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Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

henree
06-30-2004, 06:52 AM
1 (1) 4860 Federer, Roger
2 (2) 4495 Roddick, Andy
3 (3) 3770 Coria, Guillermo
4 (7) 2610 Moya, Carlos
5 (6) 2505 Henman, Tim
6 (4) 2475 Nalbandian, David
7 (5) 2435 Ferrero, Juan Carlos
8 (8) 2190 Schuettler, Rainer
9 (10) 1990 Hewitt, Lleyton
10 (9) 1905 Agassi, Andre
If Fed looses to Hewitt, then Andy will take over the lead, in the Year rankings, not champions race. How many points do you gain from the quarters until the final? How can Fed maintain his ranking at #1?

RoddickBabe10
06-30-2004, 06:57 AM
Oh Lord, I haven't been a tennis fan for a long time. So can someone explain to me what's the difeerence between the Year rankings and the Champions race? lol thanks

WyveN
06-30-2004, 06:58 AM
If Federer loses to Hewitt then Andy will have to win Wimbledon to be #1 I think

Lalitha
06-30-2004, 07:06 AM
I think this is a very complicated calculation that only ATP knows.

At this years AO, before playing the Semi's against Ferrero, Federer sarcastically said that his 'math is good enough' to calculate that he would be no.1 by defeating Ferrero.

akin
06-30-2004, 07:13 AM
I dont know how to calculate it but it would be more fun...that's for sure....I would like to have a tight race - more fun for everybody!! C'mon Lleyton!! :)

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 08:59 AM
Oh Lord, I haven't been a tennis fan for a long time. So can someone explain to me what's the difeerence between the Year rankings and the Champions race? lol thanks

This is EXACTLY what the Champions Race is designed NOT to do.

Deboogle!.
06-30-2004, 12:48 PM
I think by this point, Roger would have to lose today to Hewitt and Andy would have to win the title to be #1. Since neither seems REALLY likely, I think Fed will stay right where he is :)

Ballbuster
06-30-2004, 02:22 PM
Oh Lord, I haven't been a tennis fan for a long time. So can someone explain to me what's the difeerence between the Year rankings and the Champions race? lol thanks

The Champions Race is only from January to now, the entry rankings go back 12 months

ERohr
06-30-2004, 03:31 PM
If Federer loses today, Roddick neeeds to get to the final to be #1:

1 (1) 4860 + 0 = 4860 Federer, Roger
2 (2) 4495 + 450 = 4945 Roddick, Andy

Obs.: 450 = 700 (final points) - 250 (quarterfinal points)

jtipson
06-30-2004, 03:36 PM
1 (1) 4860 Federer, Roger
2 (2) 4495 Roddick, Andy
3 (3) 3770 Coria, Guillermo
4 (7) 2610 Moya, Carlos
5 (6) 2505 Henman, Tim
6 (4) 2475 Nalbandian, David
7 (5) 2435 Ferrero, Juan Carlos
8 (8) 2190 Schuettler, Rainer
9 (10) 1990 Hewitt, Lleyton
10 (9) 1905 Agassi, Andre
If Fed looses to Hewitt, then Andy will take over the lead, in the Year rankings, not champions race. How many points do you gain from the quarters until the final? How can Fed maintain his ranking at #1?

Note: you are quoting the twelve-month rankings, called the "Entry" rankings by the ATP (and in my opinion, these are the real rankings). The "Race" rankings are the year to date rankings (starting at the beginning of the season).

Race: Federer will be number one in the race after Wimbledon; Roddick is not close enough to overtake him.

Entry: Federer will be number one after Wimbledon if he gets to the final, even if Roddick beats him. If he loses in the semi but Roddick fails to win the title he is still top, and also if he loses today as long as Roddick fails to get to the final.

Put more simply, Roddick will be number one if he wins and Federer is not in the final, or if he is runner-up and Federer loses to Hewitt. Otherwise Roger stays put.

Still sounds complicated enough ;)

crouching
06-30-2004, 03:58 PM
Points before this year's Wimbledon

Federer: 5610
Roddick: 4695


Points as of the quarterfinals right now,

Federer: 5610 - 1000 (last year W) + 250 (this year QF) = 4860

Roddick: 4695 - 450 (last year SF) + 250 (this year QF) = 4495

(Don't confuse the 4860 and 4495 figures with the ranking points at the start of the tournament)

QF loss,
Federer: 4860
Roddick: 4495

SF loss,
Federer: 5060
Roddick: 4695

Final loss,
Federer: 5310
Roddick: 4945

Title-winner,
Federer: 5610
Roddick: 5245

Therefore, if Federer loses today to Hewitt in the quarters, Roddick must make the final to be world No. 1.

If Federer loses in the semi, Roddick must win the title to be No. 1

If Federer makes the final, he remains world No. 1 regardless of who wins the title.

nitsansh
06-30-2004, 10:14 PM
After Fedrerer and Roddick both through to SF, the situation is simple: Roddick will be #1 if he wins Wimby and Federer lose in SF, otherwise Fed stays #1 .

MissPovaFan
06-30-2004, 10:33 PM
Cool! Go Roddick!

Nymeria
06-30-2004, 11:14 PM
After Fedrerer and Roddick both through to SF, the situation is simple: Roddick will be #1 if he wins Wimby and Federer lose in SF, otherwise Fed stays #1 .

Good to hear that, and the next months Roddick has more points to defend then Roger I guess :)

jtipson
06-30-2004, 11:18 PM
Good to hear that, and the next months Roddick has more points to defend then Roger I guess :)

Yes, about Andy has about 4 times the amount of points Roger has to defend to the end of the USO.

MissPovaFan
06-30-2004, 11:19 PM
Good to hear that, and the next months Roddick has more points to defend then Roger I guess :)

ah yes I forgot about that as Roddick obviously went on a legendary run after the US Open - winning 2 Masters as well. One player who is also defending lots of points though is Juan Carlos Ferrero ad I fear for him if he doesnt come to form soon.

naiwen
06-30-2004, 11:20 PM
Good to hear that, and the next months Roddick has more points to defend then Roger I guess :)

Roddick has to defend two TMS titles and US Open, total 2000 points, till early Sep.

nitsansh
07-01-2004, 12:23 AM
and also 200 pts at Indianapolis.

Federer has 225 pts in one of the MS, 150 at US Open, 120 at Gstaad and a few in the other MS.

nitsansh
07-01-2004, 12:28 AM
1. Roger Federer SUI 5610

Date Tourney name Level Points Seed Surface Round Entry
2004-05-24 French Open GS 75 1 Clay 3
2004-05-10 Hamburg MS 500 1 Clay W
2004-05-03 Rome MS 35 1 Clay 2
2004-04-19 Monte Carlo MS 0 0 Clay DNP
2004-03-22 Miami MS 35 1 Hard 3
2004-03-08 Indian Wells MS 500 1 Hard W
2004-01-19 Melbourne GS 1000 2 Hard W
2003-11-10 Masters Cup MC 750 3 Hard W
2003-10-27 Paris MS 125 3 Carpet QF
2003-10-13 Madrid MS 225 3 Hard SF
2003-08-25 US Open GS 150 2 Hard R16
2003-08-11 Cincinnati MS 35 3 Hard 2
2003-08-04 Montreal MS 225 3 Hard SF
2003-06-23 Wimbledon GS 1000 4 Grass W
2004-03-01 Dubai CS 300 1 Hard W
2003-10-06 Vienna CS 250 1 Hard W
2004-06-07 Halle WS 225 1 Grass W
2003-07-07 Gstaad WS 120 1 Clay F
2004-02-16 Rotterdam CS 60 1 Hard QF


2. Andy Roddick USA 4695

Date Tourney name Level Points Seed Surface Round Entry
2004-05-24 French Open GS 35 2 Clay 2
2004-05-10 Hamburg MS 0 0 Clay DNP
2004-05-03 Rome MS 5 2 Clay 1
2004-04-19 Monte Carlo MS 0 0 Clay DNP
2004-03-22 Miami MS 500 2 Hard W
2004-03-08 Indian Wells MS 125 3 Hard QF
2004-01-19 Melbourne GS 250 1 Hard QF
2003-11-10 Masters Cup MC 200 1 Hard SF
2003-10-27 Paris MS 225 2 Carpet SF
2003-10-13 Madrid MS 75 2 Hard 3
2003-08-25 US Open GS 1000 4 Hard W
2003-08-11 Cincinnati MS 500 7 Hard W
2003-08-04 Montreal MS 500 6 Hard W
2003-06-23 Wimbledon GS 450 5 Grass SF
2004-06-07 Queens Club WS 225 1 Grass W
2003-07-21 Indianapolis WS 200 1 Hard W
2004-02-09 San Jose WS 175 1 Hard W
2004-04-12 Houston WS 120 1 Clay F
2003-10-20 Basel WS 110 1 Hard SF