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Clay Death
06-19-2008, 02:50 PM
Please be advised that Raging Lamb is taking his moderation duties too far. he continues to interfere with perfectly open and legitimate discussions on tennis. he is obsessive about editing posts and he also plays favorites here openly so as to try flaunt his little position.

there have been endless threads started here that are completely useless like the one about the Fed`s weight and the like and yet he took it upon himself to end several of my threads that were generating plenty of discussion here.

my thread about comparing and contrasting Nadal and Djokovic was ended for no reason when hundereds of posters were discussing their different styles of play.

and now my thread about the "doomsday stroking machine" which clearly talks about Nadal having taken his game to the next level was deleted for no reason at all.

worse, he has issued me an infraction for starting that thread. that thread was perfectly legitimate. the method of my making the point of his being on a tear for the last 3 months was creative but clean and intelligent. and posters were willing to discuss Nadal`s rising game.

this is a man who is ate up with hate. worse, he is taking his little duty of moderating too far. he is going out of his way to edit endless posts as well as delete perfectly legitimate threads that seem to generate fair amount of discussion. in short, he cant help butting in and it is constant and excessive.

this is not a professional and fair representation of MTF. this is going too far. this is about somebody who is now simply abusing his litle moderation duty. this will have a very adverse effect on this forum. number of intelligent posters no longer feel like posting here.

I will next make the calls to the owners of this forum to stop this abuse.

scoobs
06-19-2008, 02:53 PM
This certainly isn't going to achieve anything.

Burrow
06-19-2008, 02:54 PM
RagingLamb is a hypocrite. Talks nonsense.

rocketassist
06-19-2008, 02:54 PM
Agreed.

Time to wield the moderation axe.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 02:56 PM
Totally diferent people agreed? That means something.

Hypocrite at it's best.

If I'm allowed to make a wish it would be Eden.

Branimir
06-19-2008, 02:57 PM
I got two warnings/infractions for insulting other members from Raging Lamb, I complained, but he was kind of right. Things are going to far in GM lately, so someone needs to do something to stop this. Raging Lamb is only one trying to do something. If more moderators were involved doing something here, this forum would not contain so many stupid and unnecessary threads full of hate, and disturbing posts, rather than constructive discussion. Whenever someone tries to say something constructive, there are always at least two smart asses to call that person: an idiot, stupid, retard, full of shite, clown, deluded etc... Without providing any sort of argument.

Raging Lamb, you have my support!

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 02:57 PM
RagingLamb is a hypocrite. Talks nonsense.


he is worse than a hypocrite. he has abused his moderating duties.

there are no other moderators who are constantly editing posts and deleting threads for no reason at all.

i have had posters ask me about why legitimate threads are deleted for no reason at all.

this abuse is not serving the best interests of MTF. his behavior is out of bounds and simply inconsistent with MTF objectives. I dont know how many posters he has run off.

scoobs
06-19-2008, 02:58 PM
There's a feedback and support section of the site to raise concerns, you could PM the mod or other mods directly to discuss concerns also.

This is not going achieve anything except allow some people to attack a mod for a bit before it gets deleted.

arm
06-19-2008, 03:01 PM
I have no idea why but I thought he was a she. :lol::shrug:

Meaning: Shut up Raquel you have nothing to complain about and I haven't noticed anything to be honest.

PS: For those who don't know, I am Raquel :lol:

Bernard Black
06-19-2008, 03:01 PM
Look at it this way: less is more.

Nadal is on the rise...he's been on the rise for the past 3-4 years, this isn't news to anyone? By the sounds of it, it was a bandwagon thread at best and come on, Clay Death, I haven't seen you post in a thread yet that's not ended up being in debates about Nadal and Djokovic. Perhaps you were dealt with a bit harshly here, but I can see how a casual viewer of these forums might be put off by the constant talk about the same players.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 03:02 PM
Agreed.

Time to wield the moderation axe.

he is doing a much bigger harm to MTF. he is hell bent on ruining the great reputation MTF has enjoyed.

why? because this moderting duties have gone to his head. he is now handing out infractions for people starting legitimate threads that are generating honest discussions.

i am very disappointed. I hope he is reprimanded at once for interfering with honest and legitimate discussions.

Burrow
06-19-2008, 03:02 PM
Look at it this way: less is more.

Nadal is on the rise...he's been on the rise for the past 3-4 years, this isn't news to anyone? By the sounds of it, it was a bandwagon thread at best and come on, Clay Death, I haven't seen you post in a thread yet that's not ended up being in debates about Nadal and Djokovic. Perhaps you were dealt with a bit harshly here, but I can see how a casual viewer of these forums might be put off by the constant talk about the same players.

Yes, great reason for it to be deleted, not.

ryan23
06-19-2008, 03:04 PM
Raging Lamb got anything to say on the matter? only fair we hear both sides of the story!

Bernard Black
06-19-2008, 03:04 PM
Yes, great reason for it to be deleted, not.

If that's how you prefer this forum to be, then fair enough.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 03:04 PM
He gives me an infraction for calling somebody a moron, for stating something moronic, yet their is a emoticon on this forum symbolizing the word "retard".


that is what i mean. he is editing 100 posts a week and handing out infractions like he owns this forum.

he is doing a great harm to the forum and he running off posters.

ryan23
06-19-2008, 03:04 PM
Also shouldnt this be in non tennis part of forum instead of GM? its not tennis related

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 03:04 PM
We want CD to rule this site :rocker2:

Pray for death people :devil:

Federer=God
06-19-2008, 03:06 PM
Deleting that thread was perhaps "overstepping the mark" but I don't think this thread is going to achieve anything more productive than a few rants.

I have heard of forums where you get infracted for using "u" instead of you. Its human nature unfortunately, you give someone power, they use it.

Ales_Alessandra
06-19-2008, 03:11 PM
He gives me an infraction for calling somebody a moron, for stating something moronic, yet their is a emoticon on this forum symbolizing the word "retard".

:scratch: Interesting, cause what happen when you get thousands of infractions? Nothing? :shrug: Otherwise, how come some posters who are experts on this matter, always being so kind torwards other posters, are still around? :angel:

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 03:13 PM
Deleting that thread was perhaps "overstepping the mark" but I don't think this thread is going to achieve anything more productive than a few rants.

I have heard of forums where you get infracted for using "u" instead of you. Its human nature unfortunately, you give someone power, they use it.


its the abuse of this little moderating duties that concerns me. the greatest damage is to the forum. some intelligent posters have asked me why this abuse is happening and why does it continue to happen.

i dont go after people and i dont attack other posters. i dont send people PMs or anything. all my stuff is tennis related and perfectly legitimate.

the thread about "Nadal vs Djokovic" and who really is better and why was a perfectly normal and legitimate thread. there was no reason to delete the whole thread. no reason at all. it was generating plenty of discussion.

now he is really abusing his duties by editing as many as 100 posts a week that people have posted. this is gross interferance and abuse of his moderating duties. he is not promoting discussions but ending them as soon as he can.

DhammaTiger
06-19-2008, 03:14 PM
It's about time moderators were pro-active. many people are fed up with the state of the posting, the level of abuse and trolling that goes on this board. I applaud Raging Lamb for trying to bring a semblence of sanity on this board. Many people will save themselves a lot of grief if they stick to the guidelines on posting in GM.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 03:16 PM
Deleting that thread was perhaps "overstepping the mark" but I don't think this thread is going to achieve anything more productive than a few rants.

I have heard of forums where you get infracted for using "u" instead of you. Its human nature unfortunately, you give someone power, they use it.

agreed. its total abuse. i am surprised there is not an outrage over this abuse.

there is no other--not a single moderator--who is getting into everybody`s business with this much regularity and obsession.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 03:19 PM
Lets get str8 here - moderator has a certain job. Members make GM in mine field, war zone...Raginlamb can't (I prefer won't) to do his/hers *volontary*? job properly.
Some member was banned coz he dare to put one picture/photo in 'funny pics' - most of you remembered pic with 4 female bottoms (porn he/she said!!!), but he/she never see worse things.

No doubles, triples standards around GM.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 03:22 PM
I applaud Raging Lamb for trying to bring a semblence of sanity on this board.

Trying isn't enough. I'd like you to try.

BIGMARAT
06-19-2008, 03:24 PM
Granted Raging Lamb committed a little abuse of his power as a moderator and maybe lost his judgement a little bit. But what about you clay death? don't you clean up ur mess first before cleaning up this board? Don't you think you are abusing your power as a poster trying to dominate opinions?

Just my two cent!

Henry Chinaski
06-19-2008, 03:33 PM
if I was a mod the first thing I'd do is ban Clay Death.

Fumus
06-19-2008, 03:33 PM
At best this thread should be in the error/reporting section of MTF. That's if you think it has any place on the forum at all, along with posters like CD.

Clay Death you don't help your case at all by putting it here. You just make yourself seem more like a troll. Stop filling MTF with garbage Clay Death and I think the moderators will stop treating like garbage. MTF isn't fun anymore, and I think it's people like you that ruined it dude. I don't see how you aren't banned, you purposely make threads to flame players/posters and you wonder why you get in trouble. STFU.

MacTheKnife
06-19-2008, 03:36 PM
I'm pretty new to this forum and didn't know the mods edited posts. He11, that explains some things. I've looked back and some of my posts and thought, That's not what I said. Have been on plenty of forums, and dealt with deletions and closing of threads, but never saw posts edited..
Now you get to wonder, did I really write the above or not..

Vida
06-19-2008, 03:37 PM
I don't get why would Djoko - Nadal comparison thread be deleted. Its an interesting topic (in which I sadly didn't take part in).

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 03:40 PM
Granted Raging Lamb committed a little abuse of his power as a moderator and maybe lost his judgement a little bit. But what about you clay death? don't you clean up ur mess first before cleaning up this board? Don't you think you are abusing your power as a poster trying to dominate opinions?

Just my two cent!

its not just a little abuse of power. he is flat going overboard with it.

all i do is try to generate discussions and share my passion for the sport with others. i have no agenda to go after my fellow posters. i am all about tennis and people know that. i also let others have their fair say. quite often, i am respectful and even suggest to the posters that their opinion must be respected.

raging lamb has personal agenda and his agenda is hurting MTF. he is clearly abusing his position that he should have never been given in the first place.

its not enough that for him to end perfectly legitimate threads but now he is handing out infractions for starting them. he is also, as i suggested earlier, in everybody`s business. he keeps editing their posts. you dont see other moderators doing that.

i will have to file a complaint with the owners of this forum.

tennizen
06-19-2008, 03:41 PM
old friend ClayD........, I think you did a great job making this thread. Unfortunately, it will be deleted or moved to suggestions forum. Still a brave attempt:yeah;

MacTheKnife
06-19-2008, 03:45 PM
its not just a little abuse of power. he is flat going overboard with it.

all i do is try to generate discussions and share my passion for the sport with others. i have no agenda to go after my fellow posters. i am all about tennis and people know that. i also let others have their fair say. quite often, i am respectful and even suggest to the posters that their opinion must be respected.

raging lamb has personal agenda and his agenda is hurting MTF. he is clearly abusing his position that he should have never been given in the first place.

its not enough that for him to end perfectly legitimate threads but now he is handing out infractions for starting them. he is also, as i suggested earlier, in everybody`s business. he keeps editing their posts. you dont see other moderators doing that.

i will have to file a complaint with the owners of this forum.

I've only been here short time Clay Death but I agree with you. Any of your replies to my posts have been respectful and insightful discussion. I too try to respect fellow posters as well as their opinions. There always should be debate and discussion on these topics because no one knows it all. At least I haven't met that person yet..

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 03:46 PM
old friend ClayD........, I think you did a great job making this thread. Unfortunately, it will be deleted or moved to suggestions forum. Still a brave attempt:yeah;


i thought it was relatively creative. it was about a player who may just have the most brutal ground strokes on the planet as we saw at Roland Garros and then again at Queens. it was not about any personal attacks or hate of some kind or another.

he has clearly taken his game to the next level and this was a good way to discuss it and see how other posters feel about his new game.

this abuse is endless. he also ended "nadal vs djokovic" thread. some posters have sent me personal messages and asking me about this ridiculous abuse of power on the part of this moderator.

finishingmove
06-19-2008, 03:49 PM
Clay Death is obsessed with tennis and starts threads about his favourite players , in which he offers his views , unlike some people like Fedex who starts Djokovic bashing threads (more than once per day) with no arguments , sometimes contradicting himself in the first post , and with the sole purpose of trolling.

There's a big difference .

Vida
06-19-2008, 03:53 PM
Clay Death is obsessed with tennis and starts threads about his favourite players , in which he offers his views , unlike some people like Fedex who starts Djokovic bashing threads (more than once per day) with no arguments , sometimes contradicting himself in the first post , and with the sole purpose of trolling.

There's a big difference .

That guy is exposed to the bone, he shouldn't be mentioned in the same post with CD.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 03:59 PM
Clay Death is obsessed with tennis and starts threads about his favourite players , in which he offers his views , unlike some people like Fedex who starts Djokovic bashing threads (more than once per day) with no arguments , sometimes contradicting himself in the first post , and with the sole purpose of trolling.

There's a big difference .

thanks finishingmove. i also try to give the players a fair shake. i am far from a Djokovic fan but i am willing to recognize his great game and his huge upside since he is barely 21.

i have come to enjoy interacting with most of the posters here. i think most of the folks here are pretty cool. some have an agenda which i dont think is very cool.

this moderator clearly has a personal agenda. owners may need to take a close look at him. he is running out his way to edit other poster`s posts at an alarming regularity. this is just plain abuse and it is hurting MTF. some smart posters have left and some others dont care to post much because of this abuse. sooner or later i too will move on.

Bernard Black
06-19-2008, 04:06 PM
And this ends up the same as every other Clay Death thread. Loads of responses, and Clay Death repeating his same points again and again. ;)

Black Adam
06-19-2008, 04:11 PM
Clay Death speaks the truth. It seems to be a cycle where one mod abuses his power for a period. Lee did at one point in Non Tennis whilst pretending she was a very just moderator of discussion :rolleyes:

Is Raging Lamb a Djokovic fan? I mean Neely and Bad Gambler support Kiefer and Federer and yet when there is some form of hate or distaste directed towards their faves they don't go overboard handing out punishments.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 04:16 PM
1 - Wrong forum.
2 - CD should have been banned already.
3 - RagingLamb isn't a bad mod. Never had problems with him
4 - I believe he is a Nadal fan.

Iván
06-19-2008, 04:19 PM
http://codybateman.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/lion-and-the-lamb.jpg

Lambs for Lions

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 04:20 PM
Clay Death speaks the truth. It seems to be a cycle where one mod abuses his power for a period. Lee did at one point in Non Tennis whilst pretending she was a very just moderator of discussion :rolleyes:

Is Raging Lamb a Djokovic fan? I mean Neely and Bad Gambler support Kiefer and Federer and yet when there is some form of hate or distaste directed towards their faves they don't go overboard handing out punishments.

thanks Black Adam. honesty is the best policy for me. i try to be fair and truthful always.

i am an unfair victim of this moderator`s abuse of his little authority they gave him probably because he begged for it for months. he is clearly getting off on handing out infractions for no reason at all and he is damaging the great reputation that MTF has enjoyed for a long time.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 04:20 PM
and now my thread about the "doomsday stroking machine" which clearly talks about Nadal having taken his game to the next level was deleted for no reason at all.


A thread about how Nadal has taken his game to the next level should be posted in his own forum. It doesn't discuss any other player, and is not really of general interest.

I think RagingLamb is too quick on the edit/delete button but you, ClayDeath, are also far too quick on the "Post New Thread" button. Every one of the threads you have started since you arrived at MTF has the same theme - Federer is finished, Nadal/Djokovic are the new tennis titans. :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

JediFed
06-19-2008, 04:22 PM
if I was a mod the first thing I'd do is ban Clay Death.


There should be at the very least a restriction on the number of threads anyone can start in a given day. I'm rather surprised MTF doesn't have this already.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 04:24 PM
3 - RagingLamb isn't a bad mod. Never had problems with him


Of course. THE most protected MTF member by RaginLamb is obligated to take a milion bows. Course, along with those female person from Scotland called 'I'm alowed to call idiot, moron, retard to everybody without a fear of infraction' L_mac.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 04:27 PM
Of course. THE most protected MTF member by RaginLamb is obligated to take a milion bows.

affirmative. maybe a few million suck up jobs as well. this is good time as any to suck up. never in doubt. suck away.

Zirconek
06-19-2008, 04:31 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90059

:wavey:

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 04:31 PM
Of course. THE most protected MTF member by RaginLamb is obligated to take a milion bows.

I'm not protected by anyone in MTF.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 04:32 PM
RagingLamb does a great job enforcing the policies of this forum, as far as I know, the gentleman is fair and balanced in his governing of General Messages.

I've also been lectured by him and I am grateful as I was too blinded by emotions to see the error of my ways.

Keep up the good work, Raging.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 04:36 PM
RagingLamb does a great job enforcing the policies of this forum, as far as I know, the gentleman is fair and balanced in his governing of General Messages.

I've also been lectured by him and I am grateful as I was too blinded by emotions to see the error of my ways.

Keep up the good work, Raging.


i can expect that from you. you are the worthless idiot that put together a huge effort to get me banned. you were begging posters to join you in your effort to get me banned. what a beggar and a miserable wretch you are.

they deleted that stupid thread. didnt that teach you anything?

l_mac
06-19-2008, 04:39 PM
Of course. THE most protected MTF member by RaginLamb is obligated to take a milion bows. Course, along with those female person from Scotland called 'I'm alowed to call idiot, moron, retard to everybody without a fear of infraction' L_mac.

:lol:

Manon, I am going to have to report your almost constant harassment of me. It's starting to get me down.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 04:42 PM
:lol:

Manon, I am going to have to report your almost constant harassment of me. It's starting to get me down.


but l mac what about your constant harassment and attacks on me. i dont show you anything but respect and in return, i get attacks.

rocketassist
06-19-2008, 04:43 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90059

:wavey:

Those rules are not the ones that RagingMod enforces, more their own.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 04:48 PM
Those rules are not the ones that RagingMod enforces, more their own.

exactly correct.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 04:49 PM
but l mac what about your constant harassment and attacks on me. i dont show you anything but respect and in return, i get attacks.

What are you talking about Clay Death?

I find your constant need to start the same threads over and over again annoying, and I find many of your posts idiotic and I often feel you deliberately act like a moron. I think you might be R=FK. Yes, I have probably told you this many times. I don't really have any interest in being "friends" with you on the board. When I disagree or think you are being stupid, I will tell you. I'd do the same to any poster. But I do not make insinuations about you, or make any personal attacks on what I imagine your character might be "in real life." And many times I have been cordial with you.

I really don't think there is a comparison to be made.

Black Adam
06-19-2008, 04:53 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90059

:wavey:
1.Blaze-2004 got an infraction/warning for congratulating a poster who stood up to Raginglamb................. I don't see any rule that forbids it in any of the Forum's rules, do you???

2.A thread comparing 2 rising players was deleted...............I don't see any rule that forbids it in the forum's rules, do you???

NUFF SAID.

Chiseller
06-19-2008, 04:53 PM
I enjoyed reporting your posts and I will continue to do so. Great thread, my work gets appreciated. :lol:

By the way, why ain't I surprised that you didn't stick to your word? Keep crying and threaten all of us that you are going to leave the board if you don't get your dummy. :lol:

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 04:55 PM
What are you talking about Clay Death?

I find your constant need to start the same threads over and over again annoying, and I find many of your posts idiotic and I often feel you deliberately act like a moron. I think you might be R=FK. Yes, I have probably told you this many times. I don't really have any interest in being "friends" with you on the board. When I disagree or think you are being stupid, I will tell you. I'd do the same to any poster. But I do not make insinuations about you, or make any personal attacks on what I imagine your character might be "in real life." And many times I have been cordial with you.

I really don't think there is a comparison to be made.

i think the bottom line is that you really cant help yourself. even this reply was a personal attack. how many posters will have to tell you and how many times for that matter that i am not rfk. you are calling me a liar. this is a shamless attack for no reason at all and it doesnt make you look any better. only worse. its pathetic really that you are willing to go so deep into the gutter for the sake of making yourself look smarter.

also, who the hell is forcing you you read my posts. are you that weak? cant you just skip over them? and finally, where are all these threads that you speak of?

Black Adam
06-19-2008, 04:57 PM
I enjoyed reporting your posts and I will continue to do so. Great thread, my work gets appreciated. :lol:

By the way, why ain't I surprised that you didn't stick to your word? Keep crying and threaten all of us that you are going to leave the board if you don't get your dummy. :lol:

You speak as if he will be banned? If he is going to be banned for this thread then there some people who should be posted out in the same package as him, to prove that there are no double standards.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 04:57 PM
1.Blaze-2004 got an infraction/warning for congratulating a poster who stood up to Raginglamb................. I don't see any rule that forbids it in any of the Forum's rules, do you???

2.A thread comparing 2 rising players was deleted...............I don't see any rule that forbids it in the forum's rules, do you???

NUFF SAID.

About your second points - you know it was a troll thread.

Black Adam
06-19-2008, 05:00 PM
OK, I will agree to why you have that point of view glenn. Many and identical threads may seem to be trolling à la JUSTCAUSE.

Clay Death how do you feel about a compromise because some people here feel that you start too many threads for them to handle.In other words, to others, you come out as an excessively talkative fella whilst your audience isn't that much into listening or seeing the light. Maybe if you start less threads, people here will be able to keep up with your brilliance and might interact with you more positively.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 05:01 PM
i think the bottom line is that you really cant help yourself. even this reply was a personal attack. how many posters will have to tell you and how many times for that matter that i am not rfk. you are calling me a liar. this is a shamless attack for no reason at all and it doesnt make you look any better. only worse. its pathetic really that you are willing to go so deep into the gutter for the sake of making yourself look smarter.

also, who the hell is forcing you you read my posts. are you that weak? cant you just skip over them? and finally, where are all these threads that you speak of?

:lol: :hug: I'm sorry it upsets you that I think you might be R=FK. You have very, very similar sensibilities and he has had many double accounts in the past. You both talk in cliches and make up buzz phrases that you then do to death. :shrug:

CD, get real, 90% your threads have the same theme (Fed is done, haha Fedfans) - you know it, I know it and everyone that posts on GM knows it.

scoobs
06-19-2008, 05:03 PM
Are there no mods around in GM in the european daytime or what?

Here we have a thread that is evidently in the wrong place and is just being used for personal attacks on mods and on other posters, and general ego-driven bitchiness, and it's been left here for hours instead of being moved to the right place or deleted (since this thread is not exactly following the rules).

Nobody is merging duplicate threads either.

Anybody out there?

prima donna
06-19-2008, 05:03 PM
My inquiry has to do with why a personal attack has been waged against RagingLamb, if I didn't know any better I'd accuse Clay Death of being a character assassin.

There is no room for this type of nonsense, if you have a problem with the man then take it up privately with him as a civilized human being.

Your antics are deplorable and I hope the administrators are able to recognize your scheme.

arm
06-19-2008, 05:04 PM
I've read the last posts and this is getting better. What we all need is to shout at each other not the mods. This way maybe MTF will become a peaceful place where everybody respects everybody including the players - utopia I know... :sad:

Shall I start? I am sick and tired of double standards and prejudice. And I am also sick of posters who think they are any better than any other person here.

gusman890
06-19-2008, 05:05 PM
And..what is to stop from this thread being deleted?

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:11 PM
My inquiry has to do with why a personal attack has been waged against RagingLamb, if I didn't know any better I'd accuse Clay Death of being a character assassin.

There is no room for this type of nonsense, if you have a problem with the man then take it up privately with him as a civilized human being.

Your antics are deplorable and I hope the administrators are able to recognize your scheme.

its not an attack. its a complaint that will soon be filed with the owners.

raging lamb has abused his position as a moderator for the sake of his personal agenda. plenty of posters agree with this and the proof is in the execution. he continues to delete threads and and he is hell bent on editing poster`s posts.

he has conveniently rigged his account here so i cannot send him a personal message. how pathetic is that. i am dealing with a coward and somebody who misrepresenting MTF for the sake of his own personal agenda.

this original post is far from an attack. its a complaint to the administrators and the owners. i will soon contact the right people involved in writing.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:12 PM
Are there no mods around in GM in the european daytime or what?

Here we have a thread that is evidently in the wrong place and is just being used for personal attacks on mods and on other posters, and general ego-driven bitchiness, and it's been left here for hours instead of being moved to the right place or deleted (since this thread is not exactly following the rules).

Nobody is merging duplicate threads either.

Anybody out there?

Second that.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:13 PM
This is a clear personal attack to a mod doing his job. It can't be perceived as anything else. I hope the right measures are taken.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:13 PM
Please be advised that Raging Lamb is taking his moderation duties too far. he continues to interfere with perfectly open and legitimate discussions on tennis. he is obsessive about editing posts and he also plays favorites here openly so as to try flaunt his little position.

there have been endless threads started here that are completely useless like the one about the Fed`s weight and the like and yet he took it upon himself to end several of my threads that were generating plenty of discussion here.

my thread about comparing and contrasting Nadal and Djokovic was ended for no reason when hundereds of posters were discussing their different styles of play.

and now my thread about the "doomsday stroking machine" which clearly talks about Nadal having taken his game to the next level was deleted for no reason at all.

worse, he has issued me an infraction for starting that thread. that thread was perfectly legitimate. the method of my making the point of his being on a tear for the last 3 months was creative but clean and intelligent. and posters were willing to discuss Nadal`s rising game.

this is a man who is ate up with hate. worse, he is taking his little duty of moderating too far. he is going out of his way to edit endless posts as well as delete perfectly legitimate threads that seem to generate fair amount of discussion. in short, he cant help butting in and it is constant and excessive.

this is not a professional and fair representation of MTF. this is going too far. this is about somebody who is now simply abusing his litle moderation duty. this will have a very adverse effect on this forum. number of intelligent posters no longer feel like posting here.

I will next make the calls to the owners of this forum to stop this abuse.

A lot of people are complaining about Raginglamb, including me. I think he is an embarrassment to the forum.

TMJordan
06-19-2008, 05:13 PM
Good thread clay death :worship:

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:15 PM
He gives me an infraction for calling somebody a moron, for stating something moronic, yet their is a emoticon on this forum symbolizing the word "retard".

Same here. I called Shotgun a "moron". I got an infraction. Shotgun, a Premium Member, called me a "fuckhead" and received no warning. Like I said, Raginglamb is an embarrassment to the forum and is abusing his power.

scoobs
06-19-2008, 05:17 PM
I'm trying to find out what process we need to follow to get some additional GM mods appointed to try to calm this sort of thing down.

There are procedures that are more effective for complaining about how the site is run but people would rather start a thread and organise an online lynch mob.

I hope something can be done in future to prevent this sort of thread from running for hours.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:18 PM
The problem is: who's qualified and impartial?

arm
06-19-2008, 05:18 PM
The problem is: who's qualified and impartial?

Good point.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:18 PM
OK, I will agree to why you have that point of view glenn. Many and identical threads may seem to be trolling à la JUSTCAUSE.

Clay Death how do you feel about a compromise because some people here feel that you start too many threads for them to handle.In other words, to others, you come out as an excessively talkative fella whilst your audience isn't that much into listening or seeing the light. Maybe if you start less threads, people here will be able to keep up with your brilliance and might interact with you more positively.

agreed. i have cut back already actually. i dont see hardly any of my threads around.

this last one was really going to be about Clay Monster`s devastating ground strokes but it never got a chance to develop because Raging Lamb had a personal agenda and deleted it.

the other one was quite legitimate as well. the one about Djokovic vs Nadal--comparison thread was perfectly legitimate and was generating some discussion. posters has interesting input. some felt that Djokovic had huge upside whil others felt that Nadal was simply better. in cany case, there was absolutley no reason to end that thread just as it was developing.

this is is just gross abuse. raging lamb should never have given this duty of moderation so he can just promote his won agenda. he is hurting MTF and misrepresenting it.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:22 PM
A lot of people are complaining about Raginglamb, including me. I think he is an embarrassment to the forum.

he continues to be a huge liability to the forum by continuously misrepresenting it. it went from a bad habit to a disease.

people were complaining about him long before i have decided to make my complaint.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 05:23 PM
The problem is: who's qualified and impartial?

:cool:

You'd be hard pressed to find a fairer, more beloved poster than me.

tennizen
06-19-2008, 05:23 PM
:cool:

You'd be hard pressed to find a fairer, more beloved poster than me.

:cool:

Zirconek
06-19-2008, 05:23 PM
Those rules are not the ones that RagingMod enforces, more their own.
actually I didn't read the rules :p

now talking seriously, he should stick to the rules and good sense, maybe not everything is foreseen by the rules. Anyway, he has a hard task moderating GM and is quite new to his role, he should learn from the critics and improve his performance as moderator. Hopefully.

1.Blaze-2004 got an infraction/warning for congratulating a poster who stood up to Raginglamb................. I don't see any rule that forbids it in any of the Forum's rules, do you???

2.A thread comparing 2 rising players was deleted...............I don't see any rule that forbids it in the forum's rules, do you???

NUFF SAID.

1. that's really inappropriate.

2. didn't see this thread.

3. just two points are not enough for me, I'm not thoughtless.

scoobs
06-19-2008, 05:24 PM
The problem is: who's qualified and impartial?
I guess the people who have chosen them in the past must know what the look for? :shrug:

prima donna
06-19-2008, 05:24 PM
the other one was quite legitimate as well. the one about Djokovic vs Nadal--comparison thread was perfectly legitimate and was generating some discussion.


75% of the discussion was being generated by you, as usual.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 05:25 PM
:cool:

Yes! That's a bigger backing than RagingLamb had :woohoo: I'm surely a dead cert. :worship:

MagicMilan
06-19-2008, 05:25 PM
This is a clear personal attack to a mod doing his job. It can't be perceived as anything else. I hope the right measures are taken.
Right measures are never taken here on MTF. Otherwise you would have been banned long time ago :)

tennizen
06-19-2008, 05:26 PM
Yes! That's a bigger backing than RagingLamb had :woohoo: I'm surely a dead cert. :worship:

Backing! you! I was nominating myself by saying I was a fairer and more balanced poster than you:p:p:lol:

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:26 PM
Same here. I called Shotgun a "moron". I got an infraction. Shotgun, a Premium Member, called me a "fuckhead" and received no warning. Like I said, Raginglamb is an embarrassment to the forum and is abusing his power.


not just an embarrassment but a total joke. there is no other moderator at MTF who has abused his little position so carelessly and recklessly as this raging lamb. its gotten so bad that on some days, he is butting in just about every post and editing it.

did somebody forget to tell him that his job was to moderate debates and facilitate them and not end them so he can just promote his pathetic little agenda.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 05:27 PM
Backing! you! I was nominating myself by saying I was a fairer and more balanced poster than you:p:p:lol:

:bigcry: :bigcry:

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:27 PM
75% of the discussion was being generated by you, as usual.

So do you think Raginglamb was right to not warn Shotgun for calling me a "fuckhead" and warn me for calling Shotgun a "moron"? He not only abuses his power, but he plays favourites. Shotgun is a Premium Member, who has been around a while, so Raginglamb clearly did not want to warn him. I, on the other hand, am fairly new to the site. It is, therefore, acceptable to warn me for relatively benign language. Or so it seems.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 05:30 PM
So do you think Raginglamb was right to not warn Shotgun for calling me a "fuckhead" and warn me for calling Shotgun a "moron"? He not only abuses his power, but he plays favourites. Shotgun is a Premium Member, who has been around a while, so Raginglamb clearly did not want to warn him. I, on the other hand, am fairly new to the site. It is, therefore, acceptable to warn me for relatively benign language. Or so it seems.
It's not up to me to decide, it's up to the discretion of the moderator in question to determine what conduct warrants action.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:31 PM
:cool:

You'd be hard pressed to find a fairer, more beloved poster than me.

Yeah right. :p :lol:

You called me "someone not to be trusted".

I guess the people who have chosen them in the past must know what the look for? :shrug:

I think in the past it was easier to find impartiality.

Right measures are never taken here on MTF. Otherwise you would have been banned long time ago :)

:lol:

If ATP took the right measures Fakervic would be banned from competitions and you wouldn't even be following tennis anymore. :)

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:32 PM
It's not up to me to decide, it's up to the discretion of the moderator in question to determine what conduct warrants action.

Way to sit on the fence or, more accurately, bury your head in the sand. You clearly support Raginglamb, so whatever punishment he decides to hand out is fine by you. It doesn't matter how absurd it is, apparently.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:35 PM
Stop calling people "morons" for a change maybe.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:35 PM
So do you think Raginglamb was right to not warn Shotgun for calling me a "fuckhead" and warn me for calling Shotgun a "moron"? He not only abuses his power, but he plays favourites. Shotgun is a Premium Member, who has been around a while, so Raginglamb clearly did not want to warn him. I, on the other hand, am fairly new to the site. It is, therefore, acceptable to warn me for relatively benign language. Or so it seems.


he has clear favorites. just look at glenn mirny and prima donna characters who are going out of their way to suck up to him. it is interesting how they have continued to attack me for the longest. this is their way to continue to their mindless and pathetic little attacks. this prima donna guttersnipe hag tried to beg posters to join her in her cause to ban me from the forum. notice how they are also allowed to call people names without any reason and get away with it.

administrators finally deleted her thread where she went on and on with her personal attacks and her message of hate of toward me. and i had never said a word to her before that. not one word.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:36 PM
Stop calling us "sucker ups". You're the one attacking mods here.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:37 PM
Stop calling us "sucker ups". You're the one attacking mods here.

For good reason. And he's not the only one. There's a thread in the non-tennis section, too.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:37 PM
Stop calling people "morons" for a change maybe.

I'm not necessarily complaining about the warning. I would accept the warning if he had been consistent. The fact is he warned me for calling Shotgun a "moron" and didn't warn Shotgun for calling me a "fuckhead". That is inconsistent.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 05:37 PM
Way to sit on the fence or, more accurately, bury your head in the sand. You clearly support Raginglamb, so whatever punishment he decides to hand out is fine by you. It doesn't matter how absurd it is, apparently.
RagingLamb is one of the better moderators on this board in terms of merging together threads which have more or less the same main general topic of discussion.

I'd give him credit for changing the environment on this board, if he were to be dismissed or removed from the MTF team, I'd be hugely disappointed.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 05:39 PM
Well, I've also complained about few things on several occasions. And guess what, I can't find those posts, they have been edited or deleted. I was complaining about some non-compatible threads being merged, posts editing, locking down successful threads without possible rules being violated etc. On the other hand I like that there is a moderator who is committed to what he/she is doing. So RL, keep up the good work and cut off the bad work (double standards, wrong decisions and personal agenda). I believe that he/she is a little bit overwhelmed from the power that he/she got and overstepping his/hers duties, but I also believe that in time he/she will bringing better and wiser decisions and will became a really good moderator.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:39 PM
RagingLamb is one of the better moderators on this board in terms of merging together threads which have more or less the same main general topic of discussion.

I'd give him credit for changing the environment on this board, if he were to be dismissed or removed from the MTF team, I'd be hugely disappointed.

So you think that it's ok for him to play favourites because he's good at merging threads? It's ok for him to turn a blind eye to Premium members and take action against non-Premium members?

prima donna
06-19-2008, 05:42 PM
So you think that it's ok for him to play favourites because he's good at merging threads? It's ok for him to turn a blind eye to Premium members and take action against non-Premium members?
I'm not quite sure how you're able to come up with the notion that discrimination based on premium status or non premium status has taken place.

scarecrows
06-19-2008, 05:42 PM
RL is doing a good job, not perfect but rather good. Only problem is that similar threads about different players are seen with different eye.

As for Clay Death, please go to t4u or whatever forum you like where you can freely spread your brilliant ideas and thoughts (aka. useless garbage)

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:44 PM
I'm not necessarily complaining about the warning. I would accept the warning if he had been consistent. The fact is he warned me for calling Shotgun a "moron" and didn't warn Shotgun for calling me a "fuckhead". That is inconsistent.

How do you know he wasn't warned?

Ales_Alessandra
06-19-2008, 05:45 PM
3 - RagingLamb isn't a bad mod. Never had problems with him

:eek: :scratch:

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:45 PM
I'm not quite sure how you're able to come up with the notion that discrimination based on premium status or non premium status has taken place.

It's a logical inference.

Shotgun is a Premium member that has been around for a while. I'm a new member. He called me a "fuckhead" and I called him a "moron". I got warned, he didn't.

It seems fairly straightforward. Unless you have another explanation, other than playing favourites?

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:45 PM
Well, I've also complained about few things on several occasions. And guess what, I can't find those posts, they have been edited or deleted. I was complaining about some non-compatible threads being merged, posts editing, locking down successful threads without possible rules being violated etc. On the other hand I like that there is a moderator who is committed to what he/she is doing. So RL, keep up the good work and cut off the bad work (double standards, wrong decisions and personal agenda). I believe that he/she is a little bit overwhelmed from the power that he/she got and overstepping his/hers duties, but I also believe that in time he/she will bringing better and wiser decisions and will became a really good moderator.

excellent post. i am very impressed. i hope they heed the advice. i am still in the process of putting together a rather lengthy letter detailing all the abuse, attacks, and infractions directed against me as well as constant interference with other people`s posts wher he feels compelled to edit posts. he has to find a way to stop promoting his personal agenda. its just pathetic and cheap and it doesnt make MTF look very good.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:47 PM
Way to sit on the fence or, more accurately, bury your head in the sand. You clearly support Raginglamb, so whatever punishment he decides to hand out is fine by you. It doesn't matter how absurd it is, apparently.


well she is actully burying her face in his ass. a truly shameless act of cowardice. that much is clear enough.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:50 PM
How do you know he wasn't warned?

Because I asked him.

rocketassist
06-19-2008, 05:50 PM
The RagingMod is a she.

shotgun was a great GM mod and should never have lost his job.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 05:51 PM
I'm not necessarily complaining about the warning. I would accept the warning if he had been consistent. The fact is he warned me for calling Shotgun a "moron" and didn't warn Shotgun for calling me a "fuckhead". That is inconsistent.And did you report shotgun's post? Maybe it was just missed? Why are you assuming the worst about a person because of one little thing that was missed?

Well, I've also complained about few things on several occasions. And guess what, I can't find those posts, they have been edited or deleted. I was complaining about some non-compatible threads being merged, posts editing, locking down successful threads without possible rules being violated etc. On the other hand I like that there is a moderator who is committed to what he/she is doing. So RL, keep up the good work and cut off the bad work (double standards, wrong decisions and personal agenda). I believe that he/she is a little bit overwhelmed from the power that he/she got and overstepping his/hers duties, but I also believe that in time he/she will bringing better and wiser decisions and will became a really good moderator.What exactly do you think his personal agenda is? I don't even know who RagingLamb's favorite players are, I'd say that's being pretty impartial. Apparently no one here even gave a thought to the fact that he is a person too and might make some honest to goodness mistakes sometimes.

So you think that it's ok for him to play favourites because he's good at merging threads? It's ok for him to turn a blind eye to Premium members and take action against non-Premium members?You really think that Premium members are favored by mods? That's utterly ludicrous :lol: Why would RagingLamb care? It's not like he gets a portion of the premium membership proceeds, that's absolutely ridiculous and 100% incorrect.The RagingMod is a she.

shotgun was a great GM mod and should never have lost his job.Be quiet please; no need to be sexist. Shotgun did not "lose his job" - he chose to step down, ask him why.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:52 PM
I think RL posted very explicitly that he's a guy...

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 05:52 PM
Because I asked him.

I was banned for 6 months from GM and I'm a premium member... I don't think your theory makes much sense. :)

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:56 PM
And did you report shotgun's post? Maybe it was just missed? Why are you assuming the worst about a person because of one little thing that was missed?


No, I didn't. Shotgun didn't report mine either. Raginglamb took matters into her own hands. And no, it wasn't missed. She edited the posts and removed where I said "moron" and where Shotgun said "fuckhead". She also participated in the thread after it all took place. So again, she didn't miss it. She chose to ignore it.

As to favouring Premium members, perhaps it was just Shotgun that she favoured. Either way, it's unacceptable.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:56 PM
I was banned for 6 months from GM and I'm a premium member... I don't think your theory makes much sense. :)

so why dont they ban you now? you have been attacking posters and calling them names ever since i joined this place. you have come after me at least 10 times for no reason at all.

at least, i talk about tennis. you go after posters for no reason at all.

and of course, you have become a pretty good suck up artist so mods can leave you alone. suck away.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 05:57 PM
excellent post. i am very impressed. i hope they heed the advice. i am still in the process of putting together a rather lengthy letter detailing all the abuse, attacks, and infractions directed against me as well as constant interference with other people`s posts wher he feels compelled to edit posts. he has to find a way to stop promoting his personal agenda. its just pathetic and cheap and it doesnt make MTF look very good.

Oh, actually I generally don't agree with your posts and especially don't like the way you are doing it, but as I said in the "lynch" thread about your banning: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." These are the words written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, but the world knows them as Voltaire's.

rocketassist
06-19-2008, 05:57 PM
Be quiet please; no need to be sexist. Shotgun did not "lose his job" - he chose to step down, ask him why.

How is it sexist? I think it's a she and it's been stated it is. And no I won't be quiet. :)

The mod application process in giving the job to RL sucked. It said that there needed to be an enforcement of rules, applied randomly and got the job. Naturally if an election of sorts had took place like it did for all the others then it would have been a fair process.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 05:57 PM
I was banned for 6 months from GM and I'm a premium member... I don't think your theory makes much sense. :)

Like I said, above, perhaps it's not favouring Premium members. He probably just favoured Shotgun, what with them both being older members. Regardless of the reason, it's inconsistent moderating.

habibko
06-19-2008, 06:00 PM
oh I'm so enjoying this

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Oh, actually I generally don't agree with your posts and especially don't like the way you are doing it, but as I said in the "lynch" thread about your banning: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." These are the words written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, but the world knows them as Voltaire's.


i hear you. you can expect the same from me. i have full respect for reasonable, fair, and objective posters who are just passionate about tennis. i carry no personal agenda.


my presentation is more dramatic so as to make it a little more interesting.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 06:02 PM
How is it sexist? I think it's a she and it's been stated it is. And no I won't be quiet. :)

The mod application process in giving the job to RL sucked. It said that there needed to be an enforcement of rules, applied randomly and got the job. Naturally if an election of sorts had took place like it did for all the others then it would have been a fair process.Keep spewing incorrect facts, Joey. The only mods elected at MTF are player forum mods, elected by the posters of the forums. No GM mod has ever been elected. Shotgun resigned, by his own choice, and he was replaced by the supermods. end of story, so you can stop with your pointless conspiracy theories. If you have a problem with why RagingLamb was selected, write to the supermods and ask why RL was chosen.

MagicMilan
06-19-2008, 06:02 PM
If ATP took the right measures Fakervic would be banned from competitions and you wouldn't even be following tennis anymore. :)
Oh you poor thing :hug: It's gonna be very hard for you when Novak eventually retires. Your life won't have a meaning :sad:
And yes, I've been a tennis fan since AO 1993 :)

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 06:02 PM
so why dont they ban you now? you have been attacking posters and calling them names ever since i joined this place. you have come after me at least 10 times for no reason at all.

at least, i talk about tennis. you go after posters for no reason at all.

and of course, you have become a pretty good suck up artist so mods can leave you alone. suck away.

:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

:bs:

You attack everyone and troll non-stop 24-7. GM has had its rough times, but it's unbearable now and 98% of it is because of your monologues and 600 posts in the same thread talking to yourself or one of your aliases. Also your posts are 100% intelligence-proof. It's just a bunch of :bs: and crap concatenated to seem like you're saying something, which you never are, because your comprehension of tennis is as good as Stalin's comprehension of democracy. :)

Keep attacking posters and mods. I have no problem with that.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:03 PM
oh I'm so enjoying this


looks like its me against the world. i can still win. i have the truth on my side.

rocketassist
06-19-2008, 06:06 PM
Keep spewing incorrect facts, Joey. The only mods elected at MTF are player forum mods, elected by the posters of the forums. No GM mod has ever been elected. Shotgun resigned, by his own choice, and he was replaced by the supermods. end of story, so you can stop with your pointless conspiracy theories. If you have a problem with why RagingLamb was selected, write to the supermods and ask why RL was chosen.

yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap :haha:

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 06:06 PM
Oh you poor thing :hug: It's gonna be very hard for you when Novak eventually retires. Your life won't have a meaning :sad:
And yes, I've been a tennis fan since AO 1993 :)

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Then it's worse than I thought. You are just plain clueless about the sport.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 06:07 PM
yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap :haha:Sorry you have so much trouble understanding the truth.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 06:07 PM
Is Raging Lamb a Djokovic fan? I mean Neely and Bad Gambler support Kiefer and Federer and yet when there is some form of hate or distaste directed towards their faves they don't go overboard handing out punishments.

Obviously.

Any post that has even a sniff of anti-Djokovicness is quickly deleted, edited, or infractioned

prima donna
06-19-2008, 06:07 PM
looks like its me against the world. i can still win. i have the truth on my side.
Hello there Rafa=FedKilla.

MagicMilan
06-19-2008, 06:09 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Then it's worse than I thought. You are just plain clueless about the sport.
What part of any of my posts made you think I'm clueless about tennis??? :rolleyes:

MagicMilan
06-19-2008, 06:11 PM
Obviously.

Any post that has even a sniff of anti-Djokovicness is quickly deleted, edited, or infractioned
If what you said were true, your number of posts wouldn't have been 15460 but 460 :o

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:12 PM
Hello there Rafa=FedKilla.

hello there "lynch" bitchess.

i am not rfk by the way.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 06:12 PM
What part of any of my posts made you think I'm clueless about tennis??? :rolleyes:

You support the biggest cheater and Faker of the sport since Jeff Tarango. That says enough.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 06:14 PM
What exactly do you think his personal agenda is? I don't even know who RagingLamb's favorite players are, I'd say that's being pretty impartial. Apparently no one here even gave a thought to the fact that he is a person too and might make some honest to goodness mistakes sometimes.


I wasn't talking about personal agenda toward players, I haven't noticed that too and RL is doing pretty god job in that area. I was talking about personal agenda toward some posters and it is clear that he/she doesn't like CD. In one evening he/she locked down several threads with near 1000 posts and the rules were not broken in any of them. But as I said I do believe that he/she will be great moderator in the future (and that those things are just mistakes caused by beginner overwhelming from newly given powers).

I doubt RagingMod is a guy or a girl, some sort of mutant I reckon.

Judging by that your every posts gets edited in the same time every day, he/she must be automated software and not a real person.;)

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 06:17 PM
I wasn't talking about personal agenda toward players, I haven't noticed that too and RL is doing pretty god job in that area. I was talking about personal agenda toward some posters and it is clear that he/she doesn't like CD. In one evening he/she locked down several threads with near 1000 posts and the rules were not broken in any of them. But as I said I do believe that he/she will be great moderator in the future (and that those things are just mistakes caused by beginner overwhelming from newly given powers).You can't conclude someone has a personal agenda towards another poster(s) just based on the fact that several of that poster's threads were closed, especially when that poster is known for creating a lot of threads, many of them arguably for trolling purposes. Doesn't matter how many posts a thread has if it starts getting out of hand.

And second of all, how do you know that RL was the one who closed the threads? Last I checked, there is no notice that says which mod closed a thread. People are just assuming, perhaps unfairly, that RL is the one responsible for ALL of this moderation. There ARE three supermods and two other GM mods, after all. Just because they are not as "visible" doesn't mean they are not doing other things.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 06:17 PM
This persecution of RagingLamb's character is beginning to become reminiscent of the infamous Salem Witch Trials.

MagicMilan
06-19-2008, 06:19 PM
You support the biggest cheater and Faker of the sport since Jeff Tarango. That says enough.
You should learn the word RESPECT :secret:. You're sad if you think that every Novak fan is clueless about tennis :sad: You have your opinion, but disrespecting every single Novak fan is beyond pathetic

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 06:20 PM
I think this thread was created with the sole intent of attacking and harassing a mod that's just doing his work.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 06:20 PM
This persecution of RagingLamb's character is beginning to become reminiscent of the infamous Salem Witch Trials.

Feel free to reply to my post any time.

I told you what happened when I got warned and rather than concede that RL was out of line, you've just ignored my reply to you.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:21 PM
Oh you poor thing :hug: It's gonna be very hard for you when Novak eventually retires. Your life won't have a meaning :sad:
And yes, I've been a tennis fan since AO 1993 :)
dont worry. he has a fairly meaningless life already. every other poster calls him/her a mindless troll.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 06:21 PM
I think this thread was created with the sole intent of attacking and harassing a mod that's just doing his work.

I'm not that sad or vindictive. I have a valid complaint and no one has suggested that I don't.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 06:22 PM
You should learn the word RESPECT :secret:. You're sad if you think that every Novak fan is clueless about tennis :sad: You have your opinion, but disrespecting every single Novak fan is beyond pathetic :crazy:

When you support someone who has no idea of what's respect towards other players/the sport/the fans, you can't expect any kind of respect back.

Also you Fakertards are probably the most pretentious, disrespectful and impolite fanbase in MTF.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 06:23 PM
I'm not that sad or vindictive. I have a valid complaint and no one has suggested that I don't.You do, but where you fall short is that you didn't complain about it when it happened, you didn't even attempt to see if it was a mistake or simply an unintentional oversight. You just assumed there is some sort of bias and started accusing things where if you had just voiced your concern when it happened, chances are damn good shotgun also would have received an infraction. If you really think that every mod should catch every "infractionable" action, I think you are expecting too much. The report post button is there for a reason - to help the mods and the board as a whole. If you don't utilize what is there, you can't simply expect perfection.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 06:23 PM
1.Blaze-2004 got an infraction/warning for congratulating a poster who stood up to Raginglamb................. I don't see any rule that forbids it in any of the Forum's rules, do you??

Yeah, that one was a complete joke :o

Dont forgot another one i got from my locked thread :rolleyes:

My inquiry has to do with why a personal attack has been waged against RagingLamb, if I didn't know any better I'd accuse Clay Death of being a character assassin.

The only character assassinations going on is RL on his own character when he started going around MTF abusing his power.

Well, I've also complained about few things on several occasions. And guess what, I can't find those posts, they have been edited or deleted. I was complaining about some non-compatible threads being merged, posts editing, locking down successful threads without possible rules being violated etc. On the other hand I like that there is a moderator who is committed to what he/she is doing. So RL, keep up the good work and cut off the bad work (double standards, wrong decisions and personal agenda). I believe that he/she is a little bit overwhelmed from the power that he/she got and overstepping his/hers duties, but I also believe that in time he/she will bringing better and wiser decisions and will became a really good moderator.

Now this post i somewhat agree with. It is true he is new to his job and perhaps should be given leeway, but the fact that he has consistently shown what a clown he is in terms of infractions for stupid reasons boggles the mind.

He still has a chance to be a good GM mod.

If what you said were true, your number of posts wouldn't have been 15460 but 460 :o

Not really.

RL isn't that bad to delete 15000 posts

This persecution of RagingLamb's character is beginning to become reminiscent of the infamous Salem Witch Trials.

Oh please :rolleyes:

The trials were based on stupid 1692 superstition of witches, and none of the women that were killed were witches. They went around blindly accusing people of being witches and burning them at the stake. If anything, RL is the townspeople and the good people of GM are the "witches" that are being accused randomly and posts deleted, edited, or infractioned

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:24 PM
This persecution of RagingLamb's character is beginning to become reminiscent of the infamous Salem Witch Trials.


so says the forum "lynch bitchess" who started a lynch mob thread against me. they deleted that thread. did you learn anything?

this has been nothing more than an official complaint of raging lambs abuse of his authority.

but you are the best there is at taking things out of context for your own expedience.

go peddle your garbage elsewhere. there is no market for it here.

cobalt60
06-19-2008, 06:24 PM
Has anyone actually read the rules regarding posting on GM?

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 06:24 PM
I'm not that sad or vindictive. I have a valid complaint and no one has suggested that I don't.

Attacking mods usually ends up going wrong. I think that if you keep going in this boat you'll be drowned too. If you have some complain about a mod, send a PM to one of the supermods: Neely, Carlita or Bad Gambler and talk to them.

Don't go Clown Death's way. :)

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 06:27 PM
Also, in the thread title, "Administrators" is spelled wrong :o

Clydey
06-19-2008, 06:27 PM
Attacking mods usually ends up going wrong. I think that if you keep going in this boat you'll be drowned too. If you have some complain about a mod, send a PM to one of the supermods: Neely, Carlita or Bad Gambler and talk to them.

Don't go Clown Death's way. :)

Will do. Cheers.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 06:28 PM
You do, but where you fall short is that you didn't complain about it when it happened, you didn't even attempt to see if it was a mistake or simply an unintentional oversight. You just assumed there is some sort of bias and started accusing things where if you had just voiced your concern when it happened, chances are damn good shotgun also would have received an infraction.

What are you talking about? I did complain about it. He edited the post where I called Shotgun a moron and where he called me a fuckhead. I then brought it to his attention that it was unfair of him to warn me, but not warn Shotgun. He's fully aware of my complaint, but chose to ignore it.

So tell me in what way RL was in the right? He is 100% wrong and should be held accountable. I only ask for consistency. I'll take the warning so long as Shotgun gets his. He didn't, though.

habibko
06-19-2008, 06:28 PM
poor RL must be having some nightmares in his sound sleep right now :sad:

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:29 PM
You can't conclude someone has a personal agenda towards another poster(s) just based on the fact that several of that poster's threads were closed, especially when that poster is known for creating a lot of threads, many of them arguably for trolling purposes. Doesn't matter how many posts a thread has if it starts getting out of hand.

And second of all, how do you know that RL was the one who closed the threads? Last I checked, there is no notice that says which mod closed a thread. People are just assuming, perhaps unfairly, that RL is the one responsible for ALL of this moderation. There ARE three supermods and two other GM mods, after all. Just because they are not as "visible" doesn't mean they are not doing other things.

well he sends me the thread that he has deleted and the resulting infraction for my having created that thread. he is handing out infractions like he owns the bloody forum. at thsi rate, he will surely run off a lot of good posters who just love tennis.

there have been near endless completely useless threads here the whole time i have been here but at least my threads talk specifically about tennis. i was advised by some posters to cut back on threads and i obliged.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 06:29 PM
RagingLamb is not corrupt, could we leave it at that and proceed with business as usual ?

This thread should be disposed of and proper action should be taken against the person responsible for initiating the spread of such hate-mongering.

MagicMilan
06-19-2008, 06:30 PM
When you support someone who has no idea of what's respect towards other players/the sport/the fans, you can't expect any kind of respect back.
:bs: I don't respect some players, but respect their fans.


Also you Fakertards are probably the most pretentious, disrespectful and impolite fanbase in MTF.
You should really stop insulting in every fuckin' post. Not all Nole fans are tards :rolleyes:

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 06:31 PM
Also you Fakertards are probably the most pretentious, disrespectful and impolite fanbase in MTF.

Question for Deboogle:

Because you're speaking in RagingLamb's name - have/can/may you tell us something about this qoute?

Do you, as moderator, have/can say something about this genaralization?

Serbs are animals, savages, I know, but try, please.

Have/can you, as mod, tell us something about 'primadonna' nazi, rasists comments?

Clydey
06-19-2008, 06:32 PM
RagingLamb is not corrupt, could we leave it at that and proceed with business as usual ?

This thread should be disposed of and proper action should be taken against the person responsible for initiating the spread of such hate-mongering.

Answer my post please and find flaws in my logic. Before I leave the thread and take it to PM, I want you to concede that RL was 100% in the wrong. I have explained the circumstances of my warning quite clearly. Explain why RL was in the right please.

zerocool_
06-19-2008, 06:32 PM
oh I'm so enjoying this


http://www.goodha.com/FStore/Work_Files/2007/11/25/136/thr_136_28780384.gif

:)

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:32 PM
poor RL must be having some nightmares in his sound sleep right now :sad:

how can he be so poor. his only job is to pour over endless posts to see which one he can edit. pretty sad life if you ask me.

instead of offering ideas to promote discussions and facilitating them like other mods do, he takes it upon himself to just edit posts or delete threads for no reason at all when its clear that no rules are being broken.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 06:34 PM
What are you talking about? I did complain about it. He edited the post where I called Shotgun a moron and where he called me a fuckhead. I then brought it to his attention that it was unfair of him to warn me, but not warn Shotgun. He's fully aware of my complaint, but chose to ignore it.

So tell me in what way RL was in the right? He is 100% wrong and should be held accountable. I only ask for consistency. I'll take the warning so long as Shotgun gets his. He didn't, though.please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was right that you were warned and shotgun wasn't. I'm just suggesting that maybe we don't know the whole story. Did you PM RagingLamb? And when you felt ignored, did you write to a supermod? I am all for consistency in moderation, I whine about it all the time in the mod forum, but if the supermods don't know the inconsistency is happening, what can they do?
Question for Deboogle:

Because you're speaking in RagingLamb's name - have/can/may you tell us something about this qoute?

Do you, as moderator, have/can say about this genaralization?

Serbs are animals, savages, I know, but try, please.You don't want my opinion, if I were GM mod, I'd make RagingLamb look soft. :) But it's not a job I would want, nor would I be able to do because I have almost 100 people in GM on my ignore list :D Luckily for me, the forum I mainly moderate is full of intelligent respectful people who know how to disagree with each other without degrading into insults and generalizations :D

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 06:34 PM
You can't conclude someone has a personal agenda towards another poster(s) just based on the fact that several of that poster's threads were closed, especially when that poster is known for creating a lot of threads, many of them arguably for trolling purposes. Doesn't matter how many posts a thread has if it starts getting out of hand.

That word has been used excessively and in very flexible and convenient ways by numerous of posters. I could interpret (bend) the words of 90% of the threads in the way that every one of them will be explained as started and posted with trolling purposes.


And second of all, how do you know that RL was the one who closed the threads? Last I checked, there is no notice that says which mod closed a thread. People are just assuming, perhaps unfairly, that RL is the one responsible for ALL of this moderation. There ARE three supermods and two other GM mods, after all. Just because they are not as "visible" doesn't mean they are not doing other things.

Actually I don't know for sure and when I complained about that I referred to moderator who did that, but since all of those things started to happen right after RL became a moderator, it was logical assumption that he/she did that.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 06:34 PM
Answer my post please and find flaws in my logic. Before I leave the thread and take it to PM, I want you to concede that RL was 100% in the wrong. I have explained the circumstances of my warning quite clearly. Explain why RL was in the right please.
I trust the judgment of RagingLamb, there's also some chance that your chronology of the events has been distorted to fulfill an underlying agenda.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 06:38 PM
Actually I don't know for sure and when I complained about that I referred to moderator who did that, but since all of those things started to happen right after RL became a moderator, it was logical assumption that he/she did that.Perhaps I'm more sensitive to these kinds of assumptions/accusations because I have been on the receiving end of them multiple times. More than once has someone accused me of influencing other mods or trying to rule the board and get people banned, none of which was ever true and the assumptions/accusations were made solely because I have a big mouth and spoke up in the threads, not because I actually have any influence over the supermods whatsoever (because I don't). So perhaps I can sympathize with RL being accused of doing all of this stuff when it simply might not be true.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 06:40 PM
I trust the judgment of RagingLamb, there's also some chance that your chronology of the events has been distorted to fulfill an underlying agenda.

No, it hasn't. How sad of you. I detail the circumstances of my warning and you simply call me a liar.

I have no agenda here other than to highlight RL's lack of objectivity. I got warned for calling some a "moron" and that same person didn't get warned for calling me a "fuckhead". It's really that simple. Calling me a liar does little more than demonstrate how worthless your opinion is. Such ad hominem attacks are indicative of a mental midget.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 06:40 PM
:bs: I don't respect some players, but respect their fans.


You should really stop insulting in every fuckin' post. Not all Nole fans are tards :rolleyes:

When you support a cheater, you're being his accomplice. Don't run from the responsability.

Well, why don't you go back to the AO SF thread and see for yourself if I'm overreacting.

Question for Deboogle:

Because you're speaking in RagingLamb's name - have/can/may you tell us something about this qoute?

Do you, as moderator, have/can say something about this genaralization?

Serbs are animals, savages, I know, but try, please.

Have/can you, as mod, tell us something about 'primadonna' nazi, rasists comments?

So saying Fakertards are this or that is being "racist" and "Nazi"? I love the double standard.

Also you Fakertards have no idea of how to behave in a tennis forum. Even Rafatards have finally (in a strange and bizarre way) learned how to behave.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:40 PM
please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was right that you were warned and shotgun wasn't. I'm just suggesting that maybe we don't know the whole story. Did you PM RagingLamb? And when you felt ignored, did you write to a supermod? I am all for consistency in moderation, I whine about it all the time in the mod forum, but if the supermods don't know the inconsistency is happening, what can they do?
You don't want my opinion, if I were GM mod, I'd make RagingLamb look soft. :) But it's not a job I would want, nor would I be able to do because I have almost 100 people in GM on my ignore list :D Luckily for me, the forum I mainly moderate is full of intelligent respectful people who know how to disagree with each other without degrading into insults and generalizations :D

for what its worth, i have found Deb to be fair and consistent who actually works to facilitate discussions, and not end them for no reason at all when its clear that no rules are being broken.

Allez
06-19-2008, 06:41 PM
I completely agree with Clay Death. Pity I can't good rep him. There are some excitable people here who take their duties way too far. This board is not just about reporting match results and everyone agreeing with everyone else. Sameness is the fastest way to destroy a community. There was another thread I was enjoying started Blaze only to find it gone the next day. It was a perfectly reasonable thread and was not a duplicate of any other thread and although there were heated disagreements, it was still conducted in a civil manner. Some of these mods need to be relieved of their duties pronto :mad:

Thanks Clay Death for calling this person out. I wondered who it was who was deleting and closing everything down.

habibko
06-19-2008, 06:42 PM
:lol: finally moved I see, I so want to hear RL's view about all this

ASP0315
06-19-2008, 06:43 PM
When you support someone who has no idea of what's respect towards other players/the sport/the fans, you can't expect any kind of respect back.

Also you Fakertards are probably the most pretentious, disrespectful and impolite fanbase in MTF.

very true.
on the other thread R=FK is talking about Federer getting rigged draws at wimbledon and defending Nole as innocent bystander. :lol:

RagingLamb
06-19-2008, 06:43 PM
Hey, it looks like I missed one hell of a party.

things change. raging lamb has disappointed me. i have joined tennis warehouse. to hell with mtf if they are going to treat me this way. there is simply no cause to delete my posts or my threads. i dont bother attacking anyone. i only defend myself. its the others who draw the first blood.

some of the morons here have yet to figure out that my knowledge of the sport is far too advanced for me to engage in petty bullshit. i am all about the sport.

i am giving this place 3 days and after that i am out. like i said, i will be at tennis warehouse and tennis for you dot com ( i am hercules there with a same avatar).

enought is enough. i wont forgive these 2 mods for what they have done.

CD, why not keep your word and leave if you don't like this place?

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 06:44 PM
You don't want my opinion, if I were GM mod, I'd make RagingLamb look soft. :) But it's not a job I would want, nor would I be able to do because I have almost 100 people in GM on my ignore list :D Luckily for me, the forum I mainly moderate is full of intelligent respectful people who know how to disagree with each other without degrading into insults and generalizations :D

I want to hear your opinion as a member at least. Especially about primadonna statesments about Serbs. This is honest but if you don't answer I'll considere you agreed with her.

Please, don't aviod questions, especially these kind.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 06:44 PM
Maybe all of this can help RL to realize that all of us are noticing his/her good work but also his/her bad moves and maybe that will induce him becoming a better moderator.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 06:47 PM
He's already a good mod.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 06:48 PM
I completely agree with Clay Death. Pity I can't good rep him. There are some excitable people here who take their duties way too far. This board is not just about reporting match results and everyone agreeing with everyone else. Sameness is the fastest way to destroy a community. There was another thread I was enjoying started Blaze only to find it gone the next day. It was a perfectly reasonable thread and was not a duplicate of any other thread and although there were heated disagreements, it was still conducted in a civil manner. Some of these mods need to be relieved of their duties pronto :mad:

Thanks Clay Death for calling this person out. I wondered who it was who was deleting and closing everything down.


i could not have said that any better. thanks for stating it so articulately and thanks for siding with the truth.

english is like my 4th language so i am not exactly the best at saying what i want to say sometimes.

like i said before, that thread about "Djokovic vs Nadal" talking about their different games was deleted for no reason at all and some posters sent me PMs asking me how they can delete a perfectly normal thread that was generating much discussion and where no rules were being broken.

this kind of abuse is just endless and it does not serve MTF well.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 06:49 PM
for what its worth, i have found Deb to be fair and consistent who actually works to facilitate discussions, and not end them for no reason at all when its clear that no rules are being broken.Well thanks, and I certainly do not close threads in the forums I moderate, unless a rule has been broken, but that doesn't mean I think RL deserves this kind of barraging attack either.

I want to hear your opinion as a member at least. Especially about primadonna statesments about Serbs. This is honest but if you don't answer I'll considere you agreed with her.

Please, don't aviod questions, especially these kind.I don't agree with prima donna, I never agree with prima donna, our opinions couldn't be more different and he knows that. He is on my ignore list, I just don't care what he says. All I know is that I would delete something like that if it were posted in the Andy forum, but no one ever does that, we don't even insult other players, doesn't matter. I think any kind of personal insults, nationalistic insults/generalizations, all that stuff shouldn't be allowed. But it's a problem because people have gotten away with it for so long, now that RL has tried to change it, there is a huge backlash. It never should've been allowed and got way out of hand and based on a lot of what's said in this thread and the fact that so many people are incapable of separating people's opinions from them as people, I am not really optimistic that it can be fixed, no matter who moderates and how they do it.

on that note, i have a plane to catch, have fun everyone.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 06:52 PM
Perhaps I'm more sensitive to these kinds of assumptions/accusations because I have been on the receiving end of them multiple times. More than once has someone accused me of influencing other mods or trying to rule the board and get people banned, none of which was ever true and the assumptions/accusations were made solely because I have a big mouth and spoke up in the threads, not because I actually have any influence over the supermods whatsoever (because I don't). So perhaps I can sympathize with RL being accused of doing all of this stuff when it simply might not be true.

If that is the case, he/she were totally unjustified called upon. However I think he/she or every other moderator might utilize it to improve his/her judgments and actions as a moderator.

P.S RL, can you tell us are you he or she ? I've busted my keyboard typing he/she, his/her etc.;)

prima donna
06-19-2008, 06:56 PM
Hey, it looks like I missed one hell of a party.



CD, why not keep your word and leave if you don't like this place?
Agreed.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 07:00 PM
I want to hear your opinion as a member at least. Especially about primadonna statesments about Serbs. This is honest but if you don't answer I'll considere you agreed with her.

Please, don't aviod questions, especially these kind.

i am very upset about those remarks Manon. prima donna is the forum "lynch bitchess" and a racist pig. he/she tried to start a lynch mob against me for no reason at all.

those remarks about Serbs should be grounds for banishement. there is no need to make unfair and unjust racial or politcal remarks on a tennis forum.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 07:01 PM
Hey, it looks like I missed one hell of a party.



CD, why not keep your word and leave if you don't like this place?

How about you moderate objectively? I'd rather not get into this on here, but since you refuse to receive private messages, there's not much choice really.

If you're going to hand out warnings, be consistent. Is that too much to ask, or is calling someone a "moron" more severe than calling someone a "fuckhead"? Do tell.

RagingLamb
06-19-2008, 07:05 PM
How about you moderate objectively? I'd rather not get into this on here, but since you refuse to receive private messages, there's not much choice really.

If you're going to hand out warnings, be consistent. Is that too much to ask, or is calling someone a "moron" more severe than calling someone a "fuckhead"? Do tell.

You don't know if I gave him a warning or not. I don't really have to tell you. You need to worry about your own posts.

But there's a difference between a personal attack that was made for no reason, and one that was made out of self defense. I'm usually more lenient with the latter.

I hope this answers your question.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 07:05 PM
i am very upset about those remarks Manon. prima donna is the forum "lynch bitchess" and a racist pig. he/she tried to start a lynch mob against me for no reason at all.

those remarks about Serbs should be grounds for banishement. there is no need to make unfair and unjust racial or politcal remarks on a tennis forum.

There has been a lot of racial/political remarks lately and they passed unpunished, but I do believe that RL with her/his enthusiasm will put an end to them (just need some polishing on focusing on right things).

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 07:10 PM
i am very upset about those remarks Manon.

I am very upset as a Serb. And I'm waiting how will end those 'I'm kissing your *** now' Raginglamb made by primadonna.

I have to find out am I an animal, third-world man, horse....am I attacked by nazzi rasist who can say whatever she wants.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 07:11 PM
You don't know if I gave him a warning or not. I don't really have to tell you. You need to worry about your own posts.

But there's a difference between a personal attack that was made for no reason, and one that was made out of self defense. I'm usually more lenient with the latter.

I hope this answers your question.

Well, if you got "fuckhead" response to your "moron" statement I would have done the same as RL(and probably the same as Shotgun unfortunately). You were the one who started with insults.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 07:12 PM
I am very upset as a Serb. And I'm waiting how will end those 'I'm kissing your *** now' Raginglamb made by primadonna.

I have to find out am I an animal, third-world man, horse....am I attacked by nazzi rasist who can say whatever she wants.
You're taking my remarks totally out of context.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 07:16 PM
You don't know if I gave him a warning or not. I don't really have to tell you. You need to worry about your own posts.

But there's a difference between a personal attack that was made for no reason, and one that was made out of self defense. I'm usually more lenient with the latter.

I hope this answers your question.

Oh, I do know that you didn't warn him. And even if I didn't, you basically just admitted that he didn't receive a warning. Do try and be honest for a change.

So what you are saying is that if someone calls me, oh say, a "twit" I am then free to call them a "fuckhead", "****", "dickhead" etc? Yes, I can see how that's fair. You sure convinced me of your objectivity. Admittedly, I didn't notice that nuance in the rules. Care to point out where in the rules it says that you can hurl insults like "fuckhead" so long as it's in self defense? I shan't hold my breath.

If you give me a warning for an insult, you give him a warning for an insult. It is that simple. I should not have to explain the rules to a moderator, regardless of how utterly incompetent that moderator is. And no, that wasn't an insult, but merely my opinion of your job performance.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 07:18 PM
Well, if you got "fuckhead" response to your "moron" statement I would have done the same as RL(and probably the same as Shotgun unfortunately). You were the one who started with insults.

That's irrelevant. I accept my warning. I shouldn't have insulted him. My warning was justified so long as Shotgun received a warning, too.

Disagree? Point to me to the rule that distinguishes between my insult and Shotgun's insult. It says nothing about retaliation, particuarly given that my insult was weak by comparison. I'm begging you to point me towards the rule that justifies RL's actions.

DhammaTiger
06-19-2008, 07:19 PM
Has anyone actually read the rules regarding posting on GM?

:shrug:It's idealistic to expect anyone on mtf GM would ever think of doing such a sensible thing as reading rules before posting. Sue :hug: you and I know that being sensible and rational on GM is to be in the minority. It's really sad, when rules are posted very clearly and no one bothers abiding by them.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 07:22 PM
You're taking my remarks totally out of context.

Not now, it's too late. I can put several quotes (you can delete, I saved them) over here.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 07:23 PM
I am very upset as a Serb. And I'm waiting how will end those 'I'm kissing your *** now' Raginglamb made by primadonna.

I have to find out am I an animal, third-world man, horse....am I attacked by nazzi rasist who can say whatever she wants.


well you saw what Deb thinks of prima donna. that should give us some comfort at least.

some people just have an agenda. raging lamb, glenn myrni, and prima donna fall in that category.

then there are others who are so ate up with hate and resentment that they try to live out their pathetic existence on these furums hating as many people as possible. its pretty easy to see that as well.

like the moron who has "i hate djokovic" in her sig. that is a person simply ate up with hate. there is just no need for that much hate.

i am not exactly a fan of Djokovic but i have to admire his game and his guts to want to take on one of the greatest ever to pick a racquet.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 07:24 PM
Not now, it's too late. I can put several quotes (you can delete, I saved them) over here.
Just make sure you quote me in entirety.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 07:24 PM
That's irrelevant. I accept my warning. I shouldn't have insulted him. My warning was justified so long as Shotgun received a warning, too.

Disagree? Point to me to the rule that distinguishes between my insult and Shotgun's insult. It says nothing about retaliation, particuarly given that my insult was weak by comparison. I'm begging you to point me towards the rule that justifies RL's actions.

Yes I disagree, being a moderator means to moderate any disputes. Giving you a warning should have made you never to start insulting at personal basis again. Being defensive with insulting is not good too, but I doubt that there are many who can be so polite and turn around other chick.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 07:27 PM
like the moron who has "i hate djokovic" in her sig. that is a person simply ate up with hate. there is just no need for that much hate.


Have you been lurking in the Fed forum? Mellow Yellow never posts in GM anymore.

RagingLamb
06-19-2008, 07:27 PM
So what you are saying is that if someone calls me, oh say, a "twit" I am then free to call them a "fuckhead", "****", "dickhead" etc? Yes, I can see how that's fair. You sure convinced me of your objectivity. Admittedly, I didn't notice that nuance in the rules. Care to point out where in the rules it says that you can hurl insults like "fuckhead" so long as it's in self defense? I shan't hold my breath.

What he said to you wasn't o.k. And it was deleted.

-Evita-
06-19-2008, 07:28 PM
You don't know if I gave him a warning or not. I don't really have to tell you. You need to worry about your own posts.

I very rarely post in GM, I can't say if RL is a good moderator or not, I haven't noticed much moderating. But I do want to respond to this quote.

I think it's in the best interests of everyone that all members know how a forum is moderated, what posts should result in a warning and which shouldn't. The more information everyone has, the better. I can't see any reason why a mod wouldn't say if he warned another person or not, if for no other reason than to let other members know if the post in question (in this case, calling someone a 'fuckhead' in defense) is allowed or not. If the person wasn't warned and such behaviour is allowed then it should be clear to everyone (perhaps write it in the rules or at least answer the question if somebody asks). If it's not allowed then it should also be communicated to everyone so that there are no misunderstandings.

If a poster feels mistreated and the moderator won't answer related questions about the issue, well, :shrug: It doesn't encourage good atmosphere in the forum.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 07:29 PM
Yes I disagree, being a moderator means to moderate any disputes. Giving you a warning should have made you never to start insulting at personal basis again. Being defensive with insulting is not good too, but I doubt that there are many who can be so polite and turn around other chick.

What are you talking about? I got that warning and haven't insulted anyone since.

It is irrelevant whether they could turn the other cheek. It is as much against the rules as what I did. I reacted to something he said, which was moronic. I stand by that. If I insult him and get a warning and he insults me (with something far worse) and doesn't, that is inconsistent. Like I said, point me towards the rule that distinguishes between my insult and his.

I accept my warning. That was never my complaint. My complaint is that Shotgun did not also get a warning. RL is wrong. There are no ifs, ands, or buts. He was wrong. If you don't think so, show me the rule that justifies his action (or indeed lack of action).

Allez
06-19-2008, 07:30 PM
i could not have said that any better. thanks for stating it so articulately and thanks for siding with the truth.

english is like my 4th language so i am not exactly the best at saying what i want to say sometimes.

like i said before, that thread about "Djokovic vs Nadal" talking about their different games was deleted for no reason at all and some posters sent me PMs asking me how they can delete a perfectly normal thread that was generating much discussion and where no rules were being broken.

this kind of abuse is just endless and it does not serve MTF well.

Yeah, I took part in that thread as well. It was quite lively. You can't believe how frustrating it feels to have entire conversations disappear as though they never existed. It's very disrespectful, downright childish and completely unacceptable. I hope your thread and our legitimate concerns will be noted by the owners of this site. At the very least, abusive and partisan mods need to be suspended and repeat offenders relieved of their duties.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 07:30 PM
well you saw what Deb thinks of prima donna. that should give us some comfort at least.

some people just have an agenda. raging lamb, glenn myrni, and prima donna fall in that category.

then there are others who are so ate up with hate and resentment that they try to live out their pathetic existence on these furums hating as many people as possible. its pretty easy to see that as well.

like the moron who has "i hate djokovic" in her sig. that is a person simply ate up with hate. there is just no need for that much hate.

i am not exactly a fan of Djokovic but i have to admire his game and his guts to want to take on one of the greatest ever to pick a racquet.
I'm sure that Debbie is a good person, it's just that her views are so radical.

I can't fault her for erroneous thinking.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 07:31 PM
What he said to you wasn't o.k. And it was deleted.

He did not get a warning, though. I got a warning.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 07:35 PM
That's irrelevant. I accept my warning. I shouldn't have insulted him. My warning was justified so long as Shotgun received a warning, too.

Disagree? Point to me to the rule that distinguishes between my insult and Shotgun's insult. It says nothing about retaliation, particuarly given that my insult was weak by comparison. I'm begging you to point me towards the rule that justifies RL's actions.


check this out. how ridiculous is raging lamb with his little moderating authority. now this borders on sickness. i hope he is removed as soon as possible.

he has now given me another infraction for filing a complaint aginst him to the administrators and the owners. he is too much of a coward for closing his account for a personal message from me where we could have resolved this like normal people.

all i am doing is filing a complaint and urging management to take a good look at this moderator who is abusing his position for his own agenda and he goes and sends me another infraction.

what a pathetic coward. is there any end to your abuse of your little position little man?

but he has a personal agenda to push here so why would he be willing to resolve this abuse issue. there is only one way to deal with this. i will have to contact the owners of this forum

RagingLamb
06-19-2008, 07:36 PM
He did not get a warning, though. I got a warning.

He just got a less severe warning, that's all.

tennizen
06-19-2008, 07:38 PM
I very rarely post in GM, I can't say if RL is a good moderator or not, I haven't noticed much moderating. But I do want to respond to this quote.

I think it's in the best interests of everyone that all members know how a forum is moderated, what posts should result in a warning and which shouldn't. The more information everyone has, the better. I can't see any reason why a mod wouldn't say if he warned another person or not, if for no other reason than to let other members know if the post in question (in this case, calling someone a 'fuckhead' in defense) is allowed or not. If the person wasn't warned and such behaviour is allowed then it should be clear to everyone (perhaps write it in the rules or at least answer the question if somebody asks). If it's not allowed then it should also be communicated to everyone so that there are no misunderstandings.

If a poster feels mistreated and the moderator won't answer related questions about the issue, well, :shrug: It doesn't encourage good atmosphere in the forum.

I agree with this. If there is a change of moderators, there needs to be a revision of rules. A more detailed set of rules and if there is a warning, the rule corresponding to that warning can be stated.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 07:41 PM
And Raginglamb still ignore me...now it's not nessesary to tell 'I told you so'?

Allez
06-19-2008, 07:41 PM
Also if there are POSTS the mods find offensive and in contravention of the MTF guidelines, then remove those POSTS not 15 page threads. If you can't stand the heat get the hell out and let someone do the moderating. Why should everyone else who participated in the thread be penalised just because someone is too lazy to isolate and remove the offensive posts ?

RagingLamb
06-19-2008, 07:41 PM
And Raginglamb still ignore me...now it's not nessesary to tell 'I told you so'?

did you want something from me?

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 07:42 PM
What are you talking about? I got that warning and haven't insulted anyone since.

It is irrelevant whether they could turn the other cheek. It is as much against the rules as what I did. I reacted to something he said, which was moronic. I stand by that. If I insult him and get a warning and he insults me (with something far worse) and doesn't, that is inconsistent. Like I said, point me towards the rule that distinguishes between my insult and his.

I accept my warning. That was never my complaint. My complaint is that Shotgun did not also get a warning. RL is wrong. There are no ifs, ands, or buts. He was wrong. If you don't think so, show me the rule that justifies his action (or indeed lack of action).

Don't act lawyerish... There are no rule that you can't call another poster a moron either. The purpose of moderating is to prevent insults and your warning did the job. If Shotgun started insulting you and he did not get a warning you would have being correct, what he did is not good too, but 99% of the people would have responded to an insult with an insult, that doesn't mean that they will start insulting other posters some other time. I am sorry, I don't agree with lot of RL mistakes, but I don't consider this one as such.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 07:42 PM
He just got a less severe warning, that's all.

You're not being honest. I have given you several chances to come out and call me a liar and let it be known that you did warn Shotgun. If you had given him a warning you would have mentioned it. Rather than do that, you have engaged in literary gymnastics to justify not warning him.

We both know that you didn't warn him. All I ask is that you either remove my warning or now warn him. Like I said before, I accept my warning. That has never been the issue. I just want some consistency.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 07:43 PM
He just got a less severe warning, that's all.


i will need the name and number of the manager who is in charge of the moderators.

make sure you send it using PM system. i know you are too much of a coward and you have closed your PM system so i cannot send you a PM.

remember i can get the names of people i need to talk to anyway. i have all the evidence and all the truth i need. the burden of proof falls on your shoulders, not mine.

finally, there are enough posters who have already attested to your favoritism and your abuse of your position. check the posts again in this thread so you can clearly see that all you are doing is misrepresenting this forum and that you have become a liability.

you are an obstacle to civil discussions here.

RagingLamb
06-19-2008, 07:45 PM
he has now given me another infraction for filing a complaint aginst him to the administrators and the owners. he is too much of a coward for closing his account for a personal message from me where we could have resolved this like normal people.

I don't have a problem with you complaining about me. It's your right to do that.

The reason you got an infraction is because you posted your thread in the wrong section. You've been here long enough to know where threads go (one would hope). It said that in the message that was sent to you. Of course you conveniently left that out of your post.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 07:45 PM
Even Rafatards have finally (in a strange and bizarre way) learned how to behave.

King of the backhanded compliment

prima donna
06-19-2008, 07:46 PM
King of the backhanded compliment
;)

Clydey
06-19-2008, 07:47 PM
Don't act lawyerish... There are no rule that you can't call another poster a moron either. The purpose of moderating is to prevent insults and your warning did the job. If Shotgun started insulting you and he did not get a warning you would have being correct, what he did is not good too, but 99% of the people would have responded to an insult with an insult, that doesn't mean that they will start insulting other posters some other time. I am sorry, I don't agree with lot of RL mistakes, but I don't consider this one as such.

Don't act lawyerish? You are not allowed to insult other members. That's a fact. Calling someone a "moron" is an insult. Calling someone a "fuckhead" is an insult. There is no distinction between what I said and what he said. The fact that he retaliated is irrelevant.

I did not randomly call him a moron. I called him a moron because I felt (and still do) that what he said was idiotic. My insult is no different from his. Either both deserve a warning, or neither do. Frankly, opinions do not matter a jot here. It's about the rules. And they are quite clear. We both broke them. You're welcome to prove me wrong.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 07:49 PM
King of the backhanded compliment

You're so sweet. :kiss:

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 07:50 PM
:shrug:It's idealistic to expect anyone on mtf GM would ever think of doing such a sensible thing as reading rules before posting. Sue :hug: you and I know that being sensible and rational on GM is to be in the minority. It's really sad, when rules are posted very clearly and no one bothers abiding by them.

Not you in particular, but i am pretty sick of the elitist views of some people on GM that for some reason think they are "better" than other people because they "read and abide by the rules and facilitate honest discussion" or some other bullshit.

Or saying things in sarcastic tones such as the post above :rolleyes:

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 07:51 PM
Also if there are POSTS the mods find offensive and in contravention of the MTF guidelines, then remove those POSTS not 15 page threads. If you can't stand the heat get the hell out and let someone do the moderating. Why should everyone else who participated in the thread be penalised just because someone is too lazy to isolate and remove the offensive posts ?


its clear he is engaged in a personal agenda. thats the only reason he begged to be a moderator for so long.

he has lost all credibility and he never had much to begin with. it was all deception and lies. how can somebody, just 27, spend 24 hours a day pouring over posts just to see how many he can edit a day and how many legitimate threads he can end.

he is getting off on infractions he can hand out. what a joke.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 07:52 PM
did you want something from me?

As you can see some of primadonna's posts were raported. So, yes, I want something for you. Do you intend to react or you agreed with hers rasist statesmens? Since these posts are raported I find there's no need you to ask me 'did you want something from me'?

RagingLamb
06-19-2008, 07:54 PM
As you can see some of primadonna's posts were raported. So, yes, I want something for you. Do you intend to react or you agreed with hers rasist statesmens? Since these posts are raported I find there's no need you to ask me 'did you want something from me'?

O.k. I will look at those posts.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 07:55 PM
;)

You're so sweet. :kiss:

I can see you two love me now.

Oh joy.

arm
06-19-2008, 07:55 PM
I am very upset as a Serb. And I'm waiting how will end those 'I'm kissing your *** now' Raginglamb made by primadonna.

I have to find out am I an animal, third-world man, horse....am I attacked by nazzi rasist who can say whatever she wants.


Truth is I am not a Serb and I also feel upset.

I am just sick of people judging a player or a person based on the country where they were born.

Who are we? People who live in the XXI century or not?

Some people claim themselves to be classy and to always write what they think but they fail to realize that one can't only say what he/she thinks.

I can't stop people from thinking they are better than others because they were born in "Western countries". But I certainly DO NOT have to read that.

I was born in a western country and I certainly do not feel I am any better than any chinese boy or any serbian girl. And I do not judge them based on their country.

So if some people manage to tolerate that and eat the bullsh*t that these posters write, I feel sorry for them. But I do not tolerate that.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 07:57 PM
As you can see some of primadonna's posts were raported. So, yes, I want something for you. Do you intend to react or you agreed with hers rasist statesmens? Since these posts are raported I find there's no need you to ask me 'did you want something from me'?
There's nothing racist about what I posted, however I refuse to engage in self-censorship by applying a muzzle.

I've always been a confrontational poster on this board, that will never change, but to suggest that I should be disciplined is absurdity at its finest.

You're being hypersensitive on this topic, but most likely I'll receive a warning because people like you just love playing the role of the victim.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 07:58 PM
I don't have a problem with you complaining about me. It's your right to do that.

The reason you got an infraction is because you posted your thread in the wrong section. You've been here long enough to know where threads go (one would hope). It said that in the message that was sent to you. Of course you conveniently left that out of your post.

Oh, c'mon RL, this looks like a revenge from you (just when I thought that you are going up:o). You have to put your personal feelings aside if you are planing to be an impartial moderator. There is no other way.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 08:01 PM
There's nothing racist about what I posted, however I refuse to engage in self-censorship by applying a muzzle.

I've always been a confrontational poster on this board, that will never change, but to suggest that I should be disciplined is absurdity at its finest.

You're being hypersensitive on this topic, but most likely I'll receive a warning because people like you just love playing the role of the victim.

How many posters reacted? And they're all over-sensitive? No way Hose. You were insulted whole nation a few times.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 08:03 PM
Don't act lawyerish? You are not allowed to insult other members. That's a fact. Calling someone a "moron" is an insult. Calling someone a "fuckhead" is an insult. There is no distinction between what I said and what he said. The fact that he retaliated is irrelevant.

I did not randomly call him a moron. I called him a moron because I felt (and still do) that what he said was idiotic. My insult is no different from his. Either both deserve a warning, or neither do. Frankly, opinions do not matter a jot here. It's about the rules. And they are quite clear. We both broke them. You're welcome to prove me wrong.

Even in many laws the same crimes are not threated the same way - for ex. killing someone in a defense.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 08:07 PM
Wait, there's nothing racist about having a sense of humor. It was an ironic statement. I made no racially or ethnically motivated references, everything I said remained within the boundaries of decency.

Furthermore, my statements are fairly accurate as it pertains to the stagnant economy of Serbia, it was merely an observation that pieced together a number of factors and concluded, based on those very factors, that Djokovic is a product of his environment which makes him inclined to say these kind of comments.

This is really absurd, why should we pander to hypersensitive children on this board that can't take a joke ? This is not racism, which was clearly explained in my posts that followed. I understand that you've been pressured, but as a moderator, you can't simply allow yourself to become a puppet kept on a string by the Serbian community on this message board.

If you're giving me a warning for that, what will it be tomorrow ? For writing something about Islamic fascists ? I mean, this is really exaggerated and I have my doubts that even you would have considered this to be a display of racism had you not been pressured into doing so by a select group of members with an agenda.

I still have no personal conflict with RagingLamb; I still think he does a fair job as a moderator; I still would give him the upper-hand in this argument against Clay Death.

So basically my license to be a prick has been revoked. That's no fun.

Clydey
06-19-2008, 08:08 PM
Even in many laws the same crimes are not threated the same way - for ex. killing someone in a defense.

Yes, it's very similar :rolleyes:

Discussion over for me. It's clear RL will continue to do what he wants.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 08:09 PM
How many posters reacted? And they're all over-sensitive? No way Hose. You were insulted whole nation a few times.
Have you finished playing the ethnicity card ?

l_mac
06-19-2008, 08:10 PM
Yes, it's very similar :rolleyes:

Discussion over for me. It's clear RL will continue to do what he wants.

Did you start the argument, Clydey? Maybe that's why you got a warning? :shrug:

prima donna
06-19-2008, 08:13 PM
I understand that Serbian society drastically differs from Western civilization.

Wow, that's a really harsh statement.

HeretiC
06-19-2008, 08:16 PM
Yes, it's very similar :rolleyes:

Discussion over for me. It's clear RL will continue to do what he wants.

I hope not, and that he/she will utilize this thread to improve himself/herself.

P.S For god sake RL, are you male or female? Not that it does matter, it wil just help in shortening my posts. :p

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 08:17 PM
Have you finished playing the ethnicity card ?

They'll never stop playing the ethnic victim card.

habibko
06-19-2008, 08:23 PM
I haven't been here for long enough so I don't have much criticism to give to anyone, I'm neutral to both CD and RL and as such I say CD doesn't deserve a ban, and RL should stay a mod, besides that we can supposedly fix emerging problems as a civil respecting community :)

p.s.: I never imagined Glenn and Donna might have something in common, they always seemed to me as totally different personalities (one with short crisp statements and other with ivory speechs), someday there will be a TV show based on MTF thats for sure :rolleyes:

Clydey
06-19-2008, 08:24 PM
Did you start the argument, Clydey? Maybe that's why you got a warning? :shrug:

I have no problem with the warning. It was warranted, since I insulted him. That is, it was warranted from a technical standpoint. I see insults being hurled all the time and nothing happens.

Still, that didn't bother me. I was just looking for him to warn us both, since both me and Shotgun insulted each other. No big deal. At least RL now knows that he's being monitored. Quite a lot of people have been complaining.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:33 PM
p.s.: I never imagined Glenn and Donna might have something in common, they always seemed to me as totally different personalities (one with short crisp statements and other with ivory speechs), someday there will be a TV show based on MTF thats for sure :rolleyes:

They have two things in common:

1- They both can't stand Nadal
2- Their countries (Italy and Brazil) both have some shade of green in the flag

l_mac
06-19-2008, 08:34 PM
They have two things in common:

1- They both can't stand Nadal
2- Their countries (Italy and Brazil) both have some shade of green in the flag

3. They don't like Djokovic either, and get irritated by his General Messages fanbase.

They have #3 in common with me too. And you :hug:

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 08:38 PM
Prima and I also take very good care or our hair.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:43 PM
3. They don't like Djokovic either, and get irritated by his General Messages fanbase.

They have #3 in common with me too. And you :hug:

Dear dear, i think we have a fantastic 4 in PD, GM, and us two to combat the RFK, CD, Aoimeh, and Farhenclown.

Prima and I also take very good care or our hair.

I also do, but finding good hair care products for curly hair is always an adventure :o

prima donna
06-19-2008, 08:45 PM
3. They don't like Djokovic either, and get irritated by his General Messages fanbase.

They have #3 in common with me too. And you :hug:
My disdain towards Nadal is so much different from my utter dislike of Djokovic.

I just can't tolerate the fact that Nadal has consistently been able to improvise a relatively elementary strategy to defeat Roger, time and time again, what's even more irritating is that since he's actually started playing more aggressively my argument seems to be slightly out of touch with reality.

Djokovic makes me nauseous because he just doesn't belong anywhere in the vicinity of a tennis court in my opinion, that is in a capacity other than that of a security guard or one of those deranged streakers that make their presence known from time to time. (See Richard K. vs Malivai Washington Wimbledon Final)

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 08:49 PM
Claire is a better Fakerfighter than you are, Jonathan. Sorry. :p

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:49 PM
My disdain towards Nadal is so much different from my utter dislike of Djokovic.

I just can't tolerate the fact that Nadal has consistently been able to improvise a relatively elementary strategy to defeat Roger, time and time again, what's even more irritating is that since he's actually started playing more aggressively my argument seems to be slightly out of touch with reality.

Djokovic makes me nauseous because he just doesn't belong anywhere in the vicinity of a tennis court in my opinion, that is in a capacity other than that of a security guard or one of those deranged streakers that make their presence known from time to time. (See Richard K. vs Malivai Washington Wimbledon Final)

He obviously read MTF in 2005 to check out your posts to help him to add more dimensions to his game.

As for Djokovic, I wouldn't say all that. He has a good game, but other than that, his parents, his fans, his personality, everything is just :retard:

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:50 PM
Claire is a better Fakerfighter than you are, Jonathan. Sorry. :p

Alright then, take her :o

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 08:54 PM
Alright then, take her :o

You need to be more honest in the true art of despising Fakervic above everything. Above your liking of Nadal too. ;) :p

l_mac
06-19-2008, 08:54 PM
Claire is a better Fakerfighter than you are, Jonathan. Sorry. :p
elessar? She rarely fights against Djoko anymore because she wants everyone to like her. It's disappointing :sad:
He obviously read MTF in 2005 to check out your posts to help him to add more dimensions to his game.


:lol: The post that sticks out in my mind is the post RG 06 final. And only because prima donna conceded that the hug Rafa gave his father was nice :rolls: That was the only good thing he could find to say.

shotgun
06-19-2008, 08:54 PM
It's arguable that someone should get a warning for insulting someone out of the blue. Maybe that's a bit harsh if it's the first time, but it could be a good measure if it's going to prevent the poster from doing it again in the future. Like I said, it's arguable.

On the other hand, the concept of someone getting a warning for reacting to an insult is completely absurd. :shrug: The person who reacts to a personal attack is not the one that should be targetted by the mods, this person is not the one that started the whole incident in the first place, and not the one causing trouble. Of course, the most appropriate thing to do would be to shake off the insult and report the post, but asking for all members to be that cold-blooded is a bit too much IMO.

If not, maybe I should go postal and start insulting everyone, I would get warned but it would be an effective way to cause some posters (the ones that would insult me back) to get warned too. Wow, what a way to treat people equally! :rolleyes:

PS: the "his insult was worse than mine" argument tells a lot about who is bringing it up. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 08:58 PM
It's arguable that someone should get a warning for insulting someone out of the blue. Maybe that's a bit harsh if it's the first time, but it could be a good measure if it's going to prevent the poster from doing it again in the future. Like I said, it's arguable.

On the other hand, the concept of someone getting a warning for reacting to an insult is completely absurd. :shrug: The person who reacts to a personal attack is not the one that should be targetted by the mods, this person is not the one that started the whole incident in the first place, and not the one causing trouble. Of course, the most appropriate thing to do would be to shake off the insult and report the post, but asking for all members to be that cold-blooded is a bit too much IMO.

PS: the "his insult was worse than mine" argument tells a lot about who is bringing it up. :lol:

My daddy is taller than yours too. :( :p

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 08:59 PM
I see lots of valuable discussion in this thread in the past 2 hours :rolls:It's arguable that someone should get a warning for insulting someone out of the blue. Maybe that's a bit harsh if it's the first time, but it could be a good measure if it's going to prevent the poster from doing it again in the future. Like I said, it's arguable.

On the other hand, the concept of someone getting a warning for reacting to an insult is completely absurd. :shrug: The person who reacts to a personal attack is not the one that should be targetted by the mods, this person is not the one that started the whole incident in the first place, and not the one causing trouble. Of course, the most appropriate thing to do would be to shake off the insult and report the post, but asking for all members to be that cold-blooded is a bit too much IMO.

PS: the "his insult was worse than mine" argument tells a lot about who is bringing it up. :lol:This doesn't really fly with me. My parents raised me to take the high road - if someone goes after me, I'll defend myself or ignore it, but insulting someone back is nothing more than fighting fire with fire. Why should someone who is simply responding to an attack be treated any differently than someone who initiates it? It's still an attack. At the high school I went to, if you were involved in a physical fight, you got suspended, whether you started it or not - the rationale is that if you fight back, you're still fighting back. Maybe it's poor logic, but I have no problem whatsoever with people being warned for responding to an insult with another insult. Even if it's just a response, it's still a perpetuation of the attitude and rudeness that pervades GM so badly now. If you're not mature enough to ignore someone who insults you, why should you be spared from a warning too? You seem to be saying that it's normal that someone who feels insulted would always respond with an insult and I don't buy that at all. I think it's funny when people insult me on here, when I don't insult back, I think it makes the person doing it look even worse - why would I want to stoop to that kind of level?

Clydey
06-19-2008, 09:02 PM
It's arguable that someone should get a warning for insulting someone out of the blue. Maybe that's a bit harsh if it's the first time, but it could be a good measure if it's going to prevent the poster from doing it again in the future. Like I said, it's arguable.

On the other hand, the concept of someone getting a warning for reacting to an insult is completely absurd. :shrug: The person who reacts to a personal attack is not the one that should be targetted by the mods, this person is not the one that started the whole incident in the first place, and not the one causing trouble. Of course, the most appropriate thing to do would be to shake off the insult and report the post, but asking for all members to be that cold-blooded is a bit too much IMO.

If not, maybe I should go postal and start insulting everyone, I would get warned but it would be an effective way to cause some posters (the ones that would insult me back) to get warned too. Wow, what a way to treat people equally! :rolleyes:

PS: the "his insult was worse than mine" argument tells a lot about who is bringing it up. :lol:

It was, but that is absolutely not what I'm basing my argument on. It's irrelevant who's was worse. We both insulted each other and we both deserved warnings. You think that you're entitled to get away with it just because it was in retaliation? There is no distinction between the two in the rules.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 09:04 PM
I have the same problem with this thread that I did with the one which seemed to lead to RagingLamb becoming a GM mod - namely that the very people doing the majority of the complaining are the ones who constantly post the most provocative or insulting messages on MTF.

They are impossible to take seriously.

GlennMirnyi
06-19-2008, 09:04 PM
Deb, have you ever heard of...

"...and he who takes the sword shall die by the sword..." :p

:lol:

prima donna
06-19-2008, 09:04 PM
elessar? She rarely fights against Djoko anymore because she wants everyone to like her. It's disappointing :sad:


:lol: The post that sticks out in my mind is the post RG 06 final. And only because prima donna conceded that the hug Rafa gave his father was nice :rolls: That was the only good thing he could find to say.
Those were tough times, at least now it's become completely transparent that Roger hasn't a chance in hell of beating Nadal on the dirt.

Part of the disappointment was just feeling like Roger was the best player on all surfaces and Nadal somehow was an intruder that didn't deserve to be there, but now it's easier to accept given that he's a legitimate threat against Roger at Wimbledon and thoroughly dismissed him at Roland Garros.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 09:05 PM
You need to be more honest in the true art of despising Fakervic above everything. Above your liking of Nadal too. ;) :p

Sorry, mate. I only recent started to hate the Joker, but my love of Nadal will never be seconded :p

A simple look at the avatar i have will tell you all. Jess the darling made it waaaay back in september 06 and ive had it since Rome 07 :lol:

elessar? She rarely fights against Djoko anymore because she wants everyone to like her. It's disappointing :sad:


:lol: The post that sticks out in my mind is the post RG 06 final. And only because prima donna conceded that the hug Rafa gave his father was nice :rolls: That was the only good thing he could find to say.

I still think clay season 06 was the prime of MTF GM Rafa-Fed fights.

PS, Deb, i've been around here on MTF for over 2 years and GM has always been a shithole, and its not going to change. I believe we should embrace the fact that GM is what it is and we have such a unique atmosphere here instead of trying to cut and slash away any negativity and insults and try to turn GM into a think tank with polite discussions and tea at 4.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 09:07 PM
"...and he who takes the sword shall die by the sword..." :p

:lol:
Niccolò Machiavelli ;)

Deboogle!.
06-19-2008, 09:07 PM
Deb, have you ever heard of...

"...and he who takes the sword shall die by the sword..." :p

:lol:Yep :p Exactly right :p


PS, Deb, i've been around here on MTF for over 2 years and GM has always been a shithole, and its not going to change. I believe we should embrace the fact that GM is what it is and we have such a unique atmosphere here instead of trying to cut and slash away any negativity and insults and try to turn GM into a think tank with polite discussions and tea at 4.Of course. But come on now, no one is suggesting that :lol: but there's no need to insult each other PERSONALLY. sorry, it's not why I come to a message board. Is it fun to prod and argue about our favorite players sometimes? Sure, but is there a need to call someone an idiot for iat, or insult a nationality or a gender or a religion or a race or a whatever? Absolutely not. And trying to fix it is better late than never, even if it pisses some people off. And I think it'd be very sad and unfortunate to just accept the fact that the only way GM can be fun and interesting is for people to get insulted all the time; I personally don't think it has to be that way.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 09:08 PM
Those were tough times, at least now it's become completely transparent that Roger hasn't a chance in hell of beating Nadal on the dirt.

Part of the disappointment was just feeling like Roger was the best player on all surfaces and Nadal somehow was an intruder that didn't deserve to be there, but now it's easier to accept given that he's a legitimate threat against Roger at Wimbledon and thoroughly dismissed him at Roland Garros.

:lol: pd, as recently as Saturday you were saying Nadal has no business even being in a grass court final.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 09:10 PM
:lol: pd, as recently as Saturday you were saying Nadal has no business even being in a grass court final.
Emotions got the better of me, so what ?

I'm a traditionalist.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 09:11 PM
Yep :p Exactly right :p

Of course. But come on now, no one is suggesting that :lol: but there's no need to insult each other PERSONALLY. sorry, it's not why I come to a message board. Is it fun to prod and argue about our favorite players sometimes? Sure, but is there a need to call someone an idiot for iat, or insult a nationality or a gender or a religion or a race or a whatever? Absolutely not. And trying to fix it is better late than never, even if it pisses some people off. And I think it'd be very sad and unfortunate to just accept the fact that the only way GM can be fun and interesting is for people to get insulted all the time; I personally don't think it has to be that way.

Maybe i just see it a different way but i think that the spice and sauce of the fiery posters on GM in regards to insults and what not are what add style and substance, you know?

I used to not feel this way, when i first came on here, i couldn't really handle all the insults and shit and guys like PD and GM would, i'll admit it, make me want to :sad:. But then again, that was when i was 16 :lol:

Now at 18, i take pretty much everything said on here with a pound of salt and look to add fun to every discussion.

Gu's consistent belidgering of the fakertards, CD's incessant and droning threads about the Clay Monster, Aloimeh and Farenhajt's complete and total delusion with anything tennis related, i think it all contributes to the overall MTF community. :D