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Miraculous developments on the global warming front!

prima donna
12-18-2008, 05:02 PM
Vegas: Biggest Snow in 30 years... (http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=9533950)
WATCH: NYC May Get 6 Inches Tomorrow... (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aa.Pb5bDzQOc&refer=worldwide)
Chicago: One Foot... (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/snowstorm.one.foot.2.890158.html)
FREAK: SNOW IN MALIBU... (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469164,00.html)Major Winter Storm Parade... (http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&date=2008-12-18_09:10)

Snowstorm hits Las Vegas

'Significant historical event' forces road closures, strands travelers at airport, closes schools

By BRIAN HAYNES
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL


A rare winter storm swept through Southern Nevada Wednesday, dumping the most snow on the valley in nearly three decades, grounding flights at the airport, forcing the closure of major highways and closing schools for today.
"This is the most snow we've had in Las Vegas in almost 30 years," said Chris Stachelski, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service. "It's a significant historical event."

At 9:50 p.m. Wednesday, the weather service measured a record-breaking 3.6 inches of snow at its office location southwest of McCarran International Airport. It was the highest snow accumulation recorded in the month of December in Las Vegas since the start of official records in 1937. The previous record was 2 inches of snow, which fell on Dec. 15, 1967.
The weather service dubbed the storm as "the eighth greatest snowstorm ever in official Las Vegas weather records for any month."
The heaviest snowfall hit the southeast valley, where about 3 inches had accumulated by 7:45 p.m., with unconfirmed reports of as much as 6 inches in Henderson, Stachelski said.
Between 6 to 10 inches could fall in that area by the time the storm tapers off this morning, and the northern and western parts of the valley could receive up to 4 inches of snowfall, he said.
The storm dumped 11 inches of snow on Mount Charleston.
Wednesday's snowfall in the valley also was the most since 1979, when 7.8 inches fell in a 48-hour period, beginning Jan. 30. The record was set in January 1949, with 9.7 inches falling over two days, according to the weather service.
The weather prompted the Clark County School District to close all schools today. A decision was pending Wednesday night on whether athletic events would take place. Bishop Gorman High School and Faith Lutheran Jr./Sr. High School were among the private schools canceling classes.
Parents at charter and private schools should call their school offices for closure information.
Outgoing flights at McCarran were grounded Wednesday afternoon because of the snowfall and poor visibility. Incoming flights were canceled, said Ian Gregor, spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration.
Gregor said the airport doesn't have snow removal or de-icing equipment, which means there's no way for snow-covered planes to leave safely.
Airport officials said normal flight operations would resume as conditions improved.
As flights were canceled, erstwhile passengers lined up in the ticketing area in search of other flights.
A long line snaked back and forth in front of the Southwest Airlines windows, but several people waiting there said they had experienced longer waits on other days.
It was a similar story outside, where stranded travelers waited up to 30 minutes for taxis to take them back to the Strip for one more night. Contrary to rumors of three-hour cab lines, airport officials said the waits were not much longer than they might be on any busy evening.
Among the stranded were Sam and Dawn Wills and their two children, daughter Talia, 3, and son Brady, 9 months.
They staked out a patch of carpet in a second-floor hallway, near some restrooms and drinking fountains, where Dawn spooned orange baby food into Brady's mouth.
They hadn't quite decided, but they were leaning toward spending the night there. To catch the next flight to Stockton, Calif., they had to be back in line by 4 a.m. today.
The kids were handling the situation pretty well, but Sam wasn't sure how much longer that would last.
"We're about 45 minutes from bedtime for him," he said of Brady. "It's a countdown right now."
Added Dawn with a tired smile, "We'd like to be somewhere besides the floor."
The snow also foiled travel for drivers on several of Southern Nevada's busy highways. Interstate 15 was closed at Primm, U.S. Highway 95 was closed from Railroad Pass to the California border, and state Route 160 was closed between Las Vegas and Pahrump.
State routes 163, 164 and 165 were also closed.
All of the closures were expected to continue through the night, the Nevada Department of Transportation said.
For roads at Mountain Springs and Mount Charleston, chains, snow tires or four-wheel drive were required for passage. Authorities reported a smattering of minor, weather-related crashes but no serious accidents.
Transportation department crews were expected to spend the night using a liquid de-icer on part of the valley's freeway system, spokesman Bob McKenzie said. The liquid was to be spread over bridges, viaducts and areas most likely to freeze on I-15 and U.S. 95, he said.
Las Vegas public works crews were expected to be out early this morning and would clear and sand any roads as needed, said spokeswoman Debbie Ackerman said.
Clark County public works spokesman Bobby Shelton said the county's snow-clearing equipment, which consists of two snowplows, two snowblowers and two graders, were all on the outskirts of Southern Nevada, at Mount Charleston, Cold Creek and Columbia Pass. None of the equipment would be available for clearing valley roads this morning, Shelton said.
He advised folks to stay home if possible until weather and road conditions improved.
Forecasts called for a 40 percent chance of rain and snow today, followed by partly sunny skies Friday.
Review-Journal reporters Henry Brean, Francis McCabe, Antonio Planas and Benjamin Spillman contributed to this report. Contact reporter Brian Haynes at bhaynes@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0281.

BigJohn
12-18-2008, 05:19 PM
:rolleyes:

Even school kids know the difference between weather and climate...

There, educate yourself.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

http://weather.about.com/od/climatezones/f/weatherclimate.htm

http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/

http://www.nsidc.org/arcticmet/basics/weather_vs_climate.html

prima donna
12-18-2008, 05:23 PM
:rolleyes:

There educate yourself.

That's amusing coming from the likes of yourself.

~Maya~
12-18-2008, 06:31 PM
The school district declared "snow day" for the first time in 30 years?!!??!!?!

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2008/Dec/Week3/15185655.jpg
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2008/Dec/Week3/15185654.jpg

BigJohn
12-18-2008, 09:40 PM
That's amusing coming from the likes of yourself.

As usual, you are on the wrong side of the issue, make no constructing comments, put forward ridiculous arguments, all the while talking down to people.

Very Dick Cheney of you...

Black Adam
12-18-2008, 09:45 PM
:lol: Have you noticed that recently it's now reffered to as Climate Change instead of Global warming.

GlennMirnyi
12-18-2008, 09:48 PM
But it is climate change...

It's all a cycle... there's major overreaction going on in the world.

JolánGagó
12-18-2008, 09:54 PM
Climate isn't fixed, it has changed many times over millennia. The whole "global warming" affair is a whole BS to push forward certain agendas.

millenium bug anyone? :rolleyes:

BigJohn
12-18-2008, 10:18 PM
If there are agendas pushed forward, they have a lot more to do with trying to deny the human impact on Global Warming or Climate Change or trying to downplay the scientific consensus that support it than anything else.

On this very serious topic, I think the scientific consensus is a bit more credible than some enlightened MTF posters.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

~Maya~
12-18-2008, 10:40 PM
Climate isn't fixed, it has changed many times over millennia. The whole "global warming" affair is a whole BS to push forward certain agendas.

millenium bug anyone? :rolleyes:


True, but in what way? In what way was it changing over time?

Ice melting across globe at accelerating rate, NASA says

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/12/16/melting.ice/index.html


I've watched a very good program on the history channel a few days ago. They showed how the scientists cut the ice into sheets and how much they can learn about the change in climate from it.
If the average temperature of the water goes up just 2 degrees, it can have a terrible impact on the sea creatures. Direct impact can be small, but the indirect impact caused by a chain reaction in biologic disruption could have enormous consequences. Not to mention the impact it can have on numerous other things

It is very disturbing to see that young people are ditching the science when it comes to this issue. What do you think, that all these scientists are hired guns or something? Ridiculous!



If there are agendas pushed forward, they have a lot more to do with trying to deny the human impact on Global Warming or Climate Change or trying to downplay the scientific consensus that support it than anything else.

:yeah:

Zirconek
12-18-2008, 10:45 PM
It has been discussed before, I'm giving a link to a post of mine in that thread that I think shows my view on it, I recommend checking the whole thread though

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=5017605&postcount=20

stebs
12-18-2008, 10:51 PM
Great Global Warming Swindle is just another example of a modern love for conspiracy theories. The program of the same title was even forced to broadcast an apology on channel 4 (UK) for distorting information.

alfonsojose
12-18-2008, 10:52 PM
Ok, since global warming is a lie, it's so right to act like the fucking owner of the planet, destroying forests, drilling hole everywhere, etc., etc. We are destroying it :shrug:

Zirconek
12-18-2008, 10:53 PM
Great Global Warming Swindle is just another example of a modern love for conspiracy theories. The program of the same title was even forced to broadcast an apology on channel 4 (UK) for distorting information.

:lol: great :yeah:

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 12:31 AM
:rolleyes:

Even school kids know the difference between weather and climate...



If it is an event that supports Global Warming theory, then it is due to man-made climate change.

If it is an event that contradicts Global Warming theory, then it is obviously just weather.

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 12:32 AM
Ok, since global warming is a lie, it's so right to act like the fucking owner of the planet, destroying forests, drilling hole everywhere, etc., etc. We are destroying it :shrug:

But we do own the planet.

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 12:40 AM
True, but in what way? In what way was it changing over time?



The sun goes through cycles and these cycles cause significant temperature changes on earth. There is every possibility that recent temperature increases on earth may be caused by the sun.

But big Al Gore says this is not good science and we should not be believing anything other than what he tells us.

Black Adam
12-19-2008, 12:43 AM
But we do own the planet.
That's very debatable. We don't have a more important ownership of the blue sphere than any other living organism. However we are the dominant organism hence we have more control over what happens to the planet. It's not ownership, just dominance over other life-forms.

What Alfonso is probably trying to say is that " with great power comes great responsibility". We are the dominant life form and we should act responsibly.

Zirconek
12-19-2008, 01:18 AM
The sun goes through cycles and these cycles cause significant temperature changes on earth. There is every possibility that recent temperature increases on earth may be caused by the sun.

But big Al Gore says this is not good science and we should not be believing anything other than what he tells us.

When I first read your post, I thought you were talking about the Milankovitch cycle - another scale of time and also related to Earth itself-, with a closer look I saw it was not about it, but what happens in the Sun. Yes, we always have to deal with a lot of factors, which made things more complex.
Do you agree with the snow ball theory? There is a red cap dolomite in Brazil dated to be after snow ball that you would love the plasticity of it (in scientific and artistic meanings) It's located in Sete Lagoas, Minas Gerais.

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 01:32 AM
Do you agree with the snow ball theory? There is a red cap dolomite in Brazil dated to be after snow ball that you would love the plasticity of it (in scientific and artistic meanings) It's located in Sete Lagoas, Minas Gerais.

WOW!!!! I can not make any sense of this snow ball - dolomite reference at all. Did you leave something out?

I went back to that other thread, since the post you referred to quoted me. What interested me most was that I raved about the curves in your avatar. Obviously that has changed, it is now the complete opposite of curvaceous. Do you remember what it was then?

In the other thread I liked the Penn and Teller video.

EDIT: OK, I googled ''snowball earth''. There is lots to read. I am an economic geologist, not a stratigrapher, so this stuff is unfamiliar to me.

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 01:35 AM
What Alfonso is probably trying to say is that " with great power comes great responsibility". We are the dominant life form and we should act responsibly.

What Alfonso says is always conciously or subconsciously sexual. In this instance he just wanted to moan about holes being drilled without him getting his piece of the **** of the planet..

Zirconek
12-19-2008, 01:56 AM
WOW!!!! I can not make any sense of this snow ball - dolomite reference at all. Did you leave something out?

I went back to that other thread, since the post you referred to quoted me. What interested me most was that I raved about the curves in your avatar. Obviously that has changed, it is now the complete opposite of curvaceous. Do you remember what it was then?

In the other thread I liked the Penn and Teller video.


well, there is the snow ball theory, a link with a link :p

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=133951

then the dolomite was built after the severe glacial event.

About the avatar, I can't remember, I'm not at my home right now, I have some old avatars saved in my PC, I'll check when I'm back home.

I like Penn and Teller, and it's funny it sounds like pubic hair in Portuguese (pentelho), which is also a slang for annoying people :lol:
and about snow ball, there is a religion named snow ball church, favourite of surfers and skaters who met/found Jesus, I guess it was founded in California.

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 02:28 AM
It always amazes me how a few geological oddities here and there can suddenly get a new interpretation and suggest a rewriting of earth history. Such as tektites.

I would have to read a lot more on this one though. I know almost nothing about what earth's atmosphere was like back then and how that would have regulated temperatures.

Zirconek
12-19-2008, 02:40 AM
It always amazes me how a few geological oddities here and there can suddenly get a new interpretation and suggest a rewriting of earth history. Such as tektites.
:worship:

there is a supposed varvite in Brazil that is probably only a turbidite :lol:

and the doubtful interpretation makes our science even bigger :D


I would have to read a lot more on this one though. I know almost nothing about what earth's atmosphere was like back then and how that would have regulated temperatures.

me too, I'm more about Quaternary :) my first graduation was Geography, I got interested in palaeogeography (by geomorphology) and then decided to study Geology. :)
but the few I know about the ancient ages is enough fascinating

Richard_from_Cal
12-19-2008, 03:17 AM
:lol:

http://whall.org/blog/files/lolcats-farts.jpg

prima donna
12-19-2008, 04:46 AM
CNN Meteorologist: Manmade Global Warming Theory 'Arrogant'
Network's second meteorologist to challenge notion man can alter climate.

http://businessandmedia.org/images/site_banners/printfriendly2.jpg (http://businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20081218205953.aspx) By Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
12/18/2008 11:02:44 PM


http://www.businessandmedia.org/images/2005/selfpromo.gif
Unprecedented snow in Las Vegas has some scratching their heads – how can there be global warming with this unusual cold and snowy weather?

CNN Meteorologist Chad Myers had never bought into the notion that man can alter the climate and the Vegas snowstorm didn’t impact his opinion. Myers, an American Meteorological Society certified meteorologist (http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/myers.chad.html), explained on CNN’s Dec. 18 “Lou Dobbs Tonight” that the whole idea is arrogant and mankind was in danger of dying from other natural events more so than global warming.


“You know, to think that we could affect weather all that much is pretty arrogant,” Myers said. “Mother Nature is so big, the world is so big, the oceans are so big – I think we’re going to die from a lack of fresh water or we’re going to die from ocean acidification before we die from global warming, for sure.”

Myers is the second CNN meteorologist to challenge the global warming conventions common in the media. He also said trying to determine patterns occurring in the climate would be difficult based on such a short span.

“But this is like, you know you said – in your career – my career has been 22 years long,” Myers said. “That’s a good career in TV, but talking about climate – it’s like having a car for three days and saying, ‘This is a great car.’ Well, yeah – it was for three days, but maybe in days five, six and seven it won’t be so good. And that’s what we’re doing here.”

“We have 100 years worth of data, not millions of years that the world’s been around,” Myers continued.

Dr. Jay Lehr, an expert on environmental policy, told “Lou Dobbs Tonight” viewers you can detect subtle patterns over recorded history, but that dates back to the 13th Century.

“If we go back really, in recorded human history, in the 13th Century, we were probably 7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than we are now and it was a very prosperous time for mankind,” Lehr said. “If go back to the Revolutionary War 300 years ago, it was very, very cold. We’ve been warming out of that cold spell from the Revolutionary War period and now we’re back into a cooling cycle.”

Lehr suggested the earth is presently entering a cooling cycle – a result of nature, not man.

“The last 10 years have been quite cool,” Lehr continued. “And right now, I think we’re going into cooling rather than warming and that should be a much greater concern for humankind. But, all we can do is adapt. It is the sun that does it, not man.”

Lehr is a senior fellow and science director of The Heartland Institute (http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/expert.cfm?expertId=53), an organization that will be holding the 2009 International Conference on Climate Change (http://www.heartland.org/events/NewYork09/newyork09.html) in New York March 8-10.

Another CNN meteorologist attacked the concept that man is somehow responsible for changes in climate last year. Rob Marciano charged Al Gore’s 2006 movie, “An Inconvenient Truth,” had some inaccuracies.

“There are definitely some inaccuracies,” Marciano said during the Oct. 4, 2007 broadcast of CNN’s “American Morning.” (http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20071004161833.aspx) “The biggest thing I have a problem with is this implication that Katrina was caused by global warming.”

Marciano also said that, “global warming does not conclusively cause stronger hurricanes like we’ve seen,” pointing out that “by the end of this century we might get about a 5 percent increase.”

His comments drew a strong response and he recanted the next day saying “the globe is getting warmer and humans are the likely the main cause of it.”

fast_clay
12-19-2008, 05:38 AM
i saw that special on the cut from deep in the permaice... compelling...

all evidence would suggest that the earth recycles itself from time to time, for whatever reason/s, where the less susceptible creatures move through... i dont think for a moment we affect it it as much as we may think, however... it is probably wise to err on the side of safety all the same + i dont think it a bad thing for the earth if humans are not found hardy enough the next time round...

in any case, with well produced hype, US universities could go heavy on the tech side and make a killing selling reuseables to the east... :lol:

BigJohn
12-19-2008, 05:59 AM
CNN Meteorologist: Manmade Global Warming Theory 'Arrogant'


So now that we know the valuable opinions of some of CNN's meteorologists as reported by the Business & Media Institute (more on them later), maybe a more credible source of information could be found...

How about the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Climate Change 2007?

Why? Well...

People from over 130 countries contributed to the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report over the previous 6 years. These people included more than 2500 scientific expert reviewers, more than 800 contributing authors, and more than 450 lead authors.

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/press-ar4/ipcc-flyer-low.pdf

And what do these guys have to say?

IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Climate Change 2007

* Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.

* Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations.

* Anthropogenic warming and sea level rise would continue for centuries due to the timescales associated with climate processes and feedbacks, even if greenhouse gas concentrations were to be stabilized, although the likely amount of temperature and sea level rise varies greatly depending on the fossil intensity of human activity during the next century.

* The probability that this is caused by natural climatic processes alone is less than 5%.

* World temperatures could rise by between 1.1 and 6.4 ̊C (2.0 and 11.5 ̊F) during the 21st century (table 3) and that:

o Sea levels will probably rise by 18 to 59 cm (7.08 to 23.22 in).

o There is a confidence level >90% that there will be more frequent warm spells, heat waves and heavy rainfall.

o There is a confidence level >66% that there will be an increase in droughts, tropical cyclones and extreme high tides.


* Both past and future anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions will continue to contribute to warming and sea level rise for more than a millennium.


* Global atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values over the past 650,000 years

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/WG1AR4_SPM_Approved_05Feb.pdf



This seems to contradict the previous article by Jeff Poor of the Business & Media Institute...

What the hell is the Business & Media Institute anyway?

The mission of BMI is to audit the media’s coverage of the free enterprise system. It is our goal to bring balance to economic reporting and to promote fair portrayal of the business community in the media. Providing resources for journalists, such as connections to sources who can speak intelligently about the economy, is one way we pursue this end. BMI is the economics division of the Media Research Center, and it is the only organization in the world dedicated to the unique challenge of correcting misconceptions about free enterprise in the media.

Ah, it's a right-wing think tank...

Sorry, a very pompous right-wing think tank, a pressure group representing big business. These guys are part of the problem, not the solution.

They are trying to create the impression in the media that there is a major debate in the scientific community about human induced Climate Change. But that is complete BS, the naysayers are a very very small minority among scientists.

This debate is only fuelled by the media. You know, those who claim to be Fair and Balanced :rolleyes: and the likes.

Richard_from_Cal
12-19-2008, 06:02 AM
But it is climate change...

It's all a cycle... there's major overreaction going on in the world....there is a...great spiritual darkness...that...perhaps global warming finds a niche...amongst those with it.


Or: in times of darkness, it's easy to forget things like:


TRZftBMyDjk


...the need to find "Beauty in small things... as in, a song: End of the Day by Al Stewart)

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 01:54 PM
Marciano also said that, “global warming does not conclusively cause stronger hurricanes like we’ve seen,” pointing out that “by the end of this century we might get about a 5 percent increase.”

His comments drew a strong response and he recanted the next day saying “the globe is getting warmer and humans are the likely the main cause of it.”


Global Warming is now religion and Gore is the High Priest. The Gore Inquisition is underway.

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 02:03 PM
There is a very simple way to stop man-made global warming (if it exists) and that is to cut down the earth's population so that those who inhabit it can enjoy it to the full. But, of course, religion makes this a taboo topic and governments are too cowardly to address it.

Why should I worry about the size of my carbon footprint, when fools like Gore encourage large families, thus contributing even more to the problem of overpopulation?

It is not the size of the carbon footprint that is the problem, it is the number of feet.

Richard_from_Cal
12-19-2008, 03:45 PM
There is a very simple way to stop man-made global warming (if it exists) and that is to cut down the earth's population so that those who inhabit it can enjoy it to the full. But, of course, religion makes this a taboo topic and governments are too cowardly to address it.

Why should I worry about the size of my carbon footprint, when fools like Gore encourage large families, thus contributing even more to the problem of overpopulation?

It is not the size of the carbon footprint that is the problem, it is the number of feet.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n8/n41491.jpg

Hister was right, aliens need lebensraum?

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 06:17 PM
I should have known you would have a conspiracy theory (hoax) to cover every topic.

alfonsojose
12-19-2008, 06:32 PM
But we do own the planet.
:rolleyes:
What Alfonso says is always conciously or subconsciously sexual. In this instance he just wanted to moan about holes being drilled without him getting his piece of the **** of the planet..
Viagra overdose :zzz:

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 06:46 PM
Viagra overdose :zzz:

You or me?:confused:

Richard_from_Cal
12-19-2008, 09:31 PM
I should have known you would have a conspiracy theory (hoax) to cover every topic.

Note question mark, at end of post #32, immediately above.

"?" purports a question.


:tennis:


(and anyway...it doesn't mean they aren't there...)

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 09:35 PM
(and anyway...it doesn't mean they aren't there...)

I think I was aware you knew it was an April 1 hoax - until I saw your last few words. You can't let go, can you?

Richard_from_Cal
12-19-2008, 10:03 PM
I think I was aware you knew it was an April 1 hoax - until I saw your last few words. You can't let go, can you?

...She/He got exiled over it. Still alive down there...

...Mycoplasms bioengineered for WWII behind AIDS/MS/ALS/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Spread of AIDS in Africa resembling a Nazi genocide, and then you gotta say: too many feet.

Sorry.

buddyholly
12-19-2008, 11:45 PM
...She/He got exiled over it. Still alive down there...

...Mycoplasms bioengineered for WWII behind AIDS/MS/ALS/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Spread of AIDS in Africa resembling a Nazi genocide, and then you gotta say: too many feet.

Sorry.

Is this alien codespeak or something? I have no clue.

(But I do think I just read somewhere that AIDS has been in humans since the early 1900's. Didn't get a good foothold until people started flying all over the place. That would make it kind of ironic that it was an Air Canada steward that gave it the final push to fame.)

alfonsojose
12-20-2008, 12:40 AM
You or me?:confused:

You, of course :o

Scotso
12-20-2008, 04:42 AM
:lol:

http://whall.org/blog/files/lolcats-farts.jpg

:haha:

That is the cutest thing ever. :yeah:

Scotso
12-20-2008, 05:05 AM
WE HAVE TO KILL OFF ALL THE COWS. Whenever they burp, another slice of the ozone layer disappears and baby Jesus cries.

Ok, since global warming is a lie, it's so right to act like the fucking owner of the planet, destroying forests, drilling hole everywhere, etc., etc. We are destroying it :shrug:

What's the use of resources if you don't exploit them? I definitely think people should be conscious of pollution (though I'm not sure I buy global warming). They also need to consider the fact that protecting areas from smog and such is most definitely in our best interests health-wise.

The crazy environmentalists that are so hell-bent on protecting Earth give me the feeling that they care more about plants than people. If the entire world adopted their philosophy, we probably wouldn't be able to feed everyone.

There is a very simple way to stop man-made global warming (if it exists) and that is to cut down the earth's population so that those who inhabit it can enjoy it to the full. But, of course, religion makes this a taboo topic and governments are too cowardly to address it.

Nuke 'em! :rocker2:

Why should I worry about the size of my carbon footprint, when fools like Gore encourage large families, thus contributing even more to the problem of overpopulation?

I really can't stand Al Gore. Preaching about global warming and telling others that they need to reduce their carbon footprint while he flies around private jets is quite pathetic.

But we do own the planet.

Agreed.

Clara Bow
12-20-2008, 06:21 AM
What's the use of resources if you don't exploit them? I definitely think people should be conscious of pollution (though I'm not sure I buy global warming). They also need to consider the fact that protecting areas from smog and such is most definitely in our best interests health-wise.

The crazy environmentalists that are so hell-bent on protecting Earth give me the feeling that they care more about plants than people. If the entire world adopted their philosophy, we probably wouldn't be able to feed everyone.

Where are these evil environmentalists against responsible farming? I think both sides are too busy pointing fingers.

A shortsighted exploitation of natural resources is not the answer. It is not like if you cut down all the trees there will be plenty mature non sapling trees to fill it up. I just don't understand why some people are so against say--- responsible conservation. But oh no- time to fear the crazy lefties!

As for worrying about exploiting climate change/global warming means people won't get fed- don't really understand that. Climate change has caused some problems in that there are areas that used to be able to grow corps- for example in Africa- that are now more and more plagued by drought. I am seeing that also where I live in Texas. That does equal food.

I guess I just don't understand the hostility at times. The feeling of- it is our planet and we should exploit it!!! Well- we have more people now- and even in the past- people had problems when the over-reached. The Great Plague actually helped prevent a possible great famine because Europe was at the bring of exhausting its agricultural capabilities at that time- and that was several centuries ago. We have since learned more about soil PH and all that curd- so why not use our knowledge and try to be responsible?

Yes- we are humans- and for some- that means we own the planet and are entitled to not give a rats ass about anything else but us. But shouldn't we be responsible? If we know there are a limited amount of resources- what is wrong with trying to be responsible? Why just randomly raze when you can be a little smarter- even if you just care about humans and think who cares about extinction and plants and not having any green around, etc. Still- good to have sort of plant life for humankind, and forest for the future, etc.

I just don't get all the anger towards some conservation efforts or not wanting to have a ton of carbon emissions, etc.

buddyholly
12-20-2008, 12:29 PM
This just out from AP reporter Hope Yen. It is not my comment on global warming, but an illustration of how the media has become so dumb they do not even realise how ridiculous their reporting has become:

''Obama named John Holden and marine biologist Jane Lubchenco to top science posts, signalling a change from Bush administration policies on global warming that were criticised for putting policies over science. Both Holden and Lubchenco are leading experts on climate change, who have advocated forecful government response''.

GlennMirnyi
12-20-2008, 02:52 PM
Ok, since global warming is a lie, it's so right to act like the fucking owner of the planet, destroying forests, drilling hole everywhere, etc., etc. We are destroying it :shrug:

Yep.

We'll have to move from this planet anyway someday.

Scotso
12-20-2008, 07:46 PM
I just don't understand why some people are so against say--- responsible conservation.

Care to point out where I said I was?

As for worrying about exploiting climate change/global warming means people won't get fed- don't really understand that.

I didn't say that, either. I said that if you care more about plants than people we would have trouble feeding everyone. Many of them complain a great deal about clearing areas for agricultural use.

We have since learned more about soil PH and all that curd- so why not use our knowledge and try to be responsible?

I really hope you aren't directing all of this at me specifically, because I said rather clearly, "I definitely think people should be conscious of pollution." I just don't think that we should put the welfare of "the planet" before the welfare of people.

Zirconek
12-20-2008, 11:50 PM
WOW!!!! I can not make any sense of this snow ball - dolomite reference at all. Did you leave something out?

I went back to that other thread, since the post you referred to quoted me. What interested me most was that I raved about the curves in your avatar. Obviously that has changed, it is now the complete opposite of curvaceous. Do you remember what it was then?

In the other thread I liked the Penn and Teller video.

EDIT: OK, I googled ''snowball earth''. There is lots to read. I am an economic geologist, not a stratigrapher, so this stuff is unfamiliar to me.


Economic Geology was one of my favourite subjects, and I used to work with geological mapping (looking for iron for the Chinese :p)

I guess these are the curves, folds somewhere in Namibia :hearts:

Garson007
12-21-2008, 12:44 AM
I guess these are the curves, folds somewhere in Namibia :hearts:
I've seen those IRL. :D :angel:

Garson007
12-21-2008, 12:51 AM
There is a very simple way to stop man-made global warming (if it exists) and that is to cut down the earth's population so that those who inhabit it can enjoy it to the full. But, of course, religion makes this a taboo topic and governments are too cowardly to address it.
Yes, charge fines (or withdraw child support, depending on current policies, etc) and we'll be stuck with 90% of the world population being male. :rolleyes: Do you propose who go around culling poor people? :wavey:

The solution to over-population is expansion - from living on the ocean's surface to orbiting earth in space habitats. Edit: And of course just basic infrastructure.

Zirconek
12-21-2008, 12:58 AM
I've seen those IRL. :D :angel:

I envy you :o it's a natural monument :)

buddyholly
12-21-2008, 10:51 AM
The solution to over-population is expansion

Al Gore would be proud of you.

Hitler too, for that matter.

buddyholly
12-21-2008, 10:52 AM
I guess these are the curves, folds somewhere in Namibia :hearts:

Thanks for the memory jog.

Garson007
12-21-2008, 05:21 PM
Al Gore would be proud of you.

Hitler too, for that matter.
Touche. Hitler's reasoning for expansion was a bit differant though. :p

Bilbo
12-21-2008, 07:34 PM
I guess these are the curves, folds somewhere in Namibia :hearts:

impressive :eek:

do you know the geographic or UTM coordinates?

Zirconek
12-21-2008, 08:37 PM
impressive :eek:

do you know the geographic or UTM coordinates?

No, I've seen it in Davis' "Structural Geology of Rocks and Regions" or a Ramsey's book, can't remember well. Garson007 might locate the place though.

TankingTheSet
12-21-2008, 09:49 PM
This link seems to be a very detailed overview of Namibian geology from a German university (many maps):

http://www.uni-koeln.de/sfb389/e/e1/download/atlas_namibia/e1_download_physical_geography_e.htm

Garson007
12-21-2008, 10:43 PM
No, I've seen it in Davis' "Structural Geology of Rocks and Regions" or a Ramsey's book, can't remember well. Garson007 might locate the place though.
All I'd be able to tell you is north of Windhoek. :p Personally, I found the surface a lot more fascinating, a bit north from that picture, with everything consisting out of flat sharp rocks.

Bilbo
12-22-2008, 09:09 AM
No, I've seen it in Davis' "Structural Geology of Rocks and Regions" or a Ramsey's book, can't remember well. Garson007 might locate the place though.

ah ok, i've only read "Structural Geology" by Twiss and Moores but I think it's the best book.

buddyholly
01-13-2009, 05:12 PM
How is Global Warming theory faring in Madrid these days?

JolánGagó
01-13-2009, 08:26 PM
Well they don't talk anymore about "global warming", that's passé. No it's "climate change" :rolleyes:

buddyholly
01-14-2009, 04:02 AM
Well they don't talk anymore about "global warming", that's passé. No it's "climate change" :rolleyes:

Does that mean whether it is slightly plus or slightly minus on the thermometer we must still say that man did it?

JolánGagó
01-14-2009, 05:49 AM
Does that mean whether it is slightly plus or slightly minus on the thermometer we must still say that man did it?

Yes, 1ºC more in western Amazonia in July means 5ºC less in Madrid in January. Amazonia is being deforested by man, you should know that :rolleyes: