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AO rd4 - Nadal def Gonzalez 6-3 6-2 6-4

kyleskywalker007
01-26-2009, 05:54 AM
2 years ago Gonzalez was beating Nadal by a similar scoreline. It's a different story now it seems. I never thought Gonzalez would win this time around but maybe that it would be a closer match.

Nadal: 4 aces, 0 df. 33 winners, 11 UE.
Gonzalez: 6 aces, 2 df. 22 winners, 35 UE.

Hola Mr. SK
01-26-2009, 05:55 AM
Fed was shitting his pants against Birdchoker.Murray's now spreading shit against Verdasco. The solid one wins it all. R Nadal to win OZ open! plain and simple

RagingLamb
01-26-2009, 05:56 AM
Gonzo may not have been so fresh because of his last match, but that was a PUNISHING performance from Nadal.

I wouldn't be surprised if he makes his first AO final this year.

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 05:56 AM
R Nadal to win OZ open! plain and simple

No, Roger will beat him in the final.

rafa_maniac
01-26-2009, 05:58 AM
Awesome display from Rafa against a very dangerous opponent. Gonzo was obviously tired from the other day and came out with a game plan to just unleash on absolutely everything (yes, more than normal), and it worked occasionally winning him a few games, but Rafa is just so good on the offensive now aswell that he was never in danger of losing this. A few issues though, Rafa needs to get more stick on his returns because someone like Murray will eat those returns up, and he needs to get rid of the :retard: drop shots pronto. Otherwise, Vamos champion! :worship:

ChinoRios4Ever
01-26-2009, 05:59 AM
Too fucking good Rafa :worship:

Gonzo great run :yeah: now back in town to win Viña again :D :rocker2:

GuiroNl
01-26-2009, 06:03 AM
Excellent match by Nadal.

Smoke944
01-26-2009, 06:04 AM
Gonzo :hug:
Rest up for Vina :cool:

rafa_maniac
01-26-2009, 06:04 AM
No, Roger will beat him in the final.

I'm waiting for the mad props you were going to give him :D

Hola Mr. SK
01-26-2009, 06:04 AM
No, Roger will beat him in the final.
Fed was shitting his pants against Birdchoker.Murray's now spreading shit against Verdasco. The solid one wins it all. It has to be R nadul:)

HeretiC
01-26-2009, 06:06 AM
How come there is no thread will Nadal lose a set en route to the title yet? :shrug:

leng jai
01-26-2009, 06:06 AM
Same story as the Haas much. Nadull continually relies on the fact that 90% of players on tour can't be bothered smothering his topspin and give up after a while.

l_mac
01-26-2009, 06:07 AM
Rafa :worship:

:lol: @ haters :hug:

http://vamosbrigade.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/rafaking1a.gif

:D

rafa_maniac
01-26-2009, 06:08 AM
How come there is no thread will Nadal lose a set en route to the title yet? :shrug:

Keep those jinx threads away from Rafa ffs :mad:

Nathaliia
01-26-2009, 06:08 AM
Nadal comfortably. Not a big showing by a certainly tired Gonzo, who didn't even have enough power to break a racquet.

Flibbertigibbet
01-26-2009, 06:09 AM
Rafa :worship:

:lol: @ haters :hug:

http://vamosbrigade.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/rafaking1a.gif

:D

That's a hilarious picture of Federer. :lol:

tennizen
01-26-2009, 06:09 AM
Rafa 33 winners 11 unforced errors as opposed to Gonzo's 22 and 35. Good match although he played occasionally:retard: shots

Sparko1030
01-26-2009, 06:12 AM
:hug: Fena :rocker2: Fernando did great at AO 2009 considering the draw.
Some great matches along the way. :worship: Just too worn out and what could he do against Rafa tonight anyway :shrug:

Huge congrats to Rafa-just too good! :bowdown: Now win a new title!!!

Langers
01-26-2009, 06:12 AM
Am I the ONLY one who wasn't that impressed with Rafa?

Thought Gonzo was just A grade rubbish.

BlueSwan
01-26-2009, 06:14 AM
Rafa is my favourite to win this Grand Slam, period.

l_mac
01-26-2009, 06:15 AM
Am I the ONLY one who wasn't that impressed with Rafa?

Thought Gonzo was just A grade rubbish.

I am shocked.

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 06:19 AM
Mad props to Nadal for easily dispatching in-form Gonzo.

Quadruple Tree
01-26-2009, 06:20 AM
Awesome display from Rafa against a very dangerous opponent. Gonzo was obviously tired from the other day and came out with a game plan to just unleash on absolutely everything (yes, more than normal), and it worked occasionally winning him a few games, but Rafa is just so good on the offensive now aswell that he was never in danger of losing this. A few issues though, Rafa needs to get more stick on his returns because someone like Murray will eat those returns up, and he needs to get rid of the :retard: drop shots pronto. Otherwise, Vamos champion! :worship:

If Gonzalez plan was to unleash on every shot, why was he serving up those weak slice backhands to Nadal's forehand all match long?

HeretiC
01-26-2009, 06:20 AM
Thought Gonzo was just A grade rubbish.

More like A+ and that was expected after that 6 setter against Gasquet. But that is not diminishing Rafa's display - much.

Langers
01-26-2009, 06:20 AM
I am shocked.
Serious question. Shocked at what?

rafa_maniac
01-26-2009, 06:21 AM
Mad props to Nadal for easily dispatching in-form Gonzo.

That sounded sincere :hug:

rafa_maniac
01-26-2009, 06:22 AM
If Gonzalez plan was to unleash on every shot, why was he serving up those weak slice backhands to Nadal's forehand all match long?

Because that's all Gonzo can do with his backhand if it comes to him deep in the court? :shrug:

Forehander
01-26-2009, 06:24 AM
Same story as the Haas much. Nadull continually relies on the fact that 90% of players on tour can't be bothered smothering his topspin and give up after a while.

That's the loophole of tennis that Nadal have discovered and therefore why he's dominating the circuit. Players like Djokovic will eventually become better and better. This maybe the final year for Nadal to be the number one player on the circuit.

habibko
01-26-2009, 06:26 AM
How come there is no thread will Nadal lose a set en route to the title yet? :shrug:

Keep those jinx threads away from Rafa ffs :mad:

FedFan why don't you make yourself useful for once and open this very necessary and logic thread?

l_mac
01-26-2009, 06:28 AM
Serious question. Shocked at what?

Shocked that you weren't that impressed with Nadal. :rolleyes:

Gonzo played the same crap he's been playing for about 18 months. He was poor against Hewitt, handing him the two sets he won. I didn't think the Gonzo/Gasquet was of spectacular quality for the majority of the match.

That said, Rafa played well :shrug: It's not like he was just getting the ball back in court and waiting for Gonzo to implode.

And he made only 11 UEs. That's impressive.

.

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 06:29 AM
Federer will still dispatch Nadal in 4 sets. Because he's Roger Frakken Federer.

Langers
01-26-2009, 06:31 AM
Shocked that you weren't that impressed with Nadal. :rolleyes:

Gonzo played the same crap he's been playing for about 18 months. He was poor against Hewitt, handing him the two sets he won. I didn't think the Gonzo/Gasquet was of spectacular quality for the majority of the match.

That said, Rafa played well :shrug: It's not like he was just getting the ball back in court and waiting for Gonzo to implode.

And he made only 11 UEs. That's impressive.

.
I'm a Nadal fan you idiot and I want him to win here. Look at my thread history, half of them are praising Rafa. :rolleyes:

I want him to win here...

Langers
01-26-2009, 06:32 AM
Federer will still dispatch Nadal in 4 sets. Because he's Roger Frakken Federer.
The same one that should've lost to Birdbrain? :wavey:

Henry Chinaski
01-26-2009, 06:33 AM
l mac and her tin hat

l_mac
01-26-2009, 06:34 AM
I'm a Nadal fan you idiot and I want him to win here. Look at my thread history, half of them are praising Rafa. :rolleyes:

I want him to win here...

I thought you were just a Fed hater.

kyleskywalker007
01-26-2009, 06:37 AM
Didn't see the match, but seeing the stats I guess that it was vintage Gonzo, just throwing everything he had with his forehand, and missing more often that not.....
As for Nadal, he is the favorite in my head now...Of course I want Fed to win, but it doesn't sound likely now. Hope he proves me wrong.

bad gambler
01-26-2009, 06:38 AM
Expected one

Langers
01-26-2009, 06:39 AM
I thought you were just a Fed hater.
I most certainly am. :wavey:

bad gambler
01-26-2009, 06:39 AM
Federer will still dispatch Nadal in 4 sets. Because he's Roger Frakken Federer.

Fed doesn't have any chance now :sad:

Quadruple Tree
01-26-2009, 06:40 AM
What is with the fluorescent blue, pink, and green outfits that Nike is giving Nadal? He looks like he belongs in the 80's playing Lendl and Edberg.

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 06:41 AM
Fed doesn't have any chance now :sad:

And that is based on what?

Langers
01-26-2009, 06:51 AM
And that is based on what?
Because his cmons are gay.

Gandalf
01-26-2009, 06:54 AM
Horrible match from González. I wasn't that impressed with Nadal either, but probably he would have got up a notch if necessary.

star
01-26-2009, 07:38 AM
What is with the fluorescent blue, pink, and green outfits that Nike is giving Nadal? He looks like he belongs in the 80's playing Lendl and Edberg.

Just as a tennis fashion watcher: Rafa's outfit looks not even faintly 80s to me. But I'm all for bringing back shorter shorts! :banana:

Diprosalic
01-26-2009, 07:42 AM
why did mats wilander congratulate nadal for his first Aussie Open QF?
or did i hear him wrong?

Tennisman82
01-26-2009, 07:46 AM
A good match, nothing special at all. Gonzo was nowhere near best, otherwise we would’ve gotten quite a treat.

Nadal is playing great imposing tennis, no doubt, but let’s all remind ourselves he hasn’t really played an in-form player yet.

Tennisman82.

madmax
01-26-2009, 08:26 AM
Simon will roast this moonballer just like in Madrid

born_on_clay
01-26-2009, 08:44 AM
We have a new champion :)
Vamos Rafa !

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 08:46 AM
We have a new champion :)
Vamos Rafa !

When did Nole get eliminated? :confused::confused:

Chileno
01-26-2009, 09:05 AM
Expected...those who say they are shocked know nothing about tennis.

Nadal to win the whole thing. Vamos Rafa!

Gonzo, a darle duro a Vina...

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 09:06 AM
Down with stupid vamos topspin!

ORGASMATRON
01-26-2009, 09:09 AM
This was completely expected, Gonzo tired after hislong matc. I hope Rafa makes it to the final now so Roger can **** his ass. But Rafa will lose to Tsonga. Its almost 100% certain.

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 09:10 AM
This was completely expected, Gonzo tired after hislong matc. I hope Rafa makes it to the final now so Roger can **** his ass. But Rafa will lose to Tsonga. Its almost 100% certain.

Stay classy!

lina_seta
01-26-2009, 09:12 AM
Down with stupid vamos topspin!

;)
my sig

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 09:19 AM
Actually I like Verdasco, he hits the ball a lot flatter and doesn't bumroot like other vamos types.

Bazooka
01-26-2009, 09:19 AM
Feña was the highest ranked opponent Nadal has defeated in a HC slam (#14). His previous top ranked opponent was Youzhny (#15) in 2005 AO.

If he defeats Simon, it will be a new record for him (defeating a top ten in HC slam), and a milestone he really needs if he wants to extend his #1 status over the years to come.

reggie1
01-26-2009, 09:26 AM
Never really in doubt as poor Gonzo was too tired after his marathon against Gasquet.

Bazooka
01-26-2009, 09:30 AM
Never really in doubt as poor Gonzo was too tired after his marathon against Gasquet.

He had 48h to rest, and besides, I doubt that could have made a difference. Not a set, maybe a couple games.

orangehat
01-26-2009, 09:35 AM
Gonzo just didn't up his game. His game is really average and not much surprises to throw at rafa. Apart from going a break up in set 3 which he threw away easily.

Commander Data
01-26-2009, 09:36 AM
Rafa looked good but i think Simon will take it to him and Tsonga will finish him off in the SF.

I predict a Tsonga - Federer Final

Bazooka
01-26-2009, 10:08 AM
Rafa looked good but i think Simon will take it to him and Tsonga will finish him off in the SF.

I predict a Tsonga - Federer Final

I hope a rematch against Tsonga, that would really motivate Nadal, and make him deserve the final more than any other matchup. I think Nadal would have a 65/35 against him, as he's much better than last year when he was out of the court before even realizing what was happening, and has already received good advice on how to defeat him, which he applied in IW.

Commander Data
01-26-2009, 10:15 AM
I hope a rematch against Tsonga, that would really motivate Nadal, and make him deserve the final more than any other matchup. I think Nadal would have a 65/35 against him, as he's much better than last year when he was out of the court before even realizing what was happening, and has already received good advice on how to defeat him, which he applied in IW.

definitely! If he survives both Simon and Tasonga, that would convince me, that he can win HC Slams and has improved as a HC Player.

Chileno
01-26-2009, 10:21 AM
Hmm...Simon and Tsonga are no match for Nadal...as much as I like the frenchies...

FedFan_2007
01-26-2009, 10:23 AM
Hmm...Simon and Tsonga are no much for Nadal...as much as I like the frenchies...

All I have to say about that is:

2008 Australian Open SF Tsonga def Nadal 6-2, 6-3, 6-2

Bernard Black
01-26-2009, 10:26 AM
Never in doubt. I like Nadal's chances this tournament, although he hasn't had a stern test yet so we'll see.

federernadalfan
01-26-2009, 10:37 AM
if rafa reaches the final, as it seems likely, he will clinch the title

Sebby
01-26-2009, 11:38 AM
Expected one.

safinafan
01-26-2009, 11:41 AM
Maybe not :smash:

Aenea
01-26-2009, 11:46 AM
definitely! If he survives both Simon and Tasonga, that would convince me, that he can win HC Slams and has improved as a HC Player.

Nadal finished 2008 as the best HC player in the world, 46 of his 82 wins came on that surface. If this was not enough to convince you he "has improved as a HC player" nothing will I guess. Or maybe you didn't know this fact.

SushiMinimal
01-26-2009, 12:10 PM
Same story as the Haas much. Nadull continually relies on the fact that 90% of players on tour can't be bothered smothering his topspin and give up after a while.

you're freaking right. Gonzo made unbelievable shots but that moonballing..... i hate nadullˇˇˇ

Bazooka
01-26-2009, 12:12 PM
Nadal finished 2008 as the best HC player in the world, 46 of his 82 wins came on that surface. If this was not enough to convince you he "has improved as a HC player" nothing will I guess. Or maybe you didn't know this fact.

It is safe to say he has improved, what we will see now is if he has improved enough. I think he has. He really is top four in my book.

richie21
01-26-2009, 12:12 PM
Hmm...Simon and Tsonga are no match for Nadal...as much as I like the frenchies...

Tsonga no match for Nadal on this surface???:eek::haha:

Foxy
01-26-2009, 12:19 PM
Tsonga no match for Nadal on this surface???:eek::haha:

Maybe you are looking too much into last year's SF.
Let me remind you Rafa has positive H2H HC record against both Simon and Tsonga.

Mĺnu
01-26-2009, 12:24 PM
Maybe you are looking too much into last year's SF.
Let me remind you Rafa has positive H2H HC record against both Simon and Tsonga.

Well in 2008:

Nadal - Simon : 1-1 on HC. And Simon is improving.
Nadal - Tsonga: 1-1 on HC. One was close, the other one was a spanking by Tsonga!

I think Nadal is still favourite against both but it won't be easy at all!

Ackms421
01-26-2009, 12:46 PM
Nadal wasn't "the best" hard court player in 2008, but he was "one of the best hard court players" in 2008. Winning the Olympics, Toronto, and having more than respectable showings everywhere else proved that. Also, he beat everyone he needed to on hard court: Tsonga, Djokovic, Murray...

But, right now, he is playing very well, well enough to win the tournament I think. I would pick him over Fed in the final. They haven't met on a hard court in well over a year, and it would be awesome to see them play on a hard court in their current form. If Djokovic gets through instead of Fed, I still see Nadal winning. Nadal has been A+ and Djok has been B-. History tells us that match-up goes to Nadal. :dance:

Commander Data
01-26-2009, 12:54 PM
Nadal finished 2008 as the best HC player in the world.

:rolleyes: If you think Nadal is the best HC player, okay.....whatever....in my ranking he is No. 4. with Federer, Nole and Murray in front. Winning Slams is what it is about my friend.

Aenea
01-26-2009, 12:58 PM
Nadal wasn't "the best" hard court player in 2008, but he was "one of the best hard court players" in 2008. Winning the Olympics, Toronto, and having more than respectable showings everywhere else proved that. Also, he beat everyone he needed to on hard court: Tsonga, Djokovic, Murray...

http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-22/200901221232613234281.html

You can send them an e-mail telling them they were wrong when they claimed that :wavey: Good luck :)

:rolleyes: If you think Nadal is the best HC player, okay.....whatever....in my ranking he is No. 4. with Federer, Nole and Murray in front. Winning Slams is what it is about my friend.

See above :rolleyes:

Commander Data
01-26-2009, 01:12 PM
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/articles/2009-01-22/200901221232613234281.html

You can send them an e-mail telling them they were wrong when they claimed that :wavey: Good luck :)



See above :rolleyes:

I don't care what some journalists write to hype people up. it is not about nr. of wins it is about winning the important matches. Or would you say that the player with the most wins in his career is the GOAT?

Foxy
01-26-2009, 01:19 PM
:rolleyes: If you think Nadal is the best HC player, okay.....whatever....in my ranking he is No. 4. with Federer, Nole and Murray in front. Winning Slams is what it is about my friend.

When did Murray win a slam? I don't remember. I believe winning Olympics on hard (winning 5 best-of-3 matches in 5 consecuitve days and winning then the final in best-of-5) dropping just 2 sets is not that much below winning a HC slam. Quite an achievement. Fed, Nole, Murray where did they get in that Olympics?

Aenea
01-26-2009, 01:21 PM
I don't care what some journalists write to hype people up. it is not about nr. of wins it is about winning the important matches. Or would you say that the player with the most wins in his career is the GOAT?

:lol:

Facts speak louder than words. Nadal won the important matches last year that's why he's #1 now.
But I do understand your bitterness :)

Johnny Groove
01-26-2009, 01:32 PM
Nadal continues to kick ass and take names.

Psichogauchovna
01-26-2009, 01:34 PM
Gonzo :hug:
haters can be happy.

Arkulari
01-26-2009, 01:37 PM
Rafa has proven himself to be a factor on HC, but in that surface he isn't better than let's say Djoker or Roger ;)
now, if we talk about clay or grass then yeah! :rocker2:

Commander Data
01-26-2009, 01:38 PM
:lol:

Facts speak louder than words. Nadal won the important matches last year that's why he's #1 now.
But I do understand your bitterness :)

You have no idea. I'm not bitter at all. Why should I be bitter? My man is going for his 14 th Slam...Besides, I like Nadal due this amazing attitude on court and his kind personality ;)

You like to create confusion, do you? I never said he didn't win the important matches last year, he has, they have been RG and Wimbledon Final as well as the gold metal match. But he has not been won any HC slams yet. Everybody with a sain mind knows that Nole and Fed so far have been the better HC Players then Nadal.

Aenea
01-26-2009, 02:32 PM
Rafa has proven himself to be a factor on HC, but in that surface he isn't better than let's say Djoker or Roger ;)
now, if we talk about clay or grass then yeah! :rocker2:

In 2008 he was, darling :D Did you read the article or only the last few posts? We were talking about 2008 or at least I was talking about 2008. Noone claimed he was better than Rogi on HC in general :shrug:

Some ppl need to learn to read properly :rolleyes:

Arkulari
01-26-2009, 02:40 PM
Rafa won AMS and the Olympics on HC, but he didn't win GS in HC, that's why I say Djoker and Roger are better than Rafa in that particular surface ;)

Rafa was the best player on 2008 and that's why he is #1 right now, but to establish himself as one of the best HC players he needs to win GS on that surface :)

I'm also a fan of Rafa, but I'm not blind to that :D ;)

Ackms421
01-26-2009, 02:50 PM
Right, no one with any sense can claim that Nadal was the best hard court player in 2008. Really, that's insane. Federer and Djokovic won slams, so that's the end of the story. I haven't read the article, nor do I need to. I did watch the year though, and watched Nadal lose at both AU and USO.

He is my favorite player and he is a great hard court player, but he has not proven he is the best on that surface yet. He is in any conversation about who will win any title, and always top 2 or 3, but "the best on hard court," nah.

If you can say being #1 in the world and doing well on every surface makes you "the best" on that surface, then Federer has been the best claycourt player the past five years...

Albop
01-26-2009, 03:02 PM
Expected result and scoreline.

Gonzo :hug:

MalwareDie
01-26-2009, 03:13 PM
Right, no one with any sense can claim that Nadal was the best hard court player in 2008. Really, that's insane. Federer and Djokovic won slams, so that's the end of the story. I haven't read the article, nor do I need to. I did watch the year though, and watched Nadal lose at both AU and USO.

If you can say being #1 in the world and doing well on every surface makes you "the best" on that surface, then Federer has been the best claycourt player the past five years...

Absolutely true. It's just ridiculous some of the things people say.

Foxy
01-26-2009, 03:17 PM
Right, no one with any sense can claim that Nadal was the best hard court player in 2008. Really, that's insane. Federer and Djokovic won slams, so that's the end of the story. I haven't read the article, nor do I need to. I did watch the year though, and watched Nadal lose at both AU and USO.

He is my favorite player and he is a great hard court player, but he has not proven he is the best on that surface yet. He is in any conversation about who will win any title, and always top 2 or 3, but "the best on hard court," nah.

If you can say being #1 in the world and doing well on every surface makes you "the best" on that surface, then Federer has been the best claycourt player the past five years...

There is a difference. Fed has never won the most matches on clay in any year unlike Rafa did on hard last year. Think points-wise. Number 1 is determined by points not the slams. Maybe that's why there is a confusion. I don't care he hasn't won a slam yet he will if not this year then next year. He won in fact the US OPEN Series + Olympics last year. That combination is unique. Do you know why? :) Whatever.

sawan66278
01-26-2009, 03:33 PM
Impressive performance from Rafa. He avenged his thrashing from a few years ago...but NOW the real tests begin. His match against Simon will be an out and out war...be ready for a potential four to five hour match.

If you're a Rafa fan: pray for heat.

Manila ESQ
01-26-2009, 03:35 PM
Maybe the head to head among the contenders can settle the issue?

Anyway, Rafa is doing very well in the AO. Hope he wins his first (of many) HC slams.

meihaditalab
01-26-2009, 03:37 PM
Nadal played amazing tennis. Simon is going to be no match with the way Rafa is playing

NyGeL
01-26-2009, 03:38 PM
Nadal is playing close to perfect. He destroyed Gonzo and he is the 1st favorite as the seed says.

Chileno
01-26-2009, 04:04 PM
Nadal played amazing tennis. Simon is going to be no match with the way Rafa is playing

I agree...Rafa will trash Simon as well...

GlennMirnyi
01-26-2009, 04:06 PM
Thanks for nothing, Flukezalez.

Crazy Girl
01-26-2009, 04:30 PM
Sincerely I was thinking this match in 4 set. Poor scrambled Gonzo.
All those tennis players are sacrificing themselves for Rafa.
:help::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared: :help:

Ad Wim
01-26-2009, 04:56 PM
Maybe the head to head among the contenders can settle the issue?

Anyway, Rafa is doing very well in the AO. Hope he wins his first (of many) HC slams.

Yeah, we saw that with Murray-Verdasco...

Ad Wim
01-26-2009, 04:57 PM
Nadal is playing close to perfect. He destroyed Gonzo and he is the 1st favorite as the seed says.

So many times he played close to perfect in HC Grand Slams, until he got ousted. It's the consistency where it's all about...

finishingmove
01-26-2009, 04:58 PM
not that gonzo didn't try.

but rafa was just always winning this

A_Skywalker
01-26-2009, 04:59 PM
I watched Simon play against Monfils, I can guarantee you that Rafa will beat him tommorow.
Simon is very good player but now he is not in form. He even isn't so consistent like the end of the season last year.
I think the match will be long though.

groundstroke
01-26-2009, 05:01 PM
Easy match for Rafa, Gonzalez was very tired after that marathon vs Gasquet.

Lestat
01-26-2009, 05:02 PM
bah Gonzalez barely beat Gasquet, whou could imagine him beating Nadal? lol

Matt01
01-26-2009, 05:25 PM
There is a difference. Fed have never won the most matches on clay in any year unlike Rafa did on hard last year. Think points-wise. Number 1 is determined by points not the slams. Maybe that's why there is a confusion. I don't care he hasn't won a slam yet he will if not this year then next year. He won in fact the US OPEN Series + Olympics last year. That combination is unique. Do you know why? :) Whatever.


Winning the Mickey Mouse Series is totally irrelvant for the big picture. Winning the Olympics with Fed, Djoko and Murray in the draw was a great achievement though, I'll give you that. He's a very good HC player, no doubt...


Thanks for nothing, Flukezalez.


:lol: Love the bitterness...

ORGASMATRON
01-26-2009, 05:30 PM
Rafa has had the easiest draw in grand slam history. But his luck is starting to run out. Simon will be a test and if Tsonga wins its game over for Rafa.

delpiero7
01-26-2009, 05:35 PM
:rolleyes: If you think Nadal is the best HC player, okay.....whatever....in my ranking he is No. 4. with Federer, Nole and Murray in front. Winning Slams is what it is about my friend.

You mention winning slams then mention Murray :lol:

Murray was nothing until after Wimbledon, so you're comparing him to Nadal at the time when Nadal was at his weakest towards the end of the year, and just when Murray started winning.

Sure Murray has more HC titles than Nadal (8 to 7), but the only ones worth mentioning for Murray are the 2 MS titles. Other than that, the rest have been MM titles. Compare that to Nadal's HC wins, the only MM titles he has won are Beijing and Dubai. Other than that, it's 4 MS titles and an Olympic Gold.

If you mean who is the best HC player judging by who seems most comfortable on the surface, I would probably agree it is Murray. But results don't lie, and over the course of 2008 and the whole of their careers to date, Nadal is a better HC player. Plus, If Gasquet hadn't choked at Wimbledon, Murray would most likely be another Del Potro right now, and not part of the 'Big 4'

Commander Data
01-26-2009, 05:53 PM
You mention winning slams then mention Murray :lol:

Murray was nothing until after Wimbledon, so you're comparing him to Nadal at the time when Nadal was at his weakest towards the end of the year, and just when Murray started winning.

Sure Murray has more HC titles than Nadal (8 to 7), but the only ones worth mentioning for Murray are the 2 MS titles. Other than that, the rest have been MM titles. Compare that to Nadal's HC wins, the only MM titles he has won are Beijing and Dubai. Other than that, it's 4 MS titles and an Olympic Gold.

If you mean who is the best HC player judging by who seems most comfortable on the surface, I would probably agree it is Murray. But results don't lie, and over the course of 2008 and the whole of their careers to date, Nadal is a better HC player. Plus, If Gasquet hadn't choked at Wimbledon, Murray would most likely be another Del Potro right now, and not part of the 'Big 4'

Actually the other way around, I mention Murray then winning Slams...

Anyway. my point was that winning slams is most important. It is about arguening against the claim that Nadal is better then Fed and Nole on HC which seems wrong to me.

Since Murray and Nadal have both won 0 HC Slams they are about equal to me on HC...