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Predict 8 man field for London`s WTF [YE Masters]...

CmonAussie
05-06-2009, 04:46 PM
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London gets the chance to host the `tournament formerly known as the Masters Cup` in November:devil:
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So who will be in the field for the elite WTF tourney:wavey:

1 Federer (SUI) 8 640 (ATP_rk : 1)
2 Nadal (ESP) 7 425 (ATP_rk : 3)
3 Murray (GBR) 5 860 (ATP_rk : 2)
4 Djokovic (SRB) 4 840 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 4)
5 Roddick (USA) 4 310 (ATP_rk : 5)
6 Del Potro (ARG) 3 805 (ATP_rk : 6)
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 405 (ATP_rk : 10)
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 2 195 (ATP_rk : 11)
9 Söderling (SWE) 2 120 (ATP_rk : 12)
10 Davydenko (RUS) 2 065 (ATP_rk : 8)
11 Tsonga (FRA) 1 910 (ATP_rk : 7)
12 Robredo (ESP) 1 725 (ATP_rk : 15)
13 Haas (GER) 1 690 (ATP_rk : 21)
14 Ferrer (ESP) 1 690 (ATP_rk : 19)
15 Stepanek (CZE) 1 665 (ATP_rk : 16)
16 Simon (FRA) 1 595 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 9)
17 Cilic (CRO) 1 535 (ATP_rk : 17)
18 Wawrinka (SUI) 1 385 (ATP_rk : 20)
19 Monfils (FRA) 1 295 (ATP_rk : 13)
20 Hewitt (AUS) 1 285 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 32)
21 Berdych (CZE) 1 280 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 18)
22 Ferrero (ESP) 1 270 (ATP_rk : 25)
23 Querrey (USA) 1 150 (+ 2) (ATP_rk : 23)
24 Almagro (ESP) 1 125 (ATP_rk : 33)
25 Kohlschreiber (GER) 1 075 (ATP_rk : 24)


...
Gonzalez, Davydenko, Simon, Ferrer, and Monfils..
Love to see Hewitt make it but prob beyond him..

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What do you think:confused:

asmazif
05-06-2009, 04:48 PM
Lee.

Johnny Groove
05-06-2009, 04:49 PM
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Murray
4. Federer
5. JDMP
6. Roddick
7. Verdasco
8. Tsonga

rafa_maniac
05-06-2009, 04:54 PM
Davydenko, Simon, Ferrer, Gulbis, Del Potro, Nalbandian are other possibilities..

:tape:

Xavidbz
05-06-2009, 04:55 PM
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Murray
5. Delpo
6. Verdasco
7. Roddick
8. Gasquet

CmonAussie
05-06-2009, 04:57 PM
:tape:

ok i changed it:devil:

pica_pica
05-06-2009, 05:23 PM
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Murray
5. Del Potro
6. Roddick
7. Verdasco
8. Cilic

GlennMirnyi
05-06-2009, 05:28 PM
Bellucci
Vassallo-Arguello
Granollers
Minar
C. Rochus
Labadze
Baghdatis
Mahut

habibko
05-06-2009, 05:32 PM
1- Nadal
2- Federer
3- Murray
4- Djokovic
5- Roddick
6- Davydenko
7- Del Potro
8- Verdasco


would love to see Nalbandian or Tsonga making it again instead of Del Pony or FeVer.

BaselineSmash
05-06-2009, 05:54 PM
1. Nadal (makes the trip despite dodgy knees)
2. Djokovic (a lot of cloudy days allow him to rack up wins and be Rafa's deputy)
3. Federer (makes waves in Basel)
4. Murray (still looking for answers at end of year)
5. Gulbis (Wimbledon finalist)
6. Roddick (found his muse and in the groove)
7. Dimitrov (teen prodigy more in the mould of a Becker than a Chang)
8. Bogomolov Jr.(ATP realises their mistake in rankings calculations, Gilles Simon replaces Alex)

Deivid23
05-06-2009, 06:01 PM
~€¬|@#~€¬|@#

Nadal
Murray
Djokovic
Federer
Roddick
Verdasco
Del Potro
Cilic

~€¬|@#~€¬|@#

Xristos
05-06-2009, 06:06 PM
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Murray
4. Federer
5. JDMP
6. Roddick
7. Verdasco
8. Tsonga

Seems spot on to me.

Ouragan
05-06-2009, 07:52 PM
London's "What The Fuck" tournament. I like it. Cool Britannia as always.

heya
05-06-2009, 10:35 PM
You forgot that Roddick retired from tennis long time ago. Hopefully, the cheating idiot linesmen and umpires will help Tsonga and Federer.

EnriqueIG8
05-06-2009, 10:42 PM
1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Roddick
6. Del Potro
7. Verdasco
8. Tsonga

Lee
05-06-2009, 10:45 PM
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London gets the chance to host the `tournament formerly known as the Masters Cup` in November:devil:
***
So who will be in the field for the elite WTF tourney:wavey:

1. Nadal [no brainer]
2. Murray [no brainer]
3. Djokovic [no brainer]
4. Federer [should get there]
5. Tsonga [if he`s not injured]
6. Roddick [Mr.Consistent]
7. Verdasco [good bet]
8. Gonzalez [i hope]
...
Davydenko, Simon, Ferrer, Cilic, Monfils, Del Potro, Nalbandian are other possibilities..
Love to see Hewitt make it but prob beyond him..

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What do you think:confused:

With his hip injury? Don't think so.

vidanhv
05-06-2009, 10:49 PM
Bellucci
Vassallo-Arguello
Granollers
Minar
C. Rochus
Labadze
Baghdatis
Mahut
My favorite LOL! The previous one with Cilic was funny as well. I guess:

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Mrray
4. Federer
5. Delpo
6. Verdasco
7. Tsonga
8. Rodick

is the most plausible expectation.

Arkulari
05-06-2009, 11:00 PM
1- Nadal
2- Federer
3- Murray
4- Djokovic
5- Roddick
6- Davydenko
7- Del Potro
8- Verdasco

wenty
05-07-2009, 12:30 AM
1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Del Potro
6. Roddick
7. Verdasco
8. Davydenko/Simon

luie
05-07-2009, 01:39 AM
1-moonballer
2-fed
3-Murray
4-grinder
5-pusher
6-ball basher
7-Serve & pusher
8-fernando "future of tennis" verdasco.

mr_burns
05-07-2009, 04:33 AM
Nadal
Murray
Djokoviv
Federer
Verdasco
Roddick
del Potro
(if no srugery needed and healty in short time) Nalbandina, ir not--
Gonzo


others: Wawrinka, Tsonga

CmonAussie
05-15-2009, 11:17 PM
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I underestimated DelPo, he seems to be a QF & SF specialist... probably he will make the WTF Top-8 again this year.

El Legenda
05-15-2009, 11:25 PM
The Legenda.

finishingmove
05-15-2009, 11:26 PM
yea ljubo was unlucky to play in such a strong era with federer, otherwise he'd be a multiple TMC winner now.

groundstroke
05-15-2009, 11:28 PM
1. nadal
2. federer
3. djokovic
4. murray
5. del potro
6. roboduck
7. verdasco
8. simon

FedFan_2007
05-15-2009, 11:32 PM
1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Del Potro
6. Roddick
7. Verdasco
8. Simon

Tomy
05-15-2009, 11:42 PM
I guess the first 7 players are quite obvious for everyone already... the 8th spot is still uncertain...

Doomach777
05-16-2009, 08:52 AM
The Legenda.

well its possible cause he got nothing to defend after RG!

Certinfy
05-16-2009, 09:15 AM
Can't wait for this as im going there ;)

Anyway:
1. Nadal
2. Murray
3. Djokovic
4. Federer
5. Del Potro
6. Verdasco
7. Roddick
8. Simon

CmonAussie
07-03-2009, 08:49 PM
1 Nadal (ESP) 6 885 (ATP_rk : 1)
2 Federer (SUI) 6 180 (ATP_rk : 2)
3 Murray (GBR) 4 500 (ATP_rk : 3)
4 Djokovic (SRB) 4 060 (ATP_rk : 4)
5 Roddick (USA) 3 160 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 6)
6 Del Potro (ARG) 2 625 (ATP_rk : 5)
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 240 (ATP_rk : 9)
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 1 915 (ATP_rk : 10)
9 Söderling (SWE) 1 830 (ATP_rk : 12)
10 Robredo (ESP) 1 670 (ATP_rk : 14)
11 Tsonga (FRA) 1 540 (ATP_rk : 8)
12 Stepanek (CZE) 1 500 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 21)
13 Haas (GER) 1 455 (+ 13) (ATP_rk : 19)
14 Ferrer (ESP) 1 420 (ATP_rk : 22)
15 Cilic (CRO) 1 350 (ATP_rk : 15)
16 Simon (FRA) 1 325 (ATP_rk : 7)
17 Wawrinka (SUI) 1 265 (ATP_rk : 18)
18 Monfils (FRA) 1 240 (ATP_rk : 13)
19 Davydenko (RUS) 1 065 (ATP_rk : 11)
20 Hewitt (AUS) 1 050 (+ 9) (ATP_rk : 44)
21 Almagro (ESP) 945 (ATP_rk : 42)
22 Ferrero (ESP) 944 (+ 17) (ATP_rk : 37)
23 Berdych (CZE) 935 (ATP_rk : 20)
24 Kohlschreiber (GER) 845 (ATP_rk : 29)
25 Troicki (SRB) 835 (ATP_rk : 31)

Steelq
07-03-2009, 08:51 PM
Robredo is number 10 in the race.Wow...

Ilovetheblues_86
07-03-2009, 11:04 PM
I hope Verdasco out and Gonzalez and Soderking in.

Diprosalic
07-03-2009, 11:40 PM
I hope Verdasco out and Gonzalez and Soderking in.

i just wanted to write that. :)

Arkulari
07-04-2009, 12:16 AM
Toad deserves it more than Nando or Gonzo ;)

Bargearse
07-05-2009, 11:22 AM
Nadal
Federer
Murray
Djokovic
Roddick
Del Potro
Verdasco
Gonzalez

I think Simon and Tsonga are chances, but hitting patches of bad form.

Acer
07-05-2009, 11:24 AM
1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Murray
4. Djokovic
5. Roddic
6. Del Potro
7. Verdasco
8. Tsonga

Goldenoldie
07-05-2009, 12:10 PM
Nadal
Federer
Murray
Djokovic
Roddick
Del Potro
Verdasco
Gonzalez

I think Simon and Tsonga are chances, but hitting patches of bad form.

This is the one I agree with as far as top 8 are concerned, but would put Soderling as closest challenger

CmonAussie
07-05-2009, 06:20 PM
1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Murray
4. Djokovic
5. Roddic
6. Del Potro
7. Verdasco
8. Tsonga

...
Verdasco will have to rediscover his AO form during the American summer~~ if he wants to finish in the top-8..

Ilovetheblues_86
08-02-2009, 11:22 PM
Davydenko has a shot now.
Can Gonzalez, Söderling or Verdasco make it?

Burrow
08-02-2009, 11:23 PM
Soderling is making it.

Sapeod
08-02-2009, 11:24 PM
1. Federer
2. Murray
3. Nadal
4. Djokovic
5. Roddick
6. Davydenko
7. Del Potro
8. Soderling

Look this way anyway.

CmonAussie
08-24-2009, 06:02 AM
1 Federer (SUI) 8 640 (ATP_rk : 1)
2 Nadal (ESP) 7 425 (ATP_rk : 3)
3 Murray (GBR) 5 860 (ATP_rk : 2)
4 Djokovic (SRB) 4 840 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 4)
5 Roddick (USA) 4 310 (ATP_rk : 5)
6 Del Potro (ARG) 3 805 (ATP_rk : 6)
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 405 (ATP_rk : 10)
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 2 195 (ATP_rk : 11)
9 Söderling (SWE) 2 120 (ATP_rk : 12)
10 Davydenko (RUS) 2 065 (ATP_rk : 8)
11 Tsonga (FRA) 1 910 (ATP_rk : 7)
12 Robredo (ESP) 1 725 (ATP_rk : 15)
13 Haas (GER) 1 690 (ATP_rk : 21)
14 Ferrer (ESP) 1 690 (ATP_rk : 19)
15 Stepanek (CZE) 1 665 (ATP_rk : 16)
16 Simon (FRA) 1 595 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 9)
17 Cilic (CRO) 1 535 (ATP_rk : 17)
18 Wawrinka (SUI) 1 385 (ATP_rk : 20)
19 Monfils (FRA) 1 295 (ATP_rk : 13)
20 Hewitt (AUS) 1 285 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 32)
21 Berdych (CZE) 1 280 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 18)
22 Ferrero (ESP) 1 270 (ATP_rk : 25)
23 Querrey (USA) 1 150 (+ 2) (ATP_rk : 23)
24 Almagro (ESP) 1 125 (ATP_rk : 33)
25 Kohlschreiber (GER) 1 075 (ATP_rk : 24)

HKz
08-24-2009, 06:42 AM
LOL @ the guesses especially from the first page.

Elena.
08-24-2009, 11:21 AM
I take these

federer
murray
djokovic
nadal
del potro
roddick
tsonga
soderling

Sunset of Age
08-24-2009, 12:42 PM
I take these

federer
murray
djokovic
nadal
del potro
roddick
tsonga
soderling

That's pretty much my wishlist as well. :)
Only Nadal a bit higher up of course. Bring on the USO! :armed:

HattonWBA
08-24-2009, 02:51 PM
Federer
Murray
Nadal
Djokovic
Potro
Roddick
Davydenko
Gonzalez

ShotmaKer
08-24-2009, 02:56 PM
Federer
Murray
Nadal
Djokovic
Potro
Roddick
Davydenko
Tsonga

Allez-Ollie
08-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Federer
Djokovic
Nadal
Murray
Tsonga
Del Potro
Roddick
Davydenko

Alternate:Simon

ShotmaKer
08-24-2009, 03:32 PM
Federer
Djokovic
Nadal
Murray
Tsonga
Del Potro
Roddick
Davydenko

Alternate:Simon

wow. Tsonga ahead of DelPo and Roddick ? and Djokovic ahead of Nadal and Murray ?

Voo de Mar
08-24-2009, 03:33 PM
Federer
Djokovic
Murray
Nadal
Del Potro
Roddick
Tsonga
Soderling

alt. Verdasco

ShotmaKer
08-24-2009, 03:35 PM
what's with all the Djokovic ahead of Murray and Nadal ? it would take a lot from Djokovic at the open to outdo Nadal and Murray...

rubbERR
08-24-2009, 03:35 PM
Djokovic number two? this is too funny :lol:

stebs
08-24-2009, 04:43 PM
I think they are just predicting the field, not the order.

The top 6 are there already pretty much. It leaves two spots between Verdasco, Gonzalez, Söderling, Davydenko and Tsonga. Anyone else would be a big surprise. It's very tought to call. Tsonga should be strong indoors but Soderling and Davydenko both like those conditions a lot as well plus those three are behind the other two currently so everyone is in with a shot.

ShotmaKer
08-24-2009, 05:54 PM
I think they are just predicting the field, not the order.

The top 6 are there already pretty much. It leaves two spots between Verdasco, Gonzalez, Söderling, Davydenko and Tsonga. Anyone else would be a big surprise. It's very tought to call. Tsonga should be strong indoors but Soderling and Davydenko both like those conditions a lot as well plus those three are behind the other two currently so everyone is in with a shot.

that would make more sense ...

I totally agree with the second part !

stebs
09-03-2009, 10:13 PM
Us Open is obviously going to have a big bearing on who makes the 8 man field. With 6 guys already next to certain to make it the questions are being asked of the guys ranked 7-11 in the race.

Soderling would face Davydenko in a fourth round match if both advance so that would be fairly important for the race for one of those guys to reach the QF's. Gonzalez and Tsonga have a similarly important meeting scheduled but Verdasco would have to beat Haas then Roddick to reach the QF, seems unlikely given a poor record vs Roddick (iirc).

roberthenman
09-04-2009, 12:11 AM
murray
federer
nadal
djokovic
tsonga
del potro
roddick
davydenko

JediFed
09-04-2009, 12:11 AM
Murray
Djokovic
Federer
Nadal
Del Potro
Roddick
Tsonga
Soderling

http://thebornotaku.com/images/implied-facepalm.jpg

CmonAussie
09-04-2009, 12:14 AM
....
surprised how many are leaving Verdasco out of their lists^^?

rubbERR
09-04-2009, 12:20 AM
....
surprised how many are leaving Verdasco out of their lists^^?

more surprising is how many peoples are picking tsonga who lost guccione(:lol:) couple of weeks ago and he is mr.inconsistency

some guys even picking him top 5 which is not gonna happen obviously because he is aint gonna win paris again, gonna lose about 1000 points then ;)

stebs
09-04-2009, 09:52 AM
more surprising is how many peoples are picking tsonga who lost guccione(:lol:) couple of weeks ago and he is mr.inconsistency

some guys even picking him top 5 which is not gonna happen obviously because he is aint gonna win paris again, gonna lose about 1000 points then ;)

The fact that he won Paris indicates his affinity for indoor surfaces though and the two indoor masters are going to determine a lot probably. Tsonga is one of the five within touching distance of a top 8 spot in the race so the points he will lose in the rankings obviously aren't going to destroy his chances of qualifying. It could be a very exciting finale if they all stay close till the very last moments of the season.

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surprised how many are leaving Verdasco out of their lists^^?

I guess Verdasco is the least proven of all the challengers indoors. Soderling hasn't had amazing results but is natural there and has had some bad luck with injuries to prevent him doing better. Gonzalez is a previous Madrid finalist and the other two have both won Paris. Verdasco would need to get at least similarly good results as these guys to reach the year end masters. Not such an easy task actually.

Certinfy
09-04-2009, 10:11 AM
No order:

Murray
Nadal
Federer
Djokovic
Del Potro
Roddick
Verdasco
Tsonga

thegreendestiny
09-04-2009, 10:23 AM
Big 4: Fed, Murray, Nadal, Djokovic
Small 4: Tsonga, Davydenko, Del Potro, Roddick

CmonAussie
09-07-2009, 02:23 PM
1 Federer (SUI) 8 820 (ATP_rk : 1)
2 Nadal (ESP) 7 605 (ATP_rk : 3)
3 Murray (GBR) 6 040 (ATP_rk : 2)
4 Djokovic (SRB) 5 020 (ATP_rk : 4)
5 Roddick (USA) 4 400 (ATP_rk : 5)
6 Del Potro (ARG) 3 985 (ATP_rk : 6)
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 790 (ATP_rk : 9)
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 2 375 (ATP_rk : 12)
9 Söderling (SWE) 2 300 (ATP_rk : 11)
10 Davydenko (RUS) 2 245 (ATP_rk : 8)
11 Tsonga (FRA) 2 090 (ATP_rk : 7)
12 Robredo (ESP) 1 905 (ATP_rk : 15)
13 Stepanek (CZE) 1 845 (+ 2) (ATP_rk : 16)

...
The current TOP-6 are surely a lock, then the remaining 2 places are up for graps~ though unlikely that any player beyond #13 can make it..!

peribsen
09-07-2009, 03:32 PM
Remember that anybody winning a GS gets a place, even if he is ranked beyond the top 8. If Isner were to win USO, for example, he would be in London and nr 8 would be left out.

David Kenzie
09-07-2009, 03:36 PM
Remember that anybody winning a GS gets a place, even if he is ranked beyond the top 8. If Isner were to win USO, for example, he would be in London and nr 8 would be left out.

I think that rule doesn't exist anymore. Only the TOP 8 of the ATP Rankings are qualified.

jcempire
09-07-2009, 03:46 PM
1 Federer (SUI) 8 640 (ATP_rk : 1)
2 Nadal (ESP) 7 425 (ATP_rk : 3)
3 Murray (GBR) 5 860 (ATP_rk : 2)
4 Djokovic (SRB) 4 840 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 4)
5 Roddick (USA) 4 310 (ATP_rk : 5)
6 Del Potro (ARG) 3 805 (ATP_rk : 6)
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 405 (ATP_rk : 10)
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 2 195 (ATP_rk : 11)
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Agree!!!!!!!! only one maybe different is

Tsonga will replace Gonzalaz in your list

peribsen
09-07-2009, 03:54 PM
Seems you're right, DKenzie, I was forgetting that this year is the first editin of a new tournament, with new rules. I'm not sure if it's good, though, you lose the possibility of a new face erupting right to the very top. Anyway, was always unlikely it would happen, but...

CmonAussie
09-09-2009, 04:28 AM
<<<<>>>>
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Verdasco, Gonzalez & Soderling have improved their chances greatly with strong runs at the USO..!!

mgorganchian
09-09-2009, 05:13 AM
I did some calculations and the first 6 are almost confirmed.

The race with todays QF is as follows:



1 Federer (SUI) 9 000
2 Nadal (ESP) 7 785
3 Murray (GBR) 6 040
4 Djokovic (SRB) 5 200
5 Roddick (USA) 4 400
6 Del Potro (ARG) 4 165
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 970
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 2 555
9 Söderling (SWE) 2 480
10 Davydenko (RUS) 2 245
11 Tsonga (FRA) 2 090



So far the distance between the last of these 6 (Del Potro) and the rest of the contenders are:

Verdasco 1195 below
Gonzalez 1610 and
Soderling 1685

In the not probable case that Del potro looses to Cilic, Verdasco reaches SF and Gonzalez looses in the Final to Soderling the race will be as follows:

5 Söderling (SWE) 4 480 (ATP_rk : 11)
7 Del Potro (ARG) 4 165 (ATP_rk : 6)
8 Verdasco (ESP) 3 330 (ATP_rk : 9)
9 F Gonzalez (CHI) 3 455 (ATP_rk : 12)

Even if that happens Verdasco and Gonzalez will need to have VERY good performance in both ATP 1000
and ATPs 500 and Del potro to have very poor performances in most/all of them.

So in conclusion the top 6 are almost in...

Obviously after USO we will have a better picture of who are already in and who are with more chances to enter...

Adri89
09-09-2009, 04:45 PM
1- Federer
2- Nadal
3- Murray
4- Djokovic
5- Del Potro
6- Roddick
7- Verdasco
8- Gonzalez
9- Tsonga
10- Soderling

If the six first should all go into London (without injuries), hard to say who will be the last two guys. Tsonga has a lot of points to defend with his title in Paris of last year but I expect from him a good season in indoor (in my opinion where he is the best). Davydenko has the final of the Master to defend and a SF in Paris : I don’t see him finish this year in the top 10. At this day, Verdasco and Gonzalez are in the best positions. Gonzo has no point at all to defend until the end of the season, and Verdasco very few. Soderling should be a little short because of the points of Lyon that he will have to defend.

Burrow
09-09-2009, 07:09 PM
I still say Soderling qualifies, expect him to do well in the indoor season.

CmonAussie
09-09-2009, 10:38 PM
1- Federer
2- Nadal
3- Murray
4- Djokovic
5- Del Potro
6- Roddick
7- Verdasco
8- Gonzalez
9- Tsonga
10- Soderling

If the six first should all go into London (without injuries), hard to say who will be the last two guys. Tsonga has a lot of points to defend with his title in Paris of last year but I expect from him a good season in indoor (in my opinion where he is the best). Davydenko has the final of the Master to defend and a SF in Paris : I don’t see him finish this year in the top 10. At this day, Verdasco and Gonzalez are in the best positions. Gonzo has no point at all to defend until the end of the season, and Verdasco very few. Soderling should be a little short because of the points of Lyon that he will have to defend.

:wavey:
Adri,
you don`t understand how the players qualify for the Masters Cup do you..
you mentioned "DEFEND points" many times~~ but thats just for the Entry Ranking, to qualify for the Masters they don`t have to defend anything, so only 2009 points count;)

FiBeR
09-09-2009, 10:45 PM
8th spot should be taken by gonzalez, tsonga or soderling.

Depends on their Masters 1000 draw.. whoever gets a killer draw :bigwave:

tealeaves
09-09-2009, 11:43 PM
I want Verdasco out, Gonzalez and Soderling in.

Adri89
09-10-2009, 02:48 PM
:wavey:
Adri,
you don`t understand how the players qualify for the Masters Cup do you..
you mentioned "DEFEND points" many times~~ but thats just for the Entry Ranking, to qualify for the Masters they don`t have to defend anything, so only 2009 points count;)

Yeah I know it but before the master the two rankings will be the same. So you can use both to make predictions, I think it's the same even if it's not the same logical.
I was looking the rankings of the week before the US Open, not the "race" (I don't know if this term is still correct this year) that's why I mentionned a lot of time "defend poins" for the players who will have to defend lot of points before the end of the year to keep their current position in the ranking. Sorry if my expression is bad, english is an hard language for me. :)
Thanks for your help anyway. :)

stebs
09-10-2009, 07:01 PM
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 970
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 2 555
9 Söderling (SWE) 2 480
10 Davydenko (RUS) 2 245
11 Tsonga (FRA) 2 090

Very interesting battle I think. Verdasco leads but may well be the weakest indoor player for the remaining masters. I think this could go down to the last day easily.

River
09-10-2009, 07:16 PM
Federer
Nadal
Djokovic
Del Potro
Murray
Roddick
Verdasco
Gonzalez

Gonzo deserves another crack at the cup, and Verdasco will probably do enough to have his spot.
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mgorganchian
09-11-2009, 11:02 AM
I did again some calculations and the first 6 are 99% confirmed.

The race with todays QF and SF is as follows:



1 Federer (SUI) 9 360 (still playing USO)
2 Nadal (ESP) 7 785 (still playing USO)
3 Murray (GBR) 6 040
4 Djokovic (SRB) 5 560 (still playing USO)
5 Del Potro (ARG) 4 525 (still playing USO)
6 Roddick (USA) 4 400
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 970
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 2 555 (still playing USO)
9 Söderling (SWE) 2 480
10 Davydenko (RUS) 2 245
11 Tsonga (FRA) 2 090




In case Del Potro wins the SF he will be in, as he will be have 5005 race points and will have 2525 more points than 9# and more than 2000 than Verdasco and Gonzalez (we still need to see if he will win againsta Nadal and earn more USO points).


Also, so far the distance between the last of these 6 (Roddick) and the rest of the contenders are:
Verdasco 1430 below
Gonzalez 1845 and*
Soderling 1920

If we add these distances we are talking about more than 5195!!! that between the 3 they at least have to collect to surpass Roddick…
If Gonzalez wins the USO, then he will have 3485 race points and he will be still be below Roddick...:

5 Del Potro (ARG) 4 525
6 Roddick (USA) 4 400
7 F Gonzalez (CHI) 3 485
8 Verdasco (ESP) 2 970
9 Söderling (SWE) 2 480

The only way that Roddick could be out, is that Gonzalez wins USO and he has average performance the rest of the year, and Verdasco and Soderling have VERY good performance in both ATP 1000 and ATPs 500 and Roddick has very poor performances in most/all of them which is almost impossible as there are not so many points remaining to collect maybe 3500 or a bit more, considering the extra ATPs 250 points that this players could play...

So in conclusion the top 6 are almost in...

Obviously after USO we will have a better picture of who are already in and who are with more chances to enter...

mgorganchian
09-11-2009, 11:11 AM
This year, we had a very huge difference between top 6 and the rest of the players...

and at last one more thing, if Djokovic reaches SF he will have the same race points than Murray so it is not true that Murray had outperformed Djokovic for that far this year...

stebs
09-11-2009, 12:43 PM
and at last one more thing, if Djokovic reaches SF he will have the same race points than Murray so it is not true that Murray had outperformed Djokovic for that far this year...

Djokovic has advantage over Murray in that they both excel on hard courts, Murray is stronger on grass but Djokovic on clay. Far more points to be earned on clay courts than grass and Djokovic had strong results (F, F, SF) in the masters. Actually Murray went further at RG but the accumulative points are more for Djokovic I think. Also Murray had two R16 losses on his favoured HC. Really poor for such a good player. Djokovic of course has QF and now SF and maybe more.

In many senses both have done well over the course of the year but been very disappointing in slams. I think Djokovic should be very disappointed not have been in the RG final given a Nadal free draw and his clay strengths. Murray obviously disappointed not to be in the Wimbledon final given his grass prowess.

It will indeed be interesting to see who comes out on top post year end championship. Certainly I think Murray has blown his chances to end at #2 with the weak USO performance unless Nadal loses in the SF's AND is out for the rest of the year with injury or something big like that.

CmonAussie
09-14-2009, 04:59 AM
....
the TOP-6 now are surely a lock, they`ve really seperated themselves from the pack:
...
1 Federer (SUI) 9 840 (ATP_rk : 1)
2 Nadal (ESP) 8 145 (ATP_rk : 2)
3 Murray (GBR) 6 040 (ATP_rk : 3)
4 Djokovic (SRB) 5 560 (ATP_rk : 4)
5 Del Potro (ARG) 5 005 (+ 1) (ATP_rk : 5)
6 Roddick (USA) 4 400 (ATP_rk : 6)
7 Verdasco (ESP) 2 970 (ATP_rk : 9)
8 F Gonzalez (CHI) 2 555 (ATP_rk : 12)
9 Söderling (SWE) 2 480 (ATP_rk : 11)
10 Davydenko (RUS) 2 245 (ATP_rk : 8)
11 Tsonga (FRA) 2 090 (ATP_rk : 7)
12 Robredo (ESP) 1 905 (ATP_rk : 16)

CmonAussie
09-20-2009, 07:29 AM
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Verdasco in doubt maybe with his foot surgery, so perhaps Soderling or Tsonga will sneak in(-:

whattheheck
09-20-2009, 08:12 AM
Has Roddick really been confirmed already? Almost pretty sure Verdasco's out with that surgery. Pretty sure those below Robredo can still sneak in.

FlameOn
09-20-2009, 08:32 AM
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Verdasco in doubt maybe with his foot surgery, so perhaps Soderling or Tsonga will sneak in(-:
Verdasco is playing in Malaysia soon apparently. For all we know the surgery could be done and dusted already. I really hope he can make it.

CmonAussie
09-20-2009, 09:17 AM
Has Roddick really been confirmed already? Almost pretty sure Verdasco's out with that surgery. Pretty sure those below Robredo can still sneak in.

:wavey:
Officially Roddick hasn`t been confirmed yet, but 3 guys below him would have to pass him, and if you look at the points gap he has on #9 spot ~ you can see the chances of Andy falling out of the Top-8 [before London] are about 0.01%

CmonAussie
09-20-2009, 02:19 PM
Verdasco is playing in Malaysia soon apparently. For all we know the surgery could be done and dusted already. I really hope he can make it.

yeah surgery never sounds good, but for all we know he might have simply got some dead skin removed:eek: