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Nadal is the only player EVER..

ys
02-01-2009, 12:15 PM
.. to hold a Slam on each surface.. A man, I mean.. Am I right?

Sapeod
02-01-2009, 12:19 PM
5 people have won all grand slams, which means atleast 5 people have won all surfaces. Agassi was one of them, I think.

LocoPorElTenis
02-01-2009, 12:25 PM
.. to hold a Slam on each surface.. A man, I mean.. Am I right?

I take it you started watching tennis yesterday :wavey:

Fiberlight1
02-01-2009, 12:25 PM
He means at the same time..

LoveFifteen
02-01-2009, 12:27 PM
He means at the same time..

:spit:

roddick#1tome
02-01-2009, 12:28 PM
nope. u r wrong. he doesn't have us open

wilmar
02-01-2009, 12:29 PM
Nadal is the first since Agassi to win Slams on 3 Different surfaces.

Modetopia
02-01-2009, 12:31 PM
Andre Agassi won AO,RG,Wimbledon,USO, still the man to beat.

Fiberlight1
02-01-2009, 12:31 PM
nope. u r wrong. he doesn't have us open

He has a major on hardcourt now..

and now he holds, Australian, French and Wimbledon all at the same time.. That means he holds majors on three different surfaces.

Doggy
02-01-2009, 12:32 PM
Federer, get nekkid now!!!

Consigliere
02-01-2009, 12:34 PM
No he isn't because there will never be a slam on carpet or en tout cas or that fake plastic grass stuff.

ShimSham
02-01-2009, 12:38 PM
A few players have won the same slam on different surfaces like the US and Australian, which have been grass and clay in the past.

groundstroke
02-01-2009, 12:59 PM
Agassi is one that comes to mind, he's won it on both hard courts, on grass and on clay.

born_on_clay
02-01-2009, 12:59 PM
Nadal is the best player in the wordl. al Fedmugs you just have to accept it !!!

Deivid23
02-01-2009, 01:09 PM
This Rafa is good

o0o0oo1
02-01-2009, 01:10 PM
He means that there was no one who was the current winner of a slam of each surface, meaning that the a player must be the current champion of the French, Wimbledon and one between US and Australian Open.

Nadal has won last year's French, Wimbledon and this year's Australian Open.

Agassi, in 1999, won the French, the US Open, but not the Wimbledon.

Martina Navratilova won the French, Wimbledon and US Open in 1984, and did not win the Australian Open in 1984 and 1985. So she is the 'player to hold a slam on each surface' from after winning her 1984 US open until her lost at 1985 Roland Garros.

Rod laver, who won all slams in 1969, was not the 'player to hold a slam on each surface' because both the Australian Open and US Open was played on grass.

Then, again, there's no slam played on carpet or wood or other things they might had in the past.

moon language
02-01-2009, 01:36 PM
Jimmy Connors. No French but he won the US Open when it was on green clay in the 70s.

cornellboy
02-01-2009, 02:40 PM
I think the OP meant, be the reigning champion of three different majors on three different surfaces at once (meaning, within one year, winning three different majors on three different surfaces)

Can anyone think of any other man who's done this?

Chris Seahorse
02-01-2009, 04:08 PM
.. to hold a Slam on each surface.. A man, I mean.. Am I right?

I've been trying unsuccessfully to think of others but yes, I think you are right. Wow. That is some achievement by Rafa. :worship:

tennis2018
02-01-2009, 08:35 PM
too much "guessing" & not enough fact...

Only one player man in history has a Golden Career slam and has won a GS title on all surfaces including rebound ace = Andre Agassi

CyBorg
02-01-2009, 08:45 PM
Jimmy Connors. No French but he won the US Open when it was on green clay in the 70s.

Actually, no. You're close, but 1974 was the last year the US Open was on grass.

So Jimmy won AO on grass, Wimbledon on grass and then the US Open on grass.

It looks like Nadal is the only one to be the defending champion of majors on three different surfaces in the open era (unless we count the rebound ace as a different surface than a hardcourt, but I don't think we should).

Of course, if we go to the pro circuit pre-open era we'll find that legends like Rod Laver won major events on a variety of surfaces. The French pro was played on clay or wood. Wembley on carpet. US Pro on grass.

LeChuck
02-01-2009, 10:24 PM
An excellent achievement by Rafa to become the first man to simultaneously hold grand slam titles on clay, grass and hard. He became the 4th man to win at least one slam title from each of those 3 broad surface categories in his career, after Connors, Wilander and Agassi.

jenanun
02-01-2009, 11:23 PM
yes... nadal is the only player to hold 3 slams on 3 different surfaces at the same time.

people just too focused on the 14th but ignore this excellent achievement... not sure if nadal noticed that himself before the match

vamos rafa!

buddyholly
02-02-2009, 01:08 AM
If you mean be a Slam champion on all 3 main surfaces at the same time, you could well be right.

I assume Laver won AO on grass, but don't know if the US Open was grass or hard back then.

rafa_maniac
02-02-2009, 01:13 AM
That is quite an achievement, how did noone notice this possibility prior to the final? :eek: :worship:

moon language
02-02-2009, 01:17 AM
Actually, no. You're close, but 1974 was the last year the US Open was on grass.

So Jimmy won AO on grass, Wimbledon on grass and then the US Open on grass.

It looks like Nadal is the only one to be the defending champion of majors on three different surfaces in the open era (unless we count the rebound ace as a different surface than a hardcourt, but I don't think we should).

Of course, if we go to the pro circuit pre-open era we'll find that legends like Rod Laver won major events on a variety of surfaces. The French pro was played on clay or wood. Wembley on carpet. US Pro on grass.

No, the US Open switched to green clay (Har Tru) in the mid 70s. Connors won it on green clay in 1976. But I was just speaking of over the course of his career which is what I thought the thread was about but apparently not.

If it's over the course of career Nadal has now joined Agassi, Connors, and Wilander as the only ones to have done it.

crude oil
02-02-2009, 07:46 AM
:lol:

the OP's post wasn't hard to understand. i dont know why so many people didnt get it.

well done rafa

FairWeatherFan
02-02-2009, 07:49 AM
That may be true, but he did at a time where there is far greater uniformity between surfaces than there has ever been before.

Bilbo
02-02-2009, 08:11 AM
this rafa is good

CyBorg
02-07-2009, 01:52 AM
No, the US Open switched to green clay (Har Tru) in the mid 70s. Connors won it on green clay in 1976. But I was just speaking of over the course of his career which is what I thought the thread was about but apparently not.

If it's over the course of career Nadal has now joined Agassi, Connors, and Wilander as the only ones to have done it.

Okay. I don't know why you mentioned Connors at all. The point was that Nadal holds three grand slam titles on three different surfaces, at the same time.

El Legenda
02-07-2009, 01:57 AM
.. to hold a Slam on each surface.. A man, I mean.. Am I right?

is the US Open and AO same surface?

littleash
02-07-2009, 02:07 AM
AO new surface is too slow, just like clay. :o

MisterQ
02-07-2009, 02:20 AM
Interesting observation. It's surprising that Nadal is the first! By my count, five other players have been just one match away from this accomplishment (holding these titles simultaneously):

AGASSI

FO 1999 Winner
Wimbledon 1999 Runner-Up
USO 1999 Winner
(also AO 2000 Winner)


BORG (Twice)

FO 1978 & 1980 Winner
Wimbledon 1978 & 1980 Winner
USO 1978 & 1980 Runner-Up


FEDERER (Three Times)

Wimbledon 2005, 2006, 2007 Winner
USO 2005, 2006, 2007 Winner
FO 2006, 2007, 2008 Runner-Up
(Also AO 2006, 2007 would fit in these runs)


LENDL (Twice)

FO 1986 & 1987 Winner
Wimbledon 1986 & 1987 Runner-Up
USO 1986 & 1987 Winner


MCENROE

FO 1984 Runner-Up
Wimbledon 1984 Winner
USO 1984 Winner


(This accomplishment was not possible until 1978, when the USO became the first hardcourt major).

LinkMage
02-07-2009, 02:25 AM
If you consider green clay and blue clay to be different than red clay then yes. :p

star
02-07-2009, 03:25 AM
If you mean be a Slam champion on all 3 main surfaces at the same time, you could well be right.

I assume Laver won AO on grass, but don't know if the US Open was grass or hard back then.

grass

That may be true, but he did at a time where there is far greater uniformity between surfaces than there has ever been before.

That's interesting. You mean more uniformity than grass, grass, and grass? Cause you do realize that until 1974 three of the four GS tournaments were grass, right? And then there were two on grass for a long time after that. I think the AO went to hardcourt sometime in the 80s.

You have a little flea in your brain about this subject. When do you think Wimbledon was slowed down? It was over 5 years ago and Federer won all of his titles on the slower grass. However, Queens remained faster than Wimbledon (one of the stated reasons Federer plays Halle -- he said it's more like Wimbledon than Queens) And guess who is the title holder on the faster grass at Queens? Yes, Rafael Nadal.

Mimi
02-07-2009, 03:52 AM
are you talking too much about quick grass thing, that you ate some of them accidentally and make this strange post?

if i was not wrong, there were no hard courts at Laver's time, the slams were only played either on clay or grass, now we have clay, hard court, grass, what is this greater uniformity between surfaces now? :lol:

you just want to try everything to put down rafa, aren't you? This is the greatest unformity of your goal :lol:

That may be true, but he did at a time where there is far greater uniformity between surfaces than there has ever been before.

FairWeatherFan
02-07-2009, 09:27 PM
That's interesting. You mean more uniformity than grass, grass, and grass? Cause you do realize that until 1974 three of the four GS tournaments were grass, right? And then there were two on grass for a long time after that. I think the AO went to hardcourt sometime in the 80s.

I said between surfaces. Grass is one surface, obviously. Besides, this thread is about Rafa holding three slams on three different surfaces. It would be impossible to do this when three of the slams were played on grass. So why do you even bother raising this point in this thread? It is completely irrelevant.

When do you think Wimbledon was slowed down? It was over 5 years ago and Federer won all of his titles on the slower grass.

:haha: If you think Philippoussis is reaching a Wimbledon final on anything but quick grass, you clearly have no idea about tennis. I never denied, however, that the grass was slowed before 2008.

However, Queens remained faster than Wimbledon (one of the stated reasons Federer plays Halle -- he said it's more like Wimbledon than Queens)

Yes, because it's so hard for a surface to be faster than Wimbledon nowadays. I think it's accepted that Queens is faster than Wimbledon, but how much faster? There seems little evidence. In this article Rusedski describes it as a 'bit' faster than the slowed down Wimbledon grass: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/an-email-conversation-with-greg-rusedski-im-never-as-bad-as-they-say-when-i-lose-and-not-as-good-when-i-win-482074.html
He doesn't really seem to be describing it as lightning quick, does he? Besides, success on lead-up tourneys is no way comparable to grand slam success. Sampras won Rome, but last time I checked he didn't win the French and isn't regarded as a great claycourt player.

ys
02-07-2009, 10:18 PM
:haha: If you think Philippoussis is reaching a Wimbledon final on anything but quick grass, you clearly have no idea about tennis. I never denied, however, that the grass was slowed before 2008.

That's a bit of a silly point, as Philippoussis did reach Grand Slam finals on something other then quick grass.

FairWeatherFan
02-07-2009, 10:29 PM
That's a bit of a silly point, as Philippoussis did reach Grand Slam finals on something other then quick grass.

He reached a grand slam final at the US Open, which, last time I checked, is quite a FAST surface.

Henry Kaspar
02-08-2009, 05:10 AM
.. to hold a Slam on each surface.. A man, I mean.. Am I right?

I think you are right. People don't read your post properly and list players who won slams on 3 surfaces over the course of their careers (Connors, Wilander, Agassi), but none of them held one title on each surface at the same time.

This little factoid shows that Nadal is quite an extraordinary player indeed. Federer vs. Nadal may well be the greatest tennis rivalry of all time.

Henry Kaspar
02-08-2009, 05:12 AM
I take it you started watching tennis yesterday :wavey:

If so this would be still earlier than when you started reading. So you are forgiven that you didn't get far with it.

Primus
02-08-2009, 11:13 AM
Just a question? Where the hell is speed up hardcourt petition?? :)

Burrow
02-08-2009, 11:51 AM
That's a bit of a silly point, as Philippoussis did reach Grand Slam finals on something other then quick grass.

:o tool

Gonzo Hates Me!
02-09-2009, 06:49 PM
:lol:

the OP's post wasn't hard to understand. i dont know why so many people didnt get it.

well done rafa


tell me about it!!!

people will notice his achievement! GO RAFA!!!! it's so weird to think that 5 years ago, it was hands down Federer's fate to be the man to simoultaneously hold atleast 3 major titles on the 3 surfaces these majors are held on but it was Rafa who just usurped that fate!!! It's so wonderful watching all his accomplishments and to know he just keeps getting better.

Bazooka
02-09-2009, 09:27 PM
Amazing, and there are many other records he can break. Maybe winning more than 17 AMS is the most likely, as he has 12 now and there are 3 clay AMS titles per year. Or winning all of them, Miami is possible for him, Cinci would be a real challenge. Or winning 8 times the same slam, going one better than Pete. Time will tell.

HattonWBA
02-10-2009, 03:11 PM
I think he is the only guy to ever be defending grand slam champion on three different surfaces actually to be honest

Humerus
10-31-2010, 06:37 PM
Again.

Pirao666
10-31-2010, 06:49 PM
Andre Agassi won AO,RG,Wimbledon,USO, still the man to beat.

Done! :devil:

Corey Feldman
10-31-2010, 07:17 PM
most of the idiots posting in here didnt expect fed to win the next GS's on clay, grass and HC. did they?

:devil::haha::woohoo:

Pirata.
10-31-2010, 07:30 PM
Done! :devil:

Federer did it first :shrug:

Priam
10-31-2010, 07:31 PM
Fedal has spoiled us too much. Holding 3 on diff. surfaces simultaneously was unheard of in the 90s.

Waterfox
10-31-2010, 09:08 PM
Like

Pirao666
10-31-2010, 10:18 PM
Federer did it first :shrug:

And your point is...? :confused:

rocketassist
10-31-2010, 10:25 PM
Fedal has spoiled us too much. Holding 3 on diff. surfaces simultaneously was unheard of in the 90s.

Because it was much harder then.

Topspindoctor
10-31-2010, 11:04 PM
Because it was much harder then.

No, it's because players back then weren't very good on all surfaces simultaneously.

solowyn
10-31-2010, 11:16 PM
No, it's because players back then weren't very good on all surfaces simultaneously.
.... :lol: Because it was harder to do so?

Fiberlight1
10-31-2010, 11:20 PM
Federer did it first :shrug:

Actually Nadal did it first... FO 08 W 08 and AO 09 :P

nobama
10-31-2010, 11:22 PM
NADAL FORUM. Mod's please do your job.

Haasi
10-31-2010, 11:23 PM
No.
Because in the 90s GRASS was FAST as it should be. Now the Grass is a JOKE, it's slower. Like the so called ¨fast courts¨... the surfaces slowed down and even Karlovic could win a title on each surface.

Pirata.
10-31-2010, 11:26 PM
Actually Nadal did it first... FO 08 W 08 and AO 09 :P

If you were paying attention, you would've seen I was replying to the post that quoted this:

Andre Agassi won AO,RG,Wimbledon,USO, still the man to beat.

nadal_slam_king
11-01-2010, 01:14 AM
So is Rafa the only man ever to be the defending champion on 3 different surfaces - RG 08, WIM 08, AO 09. And also RG 10, WIM 10, USO 10? That's amazing, because he'd be the only man to do it and he's done it twice.

Fiberlight1
11-01-2010, 01:26 AM
So is Rafa the only man ever to be the defending champion on 3 different surfaces - RG 08, WIM 08, AO 09. And also RG 10, WIM 10, USO 10? That's amazing, because he'd be the only man to do it and he's done it twice.


Fed did it this year too.. FO 09 W 09 and AO 10

swisht4u
11-01-2010, 02:13 AM
Fed did it this year too.. FO 09 W 09 and AO 10

It just depends how surfaces are categorized.
You can have natural = FO and Wimby
or hard = AO and USO.

In truth there are 4 different surfaces, none are the same.

They have machines to measure court characteristics, all 4 slams have different court characteristics.

rocketassist
11-01-2010, 03:05 AM
No, it's because players back then weren't very good on all surfaces simultaneously.

Because the difference between the surfaces was much greater? Fast grass, slow clay, medium paced hard, instead of the shite we have now, slow grass, quicker clay, slow hard bar one or two. I.E. homogenization.

Topspindoctor
11-01-2010, 03:13 AM
Because the difference between the surfaces was much greater? Fast grass, slow clay, medium paced hard, instead of the shite we have now, slow grass, quicker clay, slow hard bar one or two. I.E. homogenization.

Surface homogenization is vastly overrated. Grass is still quick, if it were slow, clay courters like Ferrer and Almagro would do better on it, while terrible clay courters like Roddick and Murray wouldn't be making finals/semi finals. The outcry about slow grass only began after 2008, because it wasn't acceptable to haters that Nadal won Wimbledon being a clay courter in the beginning of his career. And it's not like Wimbledon and RG are suddenly wide open to hard courters, from 2005, Fed and Nadal dominated those 2 slams with no one coming close to taking them.

The biggest problem with grass is that you need to have good movement and adjust to bad bounce. Most players treat Wimbledon like a hard court and they pay for it.

In any case, this discussion can only be resolved when Fed and Nadal retire to see if anyone in the next generation can win career GS or RG+W double.

swisht4u
11-01-2010, 03:57 AM
The original post was to give Nadal some credit, we don't need another thread to do so.
Everyone knows he's had a great year even Fed fans I would think.
I can definitely understand why additional threads are made though, if your a Nadal fan then you just like to talk about him, when threads slow down some just make a new one and continue the love fest.
:D

jcempire
11-01-2010, 04:21 AM
Rafa is the best if he's 100%

solowyn
11-01-2010, 08:06 AM
The outcry about slow grass only began after 2008, because it wasn't acceptable to haters that Nadal won Wimbledon being a clay courter in the beginning of his career.

Actually, people have been talking about it since at least 2003.

leng jai
11-01-2010, 10:10 AM
Actually, people have been talking about it since at least 2003.

Look who you are talking to. Nadulltards started watching Wimbledon in 2007.

LoveFifteen
11-01-2010, 12:04 PM
Federer did it first :shrug:

No, Nadal did it first.

Singularity
11-01-2010, 01:02 PM
Surface homogenization is vastly overrated. Grass is still quick, if it were slow, clay courters like Ferrer and Almagro would do better on it, while terrible clay courters like Roddick and Murray wouldn't be making finals/semi finals. The outcry about slow grass only began after 2008, because it wasn't acceptable to haters that Nadal won Wimbledon being a clay courter in the beginning of his career.
Surely you can attribute those results to differences in how well each player moves on the two surfaces (eg. Murray and Roddick move terribly on clay).

paseo
11-01-2010, 01:10 PM
Look who you are talking to. Nadulltards started watching Wimbledon in 2007.

What about HaasTards? When did they start watching Wimbledon? :D

rocketassist
11-01-2010, 03:07 PM
Surface homogenization is vastly overrated. Grass is still quick, if it were slow, clay courters like Ferrer and Almagro would do better on it, while terrible clay courters like Roddick and Murray wouldn't be making finals/semi finals. The outcry about slow grass only began after 2008, because it wasn't acceptable to haters that Nadal won Wimbledon being a clay courter in the beginning of his career. And it's not like Wimbledon and RG are suddenly wide open to hard courters, from 2005, Fed and Nadal dominated those 2 slams with no one coming close to taking them.

The biggest problem with grass is that you need to have good movement and adjust to bad bounce. Most players treat Wimbledon like a hard court and they pay for it.

In any case, this discussion can only be resolved when Fed and Nadal retire to see if anyone in the next generation can win career GS or RG+W double.

Murray's best performance at Roland Garros is a round less than his best Wimbledon one. Work that out.

Ferrer very nearly made the QF of Wimbledon this year too, not to mention Almagro's won a few rounds there before.

Roddick and Davydenko's problems are purely and simply MOVEMENT. In the past, it would be game style that's the problem for players trying to move between surfaces. Nowadays absolutely anyone can play the exact same game when they cross over, and that makes today's tour boring. Keep a close eye on Del Potro next year at SW19, I expect him to go very far, and when he does, it will confirm my theories.

Grass has been slow since 2002.

Johnny Groove
11-01-2010, 03:13 PM
Murray's best performance at Roland Garros is a round less than his best Wimbledon one. Work that out.

Ferrer very nearly made the QF of Wimbledon this year too, not to mention Almagro's won a few rounds there before.

Roddick and Davydenko's problems are purely and simply MOVEMENT. In the past, it would be game style that's the problem for players trying to move between surfaces. Nowadays absolutely anyone can play the exact same game when they cross over, and that makes today's tour boring. Keep a close eye on Del Potro next year at SW19, I expect him to go very far, and when he does, it will confirm my theories.

Grass has been slow since 2002.

You are over generalizing, dude.

Yes, surfaces are more and more similar these days, but at the end of the day, hard is still hard, clay is still clay, and grass is still grass. I don't expect Roddick to beat Almagro on clay, the same way I don't expect Del Potro to beat Hewitt on grass.

With surface homogenization, it has placed more emphasis on movement and mental strength to win matches. Everyone is good, everyone has a big serve and forehand. Only the best movers and those with the best mentality will be winning slams these days.

Raiden
11-01-2010, 04:16 PM
Nadal is the only player EVER.. to hold a Slam on each surface.. Am I right?No, you're wrong

Raiden
11-01-2010, 04:16 PM
He means at the same time..Wrong in that case also.

Sillyrabbit
11-01-2010, 04:28 PM
Actually, people have been talking about it since at least 2003.

Yep and they'd be right because it was around that time that they switched the surface composition to 30% rye(I think) which affected speed and bounce.

born_on_clay
11-01-2010, 05:09 PM
Rafa is already a legend :bowdown:

Fiberlight1
11-01-2010, 05:18 PM
Wrong in that case also.

Look at the dates.. in 09 Nadal was.