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5 best players on each surface this year

NinaNina19
11-18-2008, 08:10 PM
I was so bored I actually went on tennis talk. I saw this thread on there and thought it was a good idea.

Clay:

1. Nadal by a lot
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Ferrer
5. Almagro

Grass:
1. Nadal :rolleyes: thanks to Federer's shit play at Wimbledon final
2. Federer
3. I'll say Murray because Safin and Schuettler only got to the semis because of lucky draws. Yes, he beat Djokovic but we all know how Djokovic was playing then. Plus I like Murray.
4. Safin
5. Djokovic

Hardcourt:
1. Djokovic
2. Murray
3. Federer
4. Nadal
5. Del Potro/Simon

oranges
11-18-2008, 08:15 PM
:wavey: You've got my vote against all but the very top ACC stars. Why downplay Murrays achievements on clay?

BIGMARAT
11-18-2008, 08:20 PM
I was so bored I actually went on tennis talk. I saw this thread on there and thought it was a good idea.

Clay:

1. Nadal by a lot
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Ferrer
5. Almagro

Grass:
1. Nadal :rolleyes: thanks to Federer's shit play at Wimbledon final
2. Federer
3. I'll say Murray because Safin and Schuettler only got to the semis because of lucky draws. Yes, he beat Djokovic but we all know how Djokovic was playing then. Plus I like Murray.
4. Safin
5. Schuettler because I don't know who else. Gasquet was more impressive on grass play-wise though imo.

Hardcourt:
1. Murray
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Nadal
5. Del Potro/Simon


You obviously like Murray so much.
Murray besting Nole on Fed on hardcourt?

NinaNina19
11-18-2008, 08:21 PM
:wavey: You've got my vote against all but the very top ACC stars. Why downplay Murrays achievements on clay?

? Murray pretty much outperformed everyone on hardcourt in the second half of the season. 2 ms, grand slam final and beat the top 3 on hard courts. Not to mention that he beat both hardcourt slam winners this year twice on hard courts. I bumped him up on grass because he beat better grass court players than Safin and Schuettler.

NinaNina19
11-18-2008, 08:22 PM
You obviously like Murray so much.
Murray besting Nole on Fed on hardcourt?

Maybe Djokovic should have been ahead.

FiBeR
11-18-2008, 08:22 PM
:haha: another fangirlsm thread :spit:

murray n1? :tape:

Djokovic won the AO, TMC and SF of the USO.. how the hell is that better than SF and F of USO?(not getting into TMS levels) :scratch:

where is indoor season??? :scratch:

NinaNina19
11-18-2008, 08:24 PM
:haha: another fangirlsm thread :spit:

murray n1? :tape:

Djokovic won the AO, TMC and SF of the USO.. how the hell is that better than SF TMC and F of USO? :scratch:

where is indoor season??? :scratch:

Murray beat the top 3 on hard court and beat both Fed and Djokovic twice on a hard court. He also has 5 hard court titles this year.

oranges
11-18-2008, 08:25 PM
? Murray pretty much outperformed everyone on hardcourt in the second half of the season. 2 ms, grand slam final and beat the top 3 on hard courts. Not to mention that he beat both hardcourt slam winners this year twice on hard courts. I bumped him up on grass because he beat better grass court players than Safin and Schuettler.

Yep, expect there's two guys who actually have a HC slam title and semi in the other one, but hey, how does that compare to a final and masters ;) His grass ranking is not bad either all things considered :p

NinaNina19
11-18-2008, 08:27 PM
Yep, expect there's two guys who actually have a HC slam title and semi in the other one, but hey, how does that compare to a final and masters ;) His grass ranking is not bad either all things considered :p

OK, you're right, Djokovic should be first. However Fed didn't win a single MS title so I'm not putting him second.

Jaap
11-18-2008, 08:28 PM
Del Pony, Almugro, Schuettler and Safin shouldn't be appearing in any top 5 lists.

NinaNina19
11-18-2008, 08:29 PM
:haha: another fangirlsm thread :spit:

murray n1? :tape:

Djokovic won the AO, TMC and SF of the USO.. how the hell is that better than SF and F of USO?(not getting into TMS levels) :scratch:

where is indoor season??? :scratch:

I count indoor as hardcourt as there are not many carpet events anyway.

oranges
11-18-2008, 08:31 PM
OK, you're right, Djokovic should be first. However Fed didn't win a single MS title so I'm not putting him second.

Of course not, that would be a sacrilege :lol:

NinaNina19
11-18-2008, 08:38 PM
Of course not, that would be a sacrilege :lol:
Points earned on hard courts:
Murray-3305
Federer-2805

Henry Kaspar
11-18-2008, 08:40 PM
I was so bored I actually went on tennis talk. I saw this thread on there and thought it was a good idea.

Clay:

1. Nadal by a lot
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Ferrer
5. Almagro

Grass:
1. Nadal :rolleyes: thanks to Federer's shit play at Wimbledon final
2. Federer
3. I'll say Murray because Safin and Schuettler only got to the semis because of lucky draws. Yes, he beat Djokovic but we all know how Djokovic was playing then. Plus I like Murray.
4. Safin
5. Schuettler because I don't know who else. Gasquet was more impressive on grass play-wise though imo.

Hardcourt:
1. Djokovic
2. Murray
3. Federer
4. Nadal
5. Del Potro/Simon

Djokovic played great grass-court tennis at Queens. He should be higher than Schuettler or Safin, Wimbledon notwithstanding.

BIGMARAT
11-18-2008, 08:40 PM
Points earned on hard courts:
Murray-3390
Federer-2805

Next year and beyond, people will only remember who won AO and US Open and the TMC before they would be interested on who won Cincinatti.

NinaNina19
11-18-2008, 08:41 PM
Djokovic played great grass-court tennis at Queens. He should be higher than Schuettler or Safin, Wimbledon notwithstanding.

He beat Nalbandian, Hewitt, and Tipsarevic.

Montego
11-18-2008, 08:44 PM
Of course it's countable more or less.

By points gathered on each surface:

CLAY

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Almagro
5. Davydenko

HARD

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Murray
5. Roddick

GRASS

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Schuettler (!)
4. Safin
5. Ancic

INDOORS (hard and carpet)

1. Murray
2. Tsonga
3. Djokovic
4. Simon
5. Soderling



These are only points. I am not saying that Schuettler is better than Ancic on grass. But in 2008 it was like that and should give some insight, the end.

MrChopin
11-18-2008, 08:44 PM
You've created a moral dilemma here NinaNina. I would normally file this in the "NinaNina19's going far in the ACC" file, but now I'm not sure you aren't trying to win it.

BIGMARAT
11-18-2008, 08:49 PM
Of course it's countable more or less.

By points gathered on each surface:

CLAY

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Almagro
5. Davydenko

HARD

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Murray
5. Roddick

GRASS

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Schuettler (!)
4. Safin
5. Ancic

INDOORS (hard and carpet)

1. Murray
2. Tsonga
3. Djokovic
4. Simon
5. Soderling



These are only points. I am not saying that Schuettler is better than Ancic on grass. But in 2008 it was like that and should give some insight, the end.

Did Nadal played like 10+ MM hardcourt tournaments?
He did not win nor made the finals of AO, US, TMC, Indian Wells and Miami- The five biggest hardcourt events.

Montego
11-18-2008, 08:58 PM
All tournaments in which players have played were counted. Not only those which were included in the official rankings.

Nadal had:

2200 from GS + TMS + 120 Chennai + 75 Dubai + 400 Olympics = 2795

Fed had:

1880 from GS + TMS + 100 Olympics = 1980

Djokovic had:

2430 from GS + TMS + 135 Dubai + 205 Olympics = 2770

Murray had:

1510 from GS + TMS + 250 Doha + 75 Dubai + 5 Olympics = 1840


Nadal had two GS semis + Olympics + win, final and two semifinals of TMS. Quite respectable

Jaap
11-18-2008, 08:58 PM
Did Nadal played like 10+ MM hardcourt tournaments?
He did not win nor made the finals of AO, US, TMC, Indian Wells and Miami- The five biggest hardcourt events.

Grass
1) Djokovic

Clay
1) Djokovic

Hardcourt
1) Djokovic

Indoor
1) Djokovic



Happy now, mug?

Montego
11-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Did Nadal played like 10+ MM hardcourt tournaments?
He did not win nor made the finals of AO, US, TMC, Indian Wells and Miami- The five biggest hardcourt events.


I counted TMC as an indoor tournament, not hard. I got rankings only for hard and indoors, not for indoor hard.

edit:

and Nadal was in finals of Miami (lost to Davydenko). He won Toronto and was in semis in IW and Cincy. Indian Wells and Miami may be the biggest hardcourt tourneys, but in terms of points they are the same as Cincy or Toronto.

BIGMARAT
11-18-2008, 09:42 PM
Grass
1) Djokovic

Clay
1) Djokovic

Hardcourt
1) Djokovic

Indoor
1) Djokovic



Happy now, mug?
If you can adress at least a part of a real argument, maybe I can give a $hit at your posts.

BIGMARAT
11-18-2008, 09:44 PM
I counted TMC as an indoor tournament, not hard. I got rankings only for hard and indoors, not for indoor hard.

edit:

and Nadal was in finals of Miami (lost to Davydenko). He won Toronto and was in semis in IW and Cincy. Indian Wells and Miami may be the biggest hardcourt tourneys, but in terms of points they are the same as Cincy or Toronto.

Still, He didn't have those big trophies I mentioned to claim the top spot of hardcourt.

BIGMARAT
11-18-2008, 09:45 PM
All tournaments in which players have played were counted. Not only those which were included in the official rankings.

Nadal had:

2200 from GS + TMS + 120 Chennai + 75 Dubai + 400 Olympics = 2795

Fed had:

1880 from GS + TMS + 100 Olympics = 1980

Djokovic had:

2430 from GS + TMS + 135 Dubai + 205 Olympics = 2770

Murray had:

1510 from GS + TMS + 250 Doha + 75 Dubai + 5 Olympics = 1840


Nadal had two GS semis + Olympics + win, final and two semifinals of TMS. Quite respectable


With that Criteria, jelena Jankovic would top even the mens field.

Montego
11-18-2008, 09:48 PM
Still, He didn't have those big trophies I mentioned to claim the top spot of hardcourt.

Yes, but this was only the measure of points gathered in the tournaments in 2008. So - at least theoretically - Nadal was the best hardcourter. But sports doesn't equal theory and imo the best hardcourter was Djokovic then Federer and then Nadal.

These were only the numbers and not my point of view. And numbers said that Nadal gathered the most points from hardcourt tourneys in 2008.

Montego
11-18-2008, 09:50 PM
With that Criteria, jelena Jankovic would top even the mens field.


Why ?

Top5 played only:

3 hard court optionals (Nadal, Roddick, Murray)
2 (Djokovic)
1 (Federer)

So not that much. And only Roddick played two MM (LA and Washington) and Rafa Chennai. The other were Olympics, Doha and Dubai, so quite big tourneys.

BIGMARAT
11-18-2008, 09:58 PM
Why ?

Top5 played only:

3 hard court optionals (Nadal, Roddick, Murray)
2 (Djokovic)
1 (Federer)

So not that much. And only Roddick played two MM (LA and Washington) and Rafa Chennai. The other were Olympics, Doha and Dubai, so quite big tourneys.

But I still dont agree with quantity over quality.

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-19-2008, 03:44 PM
I was so bored I actually went on tennis talk. I saw this thread on there and thought it was a good idea.

Clay:

1. Nadal by a lot
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
4. Ferrer
5. Almagro

Grass:
1. Nadal :rolleyes: thanks to Federer's shit play at Wimbledon final
2. Federer
3. I'll say Murray because Safin and Schuettler only got to the semis because of lucky draws. Yes, he beat Djokovic but we all know how Djokovic was playing then. Plus I like Murray.
4. Safin
5. Djokovic

Hardcourt:
1. Djokovic
2. Murray
3. Federer
4. Nadal
5. Del Potro/Simon

Mostly a fair assessment. Djokovic #1 on hard and Nadal #1 on clay are no brainers.

Bernard Black
11-19-2008, 03:53 PM
Clay:

1. Nadal
2. Nadal
3. Nadal
4. Nadal
5. Nadal

Grass:

1. Nadal
2. Nadal
3. Nadal
4. Nadal
5. Nadal

Hardcourt

1. Nadal
2. Nadal
3. Nadal
4. Nadal
5. Nadal


Great year for Nadal.

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-19-2008, 04:01 PM
Clay:

1. Nadal
2. Nadal
3. Nadal
4. Nadal
5. Nadal

Grass:

1. Nadal
2. Nadal
3. Nadal
4. Nadal
5. Nadal

Hardcourt

1. Nadal
2. Nadal
3. Nadal
4. Nadal
5. Nadal


Great year for Nadal.

Confused?

Jaz
11-19-2008, 04:08 PM
I think we have to diverge two things, a 5-set game, or a 3-set game.

IMO, Federer will beat Nadal, Djo, Murray in a 5-Setter on a Hard court. 3-Setter, I don't believe Djo is better than Murray - Yes he won the TMC (but he didn't play any star players and AO was a long time ago).

Ultimately I believe the top spot is between Murray and Federer, and well, Federer has not played well (TMS), or played brilliantly (USO). Same goes for Murray.

Nadal is undisputed on Clay. Federer undisputed #2 on clay in all formats.

Grass is a complicated one. Clearly there is a huge difference between Nadal, Fed at the top and the rest. It's debatable as to who is better, the Wimbly final was very close and luck was a big factor.

Henry Chinaski
11-19-2008, 04:46 PM
Clay:

Nadal
Federer
Djokovic
Almagro
Ferrer

Grass:

Nadal
Federer
Safin
Ancic
Schuettler

Hard:

Djokovic
Federer
Murray
Nadal
Tsonga

DJ Soup
11-19-2008, 06:45 PM
Indoor

Murray
Federer
Nalbandian
Simon
Djokovic

GlennMirnyi
11-19-2008, 06:55 PM
All surfaces play the same nowadays, why make a thread like that?

I'll separate only this one:

- Water:

1. Hernandez
2. The Gooch
3. Boggo
4. Roko
5. Qureshi

finishingmove
11-19-2008, 07:07 PM
All surfaces play the same nowadays, why make a thread like that?

I'll separate only this one:

- Water:

1. Hernandez
2. The Gooch
3. Boggo
4. Roko
5. Qureshi

i would give roko the edge over boggo, but pretty much agreed.

GlennMirnyi
11-19-2008, 11:30 PM
i would give roko the edge over boggo, but pretty much agreed.

But Boggo is the one with the top 40 talent, remember? :sad:

finishingmove
11-19-2008, 11:33 PM
But Boggo is the one with the top 40 talent, remember? :sad:

i know, it's just my bias...

malisha
11-20-2008, 01:26 AM
Grass:
Djokovic


:rolleyes:

keroni
11-20-2008, 07:44 AM
Djokovic's 12 games taken off Nadal at RG and Rome TMS > Fed's 4 games and no TMS.

opeth84
11-20-2008, 11:35 AM
All surfaces play the same nowadays, why make a thread like that?

I'll separate only this one:

- Water:

1. Hernandez
2. The Gooch
3. Boggo
4. Roko
5. Qureshi

Hahaha i will agree with the Water but surely your exaggerating all surfaces play the same otherwise your boy Nadal would win everthing :)

Guns N Pieces
11-20-2008, 08:54 PM
Clay

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Almagro
5. Davydenko

Grass

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Safin
4. Djokovic
5. Gasquet

HC

1. Djokovic
2. Federer
3. Murray
4. Nadal
5. Davydenko

Allegretto
11-20-2008, 09:08 PM
Grass

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Safin
4. Djokovic
5. Gasquet
:spit:

Guns N Pieces
11-20-2008, 09:36 PM
You're suggesting that Murray was better? :lol:

Burrow
11-20-2008, 09:58 PM
Marat Safin is unbelievable, what a talent.

FedFan_2007
11-20-2008, 11:20 PM
IMHO, there are so few grass events that you have to factor the last 3 seasons worth to find out who is the best. By that criteria:

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Gasquet
4. Djokovic
5. ?

Serenidad
11-21-2008, 12:10 AM
IMHO, there are so few grass events that you have to factor the last 3 seasons worth to find out who is the best. By that criteria:

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Gasquet
4. Djokovic
5. ?

Perfect manipulation of stats to show your denial. I'm not even a Nadull fan and that was painfully obvious and bad.

FedFan_2007
11-21-2008, 12:14 AM
Perfect manipulation of stats to show your denial. I'm not even a Nadull fan and that was painfully obvious and bad.

Are you saying because of 9-7 in the 5th set Nadal is the better grasscourt player? That doesn't trump 5 consecutive Wimbledons.

Clydey
11-21-2008, 12:50 AM
Are you saying because of 9-7 in the 5th set Nadal is the better grasscourt player? That doesn't trump 5 consecutive Wimbledons.

It's the 5 best players on each surface this year, dude. It is pure denial to call Federer the best on grass this year. You cannot take into the account the last 3 years when determining the best player on grass this year.

Guga_fan
11-21-2008, 10:03 AM
Clay

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Almagro
5. Davydenko

Grass

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Safin
4. Djokovic
5. Gasquet

HC

1. Djokovic
2. Federer
3. Murray
4. Nadal
5. Davydenko
My lists would be exactly like these.