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kokot
07-23-2008, 09:04 PM
dont know if there is a thread already about it,is it is please direct me.

i would like to know how many of you take betting as a job.me for instant,i work 1 job and have dveloping company.but the winnings payed for my last 2 vacations.aruba,mauritius full covared.myaverage bet is around 300euro.

as i am watching the gamblers lounge,it seems people are just writing,what they think.or guess.tey say value this value that,but fuck,if u bet 5 euro,who the fuck cares???u wan to win big or just fuck around?most of the companies out there are making money of this morons,who take for example levine @27 vs nadal.they say its value...fuck off,if u bet 4$.

so i hope u got my point and feel free to share your thoughts!

Gamblore
07-24-2008, 03:29 AM
People that bet against Nadal @ odds of $27 are idiots. There's no value there.

Newbie2008
07-24-2008, 04:21 AM
dont know if there is a thread already about it,is it is please direct me.

i would like to know how many of you take betting as a job.me for instant,i work 1 job and have dveloping company.but the winnings payed for my last 2 vacations.aruba,mauritius full covared.myaverage bet is around 300euro.

as i am watching the gamblers lounge,it seems people are just writing,what they think.or guess.tey say value this value that,but fuck,if u bet 5 euro,who the fuck cares???u wan to win big or just fuck around?most of the companies out there are making money of this morons,who take for example levine @27 vs nadal.they say its value...fuck off,if u bet 4$.

so i hope u got my point and feel free to share your thoughts!

^ Best Bloke!

I agree.

I hate comming on the forums and seeing people pick 10 $3.00+ dogs, and saying "Value". I havent ever picked a dog lol.

jayjay
07-24-2008, 03:16 PM
"Value" is subjective. It is only defineable by each individual and their assessment of the match up and the prices involved. Ultimately, any pick anyone makes is by definition seen as value by them otherwise there would be no point in making it.

If you like the match up and you are happy with the price, then to you the pick is value and worth making.

With regards to how much is being staked - the best way to do it is minimal stakes. However, as you get older and more money is available then it's always likely that the stakes will increase. That inturn can give you bigger wins and likewise bigger problems. It's a personal decision and when I started when I was 14 I never imagined I'd stake as much as I do now, but that's the way it goes. As it happens, my really serious days of gambling are actually behind me, even though my stakes are higher than the average punter, but it's all about what you can afford to play with, what you are willing to risk/lose should the worst come to the worst.

I've never subscribed to thinking that you should "only back favs" or "only back dogs". That's just stupid. It's not about that. It's about assessing the match ups and evaluating the prices. Sometimes it'll be favs and sometimes it'll be dogs.

Any pick anyone makes should always be evidenced by something factual or tangible to make the pick viable. So yes, backing Levine against Nadal even at astronomical odds does seem futile to me, because I can't make a case to myself as to why Levine should have the necessary to win. And even if you make the pick with the vision to trade, at a break up or even a set up, Nadal's price is never going to be backable at that stage to make it worth off setting.

However, there are matches where the trade value is there, but again that's just a judgement call for each individual.

ryan23
07-24-2008, 03:43 PM
I would never do gambling as a job and anyone that thinks they could do this for the rest of their life is very naive imo

ive won big money in the past and spent it on nice things but also lost money theres 2 sides to the coin

ryan23
07-24-2008, 03:45 PM
dont know if there is a thread already about it,is it is please direct me.

i would like to know how many of you take betting as a job.me for instant,i work 1 job and have dveloping company.but the winnings payed for my last 2 vacations.aruba,mauritius full covared.myaverage bet is around 300euro.

as i am watching the gamblers lounge,it seems people are just writing,what they think.or guess.tey say value this value that,but fuck,if u bet 5 euro,who the fuck cares???u wan to win big or just fuck around?most of the companies out there are making money of this morons,who take for example levine @27 vs nadal.they say its value...fuck off,if u bet 4$.

so i hope u got my point and feel free to share your thoughts!


What about Simon last night?

dave nz
07-24-2008, 04:34 PM
I would never do gambling as a job and anyone that thinks they could do this for the rest of their life is very naive imo



You are right it takes a rare breed. But there is no such words IMO as never, can't or impossible.

Just wrote a piece on this very subject, will post the link when it becomes avaliable (sometime in the next few days).

ryan23
07-24-2008, 05:10 PM
You are right it takes a rare breed. But there is no such words IMO as never, can't or impossible.

Just wrote a piece on this very subject, will post the link when it becomes avaliable (sometime in the next few days).

I'm with you m8 there are people out their that do it and very succesfully but unfortunately the percentage is very very low- and getting lower it seems

I look forward to reading your piece

kokot
07-24-2008, 11:27 PM
some good responses here have to admit.of course coin has two sides.i lost as well but in the long run,ig u have the same stakes,and u have good money managment ull be fine.at least i am.

back to value,how many of you are betting without odds?i mean,look at the matchup on oop,and choose the player,then look at the odds?i do it maximum 20% of the time but mostly,i check the odds.this makes the conclussion about last night fedex-simon.if you wouldnt see that 38 odd on simon would you choose him?i fuck wouldnt even touch him.now lets look from the other way,asume u didnt see the odd on simon.so u choose simon,and then look at the odds and fedex for some reason would have odd 1.6.would you still take simon at 2.4odd?????fucking give me break!so plz dont tell me that simon was value.didnt see that game have admit but to take player just because idiotic odds,it is not called value,but not smart betting,put it nicely.another example levine.would u choose him knowing that he would be at odd 2.4?surely i wouldnt.

value,mean for someone one thing for someone else opposite.

to the betting as a job.i know for example at least 5 people in my area who are succsefull in that.but not in tennis.one is capping purely 2.division german,another 1st freanch.my point is that they dont touch anything else and just follow one league.and yes they had bad times,but overall they made steady 38% per year.how many of us can say that?but of course they dont play for peanuts.

to sum it up,great info from contributers,at least for me.like to share the thoughts with other punters here.

keep up the good work!if u think that i might be wrong or if u agree post it!

jayjay
07-25-2008, 12:33 AM
back to value,how many of you are betting without odds?i mean,look at the matchup on oop,and choose the player,then look at the odds?i do it maximum 20% of the time but mostly,i check the odds.

I make my picks, I check the prices and if I'm happy with them I play them.

There are many punters out there, though, who are simply tempted by a big price. And that's the reason books will never go broke because there are alot of people out there chasing the big win.

this makes the conclussion about last night fedex-simon.if you wouldnt see that 38 odd on simon would you choose him?i fuck wouldnt even touch him.now lets look from the other way,asume u didnt see the odd on simon.so u choose simon,and then look at the odds and fedex for some reason would have odd 1.6.would you still take simon at 2.4odd?????fucking give me break!so plz dont tell me that simon was value.didnt see that game have admit but to take player just because idiotic odds,it is not called value,but not smart betting,put it nicely.another example levine.would u choose him knowing that he would be at odd 2.4?surely i wouldnt.

I can't speak for Grinder or anyone who did back Simon, but I imagine they didn't back Simon because they were sure of a win, but because they thought there was trade value there and had some tangible reasons as to why Simon might have troubled Federer and in turn possibly shock him.

Simply for the fact it was Federer's first match since Wimbledon and Simon was coming in off the back of a tournament win alone made the match at least a little tricky for Federer. Not that I thought he would lose, I absolutely didn't, but you can see what was there for those who thought the price was too high considering the factors.

You seem to be thinking that "value" means "dog". It doesn't. If in your example Federer had been 1.60, then he would have been value. As if you were pricing up the match yourself you would surely never make Federer 1.60.

to the betting as a job.i know for example at least 5 people in my area who are succsefull in that.but not in tennis.one is capping purely 2.division german,another 1st freanch.my point is that they dont touch anything else and just follow one league.and yes they had bad times,but overall they made steady 38% per year.how many of us can say that?but of course they dont play for peanuts.

Any professional keys in on their particular areas of expertise. That is obvious. I did it for a few years and built a healthy balance and then lost sight of what I was doing. Treating it as a "business" had become boring for me, and I allowed the gambling aspect to override the money aspect. That meant hefty bets on markets I was still learning and when the losses came, I went back to what I knew at a heavier level than before to recoup (chase), and when it didn't go my way - I was right back at the start.

This is purely ill-discipline and nothing else.

If you know your particular sports, if you do your homework, if you have a set of rules and don't break them and you play when opportunity arises and not out of a daily habit/need to gamble - then it is very possible to make a steady/decent living out of this industry.

However, the human mind is almost conditioned to be reckless and that's where alot of people end up falling by the way side. No one should be fooled into thinking it's remotely easy. It takes alot of mistakes to learn how to do things the right way, and even then it takes greater discipline to continually toe that line.

Gamblore
07-25-2008, 01:14 AM
The more money you have makes things alot easier. Not to say that you throw it around and place large bets because you have 200k.

Newbie2008
07-25-2008, 07:58 AM
I do it sometimes.

For eg:

Tonight hypothetically:

Geelong are $1.30 Favs.. I checked odds & said, yep they'll win.

If i didnt know the odds, and checked em seeing Hawks $1.30, id say same, yep they'll win.


OR


Essendon vs Collingwood, myself Essendon might scare them. If i saw them @$2.20 i wouldnt touch em, but because they are @ $4.50, ye ill put a few bucks on it.

Good thread

Gamblore
07-25-2008, 08:08 AM
I do it sometimes.

For eg:

Tonight hypothetically:

Geelong are $1.30 Favs.. I checked odds & said, yep they'll win.

If i didnt know the odds, and checked em seeing Hawks $1.30, id say same, yep they'll win.


OR


Essendon vs Collingwood, myself Essendon might scare them. If i saw them @$2.20 i wouldnt touch em, but because they are @ $4.50, ye ill put a few bucks on it.

Good thread

Wrong!




Your reading into the odds and expecting because the odds are so low, that the favourite is a certanty to win. Not true at all.

kokot
07-25-2008, 11:02 PM
jay jay,

good post.i hope you didnt get me wrong.i never said that dogs with huge odd is the one i take.no,i look at matchup,form,conditions,and then odd.if all looks fine,i give it a go.but here,no offence to anyone,i just see the same people make it the same bet,just copy the bet,and then hope to win,because someone else took it too.for me betting is exciting,and oh well so far winning.the most important thing is money managment.100000%.if that u get wrong once u can regropu,but if u dont,you will be in deep shit.

jayjay
07-25-2008, 11:06 PM
jay jay,

good post.i hope you didnt get me wrong.i never said that dogs with huge odd is the one i take.no,i look at matchup,form,conditions,and then odd.if all looks fine,i give it a go.but here,no offence to anyone,i just see the same people make it the same bet,just copy the bet,and then hope to win,because someone else took it too.for me betting is exciting,and oh well so far winning.the most important thing is money managment.100000%.if that u get wrong once u can regropu,but if u dont,you will be in deep shit.

Gambling can give you a buzz at times, but when trying to make it as a profession you just have to be simply ruthless about it and treat it like a true business. It can be difficult to often disassociate the two, but if you ask any professional, then it is the outlook you have to take and adhere to.

If you're gambling as an secondary income, as a supplement, then sure you can relax the rules a little and if a few bets don't go your way it's not the end of the world. If you're gambling as a profession you can't afford to be so lax, there really is no negotiation with that.

GL with your betting future. :)

ryan23
07-25-2008, 11:16 PM
Very true there Jay- if your doing it as a 'job' so to speak you cant let your heart rule your head with certain teams/players depending on the sport offcourse- i will never bet for or against my football team because i know i wont analyse it with my head but with my heart

Also 1 last thing people can over analyse match ups-h2h etc. very difficult to know when it will prove correct or complete bullshit- you could spend hours analyzing a team or player that will do you no good at all- depending on the case..

jayjay
07-25-2008, 11:24 PM
Very true there Jay- if your doing it as a 'job' so to speak you cant let your heart rule your head with certain teams/players depending on the sport offcourse- i will never bet for or against my football team because i know i wont analyse it with my head but with my heart

To be honest, even when I was doing it professionally, I would still always back Argentina and Boca whether I really believed in it or not. Of course at sensible stakes though, but the emotive pull was always there. I would never back against Argentina or Boca though even if I thought we were vulnerable, for me that's like treason. :lol:

Eventually it came to bite me on the ass big time because at a time when I really did think Argentina was the right play to make, I completely over extended myself in a make or break type situation (as in life changing) and I received the kind of punishment that in truth I've never recovered from mentally. Some things are hard to forget.

Also 1 last thing people can over analyse match ups-h2h etc. very difficult to know when it will prove correct or complete bullshit- you could spend hours analyzing a team or player that will do you no good at all- depending on the case.

Agreed. You should always do your homework, but they should involve basic factors and when getting really in-depth only if the stats/info at hand is entirely relevant.

There is certainly a case for paralysis by analysis, it's easy to talk yourself in or out of any pick as you can effectively break lots of information down anyway you really want to.

It's best to just take your gut instinct, what you see and what you know, and evidence it with tangible material that supports that case and you've got enough justification to do what you do.

Nathaliia
07-25-2008, 11:26 PM
At one point I thought I could do this for a living. In three months in summer, starting from 10 Euro, I made enough to go on a trip abroad, buy a laptop, buy some sexy clothes and have a living for a whole semester without having to work and yet Mahut managed to steal remainings of it in February next year.

In that time I used to bet every day on many matches, did a lot of livebetting and followed all the tennis and volleyball events.

Needless to say about how my private life suffered of it. I could talk only about money and bets and I went fine enough without sex, as greening on both players on livebet was more demanding, exciting and tiring.

I still do sometimes parlays for very small stakes at local bookie, when I lose, who cares, and when I win, it's for a hairdresser ;) But it's only when I'm *very* bored at work.

Work is not bad, at least I feel I have life in my hands, and not starting USA hardcourt season at 7 p.m. and finishing at 7 a.m. and not knowing where that time disappeared.

Nathaliia
07-25-2008, 11:30 PM
To be honest, even when I was doing it professionally, I would still always back Argentina and Boca whether I really believed in it or not. Of course at sensible stakes though, but the emotive pull was always there. I would never back against Argentina or Boca though even if I thought we were vulnerable, for me that's like treason. :lol:

I hear you. Serbia over Poland in volleyball at 1.6 was like a gift from Santa. I don't know what were odds on 3-0 but I would bet my boobs on it blindly and I posted about it on MTF yesterday that today we're going to have a trashing.

But what kind of cheering is that if you play against your country? :sad: Brazil will play Serbia in the final IMO and then Serbia will be lucky to win a set, oh well, just shows where our volley is at this point of Olympics preparations :sad:.

jayjay
07-25-2008, 11:50 PM
I hear you. Serbia over Poland in volleyball at 1.6 was like a gift from Santa. I don't know what were odds on 3-0 but I would bet my boobs on it blindly and I posted about it on MTF yesterday that today we're going to have a trashing.

But what kind of cheering is that if you play against your country? :sad: Brazil will play Serbia in the final IMO and then Serbia will be lucky to win a set, oh well, just shows where our volley is at this point of Olympics preparations :sad:.

Nathii, speaking of Volleyball Olympics, I want to have a couple of interest bets on the men's and women's - what is your breakdown of the men's and women's events? Who are your picks and where will your money be going?

Nathaliia
07-26-2008, 12:11 AM
Nathii, speaking of Volleyball Olympics, I want to have a couple of interest bets on the men's and women's - what is your breakdown of the men's and women's events? Who are your picks and where will your money be going?
My money will be staying in my wallet ;)

In male competition Brazil is a class above the rest, but odds will be according to it. In womens tournament China must make a final. I've heard Italians are favourites, I don't like their team and consider them pushers but unfortunately they are often winning big matches, just like Italian football team. However, they bought some Cuban players lately and especially one is a killer, and it makes me hold on with my opinion on Italy. Now a funny thing, Brazil womens' volley team has never grabbed an Olympic gold :) And they have a very good team, for sure ones of the favourites. Russia might be poorer than usual as they lost a friendly match to Poland in Moscow.

However, it's safer to speak up before direct matches, as teams sometimes calculate against which team they prefer to play in QF stage. So far, if Polish men's team played like they do now, they'd be trashed by Brazil, Serbia and Russia. I think they have China or Egypt in the group, but they should beat them (even China I suppose) and the match against Germany should decide which team advances. I think we should beat Germany, in volleyball at least ;). The second group is much weaker, Italy also has pushers in the men's team with kilo gel on the hair, but no Cubans, USA very average, Lloy Ball claimed to be the 2nd best playmaker makes silly technical mistakes... Bulgaria, no shape at all, lost at home to Finland... I forgot who else is in that group, but must be something laughable like Japan.

sorry for an off-topic in this thread ;)

ryan23
07-26-2008, 01:18 AM
Interesting stuff Nat- it just goes to show you can win lots of money but your social life.private life will always and should always be number 1 ahead of money :)

ryan23
07-26-2008, 01:18 AM
To be honest, even when I was doing it professionally, I would still always back Argentina and Boca whether I really believed in it or not. Of course at sensible stakes though, but the emotive pull was always there. I would never back against Argentina or Boca though even if I thought we were vulnerable, for me that's like treason. :lol:

Eventually it came to bite me on the ass big time because at a time when I really did think Argentina was the right play to make, I completely over extended myself in a make or break type situation (as in life changing) and I received the kind of punishment that in truth I've never recovered from mentally. Some things are hard to forget.



Agreed. You should always do your homework, but they should involve basic factors and when getting really in-depth only if the stats/info at hand is entirely relevant.

There is certainly a case for paralysis by analysis, it's easy to talk yourself in or out of any pick as you can effectively break lots of information down anyway you really want to.

It's best to just take your gut instinct, what you see and what you know, and evidence it with tangible material that supports that case and you've got enough justification to do what you do.


Once again you say it perfectly i'm with you...

Nathaliia
07-26-2008, 10:22 AM
Interesting stuff Nat- it just goes to show you can win lots of money but your social life.private life will always and should always be number 1 ahead of money :)
Having rich boyfriends is just about having nice private life and a lot of money :) Gambling starts to be unnecessary :p However Serbia over Russia at 2.38 looks tempting (could be a TB in this match), and even Brazil over USA at 1.12 is a 100% thing for a parlay as Brazil will trash them 3-0 I think. :p :lol:

Deivid23
07-26-2008, 10:53 AM
back to value,how many of you are betting without odds?i mean,look at the matchup on oop,and choose the player,then look at the odds?i do it maximum 20% of the time but mostly,i check the odds.

Guessing winners is a fortune-teller´s job, a punter´s job is to find the wrong odds in offer.

Hope this helps

Deivid23
07-26-2008, 10:56 AM
The more money you have makes things alot easier. Not to say that you throw it around and place large bets because you have 200k.

Wrong, probably the most difficult thing to do after building a big bankroll is to keep up with a proper money management and not lose the sense of what money means

Gamblore
07-26-2008, 11:16 AM
Wrong, probably the most difficult thing to do after building a big bankroll is to keep up with a proper money management and not lose the sense of what money means

Pretty much what i said. Because you have a large built up bankroll, doesn't mean you should put bigger amounts here and there and get greedy.

Midnight Express
07-26-2008, 03:28 PM
Having rich boyfriends is just about having nice private life and a lot of money :) Gambling starts to be unnecessary :p However Serbia over Russia at 2.38 looks tempting (could be a TB in this match), and even Brazil over USA at 1.12 is a 100% thing for a parlay as Brazil will trash them 3-0 I think. :p :lol:

:rolleyes:

Its like going to MVF (mensvolleyballforum.com) and saying Federer over Simon 100%..

Nathaliia
07-26-2008, 06:02 PM
:rolleyes:

Its like going to MVF (mensvolleyballforum.com) and saying Federer over Simon 100%..

If you had put an identical unit on Serbia you would have been in profit. Not my fault you are greedy only for 1.12 type of odds, I never play them, and it is for a reason. USA beating Brazil in Rio de Janeiro today was like Robby Ginepri beating Nadal on clay. Things like this happen rarely enough to excuse the odds, but they *can* happen. We may joke about taking odds from 1.01 to 1.25 but I doubt any serious people ever do it as it's the easiest way to getting bankrupt, just like overstaking.

Deivid23
07-26-2008, 11:31 PM
USA beating Brazil in Rio de Janeiro today was like Robby Ginepri beating Nadal on clay.

:haha: That´s a bit too much, Nathii

kokot
07-27-2008, 07:43 PM
so far none of the posts is saying that they have betting as a job...so it looks like all of us,me included are betting for the thrill of it,or to spend our boring lives more on edge...what about grinder,kuta,and bg?hmmm,thought that more people here takes betting as a job...

Grinder
07-27-2008, 07:52 PM
so far none of the posts is saying that they have betting as a job...so it looks like all of us,me included are betting for the thrill of it,or to spend our boring lives more on edge...what about grinder,kuta,and bg?hmmm,thought that more people here takes betting as a job...

Naah, by no means is betting a job for me nor will it ever be, I'm still a college student at the moment. It's more like a lucrative hobby for me. 1 unit for me is $50, and the standard bet ranges from 3-10 units depending on how confident I am. On the contrary, I think backing dogs is quite profitable as long as you're smart about it and stake properly with regards to the favorites that you back.

zethand
07-27-2008, 08:42 PM
dont know if there is a thread already about it,is it is please direct me.

i would like to know how many of you take betting as a job.me for instant,i work 1 job and have dveloping company.but the winnings payed for my last 2 vacations.aruba,mauritius full covared.myaverage bet is around 300euro.

as i am watching the gamblers lounge,it seems people are just writing,what they think.or guess.tey say value this value that,but fuck,if u bet 5 euro,who the fuck cares???u wan to win big or just fuck around?most of the companies out there are making money of this morons,who take for example levine @27 vs nadal.they say its value...fuck off,if u bet 4$.

so i hope u got my point and feel free to share your thoughts!


Ur statement is RELATIVE. Gambling could be a profit activity if you know how to do it... but if you are a beginner I wouldn't recomend you, start with a bet of 300 euro... Unless you are a rich person. The perspective is just different.. if you have payed ur vacation with your earnings.. that's great... I invite you to give us your opinion and considerations!

Let the people bet 4 uds.. perhaps they are starting.... Most of the people who post here, have a good knowledge about tennis.. and their comments are helpful!

This is betting nothing is certain! Bet what you want and when you want. I would never risk my car or my house... just what I can afford. Between 40 & 50usd is my average I hope one day I can get the level you have.. perhaps when I get a job, I will bet more... today I cannot do it.. because if I lose I do not have extra money to pay the rent.

kokot
07-28-2008, 10:44 AM
Ur statement is RELATIVE. Gambling could be a profit activity if you know how to do it... but if you are a beginner I wouldn't recomend you, start with a bet of 300 euro... Unless you are a rich person. The perspective is just different.. if you have payed ur vacation with your earnings.. that's great... I invite you to give us your opinion and considerations!

Let the people bet 4 uds.. perhaps they are starting.... Most of the people who post here, have a good knowledge about tennis.. and their comments are helpful!

This is betting nothing is certain! Bet what you want and when you want. I would never risk my car or my house... just what I can afford. Between 40 & 50usd is my average I hope one day I can get the level you have.. perhaps when I get a job, I will bet more... today I cannot do it.. because if I lose I do not have extra money to pay the rent.

i have never said that betting is certain,it is sport where one thing the smallest of them all can change the outcome of even 100% winner,if there is such a thing.i was just surprised that every time i come to forum there are mostly the same people writing,and i thought that they do it as job...i guess i am wrong.

ivekinjo
07-28-2008, 12:16 PM
no job is certain, people fail at simple low paid jobs

Henry Chinaski
07-28-2008, 12:33 PM
Betting pays for the weekend and other luxuries and allows me to happily live the life of an unemployed bum at the moment.
It's something I enjoy and trying to earn a proper living out of it would probably take the fun out of it. I doubt I could handle the stress of it to be honest and would probably end up a severly bitter and twisted individual. I'll probably give it a go some day though just so I'll at least know if it was something achievable.

Gamblore
07-28-2008, 01:22 PM
Naah, by no means is betting a job for me nor will it ever be, I'm still a college student at the moment. It's more like a lucrative hobby for me. 1 unit for me is $50, and the standard bet ranges from 3-10 units depending on how confident I am. On the contrary, I think backing dogs is quite profitable as long as you're smart about it and stake properly with regards to the favorites that you back.

Holy sweet mother of mercy, you bet 50 units on Federer or Nadal to lose and 1 unit is $50. My god are you insane. 9/10 Fed or Nadal doesn't lose and your in the whole $2500 everytime they lose. This is no way to gamble, kids do not do this at home:eek:

A_Skywalker
07-28-2008, 01:33 PM
I almost have it as job, I bet only for fun with hamburger money, because I dont have money to lose, but I own some webpages for betting, my latest one is a betting forum- http://www.betting-forum.com/ that I will try to make big. My idea is to have registered at least 2000 people registered after 5 months.

As for betting for living, this is something that only a few people can do. Poker pros and some in sportsbetting. People that clearly see the value bets.

akki7147
07-28-2008, 01:51 PM
are there any jobs available in uk???

A_Skywalker
07-28-2008, 03:03 PM
^ Best Bloke!

I agree.

I hate comming on the forums and seeing people pick 10 $3.00+ dogs, and saying "Value". I havent ever picked a dog lol.

I guess you lose a lot of money with this tactics, if you pick only peope under the odds of @2.0 you will always end losing in long term.

ivekinjo
07-28-2008, 06:49 PM
you are very wrong

bad gambler
07-29-2008, 12:48 AM
Not sure why you had this idea of many people here making a living from gambling to begin with tbh

ryan23
07-29-2008, 11:16 AM
I almost have it as job, I bet only for fun with hamburger money, because I dont have money to lose, but I own some webpages for betting, my latest one is a betting forum- http://www.betting-forum.com/ that I will try to make big. My idea is to have registered at least 2000 people registered after 5 months.

As for betting for living, this is something that only a few people can do. Poker pros and some in sportsbetting. People that clearly see the value bets.

Like you say poker seems to be the best for people-it certainly cant be a lot of sports as its becoming harder and harder imo

If you know what your doing with poker there is money to be made but i'm not convinced that many people can do it for a long period of time but best of luck to them

Horatio Caine
07-29-2008, 12:58 PM
Just a(n enjoyable) hobby for me...wouldn't be good enough to "turn pro" even if I wanted to, and I don't. Plenty of challenges in the business world to be getting on with, with any luck. :D

A_Skywalker
07-29-2008, 02:03 PM
Well, its not only to guessing the matches, its about keeping your nerves, especially when you know you play for money. When you lose you freak out and you just think how to win back that money and lose more.
I dont bet with money( well, only with hamburger money) for that reason, I just know I am not so good psychologically even though I guess a lot of matches.
To the gamblers here I recommend to play TT or PAW, this games help a lot.

ryan23
07-29-2008, 10:36 PM
Just a(n enjoyable) hobby for me...wouldn't be good enough to "turn pro" even if I wanted to, and I don't. Plenty of challenges in the business world to be getting on with, with any luck. :D

Thats a great attitude- even if i did think i was really good at it ( which i dont) i cant imagine the stress that would come with doing it knowing i need winners to pay a mortgage,bills etc etc... the fun would go out of it then knowing i need atleast a winner a day or more.. Maybe if i was single still living at home with no daughter and partner i could give it a go but no way when i have to afford so many other things...

dave nz
08-21-2008, 05:46 AM
Article :


Do you have what it takes to be a pro gambler?


This article is in particular for people who wonder whether you yourself, or someone you know can make a living off the income from sports betting.
I have been a semi or fully professional sports gambler for 14 years. Its been a long and early on especially a bumpy ride. Starting out for the first 5 years nearly everyone doubted me succeeding. To be fair those first 5 years or so, were when most of my mistakes where made.
Ahead to today and my capping methods are now at a point where it takes me far less time to cap my card for the day than what it used to. My results are as good as ever and some of those same people who doubted me initially, now never question my success or not. They know I grind out profits year after year. Yes I have losing weeks, but in the long term I come out ahead. One of the best things I like about my life I live, is being able to have the freedom to do what I want when I want and no boss telling me what to do.


Below is a checklist :


*You need the discipline to stick to your capping methods for all bets and never force a bet.

*Many years of experience in the game. That has taught you to never to chase and bet a too high a % of your bankroll.

*Capping methods that produce a proven long term record of profit. A big enough bankroll so that yearly average R.O.I. (return on investment) is enough to live on.

*Do you take to sports gambling like a duck takes to water? In other words do you grasp sports betting terms and meanings and concepts easily? or do you often have to go over them many times before you understand.

*Passion for sports betting. Without this your longevity won't cut it.


If you answered yes to all those questions you are a rare breed and have a legitimate shot. On the other hand If you answered no to any of the above, I'm afraid the reality is you are unlikely to make it. Harsh it may sound, but that is the reality.
The ratio of those who can make it is estimated to be around 1-2%. To this day everyone I have talked to who has shown an interest, I have advised them NOT to try and live off the income of sportsbetting. If I ever meet and have a conversation to the exceptional person who I believe can make it, I will tell them so, but as I say I'm yet to go there.

dave nz

dave nz
08-21-2008, 05:48 AM
Thats a great attitude- even if i did think i was really good at it ( which i dont) i cant imagine the stress that would come with doing it knowing i need winners to pay a mortgage,bills etc etc... the fun would go out of it then knowing i need atleast a winner a day or more.. Maybe if i was single still living at home with no daughter and partner i could give it a go but no way when i have to afford so many other things...

If you are good enough (and that is the whole key) the stress isn't much of an issue.
Also not to overdo it. Take time to unwind. Eat right, enough exercise, sunshine etc.

Gamblore
08-21-2008, 06:43 AM
Good read.

*You need the discipline to stick to your capping methods for all bets and never force a bet.

Thats pretty much my problem sometimes. I bet on too many games a day. If i stuck to just 2 or 3, i'd probably have a better profit.

It sounds so simple and yet, we or i constantly make silly mistakes.

nastoff
08-21-2008, 06:48 AM
I don't think it can be done. Take a look at the Wednesday tennis picks and the 90% of them were losers ( Karlovic, Melzer, Ginepri, Hanescu, Minar, etc ). And that happens most of the time.
Now I'd like to know about these other methods where you can reliably increase your bank without having to pick winners and get a liability on your bank in the first place? When people picked Karlovic they had to risk more than 5 times their stake for 1 part of profit. Picking underdogs doesn't seem to work either. You can study a match all you like and be 100% sure that it's a winner and it can still lose.
The very idea that you can use that as a reliable income to replace a job is ludicrous. It's gambling, you risk your money everytime you place a bet, so what are those trusted capping methods that work everytime?

Gamblore
08-21-2008, 06:51 AM
Betting Tennis is the quickest way to the poor house, no shit GSM.

ryan23
08-22-2008, 10:43 PM
If you are good enough (and that is the whole key) the stress isn't much of an issue.
Also not to overdo it. Take time to unwind. Eat right, enough exercise, sunshine etc.

You make some good points buddy but 1 problem the sun never fu**ing shines here its England :( lol

ryan23
08-22-2008, 10:46 PM
I don't think it can be done. Take a look at the Wednesday tennis picks and the 90% of them were losers ( Karlovic, Melzer, Ginepri, Hanescu, Minar, etc ). And that happens most of the time.
Now I'd like to know about these other methods where you can reliably increase your bank without having to pick winners and get a liability on your bank in the first place? When people picked Karlovic they had to risk more than 5 times their stake for 1 part of profit. Picking underdogs doesn't seem to work either. You can study a match all you like and be 100% sure that it's a winner and it can still lose.
The very idea that you can use that as a reliable income to replace a job is ludicrous. It's gambling, you risk your money everytime you place a bet, so what are those trusted capping methods that work everytime?

You need to remember that the week before any GS is the most difficult- the bigger the event the more reliable the matches ive found

what i dont get is these so called professionsals betting big money on tennis players when they have no live pictures- how can you tell how your pick is doing by a shitty sb- we all know stats on a sb can look deceiving, btw i'm not saying anyone on this board is doing this but theres are people out their e.g betfair forum that are betting big money on matches when they havent seen any matches of a certain tournament-we all know that most players have 2 sides the likes of Verdasco,Fish,Ginepri,Blake and many many more are capable of ebating decent players but are also capable of horrible loses and going out in round 1-

Some Tennis results are getting so strange that the only way to win consistently is to bet in running once youve seen wtf is going on

jayjay
08-23-2008, 12:28 AM
I don't think it can be done. Take a look at the Wednesday tennis picks and the 90% of them were losers ( Karlovic, Melzer, Ginepri, Hanescu, Minar, etc ). And that happens most of the time.
Now I'd like to know about these other methods where you can reliably increase your bank without having to pick winners and get a liability on your bank in the first place? When people picked Karlovic they had to risk more than 5 times their stake for 1 part of profit. Picking underdogs doesn't seem to work either. You can study a match all you like and be 100% sure that it's a winner and it can still lose.
The very idea that you can use that as a reliable income to replace a job is ludicrous. It's gambling, you risk your money everytime you place a bet, so what are those trusted capping methods that work everytime?

You're really coming at this the wrong way and to say "it can't be done" is just plain wrong. For a few years I was doing it, before I lost my discipline, and work with and around people who have done it and are still doing it. Those who stopped did so because they came into positions that enabled to earn a very good living at less risk, but still in the gaming industry.

People who are good at capping their sport and sensible with their stakes are the people who have "trusted capping methods that work everytime". And if by "everytime" you meant every bet, then that's not what I meant. I'm talking on an annual basis.

Using some random week in the tennis world involving some very topsy turvy players to claim that it's too difficult is ludicrous. And you go on to say picking dogs doesn't work either! So picking favs and dogs is no good you say? lol. Well one or the other has to win, mate, even if you were just taking a stab in the dark.

People do do it, and as Dave said, the general consensus is that the % is two percent. So yes, for many, many people it is not a viable career choice, even if they actually know their sport well - as if they don't keep to all the other disciplines, they will fall. I can speak of that from personal reckless experience.

And when you say "be 100% sure it is a winner" is just something professionals don't deal in. A professional asseses match up and price and bets accordingly, they don't "know" for certain it will be a winner, but they are backing their judgement against the books and if they are as good as they need to be then they can and will make a living out of it over the long haul.

That doesn't mean a life of luxury, for some it may, but not all. Depends just what the stakes are, and there are professionals in all of the major sports, including tennis. There isn't a sport that is "easy" to cap and there isn't one that is just too difficult for anyone to achieve. Personally I always thought NBA or MLB were the hardest to conquer because of the day in, day out battles and the varying factors such as pitcher, but I ended up meeting people who capped those sports for a living successfully and in turn they couldn't understand how to conquer sports I was working on.

No sport is uncappable, but it takes a certain kind of person and quality to do it over a prolonged period. There aren't many of those around and that's why there are bookmakers in the first place. Alot easier to be a bookie than to be a bookie basher. Having played both sides of the fence, again I can speak with experience.

More challenging to be a bookie basher, but more rewarding to be on the book's side than not.

nastoff
08-23-2008, 10:33 AM
jayjay, I hear you, that's why I formulated my initial statement as an opinion (I think) rather than a fact - I didn't categorically say that it can't be done over a prolonged period of time but I have serious doubts it can be done..
The starting premise is that you're trying to find value pre-match betting in, say, a sport like tennis where the favourites are usually extremely low on the odds. The fastest way of securing profit from this type of betting is by picking winners consistently. If you follow a strategy of picking, say, all favourites you might end up getting a 10%-20% increase of your bank throughout the course of a season; which is hardly a profit you can use as a regular income. Then the issue of discipline could play an enormous part - what happens when you have a period of "drought" where picking favourites is simply not cost-effective - and you end up losing money? ( a period we're witnessing since the French Open and which is continuing until now ). What happens if that period lasts for months and months? How do you maintain your discipline waiting for the better days that will inevitably come?
Then of course backing underdogs is surely a losing strategy because the underdogs win at the most unexpected of times. Who would have thought that Fish would beat Federer or that Henin would lose to Bartoli for example? I don't think even 1% of bettors could have predicted these results prior to the event, hence my statement that either strategy is unsuccesful.
However, I'd be interested to hear the "grey" version of a successful bettor - which is always the way things work.

Horatio Caine
08-23-2008, 11:33 AM
The starting premise is that you're trying to find value pre-match betting in, say, a sport like tennis where the favourites are usually extremely low on the odds.

Please define "extremely low on the odds?" There are numerous 1.40+ favourites priced in any tournament week, aren't there?

The fastest way of securing profit from this type of betting is by picking winners consistently.

I don't use that strategy, but, I imagine that hitting a very high percentage of winners (75-80%+?) is a must...

If you follow a strategy of picking, say, all favourites you might end up getting a 10%-20% increase of your bank throughout the course of a season; which is hardly a profit you can use as a regular income.

I'm not sure the average punter on this particular strategy could hope for an ROI even that high. I'm sure that there are a few out there who do very well out of this strategy, but, also, it wouldn't surprise me if 99% finish in deficit. Dunno. :shrug:


Then the issue of discipline could play an enormous part - what happens when you have a period of "drought" where picking favourites is simply not cost-effective - and you end up losing money?
( a period we're witnessing since the French Open and which is continuing until now ).
What happens if that period lasts for months and months? How do you maintain your discipline waiting for the better days that will inevitably come?

Different people react to droughts in different ways. For some, "slashing" stakes is a viable option...gives you a little more time to recover confidence and form, and maybe also experiment with different/modified strategies.

You mention "we" on a number of occasions...why? As mentioned, each individual is different, and, where some are going through a slump, others are riding nicely through this period of time you mention (certainly one particular poster in the tennis betting forum).


Then of course backing underdogs is surely a losing strategy because the underdogs win at the most unexpected of times.

Can't say that I agree.

I think you'd be hard-pushed to find an individual who bets 100% of the time on underdogs, but certainly I've seen a number of guys cash in successful seasons betting 90%+ time on this strategy, and I can also speak from my own (more limited) experience.

Sure, many of the underdogs win at "unexpected times," but there also a number of occasions when you might consider that the odds are quite wrong (and you must therefore act accordingly)...for instance, I'm remembering Simon vs. Young in R1 of the Nottingham Open, June. I couldn't think of a single reason why Simon should be priced at 2.20 (took with Stan James), considering match-up, Young's form, recent track record etc going into that match (even if he did win junior Wimbledon). So, in some ways, I kinda expected Simon to win. :shrug:


Who would have thought that Fish would beat Federer or that Henin would lose to Bartoli for example? I don't think even 1% of bettors could have predicted these results prior to the event, hence my statement that either strategy is unsuccesful.

Sure, I doubt people really expected these results to happen, but there are individuals who do speculate on the much higher odds (again, see one particular poster in tennis betting forum)...if you were to do this religiously, I'm not sure you'd find success in the long-run, but the trick (as has been demonstrated) is to pick up on when that heavy favourite might be particularly vulnerable. Certainly, from my own experience, I'm no good at this at all, and very seldom do it. :p

ryan23
08-23-2008, 11:37 AM
Jay just out of interest is their 1 sport that statistically pro gamblers do much better in? or should isay is their 1 sport that a lot of them would say yep that sport is the best for making money...?

jayjay
08-23-2008, 12:20 PM
jayjay, I hear you, that's why I formulated my initial statement as an opinion (I think) rather than a fact - I didn't categorically say that it can't be done over a prolonged period of time but I have serious doubts it can be done..

I respect that, but the fact is there are people who do it, not many at all, but there - so it can be done, but not by average joe.

The starting premise is that you're trying to find value pre-match betting in, say, a sport like tennis where the favourites are usually extremely low on the odds.

Well I don't agree with that at all, so we are immediately on a different page. The way I used to work was in particular keying in on favs in and around the 8/11-1/3 mark that I believed to be better chances than the prices they were given, and there are plenty of those around over the course of a season. Plenty.

The fastest way of securing profit from this type of betting is by picking winners consistently.

That goes without saying, and the way I used to work I always had a target of 65-70% over a course of a season which provided me with a modest living. The money I was earning was not spectacular, just an average life, with the main benefits being I watched sport for a living and could be as lazy as I wanted.

If you follow a strategy of picking, say, all favourites you might end up getting a 10%-20% increase of your bank throughout the course of a season; which is hardly a profit you can use as a regular income.

Here again we are off in completely different directions to begin with - why are you insistent on seeing picking favs or picking dogs as a strategy? This is no strategy.

A professional will at times find a 1/5 shot that he/she is more than happy to be back and at others a 5/2 shot. There is no such strategy as "pick favs and you'll win", or "pick dogs and you'll win".

No. Sometimes you will find that over used term "value" in a fav and sometimes in a dog. It depends match to match, there is no pre-determined action.

Then the issue of discipline could play an enormous part - what happens when you have a period of "drought" where picking favourites is simply not cost-effective - and you end up losing money? ( a period we're witnessing since the French Open and which is continuing until now ). What happens if that period lasts for months and months? How do you maintain your discipline waiting for the better days that will inevitably come?

These are the tests of a professional gambler. Any gambler no matter how good or bad will have had runs of wins and losses. An average everyday gambler will chase his losses and find himself in more trouble sooner or later, and a professional will put faith in their capping ability and know that the tables will turn (if the capper has proven over time he can make consistent profit, he will know it will be ok in the end).

How you maintain your discipline? By having a set of rules and following them religiously, once you break out of that you expose yourself to some severe danger. I was guilty of this and got away with it a few times on the bounce, that developed complacency and recklessness and I went to the well one too many times.

I crossed the line from professional gambler to gambling professional.

A professional gambler uses the industry as a means to an end.

A gambling professional becomes more concerned with gambling frequently rather than picking and choosing their spots.

Who would have thought that Fish would beat Federer or that Henin would lose to Bartoli for example? I don't think even 1% of bettors could have predicted these results prior to the event, hence my statement that either strategy is unsuccesful.

Yeah but your "strategy" is completely flawed because only a fool would say to themselves that they either only back favs or only back dogs. It's really got nothing to do with that.

In relation to the matches you bring up, yes I agree, results like that which no one or very few will pick do come about. I'd have easily told you Federer and Henin would have won those matches BUT that doesn't mean I would have backed either of them at their prices.

As a professional I would rarely, if ever, touch anything below 1/5.

Jay just out of interest is their 1 sport that statistically pro gamblers do much better in? or should isay is their 1 sport that a lot of them would say yep that sport is the best for making money...?

Not as far as I'm aware but I'm sure everyone will give you their theory on it and claim one sport is better than the next. I mix with alot of horse racing professionals and they often find it hard to grasp the fact that a team at EVS is a good bet as opposed to the 4's and 5's they are getting on favs they are backing. However, what they must consider is that if I'm betting on EVS on a tennis match there are only two outcomes possible. They may be getting better prices, but conversly, they are also betting against a far greater amount of possible outcomes.

If there is one area of gambling that bookmakers are afraid of, it's niche markets. Not your win-lose-draw market, but specified markets such as time of goals, bookings, corners etc. As these type of markets are purely numbers based and professionals can find an edge in it before a compiler can, it just depends who is best at it. Who spots the trends first and on what basis does the pro or bookie believe the trends will continue or cease.

And niche markets for any sport as bookies generally are ok with their prices on major sports on a win/lose/draw level, but with the newer markets there is scope for them to be burned - but not by the public at large of course, the public at large will always lose to the bookie in the long run, always.

kokot
08-24-2008, 10:45 PM
i open this thread to find out how many here are really tru pros.i am not.so far none,and most of the picks no offense look like it.picking dogs,at the odds i would not touch.lots of examples every day and surely more to come starting us open.for example,saying to treat fedex as any other player on tour?are you serious?why then isnt he priced at 200 or even 1000?you can write it because you are betting nothing,50-500 mostly.if you will be betting 5000 i dare you to say it,and if you do i will salute you if show me the ticket with youzhny for exmple for 5k outright.my point is,more you bet more you think racionaly,dont know if i wrote it right.and to be honest,none of the pro punters out there will write it here,that they bet 10k on matches.they would keep it to themself,otherwise the odds will be slashed down.but good to read some of the posts.some,hmmm,some are plain empty,if you know what i mean...

kokot
08-24-2008, 10:49 PM
Not sure why you had this idea of many people here making a living from gambling to begin with tbh


was just curious.something wrong with that?i hope not..but some people spend incredible time in here,so i thought that they are pros.

Gamblore
08-25-2008, 04:28 AM
was just curious.something wrong with that?i hope not..but some people spend incredible time in here,so i thought that they are pros.

Degenerates

L James
09-06-2008, 02:46 AM
I respect that, but the fact is there are people who do it, not many at all, but there - so it can be done, but not by average joe.



Well I don't agree with that at all, so we are immediately on a different page. The way I used to work was in particular keying in on favs in and around the 8/11-1/3 mark that I believed to be better chances than the prices they were given, and there are plenty of those around over the course of a season. Plenty.



That goes without saying, and the way I used to work I always had a target of 65-70% over a course of a season which provided me with a modest living. The money I was earning was not spectacular, just an average life, with the main benefits being I watched sport for a living and could be as lazy as I wanted.



Here again we are off in completely different directions to begin with - why are you insistent on seeing picking favs or picking dogs as a strategy? This is no strategy.

A professional will at times find a 1/5 shot that he/she is more than happy to be back and at others a 5/2 shot. There is no such strategy as "pick favs and you'll win", or "pick dogs and you'll win".

No. Sometimes you will find that over used term "value" in a fav and sometimes in a dog. It depends match to match, there is no pre-determined action.



These are the tests of a professional gambler. Any gambler no matter how good or bad will have had runs of wins and losses. An average everyday gambler will chase his losses and find himself in more trouble sooner or later, and a professional will put faith in their capping ability and know that the tables will turn (if the capper has proven over time he can make consistent profit, he will know it will be ok in the end).

How you maintain your discipline? By having a set of rules and following them religiously, once you break out of that you expose yourself to some severe danger. I was guilty of this and got away with it a few times on the bounce, that developed complacency and recklessness and I went to the well one too many times.

I crossed the line from professional gambler to gambling professional.

A professional gambler uses the industry as a means to an end.

A gambling professional becomes more concerned with gambling frequently rather than picking and choosing their spots.



Yeah but your "strategy" is completely flawed because only a fool would say to themselves that they either only back favs or only back dogs. It's really got nothing to do with that.

In relation to the matches you bring up, yes I agree, results like that which no one or very few will pick do come about. I'd have easily told you Federer and Henin would have won those matches BUT that doesn't mean I would have backed either of them at their prices.

As a professional I would rarely, if ever, touch anything below 1/5.



Not as far as I'm aware but I'm sure everyone will give you their theory on it and claim one sport is better than the next. I mix with alot of horse racing professionals and they often find it hard to grasp the fact that a team at EVS is a good bet as opposed to the 4's and 5's they are getting on favs they are backing. However, what they must consider is that if I'm betting on EVS on a tennis match there are only two outcomes possible. They may be getting better prices, but conversly, they are also betting against a far greater amount of possible outcomes.

If there is one area of gambling that bookmakers are afraid of, it's niche markets. Not your win-lose-draw market, but specified markets such as time of goals, bookings, corners etc. As these type of markets are purely numbers based and professionals can find an edge in it before a compiler can, it just depends who is best at it. Who spots the trends first and on what basis does the pro or bookie believe the trends will continue or cease.

And niche markets for any sport as bookies generally are ok with their prices on major sports on a win/lose/draw level, but with the newer markets there is scope for them to be burned - but not by the public at large of course, the public at large will always lose to the bookie in the long run, always.

jayjay - Nice to read your insights :yeah: You mentioned that in the past you lost discipline which led to problems, do you still have a punt now or have you given it up?

ryan23
09-06-2008, 03:56 AM
As gamblers be it pro or just for fun i woulda thought we have all gone far to deep and had problems- a few years back i was losing a couple of bets and started to chase pretty hard, obviously i told nobody and was betting around 2k a week and losing it this went no for months until i really had no money- i managed to pull myself round and now its fun for me sure i do go big no some bets but ican afford to now where as ni the past icouldnt its a horrible place to be because we all start of gambling because we love these sports but when your gambling to make money alone you just cant enjoy it and i would hate to go back to that day in day out!

but there is such a great feeling when a big bet comes in- a bit like sex :)

jayjay
09-06-2008, 01:13 PM
jayjay - Nice to read your insights :yeah: You mentioned that in the past you lost discipline which led to problems, do you still have a punt now or have you given it up?

After a few years of making it as a professional I had built up a very healthy balance but always in the back of my mind I have this trigger in me that makes me want gamble in a reckless way. What I mean by that is winning consistently and gradually had become "boring" for me. That was the worst thing to ever happen in my life, because I crossed a line.

At that point in my "career", all I needed to do was keep doing what I was doing, it was working for me very well, but as I said I had become bored of how easy it had become and I craved some type of pressure/fear when making my picks. I saw the 2002 WC as a massive life changing opportunity for me - (a) I thought, genuinly, that Argentina were nailed on to win that WC for many, many reasons which I bored everyone I knew with and (b) that this was a chance to make a massive push and get myself in a position that would set my life up in a fantastic way.

I unloaded 80% of my previous years work on Argentina on OR, winning the group and the individual matches. As we all know, my only joy there was a nervy 1-0 win over Nigeria, after that it was all down hill and my whole world came crashing down around me. I still watch the last 20mins of that Sweden match wondering how it's possible we couldn't even create good chances to score in desperation. :lol:

It was a huge blow to me psychologically, not even financially, because I was still well up but obviously as many gamblers know - the feeling of a massive loss often causes one to "chase". So frantically chase I did for the next couple of months, and the worst of all was that I delved out of my comfort zone of football/tennis into other sports which I followed (but would not claim to be expert on) in a rush to recover what I had lost.

Anyone with sense could have told me there and then that I was not going to be able to recover the 80% I had lost (built up over 4 years) in the space of a few weeks, but by then I had lost my mind, and consequently lost the remaining 20% I had built, and a fuck load more.

It took me a long time to get over it financially and mentally. Mentally more than financially, because obviously I have major regrets about what I did for many reasons - 1. It caused me alot of pain, but even more pain to people who were close to me (I didn't have a wife or kids or anything) and were worried for what I had done and what I might do to recover the situation. 2. After I finished A-Levels, I seriously wanted to become professional and was very pleased I was making it work despite my non-believing friends who didn't think it would be possible. After I fucked up, I knew that there was no way back for me now as a professional and I'd have to get back into the real world and that I had blown my chance to have my ideal job (aside from being a footballer :D ).

Once I had recovered my financial situation, I gambled again, but obviously not as a way of life. Stakes were alot smaller and win or lose it was not do or die. I was able to supplement gambling with working and that's the situation I find myself in now, and it's as good as it's going to get for me and fortunately I'm now in a very good position both personally and professionally.

Last football season, I wanted to get back into routine and did the football factory thread on MTF, mainly to test my self on a discipline level to see if I could stick to the rules I had set myself and even though the season ended negatively for me, I realised that I had now recovered myself on a discipline level and I could stick to it.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=106570

I still play "big" where I see fit, but not on a day to day basis. For example, I once again pinpointed Argentina for the Olympics (3k @ 9/4) and was able to recover my 2007/2008 season and more in one fell swoop (as I told Ryan previously - this was effectively my "bet of the year" - much like my Argentina 2002 pick :lol: ). I pick and choose my spots for big plays, otherwise I still gamble regularly, but they are mostly interest/minimal plays - ranging from £100-200.

For the US Open for example, I have a £200 EW double (£400 stake) on Serena/Novak. £50 EW (£100 stake) on JJ. £25 EW (£50 stake) on Nalbandian. Not major money, but enough to keep me interested.

I'm on the way to becoming a compiler now and I also have another role in football/tennis so I'm in a good place now because my life is still surrounded by sport, which is what I always wanted.

Gamblore
09-06-2008, 01:56 PM
Yeah man, Argentina were destined to win the Gold at the Olympics and i back them as soon as the market came out. They crashed out of the WC and they blew the Copa America, even though they were better than Brazil imo. They were due here, they really were. I watched Brazil in most of there games and they look really bad. Dunga needs to go. There creativity is so poor and there striking options is just terrible.

Nitefaery
09-07-2008, 12:01 AM
I have known several gamblers who used it as their sole income. None of them are very happy people.. none of them have any form of financial stability. The most well-off individual was known to all as a very wealthy man but a few years ago things took a turn for the worse and he ended up working at a home improvement store and selling everything he owns. Another sits at his computer 24/7 and won't answer the phone when he's taken a loss. I guess my point is sure your could make betting your job but I don't see how it would ever work in your favor. Especially when your betting on whether or not you get paid this week, or can pay your bills on time. It's just not something you should rely on for future income. Not to mention the stress over games will eat away at your health over time. Anything can happen, that's why it's gambling

L James
09-07-2008, 08:19 AM
After a few years of making it as a professional I had built up a very healthy balance but always in the back of my mind I have this trigger in me that makes me want gamble in a reckless way. What I mean by that is winning consistently and gradually had become "boring" for me. That was the worst thing to ever happen in my life, because I crossed a line.

At that point in my "career", all I needed to do was keep doing what I was doing, it was working for me very well, but as I said I had become bored of how easy it had become and I craved some type of pressure/fear when making my picks. I saw the 2002 WC as a massive life changing opportunity for me - (a) I thought, genuinly, that Argentina were nailed on to win that WC for many, many reasons which I bored everyone I knew with and (b) that this was a chance to make a massive push and get myself in a position that would set my life up in a fantastic way.

I unloaded 80% of my previous years work on Argentina on OR, winning the group and the individual matches. As we all know, my only joy there was a nervy 1-0 win over Nigeria, after that it was all down hill and my whole world came crashing down around me. I still watch the last 20mins of that Sweden match wondering how it's possible we couldn't even create good chances to score in desperation. :lol:

It was a huge blow to me psychologically, not even financially, because I was still well up but obviously as many gamblers know - the feeling of a massive loss often causes one to "chase". So frantically chase I did for the next couple of months, and the worst of all was that I delved out of my comfort zone of football/tennis into other sports which I followed (but would not claim to be expert on) in a rush to recover what I had lost.

Anyone with sense could have told me there and then that I was not going to be able to recover the 80% I had lost (built up over 4 years) in the space of a few weeks, but by then I had lost my mind, and consequently lost the remaining 20% I had built, and a fuck load more.

It took me a long time to get over it financially and mentally. Mentally more than financially, because obviously I have major regrets about what I did for many reasons - 1. It caused me alot of pain, but even more pain to people who were close to me (I didn't have a wife or kids or anything) and were worried for what I had done and what I might do to recover the situation. 2. After I finished A-Levels, I seriously wanted to become professional and was very pleased I was making it work despite my non-believing friends who didn't think it would be possible. After I fucked up, I knew that there was no way back for me now as a professional and I'd have to get back into the real world and that I had blown my chance to have my ideal job (aside from being a footballer :D ).

Once I had recovered my financial situation, I gambled again, but obviously not as a way of life. Stakes were alot smaller and win or lose it was not do or die. I was able to supplement gambling with working and that's the situation I find myself in now, and it's as good as it's going to get for me and fortunately I'm now in a very good position both personally and professionally.

Last football season, I wanted to get back into routine and did the football factory thread on MTF, mainly to test my self on a discipline level to see if I could stick to the rules I had set myself and even though the season ended negatively for me, I realised that I had now recovered myself on a discipline level and I could stick to it.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=106570

I still play "big" where I see fit, but not on a day to day basis. For example, I once again pinpointed Argentina for the Olympics (3k @ 9/4) and was able to recover my 2007/2008 season and more in one fell swoop (as I told Ryan previously - this was effectively my "bet of the year" - much like my Argentina 2002 pick :lol: ). I pick and choose my spots for big plays, otherwise I still gamble regularly, but they are mostly interest/minimal plays - ranging from £100-200.

For the US Open for example, I have a £200 EW double (£400 stake) on Serena/Novak. £50 EW (£100 stake) on JJ. £25 EW (£50 stake) on Nalbandian. Not major money, but enough to keep me interested.

I'm on the way to becoming a compiler now and I also have another role in football/tennis so I'm in a good place now because my life is still surrounded by sport, which is what I always wanted.

Thanks again for the insight. Discipline is my downfall and whilst I'm able to keep my head for 90-95% of the time, I've found myself undoing long periods of good work in a short space of time repeatedly. I can identify with the situation you outlined in the first couple of paragraphs of the quoted message above.

Whilst no real damage has been done, I do find myself "going around in circles" i.e building up profit steadily then losing it quickly and whilst overall, sports betting is enjoyable I do wonder about the time I've wasted.

Nevertheless, I will carry on, I don't intend or aim for it to become my primary profession but given my love of sports I do find it intriguing/challenging to try and create an income stream from it. The battle continues though to not let the 'gambling' side override the 'investing' side.

Iván
09-08-2008, 03:42 PM
People who spend nearly all day posting on message boards gamble small stakes in my opinion.

They are good cappers but just do it for some extra money or for some fun.

The serious gamblers are in casinos.

KaiserT
12-21-2011, 01:16 AM
Stumbled on this....randomly.... a good read in parts.

LetsFixIt
12-21-2011, 09:17 AM
im pro and im happy.

Johnny_Bravo
12-21-2011, 02:30 PM
I have known several gamblers who used it as their sole income. None of them are very happy people.. none of them have any form of financial stability. The most well-off individual was known to all as a very wealthy man but a few years ago things took a turn for the worse and he ended up working at a home improvement store and selling everything he owns. Another sits at his computer 24/7 and won't answer the phone when he's taken a loss. I guess my point is sure your could make betting your job but I don't see how it would ever work in your favor. Especially when your betting on whether or not you get paid this week, or can pay your bills on time. It's just not something you should rely on for future income. Not to mention the stress over games will eat away at your health over time. Anything can happen, that's why it's gambling

also knew couple of those:lol:

Crowdmaker
12-27-2011, 01:56 AM
Don`t mean to disrespect anything written here, but I doubt pro gamblers have time to write in here.
To which level each of us are considered serious gamblers is best shown by our current bank accounts, but if there`s any truth in
a myths when it comes to betting is only that we are betting each other`s money!
At the end of the day, bookies are smiling and personally I reckon they are doing mostly excellent job when setting odds.
Probably the most common term in every gambler vocabulary is VALUE. Well, for me value means a WINNING bet, preferably with odds that are making
Profit at least 50% on the staked money. On the long run, these are Single bets, even though I get tempted frequently by combos.
Gambling in general should never be that serious that is considered as daytime job. No matter how successful gambler is, by having this as only income,
pressure is just pilling up and it`s a matter of day when it becomes unbearable.
Just my 2 cents.

KaiserT
12-29-2011, 08:45 AM
Don`t mean to disrespect anything written here, but I doubt pro gamblers have time to write in here.
To which level each of us are considered serious gamblers is best shown by our current bank accounts, but if there`s any truth in
a myths when it comes to betting is only that we are betting each other`s money!
At the end of the day, bookies are smiling and personally I reckon they are doing mostly excellent job when setting odds.
Probably the most common term in every gambler vocabulary is VALUE. Well, for me value means a WINNING bet, preferably with odds that are making
Profit at least 50% on the staked money. On the long run, these are Single bets, even though I get tempted frequently by combos.
Gambling in general should never be that serious that is considered as daytime job. No matter how successful gambler is, by having this as only income,
pressure is just pilling up and it`s a matter of day when it becomes unbearable.
Just my 2 cents.

Betting/trading can be a job.

Someone like Carretero makes a good living betting on tennis with the bookies, and his knowledge of challenger/itf level tennis is clearly better than 99% of bookmaker odds-setters, although he has to work hard to keep opening new accounts.

I made a living betting with bookies, I had a clear edge, but found it difficult to keep opening new accounts and switched my attention to trading on betfair. I currently make a good living betting 80% inplay.

I might not be able to do this for the next 10+ years, not because I would lose my edge, or my discipline, but because betfair are becoming more like a bookmaker and putting big charges on winning customers. Or maybe I'll get bored and wan't to do something else.