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AO 2009: Almost no surprises so far

mgorganchian
01-22-2009, 01:52 PM
This year AO has no/few surprises so far.

IMO the only big surprise was Nalbandian 2nd Round lost to Lu, what do you think?

See the seeded list that is out of the tournament.

10 Nalbandian lost to Lu
16 Soderling lost to Bagdathis
25 Karlovic lost to Ancic
27 Lopez lost to Muller
28 Mathieu lost to Delic
29 Tusunov lost to Cipolla
30 Schuettler lost to Sela
32 Kohlschreiber lost to Santoro

Which match result surprised you most?

Are any other matches for seeded or non seeded players that surprised you?

Thanos
01-22-2009, 01:54 PM
no its been a quite boring australian open thus far. hopefully some big names can fall soon to make it more interesting.

Andi-M
01-22-2009, 01:54 PM
When Nalbandian loses its never a shock when Nalbandian wins its never a shock such is the nature of the man.

tennishero
01-22-2009, 02:01 PM
nalbandian's loss was by far the most dissapointing, but not so surprising.

finishingmove
01-22-2009, 02:03 PM
kohlschreiber losing to santoro

mgorganchian
01-22-2009, 02:03 PM
You are right, he has the game to win to almost everyone if he desires. His "problem" is that he doesn't train as much as other players, but this time I thought he would advance much more as he came from winning a tournament one of the first weeks of the year and this is not so common for Nalbandian.

Any non seeded games that surprised you?

What about Dabul first match?

malisha
01-22-2009, 02:07 PM
This year AO has no/few surprises so far.

25 Karlovic lost to Ancic

30 Schuettler lost to Sela


both Sela and Ancic were favourites before the matches

JolánGagó
01-22-2009, 02:07 PM
in the non-tennis section: Venus defeated by Carla Suarez Navarro.

mgorganchian
01-22-2009, 02:10 PM
kohlschreiber losing to santoro

Agree.

What surprise me is that the 36 year old is still taking tennis seriously... even all the new French stars.

mgorganchian
01-22-2009, 02:14 PM
both Sela and Ancic were favourites before the matches

I agree, I started the thread putting the list of seeded players that lost, the same happened with Soderling loosing t Bagdathis. IMO Bagdathis was favourite.

Who has the betting rates for these matches?

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 02:30 PM
Obviosuly Nalba was a surprise but then again also not. This all means tennis is in good shape and things are really tight at the top. For me its more interesting this way.

nkhera1
01-22-2009, 02:50 PM
no its been a quite boring australian open thus far. hopefully some big names can fall soon to make it more interesting.

It could lead to better late round matches if more seeded players remain

HeretiC
01-22-2009, 02:53 PM
Lopez lost to Muller
Mathieu lost to Delic
Tusunov lost to Cipolla (not that much concidering Dima's form lately)
Kohlschreiber lost to Santoro.

I am never surprised when Nalbandian losses against anyone (or when he wins against anyone, as I like Murray correctly stated).

malisha
01-22-2009, 02:56 PM
I agree, I started the thread putting the list of seeded players that lost, the same happened with Soderling loosing t Bagdathis. IMO Bagdathis was favourite.

Who has the betting rates for these matches?

you can find some here http://tennis.matchstat.com/Event/6370

Bagy was underdog before the match

Crazy Girl
01-22-2009, 03:00 PM
This year AO has no/few surprises so far.

IMO the only big surprise was Nalbandian 2nd Round lost to Lu, what do you think?

See the seeded list that is out of the tournament.

10 Nalbandian lost to Lu
16 Soderling lost to Bagdathis
25 Karlovic lost to Ancic
27 Lopez lost to Muller
28 Mathieu lost to Delic
29 Tusunov lost to Cipolla
30 Schuettler lost to Sela
32 Kohlschreiber lost to Santoro

Which match result surprised you most?

Are any other matches for seeded or non seeded players that surprised you?For me: 10 Nalby, 29 Tursu, 32 Kohl...maybe the biggest.
Yes, for now, almost no surprises at the AO, and almost every match of the "Big" with bum-bum scoring.

Fumus
01-22-2009, 03:01 PM
It's just beginning...

Potential upsets for:

Nadal - against Haas, Gonzo, Gasquet, Simon, Ancic or Monfils.
Murray - against Steps, Blake, Verdasco, Tsonga
Djoko - against Bags or Rod
Fed - against Del Potro, Berdy, Wawa or Cilic

I think what will make it the most interesting however is if all 4 seeds advance. Those are the matches I wanna see.

groundstroke
01-22-2009, 03:59 PM
Gasquet, Del Potro and Tsonga can all win AO if they play to their fullest.

gmak
01-22-2009, 06:10 PM
24/32 seeds through :eek:
that must be a record!

except for Dave's loss and maybe Kohlschreiber's, the rest were pretty much expected :shrug:

tangerine_dream
01-22-2009, 06:19 PM
Why is Nalbandian's loss considered an "upset"? :confused:

mgorganchian
01-22-2009, 06:23 PM
you can find some here http://tennis.matchstat.com/Event/6370

Bagy was underdog before the match


According to ttp://tennis.matchstat.com. So far the surprises in order were:



Pays: 10
Second Yen-Hsun Lu David Nalbandian 6-4 5-7 4-6 6-4 6-2 10 - 1.06 SSS


Pays: 5~6
First Stefan Koubek Mikhail Youzhny 6-3 6-2 6-2 5.03 - 1.18 SSS


Pays: 4~5
Second Fabrice Santoro Philipp Kohlschreiber 5-7 7-5 3-6 7-5 6-3 4.62 - 1.2 SS
Second Amer Delic Paul-Henri Mathieu 1-6 3-6 6-3 7-6(3) 9-7 4.47 - 1.21 SS
First Flavio Cipolla Dmitry Tursunov 4-6 6-2 7-6(7) 7-5 4.45 - 1.21 SS
First Bernard Tomic Potito Starace 7-6(5) 1-6 7-6(5) 7-6(6) 4.4 - 1.22 SS


Pays: 3~4
First Brydan Klein Bjorn Phau 6-4 6-3 4-6 6-3 3.97 - 1.26 SS
First Fabrice Santoro Juan Carlos Ferrero 6-3 6-2 6-7(5) 6-2 3.86 - 1.25 SS
First Brian Dabul Philipp Petzschner 6-1 6-2 6-4 3.37 - 1.32 SS
First Roko Karanusic Florent Serra 6-3 1-6 6-3 3-6 6-3 3.32 - 1.33 SS

Jozie
01-22-2009, 06:29 PM
Why is Nalbandian's loss considered an "upset"? :confused:

Player seeded 10th loses to player ranked 61st????
Player seeded 10th just wins an ATP Tourney and supposed to be confident???

Don't be :confused: this is a surprise to some of us.

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 06:38 PM
Nadal is most likely to be upset. It wouldnt be an upset in my mind but it will be seen as an upset.

dark_ambient
01-22-2009, 06:41 PM
What is this? This is madness! I mean bullshitz! Biggest upset of the tourney: Gooch losing to Simple Simon. No doubt he tanked ofc. :worship:

tangerine_dream
01-22-2009, 08:10 PM
Player seeded 10th loses to player ranked 61st????
Player seeded 10th just wins an ATP Tourney and supposed to be confident???

Don't be :confused: this is a surprise to some of us.
Maybe if you looked at a player's history and slam results instead of going by seed alone you wouldn't be shocked by the obvious.

leng jai
01-22-2009, 11:02 PM
How does dima lose to Crapolla when Haasi crushes him in 1,2,1 in ultra windy conditions?

out_here_grindin
01-23-2009, 12:11 AM
The top seeds are not even being tested at all. No great matches yet either.

mgorganchian
01-23-2009, 12:14 AM
Maybe if you looked at a player's history and slam results instead of going by seed alone you wouldn't be shocked by the obvious.

Who you are referring to. If it is Nalbandian, I still think it is the biggest surprise so far.

These are Nalbandian 2008 GS results:

25-Aug-08 US Open R32 150 14-Sep-09
14-Jan-08 Australian Open R32 150 2-Feb-09
25-May-08 Roland Garros R64 70 8-Jun-09
23-Jun-08 Wimbledon R128 10 6-Jul-09


These are 2008 Lu's ones:
25-Aug-08 US Open R64 70 14-Sep-09
23-Jun-08 Wimbledon R128 10 6-Jul-09
14-Jan-08 Australian Open R128 10 2-Feb-09



But I do not want to talk only about Nalbandian, I want people's opinion regarding if there was any surprise I am missing...

Comparing to other years there are no/few surprises and almost all Top 10 are doing really very good...

It is very strange that so far almost everything is going as expected... and in some cases, top players are doing better than I would have thought. At least I expected some of them to loose a set...


Let's see if today there are surprises...

meihaditalab
01-23-2009, 12:18 AM
Nalbandian for sure

mgorganchian
01-23-2009, 01:00 AM
Have you ever seen Nalbandian GS or Aus open results?
Did you see Lu's ones?

Lu's has 6 1st Round lost and 3 2nd Round... that's all

Aus 2008:
Lu 2nd R
Nalb 3rd R

Aus 2007:
Lu 2nd R
Nalb 4th R

Aus 2006:
Nalb SF

Aus 2005:
Nalb QF
Lu 1st R

Aus 2004:
Nalb QF

Aus 2003:
Nalb QF

IMO Nalbandian doesn't have an average bad GS performance and Lu's ones was too bad so far...

I do not like Nalbandian's attitude towards tennis, but this time your comment to look at his history and slam results instead of going by seed doens't make sense to me...


If Nalbandian is/was a top ten is due that he had above average results in important events as he usually does not play too many tournaments ...

I think nobody could said that Lu had better chances to win than Nalbandian...

Ad Wim
01-23-2009, 01:22 AM
This year AO has no/few surprises so far.

IMO the only big surprise was Nalbandian 2nd Round lost to Lu, what do you think?

See the seeded list that is out of the tournament.

10 Nalbandian lost to Lu
16 Soderling lost to Bagdathis
25 Karlovic lost to Ancic
27 Lopez lost to Muller
28 Mathieu lost to Delic
29 Tusunov lost to Cipolla
30 Schuettler lost to Sela
32 Kohlschreiber lost to Santoro

Which match result surprised you most?

Are any other matches for seeded or non seeded players that surprised you?

Even though 8 seeds out is surprisingly little, all these matches above are pretty surprising to me, except indeed Ancic.

And indeed, a boring start leads to a great finish. And boring start? I've seen some really nice matches already!

Matt01
01-23-2009, 01:44 AM
Gasquet, Del Potro and Tsonga can all win AO if they play to their fullest.


I'm a big fan of Del Potro and Gasquet but....no!

Winnipeg
01-23-2009, 01:50 AM
muller might beat del potro!

Ad Wim
01-23-2009, 02:03 AM
muller might beat del potro!

Did you see that missed sp at 5-4? :eek:

Forehander
01-23-2009, 02:09 AM
Venus william lost to Justine Henin ver 2.0

mgorganchian
01-23-2009, 11:02 AM
This year AO has no/few surprises so far.

IMO the only big surprise was Nalbandian 2nd Round lost to Lu, what do you think?

See the seeded list that is out of the tournament.

10 Nalbandian lost to Lu
16 Soderling lost to Bagdathis
25 Karlovic lost to Ancic
27 Lopez lost to Muller
28 Mathieu lost to Delic
29 Tusunov lost to Cipolla
30 Schuettler lost to Sela
32 Kohlschreiber lost to Santoro

Which match result surprised you most?

Are any other matches for seeded or non seeded players that surprised you?


Still no/few surprises unless:

David Ferrer lost to Marin Cilic can be considered a surprise...

Certinfy
01-23-2009, 06:32 PM
Still no/few surprises unless:

David Ferrer lost to Marin Cilic can be considered a surprise...Hmm... Considering Ferrer's form in 2008 i personally wouldn't say it was a surprise.

habibko
01-23-2009, 07:16 PM
yes no major surprises but that will lead to mouthwatering QF and Semis leading to a climatic final when all big seeds are there, don't worry you shall be satisfied ;)

mgorganchian
01-24-2009, 11:59 AM
yes no major surprises but that will lead to mouthwatering QF and Semis leading to a climatic final when all big seeds are there, don't worry you shall be satisfied ;)

Still no surprises in this round, let's see what happens with Nadal vs Haas.


Next round we will start to see very interesting matches:



Bagdathis vs Djokovic :-)

Blake vs Tsonga :-)

Simon vs monfils :-)


Roddick Robredo

Murray Verdasco

Johnny Groove
01-24-2009, 01:53 PM
12 of the top 16 seeds still alive in the 4th round :lol:

Only #15 Wawrinka (crushed by Berdych), #11 Pics (who's loss to Cilic wasn't too surprising), #16 Soderling (who is as reliable in slams as a used car salesman), and #10 Fat Dave (need I say more :rolleyes: )

2nd week will be mouth watering