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Tommy in Toronto - lost to Davydenko, but good performance!!

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el tenista
07-18-2008, 08:01 PM
Here's the Entry List:

1 Federer, Roger SUI 1
2 Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
3 Djokovic, Novak SRB 3
4 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS 4
5 Ferrer, David ESP 5
6 Roddick, Andy USA 6
7 Blake, James USA 7
OUT Nalbandian, David ARG 8
9 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 9
10 Gasquet, Richard FRA 10
11 Murray, Andy GBR 11
12 Berdych, Tomas CZE 12
13 Almagro, Nicolas ESP 13
OUT Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 14
15 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI 15
16 Stepanek, Radek CZE 16
17 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA 17
18 Youzhny, Mikhail RUS 18
19 Robredo, Tommy ESP 19
20 Verdasco, Fernando ESP 20
OUT Monaco, Juan ARG 21
OUT Karlovic, Ivo CRO 22
23 Baghdatis, Marcos CYP 23
OUT Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP 24
25 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN 25
26 Moya, Carlos ESP 26
OUT Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 27
28 Simon, Gilles FRA 28
29 Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 29
OUT Hewitt, Lleyton AUS 30
31 Seppi, Andreas ITA 31
32 Monfils, Gael FRA 32
33 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 33
34 Andreev, Igor RUS 34
35 Llodra, Michael FRA 35
36 Fish, Mardy USA 36
37 Haas, Tommy GER 37
38 Kiefer, Nicolas GER 38
39 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 39
40 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 40
41 Querrey, Sam USA 41
42 Soderling, Robin SWE 42
43 Benneteau, Julien FRA 43
44 Ancic, Mario CRO 44
45 (SE)
46 (Q)
47 (Q)
48 (Q)
49 (Q)
50 (Q)
51 (Q)
52 (Q)
53 (WC) Safin, Marat RUS
54 (WC) Dancevic, Frank CAN
55 (WC) Niemeyer, Frederic CAN
56 (WC) Polansky, Peter CAN

Alternates
OUT Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG 45
IN Mahut, Nicolas FRA 46
IN Bolelli, Simone ITA 47
IN Canas, Guillermo ARG 48
OUT Calleri, Agustin ARG 49
IN Acasuso, Jose ARG 50
IN Gulbis, Ernests LAT 51
OUT Santoro, Fabrice FRA 52
OUT Darcis, Steve BEL 53
OUT Granollers, Marcel ESP 54
OUT Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR 55
IN Cilic, Marin CRO 56
OUT Gicquel, Marc FRA 57
OUT Starace, Potito ITA 58
IN Ginepri, Robby USA 59
OUT Grosjean, Sebastien FRA 60
OUT Schwank, Eduardo ARG 61
OUT Haase, Robin NED 62
IN Lapentti, Nicolas ECU 63
1. Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 64
OUT Sela, Dudi ISR 65
OUT Gremelmayr, Denis GER 66
OUT Rochus, Olivier BEL 67
2. Bellucci, Thomaz BRA 68
3. Johansson, Thomas SWE 69
OUT Montanes, Albert ESP 70
OUT Minar, Ivo CZE 71
OUT Hanescu, Victor ROU 72
4. Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE 73
5. Koubek, Stefan AUT 74

Poor field for a Masters event, 7 Top 30 players cancelled...Hope for a good draw which comes out tomorrow..C'mon!! He has to defend 75 points...

thefly
07-18-2008, 08:12 PM
yeah, he has to defend some points in Toronto, and a quarter final in Washington, I think. Everywhere else before the USO, it's just a win situation, which is pretty cool.

Btw, does it somehow matter that the calendar is different this year? I think last year Washington and LA were before Toronto and Cincy, no? How does that work?

el tenista
07-18-2008, 08:16 PM
Yes, it matters. For example Nadal's points for Stuttgart will be removed next monday because last year, the tournament in Stuttgart was 1 week later. If this is the case with the tournaments you mentioned, Tommy will lose the points before the tournaments.
So in general the points are only counted for 52 weeks, no matter if the tournament will be played later on.

16681
07-18-2008, 08:49 PM
yeah, he has to defend some points in Toronto, and a quarter final in Washington, I think. Everywhere else before the USO, it's just a win situation, which is pretty cool.

Btw, does it somehow matter that the calendar is different this year? I think last year Washington and LA were before Toronto and Cincy, no? How does that work?
And all the Tournaments were moved up in dates due to the Olympics. While it isn't the strongest field it is certainly much better than Indy was!

el tenista
07-18-2008, 09:02 PM
And all the Tournaments were moved up in dates due to the Olympics. While it isn't the strongest field it is certainly much better than Indy was!

Yeah sure, would have been ridiculous if it had not been better ;)

thefly
07-18-2008, 09:11 PM
But how is it possible to defend points from a Masters Series event in a "normal" event? Do they simply balance the points, no matter that you have to do better in a lesser tournament in order to reach the same or more points? If you see what I mean ...;)

So if I get that right, Tommy won't have to defend any points next week (and neither had to this week), but instead has to defend the Washington points from last year in Cincy in two weeks, and his Toronto points in LA the following week?

Fair enough. :)

el tenista
07-18-2008, 09:44 PM
I'll give you an example:

Let's say, there is a Masters Series event from July 10 to July 17 2007 and an International Series event from July 18 to July 25 2007.
In the next year, the calendar is different: The International Series event which took place after the Masters Series in 2007, is now played from July 10 to July 17 2008 and the Masters Series is played from July 18 to July 25 2008.

Let's say the player reached the Semis at the International Series torunament in 2007 (110 points) and won the Masters Series one (500 points). In 2008, he enters the Interantional Series event and defends his semi but loses 390 points because in 2007, there was the Masters Series tournament at that time. After that, he wins the Masters Series again and the 390 points will be given to the player because he gets 500 points for the win and had to defend only 110 points from the International Series one which took place in 2007 at that time. So far, understood? Hope so :)

According to your thoughts about Tommy's points, I can tell you that you are right. He has no points to defend next week but in 2 weeks he will lose his quarterfinal points of Washington (50 points) when he hopefully plays the Masters Series in Cincinnati...So through winning some matches in Toronto he can improve his ranking but will go down in August when he loses those points of last year.

thefly
07-18-2008, 11:30 PM
Gotcha. :)

So this week's points are already a plus, next week is also an opportunity to gain a lot, as is Washington at the end ... then again, thinking about that, it doesn't really matter where the points are won, it all sums up equally anyway, right? If I win 50 point here and don't defend 50 points there, it's the same as if I don't win 50 points here but defend 50 point there ... :p

Anyway, especially the Masters count of course.

el tenista
07-18-2008, 11:44 PM
Gotcha. :)

So this week's points are already a plus, next week is also an opportunity to gain a lot, as is Washington at the end ... then again, thinking about that, it doesn't really matter where the points are won, it all sums up equally anyway, right? If I win 50 point here and don't defend 50 points there, it's the same as if I don't win 50 points here but defend 50 point there ... :p

Anyway, especially the Masters count of course.

You're right ;)
But this week you have to think about that:
The Entry Ranking counts following tournaments: 4 Grand Slams, 9 Masters Series and the so called "best of other countable tournaments" which is the International Series. Here, the player has the chance to count the 5 best International Series tournaments of one season. In Tommy's case, before Indy, his 5th best of the other tournaments was a Round 16 in San Jose in February 2008 (l.to Isner :devil: ). Through the QF in Indianapolis, San Jose won't count anymore because the QF in Indy counts 40 points.
So you have to calculate as following:
825 (Tommy's score last Monday) - 15 + 40 = 850

el tenista
07-18-2008, 11:49 PM
Why is my last post not shown??!

EDIT: Ah now I can see it :)

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 12:06 AM
Maybe this you already said,but just to ask:
What points Tommy had to defend here in Indianapolis? From what tour?

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:08 AM
Maybe this you already said,but just to ask:
What points Tommy had to defend here in Indianapolis? From what tour?

He had nothing to defend. But due to the "Best of 5 other countable tournaments" rule, not the whole 40 points count, only 25. Look at my last post, there it is explained.

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 12:11 AM
Yeah yeah,and that 25 points,where came from?

thefly
07-19-2008, 12:14 AM
But wasn't that "Best of 5" rule for the Masters Cup race?

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:15 AM
Yeah yeah,and that 25 points,where came from?

Indianapolis QF: 40 points
San Jose 2008 (Haas' 5th best other tournament): 15 points

40-15=25

Look here: http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/pointsbreakdown.asp?player=H355
San Jose will be replaced by Indy ;)

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:15 AM
But wasn't that "Best of 5" rule for the Masters Cup race?

No it counts also for the Entry Ranking.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/pointsbreakdown.asp?player=H355

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 12:18 AM
You won't believe,I was just looking at that page :D Ok I understand,just had to ask,because someone said that he had to defend 50p from Washington last year,so I was confused...

thefly
07-19-2008, 12:19 AM
Saw it, thanks. Well, there's still a lot to gain in these "5 other" tournaments. :p

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:20 AM
You won't believe,I was just looking at that page :D Ok I understand,just had to ask,because someone said that he had to defend 50p from Washington last year,so I was confused...

No ;) As you can see at the link I posted, Washington started on July 29 last year. So those points will be gone when he plays the Masters Series in Cincinnati...Kinda strange this season due to the Olmypics which mixed up the calendar!

thefly
07-19-2008, 12:21 AM
You won't believe,I was just looking at that page :D Ok I understand,just had to ask,because someone said that he had to defend 50p from Washington last year,so I was confused...

He has to defend these points in Cincy this year. If he doesn't, these points you see there in the list will be gone.

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 12:24 AM
yeah but I think that in cincy he will have to defend the points taken from last year which is r16?

thefly
07-19-2008, 12:26 AM
Like stated above, the actual week of the year counts, no matter which tournament is played. You just look at the points lost/gained in a certain week.

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 12:30 AM
It is really difficult to follow that ranking system...I know the basic things about it,but that calendar thing really confuses me...

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:31 AM
Oh yeah, this system is really complicated to understand, I needed a bit of time as well...

@Lugburz: The system works as follows: You only have to defend the points you gained 52 weeks before. It does not have to do anything with the tournaments, just with the time they are played!
An easy example: Tommy wins Toronto this year ( :D ) and gains 500 points. He gains the full 500 points because 52 weeks before he played no tournament! However, on August 11 2008, the R16 points of Toronto last year will be gone because this was the time where the tournament took place last year... Understood?! :confused:

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 12:37 AM
Yep,beautifully explained ! Thanks ! :D

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:38 AM
No problem ;)

So I think everybody got it now :)
1:38 a.m...I guess I will go to bed now ;) Thanks for the chatting despite Tommy's loss. Good night and see you tomorrow when the draw is published...According to the thread in this forum, the draw will be published at 2 p.m. Toronto time which is 6 p.m. CET.

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 12:40 AM
It is always pleasure! So,hear you tomorrow,german fella ! ;)

thefly
07-19-2008, 12:42 AM
No problem ;)

So I think everybody got it now :)
1:38 a.m...I guess I will go to bed now ;) Thanks for the chatting despite Tommy's loss. Good night and see you tomorrow when the draw is published...According to the thread in this forum, the draw will be published at 2 p.m. Toronto time which is 6 p.m. CET.

Yeah, and I think 8 p.m. in good ol' Germany. Till then, good night. Oh, that reminds me ... I should go to bed too ... :p

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:44 AM
Of course, my mistake, I meant 8 p.m. because CET (Central European Time) is the German time :) Sorry ;)
Good night!

Tommy fan
07-19-2008, 12:14 PM
Thanks for the explanation about the rankings! :)


As for Toronto.. Come on Tommy!! Do your best :armed:
sadly he isn't a seed, but with a nice draw (Please please please) he can do some damage..
When does the draw come out?

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:22 PM
Thanks for the explanation about the rankings! :)


As for Toronto.. Come on Tommy!! Do your best :armed:
sadly he isn't a seed, but with a nice draw (Please please please) he can do some damage..
When does the draw come out?

As I mentioned above: Around 8 p.m. CET ;)

Tommy fan
07-19-2008, 12:42 PM
Can't wait :)

I hope Tommy will have a nice draw, he cna he'll get a seed in the 2nd round, but the question is which, it can be a top 5, and it can be #30..

el tenista
07-19-2008, 12:51 PM
Can't wait :)

I hope Tommy will have a nice draw, he cna he'll get a seed in the 2nd round, but the question is which, it can be a top 5, and it can be #30..

Toronto has only a draw including 56 players so I guess there will be only 16 players seeded and not 32...

Edit: Draw 2007: http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/posting/2007/421/MDS.pdf
So only 16 players are seeded...

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 01:21 PM
yep,definitely 16...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Canada_Masters_-_Men%27s_Singles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Canada_Masters_-_Men%27s_Singles)

el tenista
07-19-2008, 01:22 PM
But this means that No.9 - 16 seeds will play Round 1...So Tommy can meet them in Round 1 as well :rolleyes:

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 01:26 PM
yeah,could be bad,but will have to trust Tommy's quality...Just as long if he avoid top 10..

TommyB.
07-19-2008, 01:36 PM
Yeah I hope he can avoid the top 4-5 at the beginning (and a seed in the first round as well).

Anyone knows something about streams for Toronto? Bet365 would be nice..one of the best imo.

el tenista
07-19-2008, 01:39 PM
Streams for Toronto:

ATP Masters Series TV
bet365.com (each day from 17:00 CET on)

So everybody will have a stream ;)

TommyB.
07-19-2008, 01:45 PM
great :)

2 or more court coverage on bet365 would be nice too :angel:

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 03:17 PM
I just now have seen live match between Melzer and Starace at bet365,without paying anything...
Will we have to pay for the Rogers Cup,or it could be seen like now?

el tenista
07-19-2008, 04:35 PM
I just now have seen live match between Melzer and Starace at bet365,without paying anything...
Will we have to pay for the Rogers Cup,or it could be seen like now?

Yes I think so, you won't have to pay anything...This was the case furing the Masters before the Rogers Cup so I think it will be the same ;)

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 04:42 PM
That's great then,lookin' forward seeing every Tommy's match ! ;)

el tenista
07-19-2008, 04:48 PM
That's great then,lookin' forward seeing every Tommy's match ! ;)

He must be scheduled for the first two courts because only there will be TV coverage.

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 04:48 PM
Btw,do you know how to zoom in live streaming from bet365?

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 04:49 PM
He must be scheduled for the first two courts because only there will be TV coverage.

Well he should god damn :D

el tenista
07-19-2008, 04:49 PM
You can only watch it like it is, in this kind of small window...If you mean that ;)

thefly
07-19-2008, 04:52 PM
About bet365, not sure how things are with the rights if that's also true for the Masters Series event, but in Germany we may have to use ***** since the services may not be available here. That was the case at least with the last tournaments shown by bet365 ...

thefly
07-19-2008, 04:55 PM
Btw,do you know how to zoom in live streaming from bet365?

I suggest using a screen magnifier, preferably Magical Glass (http://freestone-group.com/magg.htm). Works well for me. :)

el tenista
07-19-2008, 04:58 PM
About bet365, not sure how things are with the rights if that's also true for the Masters Series event, but in Germany we may have to use ***** since the services may not be available here. That was the case at least with the last tournaments shown by bet365 ...

Well, during the last Masters Series of this season there were no problems. I guess there are only problems when the tournament takes place in Germany (like Stuttgart/Hamburg) because then coverage won't be available here ;)

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 04:59 PM
yep I installed it,and what should I do next?

thefly
07-19-2008, 05:00 PM
lol, is there a reason why the word "*****" gets censored?!

EDIT

lol

TommyB.
07-19-2008, 05:06 PM
Yes I think that's the reason...no coverage of German tournaments for us Germans on bet365. ;) The screen is ok better than bwin for example.

thefly
07-19-2008, 05:39 PM
yep I installed it,and what should I do next?

Are you talking about the Magical Glass? Well, you can run the program, and when you activate it you get a window of optional size that magnifies the desktop wherever you point it. The refresh rate is also pretty decent.

Btw, still don't get why p.r.o.x.y. gets censored here automatically?

And a noob question on my part: what's with the green dots on the left, where I just have a tiny lonely one? ;)

thefly
07-19-2008, 08:02 PM
Draw is out. (http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2008/421/mds.pdf)

lol, ok, if Tommy survives the first two rounds, a lot is possible. But first he has to overcome Moya ... and his pal Davydenko. Oh boy!

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 08:03 PM
yeah and then in third against Youzhny,?! Terrible

thefly
07-19-2008, 08:06 PM
I think Youzhny in a 3rd round of a masters is not so bad, a quarter final would also be very winnable. Actually a good chance to go deep once this second round is mastered.

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 08:09 PM
Ok,Tommy's path will be difficult but we'll see...Tommy ,in my opinion has good game to cause problems...
But here is possibility:
Tommy's path: Moya-Davydenko-Youzhny-Blake-Federer-Djokovic

Tommy fan
07-19-2008, 08:41 PM
:sobbing: :sobbing:

If he can't beat Miya at his current shape, it'll be awful. If Tommy wins that match, I can't see hin beating Davydenko, sorry.
Even when he was playing extremlt well he lost to him, or barely won. So now..

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 09:01 PM
:sobbing: :sobbing:

If he can't beat Miya at his current shape, it'll be awful. If Tommy wins that match, I can't see hin beating Davydenko, sorry.
Even when he was playing extremlt well he lost to him, or barely won. So now..

Well,I can see him beating Davy,because of davydenko bad form right now...And would be good revenge for Tommy if he could beat him...Still Davydemko is yet another 'dirty player' ;)

thefly
07-19-2008, 09:03 PM
I'm looking forward to it. Big challenges make big wins. ;)
Moreover, right now a "nothing to lose" match seems like the right thing - if Tommy takes it that way. Could make him play more at ease and maybe get better tennis out of him. On the other hand, though, he didn't really have fun playing Davydenko in the past ...

Tommy fan
07-19-2008, 09:09 PM
Well,I can see him beating Davy,because of davydenko bad form right now...And would be good revenge for Tommy if he could beat him...Still Davydemko is yet another 'dirty player' ;)
I like your spirit :)
The thing s, that with Tommy, most of the time, it's a mental thing, and he doesn't like playing against Davydenko :(
Plus, he shuld be really really patient, or we should hope Davydenko will have a bad day.
I'm looking forward to it. Big challenges make big wins. ;)
Moreover, right now a "nothing to lose" match seems like the right thing - if Tommy takes it that way. Could make him play more at ease and maybe get better tennis out of him. On the other hand, though, he didn't really have fun playing Davydenko in the past ...
Agree with each word.
But the thing is, the seeded players he got, are those he doesn't exactly playes he likes to play against..

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 09:09 PM
Yeah and seems like all grand slam encounters...But remember,that was best years for Davydenko,God I don't like that player!,but nevermind,I think that Tommy can win this time ! C'mon ! !

Tommy fan
07-19-2008, 09:14 PM
I hope so to, Come on Tommy!! (And btw, he has another match before the Davydenko clash, let's not forget ;) )

Anyway, Tommy vs Moya is a very interesting 1st round match, even though they're both unseeded players. Do you think there's a chance that this match will get some main court?

thefly
07-19-2008, 09:20 PM
But the thing is, the seeded players he got, are those he doesn't exactly playes he likes to play against..

I kinda disagree there. At least I think his half is way less dangerous. Not quite sure about his quarter though. With the exception of Roger, the other quarter may have been better. But like I said, except Davy, this isn't too bad.

Tommy fan
07-19-2008, 09:40 PM
I'll just take it match by match, we'll see how he plays and feel..
So our's (Or his's actually :lol:) 1st mission is: Carlos Moya.

Come on Tommy!!!

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 09:48 PM
Yeah,we will have to think like that,when he beats his first opponent,then everything will be open...
Go get them Tiger! :D :D

Tommy fan
07-19-2008, 09:51 PM
Are any MD matches tommorow too?

Lugburz
07-19-2008, 09:53 PM
I don't think so,that should be held on Monday...

16681
07-19-2008, 10:40 PM
Well I like Moya, but if Tommy is all right he should defeat him. Moya is older and, of course, being from Spain more of a clay court player. I just hope Tommy is all right.
Really Tommy has been hurt almost as much in his tennis career by his temperment as he has been by his injuries (with the exception of all those shoulder surgeries). But then without that temperment he wouldn't be Tommy so I guess we have to live with that as his fans ;)

thefly
07-19-2008, 11:02 PM
But then without that temperment he wouldn't be Tommy so I guess we have to live with that as his fans ;)

Well spoken. :)

el tenista
07-20-2008, 12:04 AM
Anyway, Tommy vs Moya is a very interesting 1st round match, even though they're both unseeded players. Do you think there's a chance that this match will get some main court?

Definitely. If I take a look at the 1st round matches of Toronto, Tommy vs. Moya will be the match which will interest the public mostly. Other aspirants for the first two main courts are:

Marat Safin vs Sam Querrey
Guillermo Canas vs Robin Söderling
Gael Monfils vs Igor Andreev
Frank Dancevic vs Mario Ancic

So I think Tommy will play on Center Court or Court 1 ;)

BTW: On www.atpmastersseries.tv it says that live streaming will begin on Monday July 21st :) So we'll have TV coverage right from the beginning of the tournament.
http://www.myp2p.eu/competition.php?&competitionid=&part=sports&discipline=tennis&allowedDays=2,3,4,5,6
There will be many livestreams for this event.

16681
07-20-2008, 05:27 AM
Definitely. If I take a look at the 1st round matches of Toronto, Tommy vs. Moya will be the match which will interest the public mostly. Other aspirants for the first two main courts are:

Marat Safin vs Sam Querrey
Guillermo Canas vs Robin Söderling
Gael Monfils vs Igor Andreev
Frank Dancevic vs Mario Ancic

So I think Tommy will play on Center Court or Court 1 ;)

BTW: On www.atpmastersseries.tv it says that live streaming will begin on Monday July 21st :) So we'll have TV coverage right from the beginning of the tournament.
http://www.myp2p.eu/competition.php?&competitionid=&part=sports&discipline=tennis&allowedDays=2,3,4,5,6
There will be many livestreams for this event.
Frank Dancevic is from Canada. And in fact is their #1 ranked male player so I would say there is a good chance they will find a nice place for him to play ;)

TommyB.
07-20-2008, 01:31 PM
First duel since 2002. :eek: Moya has a bad run but he's still dangerous on HC. I'd like to see a match against Davy, would be the the first meeting out of a Grand Slam.

Tommy fan
07-20-2008, 01:57 PM
Someone from GM who was in Toronto said he saw a bit of Tommy practicing. (Good to see him there already, a day after he lost btw :) ) So he/she wrote that Tommy looked relaxed and happy, which is good hear, he moved on :D

Lugburz
07-21-2008, 12:17 AM
Seems like Tommy won't play tomorrow : Gosh,I can' wait any longer :)
http://www.rogerscupmen.com/2/en/draws/OrderOfPlayMonday.pdf

TennisFan2012
07-21-2008, 02:12 AM
Well I like Moya, but if Tommy is all right he should defeat him. Moya is older and, of course, being from Spain more of a clay court player. I just hope Tommy is all right.
Really Tommy has been hurt almost as much in his tennis career by his temperment as he has been by his injuries (with the exception of all those shoulder surgeries). But then without that temperment he wouldn't be Tommy so I guess we have to live with that as his fans ;)

Moya is only a little older than Tommy and has done well on hard courts (e.g., Indian Wells) in the past. He is also currently ranked more highly (#27) than Tommy (in the 40s). So I'm sure that Tommy will not take him lightly. Go Tommy!

Tommy fan
07-21-2008, 08:08 AM
Ohhh but good for me he won't play today since I won't be around..:angel:

TommyB.
07-21-2008, 09:52 AM
Ohhh but good for me he won't play today since I won't be around..:angel:

Looks like a rainy monday in Toronto. So I'm happy too. ;)

el tenista
07-21-2008, 04:02 PM
Well, we should keep the fingers crossed that all matches scheduled today will be finished. Otherwise, there is the danger that Tommy won't play on one of the two main courts ;)
For example Nicolas Kiefer is the only one in the Main Draw who plays on Court No.1 and not on Center or Grandstand. That's a bit stupid for me as a German...
BTW: Do they have floodlight in Toronto?

Lugburz
07-21-2008, 06:01 PM
Seems like there is only on center court live streaming..

el tenista
07-21-2008, 06:02 PM
Definitely not. Go to bet 365.com, there you can choose betwenn the two courts.
On Masters Series TV is live streaming for 2 courts available as well.

Lugburz
07-21-2008, 06:06 PM
Yep,I just have seen it..but again,when Gaquet played ,there wasn't live streaming for wawrinka on grandstand..
but nevermind,hope that Tommy will play one of those...

Tommy fan
07-21-2008, 08:52 PM
If they won't play on one of the main courts so it'll be a stupid decision, it's a very attractive 1st round match imo, and I'm not saying this just because I'm a fan of Tommy.

el tenista
07-21-2008, 09:28 PM
If they won't play on one of the main courts so it'll be a stupid decision, it's a very attractive 1st round match imo, and I'm not saying this just because I'm a fan of Tommy.

Agree ;) I'd be very surprised if they don't play on Center Court!

16681
07-21-2008, 11:17 PM
Didn't this Tournament used to be an indoor Tournament? I remember some years back Andy Roddick getting taken out in the 1st Rd and I'm sure they were playing indoors :confused: Moya ranking is only higher because he has been playing while Tommy hasn't been doing that much playing. And I'm sure Tommy doesn't take anyone he is playing lightly. I had thought Moya was closer to the mid-30's in age, but I could be wrong about that. I have heard some retire talk mentioned about Moya, but how true it is I don't know.

Tommy fan
07-21-2008, 11:41 PM
Didn't this Tournament used to be an indoor Tournament? I remember some years back Andy Roddick getting taken out in the 1st Rd and I'm sure they were playing indoors :confused: Moya ranking is only higher because he has been playing while Tommy hasn't been doing that much playing. And I'm sure Tommy doesn't take anyone he is playing lightly. I had thought Moya was closer to the mid-30's in age, but I could be wrong about that. I have heard some retire talk mentioned about Moya, but how true it is I don't know.

As far as I remmember it has always been outdoor.. Maybe it was a really rainy year so they had to move it to indoor courts..

16681
07-21-2008, 11:55 PM
I have to say I'm sorry to Carlos. He will turn 32 years old on the 27th of August.

oranges
07-22-2008, 12:22 AM
Betfair also has live stream for both center court and grandstand, so those without the Masters TV account can check there too. Haas-Moya should be the first match on center court on Tuesday :yeah:

el tenista
07-22-2008, 12:26 AM
Schedule for tomorrow is out!!

CENTRE COURT (Start: 11:00 a.m. Local Time // 05:00 p.m. CET)
Carlos MOYA vs. Tommy HAAS
Not Before 01:00 p.m.
Andy RODDICK vs. Nicolas MAHUT
Followed By
Igor ANDREEV vs. Gael MONFILS
Not Before 07:30 p.m.
Frank DANCEVIC/Mario ANCIC vs. Novak DJOKOVIC
Followed By
MARAT SAFIN vs. SAM Querrey

Tommy plays the 1st match on Centre Court!! NICE!!!

thefly
07-22-2008, 12:31 AM
Altighty, nice. I guess it's a bit early in the day for Tommy's liking, but on the other hand he loves the big courts, so let's hope that will push him.
And about time we (or a part of us ;)) finally actually "see" him again. Looking forward to it!

el tenista
07-22-2008, 12:38 AM
Yeah, looking forward to watching Tommy live on full screen :worship:
C'MON TOMMY!!!!!!!!!

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 01:27 AM
Yeah baby ! 5PM our good time ! Auf Geht's Tommy ! ! !

Tommy fan
07-22-2008, 07:49 AM
C'mon Tommy!!!!

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 03:59 PM
This is it guys,I'm off now for the match ! Hope I will be in a good mood to be here straight back after ! :D
For the last time...C'mon Tommy!,you can do it !

thefly
07-22-2008, 04:31 PM
Moya plays awfully right now, doesn't look really comfortable. If not for his numerous aces in this last game, we would already be in the second set.

Oh well, I don't complain.

EDIT

Nice and easy. Still Tommy's return game is lacking, he has to be more aggressive. Maybe he just doesn't push himself, since Moya doesn't offer much of a competition right now, but he has to raise it up a notch ...

el tenista
07-22-2008, 04:40 PM
You're right. Tommy lost only 2 points on his serve and no one on his first serve. Only 2 unforced errors...
So no chance for Moya right now.

el tenista
07-22-2008, 04:43 PM
And another break in the opening game of the 2nd set! COME ON!

TennisFan2012
07-22-2008, 04:48 PM
Hi, everyone, Tommy's playing really well. Good to see him bounce back from the last match.

simplysadie
07-22-2008, 04:50 PM
Go Hasi! =D

el tenista
07-22-2008, 04:50 PM
A double break gives Tommy a 6-3 3-0 lead :) I guess work should be mostly done for today!

TennisFan2012
07-22-2008, 05:06 PM
OK, Tommy, just hold now to win!

TennisFan2012
07-22-2008, 05:10 PM
Great - a nice, easy win for Tommy! 54 minutes! Good job against a tough, higher-ranked opponent.

el tenista
07-22-2008, 05:11 PM
Yep, nice win for Tommy :) I didn't expect it to be that easy! Now against Davydenko :devil:

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 05:14 PM
I expected everything,but this easy win definitely not ! Tommy's play was absolutely brilliant ! I am so thrilled right now,and lookin' forward to next one! That's Daydenko,and Tommy can do it too..

thefly
07-22-2008, 05:14 PM
Yeah, but I'm sure Moya had some problems, maybe he's injured or at least not feeling well.

But does it matter. Nöö. ;) So here we have it. 2nd round vs. Davy. You can do it, buddy! Moya's problems aside, Tommy was looking good, good movement, always focused, hardly any UE ... he seems to have shrugged off last week's disappointment, and I hope he's eager to show Davy how rough the weather can get in Canada ...

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 05:22 PM
Yeah, but I'm sure Moya had some problems, maybe he's injured or at least not feeling well.

But does it matter. Nöö. ;) So here we have it. 2nd round vs. Davy. You can do it, buddy! Moya's problems aside, Tommy was looking good, good movement, always focused, hardly any UE ... he seems to have shrugged off last week's disappointment, and I hope he's eager to show Davy how rough the weather can get in Canada ...

That is everything that matters right now ! ;)

Tommy fan
07-22-2008, 05:26 PM
Yay just came home to see the result :D and good to see ;)
Thanks for commenting about it!

So Davydenko next round.. Well, he might not like to play against Davydenko, it's not easy for him, but the point is, that he can, and that's what matters.
Come on Tommy, just play well, and it will be over.. Come on!!!

TennisFan2012
07-22-2008, 05:26 PM
Simon just manhandled Donald Young. I think Simon must like these North American hard courts! He is deceptively fast.

Tommy will need to stay mentally tough against Davydenko. He plays a lot like Simon (but better) - gets a lot of balls back, with pace. The commentators said Davydenko has just taken off 2 weeks, unusual for him. I am not sure whether that means he was vacationing, whether he hasn't practiced or simply that he didn't compete in tournaments. Go Tom!

supertommyhaas
07-22-2008, 05:29 PM
Tommy was very solid and Carlos was awful. i hope that Davydenko is rusty and Tommy can take full advantage! Tommy will need to play a great matck to beat Kolya

thefly
07-22-2008, 05:34 PM
Since winning the title in Warsaw in early june, Davydenko only played the first round in Wimby, and he lost there, in straight sets I think. He hasn't played at all since then, and before that of course only on clay, with his last hard-court match played in Miami.
And he had no first round match in Toronto. So this will be his first HC match in a loooong time, while Tommy seems pretty comfortable again on the court; this HAS to be a little bit in Tommy's favor ...

TommyB.
07-22-2008, 05:37 PM
Yes a pretty good start here. :)

I won't expect too much against Davy but it's winnable if Tommy plays his best. Hopefully on Center Court again.

thefly
07-22-2008, 05:42 PM
I won't expect too much against Davy but it's winnable if Tommy plays his best. Hopefully on Center Court again.

I think that's a lock. :)

Coolschreiber
07-22-2008, 05:52 PM
Congrats Tommy:yeah:

TennisFan2012
07-22-2008, 05:53 PM
Since winning the title in Warsaw in early june, Davydenko only played the first round in Wimby, and he lost there, in straight sets I think. He hasn't played at all since then, and before that of course only on clay, with his last hard-court match played in Miami.
And he had no first round match in Toronto. So this will be his first HC match in a loooong time, while Tommy seems pretty comfortable again on the court; this HAS to be a little bit in Tommy's favor ...

Well, that sounds like a lot more than the 2 weeks the TV commentators noted! Tommy definitely needs to take full advantage of any rust Davydenko has--for example, by serving as well as he did today and keeping the unforced errors to a minimum.

Wyna
07-22-2008, 07:06 PM
Did I just completely missed the match? I was out until now and I didn't even think of Tommy playing...I am a bad fan :lol:
Anyway, I am happy about the win and from what I have read here he was playing good?!
I am looking forward for the Davydenko match (won't forget that, I promise :angel:) and I hope that he can play well.

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 07:09 PM
His serve seems improved a lot,and that is almost everything that he needs against Davydenko...Maybe I am too optimistic,but really I think and hope so that Tommy can surprise us ! ;) But again as the fly already mentioned:
'I'm just happy to see that guy play'-perfect ! :)

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 07:11 PM
Did I just completely missed the match? I was out until now and I didn't even think of Tommy playing...I am a bad fan :lol:
Anyway, I am happy about the win and from what I have read here he was playing good?!
I am looking forward for the Davydenko match (won't forget that, I promise :angel:) and I hope that he can play well.

You missed perfect match definitely :D but again against Davydenko will be crucial,so don't you dare not watching it ! :D

Wyna
07-22-2008, 07:25 PM
You missed perfect match definitely :D but again against Davydenko will be crucial,so don't you dare not watching it ! :D

ok, ok. I will watch it. :)

TennisFan2012
07-22-2008, 08:06 PM
Wyna, I like that photo of Tommy you have under your name. And the color of the shirt is very flattering.

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 08:09 PM
Wyna, I like that photo of Tommy you have under your name. And the color of the shirt is very flattering.

As long as it isn't sleeveless :D

el tenista
07-22-2008, 08:16 PM
Headline on ATPtennis.com:

"Haas Impresses in First Round" :cool::cool::cool:

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 08:20 PM
Yeah baby I saw it ! And there is more to come ;)

Wyna
07-22-2008, 08:22 PM
Wyna, I like that photo of Tommy you have under your name. And the color of the shirt is very flattering.

Yeah, I really love it. He looks really great.

As long as it isn't sleeveless :D

I really don't see the problem with the sleeveless shirts :shrug:

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 08:35 PM
I really don't see the problem with the sleeveless shirts

Well.I kinda don't like it..And Tommy is way better lookin' in T-Shirt...Also don't like players who wears it(Sorry for Nadal but...:) )
And not just because of that,I personally think that typical and classic tennis players(or fans) don't like it too...

16681
07-22-2008, 08:52 PM
Yeah, I really love it. He looks really great.



I really don't see the problem with the sleeveless shirts :shrug:
Tommy :yeah: I don't see the problem with sleeveless shirts either. And I would rather the player didn't have on sleeves, if they are going to be pulling them up all Match. Like Tommy did in his last Match at Indy :rolleyes:
However, today Tommy looked comfortable on court even with the sleeves ;)

Lugburz
07-22-2008, 09:01 PM
Alright,alright...De gustibus non est disputandum :D But you know that isn't kinda his style,and I think that he figured that out too :p
P.S.Gosh this posts should go somewhere else :lol:

thefly
07-22-2008, 09:36 PM
Second round action should come to a close tomorrow, right? So we'll see Tommy again tomorrow? Just can't wait! I want MORE!! ;)

el tenista
07-22-2008, 09:39 PM
Second round action should come to a close tomorrow, right? So we'll see Tommy again tomorrow? Just can't wait! I want MORE!! ;)

Yes, Tommy will definitely play tomorrow as the tournament schedule says:

http://www.rogerscupmen.com/4/en/tournament/tournamentschedule.asp

16681
07-22-2008, 10:38 PM
I just wish he wasn't playing Davy :ras: I don't think we need to start a new thread for sleeveless or non-sleeveless :lol: It's all right to add other comments between Matches :)

thefly
07-22-2008, 11:44 PM
I hope Tommy's matches turn up on the net; I like these high quality rips in 16:9 ... ;)

TennisFan2012
07-23-2008, 03:49 AM
The TV commentators said it would be the first match on tomorrow. The Rogers Cup site says they will be on the grandstand court at 11:00:

http://www2.rogerscup.com/men/english/orderOfPlay.php

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 06:54 AM
The TV commentators said it would be the first match on tomorrow. The Rogers Cup site says they will be on the grandstand court at 11:00:

http://www2.rogerscup.com/men/english/orderOfPlay.php

Thanks :)

Crap, ESPN here doesn't show in that time.. Any ivestream?

el tenista
07-23-2008, 07:27 AM
Thanks :)

Crap, ESPN here doesn't show in that time.. Any ivestream?

Of course, for example www.bet365.com !

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 07:54 AM
Of course, for example www.bet365.com !

Great thanks! :)

thefly
07-23-2008, 09:32 AM
Interesting ... Ferrer-Ginepri and Murray-Johansson on centre, but Tommy vs. Davy (freakin' world no. 4) on grandstand? Boy, has there ever been a less popular top 5 player than Davydenko?
Well, at least it's a reasonable time again for us Europeans, and I don't have to scratch my plans for tonight. ;)

Wyna
07-23-2008, 09:43 AM
Interesting ... Ferrer-Ginepri and Murray-Johansson on centre, but Tommy vs. Davy (freakin' world no. 4) on grandstand? Boy, has there ever been a less popular top 5 player than Davydenko?
Well, at least it's a reasonable time again for us Europeans, and I don't have to scratch my plans for tonight. ;)

Not as far as I remember...

TommyB.
07-23-2008, 09:55 AM
I'm a bit surprised too. But great time for me.

I hope Tommy has no problem with moving from centre to grandstand. ;)

el tenista
07-23-2008, 12:08 PM
It's okay that they play on Grandstand...There are a lot of good matches which won't be on the main courts. For example Kiefer vs. Youzhny on Court 3 :eek:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 02:45 PM
This match should be live on TV,but nevermind there is always good live streaming's...
Davydenko will try to adjust his style of play by hitting the balls from baseline,so I don't think that Tommy will take his game.Tommy is well attacking player witch I am glad and hope that he can attack him adjusting his game...
I have good feelings about this game...;)

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 03:03 PM
One hour to go :D

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 03:29 PM
Only 30mins to go :D

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 03:48 PM
15 :angel:

Come on Tommy!!!!!!

el tenista
07-23-2008, 03:51 PM
9 :)

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 03:56 PM
5 :lol: :boucne:
(What a way to postwhore :lol:)

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 03:57 PM
:D :D.....Come on,let it be on TV ,let it be...!

Wyna
07-23-2008, 04:00 PM
You are crazy :lol:

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:02 PM
Come on Tommy, be confident, know your strength! I mean, from Davydenko's perspective, this draw is pretty bad, think about it, playing your first hardcourt event in a while, and then having to play Tommy Haas in your first round?! That's pretty much as tough as it can get for a seeded player at a Masters Series tourny.

Sometimes, Tommy just has to believe in his incredible abilities a little more. C'mon, do it!

EDIT

Oh, looks rainy ...

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:03 PM
Well all courts are too wet...

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 04:05 PM
urrrgggg :mad:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:06 PM
but it isn't raining now,they are cleaning the courts,so the game should begin soon !

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:10 PM
Well, not really Tommy's favourite conditions ... a lot of reasons for him today to get annoyed. Can't wait to see what happens. ;)

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 04:10 PM
Is anyone else watching in bet365? They're showing people walking, and they're without umbreallas

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:11 PM
Does anyone else watching in bet365? They're showing people walking, and they're without umbreallas

Yep...should begin shortly...

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 04:12 PM
a lot of reasons for him today to get annoyed. Can't wait to see what happens. ;)

Oh god :scared: Well, we already had cursing and speeches.. What will it be today?? :angel:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:13 PM
Well, not really Tommy's favourite conditions ... a lot of reasons for him today to get annoyed. Can't wait to see what happens. ;)

That won't be good,but my fingers are crossed and I am optimistic :D
Maybe after that sun and hot weather he will be pleased with a little change of temperature..;)

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:15 PM
Umbrellas start popping up ...

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:16 PM
no that's just fancy ones :D

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:18 PM
lol

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:25 PM
Ah God Damn Wimbledon had better conditions ! :D Ah you Americans,can't control weather,shame...

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 04:27 PM
Ah God Damn Wimbledon had better conditions ! :D Ah you Americans,can't control weather,shame...

:lol:

happy928
07-23-2008, 04:28 PM
GSM Rain.

el tenista
07-23-2008, 04:32 PM
Good that Tommy plays the first match, I don't want to imagine the same situation at 2 a.m. CET in the night :lol: Because then I'd be getinng angry^^

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:33 PM
Ah, damn you, anticipation! :p I can't just switch back to learning right now. ;)

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 04:34 PM
Good that Tommy plays the first match, I don't want to imagine the same situation at 2 a.m. CET in the night :lol: Because then I'd be getinng angry^^

All of us :lol: Atleast it's a normal hour now :lol:

Rain :banghead:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:34 PM
Good that Tommy plays the first match, I don't want to imagine the same situation at 2 a.m. CET in the night :lol: Because then I'd be getinng angry^^

Good point m8 :lol:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:35 PM
At least no umbrellas as I can see..........

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:38 PM
The centre court is still completely empty; but they seem to be drying the surface right now ...

el tenista
07-23-2008, 04:38 PM
Yeha, it would be nice if they show the courts sometimes :rolleyes:

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:39 PM
Click on the Ferrer match. ;)

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 04:39 PM
Totally :rolleyes:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:40 PM
Wow those clouds are promising ;)

TennisFan2012
07-23-2008, 04:46 PM
Watch out, Lugburz8, even though they are North Americans, a lot of Canadians do not like being lumped in with us lowlifes! :-)

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:46 PM
Ah! I think there's now a third spectator on the centre compared to the two poeple in the "audience" 10 minutes ago. A good sign. :p

EDIT

hey, no kidding, the centre court IS filling up.

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:48 PM
Watch out, Lugburz8, even though they are North Americans, a lot of Canadians do not like being lumped in with us lowlifes! :-)

:rolls:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 04:49 PM
Ah! I think there's now a third spectator on the centre compared to the two poeple in the "audience" 10 minutes ago. A good sign. :p

EDIT

hey, no kidding, the centre court IS filling up.

:lol: ...Cosmic then ! :devil:

thefly
07-23-2008, 04:55 PM
Good thing The Simpsons are about the start here. ;)

el tenista
07-23-2008, 05:00 PM
The courts are nearly dry...

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:00 PM
The courts are nearly dry...

Well,Auf Geht's then :D

thefly
07-23-2008, 05:03 PM
Ah, there's the grandstand. First time I see it. Actually, not so grand, that stand. And suddenly it's dark as night there; hope that's the camera.

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:05 PM
now is OK...

edit I have 666 credits :devil: :devil:

TennisFan2012
07-23-2008, 05:05 PM
Oh no, our TV coverage will be of a match other than Tommy's - Ginepri vs. Ferrer. waaaaah!

thefly
07-23-2008, 05:09 PM
Oh no, our TV coverage will be of a match other than Tommy's - Ginepri vs. Ferrer. waaaaah!

Not so big a surprise, is it?

Ginepri and Ferrer are on court now, but the Grandstand is still wet. That guy with the dryer isn't doing his job very well ... to the left, dude, to the left!

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:11 PM
Not so big a surprise, is it?

Ginepri and Ferrer are on court now, but the Grandstand is still wet. That guy with the dryer isn't doing his job very well ... to the left, dude, to the left!

:lol::lol: :rolls:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:16 PM
It seems it will begin very very soon and shortly,still not soo bad job by dryers...:D

TennisFan2012
07-23-2008, 05:21 PM
Ah God Damn Wimbledon had better conditions ! :D Ah you Americans,can't control weather,shame...

:lol:

Not so big a surprise, is it?



I never give up hope. And yesterday the TV people said D vs. TH would be a featured match. They may be taping it for later viewing.

Go Tom!

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:22 PM
no,not again......

TennisFan2012
07-23-2008, 05:24 PM
Rain is stopping play on center ct.

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:27 PM
the umpire told them,they will try to continue...

thefly
07-23-2008, 05:35 PM
Ok, looks like that will take a while. See you guys later ...

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:36 PM
yeah,it seems... later

el tenista
07-23-2008, 05:39 PM
Well, I'm sorry to tell you that I appreciate that rain very much because my best friend has to work until about 8 p.m. CET and he's a big Tommy fan as well ;) So good for him :)

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:45 PM
I am happy for him,I know how it would be if I am at his place ;)

thefly
07-23-2008, 05:48 PM
Oh jeez, it's raining cats and dogs now! Glad I didn't make plans after all ... see you tonight. ;)

el tenista
07-23-2008, 05:50 PM
I am happy for him,I know how it would be if I am at his place ;)

Thanks :)
Uhh, it started raining very heavily...I guess another hour will be gone before they can start playing!

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:50 PM
yep,now the grandstand looks like a swimming pool :(

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:53 PM
I have seen it on net,Wednesday morning and evening belongs to rain,but at overnight should be fine....

EDIT: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0696

el tenista
07-23-2008, 05:55 PM
yep,now the grandstand looks like a swimming pool :(

Maybe they should swim instead of playing tennis because there I expect Tommy to be clearly better :lol:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 05:58 PM
way too better :D Nice one !

el tenista
07-23-2008, 06:03 PM
Looks good :rolleyes:

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/39/regentorontozd3.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regentorontozd3.jpg)

(click on it to have a bigger image)

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 06:05 PM
Yep,for a swimming pool that's awesome !

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 06:11 PM
BTW,what live streaming was that,surely not from bet365..

thefly
07-23-2008, 06:24 PM
*sigh* that's not good.

BTW,what live streaming was that,surely not from bet365..

I guess that's from the Masters Series TV paystream.

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 06:26 PM
*sigh* that's not good.



I guess that's from the Masters Series TV paystream.,

OK,you guys probably knows better,so what is the best quality that I can get from internet for live streaming,I mean which live streaming is the best? But those without payment..

el tenista
07-23-2008, 06:26 PM
I guess that's from the Masters Series TV paystream.

You're right. I bought it together with two friends at the beginning of the year so there isn't so much to pay for us ;)

el tenista
07-23-2008, 06:29 PM
,

OK,you guys probably knows better,so what is the best quality that I can get from internet for live streaming,I mean which live streaming is the best? But those without payment..

Well I think bet365.com must be the best...

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 06:30 PM
yeah the quality is awesome,just if the screen could be a little bit bigger..but nothing is perfect..

thefly
07-23-2008, 06:46 PM
Yeah, I think for a free stream the bet365 ones are really as good as it gets. Good colors, good speed, and the ball is good to see. And the screen is also way larger than these at bwin for instance. Big enough for my taste. But if you need it bigger, remember the Magical Glass ... ;)

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 06:49 PM
I have it now,but again it isn't so good ,I mean I can't zoom it properly,Quality is lost then and I can't zoom all...

Wyna
07-23-2008, 06:49 PM
Magical glass? What did I miss?

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 06:51 PM
Magical glass? What did I miss?

As I said it ain't that good,or I don't know how to use it :)

thefly
07-23-2008, 06:55 PM
I have it now,but again it isn't so good ,I mean I can't zoom it properly,Quality is lost then and I can't zoom all...

Well, sure the quality doesn't get better by enlarging the window; but when you go to the "settings" and set the "magnifier size" to your screen resolution (for example 1024x768) and set the zoom to 1.5 or 2.0, you can watch it pretty much full screen, and sit back in your armchair or whereever ... ;)

thefly
07-23-2008, 07:00 PM
Magical glass? What did I miss?

Check this post (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=7364866&highlight=magical#post7364866). Try it out, I'm curious what you think. ;)

But if your screen resolution isn't very high, I don't think it's necessary, since the window is well sized to begin with. If your resolution is higher than 1024x768 or something like that, though, it may be worth a try.

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 07:04 PM
Well, sure the quality doesn't get better by enlarging the window; but when you go to the "settings" and set the "magnifier size" to your screen resolution (for example 1024x768) and set the zoom to 1.5 or 2.0, you can watch it pretty much full screen, and sit back in your armchair or whereever ... ;)

Yeah thanks :yeah: I didn't figured that out,now is OK,still not perfect but is better...

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 07:37 PM
ESPN has just shown the courts... Rain rain rain :(

thefly
07-23-2008, 08:49 PM
The dryers are back, and it looks a little brighter right now. Yet, the centre court footage shows another pretty dark cloud front in what I think is about north; and the wind is coming from north-west ...

EDIT

Great, a little army works on the centre, and some dudes obviously on a holiday job or something dry the grandstand. Terrific.

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 09:06 PM
Yeah! The same good old dryers :D

EDIT: I can see the sun there ;)

16681
07-23-2008, 09:15 PM
:rain: :sad: The whole schedule has now been thrown off :mad:

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 09:18 PM
So no play today? :(

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 09:23 PM
:rain: :sad: The whole schedule has now been thrown off :mad:

Well,I don't think so,as we now can see that the Grandstand is filling up...And these dryers seems that they are preparing the court for today..

EDIT: Plus we can see that center court is almost cleaned up...

thefly
07-23-2008, 09:26 PM
Yeah, but Mae means that they at least can't get through with the whole scedule today, resulting in a very crowded one tomorrow or even the next days ...

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 09:28 PM
Well,of course that whole schedule for today won't be played,but again,we should see some tennis after all..

16681
07-23-2008, 09:28 PM
Well,I don't think so,as we now can see that the Grandstand is filling up...And these dryers seems that they are preparing the court for today..

EDIT: Plus we can see that center court is almost cleaned up...
Well on TV all they are showing is a Match that was played in the past. So I can't see what is going on in real time. But anyway they have missed so much time now the schedule will still be off :sad:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 09:32 PM
Wow,Grandstand is almost filled up...We should see Tommy today after all ! ;)

16681
07-23-2008, 09:40 PM
Wow,Grandstand is almost filled up...We should see Tommy today after all ! ;)
It would be nice if Tommy could get his Match in today :) I just wish he weren't playing Davy :sad:

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 09:44 PM
Pff I hope we'll know pretty soon :awww:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 09:44 PM
It would be nice,yes,well I right now don't care if it has to be Roger since I waited for 6hours to watch him! :lol:

thefly
07-23-2008, 09:45 PM
Wtf ... Levine and Nadal are now on centre court. They really canceled Ferrer-Ginepri. God, I hope they didn't cancel Tommy's match. But why would they ...

thefly
07-23-2008, 09:46 PM
Noooo!

EDIT

Ferrer and Ginepri on grandstand. I don't frickin' believe it. Now this is just disrespectful to Tommy and Davydenko. Having to wait half a day, and then that!

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 09:48 PM
They did???

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 09:49 PM
They moved Ferrer to Grandstand....

So after Ferrer maybe Tommy should play :(

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 09:51 PM
:speakles:
So where is Tommy then? :(
And I guess we'll have no streaming :o
Btw, in GM they say it's very very windy there..

thefly
07-23-2008, 09:54 PM
The only reasonable thing to do now is have Tommy play next, and cancel the Safin/Querrey-Wawrinka 2nd round tonight ... since Marat hasn't even finished his first round match.

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 09:55 PM
Tommy is 2nd match in court 3 according to the new schedule.
No streaming :sad:

thefly
07-23-2008, 09:59 PM
Oh come on. Where did you see that?

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 10:00 PM
God Damn this ain't happening ! :(

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 10:00 PM
There's a new order of play (second revised) as well. It's not up on the tourney site, so here it is:

***Centre Court***

Levine vs. Nadal (4:30)
Federer vs. Simon
Safin or Querry vs. Wawrinka

***Grandstand***

Ferrer vs. Ginepri (to be finished - 4:30)
Acasuso vs. Gonzalez
Murray vs. Johansson
Andreev & Davydenko vs. Nadal & Robredo

***Court 1***

Robredo vs. Cilic (4:30)
Kudryavtsev vs. Gasquet
Bjorkman vs. Blake
Fish & Roddick vs. Bhupahti & Knowles

***Court 2***

Verdasco vs. Soderling (4:30)
Kiefer vs. Youzhny

***Court 3***

Berdych vs. Andreev (4:30)
Davydenko vs. Haas

***Court 5***

Safin vs. Querrey (to be finished - 4:30)
Lopez vs. Tursunov

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 10:00 PM
My head is killing me so I'm going to bed, if I'll wake up for Fed's match, I'll come to follow Tommy's too.
But meanwhile, Good luck Tommy, Come on... Believe!!!!

el tenista
07-23-2008, 10:03 PM
THIS CANNOT BE FUCKING TRUE!!!!!!!!

Oh damn!

16681
07-23-2008, 10:05 PM
Why on earth are they showing Rafa and J. Levine on TV :eek: I mean I love Rafa, but Levine :rolleyes: And moving Tommy and Davy to Court 3 :ras: That is really insulting to both of them IMO and I don't even like Davy now :fiery:

thefly
07-23-2008, 10:06 PM
Aw crap, Tommy's moment to shine and we won't see it. Oh well. If I were Tommy, I would be so pissed right now, I wouldn't even come out to the court. ;)

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 10:07 PM
I am really pissed off right now ! I mean,I don't care if I am going to watch Tommy at 5am just as long as I can watch it !

Tommy fan
07-23-2008, 10:09 PM
Aw crap, Tommy's moment to shine and we won't see it. Oh well. If I were Tommy, I would be so pissed right now, I wouldn't even come out to the court. ;)

Don't give him ideas :scared: :p

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 10:11 PM
Don't give him ideas :scared: :p

But he is so fuckin' right ! I will now have too watch fuckin' Nadal instead off Tommy ! :(

And so glad that he is losing at the moment !

16681
07-23-2008, 10:11 PM
THIS CANNOT BE FUCKING TRUE!!!!!!!!

Oh damn!
No point will be deducted for the use of the F word here.
It is highly appropriate in this case :armed:

thefly
07-23-2008, 10:15 PM
I just wrote an angry email to one of the contacts on the Rogers Cup site. Come on, let's spam them. :p

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 10:16 PM
You bet ! that I will do the same ! Shame on them ! We shall start revolution here !

16681
07-23-2008, 10:18 PM
May be the tennis gods knew something we didn't. Levine is leading Rafa 4-1 in the 1st Set :rolleyes:

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 10:21 PM
May be the tennis gods knew something we didn't. Levine is leading Rafa 4-1 in the 1st Set :rolleyes:

Awesome !

Lugburz
07-23-2008, 10:31 PM
Berdych vs Andreev match has started...

EDIT:Andereev d. Berdych 6-4 3-6 6-4

Next one Tommy Haas vs Nikolay Daydenko !

Lugburz
07-24-2008, 12:29 AM
Hm,if this is any consolation,there is problem with live streaming on bet365,so we weren't lucky whole day...Maybe Tommy should cheers us up !
Btw,the match will begin shortly with Tommy to serve first...