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US Open 08 R4: [1] Rafael Nadal grinds down Sam Querrey 6-2 5-7 7-6(2) 6-3

EnriqueIG8
09-01-2008, 08:59 PM
Wow what an amazing match still think that if Big Sam took the 3th he probably could have pulled off an upset.

Warrior
09-01-2008, 08:59 PM
Can't believe that Nadal is actually played worse than Federer.

l_mac
09-01-2008, 09:00 PM
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What a champion, this young Spaniard!

Bilbo
09-01-2008, 09:00 PM
Rafa :D

GuiroNl
09-01-2008, 09:00 PM
Piss poor stuff by Rafa after blowing a 5-3 lead in the second set.
At least he won.

scoobs
09-01-2008, 09:00 PM
That was a very hard slog for Nadal - harder than it seemingly needed to be at 6-3 5-3.

Not his best performance, and Sam went redline for a while.

GinaPL
09-01-2008, 09:01 PM
really entertaining match. Sam had some great moments. but in the end - no suprise ;)

scarecrows
09-01-2008, 09:01 PM
well played Querrey, he had a chance to do a bit more if it wasnt for that 4/16 in BP conversion

Rafa should be thankful for his draw. Playing Querrey (despite he gave all his heart tonight) in 4th round and Fish in QF is the true definition of a mug era

cmurray
09-01-2008, 09:02 PM
horrible display from Rafa. Sam managed the wind MUCH better than Rafa did. His forehand was sailing all day long. He's QUITE lucky he wasn't playing somebody with a good return.

Corey Feldman
09-01-2008, 09:02 PM
what aloada shiet that TB was from Queerey :rolleyes: typical of all the players in todays game :zzz:

moon language
09-01-2008, 09:02 PM
Hideous match. Both guys were sloppy at key moments.

kalisita
09-01-2008, 09:02 PM
Congrats to Nadal for the win.

And big congrats to Sam for how he played. I didn't think he had this match in him.

Sunset of Age
09-01-2008, 09:02 PM
Very exciting match!
Rafa below par, that's obvious - but there should be credits towards Querrey, who absolutely gave his best ever.

Congrats to Raf :hug, kudos to both gentlemen for the entertainment! :hug:

Flibbertigibbet
09-01-2008, 09:02 PM
It really doesn't matter how hard the match was, because he's sure to pick up his game in the next couple rounds, and he has a good draw. Fish, match-up wise, is no problem for him. Del Potro and Nishikori are way too raw to do more than perhaps take a set, and Murray and Wawrinka have a proven losing track record against Nadal. He does have to focus on keeping those forehand errors down, but the first serve percentage is sure to improve (it was fine the first couple rounds).

connectolove
09-01-2008, 09:03 PM
Nadal clearly struggled against Querrey's height. Sam is really good. It was great to see Rafa's relief after he won.

Keep up the good work, Rafa!

l_mac
09-01-2008, 09:03 PM
well played Querrey, he had a chance to do a bit more if it wasnt for that 4/16 in BP conversion

Rafa should be thankful for his draw. Playing Querrey (despite he gave all his heart tonight) in 4th round and Fish in QF is the true definition of a mug era

:hug:

Rafa's draw was tough (for him) on paper. It han't worked out that way and for that I praise the Baby Jesus :worship:

Good play from Querrey.

Rafa was ... very, very bad.

Bilbo
09-01-2008, 09:03 PM
Rafa should be thankful for his draw. Playing Querrey (despite he gave all his heart tonight) in 4th round and Fish in QF is the true definition of a mug era

fish is one of the best players on hard right now. in this form he could beat someone like federer. so i won't say rafa has an easy draw.

platinum
09-01-2008, 09:03 PM
Poor Rafa he has such a tough draw having to play so many *Americans* at the *USO*.....


















:rolleyes:

Chip_s_m
09-01-2008, 09:03 PM
Not too surprised it was a little tight. Sam is a tough matchup for Nadal on a fast hardcourt. Sam is just too tall to be bothered by the spin and Nadal has always had trouble on fast surfaces against hard-hitting players. Plus, Sam played really well and Nadal was off his game. Rafa looks a little tired and if Fish continues to play well and aggresively he could cause some trouble, although I think the Spaniard will pull through. Good match.

Sheva
09-01-2008, 09:04 PM
Querrey:worship:!

He really made an impressive progress in level of play the last year. What a fighter. Some of his winners were amazing! Nadal made a little more UE than he normally does. For me this was the most entertaining match so far!

ghostbear
09-01-2008, 09:04 PM
It was uncharacteristic of Rafa to have several DF's and got broken at love multiple times :o, but he stepped it up when he needed to. :bounce:

Running:Free
09-01-2008, 09:05 PM
Congrats to Rafa for pulling this one out :yeah:

Didn't think Sam was going to take off even a set. He pushed himself today, and there's nothing to be ashamed of :hug:

flower14
09-01-2008, 09:05 PM
aww Sam. :(

Lets go Fish!!!

Flibbertigibbet
09-01-2008, 09:05 PM
Fish has won a grand total of zero sets against Nadal in their four meetings, nor did he fare well in the Masters tournaments. Fish is playing well in comparison to his competition, but really, Nadal is a huge level up in terms of game and mentality (the latter is especially important - Monfils and Blake aren't the most mentally focused players).

Eden
09-01-2008, 09:05 PM
Who would have expected that the match would become so close until the middle of the 2nd set?
Not a good performance from Nadal, but want counts is the win and todays match won't have any influence of his next one.

Credit to Querrey for trying his best and staying in the match :hatoff:

moon language
09-01-2008, 09:06 PM
What was most surprising was Rafa's level suddenly dropping at the end of the second with a string of errors and bad serving. With Rafa's style he can't afford to be hitting errors in bunches with double faults mixed in.

guga2120
09-01-2008, 09:07 PM
Rafa is spent from this year, if he gets to the semis it will be a good effort. No way, he gets close to beating Murray playing like this.

Eden
09-01-2008, 09:07 PM
Poor Rafa he has such a tough draw having to play so many *Americans* at the *USO*.....


















:rolleyes:

Do you like to change his draw and take Davydenko and Djokovic instead? ;)

nateyang
09-01-2008, 09:07 PM
It's like the match is fixed by mafia. Almost whenever Nadal went up a break he had to give it back to Querry. Querry had some good plays but Nadal played well the 1st set and up to 5-3 in the 2nd but down right horribly since.

Richardgm
09-01-2008, 09:08 PM
Horrible performance from Rafa, but hey, he got through. Congrats... Let's hope the fish has a bad showing...

Warrior
09-01-2008, 09:08 PM
It really doesn't matter how hard the match was, because he's sure to pick up his game in the next couple rounds, and he has a good draw. Fish, match-up wise, is no problem for him. Del Potro and Nishikori are way too raw to do more than perhaps take a set, and Murray and Wawrinka have a proven losing track record against Nadal. He does have to focus on keeping those forehand errors down, but the first serve percentage is sure to improve (it was fine the first couple rounds).



Here are the stats

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/day14/1401ms.html

Nadal had more UE 41 than winners 37.

Sure road to the final is easy. But Nadal is not the same player who dominated the summer. His serving throughout USO has been steadily deteriorating.

JoshDragon
09-01-2008, 09:09 PM
Vamos.

Deivid23
09-01-2008, 09:09 PM
Good win for the #1

RogerFan82
09-01-2008, 09:09 PM
Lucky one Rafa !!! Should be ashamed that Querrey hit more winners than him.

tangerine_dream
09-01-2008, 09:09 PM
Enjoyed that match, even though Rafa played sloppy most of the time, but thanks mostly to Sam who, for the first time to me, looked like a real tennis player and not so much a carefree California slacker. Love how he gave it his all. Well done, Sam. :worship:

Rafa needs to recharge his batteries. No more late night dinner and Broadway outings for him. :hug: USO is his toughest slam so I'm happy to see him move on.

EnriqueIG8
09-01-2008, 09:09 PM
Do you like to change his draw and take Davydenko and Djokovic instead? ;)

Djokovic in yesterdays form shoudn't be a big problem for Nadal or Federer.

madmax
09-01-2008, 09:11 PM
well, so far moonballer has played 2 three hour matches against some of the biggest mugs on tour...needless to say he will be smashed off the court by the likes of Djokovic or Federer, if he will manage somehow to rech that stage. Querrey didn't play bad, but he wasn't serving good either, he wasted a ton of BP's and played horrendous tiebreak. As for Nadull - another physically draining forgettable performance, hopefully Big Fish will expose of him at last

Damn
09-01-2008, 09:11 PM
I'm really pleased about the scoreline of this match. Obviously as a Nadal fan I wanted him to win that second set, but anyway, this match is gonna make him step-up his level for the next 3 matches, the really important ones.

I think Nadal's been playing really comfortably (too comfortably) until this match, he was at his 40-50% and it was more than enough to keep advancing rounds in straights without trouble. This match confronting the type of player who can push him on this surface (tall player, powerful serve and FH on his best surface and being supported by the whole home crowd) is gonna make him realize that this is a GS and probably his main goal until he clinches it.

Great work, Sam :yeah: Just not enough to beat the #1.

Lopez
09-01-2008, 09:12 PM
Not very convincing from Rafa, but a very entertaining match!

The thing that struck me most about Querrey was his behaviour on court. He didn't go down on himself like Murray and Nole tend to do after blown opportunities, he kept his cool and stayed with Rafa until the bitter end. No giving up, no major mental meltdown (TB choke, but that can be forgiven). Also I like the fact that unlike most American tennis players, Querrey seems more like a funny geek than an arrogant jock.

Sam may have gained himself a new fan in me, I really liked his mentality in this match :)

Deivid23
09-01-2008, 09:12 PM
Rafa played a bad match overall, he will need to step it up against Fish if he wants to reach the SF´s here

Deivid23
09-01-2008, 09:13 PM
Djokovic in yesterdays form shoudn't be a big problem for Nadal or Federer.

:haha:

acionescu
09-01-2008, 09:13 PM
I couldn't stand watching it from the moment rafa was broken for the 2nd set and I saw the Seppi match till the end.

It was that bad.

scarecrows
09-01-2008, 09:14 PM
fish is one of the best players on hard right now. in this form he could beat someone like federer. so i won't say rafa has an easy draw.

everyone can beat Federer now so I dont see your point
Fish in QF is a dream draw

Eden
09-01-2008, 09:15 PM
Djokovic in yesterdays form shoudn't be a big problem for Nadal or Federer.

Lets not get too far ahead ;) No one is in the SF or final yet.

DhammaTiger
09-01-2008, 09:16 PM
I'm really pleased about the scoreline of this match. Obviously as a Nadal fan I wanted him to win that second set, but anyway, this match is gonna make him step-up his level for the next 3 matches, the really important ones.

I think Nadal's been playing really comfortably (too comfortably) until this match, he was at his 40-50% and it was more than enough to keep advancing rounds in straights without trouble. This match confronting the type of player who can push him on this surface (tall player, powerful serve and FH on his best surface and being supported by the whole home crowd) is gonna make him realise that this is a GS and probably his main goal until he clinches it.

Great work, Sam :yeah: Just not enough to beat the #1.


I totally agree with your post. Rafa needed to be stretched. Well played Querry :clap2:

Rafa is the best Vamos Rafa!!!! :yippee: :dance:

Warrior
09-01-2008, 09:18 PM
Djokovic in yesterdays form shoudn't be a big problem for Nadal or Federer.


Djokovic hits the ball cleaner than both Nadal and Federer. Despite making a lot of UE he would beat them both in this form.

Sunset of Age
09-01-2008, 09:19 PM
The thing that struck me most about Querrey was his behaviour on court. He didn't go down on himself like Murray and Nole tend to do after blown opportunities, he kept his cool and stayed with Rafa until the bitter end. No giving up, no major mental meltdown (TB choke, but that can be forgiven). Also I like the fact that unlike most American tennis players, Querrey seems more like a funny geek than an arrogant jock.

Fully, fully agree. Nice to see a fresh bunch of young guns (Querrey, but Nishikori just as much) making their mark in a GS and NOT MELTING DOWN or starting moaning and bowing their heads when things don't go their way.

Sam may have gained himself a new fan in me, I really liked his mentality in this match :)

Here's another one.

Guille.
09-01-2008, 09:19 PM
Sam:hug:

EnriqueIG8
09-01-2008, 09:23 PM
Djokovic hits the ball cleaner than both Nadal and Federer. Despite making a lot of UE he would beat them both in this form.

Well we will see. Sure he will make it past Robredo but then he'd have to beat Roddick and Federer.

But hell this is a thread about the Nadal-Querrey match, but people are saying Nadal has a cakewalk draw. I don't think anyone who reaches the QF's or SF's of a GrandSlam is a 'walkthrough' and even Fish will give Nadal a fight like Big Sam did today.

juninhOH
09-01-2008, 09:23 PM
that just shows how good he is atm.

he was far from his best and beat an opponent who probably very well to his standards.

Warrior
09-01-2008, 09:25 PM
Well we will see. Sure he will make it past Robredo but then he'd have to beat Roddick and Federer.

But hell this is a thread about the Nadal-Querrey match, but people are saying Nadal has a cakewalk draw. I don't think anyone who reaches the QF's or SF's of a GrandSlam is a 'walkthrough' and even Fish will give Nadal a fight like Big Sam did today.


Fish plays much better than Querrey. Nadal has to raise his game (and I think he will) to beat him. Anyway, it should be a good match.

fast_clay
09-01-2008, 09:26 PM
good show querry... looked a little more taxing than usual this match... the fishmeister would have been enjoying the length sam drew it out to...

moon language
09-01-2008, 09:27 PM
that just shows how good he is atm.

he was far from his best and beat an opponent who probably very well to his standards.

True. He found a way to get the job done while obviously not having a good day.

scoobs
09-01-2008, 09:27 PM
Weird that in the last few days Federer has looked the better of the top 3.

I doubt it will last but worth noting for the record.

platinum
09-01-2008, 09:27 PM
Congrats to Rafa for pulling this one out :yeah:

Didn't think Sam was going to take off even a set. He pushed himself today, and there's nothing to be ashamed of :hug:

Querrey had taken a set off Rafa the last time they played

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=nadal&player2=querrey

Laba
09-01-2008, 09:28 PM
Uncharacteristic from Rafa to fade away when he almost had the second set wrapped up. If he didn't make those errors we aren't used to seeing, he would have been done with it in straights; 2-3-3 or something. Oh well though, Querrey played a lot better than his usual and I guess the challenge and test he provided Rafa with could be beneficial and motivating to come out even better in the QF was Fish.

Btw, can anyone tell me the contrast between the time Nadal has spent on court at this year's Open in contrast to the last two? Just curious.

star
09-01-2008, 09:31 PM
Fully, fully agree. Nice to see a fresh bunch of young guns (Querrey, but Nishikori just as much) making their mark in a GS and NOT MELTING DOWN or starting moaning and bowing their heads when things don't go their way.




I absolutely agree! That was what was so terrific about Djokovic at the Australian Open this year.

Neely
09-01-2008, 09:36 PM
Because Rafa blew the lead and the 2nd set, it turned out to be a quite interesting match after all. Querrey was playing great in patches, and Rafa seemed to have big troubles to be aggressive enough. He could only realize this in patches.

Nadal sucked out Querrey's last energy in the fourth set by holding this long game and saving the many break points of Querrey.

Albatros99
09-01-2008, 09:37 PM
Nadal superiority is becoming insulting. Even playing badly he is able to win matches comfortably. Needs to improve a little bit if he wants to depose of Murray and Federer or Djoko (only if they are at their best). Otherwise it will be a walk in the park even playing at this level.

Bilbo
09-01-2008, 09:37 PM
Djokovic hits the ball cleaner than both Nadal and Federer. Despite making a lot of UE he would beat them both in this form.

like he did in beijing

oh wait...

Lopez
09-01-2008, 09:42 PM
like he did in beijing

oh wait...

Like he did in Indian Wells and Cincinnati :rolleyes:

out_here_grindin
09-01-2008, 09:44 PM
Fish is hoping he can have this form of Nadal.

knight_ley
09-01-2008, 09:46 PM
Great tournament from Sam! :yeah:

HoistDaColors
09-01-2008, 09:46 PM
sam is like the quintessential cool dude from cali. some of the sour puss on tour can learn from his happy go lucky attitude on court. i am surprise by how he dictated some of the rallies, against rafa of all people. His forehand winners in that really long game in the fourth were delicious :lick:.

Albatros99
09-01-2008, 09:46 PM
like he did in beijing

oh wait...

Some poeple have the memory of a fish. Who is Nadal playing next?

Modetopia
09-01-2008, 09:48 PM
winning ugly:eek:

luie
09-01-2008, 09:54 PM
sam is like the quintessential cool dude from cali. some of the sour puss on tour can learn from his happy go lucky attitude on court. i am surprise by how he dictated some of the rallies, against rafa of all people. His forehand winners in that really long game in the fourth were delicious :lick:.


Nadal being out-rallied & out gunned by Querrey.:tape:

jasmin
09-01-2008, 10:09 PM
Rafa wasn't tired or anything. I don't think he was playing bad. I think he was at times outplayed by Querrey regardless of rankings has some skill. Dude has a bright future like Nadal said.

LinkMage
09-01-2008, 10:30 PM
Nice to see Nadull's draw getting so much difficult with each round. This is the 3rd year in a row he gets a total cupcake draw at the USO. :o

spriwi
09-01-2008, 10:47 PM
wow, now i believe rafa can lose to fish :o

Deivid23
09-01-2008, 10:49 PM
Nice to see Nadull's draw getting so much difficult with each round. This is the 3rd year in a row he gets a total cupcake draw at the USO. :o

:haha: :baby:

Your hair must have turned grey with the season Rafa is having, chill out, dude :lol:

moon language
09-01-2008, 11:01 PM
Rafa wasn't tired or anything. I don't think he was playing bad. I think he was at times outplayed by Querrey regardless of rankings has some skill. Dude has a bright future like Nadal said.

I don't know how anyone could say that Rafa wasn't playing bad. He had 41 errors across 4 sets which is way more than he normally has and many of them came on big points. It was a bad day at the office for him, and I don't think Querrey had his best match either really, maybe the wind was getting to them both a little.

dj_mercury
09-01-2008, 11:06 PM
I didn't see how bad was the wind so that could be a factor also, but to me it looked like it was an unispired and struggling Nadal that made look good a normal player as Querrey.

Sunset of Age
09-01-2008, 11:12 PM
I didn't see how bad was the wind so that could be a factor also, but to me it looked like it was an unispired and struggling Nadal that made look good a normal player as Querrey.

I don't think the wind was a factor at all. It was a lot less windy than yesterday, and usually wind doesn't bother Rafa at all. No, it was merely a combination of Rafa playing poorly and Querrey doing well.

moon language
09-01-2008, 11:18 PM
I don't think the wind was a factor at all. It was a lot less windy than yesterday, and usually wind doesn't bother Rafa at all. No, it was merely a combination of Rafa playing poorly and Querrey doing well.

It definitely played with some of the slices at points in the match and both guys looked to be catching some weird bounces at times in the second and third. By the fourth it had totally died down though.

GlennMirnyi
09-01-2008, 11:26 PM
Joke draw for a joke "#1".

Querrey blew this big time but Fish is gonna kill this moonballer next round.

MagicMilan
09-01-2008, 11:30 PM
Well I guess if Novak and Rafa continue to play like this, Fed will win his 5th US easily :shrug:
Please boys, it's time to step it up :angel:

wilmar
09-02-2008, 01:24 AM
Didn't watch the match (just woke up), but Nadal in his presser said that the windy condition was a factor. Also, could it be a mental block becoz this was the round that Nadal was ousted last year? I'm sure it will linger in his thoughts.
Also, Sam probably thought he had nothing to lose and could just go for his shots. That I'm sure will add some pressure on Nadal.
Nonetheless, I'm sure this will be a wakeup call for his next match with Fish.
Vamos Nadal!

Damn
09-02-2008, 01:25 AM
Joke draw for a joke "#1".
We all know that Stepanek would be a better #1, a shame that he doesn't have the level to reach that seat :sad: True disgrace.

Well I guess if Novak and Rafa continue to play like this, Fed will win his 5th US easily :shrug:
You should consider that Nadal playing like he did today (not close to his 50%) will beat this "new" Federer without much trouble.

SheepleBuster
09-02-2008, 01:26 AM
It's all a game man. We all know Rafa's going to win this tournament so yeah. It makes sense for him to show a couple of bad performances to give others like Federer or Djokovic or Roddick hope about their chances in the final. But there is no one under the sun that can beat Rafa in 3 set here it seems. Not Fish, Not Murray, and Not Federer.

GlennMirnyi
09-02-2008, 01:29 AM
We all know that Stepanek would be a better #1, a shame that he doesn't have the level to reach that seat :sad: True disgrace.


You should consider that Nadal playing like he did today (not close to his 50%) will beat this "new" Federer without much trouble.

You're trying to rile me up talking about Stepanek?

Contrary to fanboys like you, I don't care about my favorite player being #1 or #200. I like gamestyles, not numbers in the rankings, like you and your kind.

That said, Nadull has no game or level to be #1. He wouldn't even be top 20 in the 90s.

l_mac
09-02-2008, 01:40 AM
Joke draw for a joke "#1".


:hug:

selyoink
09-02-2008, 03:17 AM
Rafa is spent from this year, if he gets to the semis it will be a good effort. No way, he gets close to beating Murray playing like this.

Murray will bend down for him as always.

selyoink
09-02-2008, 03:19 AM
Nice to see Nadull's draw getting so much difficult with each round. This is the 3rd year in a row he gets a total cupcake draw at the USO. :o

He gets cupcake draws at every slam. He is unfortunate if he must play one difficult opponent per major.

bad gambler
09-02-2008, 03:20 AM
Amazing Querrey won a set

fast_clay
09-02-2008, 03:27 AM
Amazing Querrey won a set

did u get to see it...?

querry played off-tit after he broke to love when nadal served for 2-0 set lead... changed the match completely... another legend aussie coach in the making here...

wouldn't mind some aussie players tho...

:confused:

Tiklish
09-02-2008, 03:31 AM
I think Nadal's been playing really comfortably (too comfortably) until this match, he was at his 40-50% and it was more than enough to keep advancing rounds in straights without trouble. This match confronting the type of player who can push him on this surface (tall player, powerful serve and FH on his best surface and being supported by the whole home crowd) is gonna make him realize that this is a GS and probably his main goal until he clinches it.


When I was watching the first two sets it was like Rafa was winning too easily, without even having to play well or fight for it, and then when he got broken in the second it seemed it was a result of falling asleep from boredom because he had been winning too easily. And then Querrey jumped on the opening and Rafa took a while to wake up from his nap. Hopefully losing a set will remind him to stay focused from now on no matter how things are going out there.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-02-2008, 03:37 AM
this Rafa haters... always find a excuse :rolleyes:

keep rolling Rafa :yeah:

RagingLamb
09-02-2008, 04:16 AM
Nadal looked lost for a good part of the third set. In the end he out-muscled Querry.

rafa_maniac
09-02-2008, 06:11 AM
Watching the replay right now, rafa is quite awful. Looking more like the player of early in the year than the one who has dominated for months. Unless he improves dramatically i expect him to struggle part Fish then lose to probably Murray. Querry is quite handy when going for his shots. Good stuff.

jcempire
09-02-2008, 06:16 AM
Wow what an amazing match still think that if Big Sam took the 3th he probably could have pulled off an upset.

Sam still not enough to pull off an upset

But he could gain lots of experience from Nadal

jcempire
09-02-2008, 06:22 AM
Can't believe that Nadal is actually played worse than Federer.

well, no one is perfect. Look at what this number Nadal make in recent months.

44 win of 45 and 6 titles
Unblievable.

If Nadal takes the US OPEN, He could be the best player in the history, No one do it before Nadal.

Three GS(if he does win USO), + three Masters (plus other two final)+ Olympics

leng jai
09-02-2008, 06:31 AM
well, no one is perfect. Look at what this number Nadal make in recent months.

44 win of 45 and 6 titles
Unblievable.

If Nadal takes the US OPEN, He could be the best player in the history, No one do it before Nadal.

Three GS(if he does win USO), + three Masters (plus other two final)+ Olympics

:haha: :haha:

sawan66278
09-02-2008, 07:01 AM
You're trying to rile me up talking about Stepanek?

Contrary to fanboys like you, I don't care about my favorite player being #1 or #200. I like gamestyles, not numbers in the rankings, like you and your kind.

That said, Nadull has no game or level to be #1. He wouldn't even be top 20 in the 90s.

That said, if Retro-Darcis (aka Stepanek) were on the WTA tour today, he still wouldn't be in the top 10.

sawan66278
09-02-2008, 07:12 AM
Rafa played, in my opinion, his worst match since losing to Seppi earlier this year. No energy...he looked sluggish, his unforced error total was extremely high, he missed forehands he never misses, his serve had less on it than most Williams' sisters deliveries, and he double-faulted at key critical moments (something we're seeing a lot more of...see Wimbledon for example).

Most disheartening: he played SO passively and defensively. This style of play was exactly the reason a player like Ferrer (even with Rafa's knee problems) was able to defeat him last year. Short, short balls...playing WAY, WAY too back on the return of even second serves. Vulnerable to the inside-out forehand time and time again. And being forced to run WAY to much against a player whose own mobility is suspect.

If Rafa played like this against Novak, he would have been destroyed.

That being said, credit to Sam for MENTALLY fighting and staying in there. He played hard and served well...most players at his age and ranking would have thrown in the towel after being down a set and almost a double break. His attitude is what's most appealing. Humble, and a real guy you can pull for...had Rafa lost to him, would not have been overly disappointed. One of the real good guys on the tour.

I don't think Rafa will put in a stinker like this, and Boris Becker has said many times that in order to win a slam, you have to win at least one match where your game is not there...but your heart is being tested. Rafa MAY lose to Fish, but I think he will play a more aggressive game than today.

Forehander
09-02-2008, 07:29 AM
boring match.

krystlel
09-02-2008, 08:01 AM
Not a good performance from Nadal at all. Numerous times he looked to have the match under control, but let Querrey back in with sloppy, nervous play which is so much not like him. Credit to Querrey though, who took advantage of these lapses from Nadal and played at a very high level for his standards. He was sound tactically executing that off-forehand, forehand down-the-line combination well and held up in the baseline rallies better than expected.

HeretiC
09-02-2008, 08:44 AM
Sam did played great and found a way to outplay Rafa, but too bad for him that he couldn't do it consistently through whole match to pull off an upset, cause that what it takes these days to beat Nadal.

FairWeatherFan
09-02-2008, 09:45 AM
Querrey has a very entertaining attacking game and is a lot of fun to watch. Disappointed that he could not win this one, but this performance should go a way to rebutting those who deride him as an all-serve mug.

GlennMirnyi
09-02-2008, 11:57 AM
That said, if Retro-Darcis (aka Stepanek) were on the WTA tour today, he still wouldn't be in the top 10.

Are you kinda :retard:ed or just plain :cuckoo:?

Steps > Nadull anytime on fast courts.

vucina
09-02-2008, 12:41 PM
Are you kinda :retard:ed or just plain :cuckoo:?

Steps > Nadull anytime on fast courts.

Stepanek can be fun to watch, but his game doesn't work, and it belongs in a museum. He wouldn't take more than 5,6 games against Nadal.

Aenea
09-02-2008, 01:39 PM
You're trying to rile me up talking about Stepanek?

Contrary to fanboys like you, I don't care about my favorite player being #1 or #200. I like gamestyles, not numbers in the rankings, like you and your kind.

That said, Nadull has no game or level to be #1. He wouldn't even be top 20 in the 90s.

Some people seem to be stuck in the past forever. They don't realize the world is moving on and things are even changing as the time passes. Back in the 90's? And how many of the 90s #1s would cope well with today's powerful tennis and would be in 2008s top 20?

Yeah, yeah I know you'll come up again with that "dead of the real tennis :sobbing:" rubbish.

Wake up, man. Panta rhei (Everything is in a state of flux)

jasmin
09-02-2008, 01:46 PM
Rafa's the 'it' child this year so it doesn't matter what happened in the match he'll probably win.

If nadal wins how from one year of dominating does this make him the best in history over all those players who had way more dominating years and slams?

Aenea
09-02-2008, 02:18 PM
Rafa's the 'it' child this year so it doesn't matter what happened in the match he'll probably win.

If nadal wins how from one year of dominating does this make him the best in history over all those players who had way more dominating years and slams?

No one has won FO, Wimbledon and US Open in the same year since those tournaments are played on different surfaces.

jasmin
09-02-2008, 02:23 PM
He would be the best player at this moment like Fed was for 4 years but he would be the best player in history.

rafa_maniac
09-02-2008, 02:29 PM
Wait, whose calling Rafa the best player in history? :retard:

FedFan
09-02-2008, 02:35 PM
Rafa's the 'it' child this year so it doesn't matter what happened in the match he'll probably win.

If nadal wins how from one year of dominating does this make him the best in history over all those players who had way more dominating years and slams?

Besides that he is once again unbelievably lucky with the draw, if you want to call it luck. How many seeds has he played? How many of the remaining seeds in his half have beaten him before? Would he have won against Cilic?

Aenea
09-02-2008, 02:38 PM
Besides that he is once again unbelievably lucky with the draw, if you want to call it luck. How many seeds has he played? How many of the remaining seeds in his half have beaten him before? Would he have won against Cilic?

He can play only those who make it to him :shrug: It's not his fault the seeds couldn't.

As for Cilic, maybe, maybe not. We'll never know.

FedFan
09-02-2008, 02:42 PM
He can play only those who make it to him :shrug: It's not his fault the seeds couldn't.

You are right, yes. Don't be angry, but sometimes it seems a little bit fishy to me.

At the slams uncle Tony always makes the draw and Nadal the blog. ;)

jasmin
09-02-2008, 02:44 PM
Wait, whose calling Rafa the best player in history? :retard:

I know..that's crazy isn't it.

rafa_maniac
09-02-2008, 03:01 PM
Besides that he is once again unbelievably lucky with the draw, if you want to call it luck. How many seeds has he played? How many of the remaining seeds in his half have beaten him before? Would he have won against Cilic?

He could only have played two seeds considering he just passed the fourth round, low ones at that. Those players weren't playing as well as non seeds, hence they lost.

Not many players have good records against Nadal, that's nothing to do with "luck".

Why on earth would he have lost to Cilic?

Anything else to :baby: :crying2: about?

:wavey:

rafa_maniac
09-02-2008, 03:03 PM
You are right, yes. Don't be angry, but sometimes it seems a little bit fishy to me.

At the slams uncle Tony always makes the draw and Nadal the blog. ;)

This coming from a fan of a player who made two Grand Slam finals this year beating no top ten players, and only one top twenty player in both runs :retard:

Boarder35m
09-02-2008, 03:12 PM
Besides that he is once again unbelievably lucky with the draw, if you want to call it luck. How many seeds has he played? How many of the remaining seeds in his half have beaten him before? Would he have won against Cilic?

I really donīt get your logic. If a seed falls to a non seed the non seed must have played better. Therefore it is very strange to judge a player by the number of seeds heīs won against.

If Fish would beat Nadal and Federer in a row he would surely be an opponent who is at that moment more dangerous than a seeded Djokovic. (you can change the names of the player if you prefer :p)

If you continue to say that in the next round Djokovic "only" wins against Fish this is just completely stupid, since it has been him wo has beaten the other players before.

spriwi
09-02-2008, 03:29 PM
Are you kinda :retard:ed or just plain :cuckoo:?

Steps > Nadull anytime on fast courts.

2005 ATP Masters Series Madrid
Spain Hard QF Nadal def Stepane 7-6(9) 6-4

and even faster

2004 CZE v. ESP WG 1st RD
Czechoslovakia Carpet RR Nadal def Stepanek 7-6(2) 7-6(4) 6-3

Are you kinda :retard:ed or just plain :cuckoo:? or maybe reality doesnt matter tonight for you? he never lost a set to him :wavey:

FedFan
09-02-2008, 03:29 PM
I really donīt get your logic. If a seed falls to a non seed the non seed must have played better. Therefore it is very strange to judge a player by the number of seeds heīs won against.

If Fish would beat Nadal and Federer in a row he would surely be an opponent who is at that moment more dangerous than a seeded Djokovic. (you can change the names of the player if you prefer :p)

If you continue to say that in the next round Djokovic "only" wins against Fish this is just completely stupid, since it has been him wo has beaten the other players before.


Yes, but the seeds fall, because they are obviously weaker than the seeds in an other section of the draw. There are stronger players than Blake, Nalbandian ore Monfils for sure.

l_mac
09-02-2008, 03:39 PM
Love this thread.

Boarder35m
09-02-2008, 04:05 PM
Yes, but the seeds fall, because they are obviously weaker than the seeds in an other section of the draw. There are stronger players than Blake, Nalbandian ore Monfils for sure.

No I still disagree. A seeded falls because he has in that very moment lost to a player who is better. Noone can tell whether for example Ferrer would have lost to someone else, too, but that doesnīt matter since he had to win his own match.

I just canīt understand all those draw discussions. If a players wins a lot of matches he will rise in the ranking and he will be seeded. In a grand slam tournament he could get an opponent who is also seeded from the 3rd round on. Of course would that opponent be lower seeded and he will -however the tournament is going on- get a top 4 opponent only in the semis.

But being seeded doesnīt mean that automatically you will get into the next round. You will allways have to win, thatīs the aim of the game.

One could only follow your argument if it would be a round robin tournament where everyone plays against everyone.

As much as you canīt "know" if some player would have won in another section of the draw, you canīt know if Monfils or Blake might just have won against a different opponent in another section of the draw.

wilmar
09-02-2008, 04:19 PM
Besides that he is once again unbelievably lucky with the draw, if you want to call it luck. How many seeds has he played? How many of the remaining seeds in his half have beaten him before? Would he have won against Cilic?

If you want to call it luck at all, Federer has been enjoying this same luck as well when he's seeded #1 the past four years and 18 Slams. By the law of probability the #1 will generally get an easier path since the draw is done top down.

So if and when Federer regains back the #1 ranking, he'll enjoy that luck again. Until then....

FedFan
09-02-2008, 04:41 PM
No I still disagree. A seeded falls because he has in that very moment lost to a player who is better. Noone can tell whether for example Ferrer would have lost to someone else, too, but that doesnīt matter since he had to win his own match.

I just canīt understand all those draw discussions. If a players wins a lot of matches he will rise in the ranking and he will be seeded. In a grand slam tournament he could get an opponent who is also seeded from the 3rd round on. Of course would that opponent be lower seeded and he will -however the tournament is going on- get a top 4 opponent only in the semis.

But being seeded doesnīt mean that automatically you will get into the next round. You will allways have to win, thatīs the aim of the game.

One could only follow your argument if it would be a round robin tournament where everyone plays against everyone.

As much as you canīt "know" if some player would have won in another section of the draw, you canīt know if Monfils or Blake might just have won against a different opponent in another section of the draw.

It is a difference if you play a clay courter on a faster surface or a specialist for example. I think you will agree with that. Seeded players are often more experienced and mentally thougher if it comes to a decisive phase of a match.
If the draw is favourable an outsider can make it far. Nadal could play two times against an absolutely outsider this year, Tsonga and Schuettler. Is this luck or does it mean that his half was maybe not as strong as the other?
Why are Federer and Djokovic three times in the same half always on a faster surface? Only in Paris, where Nadal is the overhelming favourite, the Serb landed in his section.
Look at Nadals AO and US Open 2008 draw and you may agree that he was clearly "luckier" than Federer, Djokovic, Roddick or Ferrer.

Boarder35m
09-02-2008, 04:53 PM
It is a difference if you play a clay courter on a faster surface or a specialist for example. I think you will agree with that. Seeded players are often more experienced and mentally thougher if it comes to a decisive phase of a match.
If the draw is favourable an outsider can make it far. Nadal could play two times against an absolutely outsider this year, Tsonga and Schuettler. Is this luck or does it mean that his half was maybe not as strong as the other?
Why are Federer and Djokovic three times in the same half always on a faster surface? Only in Paris, where Nadal is the overhelming favourite, the Serb landed in his section.
Look at Nadals AO and US Open 2008 draw and you may agree that he was clearly "luckier" than Federer, Djokovic, Roddick or Ferrer.

Well I donīt want to speak in favour of Nadal, but I still donīt get this argument.

Tsonga is a very good example. Of course you can say that he was an outsider by the beginning of the year, but that doesnīt make hime a weak player, since he won against seeded players. I mean how do you know that If for example Federer had to play Tsonga that Federer had won.

I agree that certain playrs have favourite surfaces and they seem to play better on them, but still they do have to win every match to reach the final. It is for sure not easy to play against the crowd like Nadal did against Querrey. Maybe it was easier for Murray to win against Wawrinka, than to win against Querrey, since the crowd didnīt have a favourite.

I guess it come down to the point where I say that you may have luck with some opponents in a tournament but just his ranking points doesnīt show that a player played good on a certain day. I think that the ATP ranking list is something fluent, that chnages every day and you canīt say that just because youīve reached a certain point you will allways win. You need to proof that every day. Therefore a match against an opponent who is ranked far worse than some other player may be a much bigger task on one certain day.

sawan66278
09-02-2008, 05:07 PM
Are you kinda :retard:ed or just plain :cuckoo:?

Steps > Nadull anytime on fast courts.

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::h aha:

Stepanek can be fun to watch, but his game doesn't work, and it belongs in a museum. He wouldn't take more than 5,6 games against Nadal.

Retro-Darcis would be lucky to win against Serena or Venus Williams with his game. I'd say...hmmm...he'd be ranked three or four on the WTA Tour in 2008. Maybe he could become tennis' answer to Michelle Wie...trying to win on the opposite side of the gender draw. But then again, he would probably emulate her results in the slams too...never winning.

The_Nadal_effect
09-03-2008, 09:38 AM
As predicted by the pontiffs of MTF, Rafa's form is steadily going down on the fast hard court season. Even if he scrapes it past Fish, Murray should take him out in the semis.

rafa_maniac
09-03-2008, 02:25 PM
It is a difference if you play a clay courter on a faster surface or a specialist for example. I think you will agree with that. Seeded players are often more experienced and mentally thougher if it comes to a decisive phase of a match.
If the draw is favourable an outsider can make it far. Nadal could play two times against an absolutely outsider this year, Tsonga and Schuettler. Is this luck or does it mean that his half was maybe not as strong as the other?
Why are Federer and Djokovic three times in the same half always on a faster surface? Only in Paris, where Nadal is the overhelming favourite, the Serb landed in his section.
Look at Nadals AO and US Open 2008 draw and you may agree that he was clearly "luckier" than Federer, Djokovic, Roddick or Ferrer.

:retard:

Players like Querrey and Fish are hard court specialists, how is any of that relevant to Nadal's draw? Nadal had Djokovic in his half at 3/4 slams last year, and has had him at 5/7 Master Series as well as the Olympics this year. He's also been regularly drawing roasters in his quarter lately. Federer has had joke draws all hard court season. He next faces Giles Muller in a Grand Slam Quarterfinal :haha: Everyone has good and bad luck as far as draws go. This is the first time I've felt Rafa has had a really good draw since way back in Rome. You beat who you have to beat to win, simple as that.