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Alex999
05-25-2008, 03:18 AM
Nadal and Federer play mind games

May 24, 2008 - 2:25PM

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal have turned to playing mind games ahead of the latest instalment of their epic French Open rivalry.

Federer, desperate for a first Roland Garros title to add to his 12-strong Grand Slam collection, believes he is the more positive of the two men while Nadal, bidding for a fourth historic trophy, says the world No.1's decision to bring in Jose Higueras as coach could backfire.

Nadal, with a perfect record of 21 wins in 21 matches here, holds a mesmeric stranglehold over the world No.1, winning eight of their nine claycourt meetings, including the last two finals here, and 10 of their 16 total career clashes.

That dominance has continued in 2008 with Nadal beating Federer in the finals of the Monte Carlo and Hamburg Masters.

But the Swiss superstar, who needs a Roland Garros title to become just the sixth man to clinch a career Grand Slam, insists his approach has not reaped its rewards.

"I know I can beat him. I'm the one playing aggressive. I'm the one trying hard. I'm the one taking the risks in those matches, so I think I have positive chances of winning here," said Federer who will face tricky American Sam Querrey in his opener.

"Two years ago I was more pessimistic, because I saw that Rafa was completely dominating the game on clay. But now I think I'm really close, and I believe I have the good tactics.

"I showed it in Monte Carlo and Hamburg. I just need to be broken one time less."

Frustratingly for Federer, he surrendered healthy leads in Monte Carlo and Hamburg where he was defending champion.

In an effort to iron out the problems, he has turned to Higueras who coached Michael Chang and Jim Courier to the title here.

However, Nadal, is not convinced by the merits of that decision.

"It's difficult to change the style of probably the best player in history in just three or four weeks," said Nadal who will be bidding to follow Bjorn Borg into the record books by winning four French Opens in a row.

"It's a long job. If I had a new coach it would be impossible for me to change my game in three weeks."

The 21-year-old Nadal will begin his campaign against a qualifier but could face world No.3 Novak Djokovic, the Australian Open and Rome Masters winner, in the semi-finals.

Compared to Federer, he has the toughest of the two draws with a potential quarter-final match-up with Argentina's David Nalbandian, against whom he has played two and lost two, also to consider.

But his record on clay is intimidating.

Since April 2005, the 21-year-old Spaniard has racked up 108 wins in 110 matches on the surface.

Djokovic, who starts his campaign against Germany's Denis Gremelmayr, is the man breathing down both Federer and Nadal's necks.

Beaten by Nadal in the semi-finals here in 2007 and quarter-finals in 2006, the Serbian third seed, who celebrated his 21st birthday on Thursday, is the most successful player on tour this year.

He won his first Grand Slam title in Melbourne dropping just one set in seven rounds and also clinched the Indian Wells Masters before his win on clay in Rome.

Djokovic also pushed Nadal all the way in a three-set semi-final in Hamburg.

"That semi-final was one of the best matches I have played, probably the best match I have ever played on clay. I am really pleased with my form ahead of the French Open, my fitness is good, I feel fresh and that bodes well for Roland Garros."

Djokovic is also closing in on Nadal's world No.2 position and the Spaniard believes it's just a matter of time before the Serbian is on top of the world.

"He has improved incredibly and is getting better," said Nadal. "He's going to be world No.1 within a few years."

The French Open gets underway on Sunday.

AFP

Clay Death
05-25-2008, 03:24 AM
Nadal and Federer play mind games

May 24, 2008 - 2:25PM
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Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal have turned to playing mind games ahead of the latest instalment of their epic French Open rivalry.

Federer, desperate for a first Roland Garros title to add to his 12-strong Grand Slam collection, believes he is the more positive of the two men while Nadal, bidding for a fourth historic trophy, says the world No.1's decision to bring in Jose Higueras as coach could backfire.

Nadal, with a perfect record of 21 wins in 21 matches here, holds a mesmeric stranglehold over the world No.1, winning eight of their nine claycourt meetings, including the last two finals here, and 10 of their 16 total career clashes.

That dominance has continued in 2008 with Nadal beating Federer in the finals of the Monte Carlo and Hamburg Masters.

But the Swiss superstar, who needs a Roland Garros title to become just the sixth man to clinch a career Grand Slam, insists his approach has not reaped its rewards.

"I know I can beat him. I'm the one playing aggressive. I'm the one trying hard. I'm the one taking the risks in those matches, so I think I have positive chances of winning here," said Federer who will face tricky American Sam Querrey in his opener.

"Two years ago I was more pessimistic, because I saw that Rafa was completely dominating the game on clay. But now I think I'm really close, and I believe I have the good tactics.

"I showed it in Monte Carlo and Hamburg. I just need to be broken one time less."

Frustratingly for Federer, he surrendered healthy leads in Monte Carlo and Hamburg where he was defending champion.

In an effort to iron out the problems, he has turned to Higueras who coached Michael Chang and Jim Courier to the title here.

However, Nadal, is not convinced by the merits of that decision.

"It's difficult to change the style of probably the best player in history in just three or four weeks," said Nadal who will be bidding to follow Bjorn Borg into the record books by winning four French Opens in a row.

"It's a long job. If I had a new coach it would be impossible for me to change my game in three weeks."

The 21-year-old Nadal will begin his campaign against a qualifier but could face world No.3 Novak Djokovic, the Australian Open and Rome Masters winner, in the semi-finals.

Compared to Federer, he has the toughest of the two draws with a potential quarter-final match-up with Argentina's David Nalbandian, against whom he has played two and lost two, also to consider.

But his record on clay is intimidating.

Since April 2005, the 21-year-old Spaniard has racked up 108 wins in 110 matches on the surface.

Djokovic, who starts his campaign against Germany's Denis Gremelmayr, is the man breathing down both Federer and Nadal's necks.

Beaten by Nadal in the semi-finals here in 2007 and quarter-finals in 2006, the Serbian third seed, who celebrated his 21st birthday on Thursday, is the most successful player on tour this year.

He won his first Grand Slam title in Melbourne dropping just one set in seven rounds and also clinched the Indian Wells Masters before his win on clay in Rome.

Djokovic also pushed Nadal all the way in a three-set semi-final in Hamburg.

"That semi-final was one of the best matches I have played, probably the best match I have ever played on clay. I am really pleased with my form ahead of the French Open, my fitness is good, I feel fresh and that bodes well for Roland Garros."

Djokovic is also closing in on Nadal's world No.2 position and the Spaniard believes it's just a matter of time before the Serbian is on top of the world.

"He has improved incredibly and is getting better," said Nadal. "He's going to be world No.1 within a few years."

The French Open gets underway on Sunday.

AFP


Caly Monster is down to earth and a simple man. he has no use for mind games.

Fed on the other hand is beyond desperate. he could not get him at the very height of his dominance so he now just hopes for a miracle.

Fee
05-25-2008, 03:26 AM
10 yard penalty for excessive and unnecessary quoting of the first post. ;)

JimmyV
05-25-2008, 03:27 AM
Fed has to beat clay legend Sam Querrey before he can even begin thinking about Nadal.

Sunset of Age
05-25-2008, 03:36 AM
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/CG_Brouwer/Rogi_Rafa/ROG110052406_1024x768.jpg

Mind Games, indeed. :lol:

Emmaloo
05-25-2008, 03:51 AM
Yes Roger's mind games are flirting and giggling.

Good tactic. It has worked well for the most part. Look at poor Roddick. He's totally smitten. Rafa must be completely immune.

Sunset of Age
05-25-2008, 03:59 AM
Rafa must be completely immune.

We'll have to see about that.
It rather looks like he knows how to play the Mind Game just as well. It's obvious that Roger IS NOT immune at all. :angel:

Rafa = Fed Killa
05-25-2008, 04:10 AM
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/CG_Brouwer/Rogi_Rafa/ROG110052406_1024x768.jpg

Mind Games, indeed. :lol:

Keep your friends close and enemies closer.

Come on Spartan King, man up and take RG & Wimby

Aloimeh
05-25-2008, 04:35 AM
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/CG_Brouwer/Rogi_Rafa/ROG110052406_1024x768.jpg

Mind Games, indeed. :lol:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/images/071010-crocodile-tears_big.jpg

MIMIC
05-25-2008, 04:58 AM
If they are, they kinda have to. Injecting fear or doubt into your opponent is pretty much the way to win.

Bibberz
05-25-2008, 06:38 AM
We're playing those mind games together
Pushing the barriers planting seeds
Playing the mind guerrilla
Chanting the Mantra peace on earth
We all been playing those mind games forever
Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil
Doing the mind guerrilla
Some call it magic the search for the grail

habibko
05-25-2008, 07:17 AM
We're playing those mind games together
Pushing the barriers planting seeds
Playing the mind guerrilla
Chanting the Mantra peace on earth
We all been playing those mind games forever
Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil
Doing the mind guerrilla
Some call it magic the search for the grail

:spit:

Allez
05-25-2008, 07:38 AM
"Two years ago I was more pessimistic, because I saw that Rafa was completely dominating the game on clay. But now I think I'm really close, and I believe I have the good tactics."

He's been saying this for ages and yet come RG, Nadal has shown him not to be all that close at all. I wish he could publicly concede that it is almost impossible for him to beat Nadal even if privately he believes otherwise. That would be the smart thing to do. Don't raise the stakes unless winning is a sure thing.

morningglory
05-25-2008, 08:43 AM
:lol:
Now even Nadal endorses Loco Djoko as future #1?

Fed :help:
You know what this means...

raven gypsy
05-25-2008, 01:21 PM
Yes Roger's mind games are flirting and giggling.

Good tactic. It has worked well for the most part. Look at poor Roddick. He's totally smitten. Rafa must be completely immune.


:D They get along.
Get over it people..:p

They do respect one another for obvious reasons.
I think that some folks are reading too much into these comments.

MacTheKnife
05-25-2008, 01:33 PM
I think what's interesting about these threads in the total lack of respect each of the players FANs have for the other player, while the players themselves seem to have an incredible amount of respect for each other. Most of us could learn something from them. Total respect for your opponent is a reflection of their greatness on both sides. These two stand alone at the top of tennis with a new challenger now pushing to break up the dynamic duo.
This should be one of them most interesting years in tennis in the last 5 to 10 years, with a changing of the guard hanging in the balance.

One additional thought to add. Wouldn't it be awesome if Rafa, Fed, Jok, and Pete were all 21 years old at the same time. How awesome would that have been !! Tennis has been that way all my life, it's a sport of talent, mental fortitude, and timing !!!

Roland9
05-25-2008, 01:40 PM
I think what's interesting about these threads in the total lack of respect each of the players FANs have for the other player, while the players themselves seem to have an incredible amount of respect for each other

Fans?.. They're not fans. The way I see it, most people here are just obsessed internet users with little interest in tennis or sport and more interest in trolling, insulting other people and participating in utterly irrelevant and retarded discussions.

Manon
05-25-2008, 03:43 PM
"Two years ago I was more pessimistic, because I saw that Rafa was completely dominating the game on clay. But now I think I'm really close, and I believe I have the good tactics."

He's been saying this for ages and yet come RG, Nadal has shown him not to be all that close at all. I wish he could publicly concede that it is almost impossible for him to beat Nadal even if privately he believes otherwise. That would be the smart thing to do. Don't raise the stakes unless winning is a sure thing.

Exellent post.

So, Nadal could tell the same thing about Wimbledon.

star
05-25-2008, 03:49 PM
I thought this was the interesting quote from the article:

"He has improved incredibly and is getting better," said Nadal. "He's going to be world No.1 within a few years."

It is a little annoying to me that Nadal is now being deferential not only to Federer, but also to Djokovic. I know, it's just the way Nadal is and it isn't going to change, but I'd like him to be gunning for the number one spot.

tangerine_dream
05-25-2008, 04:19 PM
It is a little annoying to me that Nadal is now being deferential not only to Federer, but also to Djokovic. I know, it's just the way Nadal is and it isn't going to change, but I'd like him to be gunning for the number one spot.
Roger may talk himself up vs Rafa but these photos show that he's actually quite deferential to Rafa. He looks quite submissive here. ;)

star
05-25-2008, 04:22 PM
Roger may talk himself up vs Rafa but these photos show that he's actually quite deferential to Rafa. He looks quite submissive here. ;)

Or he just doesn't want to look Nadal in the eye. :)

Castafiore
05-25-2008, 05:02 PM
"He has improved incredibly and is getting better," said Nadal. "He's going to be world No.1 within a few years."

It is a little annoying to me that Nadal is now being deferential not only to Federer, but also to Djokovic. I know, it's just the way Nadal is and it isn't going to change, but I'd like him to be gunning for the number one spot.
Saying "He's going to be world No.1 within a few years." doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility of himself also being the No.1 at some point, no?

Metis
05-25-2008, 05:07 PM
I thought this was the interesting quote from the article:

"He has improved incredibly and is getting better," said Nadal. "He's going to be world No.1 within a few years."

It is a little annoying to me that Nadal is now being deferential not only to Federer, but also to Djokovic. I know, it's just the way Nadal is and it isn't going to change, but I'd like him to be gunning for the number one spot.


Well Nadal said "within a few years" not "soon". ;) I don't think he's being deferential, just realistic and I doubt he's less hungry for the No1 ranking because he talks that way.

alfonsojose
05-25-2008, 05:19 PM
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/CG_Brouwer/Rogi_Rafa/ROG110052406_1024x768.jpg

Mind Games, indeed. :lol:

Federer's left arm :o At least Mirka enjoys it, "the fister arm" :spit: :devil:

Corey Feldman
05-25-2008, 05:19 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

wake me up when he wins his 4th title and i can watch Queens club

geez