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habibko
01-30-2009, 01:08 PM
first meeting since the epic match at Wimbledon!

Federer in 3 :rocker2:

TheBoiledEgg
01-30-2009, 01:09 PM
Roger 60 62 61

Tabledott
01-30-2009, 01:10 PM
Topspin death for Federer in 4. Rafzilla TOO STRONG at this point.

ClaudiuS
01-30-2009, 01:10 PM
Federer in 4.

Jaz
01-30-2009, 01:10 PM
I'm a fed fan, but Rafa in 4. he played well today and Federer simply isn't as aggressive as Fernando Verdasco either.

I suspect Nadal might even find it easy against Federer.

scarecrows
01-30-2009, 01:11 PM
Nadal in 3 or Federer in 4 or 5

ciprianned
01-30-2009, 01:13 PM
Federer express !!!
6-2 6-4 7-5

waterlily_021989
01-30-2009, 01:13 PM
heart say Rafa
Head says Roger
still,i'm voting for Rafa in 4 :)

SerenaFederer
01-30-2009, 01:14 PM
federer however he decides to do it...

born_on_clay
01-30-2009, 01:16 PM
Rafa in 3 sets
7:6 6:4 7:5

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 01:17 PM
R. Nadal in 4 or 5

iriraz
01-30-2009, 01:17 PM
If Nadal will start his match sluggish against Federer after today`s epic and will loose in straight sets it shouldn`t be a surprise.
A tennis fan,no matter if he likes Federer or Nadal more would love a classic match but after today`s match it will be tough to overcome

Diprosalic
01-30-2009, 01:24 PM
heart says roger
head says rafe

adee-gee
01-30-2009, 01:25 PM
Can't wait for Rafa to have to withdraw so Federer can get on his "wow I'm so fucking good I only ever defaulted a match once in my career" crap.

Maybe then these ridiculous slams might start scheduling matches properly.

ORGASMATRON
01-30-2009, 01:29 PM
Well done to Rafa but this is where the road ends. Roger in 3.

ORGASMATRON
01-30-2009, 01:31 PM
Well done to Rafa but this is where the road ends. Roger in 3.

biological
01-30-2009, 01:31 PM
Roger in 3, or maybe 4.

Deivid23
01-30-2009, 01:37 PM
Maybe then these ridiculous slams might start scheduling matches properly.

:worship:

finishingmove
01-30-2009, 01:37 PM
nadal in straight sets.

federer has reached a point in his career when he can't beat a higher ranked opponent

Deivid23
01-30-2009, 01:37 PM
Fed by wo

Hola Mr. SK
01-30-2009, 01:38 PM
Fed in 3. Nailed

prima donna
01-30-2009, 01:39 PM
A tennis fan,no matter if he likes Federer or Nadal more would love a classic match
I disagree.

HattonWBA
01-30-2009, 01:39 PM
Comon Nadal, hopefully rafa in 4, but might be tired as organisers are doing there best to give roger the title

rafa_maniac
01-30-2009, 01:42 PM
Nadal has no chance after his semifinal marathon, but I don't care, you've made your first HC slam final boy and you'll get your first win soon enough :hug:

Byrd
01-30-2009, 01:43 PM
Can't wait for Rafa to have to withdraw so Federer can get on his "wow I'm so fucking good I only ever defaulted a match once in my career" crap.

Maybe then these ridiculous slams might start scheduling matches properly.

I'm going to the shops if you want any grapes or tissues.

miura
01-30-2009, 01:48 PM
Federer in 3, maybe 4 if he can't sustain his best level of play.

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5731/ao09cew5.jpg

Corey Feldman
01-30-2009, 01:49 PM
Nadal 4

unreal the ppl who are thinking Fed because Nadal had one long match

do they forget who this Nadal is ?

adee-gee
01-30-2009, 01:52 PM
I'm going to the shops if you want any grapes or tissues.
That'd be good, thanks :hug: Especially the tissues, they'll come in handy.

Maybe start looking out for gifts for the RG schedulers while you're there, I'm sure they'll join the other slams in doing their best to gift Federer the record :)

federernadalfan
01-30-2009, 01:54 PM
i'm going to stick with my prediction. since rafa reached the final he will take this title. rafa in four

W!MBLEDON
01-30-2009, 01:54 PM
Can't wait for Rafa to have to withdraw so Federer can get on his "wow I'm so fucking good I only ever defaulted a match once in my career" crap.

Maybe then these ridiculous slams might start scheduling matches properly.

:worship:

:baby:

castle007
01-30-2009, 01:55 PM
Never underestimate Nadal. He is not going to let Federer thrash him.

And Federer never plays his best against Nadal in finals. And adding the fact that Federer will be going for his record tying 14th slam, and the fact that he is playing against his biggest rival, I am going to say he will win it in five sets.

Unless he completely chokes against Rafa.

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 01:57 PM
Fed by wo

he won't win either way. i expect nadal to be fit on sunday.

gaitare
01-30-2009, 01:57 PM
I'd love Roger to win it in three, but Rafa for the next 48 hours will be connected to some spectacular machines providing him with perfectly legal stamina-improving substances, superb quality oxygen and what not, his legs will be massaged by 12 best physios in the universe, I expect him to run like crazy in the final and make it competetive.

Johnny Groove
01-30-2009, 01:57 PM
Fedtards :lol:

Roger's gonna win in 3? :spit:

biological
01-30-2009, 01:58 PM
Nadal 4

unreal the ppl who are thinking Fed because Nadal had one long match

do they forget who this Nadal is ?

do you forget who Fed is?

8 HC slams > 0

I don't think it'll be an easy match but I can't see Rafa taking it in anything other than 5 (and I don't reckon it'll go that far).

Arkulari
01-30-2009, 01:58 PM
it is going to 5 sets and could go either way, depends on both their forms and stuff ;)

Bernard Black
01-30-2009, 01:59 PM
This will be the most one-sided final since the French Open. Federer to steamroll and get revenge.

Sure, Nadal is a bad match up for Federer but the Spaniard isn't going to be able to get his racquet to the ball, let alone have the time to wind up the forehand. Zero aggression from Nadal this tournament, Federer for once, will laugh at the weak topspin efforts coming his way.

EnriqueIG8
01-30-2009, 01:59 PM
Fed in 4.

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 02:02 PM
all nadal has to do is win the 1st set and he'll be fresh and ready for it

i don't want to be in federer's skin when this happens

Aurora
01-30-2009, 02:04 PM
Nadal 4

unreal the ppl who are thinking Fed because Nadal had one long match

do they forget who this Nadal is ?you're so cute as a scared fanboy :hug:

adee-gee
01-30-2009, 02:05 PM
This will be the most one-sided final since the French Open. Federer to steamroll and get revenge.

Sure, Nadal is a bad match up for Federer but the Spaniard isn't going to be able to get his racquet to the ball, let alone have the time to wind up the forehand. Zero aggression from Nadal this tournament, Federer for once, will laugh at the weak topspin efforts coming his way.
Wrong. Rafa was playing very aggressively his first 4 matches, he was hitting his forehand better than ever. The last 2 have been back to his old self and I'm not sure why, I don't put it down to the improved quality of his opponents either.

federernadalfan
01-30-2009, 02:05 PM
I'd love Roger to win it in three, but Rafa for the next 48 hours will be connected to some spectacular machines providing him with perfectly legal stamina-improving substances, superb quality oxygen and what not, his legs will be massaged by 12 best physios in the universe, I expect him to run like crazy in the final and make it competetive.

:lol:

kobulingam
01-30-2009, 02:09 PM
Wrong. Rafa was playing very aggressively his first 4 matches, he was hitting his forehand better than ever. The last 2 have been back to his old self and I'm not sure why, I don't put it down to the improved quality of his opponents either.

It is because of the opponent.
This same pattern has been happening with Rafa for a long time now. When he faces a top player (in terms of game) who isn't a counterpuncher like Murray, Rafa reverts to his old defensive minded game.

Commander Data
01-30-2009, 02:09 PM
This is how it is going down:


Rafa will start full force and serving great, while Rog will start sub par as usually against Rafa 1st Serve not working, missing some easy winners, being nervous. Rafa wins first set 6:3 in a hurry. 2nd set Federer starts to play better, open match, Fed Wins an even second set 7:6. 3 rd set Fed starts controlling points but still is under lot of pressure. he can keep his nerves and wins 6:3 Rafa is starting to show fatigue. 4th set Rafa is tired and Federer trashes him 6:2 to capture his 14th Slam.


Result: R. Federer in 4

Mohammad
01-30-2009, 02:10 PM
Rafa in 4, I have an amazing sense now, just like the one which I had in Wimbledon 2008!
I'm sure, believe me guys!

RogerFan82
01-30-2009, 02:10 PM
Lets hope Roger doesn't think about his 4 losses to rafa in 2008. Good luck Rog !!! You can do this. :yeah:

Henry Kaspar
01-30-2009, 02:15 PM
With these two and at this level you never know, but based on what I've seen so far I consider Federer the slight favorite, in spite of their head-to-head record (Federer is still up 3-2 on hardcourt, btw). And it would be good for tennis if Federer could get one back.

mikkemus23
01-30-2009, 02:18 PM
Fed in 5. Fed needs his serve and BH working, killer forehand seems okay. Another epic?

Yves.
01-30-2009, 02:21 PM
Federer in 4. He won't lose at this stage of his life and tennis career. He'll equal Sampras! :rocker:

madmax
01-30-2009, 02:22 PM
no way in hell the moonballer can only dream of taking at least a set of off hard court monster...Fed in easy 3, Nadull's knees will be broken by chasing all the Roger's shots

Horatio Caine
01-30-2009, 02:22 PM
Well, something made me pick Federer 2 weeks ago, and I'm sticking to my prediction...more so because of Nadal's SF epic. That said, I don't for one moment think that Nadal can't be a serious threat (40 hours or so is enough for him to recover to a reasonable level imo)...but if Roger can strike early, he should give himself every chance. Sure, we know that Rafa is in Roger's head, but I'm a little sceptical as to whether Rafa's topspin is as effective in a night match...and I think it is still a little telling that Roger leads their hard-court series.

Got nothing against Rafa at all, but, as I mentioned yesterday, I would like to see Roger tie Sampras's record of 14 Slams on Sunday...giving him a solid chance of finally breaking the record before the season is done.

Best of luck to both men, and may the best man win! :yeah:

Foxy
01-30-2009, 02:23 PM
Rog to lead 2 sets to 0 and then giving up the last 3 sets easily under serious "pression".

SheepleBuster
01-30-2009, 02:24 PM
Aw. You guys are so kind to my idol Roger. Nadal in 3 or 4 at most. Rafa had Roger beat in 3 at Wimbledon, Roger's best surface. I am sorry but I just can't see Roger winning after Verdasco played the match of his life and still lost.

prima donna
01-30-2009, 02:27 PM
This is how it is going down:


Rafa will start full force and serving great, while Rog will start sub par as usually against Rafa 1st Serve not working, missing some easy winners, being nervous. Rafa wins first set 6:3 in a hurry. 2nd set Federer starts to play better, open match, Fed Wins an even second set 7:6. 3 rd set Fed starts controlling points but still is under lot of pressure. he can keep his nerves and wins 6:3 Rafa is starting to show fatigue. 4th set Rafa is tired and Federer trashes him 6:2 to capture his 14th Slam.


Result: R. Federer in 4
We should consider ourselves most fortunate to be amongst one capable of peering into the future.

Tennisman82
01-30-2009, 02:27 PM
Federer in four. Nadal did tons of running and will not be fresh for the final with just one day’s rest. Plus Federer’s serve is really clicking and while Nadal can defend any shot, I think he’s going to have trouble with the Federer serve on Sunday. I think it’ll come down to how well Nadal returns serve.

He’s got to be worried about how well Nadal is defending though!

Federer in four tight sets is my prediction!

Tennisman82.

nanoman
01-30-2009, 02:28 PM
The moment Nadal moonballs a FH to Fed's BH the point is already out of Fed's control.

You can't win against these odds................unless JezusFed shows up and stays there.

Nadal in 4.

Richardgm
01-30-2009, 02:30 PM
Federer in 4

superslam77
01-30-2009, 02:32 PM
Federer in 3, maybe 4 if he can't sustain his best level of play.

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5731/ao09cew5.jpg

lol i love how you described rafa with a mowgli dive :worship:

Tennisman82
01-30-2009, 02:33 PM
The moment Nadal moonballs a FH to Fed's BH the point is already out of Fed's control.

Yep, but Federer will be hitting those wide serves to Nadal's backhand too, and Nadal will be standing like 2-3m behind the baseline to return serve.

Federer's serve will be the make-or-break for him on Sunday, because he won't be out-performing even a tired Nadal from the baseline that's for sure.

Tennisman82.

Byrd
01-30-2009, 02:34 PM
Anyone know what the conditions will be like on the day, and how the court will play due to these?

SheepleBuster
01-30-2009, 02:34 PM
Nothing would make me happier than seeing the disappointed face of Uncle Tony. I mean Nadal is great but if he wins this he is gonna win 20 majors. Roger deserves to be the best. Rafa can keep the best clay courter of all time title.

spriwi
01-30-2009, 02:35 PM
roger in 3 or 4.

«Ivan»
01-30-2009, 02:35 PM
fed will trash rafa's underwear in 3.

ORGASMATRON
01-30-2009, 02:36 PM
The pole has spoken :cool:

biological
01-30-2009, 02:36 PM
Aw. You guys are so kind to my idol Roger. Nadal in 3 or 4 at most. Rafa had Roger beat in 3 at Wimbledon, Roger's best surface. I am sorry but I just can't see Roger winning after Verdasco played the match of his life and still lost.

:haha: Yes, because Roger and Verdasco are about the same talent-wise.

groundstroke
01-30-2009, 02:36 PM
the FED EXPRESS never runs out of steam

fed in 5

dr.Damir
01-30-2009, 02:37 PM
If Rafa wins this, he will win more Slams than Fed and Pete.
But he is too tired I'm afraid.

marcRD
01-30-2009, 02:37 PM
Fedtards :lol:

Roger's gonna win in 3? :spit:

You said Roddick was going to win in 5 against Federer. :spit:

marcRD
01-30-2009, 02:38 PM
Fedtards :lol:

Roger's gonna win in 3? :spit:

You said Roddick was going to win in 5 against Federer. :spit:

biological
01-30-2009, 02:38 PM
the FED EXPRESS never runs out of steam

:rocker2: You know it.

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 02:39 PM
Anyone know what the conditions will be like on the day, and how the court will play due to these?

30 degrees during the day

maybe something like 20-22 degrees when they play

groundstroke
01-30-2009, 02:40 PM
Anyone know what the conditions will be like on the day, and how the court will play due to these?

late in the night in australia, roof closed, very humid, means topspin isnt as effective and slice drags more

marcRD
01-30-2009, 02:40 PM
I think Federer is going to win in 4. Simply because of Nadals long match against Verdasco. He will have to serve like a god, because in the ralies he wont be able to slice which is why his game looks so different when he plays Nadal. Nadal totaly takes him out of his comfort zone, he has the greatest slice in the world and he cant use it against Nadal.

So what Federer needs to do is to go out there, serve like a god, just paint the lines with his forehands and go to the net to finish the points. Super aggresive tennis, never let Nadal get to his backhand and in returns he should just wait for the right oppurtunities.

ballbasher101
01-30-2009, 02:41 PM
If Rafa wins on sunday we have to investigate whether the guy is human or not because he must be on his last legs by now. Fed to take the title on sunday.

Bernard Black
01-30-2009, 02:43 PM
Aw. You guys are so kind to my idol Roger. Nadal in 3 or 4 at most. Rafa had Roger beat in 3 at Wimbledon, Roger's best surface. I am sorry but I just can't see Roger winning after Verdasco played the match of his life and still lost.

Nadal was on a massive winning streak then and in the form of his life, he's not in that sort of form now. Consider the difference in surface too, the grass was giving his shots extra pop which he just can't seem to find on these courts, he will struggle to hurt Federer unless he can get him off court consistently with angles, but as I've mentioned, I just don't think Federer will give him the time to wind up those sorts of shots.

madmax
01-30-2009, 02:47 PM
If Rafa wins on sunday we have to investigate whether the guy is human or not because he must be on his last legs by now. Fed to take the title on sunday.

haha, frankly I will be amazed if he will take a set off Federer...after 5 hours of constant running along the baseline any noraml player would be a working corpse on Sunday, but its Nadal, and he's not normal:rolleyes:

Manila ESQ
01-30-2009, 02:47 PM
If Verdasco > Murray,
and Murray > Federer,
and Rafa > Verdasco,

I therefore conclude...

Rafa > Federer.

This is just me.

The Daviator
01-30-2009, 02:47 PM
Rafa in 4 :cool:

Andi-M
01-30-2009, 02:48 PM
Before todays semi i would have said Rafa in 4.

Now not so sure Roger barely broke sweat in his joke semi-final whereas Nadal plays for over 5 hours.

Roger in 3. I Hope im a horribly wrong!!!

FNT
01-30-2009, 02:49 PM
Fed should win this, Rafa will be too tired plus he isn't as good on hard as Roger is. People always talk about their h2h record, but forget that the difference is probably this big because Rafa didn't make it to hard/grass finals in 2005-08 too many times. Fed's current form is good and he should take it in somewhat similar fashion to 1st set of TMC-2007 if you ask me. I say Fed in 4.

All of this doesn't matter if FedMug-08 decides to show up. Then it's Rafa in 3 or 4.

Bernard Black
01-30-2009, 02:49 PM
Wrong. Rafa was playing very aggressively his first 4 matches, he was hitting his forehand better than ever. The last 2 have been back to his old self and I'm not sure why, I don't put it down to the improved quality of his opponents either.

I'll have to take your word for it, I don't watch the Nadal snoozefests in the early rounds :p

Aenea
01-30-2009, 02:50 PM
If Rafa wins this, he will win more Slams than Fed and Pete.
But he is too tired I'm afraid.
Rafa's got almost 48 hrs to recover. Verdasco played over 3 hrs vs Murray, then again over 3 hrs vs Tsonga and he played today a long 5 setter. Do you think Verdasco is fitter than Nadal and has more stamina than him? Think again. Hopefully Rafa will recover and will be fully fit for the final.

Xristos
01-30-2009, 02:51 PM
Fed in 4.

marcRD
01-30-2009, 02:55 PM
Rafa's got almost 48 hrs to recover. Verdasco played over 3 hrs vs Murray, then again over 3 hrs vs Tsonga and he played today a long 5 setter. Do you think Verdasco is fitter than Nadal and has more stamina than him? Think again. Hopefully Rafa will recover and will be fully fit for the final.

Rafa just wears himself more in every match by runing like a rabbit and playing physical tennis.

A_Skywalker
01-30-2009, 03:01 PM
Rafa will be okay, He played only 3 set matches in the beginning of the tournament so now he can recover.

Chileno
01-30-2009, 03:04 PM
Nadal in 5!!!!

prima donna
01-30-2009, 03:04 PM
Take out the trash, Roger.

meihaditalab
01-30-2009, 03:05 PM
If rafa plays the way he did against Nando its over in 3 sets: 6-4 6-2 6-3

nsidhan
01-30-2009, 03:05 PM
50/50. I thought Rafa would be tired after his epic Hamburg SF vs Nole but he came out the next day and killed Roger. So Rafa will be good to go. Should be a good one.

Commander Data
01-30-2009, 03:12 PM
We should consider ourselves most fortunate to be amongst one capable of peering into the future.

If you have further question - maybe concerning your love life - I can read the cards for you as well.

dylan24
01-30-2009, 03:13 PM
fedex in 3
roast that pig fedex

dylan24
01-30-2009, 03:16 PM
rafa doesn't get tired.
he could play on saturday
if he needs to

Byrd
01-30-2009, 03:18 PM
Cheers Bilbo & Groundstroke for the analysis :rocker2:

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 03:19 PM
Fed's only chance to win is when they play on Saturday

Mansave_75
01-30-2009, 03:19 PM
Rafa in 4, 7-5,3-6,6-4,6-2
A new Era has just begun.
:)

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 03:20 PM
Fed's only chance to win is when they play on Saturday

t0x
01-30-2009, 03:22 PM
Difficult one to pick. One things for sure, I don't think fitness will decide it - Rafa is young and strong, killed his early opponents easily, and it's only the starts of the year anyway. He'll be going out all guns blazing.

Federer looks to be on good form, but these days he comes out amazing one day and terrible the next. If he has a good day, he'll beat Rafa in a similar fashion to how he did in the TMC. If he has a bad day, he could lose this match quickly.

There's quite a lot on this match... Hopefully it'll be good to watch :)

adee-gee
01-30-2009, 03:26 PM
Fed's only chance to win is when they play on Saturday
Wouldn't put it past the schedulers :shrug: :o

scarecrows
01-30-2009, 03:26 PM
If rafa plays the way he did against Nando its over in 3 sets: 6-4 6-2 6-3

for whom?

Fedexex
01-30-2009, 03:26 PM
sadly Nadal in 3:sad::o

tangerine_dream
01-30-2009, 03:27 PM
Glad Rafa won. Roger deserves to face a real player in the AO final for once instead of the usual candy assortment of first-time slam finalists, chokers, mugs, clowns, has-beens, never-was, and pigeons.

Watch them move the men's final to Saturday afternoon.

RicRoc
01-30-2009, 03:29 PM
Federer in 4.First two sets will be close.;)

ImmzB
01-30-2009, 03:33 PM
Rafa in 4

SheepleBuster
01-30-2009, 03:54 PM
There won't be a 5th set. Somebody's going to win it in 4. I feel if Roger wins the first set, it could be a quick day. But if Rafa wins the first set, it'll be Wimbledon all over again for Roger. I hope Roger wins. He deserves to get to 14 after Rafa robbed of his chance twice last year. Rafa can have French and Wimbledon.

Sebby
01-30-2009, 04:03 PM
Nadal in 4.

nsidhan
01-30-2009, 04:05 PM
Only way to beat Rafa will be to play like how Tsonga did last year. Hit hard and deep -> approach to net -> volley VERY SHORT. If you volley deep, Rafa will pass you.

rofe
01-30-2009, 04:05 PM
Nadal already coming up with an excuse and the I am not the favorite crap:

"Roger is going to have a little advantage with one day's rest and only three sets so he's for sure the favorite but I'm going to try my best to recover."

Well done #1. :worship:

guinevere_79
01-30-2009, 04:06 PM
Why are people making such a big deal about the lack of rest between matches? Rafa still has more than 24 hours before playing the final. Isn't that enough recovery time for a 22 year old?

Besides, whatever disadvantage he has because of exhaustion will be negated by the disadvantage of Roger being rusty from not playing for two days. Everything balances out in the end.

Aenea
01-30-2009, 04:08 PM
Nadal already coming up with an excuse and the I am not the favorite crap:

"Roger is going to have a little advantage with one day's rest and only three sets so he's for sure the favorite but I'm going to try my best to recover."

Well done #1. :worship:

What in his statement isn't true or isn't a fact? I don't understand.

mashamaniac
01-30-2009, 04:08 PM
I'd say rafa in 4 sets...

nsidhan
01-30-2009, 04:08 PM
Why are people making such a big deal about the lack of rest between matches? Rafa still has more than 24 hours before playing the final. Isn't that enough recovery time for a 22 year old?

Besides, whatever disadvantage he has because of exhaustion will be negated by the disadvantage of Roger being rusty from not playing for two days. Everything balances out in the end.

EXACTLY!

mashamaniac
01-30-2009, 04:12 PM
Nadal already coming up with an excuse and the I am not the favorite crap:

"Roger is going to have a little advantage with one day's rest and only three sets so he's for sure the favorite but I'm going to try my best to recover."

Well done #1. :worship:

You need to read the whole PC to understand it all... not just a small part of it! :confused:

SheepleBuster
01-30-2009, 04:16 PM
I don't already like the game Rafa is playing. Everytime he says Roger is the favorite, it's either super close or Rafa wins. Why is Roger the favorite? The rivalry is getting too lopsided (almost as one-sided as Roger, Roddick).

Andi-M
01-30-2009, 04:30 PM
Why are people making such a big deal about the lack of rest between matches? Rafa still has more than 24 hours before playing the final. Isn't that enough recovery time for a 22 year old?

Besides, whatever disadvantage he has because of exhaustion will be negated by the disadvantage of Roger being rusty from not playing for two days. Everything balances out in the end.

Its was a 5 1/2 hour match not a 2 hour one. It will take more time to recover its an unnatural amount of time to be playing any sport his muscles will be very sore tommorow.

t0x
01-30-2009, 04:31 PM
I don't already like the game Rafa is playing. Everytime he says Roger is the favorite, it's either super close or Rafa wins. Why is Roger the favorite? The rivalry is getting too lopsided (almost as one-sided as Roger, Roddick).

Rafa is #1, Roger #2
Rafa has a 12-6 record against Fed.

I agree completley. Rafa is the favourite for this match. The only thing in Roger's favour is HC experience, but last year Nadal won several big HC titles (Olympics for examples).

Meh, It doesn't really make a difference who's favourite or not anyways. But it would be nice for Rafa to say he was the favourite for once, it would make me respect him more anyway.

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 04:32 PM
Its was a 5 1/2 hour match not a 2 hour one. It will take more time to recover its an unnatural amount of time to be playing any sport his muscles will be very sore tommorow.

sore tomorrow but fine in 2 days

Daniel
01-30-2009, 04:33 PM
Roger in 3 sets.

marcRD
01-30-2009, 04:34 PM
Its was a 5 1/2 hour match not a 2 hour one. It will take more time to recover its an unnatural amount of time to be playing any sport his muscles will be very sore tommorow.

Why didnt Rafa then try to play really aggresive instead of playing superdefensive tennis? He should have known that this makes his chanses in the final go down now. Federer played against Berdych a 5 set match in little more than 3 hours. Federer only play 5 hour matches against Rafa and that is because Rafa make these matches 5 hours long.

mashamaniac
01-30-2009, 04:34 PM
I don't already like the game Rafa is playing. Everytime he says Roger is the favorite, it's either super close or Rafa wins. Why is Roger the favorite? The rivalry is getting too lopsided (almost as one-sided as Roger, Roddick).

Well looking back at their head-to-head history always the better player has won... it's just that rafa has too much respect for fed and always calling him the best in history,etc... shows it :sad: it's the matter of respect not playing any kinda game!also their H2H is 12-6 i think,if you call that lopsided then what would you call 16-2?? :eek::eek:

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 04:36 PM
Rafa is #1, Roger #2
Rafa has a 12-6 record against Fed.

take away the clay matches and it's 5-3 for Roger

Aenea
01-30-2009, 04:37 PM
I don't already like the game Rafa is playing. Everytime he says Roger is the favorite, it's either super close or Rafa wins. Why is Roger the favorite? The rivalry is getting too lopsided (almost as one-sided as Roger, Roddick).

Why is Federer the favorite for this match on the MTF poll? Because he played an easier SF, has 1 more day of rest and is a better HC player than Nadal. Don't you agree? That's why he's the favorite. That's why Nadal sees him like such.

MatchFederer
01-30-2009, 04:38 PM
sore tomorrow but fine in 2 days

Correct.

Flibbertigibbet
01-30-2009, 04:40 PM
Rafa in 4. It'll be close, but in clutch moments it's tough to see past Nadal in Nadal-Fed.

mashamaniac
01-30-2009, 04:47 PM
take away the clay matches and it's 5-3 for Roger

If clay was to be counted out of players' H2H then why do they play on it?? :confused:

Myrre
01-30-2009, 04:47 PM
Why is Federer the favorite for this match on the MTF poll? Because he played an easier SF, has 1 more day of rest and is a better HC player than Nadal. Don't you agree? That's why he's the favorite. That's why Nadal sees him like such.

No, it's because Federer is the best hardcourt player. Federer is playing well (even his defensive game is working again), so Nadal is going to have to play the match of his life to win.

mashamaniac
01-30-2009, 04:51 PM
No, it's because Federer is the best hardcourt player. Federer is playing well (even his defensive game is working again), so Nadal is going to have to play the match of his life to win.

Well nadal is the only player who's beaten fed on 3 different surfaces,he's beaten fed twice on a HC so that's not a feat or impossible! :devil:

Aenea
01-30-2009, 04:51 PM
No, it's because Federer is the best hardcourt player. Federer is playing well (even his defensive game is working again), so Nadal is going to have to play the match of his life to win.

If that were true why his fans are wondering Rafa sees Federer as the favorite for the final?

Caerula Sanguis
01-30-2009, 04:54 PM
Federer is 8 - 0 on HC slam final. Nadal has to chase down every ball and never miss a winner to have a chance.

brent-o
01-30-2009, 04:56 PM
Fed should win this, Rafa will be too tired plus he isn't as good on hard as Roger is. People always talk about their h2h record, but forget that the difference is probably this big because Rafa didn't make it to hard/grass finals in 2005-08 too many times. Fed's current form is good and he should take it in somewhat similar fashion to 1st set of TMC-2007 if you ask me. I say Fed in 4.

All of this doesn't matter if FedMug-08 decides to show up. Then it's Rafa in 3 or 4.

Oh, and mark my words, he will at some point.

Aenea
01-30-2009, 05:03 PM
Federer is 8 - 0 on HC slam final. Nadal has to chase down every ball and never miss a winner to have a chance.

He was 5 -0 on grass slam final before he lost Wimbledon last year :shrug:

hablovah19
01-30-2009, 05:06 PM
Federer in 5.

Myrre
01-30-2009, 05:12 PM
If that were true why his fans are wondering Rafa sees Federer as the favorite for the final?

Rafa is full of it. Before the French Open finals he was always going on about Federer being the favourite as he was the no.1 player in the world. Now that Rafa is no.1 he still goes on about Roger being the favourite. :banghead:

Caerula Sanguis
01-30-2009, 05:17 PM
He was 5 -0 on grass slam final before he lost Wimbledon last year :shrug:

Took Nadal 3 tries didn't it? So for HC, it should take him about 4 tries.

MatchFederer
01-30-2009, 05:24 PM
Rafa is full of it. Before the French Open finals he was always going on about Federer being the favourite as he was the no.1 player in the world. Now that Rafa is no.1 he still goes on about Roger being the favourite. :banghead:

Yeah. I was waiting for this and it pissed me off no end. What he says about 1 more day rest and stuff IS true, but it is merely a convenient guise under which he can roll off the Roger is the favourite bullshit.

Fuck that.

Aenea
01-30-2009, 05:26 PM
Took Nadal 3 tries didn't it? So for HC, it should take him about 4 tries.
You seem to be forgetting Rafa is 5 years younger and when they first met in a W final he was only 19 and Federer was much more mature and experienced :rolleyes:

alter ego
01-30-2009, 05:28 PM
JesusFed takes it by 3 sets to love. Show no mercy, Roger ! :)

DartMarcus
01-30-2009, 05:28 PM
Federer in 4.

q.j.
01-30-2009, 05:30 PM
vamos Rafa for the Golden Slam!!!

ASP0315
01-30-2009, 05:39 PM
Nadal in 4.
2-6 7-5 6-1 6-0.

Pfloyd
01-30-2009, 05:54 PM
So much of this match will depend on the first set, IMO.

If Nadal can take the first set, he can win this.

Otherwise, Federer will destory him after that.

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 05:55 PM
So much of this match will depend on the first set, IMO.

right

ASP0315
01-30-2009, 06:09 PM
verdasco served fantanstically though. being a fellow spaniard and a fellow lefthander with good angled serve certainly helped him.
but i hope roger wins but he gotta serve well and stop rushing the shots + stop coming to the net frequently.(volleying is going to harder here than at wimbledon.) and have some patience. also he should think that he isn't playing a wannabe player like roddick.

KoOlMaNsEaN
01-30-2009, 06:25 PM
Federer will beat a tired Nadal :)

MalwareDie
01-30-2009, 06:25 PM
but i hope roger wins but he gotta serve well and stop rushing the shots + stop coming to the net frequently.(volleying is going to harder here than at wimbledon.)

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Wimbledon is slower than it used to be and has higher bounce. Volleying is more appealing at the Australian Open because it is the faster surface.

EnriqueIG8
01-30-2009, 06:36 PM
Come on guys. The last time Rafa has played a final in an outdoor hardcourt tournament after he got pushed to 5 hours was Chennai 2008 against an average Youzhny. And we all know how that ended.....

bizzle
01-30-2009, 06:38 PM
Heart says Rafa: 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 :D

Head says Fed: 6-2, 7-6, 4-6, 6-2 :(

Bilbo
01-30-2009, 06:50 PM
Come on guys. The last time Rafa has played a final in an outdoor hardcourt tournament after he got pushed to 5 hours was Chennai 2008 against an average Youzhny. And we all know how that ended.....

that wasn't 5 hours and also there was only 1 day of rest

prima donna
01-30-2009, 06:58 PM
Here come the vulgar masses -- oops, the Nadal fans.

Dini
01-30-2009, 07:01 PM
Heart says Fed in 3, Head says Fed in 3 wonderful masterpieces of sets.

Go Rogi!!!!

Sampras be afraid. Very afraid.

tealeaves
01-30-2009, 07:02 PM
Federer 63 36 64 64

PiggyGotRoasted
01-30-2009, 07:05 PM
Federer wins 6 - 2 6 - 7 6 - 4 7 - 5

bad gambler
01-30-2009, 07:06 PM
Rafa in 4

Hopefully I am wrong. Good luck Roger get that #14

TheBoiledEgg
01-30-2009, 07:10 PM
Can't wait for Rafa to have to withdraw so Federer can get on his "wow I'm so fucking good I only ever defaulted a match once in my career" crap.

Maybe then these ridiculous slams might start scheduling matches properly.

oh yeah they could have started Roger at 7-30pm tonight then followed by Piggy :spit:

MIMIC
01-30-2009, 07:13 PM
I voted for Fed in 4. I just hope it can be half as good as the Nando-Nadal match.

Certinfy
01-30-2009, 08:26 PM
Fed in 3 or 4. Can't really see Nadal winning in this situation.

EnriqueIG8
01-30-2009, 08:33 PM
that wasn't 5 hours and also there was only 1 day of rest

Exactly it was only 4 hours against Moya. So you get my point.
I don't think he will be fully recovered on Sunday and Federer will take the title in 4.

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 08:36 PM
This will be the most one-sided final since the French Open. Federer to steamroll and get revenge.

Sure, Nadal is a bad match up for Federer but the Spaniard isn't going to be able to get his racquet to the ball, let alone have the time to wind up the forehand. Zero aggression from Nadal this tournament, Federer for once, will laugh at the weak topspin efforts coming his way.

:retard: Nadal is so in Fed's head right now that it isn't funny. The 1st set will determine the winner.

groundstroke
01-30-2009, 08:37 PM
Federer 63 36 64 64
The exact score in which Federer lost to Nadal in French Open 2007 I think and Fed had a ton of break points in that match.

I see a bagel set in this match, time for a piggy roasting. :devil:

Zhora
01-30-2009, 08:41 PM
Fed looked great against Del Potro and Roddick. Nadal doesn't impress too much, plus he must be very tired after 5h battle with Verdasco. He isn't that good on HC as Federer who have won 8 HCGS already and will win his 9th in three, max four sets.

sawan66278
01-30-2009, 09:12 PM
Have to go with Rafa...whom I picked at the beginning of the tourney.

Very intriguing...nonetheless.

Who knows? Maybe Rafa will be forced to play more aggressively because of lack of energy, and this will actually help him.

Rafa in four.

RagingLamb
01-30-2009, 09:19 PM
Based on Nadal's previous two matches, and Fed's previous two matches I'd have to go with Fed in 4 or 5.

I don't see Nadal beating Fed with the way he played against Simone and Verdasco, it won't cut it against Fed on HC.

MacTheKnife
01-30-2009, 09:21 PM
Really depends on which Fed shows up. If the same one shows up from the quarters and semis, Fed in straights. If not, 4 or 5 sets, and much like the Verdasco match, Fed will control who wins or loses.

connectolove
01-30-2009, 09:22 PM
I'm a fed fan, but Rafa in 4. he played well today and Federer simply isn't as aggressive as Fernando Verdasco either.

I suspect Nadal might even find it easy against Federer.

I hope that u r right!

Allegretto
01-30-2009, 09:30 PM
Federer in 4 without dropping serve.

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 09:52 PM
Really depends on which Fed shows up. If the same one shows up from the quarters and semis, Fed in straights. If not, 4 or 5 sets, and much like the Verdasco match, Fed will control who wins or loses.

Not so. In the past I would agree, but Nadal's defense right now is scary-GOAT level and it's Nadal's D that controls the outcome of this match. If his defense is not up to usual scary-level because of the 5hr14 semi, then Roger has a chance.

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 09:55 PM
In the past you could say the match was on Roger's racquet, but I believe the match is in Rafa's legs. After witnessing that suffocating defense against Verdasco, I'm absolutely convinced of this now.

MacTheKnife
01-30-2009, 10:00 PM
I would still say this match is on Feds racquet. If the same Fed shows up that played the last two matches this could be a demolition of epic proportions. Isn't it interesting that just 6 shorts months ago MTF was filled with Fed is dead threads. Haven't seen one of those lately.

Aurora
01-30-2009, 10:01 PM
Isn't this a chicken/egg question?
Can Fed produce the shots that Nadal's legs can't handle? Or can Nadal's legs retrieve all the shots coming of Fed's racquet?
1 wins, the other loses but what was the deciding factor?

MalwareDie
01-30-2009, 10:02 PM
You're crazy. Mugboar will be flattened by Federer so long as Fed believes that he can win. If Fed is confident, there is nothing Mugdull can do.

bad gambler
01-30-2009, 10:04 PM
In the past you could say the match was on Roger's racquet, but I believe the match is in Rafa's legs. After witnessing that suffocating defense against Verdasco, I'm absolutely convinced of this now.

I hope you don't do anything silly after Sunday night's final FedFan :sad:

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 10:04 PM
Like I said, until proven otherwise Nadal's legs are made of steel.

MalwareDie
01-30-2009, 10:06 PM
Like I said, until proven otherwise Nadal's legs are made of steel.

Really now... isn't he the one who gets his knees taped up with prolonged exposure to hard courts?

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 10:10 PM
Really now... isn't he the one who gets his knees taped up with prolonged exposure to hard courts?

Doesn't matter, he just uses those bands for comfort. He plays steel-trap defense right now, and if he brings it to the final Roger has no chance.

MrChopin
01-30-2009, 10:12 PM
Glad Rafa won. Roger deserves to face a real player in the AO final for once instead of the usual candy assortment of first-time slam finalists, chokers, mugs, clowns, has-beens, never-was, and pigeons.

Watch them move the men's final to Saturday afternoon.

And all of Roddick's coaches have been flakes, non-effects, numbskulls, transparents, and one-eyed hot dog vendors. Reason why he's never won another slam.

What in his statement isn't true or isn't a fact? I don't understand.

Fact is that it's probably almost 1:1 here. Nadal was the second favorite throughout much of the AO (after Murray), and until he started playing real opponents, everyone was bending over for his winners/UEs ratio. Now Nadal is starting to crash and Fed stepping it up, so it is about 50/50. I'd give Nadal more credit for modesty here except that he pulls this stunt every time he plays Fed. Sorry Nadal, but that record broke a long time ago.

***

I was initially really afraid of Rafa here, but then I remembered the Wimbledon '08 match, where Fed had almost nothing but his IO fh, serve, and volleys. It still took Rafa 9-7 in the 5th to win that, and Rafa was in the best streak and form of his life. It's now on a worse surface for him, Fed has a couple more weapons that are back to functional, and Rafa is somewhat tired (thanks schedulers!). I think Fed in four especially if he gets the first set.

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 10:20 PM
It all comes down to that steel-trap defense. If it's on, Roger loses.

MacTheKnife
01-30-2009, 10:24 PM
Guess it's just how you look at it. IMO it will be Feds errors or lack of that control this match. Granted that has a lot to do with Nadals defense, but that will be the difference. If Fed doesn't make the simple unforced errors he does many times playing Nadal, it will be a one sided match. If he does, he will lose.

KarlyM
01-30-2009, 10:35 PM
As a fan of both (an endangered species on MTF :lol: ), this is a tough pick for me. I feel that both will put up a big fight since the title would be a big achievement in their careers - it would be Rafa's first HC slam or it would be Fed's record tying 14th slam. Because of this, I feel this match will go 5 sets and will be very close. My pick to win is Rafa. What I'll be looking for in the match is how Fed starts, how tired Rafa looks, and who is more aggressive. But whoever wins, I'll be happy. :)

Knightmace
01-30-2009, 10:41 PM
This will be the most one-sided final since the French Open. Federer to steamroll and get revenge.

Sure, Nadal is a bad match up for Federer but the Spaniard isn't going to be able to get his racquet to the ball, let alone have the time to wind up the forehand. Zero aggression from Nadal this tournament, Federer for once, will laugh at the weak topspin efforts coming his way.
But what about Wimbledon?

ANyway Federer has way more experience on HC Finals.

Fed in 3

adee-gee
01-30-2009, 10:41 PM
oh yeah they could have started Roger at 7-30pm tonight then followed by Piggy :spit:
Do you laugh at your own jokes to make you feel better because no-one else laughs at them? :scratch:

l_mac
01-30-2009, 11:02 PM
I would still say this match is on Feds racquet. If the same Fed shows up that played the last two matches this could be a demolition of epic proportions. Isn't it interesting that just 6 shorts months ago MTF was filled with Fed is dead threads. Haven't seen one of those lately.
Why is that interesting?

It's *almost* as interesting as all the "Rafa is finished" threads disappearing around April last year.

:retard:
I was initially really afraid of Rafa here, but then I remembered the Wimbledon '08 match, where Fed had almost nothing but his IO fh, serve, and volleys. It still took Rafa 9-7 in the 5th to win that, and Rafa was in the best streak and form of his life. It's now on a worse surface for him, Fed has a couple more weapons that are back to functional, and Rafa is somewhat tired (thanks schedulers!). I think Fed in four especially if he gets the first set.


Good Luck to your man, not that he needs it :hug:

I am scared of your bitterness should he lose.

freestyler
01-30-2009, 11:03 PM
Roger in 3 :)

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 11:06 PM
l_mac - many of Federer fans will be very bitter if he loses on Sunday. It will be a truly shocking blow as there are no excuses this time. He's fully fit, looks sharp and this is hardcourt slam final where he is 8-0. Losing to a tired Nadal would be the ultimate humiliation, for himself and his fans.

Igaarg
01-30-2009, 11:07 PM
I can´t believe people think that Nadal will be tired, he will run like a rabbit as he always does, he has a strong body.
If Roger is mentaly strong, as I wish, we have a new 14GS champion. Come on Roger!

Dini
01-30-2009, 11:09 PM
Speak for yourself fedhater_2007. It will not be a humiliation for me, but the simple fact would be that if Rafa won, he was better on that day. If Federer continues to lose all his finals, I cannot care less. The truth is I will support Rog through the thick and thin, and if that means losing to Rafa again then so be it, at least I would have been able to proudly say that I was a fan of this genius. Win or lose, Fed is always in my heart.

l_mac
01-30-2009, 11:09 PM
l_mac - many of Federer fans will be very bitter if he loses on Sunday.

Many of you will manage to be bitter if he wins :hug: You're a special group.

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 11:10 PM
Many of you will manage to be bitter if he wins :hug: You're a special group.

Bullshit. If he wins I'll be over the moon and have a smile on my face until the Moonballing Open.

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 11:13 PM
Speak for yourself fedhater_2007. It will not be a humiliation for me, but the simple fact would be that if Rafa won, he was better on that day. If Federer continues to lose all his finals, I cannot care less. The truth is I will support Rog through the thick and thin, and if that means losing to Rafa again then so be it, at least I would have been able to proudly say that I was a fan of this genius. Win or lose, Fed is always in my heart.

I'm still his fan, but I will be absolutely gutted on Sunday if he loses. You can't say that wins/losses don't matter. I doubt you'd be such a fan if he weren't at least a 10-time GS champ?

Igaarg
01-30-2009, 11:15 PM
l_mac - many of Federer fans will be very bitter if he loses on Sunday. It will be a truly shocking blow as there are no excuses this time. He's fully fit, looks sharp and this is hardcourt slam final where he is 8-0. Losing to a tired Nadal would be the ultimate humiliation, for himself and his fans.


Why humiliation? If Rafa wins I will be very very sad, but not more than that. A defeat wont change my admiration for Roger, and wont be an humiliation for him either.

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 11:17 PM
Why humiliation? If Rafa wins I will be very very sad, but not more than that. A defeat wont change my admiration for Roger, and wont be an humiliation for him either.

All I know is that I would feel utterly humiliated after such a loss. French Open is one thing - that's a mugdal paradise. But losing to the moonballer on a hardcourt slam final, it's just unthinkable! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Igaarg
01-30-2009, 11:17 PM
Speak for yourself fedhater_2007. It will not be a humiliation for me, but the simple fact would be that if Rafa won, he was better on that day. If Federer continues to lose all his finals, I cannot care less. The truth is I will support Rog through the thick and thin, and if that means losing to Rafa again then so be it, at least I would have been able to proudly say that I was a fan of this genius. Win or lose, Fed is always in my heart.

I didn´t see your post. I totally agree:worship:

Dini
01-30-2009, 11:17 PM
FedFan_2007

No actually you got that wrong. I was Rogi's fan since 2001. And correct me if I am wrong, Fed had 0 slams back then. So your argument is consequently wrong. Yes I would love for him to win, but if he doesn't I will still be a proud fan and carry on giving him my full support. There is nothing that can reduce my admiration for him, even a 6-0 6-0 6-0 score by Nadal.

I don't go by results. Sorry to disappoint you FedFanOnlyWhenHeWinsGS_2007.

Igaarg
01-30-2009, 11:18 PM
All I know is that I would feel utterly humiliated after such a loss. French Open is one thing - that's a mugdal paradise. But losing to the moonballer on a hardcourt slam final, it's just unthinkable! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I understand what you are saying. It would be awful, but I still don´t agree with the humiliation part.

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 11:21 PM
FedFan_2007

No actually you got that wrong. I was Rogi's fan since 2001. And correct me if I am wrong, Fed had 0 slams back then. So your argument is consequently wrong. Yes I would love for him to win, but if he doesn't I will still be a proud fan and carry on giving him my full support. There is nothing that can reduce my admiration for him, even a 6-0 6-0 6-0 score by Nadal.

I don't go by results. Sorry to disappoint you FedFanOnlyWhenHeWinsGS_2007.

You caught me. :-) :p:p

FedFan_2007
01-30-2009, 11:22 PM
I understand what you are saying. It would be awful, but I still don´t agree with the humiliation part.

He might not, but I will! BTW, I hated Fed for beating my idol Sampras back in 2001 Wimbledon. I only became a full fledged FedFan in 2005 during the French Open, ironically because I didn't like Nadal. Go figure.

green25814
01-31-2009, 12:47 AM
Fedfan, please shutup. You dont speak for all of us.

Bernard Black
01-31-2009, 12:48 AM
But what about Wimbledon?

ANyway Federer has way more experience on HC Finals.

Fed in 3

Wimbledon shocked me too. As mentioned though, the grass just seems to give Nadal's game more potency, especially the slice serve out to Federer's backhand. It's not been quite as effective this tournament, and fingers crossed, Federer won't be afraid to hit a few slice returns this time to cut down on the errors. He made Nadal's serve look like Ivansevic's in that Wimbledon final, I can't see that being the case on this surface.

dam0dred
01-31-2009, 12:58 AM
Toss up. Fatigue won't be a factor for Nadal, I think it really depends on how Fed plays. He's been so streaky the last year or so whereas we know exactly how Nadal will play. I hope Roger wins it. :)

roberthenman
01-31-2009, 01:03 AM
rafa in 4

FedFan_2007
01-31-2009, 01:07 AM
I think nobody really understands where I'm coming from.

Byrd
01-31-2009, 01:08 AM
I think nobody really understands where I'm coming from.

Should be your life slogan.

nsidhan
01-31-2009, 01:12 AM
Fed might be rusty after having 2 days off. IW'08 semis loss vs. Fish when Haas had forfeited the prev match??? Same Wimby'07.

FedFan_2007
01-31-2009, 01:19 AM
Not only that but Fed was driven out of his hotel because of a power failure because of 45C!

wilmar
01-31-2009, 01:43 AM
he is deemed the better HC player
he has won AO before
he has the extra day off
he played a straight sets Semis
and don't forget the extra pression to match Sampras' record

interesting to see how Federer handles that.

to top it all, Nadal has been able to jinx him more often than not

Corey Feldman
01-31-2009, 02:17 AM
take away the clay matches and it's 5-3 for Roger
thing is .. is Nadal the same player on HC as he was 2 years ago? no

and is Fed as good as he was 2 years ago, no

four or five set win for Nadal on Sunday, no doubts in my mind - even if he's tired.

Art&Soul
01-31-2009, 02:22 AM
Depend only on Federer form. If JesusFed show up we will have 14th slam winner but if Fedmug is back then who knows :o

MrChopin
01-31-2009, 02:45 AM
Good Luck to your man, not that he needs it :hug:

I am scared of your bitterness should he lose.

No worries or bitterness... he's the favorite and will win easily!

dumdidum
01-31-2009, 03:54 AM
So what are the chances of the roof being closed?

Quakes
01-31-2009, 04:25 AM
So what are the chances of the roof being closed?

Zero if it's played at night. Fed's been playing WAY better in evening matches in this AO. Confirms my impression that he's a night person. :rolleyes:

Hence, as a Fed fan, I wish they schedule this to be a night match, like women's final.

Anyone know the real schedule of men's finals?? It's not on the official site yet.

habibko
01-31-2009, 04:44 AM
if Verdasco pushed Nadal to the limit until he double faulted himself to defeat, Federer is on a much higher Caliber than Verdasco and will push Nadal much more even if he wasn't playing his absolute (JesusFed) best, and I can't see Nadal playing much better than he did against Verdasco, so if no other factors were involved, Fed in 3 or 4 at most.

MalwareDie
01-31-2009, 05:00 AM
four or five set win for Nadal on Sunday, no doubts in my mind - even if he's tired.

:haha::haha::haha: Mugboar has no chance. You're probably angry at Fed's comments about Murray earlier in the tournament.
1) The Australian Open is faster than Wimbledon.
2) There is less bounce at the Australian Open.
3) It's a night match, so it will be colder and lessen the effect of Mugboar's moonballing.

It is overwhelmingly in favor of Roger and I anticipate that he will steamroll the false number one.

MalwareDie
01-31-2009, 05:02 AM
Zero if it's played at night. Fed's been playing WAY better in evening matches in this AO. Confirms my impression that he's a night person. :rolleyes:

Federer only does well at night if he can see. He hates night matches at Roland Garros and probably those at Wimbledon as well.

FedFan_2007
01-31-2009, 07:30 AM
If Federer is smart he will get involved in extended baseline rallies to increase the fatigue in those steel springs Nadal calls legs.

FedFan_2007
01-31-2009, 07:31 AM
Federer only does well at night if he can see. He hates night matches at Roland Garros and probably those at Wimbledon as well.

You forget Rod Laver Arena has lights, so no vision issues for Fed. He's basically unbeatable in those conditions.

nanoman
01-31-2009, 07:43 AM
Yep, but Federer will be hitting those wide serves to Nadal's backhand too, and Nadal will be standing like 2-3m behind the baseline to return serve.

Federer's serve will be the make-or-break for him on Sunday, because he won't be out-performing even a tired Nadal from the baseline that's for sure.

Tennisman82.

Yup fully agree. Hence my comment about JezusFed. Need to serve well the whole match and put the balls away that comes back. But I don't think he can keep it up the whole match. There will be games where his % will drop or games where the balls come back to his BH, and that's where he will be broken.

anon57
01-31-2009, 07:54 AM
If Federer is smart he will get involved in extended baseline rallies to increase the fatigue in those steel springs Nadal calls legs.
Yeah getting involved in extended baseline rallies and producing countless UE is definetely the way Fed is going to defeat Nadal.

FedFan_2007
01-31-2009, 07:57 AM
Yeah getting involved in extended baseline rallies and producing countless UE is definetely the way Fed is going to defeat Nadal.

I think it's a good strategy on Nadal's service games. Not necessarily on his own. My point is that he shouldn't pull the trigger too early when returning serve if he's on serve or up a break. I guarantee that Nadal can't play STEEL TRAP defense for more then 2 hours after that marathon.

habibko
01-31-2009, 08:10 AM
Q. You had a bit of trouble watching last night's match did you, or did you have to get back down here to do it?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I was practicing at the beginning of the match. It took a while, so I went for dinner and saw the end. It was really exciting. It was an unbelievable match.


Q. What did you think about? What was going through your mind as you were watching it?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I mean, as I didn't see the whole thing, it was kind of difficult to judge. But you heard, you know, that Fernando was struggling with his leg, you know, at one stage, but then looked much better again.

But it was just good to see such a close contested match, I thought. In the end it was unfortunate it had to finish on a double fault, but I thought the quality was very good.


Q. It was one of the great ones. Does it make you feel that you've got more of that advantage now that you've had the extra 24 hours and Rafa has had to dig so deep through five hours?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I mean, you could think that way, but I don't think it's really going to affect Rafa that much. He's had very easy matches going into this semifinal.

Okay, he has a day less. But, look, I mean, you got to be fit and recover from this kind of a match. I think he will, even though he took a while. His matches usually take longer than other matches because he takes his time out on the court. I don't think he will be really affected on Sunday.


Q. You're at the threshold of history here tomorrow. I'm sure, given your love of the tradition of the game and what it all means and the value you hold on Pete Sampras in the game, what are your thoughts of tomorrow and the potential that lies ahead of you?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, it's an unbelievable opportunity for me, of course, you know, not being No. 1 anymore, you know, trying to beat No. 1 in the world and getting the 14th Grand Slam.

You know, this is where I won the Grand Slam to become No. 1 in the world back in 2004 really, so I've always had a specially liaison with this tournament. You know, the stage is set, basically, for a great match. I hope we can live up to them like we did in Wimbledon.

I think it's going to be a close match. I think he's playing well, and he showed it throughout the tournament. Yesterday his match was fantastic, so I'm looking forward to a great match and then hopefully equal Pete's record.


Q. When you went on the tour with Pete a year or so ago and also the Madison Square Garden match, did the Nos. 14, 15, and the word "record" come up in conversation?

ROGER FEDERER: Uhm, yeah, I think we were mostly just chatting about how it was for him to stay at the top for so long and how it is for me and how different it is today maybe than it was back then. You know, I think it was more about that.

I didn't ask him how many he thought I was going to win, you know. This is not stuff you ask Pete. But it was, just for me, a great honor to be around Pete for like a week, you know, day in and day out, playing him and practicing with him and doing press conferences with him.

I know if you do press conferences with a guy who's sitting next to you, obviously he's obviously going to be nicer to you than when you're not in the room with him. We get along very well. I had a great time.

And then to play the XO in Madison Square Garden, which was sold out, it was an unbelievable match. To play in the States, at this stage of my career, was really a lot of fun.

If I look back on how then the crowd reacted at the US Open a few months later, I think it was so worth doing it. You know, and just being around Pete, such a champion, it was a nice feeling. We just spoke in general a lot, and I think I was more interested in the person than his records really.


Q. Are there any facets of either his game or his personality that you try and bring into your game?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I think when you grow up you get more affected by how a guy plays. I remember when I was very young and you see a picture of a player, and then you say, Oh, this is how you got to hit a forehand. Then you start doing it and your coach says, What are you doing?

I was like, Well, I saw this picture of Sampras playing this forehand, and his follow‑through was like this. He says, Well, this was maybe a just a follow‑through in a particular moment, but this is not how he hits every forehand.

So these kind of things go through your head more and you're much more affected by these kind of things. Later I think you look at more how he behaves out on the court. He always very quiet and calm. This is something that I admired that in Edberg at well.

I knew I had it in me, but it just took some time to find it. Once I did it, I just wanted to make sure I had a mix of being fired up, being happy out on court, but still being very concentrated and focused on the game.


Q. Both players suggested last night that it would be much fairer if both semifinals were played on the same day. What are your thoughts on that? Fernando was particularly strong suggesting that you have an unfair advantage going into the final.

ROGER FEDERER: I don't think so. I mean, you still got a day off. It's not like he has to play right now, so this is a different story. I mean, it's just the way it is. You know, the US Open, we have the same problem over there. So here we come to Australia and we have another problem because we have two days off and the other guy has one day off. At the US Open we have no days off, so let's be happy we have a day off here, to be quite honest.

I don't think Rafa will struggle too much to get over this kind of a match. Like I said before, he's had an easy tournament so far. This was the tough one. I'm sure he's going to get over it. I see the point, but I don't think it's a valid one on this occasion.


Q. Would you like to see both semifinals on the same day?

ROGER FEDERER: For me it doesn't matter. I think it's fun to have one at night session yesterday, you know, and one the day before. I think it's great for fans. So I think it works.


Q. You lost the No. 1 ranking last year, and you lost in two finals to Rafa. You have a chance to get at least some revenge for that year. If there is a decline in your performance, do you sense that, or are you actually getting better though your ranking shows you're going in the opposite direction, as it were?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, rankings in tennis change very quickly, as we know. I mean, of course the No. 1 and No. 2 ranking hasn't changed a whole a lot the last four years.

But being No. 5, 10, 15 in the world, we've seen that with Verdasco. One moment he's 15 then he's No. 7 in the world or something. It just goes very, very quickly.

So that's why. The ranking just shows how consistent you've been over a longer period of time. But then I don't know, you figure out Rafa will get injured through French Open and Wimbledon, so then he's not No. 1 and 2 in the world anymore, but just because he's been injured. It's not always 100% accurate.

Normally it is, especially in the men's game. We're playing week in and week out. We play at least 10 tournaments out there, some of them play 30. So I think the rankings are fair.

But, I mean, I do sometimes sense that I'm playing better and sometimes worse. I've always felt like this for the last five years, ten years. Since I've been No. 1 in the world I've always had better days and less good days.

It's just that the bad days nobody was talking about them, because in the end I came through and won the tournament. Then you don't look back on the second round. I think this is sometimes when people look at more a little bit today, because they think there is a recline, [sic] but actually there is not. It's a funny way of looking at it.


Q. Could you talk a little bit about the drug program? Some players have felt that the new system is a little too intrusive into their personal lives.

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, it's a tough system, no doubt. It's a significant change to what we were used to before, so I think it takes some time getting used to it, you know.

But at the same time, I feel like this is how you're going to catch them, right? You're not going to catch them bringing them up and saying, Look, I would like to test you maybe in two days. This is not how you're going to catch the guys. The guy's cheating and they're smart, right? That's why I'm kind of okay with it.

You know, it's an hour a day. I know it's a pain, but I would like it to be a clean sport, and that's why I'm okay with it.


Q. Are you at the point of your career where days like tomorrow and the Grand Slam, the majors, are the ones that really get your juices going and what the game is about for the rest of your career?

ROGER FEDERER: Yes and no. I mean, I'm still ‑‑ I feel young enough that I don't only look at the majors, you know. I still feel every tournament I enter I would like to win it. I feel there's always such a ‑‑ people are so happy to see me at every tournament I go to. So I can't, just out of respect, say, Look, I only want to win the majors.

It's just not the way it is. We have a great tour. Every tournament tries so hard, and I want to try to win their tournament. That's why, of course, because of the record, you know, that's what everybody talks about. This is obviously also on the highest list just because it gives the most points, it's most rewarding in terms of ranking and in terms of being judged how you're playing. You get the biggest test. It's best‑of‑five sets. That's why obviously Grand Slams are very intriguing.

The other tournaments are not to be forgotten, you know, because I love playing those as well.


Q. Which is the most prestigious record in men's tennis? Is it the most Grand Slams?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, I guess this one is ‑‑ yeah, to me it almost seems like, you know. Or weeks at No. 1 maybe, because that shows how long you've been at the top. More than slams, I guess.

But then there's many other ones as well. I feel those two are the most important at the moment.

Aurora
01-31-2009, 08:39 AM
nice interview - very aware of global impact of tennis
(away from press conferences he probably thinks a little different on non-major tournies and who can blame him?)

JediFed
01-31-2009, 08:48 AM
Interesting to see he values the total weeks at number 1 record so highly!

Clydey
01-31-2009, 08:56 AM
nice interview - very aware of global impact of tennis
(away from press conferences he probably thinks a little different on non-major tournies and who can blame him?)

I doubt it. Federer is always honest about his feelings, if nothing else. He clearly values being number 1 and he knows how important MS events are to that.

habibko
01-31-2009, 09:04 AM
can't wait to see the match (1)

Deivid23
01-31-2009, 09:13 AM
Fed will luck out his 14th GS bc favourable scheduling as he did with his 13th GS. Organisers might as well give him the trophy already :shrug:

Certinfy
01-31-2009, 09:13 AM
Lol Fed made me lol, as he kept on saying Nadal had an easy draw. Tho well yh i guess he could say that if u compare the players Fed as had.

FedFan_2007
01-31-2009, 09:16 AM
Fed will luck out his 14th GS bc favourable scheduling as he did with his 13th GS. Organisers might as well give him the trophy already :shrug:

Organizers conspiring to get Federer over the #14 mark. :rocker2:

jcadam2003
01-31-2009, 09:38 AM
Come on guys. The last time Rafa has played a final in an outdoor hardcourt tournament after he got pushed to 5 hours was Chennai 2008 against an average Youzhny. And we all know how that ended.....

Do you think that Rafa really cared about winning the final in chennai? Last year in Hamburg when his number 2 ranking was on the line he beat Novak in a 3 hour slugfest and came back 18 hours later to beat Federer. This time he will have two days to recover. Besides, this is going to be a mental battle more than a physical one. Federer just gets too tight when he plays Nadal. Add to this the pressure that Federer is under to tie Sampras' record, it is going to be extremely tough for Roger. Nadal meanwhile must feel as confident as he has ever been on hard courts after winning an epic match last night against an opponent playing out of his skull.

Nadal has already taken the pressure off himself by saying that he is happy to make it to his first grand slam final and how Federer is the favorite because he is the fresher of the two. If Nadal were to lose, people would say that he was tired and didn't have much left. If Federer were to lose, Nadal would have beaten him in Grand Slam finals on all 3 surfaces and with the likes of Murray and others getting stronger, there would be a lot of doubts whether Federer break Sampras' record, let alone tie it.

So the stakes are extremely high ! Can't wait to watch it!

Aurora
01-31-2009, 09:51 AM
Do you think that Rafa really cared about winning the final in chennai? Last year in Hamburg when his number 2 ranking was on the line he beat Novak in a 3 hour slugfest and came back 18 hours later to beat Federer. yeah, but that was clay - totally different in both physical play and mental side in the two player's heads.
This time he will have two days to recover. Besides, this is going to be a mental battle more than a physical one.I agree. Federer just gets too tight when he plays Nadal. Add to this the pressure that Federer is under to tie Sampras' record, it is going to be extremely tough for Roger. Nadal meanwhile must feel as confident as he has ever been on hard courts after winning an epic match last night against an opponent playing out of his skull.but at the same time:
- Federer feels very confident on hard courts
- Federer can feel very confident in his past with Nadal on HC: h2h is positive ànd won last meeting (granted, over 1 year ago)
- Nadal can feel confident about winning the matches, but his way of playing has been very varying and the level has been worrying: where is his backhand he was playing so confidently mid 2008?
- Nadal forehand isn't penetrating the court consistently and he has shown frustration at his inabilaty to control his shots

Nadal has already taken the pressure off himself by saying that he is happy to make it to his first grand slam final and how Federer is the favorite because he is the fresher of the two. If Nadal were to lose, people would say that he was tired and didn't have much left. If Federer were to lose, Nadal would have beaten him in Grand Slam finals on all 3 surfaces and with the likes of Murray and others getting stronger, there would be a lot of doubts whether Federer break Sampras' record, let alone tie it.

So the stakes are extremely high ! Can't wait to watch it!hell yeah! :rocker2::rocker2: :rocker2:

groundstroke
01-31-2009, 10:13 AM
If Federer is smart he will get involved in extended baseline rallies to increase the fatigue in those steel springs Nadal calls legs.

If Federer is smart he won't get into rallies, he will end the points quickly with a forehand winner, or his backhand (most versatile in the game).

groundstroke
01-31-2009, 10:14 AM
Do you think that Rafa really cared about winning the final in chennai? Last year in Hamburg when his number 2 ranking was on the line he beat Novak in a 3 hour slugfest and came back 18 hours later to beat Federer. This time he will have two days to recover. Besides, this is going to be a mental battle more than a physical one. Federer just gets too tight when he plays Nadal. Add to this the pressure that Federer is under to tie Sampras' record, it is going to be extremely tough for Roger. Nadal meanwhile must feel as confident as he has ever been on hard courts after winning an epic match last night against an opponent playing out of his skull.

Nadal has already taken the pressure off himself by saying that he is happy to make it to his first grand slam final and how Federer is the favorite because he is the fresher of the two. If Nadal were to lose, people would say that he was tired and didn't have much left. If Federer were to lose, Nadal would have beaten him in Grand Slam finals on all 3 surfaces and with the likes of Murray and others getting stronger, there would be a lot of doubts whether Federer break Sampras' record, let alone tie it.

So the stakes are extremely high ! Can't wait to watch it!

Regarding that Hamburg match.. is that the same match that Federer was up 4-0 in the first set, 4-0 up in the second as well?

leng jai
01-31-2009, 10:15 AM
If Federer is smart he won't get into rallies, he will end the points quickly with a forehand winner, or his backhand (most versatile in the game).

We all know Fedmug loses all his intelligence when he plays Nadull.

FedFan_2007
01-31-2009, 10:21 AM
We all know Fedmug loses all his intelligence when he plays Nadull.

Here's hoping that FedMug loses enough muginess to get the frakken job done...

Allez-Ollie
01-31-2009, 10:26 AM
60% believe Federer is going to win the match, me included. Probably in 3, possibly in 4 if Rafa is playing really well.
Congratulations Roger on your 14th Grand Slam title:yeah:

habibko
01-31-2009, 10:29 AM
poll so far:
Federer 64%
Nadal 36%

Primus
01-31-2009, 10:33 AM
poll so far:
Federer 64%
Nadal 36%

It's more popularity contest, than reality vote. 50% - 50% if you ask me.

groundstroke
01-31-2009, 10:33 AM
We all know Fedmug loses all his intelligence when he plays Nadull.

you know that isn't true leng jai, federer tries his hardest against nadal and it just doesn't work sometimes, what can you do? nadal is 22, in his prime, while federer is almost 28, it's not as if federer can completely outplay him, he has to think more than just do what blake does - hit hard and hope nadal makes an error

which you and me both know rarely happens, fed must make sure his FH is on awesome form, his BH is solid and his serve is great

ive only seen nadal bullied by slice consistently through out a match by 1 player, and that was haas last year in that 6-4 7-6 defeat, if federer can somehow try to slice like that, it'll be much easier for him

and its the night when the final plays, the roof is closed, its humid, topspin isn't as effective or jumpy as it is in the day, and hitting flat is more effective

would you rather federer or nadal win?

habibko
01-31-2009, 10:38 AM
you know that isn't true leng jai, federer tries his hardest against nadal and it just doesn't work sometimes, what can you do? nadal is 22, in his prime, while federer is almost 28, it's not as if federer can completely outplay him, he has to think more than just do what blake does - hit hard and hope nadal makes an error

which you and me both know rarely happens, fed must make sure his FH is on awesome form, his BH is solid and his serve is great

ive only seen nadal bullied by slice consistently through out a match by 1 player, and that was haas last year in that 6-4 7-6 defeat, if federer can somehow try to slice like that, it'll be much easier for him

and its the night when the final plays, the roof is closed, its humid, topspin isn't as effective or jumpy as it is in the day, and hitting flat is more effective

would you rather federer or nadal win?

leng jai will love you for that one ;)

Bilbo
01-31-2009, 10:38 AM
If Federer is smart he won't get into rallies, he will end the points quickly with a forehand winner, or his backhand (most versatile in the game).

hitting forehand winners will be very difficult against nadal. you have to out-rally him.

habibko
01-31-2009, 10:41 AM
hitting forehand winners will be very difficult against nadal. you have to out-rally him.

which Federer is very much capable of.

anon57
01-31-2009, 10:48 AM
poll so far:
Federer 64%
Nadal 36%
Fed can kiss #14 goodbye, Curse of the MTF poll to strike again:(

glycina
01-31-2009, 11:41 AM
The result of this poll <Fed vs Rafa> is almost the same as the poll <Nadal vs Verdasco>,n'est-ce pas? Not so much the popularity contest, I think.
So it will be a good match and Roger will win?!

Vida
01-31-2009, 11:56 AM
Vaaaamooooooooooooss!

Clydey
01-31-2009, 12:06 PM
If Federer is smart he won't get into rallies, he will end the points quickly with a forehand winner, or his backhand (most versatile in the game).

Federer has the most versatile backhand in the game? The only area in which it excels is in passing shots. Other than it's practically a liability.

FedFan_2007
01-31-2009, 12:10 PM
Biggest fear - Federer wins the 1st set 6-1, leading 4-0 and Nadal retires due to
cramps/blisters. That would be a devastating way to win #14. I'm actually
praying that Nadal can at least finish strong and Fed beats him fair and
square. I'd hate for #14 to have a big * by it in people's minds.

Caerula Sanguis
01-31-2009, 12:14 PM
I want to see another 5 hours epic 5 setters which ends at 14-12 in the fifth!

Bernard Black
01-31-2009, 12:14 PM
Federer has the most versatile backhand in the game? Give me a break. The only area in which it excels is in passing shots. Other than it's practically a liability.

He over-powered the Roddick forehand with the backhand down the line, very impressive, and rare to see Federer so confident on the shot. It will be a vital component in his annihilation of Nadal (I hope).

He's been hitting the backhand well this fortnight so it's a bit harsh to call it a liability, though, obviously, the forehand is the moneyshot.

Clydey
01-31-2009, 12:21 PM
He over-powered the Roddick forehand with the backhand down the line, very impressive, and rare to see Federer so confident on the shot. It will be a vital component in his annihilation of Nadal (I hope).

He's been hitting the backhand well this fortnight so it's a bit harsh to call it a liability, though, obviously, the forehand is the moneyshot.

Yes, but we all know that Roddick rarely flattens out his forehand these days. It's not difficult to overpower it. It's not a shot that can rush Federer or pressure him on that wing, as it's often short, loopy, and sits at a nice height.

The best parts about the Federer backhand are his control on passing shots and his slice. He defends well with it. However, it's not a powerful shot and there is rarely any danger when his opponent plays to that wing. It's effectively a rally shot on all but the rarest of occasions, when he will crack one down the line.

Michael Armando
01-31-2009, 12:50 PM
heart say Rafa
Head says Roger
still,i'm voting for Rafa in 4 :)

Both my heart and head says ROGERRRRRRRRR
:)

Foxy
01-31-2009, 12:52 PM
Organizers conspiring to get Federer over the #14 mark. :rocker2:

Also the 11th. Check it out.

freeandlonely
01-31-2009, 03:55 PM
another vote
http://www.tennis.com/
43% ATM say Nadal in 3...
I love Roger and a bit biased,but.....Nadal in 3???

groundstroke
01-31-2009, 05:15 PM
Federer has the most versatile backhand in the game? The only area in which it excels is in passing shots. Other than it's practically a liability.

I said this after looking at Nick Bolliterie's (sp) post on his personal blog about Federer vs Nadal.

Who knows more? Nick Bolliterie, one of the best and most famous professional coaches around the world, who has qualifications in tennis training, or.. Clydey, a Scottish... murray fan? :)

Voo de Mar
01-31-2009, 05:24 PM
El toro de España en cinco ;)