
now read this:

This explains how Djoker played so good against Nadal in MC this year. He mixed short with deep balls, put more and less air underneath of the balls. That neutralised Rafa's TOP SPIN.

Plus Djoko's serve, helped him to take ONE set away! And that set was 2:6!

P.S. Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt

oranges
05-15-2009, 10:21 PM
^^ :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

Sunset of Age
05-15-2009, 10:24 PM
^^ :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
+1 :worship:

w78dexon_y
05-15-2009, 11:04 PM
Some posters think that I don't know what I am talking about. For instance:

Dear OP,
You DO realize that Nadal's topspin has no dependence on what his opponent does, right? He hits topspin regardless of what his opponents do. Whether they can HANDLE it or not is another matter. The only way you could "take" topspin from Nadal would be to like...break his left arm or something.

Back to the drawing board.

You're sugesting to tak Rafa's Top Spin away. Sure. Take Federer's racket away and Djokovic's shoes and lets play some good tennis
You're so funny

Have you guys played tennis before? Or at least watched?
Anything could be "taken away" (or "neutralized" in the given context). Even somebody's serve can be neutralized/ taken away!! Ask around if you don't believe me.

So, as for Nadal's TOP SPIN:

to apply/exert heavy TOP SPIN one needs time. Which means slow surface! And that's clay. So, on clay Rafa has enough time to run to the spot on time, prepare himself, and apply heavy TOP SPIN. As simple as that.

While on hard court/fast surfaces that amont of time is taken away. So, this explains what I said in my OP, plus also explains why Rafa does so great on clay, yet he is not as good on fast surfaces.

Now, in the light of the above analysys, I can say that by taking his time away, you can neutralize/take away anybody's (this includes Nadal too) heavy TOP SPIN.

How to take the time away? Well, there's a lot of different methods. I will put only few in here:

- taking a ball on the raise
- mixed shots: short/long shots; more or less air underneath
- drop shots combined with lobs
- unpredictable serve

These are methods that Djoker CAN and DID applied already.
___________

ANNEX: the emphasyze is on "heavy" top spin. Please differ this from just any top spins, since Rafa's weapn is HEAVY top spin, and light one doesn't do the job.

Sunset of Age
05-15-2009, 11:06 PM
Some posters think that I don't know what I am talking about.

I don't just think that. I know for sure. :)

Mint Chip
05-15-2009, 11:10 PM
Moonball deep to Nadull's forehand and he will miss.Meathead today moonballed to Nadulls forehand once and Nadal missed by meters.Use angles and moonballs and that should cover it :yeah:

Rafattack
05-15-2009, 11:23 PM
Rafa's only weakness is one within - one which has unfortunately already been identified and one too that only Rafa himself can have any control of; the knees. Nothing can exploit such a weakness apart from Rafa himself and it is only the king who exploits; the king never gets exploited - by any player or any surface... The King Rules Them All!

batavlada
05-15-2009, 11:24 PM
How to take the time away? Well, there's a lot of different methods. I will put only few in here:

- taking a ball on the raise
- mixed shots: short/long shots; more or less air underneath
- drop shots combined with lobs
- unpredictable serve



Do you played tennis with any advanced/professional ever? Do you really think that this can be used against any pro? I mean anyone that IS on ATP.

Taking a ball on a rise - sure, if you playing with someone that shot ball at 50 kph. Not 120.
Mixed shots - that can only take Rafa opponent into 3 digits UE.
Drop shots combined with lobs - can be done max 5 times during a match.
Unpredictable serve - Rafa does not know what that mean.


C'mon.. Cool down, PLEASE.

finishingmove
05-15-2009, 11:25 PM
edit the title, it's hurting my eyes

FedFan_2007
05-15-2009, 11:27 PM
He has best passing shots in the game, particularly backhand up the line or cross court he can flatten it out real well. Also his primary weapon is not the topspin so much as his best-ever movement on clay.

oranges
05-15-2009, 11:27 PM
w78dexon, make sure to text all those instruction to Djoker before the semi, it can't fail. If only he knew that before.

batavlada
05-15-2009, 11:31 PM
edit the title, it's hurting my eyes

Best thing is that I never saw it. Now, even deleting means nothing. Pain remain. Neki klinac. Totalna ložana.

«Ivan»
05-15-2009, 11:40 PM
Wrong!
The opponent's doing CAN neutralise NADAL'S top spin.




WRONG again!
Djoker can do that. He already did it in MC and Rome.
now read this:



P.S. Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt

:kiss: my dearest stud.where's brain this night?

marvin0211
05-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Weakness in Nada's game? who is Nada:o


Anyway nada in spanish means nothing right?

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:07 AM
Weakness in Nada's game? who is Nada:o


Anyway nada in spanish means nothing right?

I do not speak Spanish. No a single word. I have apologized for making spelling error in my thread. (read my OP). BTW, if he can be RAFA, and Djokovic can be Djoko, why Nadal can't be Nada just in one place. You've seen the rest of my posts, it was always Rafa or Nadal.

(I am not moderator, I cannot edit thread title). Sorry.

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:14 AM
edit the title, it's hurting my eyes

do not know how? Seriously, pls help. Thnks.

Har-Tru
05-16-2009, 12:30 AM
do not know how? Seriously, pls help. Thnks.

oh it's easy. just click on "user CP" and then on "cancel account".

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:34 AM
oh it's easy. just click on "user CP" and then on "cancel account".

:devil: eh...you can hope only.

scoobs
05-16-2009, 12:36 AM
You can edit the thread title either by editing the first post of the thread. Or in the list of threads, if you find a thread you started, if you double click in the box that contains your thread title, it will give you an edit option.

HeretiC
05-16-2009, 12:47 AM
oh it's easy. just click on "user CP" and then on "cancel account".

That. :yeah:

jmf07
05-16-2009, 01:05 AM
I still cannot find a weakness for w78dexon_y in ACC.

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 01:19 AM
You can edit the thread title either by editing the first post of the thread. Or in the list of threads, if you find a thread you started, if you double click in the box that contains your thread title, it will give you an edit option.

thanks for the help. :yeah:

fred perry
05-16-2009, 01:29 AM
a weakness in this thread has been found....in the first post. :wavey:

bobbynorwich
05-16-2009, 01:47 AM
:scratch:Not sure why the pros haven't figured this out yet but surely Nadal's days as #1 are numbered now that the weakness in his game has been found.


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Dear OP,

You said the key to beating Nadal is "taking away his topspin". You DO realize that Nadal's topspin has no dependence on what his opponent does, right? He hits topspin regardless of what his opponents do. Whether they can HANDLE it or not is another matter. The only way you could "take" topspin from Nadal would be to like...break his left arm or something.

Back to the drawing board.



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GlennMirnyi
05-16-2009, 01:52 AM
Give Nadull a wooden racket and he wouldn't beat 40 year-old amateurs.

vamosinator
05-16-2009, 01:52 AM
I found a weakness in Nadal's game too. Playing at high altitude in Madrid. Good news: everyone else plays worse in Madrid than Nadal anyway.

GlennMirnyi
05-16-2009, 01:53 AM
oh it's easy. just click on "user CP" and then on "cancel account".

:lol:

That was actually a good idea.

Sapeod
05-16-2009, 02:57 AM
oh it's easy. just click on "user CP" and then on "cancel account".
:lol: Great idea :lol:

why,marat,why?
05-16-2009, 03:57 AM
Honestly the dumbest thread I have ever seen.

habibko
05-16-2009, 04:36 AM
http://images.snurkle.net/d/32191-1/unsee.jpg

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 04:39 AM
I found a weakness in Nadal's game too. Playing at high altitude in Madrid. Good news: everyone else plays worse in Madrid than Nadal anyway.

everyone? Premature conclusion. Wait till final.

Arkulari
05-16-2009, 04:49 AM
http://images.snurkle.net/d/32191-1/unsee.jpg

i can killz OP? :lol:

peterparker
05-16-2009, 05:43 AM
Yes, you've read it right: A weakness!
And that is: TOP SPIN!

How come?
Well, the TOP SPIN together with his physical stamina are Nadal's lethal weapons!

Nadal's TOP SPIN is his TOP GUN. Period.
Everything else is more or less at standards:

-First serve - average to weak
-Second serve - even worse
-Drop shots - weak - he barely use them
-Slices - fair, below top to average
-Net play - not above standard - rarely used
-Forehand and Backhand - ruled and guided by his TOP SPIN; Without use of The TOP SPIN he would barely hit the court
-Groundstrokes: the same as forehand & backhand
-Volley - not bad and not excellent either; again guided by the TOP SPIN
-Mental endurance - lead and guided by his TOP SPIN!

- TOP SPIN - yes! The greatest in the history of the game! Ever! With use of the TOP SPIN, nadal can hit any angles, any lines, any lobs, any corner or square milimeter of the court from any position.!! Moreover: with use of TOP SPIN, Nadal can neutralise any shots, any strokes and any possible traps in combination with his physical stamina.

So, remove anybody's lethal weapon and he becomes a lamb!
This rule has no exception.

So: take Nadal's TOP SPIN away, and he automatically becomes the just above average player. Neutralise Rafa's TOP SPIN and he becomes very vulnerable.

One might say 'yes but it's not easy'. Correct! Not easy at all. BUT, the top guns (Djoker, Murr, Rog) can and have the tools to do that.

So, my advise to Djoker tomorrow*: Neutralise Nadal's TOP SPIN, and you'll roll to the final comfortably! (*this provided that Nando doesn't neutralise Nadal's TOP SPIN in today's match!).

cheers!
________________________

P.S. Sorry for misspelled Nadal's last name. Can't fix it now.


great post. You should go into advertising! :)

johnny_dhk
05-16-2009, 08:04 AM
There's only one weaknees in Nadal's game- that he doesn't know how to lose, especially against Federina.

Har-Tru
05-16-2009, 09:19 AM
http://images.snurkle.net/d/32191-1/unsee.jpg

It's not "I want" but "me wantz". Honestly, the level of command of the English language on these forums is appalling.

Commander Data
05-16-2009, 09:32 AM
Yes, you've read it right: A weakness!
And that is: TOP SPIN!

How come?
Well, the TOP SPIN together with his physical stamina are Nadal's lethal weapons!

Nadal's TOP SPIN is his TOP GUN. Period.
Everything else is more or less at standards:

-First serve - average to weak
-Second serve - even worse
-Drop shots - weak - he barely use them
-Slices - fair, below top to average
-Net play - not above standard - rarely used
-Forehand and Backhand - ruled and guided by his TOP SPIN; Without use of The TOP SPIN he would barely hit the court
-Groundstrokes: the same as forehand & backhand
-Volley - not bad and not excellent either; again guided by the TOP SPIN
-Mental endurance - lead and guided by his TOP SPIN!

- TOP SPIN - yes! The greatest in the history of the game! Ever! With use of the TOP SPIN, nadal can hit any angles, any lines, any lobs, any corner or square milimeter of the court from any position.!! Moreover: with use of TOP SPIN, Nadal can neutralise any shots, any strokes and any possible traps in combination with his physical stamina.

So, remove anybody's lethal weapon and he becomes a lamb!
This rule has no exception.

So: take Nadal's TOP SPIN away, and he automatically becomes the just above average player. Neutralise Rafa's TOP SPIN and he becomes very vulnerable.

One might say 'yes but it's not easy'. Correct! Not easy at all. BUT, the top guns (Djoker, Murr, Rog) can and have the tools to do that.

So, my advise to Djoker tomorrow*: Neutralise Nadal's TOP SPIN, and you'll roll to the final comfortably! (*this provided that Nando doesn't neutralise Nadal's TOP SPIN in today's match!).

cheers!
________________________

P.S. Sorry for misspelled Nadal's last name. Can't fix it now.

Federer's coaching spot is open. You might want to apply.

StanisKing
05-16-2009, 09:41 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the thread starter is Srdjan himself :)

TennisViewer531
05-16-2009, 10:09 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the thread starter is Srdjan himself :)

nice one! :D

Sunset of Age
05-16-2009, 12:08 PM
oh it's easy. just click on "user CP" and then on "cancel account".

:haha: Couldn't goodrep you again, but consider yourself as such.

Tom_Bombadil
05-16-2009, 12:13 PM
How funny is the poster. The most funny thing is that he is talking seriously.

Remember: if Rafa has no TOP SPIN he can be easily defeated. Cause the TOP SPIN is his weapon. Erradicate the TOP SPIN from his game and he will be defeated. Also, at the last point, when you have tiple break points for the match, concentrate and use all of your energy to generate a super TOP SPIN who wins the point. That way the defeat will be devastating for his mind and he'll begin to cry on the court like a child. He will go down mentally and never recover from that, so we can say he was TOP SPINned and his career is over.

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 01:40 PM
Federer's coaching spot is open. You might want to apply.

I do not coach arroogant guys with no style, no class, with poor personality, and with no future.