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Haas considering Retirement (->Article) - What say you?

Stensland
08-30-2008, 05:06 PM
we've had polls about hewitt and moya, now it's tommy's turn. this is the first time haas has actually talked about this issue openly. apparently he's pretty fed up with the state of affairs. i'll translate the most important parts (bottom of the page).

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub9CD731D06F17450CB39BE001000DD173/Doc~E777B86219DC24E84B67538A047EE1936~ATpl~Ecommon ~Scontent.html

Tommy Haas

Der Tennis-Hamlet

30. August 2008 - In einer kleinen, unterkühlten Kammer mit unverputzten Wänden kommt man leicht auf krude Gedanken. Kein Fenster bietet einen unverstellten Blick ins Freie und in die Ferne, stattdessen lassen Neonröhren alle Dinge in einem fremden Licht erscheinen. In solch einer unwirtlichen Umgebung über die eigene Zukunft zu sinnieren ist eine heikle Sache, vor allem, wenn man gerade einen herben Rückschlag hat hinnehmen müssen wie Thomas Haas.

Tennisprofi sein oder nicht sein, das war die Frage, die Haas quälte und ihn wie Shakespeares Hamlet erscheinen ließ. Schon nach seiner dritten Schulteroperation habe er sich zu Jahresbeginn mit dem Gedanken vertraut gemacht, wie ein Leben ohne die Tennistour aussehen könnte. „In den nächsten ein, zwei Wochen werde ich überlegen“, sagte der Deutsche. „Ich liebe diesen Sport, aber es gibt noch ein paar Sachen, die ich machen möchte im Leben.“

„So schnell kann's gehen“

In den kalten Katakomben des Arthur Ashe Stadiums, das der Deutsche in diesem Jahr nur bei Pressekonferenzen von innen sah, versuchte Thomas Haas am Freitag eine Zweitrundenniederlage zu verarbeiten, die nicht nur ihm so unnötig wie unfassbar erschien. „So schnell kann’s gehen“, sagte der Gescheiterte lakonisch. „Das ist ein Drecksgefühl.“ So schnell kann’s gehen: Nach der 6:2-, 6:2-, 6:7-(5:7-), 3:6-, 3:6-Niederlage gegen den Luxemburger Qualifikanten Gilles Muller war Thomas Haas bei den US Open so früh ausgeschieden wie seit acht Jahren nicht mehr.

Ausgerechnet bei seinem Lieblingsturnier, außerdem als Letzter von den neun deutschen Herren, die im Hauptfeld standen. „Nach so einer Niederlage gibt es zwei Wege: Sie kann mich noch einmal pushen oder ich frage mich, wie lange ich das noch mitmachen will“, sagte Haas, der sich nach der Niederlage unentschieden gab.

Sechswöchige Pause als Einstieg in den Ausstieg?

Dreißig Jahre alt ist der Hamburger mittlerweile, und auch wenn er selten einer Meinung ist mit Boris Becker – die Behauptung des Altstars, Profijahre seien „wie Hundejahre“, würde Haas aus Erfahrung zustimmen. Vor allem an der rechten Schulter spürt er den Verschleiß, neuerdings auch im Ellenbogen. Weil der Schmerz bis ins Handgelenk hinunterzieht, ließ er vor seinem Auftaktspiel Klaus Eder aus Donaustauf nach New York einfliegen. Es half alles nichts. Während des Matches gegen Muller begann der rechte Schlagarm wieder zu schmerzen; die Behandlung des Physiotherapeuten und Tabletten verschafften immerhin Linderung. Nur gegen seine Frustration fand Haas kein Mittel. Lange, zu lange haderte er damit, dass sich Schieds- und Linienrichter einmal zu seinen Ungunsten entschieden hatten: beim Stand von 4:4 im Tiebreak. „Es war frustrierend“, sagte der 39. der Weltrangliste nach der Niederlage gegen den Linkshänder aus Luxemburg, der 91 Plätze hinter ihm eingestuft ist.

Nicht nur das zweite Fünfsatzmatch binnen drei Tagen konnte Haas nicht gut wegstecken, sondern auch seine mäßige Saison, in die er als Folge seiner Schulteroperation mit Trainingsrückstand startete. Ob er im Herbst weitere Turniere spielt, wusste der Hamburger noch nicht zu sagen. Wird die geplante sechswöchige Pause womöglich zum Einstieg in den Ausstieg? Der Gedanke daran, sagt Thomas Haas, bereite ihm „ein komisches Gefühl“: „Aber man muss der Realität ins Auge schauen.“

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he says he's going to think the whole situation through within the next weeks, considering what life without tennis would be like. "i love tennis but there are lots of other things i still like to do in life."

"such a frustrating loss is going to either push me or make me ask questions about how long i'm still going to do this to myself." currently he's torn, according to the article.

he called up klaus eder right before the first-round encounter with gasquet, a well-known german doctor, to sort out his wrist problems - but to no avail.

he doesn't know if he's going to play any more tournaments in fall and is going to take a break from tennis for 6 weeks now.

asked about the idea of seeing this hiatus as a sort of beginning retirement plan he stated: "it feels weird but i need to face reality."

---> so what say you? is now the time to say goodbye or is he going to be able to pull an 07-moya next year?

Bilbo
08-30-2008, 05:07 PM
losing to muller after 2 sets up at his best tournament was the top of the cream

he's finished

scoobs
08-30-2008, 05:11 PM
I would be sorry to see him go - not really a fan but he's such a mainstay of the tour - would miss his temper tantrums and his endless shouts of Scheisse! as only a German can say it...

But I do wonder - what is he likely to achieve in his remaining time on the tour that he hasn't been able to do already? I don't think he's going to add much more to his achievements to this stage so unless he can continue to play purely for the love of playing, never mind the results, I don't see much point - especially with constant injury worries, a shoulder that's never going to be 100% now, etc/

Kolya
08-30-2008, 05:13 PM
How old is Haas?

He has been around for so many years now, injuries and age has got to him for a while now.

Stensland
08-30-2008, 05:24 PM
yeah his injuries have been problems over the years. on the other hand he's not as physically wasted as someone like hewitt for example, because after all his legs for example did have way more rest than others' due to his long breaks from the practice courts.

it's up to his shoulder, i guess. as scoobs pointed out, if he's not in it for the fun, don't be in it at all.

Jimnik
08-30-2008, 05:26 PM
I don't think he'll ever be a consistent force anymore. But whether he should retire or not should depend completely on him. If he's no longer motivated or enjoying himself then it's time.

scoobs
08-30-2008, 05:29 PM
I think he needs to look at Carlos Moya - the grand old man of the tour now - and think - can I do that, just play for fun, win some stuff here and there and take my beatings and keep going - is that enough for me or is it time to go?

Fee
08-30-2008, 05:38 PM
I don't think he'll ever be a consistent force anymore. But whether he should retire or not should depend completely on him. If he's no longer motivated or enjoying himself then it's time.

This is the precise answer. When players get to 30, their decision to remain on tour is driven by a combination of two things - their heart and their health. I think it's hardest when their health gives out on them before their desire goes away. This is why you see players trying so hard to keep coming back regardless of their results, because their desire to play tennis for whatever reasons is still so strong.

I actually asked Tommy about retirement in Indian Wells, and he said 'we'll see'. I don't want him to go just yet, perhaps stick around for one more year to play only the tournaments he really enjoys. He's one of my favorites to watch, for his game and his nutty behavior, and I will miss him when he's gone. :sad:

BigJohn
08-30-2008, 05:49 PM
Retiring seem the bright thing to do, but then again, Haas is not really known to be too bright.

knight_ley
08-30-2008, 05:56 PM
I voted yes just because I don't like him. :lol:

Hendu
08-30-2008, 06:04 PM
Too bad. Such a talented player.

Lee
08-30-2008, 06:30 PM
Sorry if he retires but if he doesn't enjoy anymore, no need to linger.

Garson007
08-30-2008, 06:36 PM
Another wasted talent. :o

Corey Feldman
08-30-2008, 06:38 PM
dont blame him after yesterday

fast_clay
08-30-2008, 06:44 PM
tennis shouldnt make you feel like that at that age...

game over...

JolánGagó
08-30-2008, 06:49 PM
If it isn't fun anymore, why to stay? He isn't going to achieve anything of significance and not that he has a mortgage to pay or anything, I guess.

Jelena
08-30-2008, 07:16 PM
I would be sorry to see him go - not really a fan but he's such a mainstay of the tour - would miss his temper tantrums and his endless shouts of Scheisse! as only a German can say it...

But I do wonder - what is he likely to achieve in his remaining time on the tour that he hasn't been able to do already? I don't think he's going to add much more to his achievements to this stage so unless he can continue to play purely for the love of playing, never mind the results, I don't see much point - especially with constant injury worries, a shoulder that's never going to be 100% now, etc/
I agree completely with the bolded part, and actually also with the rest of the post. His shoulder is already so damaged that it won't be 100% ever again, and he has to live with that shoulder for 30 til 40 more years. So if I was him I'd go.
How old is Haas?

He has been around for so many years now, injuries and age has got to him for a while now.
He's 30.
I think he needs to look at Carlos Moya - the grand old man of the tour now - and think - can I do that, just play for fun, win some stuff here and there and take my beatings and keep going - is that enough for me or is it time to go?
But Carlos only had one shoulder surgery and not 3 like Tommy.
Another wasted talent. :o
Someone who has been #2 in Ranking is a wasted talent?? :confused: If it is that way then there are currently over 1700 wasted talents listed in the ranking. :shrug:

Nathaliia
08-30-2008, 07:21 PM
It depends on how he feels about the game and what goals he has. Obviously he can compete with some successes for a few years yet, see many places, give some autographs.

If he quits now, he may regret after a few years, or it's just a new fashion to start senior tour early :)

Wyna
08-30-2008, 08:23 PM
I willbe really sad if Tommy retires but I am pretty sure that it's going to happen soon. And when he thinks it's not fun anymore than he should leave...

Someone who has been #2 in Ranking is a wasted talent?? :confused: If it is that way then there are currently over 1700 wasted talents listed in the ranking. :shrug:

but just imagine what could have been without the 3 surgeries... In the end we will never know but with his talent he should have won at least a couple of Masters and probably a slam.

Scotso
08-30-2008, 08:40 PM
I'd say go for it and good riddance. :yeah:

Black Adam
08-30-2008, 09:37 PM
The Tour couldn't be losing a nicer guy if he calls it quits. He was done in 2002. Besides he is kind of jerk with upmires when losing.

Sunset of Age
08-30-2008, 09:43 PM
I'm not all too fond of Haas' personality, but I like his game, especially when he's on - I'd like to see him around a little longer.
But of course it's all up to him and him alone - if he doesn't enjoy the game anymore and his body is hurting, he should make the proper decision and retire.

Montego
08-30-2008, 10:18 PM
I respect him, but he never was my favourite player and this is all I can say about Haas. He has a very entertaining game when it is on, but I haven't seen him playing well for quite some time.

I think he still has the great possibility of winning some MM tournament, but I don't know if it can be Haas' motivation. So - if he believes he should end his career - I think he will make a right decision.

He would be remembered by tennis fans.

Eden
08-30-2008, 11:42 PM
Haas' career has been really overshadowed by injuries and it's sad to read about his continuing health problems. He has shown this year that he still has the ability to beat high ranked players, but on the other hand he also lost to players he should normally beat.
Tommy has been around on the tour for a long time and it's surely not easy to make a decision to retire, but apparently he already has plans for the time after his career.
Whatever he decides: Good luck for the future :)

DhammaTiger
08-31-2008, 12:20 AM
It's up to Haas, if he doesn't enjoy playing anymore and wants to retire then good luck to him.

bambelbitz
08-31-2008, 12:23 AM
He considers that a fourth operation will do the trick. Bur I think he has had too many injuries, which will force him to quit in the end, because he can't reach the level he once had!!!

leng jai
08-31-2008, 12:27 AM
Should do whatever he feels is necessary. Any fan of old school tennis would be sad to see him go, the new generation just don't play the like that anymore.

SheepleBuster
08-31-2008, 01:05 AM
losing to muller after 2 sets up at his best tournament was the top of the cream

he's finished

I think once Roger loses to Stepanek tomorrow, he and Haas can take that 6 weeks vacation they need together and come back stronger. Or they can retire both which would be nice to see. Two good friends saying goodbye at the same time. What's better than that?

leng jai
08-31-2008, 01:24 AM
I think once Roger loses to Stepanek tomorrow, he and Haas can take that 6 weeks vacation they need together and come back stronger. Or they can retire both which would be nice to see. Two good friends saying goodbye at the same time. What's better than that?

Safin can join them as well. Threesomes are more fun anyway.

SheepleBuster
08-31-2008, 01:25 AM
Safin can join them as well. Threesomes are more fun anyway.

Maybe Hewitt too. I mean he is pretty much done, so why not?

JoshDragon
08-31-2008, 01:57 AM
I hope Haas doesn't retire yet.

SheepleBuster
08-31-2008, 02:09 AM
I hate Haas. Everytime I liked a player at a Slam he beat him in 5. Davydenko, Blake, Safin, Gasquet. This guy is just a spoiler and a loser. If he won, then it would be all for something. But he takes these guys out and then chokes.

leng jai
08-31-2008, 02:39 AM
I hate Haas. Everytime I liked a player at a Slam he beat him in 5. Davydenko, Blake, Safin, Gasquet. This guy is just a spoiler and a loser. If he won, then it would be all for something. But he takes these guys out and then chokes.

What about Safin getting lucky in the 02 semi against him and then losing to Tojo in the final :retard:

VolandriFan
08-31-2008, 03:09 AM
Never a fan, but he always had a lovely game to watch.

selyoink
08-31-2008, 04:07 AM
I enjoy Haas' brand of tennis but it is time to call it quits. He has already overcome so many injuries that there is no need to incur anymore just to toil around 20-60 in the rankings anymore.

Forehander
08-31-2008, 07:04 AM
Yeh good idea. With him being the world number 2 was the biggest joke ever existed in tennis history. Good Bye

Thanos
08-31-2008, 08:15 AM
i dont think haas should retire. Its obvious he still competitive and the lost is messing with his mind. I still think he has couple of years in him. If he doesnt have the motivation in competing then he should retire.

DartMarcus
08-31-2008, 10:38 AM
If he wants to retire, he should have done it after Dubai this year, but not now.

Karolina_Sprem
08-31-2008, 10:52 AM
Well IMO he is one of the unluckiest guy on the tour...So many injuries through his career not many players did have so these 11 tournaments that he won is quite good achievement if you take in consideration all the problems that he had in his career.
I can't see fire in him anymore, no motivation... Shame...
I to be honest I was SHOCKED when I saw how he physically looks....:eek::eek:

leng jai
08-31-2008, 11:14 AM
Well IMO he is one of the unluckiest guy on the tour...So many injuries through his career not many players did have so these 11 tournaments that he won is quite good achievement if you take in consideration all the problems that he had in his career.
I can't see fire in him anymore, no motivation... Shame...
I to be honest I was SHOCKED when I saw how he physically looks....:eek::eek:

Too much sense of perspective in this post, MTF will not approve.

What about his physical appearance surprised you?

Karolina_Sprem
08-31-2008, 11:36 AM
Too much sense of perspective in this post, MTF will not approve.

What about his physical appearance surprised you?

Well I haven't seen his matches for about 2 years and now saw his match against Muller. I was shocked because it looks his body built is not so strong as it used to be... also his is much thiner in face... Thats my impression when I compare Haas from 2-3 years ago and Haas in these days....

leng jai
08-31-2008, 11:40 AM
Well I haven't seen his matches for about 2 years and now saw his match against Muller. I was shocked because it looks his body built is not so strong as it used to be... also his is much thiner in face... Thats my impression when I compare Haas from 2-3 years ago and Haas in these days....

He definitely slimmed down since early 2005, its not a new thing for him. He might slightly thinner than usual as he hasn't played all that this year.

Karolina_Sprem
08-31-2008, 11:44 AM
He definitely slimmed down since early 2005, its not a new thing for him. He might slightly thinner than usual as he hasn't played all that this year.

So I was right:D
Still shocked... It doesn't suit him this "new look"...

Venle
08-31-2008, 01:25 PM
He's done :o

Neely
08-31-2008, 06:02 PM
I always said that I think he did very well all those years after his 15 month break recovering from shoulder injury. Lately his shoulder has acted up again, and it's of course frustrating if you are not losing matches not only because your opponent is simply playing better, but because of a lack of physical strength and limitations that come into equation because your endurance isn't as good as before. Maybe it gets better again, maybe not. If you're reaching a point where it pisses you off too much and when there is no hope anymore for better recovery, if you body can't give you anymore what you need from it, then it is time to retire (or go on a long farewell tour playing some best-of-three tournaments for the next time).

star
08-31-2008, 06:12 PM
I always said that I think he did very well all those years after his 15 month break recovering from shoulder injury. Lately his shoulder has acted up again, and it's of course frustrating if you are not losing matches not only because your opponent is simply playing better, but because of a lack of physical strength and limitations that come into equation because your endurance isn't as good as before. Maybe it gets better again, maybe not. If you're reaching a point where it pisses you off too much and when there is no hope anymore for better recovery, if you body can't give you anymore what you need from it, then it is time to retire (or go on a long farewell tour playing some best-of-three tournaments for the next time).

Until people have had a shoulder injury and undergone rehab, they can't imagine how painful it is and how frustratingly slow and painful the rehabilitation process can be. I still do the rehab exercises because even without putting the kind of stress Haas must put on his shoulder, I still, even after nearly two years, can feel the effects of my injury. I can't imagine what Haas has gone through. Coming back to play at a high level after being out for a year and a half is excellent. It's not easy to face playing with pain, and not being able to play one's best. Until one has suffered long term pain, it's easy to underestimate how draining it is and also depressing.

Lugburz
09-01-2008, 10:58 AM
You guys can't be serious about this thread ! :mad:

Mimi
09-01-2008, 12:48 PM
poor tommy, too many injuries, i think his end is near :sad:

MariaV
09-01-2008, 12:57 PM
It would be sad and it's entirely up to him but there's no point in playing for some more years if he still has pain and doesn't have fun any more.
:sad:

Lugburz
09-01-2008, 01:02 PM
Guys you are so shameless ! I mean it's Tommy Haas for God sakes..He enjoys to play tennis and is one of the most talented players that tennis game ever had ! My point is that he still enjoys it and he won't stop playing it unless his body stops him...You really personally think that this bad loss to Muller would affect his decision,I don't think so,he will play for more years if his body let him ! Don't you remember that article when he said that he'll play for about 2-3 more years,saying that Agassi had perfect results in his 30's...
Sorry,but...Argh,these kind threads makes me so angry....

Mimi
09-01-2008, 01:05 PM
calm down, read carefully, its not us who pushed him to retirement, the article said he himself is considering retirement :wavey:

Guys you are so shameless ! I mean it's Tommy Haas for God sakes..He enjoys to play tennis and is one of the most talented players that tennis game ever had ! My point is that he still enjoys it and he won't stop playing it unless his body stops him...You really personally think that this bad loss to Muller would affect his decision,I don't think so,he will play for more years if his body let him ! Don't you remember that article when he said that he'll play for about 2-3 more years,saying that Agassi had perfect results in his 30's...
Sorry,but...Argh,these kind threads makes me so angry....

Karolina_Sprem
09-01-2008, 01:13 PM
Guys you are so shameless ! I mean it's Tommy Haas for God sakes..He enjoys to play tennis and is one of the most talented players that tennis game ever had ! My point is that he still enjoys it and he won't stop playing it unless his body stops him...You really personally think that this bad loss to Muller would affect his decision,I don't think so,he will play for more years if his body let him ! Don't you remember that article when he said that he'll play for about 2-3 more years,saying that Agassi had perfect results in his 30's...
Sorry,but...Argh,these kind threads makes me so angry....

I wouldn't say so... I mean... if you consider retirement then your motivation is questionable and you don't enjoy tennis as much as you should no matter if your fit or not.... As far as I know he is fit now; doesn't have any injury problems, right?!:confused: but for sure he is frustrated because of all those injuries he had and its hard to motivate yourself...

Jelena
09-01-2008, 01:54 PM
I wouldn't say so... I mean... if you consider retirement then your motivation is questionable and you don't enjoy tennis as much as you should no matter if your fit or not.... As far as I know he is fit now; doesn't have any injury problems, right?!:confused: but for sure he is frustrated because of all those injuries he had and its hard to motivate yourself...
The article says clearly he feels pain in the shoulder again, which also goes down into elbow and arm. :shrug: I already said, if I was him, I'd retire.

JolánGagó
09-01-2008, 01:57 PM
This thread stinks already, wh don't let it go down the drain to the second page?

Lugburz
09-01-2008, 02:49 PM
I wouldn't say so... I mean... if you consider retirement then your motivation is questionable and you don't enjoy tennis as much as you should no matter if your fit or not.... As far as I know he is fit now; doesn't have any injury problems, right?!:confused: but for sure he is frustrated because of all those injuries he had and its hard to motivate yourself...

Another operation is considered...I think it is good reason :rolleyes:

And I can't calm down when someone talk about him like he is some ''trash'' already,completely wasted...comments like he's gone,game over...etc...That makes me sad and angry !

And for everyone who thinks that he has no fun plying tennis anymore,you are completely missing the point or just don't like him...

Jelena
09-01-2008, 03:00 PM
Another operation is considered...I think it is good reason :rolleyes:

And I can't calm down when someone talk about him like he is some ''trash'' already,completely wasted...comments like he's gone,game over...etc...That makes me sad and angry !

And for everyone who thinks that he has no fun plying tennis anymore,you are completely missing the point or just don't like him...
Do you really think another surgery will solve the problem? If so I think you just started to follow professional sports... The shoulder must be already now so damaged that I doubt Tommy will be painfree at all for the rest of his life. And his life isn't finished when he retires from tennis. He still has to live with that shoulder for 30-40 more years, he's (in terms of a normal life) only 30 years old.

Karolina_Sprem
09-01-2008, 03:03 PM
Another operation is considered...I think it is good reason :rolleyes:

And I can't calm down when someone talk about him like he is some ''trash'' already,completely wasted...comments like he's gone,game over...etc...That makes me sad and angry !

And for everyone who thinks that he has no fun plying tennis anymore,you are completely missing the point or just don't like him...

What did I say against him??:rolleyes:
It seems that you're too sensitive... :rolleyes:

Lugburz
09-01-2008, 03:05 PM
Do you really think another surgery will solve the problem? If so I think you just started to follow professional sports... The shoulder must be already now so damaged that I doubt Tommy will be painfree at all for the rest of his life. And his life isn't finished when he retires from tennis. He still has to live with that shoulder for 30-40 more years, he's (in terms of a normal life) only 30 years old.

I just have said that if operation is considered that is reasonable that he is also considering retirement but it is rubbish to say that he has no fun playing tennis anymore,don't you think?
And another operation could solve some problems if he will be out as it says for 6weeks...
But I think that it wasn't about the shoulder,or it was ? Wrist is also mentioned..

Lugburz
09-01-2008, 03:08 PM
What did I say against him??:rolleyes:
It seems that you're too sensitive... :rolleyes:

Don't worry I wasn't talking directly to you but to the people who have said that ;)
I am not sensitive person,but when it's about Tommy's retirement and the thing that I might not see him anymore,it's a little bit sad,don't you think? :rolleyes: :)

Jelena
09-01-2008, 03:08 PM
The pain goes down from shoulder via elbow into the wrist. That is written in the article, but I already said it above in the thread.

Lugburz
09-01-2008, 03:13 PM
The pain goes down from shoulder via elbow into the wrist. That is written in the article, but I already said it above in the thread.

So,operation would be for the shoulder again..?
I guess it is yet to be seen.At least his true fans will stand for any decision he makes...

Karolina_Sprem
09-01-2008, 03:15 PM
Don't worry I wasn't talking directly to you but to the people who have said that ;)
I am not sensitive person,but when it's about Tommy's retirement and the thing that I might not see him anymore,it's a little bit sad,don't you think? :rolleyes: :)

It is sad to read such a thing that top players are considering retirement... I already said that I feel sorry for him, he is one of the unluckiest guy on the tour...so many injuries throughout his career...and he could do MUCH MUCH better in his career because he has a game to do some big things...:wavey:

Lugburz
09-01-2008, 03:17 PM
It is sad to read such a thing that top players are considering retirement... I already said that I feel sorry for him, he is one of the unluckiest guy on the tour...so many injuries throughout his career...and he could do MUCH MUCH better in his career because he has a game to do some big things...:wavey:

Exactly...Even now,he has great game to beat anyone on the tour,but we'll see what happens...
I just hope for the best..

its.like.that
09-01-2008, 03:23 PM
He should definitely retire.

That loss against Muller was pathetic.

:o

Lugburz
09-01-2008, 03:30 PM
He should definitely retire.

That loss against Muller was pathetic.

:o

:D :worship:

Fee
09-01-2008, 06:51 PM
Don't worry I wasn't talking directly to you but to the people who have said that ;)
I am not sensitive person,but when it's about Tommy's retirement and the thing that I might not see him anymore,it's a little bit sad,don't you think? :rolleyes: :)

Get used to the idea, there is a very real possibility that you will not see Tommy play again.

Have you seen any quotes from Tommy saying that he is oh so happy to be playing tennis this year? I haven't. I've seen frustration at his losses and the injuries and the pain that he still gets. He started to play well in Indian Wells, then had to give up a walkover because he got sick and didn't even play Miami. He missed Roland Garros. He lost to Donald Young in LA. His year has been all over the place. I hate seeing him do this, I was hoping that he would have one last healthy season on tour, to play good tennis, and walk away from the tour the way he wants to, but his body might not let him do that. It's a reality that many players face and right now it's Tommy's turn.

Jadranka
09-01-2008, 06:56 PM
He should ask Boris Becker and his ex :)

oranges
09-01-2008, 07:46 PM
Have you seen any quotes from Tommy saying that he is oh so happy to be playing tennis this year? I haven't. I've seen frustration at his losses and the injuries and the pain that he still gets.

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=50996

Q. What makes you continue to play not only this tournament but on the tour if you're not 100%?
TOMMY HAAS: Because I feel like -- I'm just talking about my shoulder in general. If the shoulder is good enough where I can play, where I feel like I can still play some very good tennis and play with a big boys, and it's because I love the sport as well.
This is what I was always wanting to do. Basically I'm living my dream, and I'd like to continue that as long as I can. It's going to take a lot to stop it. If the shoulder says at one stage says there's no more I'll have to deal with that. It's already tried it three times and I'm still here, so it's still pretty good.

Fee
09-01-2008, 08:14 PM
That's a good interview from earlier this summer when he was doing well, but you have to balance that against the frustration expressed in his most recent interview. He understands the reality of the situation he is facing right now.

I hope this time off is what he needs to rest his body physically, to clear his head, and to find his motivation to go back out on tour and put up with the travel and everything else.

oranges
09-01-2008, 08:52 PM
^^ Well, you asked for something this year. If he didn't feel bad about losing like that to Muller, it would be more worrying ;) Hopefully, he won't have to retire over health problems. Otherwise, the time to go is when you're no longer enjoying yourself and you lose the drive in general, but not over one match for sure.

Fee
09-01-2008, 10:09 PM
Right, but I don't think his frustration is coming from that one match, I think its coming from his year overall - Indian Wells and Miami, missing Roland Garros, losing to DY, not having a title this year, etc. This is what he will have to do, step back and take a look at his season, the good and the bad, and see how it evens out for him. Does he want to go through another season like that? Does he want to take the chance that it will be a better season or an even worse season? This is where he will need to figure out how much he loves the sport and the competition versus everything else that comes with it (the travel, the treatment, the pain, etc, etc, etc). :)

mariyella80
09-02-2008, 02:26 AM
Moya is having fun...LEAVE THE MAN ALONE, he doesnt need money, he has PLENTY......CAN YOU DO WHAT HE HAS DONE, if not then SHUT IT!!!! as for Haas he doesnt seem to be able to finish matches alot of retirements in matches for thing like stomach flu, that's hitting bottom Booootom low and then his match at the us open I WAS there left after the 2nd set thinking its done, then hours later I see a trainer running to the courts and say to my self 'is that for Haas? not really knowing what was going on and it was.....HE'S DONE and it seems he likes hanging out with actresses, maybe he could become a D - list actor like PHILOUPOUSIS (excuse the spelling ;))...

SheepleBuster
09-02-2008, 02:40 AM
Moya, Haas, Safin, Federer, Roddick, and Blake all need to get on Noahs Arc and get lost.

Lugburz
09-02-2008, 12:06 PM
Right, but I don't think his frustration is coming from that one match, I think its coming from his year overall - Indian Wells and Miami, missing Roland Garros, losing to DY, not having a title this year, etc. This is what he will have to do, step back and take a look at his season, the good and the bad, and see how it evens out for him. Does he want to go through another season like that? Does he want to take the chance that it will be a better season or an even worse season? This is where he will need to figure out how much he loves the sport and the competition versus everything else that comes with it (the travel, the treatment, the pain, etc, etc, etc). :)

That's exactly why he loves the sport.The thing about his frustration is a good reason.He gets frustrated because he really cares.For God sakes he missed so many important tours this year and he is aware of that.So next year would solve everything out,perfect new fresh start for him,an solid AO etc..He won't retire after this year I am pretty sure of that(only if he really feels so much pain)
So your question was, will it be better season? -Of course it will,as he missed AO,French Open this year along with 3 Masters(and maybe 2more)

mr_burns
09-02-2008, 12:33 PM
I don't see him winnig more than 3 or 4 matches at a slam in a row, with that weak body

Sure he can have good results at smaller us tournaments, but I don't think it will be enough to be motivated


And he quits davis cup (or took a break), which makes it unlikely that there are any goals he can achieve anymore

As much as I like to watch him play, I don't want him to lose to Muller, Young etc...

Wojtek
09-02-2008, 12:35 PM
I hate him - he should retire

leng jai
09-02-2008, 12:36 PM
I hate him - he should retire

I hate you. Retire.

Lugburz
09-02-2008, 12:43 PM
I don't see him winnig more than 3 or 4 matches at a slam in a row, with that weak body

Sure he can have good results at smaller us tournaments, but I don't think it will be enough to be motivated


And he quits davis cup (or took a break), which makes it unlikely that there are any goals he can achieve anymore

As much as I like to watch him play, I don't want him to lose to Muller, Young etc...

OK good point,but again we can expect something next season if he can recover from this odd season,witch wasn't so bad after all...We'll see what happens,he'll give himself a little break and then it's up to him...

Dougie
09-02-2008, 07:32 PM
OK good point,but again we can expect something next season if he can recover from this odd season,witch wasn't so bad after all...We'll see what happens,he'll give himself a little break and then it's up to him...

I don´t see him recovering with a break, he´s getting old and with that kind of injury history, it´s not looking good. I hope he continues, I love to watch him play, but the writing´s on the wall. His body obviously can´t take it anymore, and that´s bound to do damage to his motivation.

Pea
09-02-2008, 07:47 PM
Don't just talk about it, do it.:rolleyes:

And take jogy along with ya.