TB System will have to be used in the event of both players/teams tipping the same amount of winners in a round.
For each round the manager must decide on 20 SR (set ratio) matches and these should be numbered SR1 > SR20 with SR1 also being a PTS (predict-the-score) match. This should be done for every round (where possible). These selected matches should be considered to be the most difficult to predict in the schedule. However selection of the matches chosen is always at the manager's discretion. For every 1st round of every draw (singles & doubles, main draw & qualifying) players should send PTS scores for all 20 SR matches. This is done to avoid any match being decided by ranking.
The new TT TB System:
Note: Matches with retirement won't count in the TB system.
1. Total # of Set Ratios correct: 1-20 (20 where possible) > if same then
2. Set Ratio shoot-out: 1-20 (compare SR1, SR2, SR3, etc.) > if same then
Note: When both players pick the loser, the shoot-out win goes to the one who gave more sets to the winner.
3. PTS 1 (1-20 in all first round matches)
Both players have incorrect winner in the PTS match: +2 points for every set predicted for the winner
4. Tournament Countback (CB) - # of correct picks from all the previous rounds (qualifying not counted)
5. CB1 (countback from previous round), CB2 (countback from two rounds back), CB3, etc.
6. Steps 1-3 from the previous round(s) (if the previous round doesn't break the tie, then go two rounds back, etc.)
7. Game Difference and Number of Games System (taken from the PTS scores) (If the picked player of either TT-player loses, the match won't count for GD purposes; 20 possible GD matches in the first rounds)
The game difference and the number of games played is used.
example 1
player A - Federer 6-4 6-3 = +5 game difference and 19 games played
player B - Federer 6-4 7-5 = +4 game difference and 22 games played
result - Federer 6-4 7-6 = +3 game difference and 23 games played.
player A -> 2 game difference + 4 games played = 6
player B -> 1 game difference + 1 games played = 2
-> player B def player A
example 2
player A - Federer 6-1 1-6 7-6 = +1 game difference and 27 games played
player B - Federer 7-5 6-7 7-6 = +2 game difference and 38 games played
result - Federer 7-6 6-7 7-6 = +1 game difference and 39 games played.
player A -> 0 game difference + 12 games played = 12
player B -> 1 game difference + 1 games played = 2
-> player B def player A
If there's a tie, the player with the closer game difference will advance. If both players have the same game difference and the same number of games played, then
8. Ranking (the higher ranked player/team wins)
Labamba
12-22-2008, 09:37 PM
new thread for the new season
If you have questions about a tiebreak, ask them here :wavey:
FiBeR
12-24-2008, 01:01 AM
:p found the answer to my question on the rules thread :p
If result of the match is Federer def. Nadal 6/4 3/6 7/6 3/6 6/4
If I pick Nadal 6/3 6/2 4/6 6/1
I guess I will get following points:
+2: because I picked one set for the winner (Federer).
+4: because I have correct order of sets for sets 2 and 3 (I understand order of sets as winner of a set but I am not sure).
+6: because I get correct scoreline for 6/3 Nadal and 6/4 Federer.
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Total is 12 points.
Is my understanding correct ? Thanks in advance for your answer.
Labamba
12-25-2008, 06:00 PM
Total is 12 points.
Is my understanding correct ? Thanks in advance for your answer.
no, total is 15 points (2+7+6)
you have 3 sets in correct order
trucul
12-25-2008, 06:38 PM
no, total is 15 points (2+7+6)
you have 3 sets in correct order
Oops sorry ... You are right. But this confirms my understanding of what correct order of sets is. ;)
Zirconek
02-02-2009, 04:58 PM
2. Set Ratio shoot-out: 1-20 (compare SR1, SR2, SR3, etc.) > if same then
It needs to be more clear. Managers have to check:
a) Correct winners of all matches, and then SR of the matches.
or
b) Correct winner of SR1 match, if the same check SR1, only if still tied then goes to SR2 match...
GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 05:08 PM
It is clear... it's what you put under item B.
Zirconek
02-02-2009, 05:33 PM
Yes, I know it's like in "b", but it should be made more clear like was in previous year's TB threads, especially for the new managers.
I personally think the option "a" is more interesting than the option "b" BTW.
Rik.
04-27-2009, 03:02 PM
63 64 and 64 63 is still the same? :wavey:
Labamba
04-27-2009, 03:56 PM
63 64 and 64 63 is still the same? :wavey:
yes
juakos17
08-06-2009, 11:35 PM
Player A: Haas 6-4 3-6 7-6
Player B: Haas 4-6 6-4 6-3
Result: Haas 7-5 2-6 6-1
Who Wins?
Ozone
08-06-2009, 11:43 PM
Either play A wins (correct order) or it goes to the next shootout.
Labamba
08-07-2009, 09:43 PM
A wins 7-1
Luinir
03-12-2010, 08:47 PM
Player A: 6-4 6-2
Player B: 6-3 6-4
Result: 6-0 6-3
who wins?
savesthedizzle
03-13-2010, 12:20 AM
Player A: 6-4 6-2
Player B: 6-3 6-4
Result: 6-0 6-3
who wins?
Player B :) They got a set score correct :)
Hotzenplotz
08-10-2010, 01:00 PM
Note: Matches with retirement won't count in the TB system.
I'm told this rule isn's actually applied and matches with retirement count in the shootout when players pick different winners or give a different number of sets to the winner. If this is true, please correct the wording of the rule since the way it's written now clearly all matches with retirement are eliminated from any consideration when the TB has to decide a match :)
orangehat
08-10-2010, 01:03 PM
I'm told this rule isn's actually applied and matches with retirement count in the shootout when players pick different winners or give a different number of sets to the winner. If this is true, please correct the wording of the rule since the way it's written now clearly all matches with retirement are eliminated from any consideration when the TB has to decide a match :)
Looks like I remembered it correctly. Retirement counts for correct winner but not if giving a set to winner.
Yes, it seems you're right :yeah: . Anyway, this thread should be updated and renamend 2010 TT Tiebreak System as it seems we don't have a complete overview of that system right now.
Goldenoldie
08-10-2010, 04:08 PM
Yes, it seems you're right :yeah: . Anyway, this thread should be updated and renamend 2010 TT Tiebreak System as it seems we don't have a complete overview of that system right now.
We do in fact have a complete overview of the 2010 TieBreak system in the FAQ/Guide thread here:-
However I've just discovered that the link in the standard tournament thread which we include in post #8 or #9 goes to the old 2009 system and not to the 2010 system, so it's easy to get things wrong.
Perhaps Labamba could amend the standard thread?
juakos17
08-24-2010, 06:38 PM
In my match in Geneva CH
00:00 | (7) juakos17 (CHI) vs. DuncanFerguson (ARG)
Reix vs. Paukku
Gutierrez-Ferrol vs. Bossel
Prpic vs Lopez-Jaen
Belyaev vs. Sadecky
SR differences:
Reix 2-0 v Paukku 2-0
Gutierrez 2-0 v Bossel 2-0
Prpic 2-0 v Lopez Jean 2-0
Belyaev 2-0 v Sadecky 2-0
OOP:
Clement REIX (FRA) vs. Juho PAUKKU (FIN) SR1 PTS
Sergio GUTIERREZ-FERROL (ESP) vs. Adrien BOSSEL (SUI) SR2 PTS
Filip PRPIC (SWE) vs. Miguel Angel LOPEZ JAEN (ESP) SR4 PTS
Alexander SADECKY (SUI) vs. Ilya BELYAEV (RUS) SR6 PTS
i better get my head round this stuff when i'm managing again.
thanks :)
Goldenoldie
08-26-2010, 08:44 AM
i better get my head round this stuff when i'm managing again.
thanks :)
If you use -Evita-'s spreadsheet the SR shootout is calculated automatically when necessary. Only if the match goes to PTS does the winner need to be worked out manually.
Anyone managing without using the spreadsheet has my total admiration (and sympathy) :)
Marto
08-26-2010, 12:50 PM
If you use -Evita-'s spreadsheet the SR shootout is calculated automatically when necessary. Only if the match goes to PTS does the winner need to be worked out manually.
It works best with Open Office Calc which is part of the Open Office suite. It is similar to Excel but free.
Download from
http://download-new-version.com/openoffice/index.asp?aff=11232&camp=yhuk_suitet&se=yahoo
scoobs
08-27-2010, 03:16 PM
If you use -Evita-'s spreadsheet the SR shootout is calculated automatically when necessary. Only if the match goes to PTS does the winner need to be worked out manually.
Anyone managing without using the spreadsheet has my total admiration (and sympathy) :)
true but it's helpful to understand how these things are decided in case anyone does ask ;)
Goldenoldie
08-27-2010, 04:50 PM
true but it's helpful to understand how these things are decided in case anyone does ask ;)
Yes, I spent many fruitful hours studying the tie-break rules before I became a player, and then I studied them twice as hard when I became a manager. :angel:
torochico
09-29-2010, 01:01 AM
Player A: 6-4 6-4
Player B: 6-4 6-3
result: 6-3 6-7 6-4
I need know who wins in this situation, please
Boarder35m
09-29-2010, 01:05 AM
Player A: 6-4 6-4
Player B: 6-4 6-3
result: 6-3 6-7 6-4
I need know who wins in this situation, please
Player B wins :p
Both players have the same numbers of correct winners of sets (1)
In TT 6-3 6-4 is the same as 6-4 6-3, so player B picked 2 scorelines correct, while player A only picked 1 scoreline correct :wavey: